Some unique good good songs

April 1, 2017

Multiple version songsIf you think there is a glaring mistake in the title of this post, you have to blame Mumbaikar8 for it. She only gave me the idea for this post. Don’t ask me what is her good name, please. If she is not disclosing it, I am also not disclosing it. As you know she is living in the US, but I am living in India only. Therefore, when she is writing mail to me, I am sleeping; and when I am writing to her, she is sleeping. I have reverted back to her many times. But, some things one can talk clear clear only face to face. But, she will be coming to India during vacations only. She cannot prepone her visit for very small small things. However, she suggested some very good good songs for the post. Therefore, I had to do the needful and I am posting it now. The date April 1 is purely coincidental. I hope Mumbaikar8 understands. Little little things often cause big big misunderstandings.

Dear readers, you are still not understanding fully fully? Don’t worry. Once my co-brother’s cousin sister’s son was visiting me to discuss his career plans. He had passed out from the IIT with flying colours. I asked him some very ordinary ordinary things, but he could understand only slowly slowly. You are finding it awkward? You are foreign-returned or what? Just start thinking in Hindi or your mother tongue, everything will be clear clear.

Enough of this tomfoolery. Some English usages, which are unique to Indians, might flummox the foreigners, but our bright kids would continue to pass out from college with flying colours, after which many of them would have arranged marriages, though now a large number is having love-marriage. And, in their professional lives, they would continue to prepone meetings and revert back with replies. Our VVIPs would continue to airdash to disaster sites. These usages are so pervasive that these would be, in due course, accepted as a variant of English.

Such usages have their origin in our native languages and cultural practices. Thus, it makes sense to ask, What is your good name please (आपका शुभनाम क्या है?), because, like Bengalis, most of us have a daak naam and a bhaalo naam. However, one ubiquitous usage in our languages, i.e. repeating words, does not lend itself to such adaptation. Hum Saath Saath Hain, or Kuchh Kuchh Hota Hai or Chhoti Chhoti Baatein are very common in Hindi (हम साथ साथ हैं; कुछ कुछ होता है; छोटी छोटी बातें etc), and, I am sure, it must be in other Indian languages too. But, We Are Together Together, Something Something Happens, or Small Small Things would evoke laughter. Repeat words illustrate the limits of such linguistic/cultural transplants.

You would think there can be hardly anything funny in the use of repeat words in Hindi. But the classic comedy film Chupke Chupke (1975) creates great humour in this scene around repeat words. Om Prakash is already at the end of his tether with his ‘driver’ Dharmendra’s fetish for shudh Hindi, when he notices the latter hiding behind the curtains while Sharmila Tagore is singing. Listen to this dialogue between an exasperated Om Prakash, and the impossibly irritating driver:

Om Prakash (to Dharmendra): तुम वहां खड़े खड़े क्या कर रहे हो?
Dharmendra: खड़ा खड़ा कुछ नहीं कर रहा हूं, साहेब.  आके आके खड़ा हुआ हूं.
Om Prakash: अन्दर आओ, ऐ इधर आ.  ये आके आके क्या होता है? दो बार आके आके का क्या मतलब?
Dharmendra: साहेब, जब आपने खड़े खड़े का दो बार प्रयोग किया तो हमें बहुत अच्छा लगा.  तो हमने उसी छ्न्द में आके आके बोल कर कविता का रस ले लिया.

Scene from Chupke Chupke (01.17 to 2.00)

Since repeat words are used so commonly, with a little probe, one would find them in all Parts of Speech. Hindi grammar has eight PoS, English has the same eight, or nine including the Article. Let me explore the songs of some of the main PoS.

Noun (संज्ञा):

Narad Muni always announced his arrival by repeating Narayan, Narayan. In our Bhakti tradition, great importance was given to chanting of names a hundred or a thousand times. No wonder Manna Dey chants Ram Krishna Hari a number of times in the song Kaal ka pahiya ghoome bhaiya.

1. Saanware Saanware kaahe mose karo jora jori by Lata Mangeshkar from Anuradha (1960), lyrics Shailendra, music Pt. Ravi Shankar

Here is a song where Saanware Saanware, though an adjective (for black), is used as a proper noun for Lord Krishna.

As is evident, common nouns are far more than proper nouns. Daane daane pe likha hai khanewale ka naam; Patta patta boota boota haal hamara jaane hai (this has two sets of repeat words) – our readers like KS Bhatiaji, Arvinder Sharmaji and Hans would surely flood us with their discoveries. Here is a very nice Rafi song not yet posted on SoY.

2. Hai kali kali ke lab par tere husn ka fasana by Rafi from Lala Rukh (1958), lyrics Kaifi Azmi, music Khayam

3. Piya piya piya mera jiya pukaare by Kishore Kumar & Asha Bhosle from Baap Re Baap (1955), lyrics Jan NIsar Akhtar, music OP Nayyar

My post on the best songs of Asha Bhosle by OP Nayyar included Piya piya na laage mora jiya (Phagun). OP Nayyar adds a third ‘Piya’ to great effect in this song.

Repeat pronouns are infinitely more challenging than nouns to find. Hum kaale hain to kya hua dilwaale hain/ Hum tere tere tere chahnewale hain has figured earlier on SoY. KS Bhatia recently posted an interesting song, Jahan tu tu tu wahan main main mainby Mukesh from the film Mud Mud Ke Na Dekh (1960), composed by Hansraj Bahal. There must be more; I am leaving it for our intrepid readers to discover them, and moving on to adjectives.

Adjective (विशेषण):

We are a society of putting emphasis, thus adjectives present the difficulty of choosing from the plenty available.

4. Do naina tumhare pyare pyare by Hemant Kumar and Geeta Dutt from Shrimatiji (1952), lyrics Raja Mehdi Ali Khan, music S Mohinder

The eyes are not only lovely, but they are pyare pyare in this song.

We must be one of the most colour-conscious societies in the world. In the matrimonials everyone desires absolutely fair, pure gori or white-skinned, besides convent-educated, professional, smart as well as homely girl. We must be the only country where celebrities sell men’s fairness cream. Thus, we have Gore gore, O baanke chore. Its converse is a desirable property for zulfein or baadal.

5. Kaare kaare baadra ja re ja re baadra by Lata Mangeshkar from Bhabhi (1957), lyrics Rajendra Krishna, music Chitragupt

There are more songs on Kaale kale baadal, such as, Ho, kaale kaale baadal chhaye piya by Mukesh and Shamshad Begum from Apni Chhaya (1950). Kaali kaali is also a frequently used adjective for ‘night’ or ‘eyes’: Kaali kaali raat re dil bada sataye (Lata Mangeshkar; Sainya 1951; Sajjad Husain).

6. Laal laal gaal, jaan ke hain laagu by Rafi from Mr. X (1957), lyrics Majrooh Sultanpuri, music N Datta

But the colour is also an adjective for emphasis without any negative connotation. My post on the best Asha Bhosle songs by Shankar-Jaikishan gave a prominent place to Laali laali doliya mein laali re dulhaniya. Here is a fun song with repeat of red colour.

7. Laal laal othwa se barse lalaiya ho ki ras chuwela by Talat Mahmoood & Lata Mangeshkar from Laagi Naahi Chhote Ram (1963), lyrics Majrooh Sultanpuri, music Chitragupta

The lady with rosy cheeks must have red lips. Here is a fabulous song from a Bhojpuri film, composed by the great Chitragupta.

8. Oonchi oonchi duniya ki deewarein sainya tod ke main ayi re by Lata Mangeshkar from Nagin (1954), lyrics Rajendra Krishna, music Hemant Kumar

Let me conclude the Adjective with a couple of songs with non-colour emphasis. Each of the dozen songs of Nagin (1954) was a smashing hit. This one is fast-paced in which the girl breaks free from high high walls of societal barrier.

9. Jhuki jhuki si nazar beqaraar hai ke nahi by Jagjit Singh from Arth (1983), lyrics Kaifi Azmi, muisc Jagjit Singh

English has only downcast eyes, but in Hindi Ye jhuke jhuke naina, ye lat bal khaati cast a seductive spell – To dil kyun na mera deewana ho tera. The downcast eyes at times also create a sombre mood, but in that case the nazar would be jhuki jhuki.  This also helps conceal love inside, though दबा दबा  सा सही.

Verb (क्रिया):

Looking for repeat verbs is like Ali Baba getting dazzled by the riches in the cave which opens on Khul ja sim sim. Chalte chalte mere ye geet yaad rakhna; Rote rote guzar gayi raat re; Chale ja chale ja chale ja jahan pyar mile; Jap jap jap jap jap re – the list is endless.

10. Chal chal re naujawan, chalo sang chale hum by Ashok Kumar & Leela Chitnis from Bandhan (1940), lyrics Pradeep, music Ramchandra Pal

Here is a vintage song which became a rallying song in the freedom movement.

11. Chalte chalte yun hi koi mila gaya tha by Lata Mangehskar from Pakeezah (1972), lyrics Kaifi Azmi, music Ghulam Mohammad

While I was walking someone met me’ is bland. But what if chalte chalte I happen to meet someone dear?

12. Ja ja ja mere bachpan kahin ja ke chhup nadaan by Lata Mangeshkar from Junglee (1961), lyrics Shailendra, music Shakar-Jaikishan

Shankar-Jaikishan used Ja (Go) thrice in Ja ja re ja baalamwa, but it was interspersed with a re. In Junglee, when the situation demanded, they removed the re as the chirpy Sara Bano shook off her innocence.

Adverb (क्रिया-विशेषण)

Adverb is a force-multiplier for a verb or an adjective. As per Newton’s laws of motion, the force can act in both ways – along the motion or against the motion. When the heart is beating fast in love, expecting the arrival of a dear one, it needs to be calmed down.

13. Dheere dheere machal ae dil-e-beqaraar by Lata Mangeshkar from Anupama (1966), lyrics Kaifi Azmi, music Hemant Kumar

14. Dheere dheere se meri zindagi mein aana, dheere dheere se mere dil ko churana by Kumar Sanu & Anuradha Paudwal from Aashiqui (1990), lyrics Rani Malik, music Nadeem Shravan

There was a famous Don who didn’t like two kinds of women: those who made themselves available too soon and those who came too late. The romance is enhanced when the beloved approaches you धीरे धीरे.

15. Sarakati jaaye hai rukh se naqaab aahista aahistaa by Jagjit Singh (non-film ghazal 1979), lyrics Ameer Minai, music Jagjit Singh

Same is the case with the alluring veil. Though you want the veil to come off, it is beautiful slipping off आहिस्ता आहिस्ता, because that gives the feeling of the moon (lovely face) coming out आहिस्ता आहिस्ता.

16. Uthegi tumhari nazar dheere by Lata Mangeshkar from Ek Raaz (1963), lyrics Majrooh Sultanpuri

If you thought dheere dheere had to be slow-paced, one of the most talented music directors, Chitragupta, composes this fast-paced dance song, picturised on an unknown starlet, Jeevankala. Chitragupta maintains his sugary-syrup sweetness in Lata Mangeshkar’s voice.

17. Do dil mil rahe hain magar chupke chupke by Kumar Sanu from Pardes (1997), lyrics Anand Bakhshi, music Nadeem-Shravan

I started with a clipping from Chupke Chupke.  Let me end with a beautiful song where two hearts meet chupke chupke.  Shahrukh Khan is an emissary for his benefactor’s son, but if he sings so beautifully with the guitar in his hand, no wonder Mahima Chaudhary falls for him instead.

P.S.  No man’s land

After I had finished the post, I realised there are a number of repeat words that lie in a no man’s land. Which parts of speech are balle balle or anh unhu anh unhu of bhangra. I used to think Lara lappa lara lappa are similar nonsensical words, but later I came to know that these are proper words in Punjabi. But what about Adi dappa adi dappa lai rakhda, or Dum dum diga diga? And Shammi Kapoor’s exultation Ho lalla ho lalla ho lalla ho lalla, after he had declared himself Budtammez kaho ya kaho janwar? You might say nonsensical words have to be kept out of this discussion. But in this song, Chitragupt obliterates the distinction between sense and nonsense:

18. Daga daga vai vai vai ho gayi tumse ulfat ho gayi by Lata Mangeshkar from Kali Topi Laal Rumal (1959), lyrics Majrooh Sultanpuri, music Chitragupta

We all know Daga means ‘betrayal’ as in Mohe daga daike sautan ghar jana or Dekhoji dekho mera dil le ke daga nahi dena. But can anyone please tell me what on earth is Daga daga?  And Chitragupt compounds it with vai vai vai.

Now I have started believing that vai vai vai must be some word in a language which Chitragupta understood, because he uses the word again in this song:

19.  Tujhko main jan gayi maan ya na maan vai vai by Lata Mangeshkar & Rafi from Zabak (1961), lyrics Prem Dhavan, music Chitragupt

If you are strong in counting, you can try – in the two songs together, Chitragupt uses ‘vai’ 83 times.

I have covered all the major Parts of Speech. If you enjoyed the post, thanks are due mainly to Mumbaikar8 whose idea it was.

{ 294 comments… read them below or add one }

1 gaddeswarup April 1, 2017 at 6:46 am
2 AK April 1, 2017 at 7:53 am

Interesting srticle. Thanks. The academic types canot spare even this one.

3 Ashok M Vaishnav April 1, 2017 at 7:57 am

Wah Wah ! Thoroughly enjoyable and informative too….

4 Naresh P. Mankad April 1, 2017 at 9:01 am

To use the popular TV channels cliché, Double Dhamaka: humorous write-up and great hit songs. We must thank you both, AKji for the article and Mumbaikar8 for the idea.

5 Naresh P. Mankad April 1, 2017 at 9:21 am

I do not want to mar the effect of this post by seriously discussing echo word etc. Our languages use them for “special effects,” something that Babubhai Mistry did in old movies, so they are integral part of our languages. And don’t worry overly about Chitragupt’s ‘vai vai’ words. They are there for what we call in Gujarati “shobha ma abhivruddhi”, to increase the embellishment. 🙂

6 D P Rangan April 1, 2017 at 9:34 am

One of the weirdest post to come from the pen of our great AK. There is no end to his lively imagination and his sheer ability to make mountain out of a molehill is astounding to say the least. With my toota foota Hindi, I am nowhere in this field to discuss any song. Hurra Hurra to him.
I can think of one song from Madhumadhi sung by the great Rafi, picturising a completely besotted Johnny Walker.

Jungal mein mor nacha, Music Salil Chodhury, lyrics Shailendra

There are lot of repeat words in the song. It is one of the best songs to be sung portraying the drunkuness of an individual in a devil may care way.

7 P. S. Seshadri April 1, 2017 at 10:47 am

Returning here after some time and found some jewels. A command performance! I am sure other songs will be found where words are repeated for effect

8 AK April 1, 2017 at 11:21 am

I am happy you enjoyed it. The link you sent seems to have been been removed by YT.

Naresh Mankad,
I could never imagine that there would be a serious academic article on the subject. But Gaddeswarupji often comes up with amazing links. I was only familar with Hindi. It was only my hunch that other Indian languages too use repeat words quite commonly.

Are you sure ‘vai vai’ are meaningless words, and used only as embellishments?

DP Rangan,
I take it that you liked my post. Thanks a lot. Jangal mein mor naacha does have some repeat words, but are down below. To qualify for this post, repeat words should be upfront and a prominent feature of the song.

9 AK April 1, 2017 at 11:23 am

Mr Sheshadri,
Thanks a lot for your appreciation. Which songs with repeat words do you remember?

10 Mahesh April 1, 2017 at 1:37 pm
11 Subodh Agrawal April 1, 2017 at 2:01 pm

Very very good AK. I guess ‘na’ in ‘ Na na karte pyar tumhi se kar baithe’ would qualify as interjection – one more grammatical category.

12 AK April 1, 2017 at 2:28 pm

Jap jap jap jap jap is repeat words with vengeance! Good one.

Thanks a lot. Yes, the songs perfectly fits.

13 SSW April 1, 2017 at 3:07 pm

AK maybe South Asian languages are repetitive because of our innate musical jeans. 🙂
Some food for thought. So nice nice no…

I like this Adnan Sami song, a bit tongue in cheek , it might not pass your stringent requirements but it has some amount of repetition both in word and deed.

14 Anu Warrier April 1, 2017 at 3:11 pm

AK, one of the funniest posts on this blog, ever. Thank you for my morning laugh. (And thanks alsoto Mumbaikar for giving you this idea.)

My immediate responses are:
Nahi nahi, abhi nahi from Jawani Diwani.
Jaaneman, jaaneman, tere do nayan from Chhoti si Baat.
Chup chup khade ho zaroor koyi baat hai from Badi Bahen
Jhir jhir jhir jhir badarwa barse from Parivaar
Arre na na na na tauba tauba from Aar Paar

–so many more, really. But, thank you. I really enjoyed this post.

15 Mahesh April 1, 2017 at 4:20 pm

Gun gun gun gun boley re bhanwar . Suraiya in Afsar

Gun gun gunjan karta bawra…Geeta Roy in Har har mahadev

Oui maa oui maa yeh kya ho gaya Lata in Parasmani.

16 AK April 1, 2017 at 5:20 pm

Solid article. Thanks. Adnan Sami’s song, though my favourite, would not fit in my list. But thanks for sharing it.

Thanks. I am happy you enjoyed it. You have also added some very nice nice songs.

Nice songs.

17 ksbhatia April 1, 2017 at 6:44 pm

AK ji , Mumbaikar 8 ;

A perfect way to laugh on the fool’s day. What an idea ! The subject is so sweet and I think many of my colleagues would be readdy to bat at no 1. As a starter here is a sixer ….

1.Yeh nain dare dare , liye jam bhare bhare….Hemant….Kohra

2.Dheere dheere chal chand gagan mein…..Rafi, Lata….Love Marriage

3.Ja ja ja bewafa……Geeta Dutt……Aar Paar

4. Sun Sun Sun zalima…….Rafi, Geeta Dutt….Aar Paar

5.Ja ja re ja dewane ja……Rafi , Asha……Grahasti

6.Ja ja ja re ja re ja…..Lata…Lata….Naya Ghar

Here is a four from the colored era movies ……

7.Tauba tauba kya hoga…..Asha…..Mr. Natwar Lal

8.Akele akele kahan ja rahe ho….Rafi….An Evening in Paris

9.Allah allah allah wo legaye chandi chhalla….Lata…Mere Huzoor

10.Neend nigahhon se ud jaati hai kyun ke jawani mein ho jaati hai , mohabbat mohabbat mohabbat…..[ uttered 8 times ]…Lata…Lootere

Now a single to bid good night……

11.Yeh jhuki jhuki jhuki nigahen teri….Rafi….Aao Pyar Karen

[ watching Sanjeev Kumar as Extra is a fun too ]

… be contd….

18 mumbaikar8 April 1, 2017 at 10:14 pm

You have fooled me wholly wholly.
Thank you for turning my half-baked idea into such a funny post.
I had promised to get back to you, but other than Guddeswarupji’s article could not find anything relevant, I have a wandering mind and as I did not hear from you again I thought रात गयी बात गयी.
Thanks Naresh Mankad and Anu for giving credit to my idea but as D P Rangan said “There is no end to his lively imagination and his sheer ability to make mountain out of a molehill is astounding to say the least” so all the credit as well as brickbats to AK:)
SSW’s article has shown different dimension of repetition.

19 Shanta April 1, 2017 at 11:55 pm

Really disappointed that a beautiful and tremendously liked song “Teri Pyari Pyari Surat Ko” is missing from the list. Overall choice is ok, but incomplete without this song, in my opinion.

20 AK April 2, 2017 at 12:50 am

KS Bhatiaji,
You have been true to your reputation. Terrific songs.

I thought springing a surprise on you would be more enjoyable. Your opening sentence reminded me of a wit: “You can’t fool me, I am too ignorant. 🙂 “

21 AK April 2, 2017 at 12:54 am

Welcome to SoY. Teri pyari pyari surat ko has a long history of discussions on this and some other blogs. Therefore, there is a reason to exclude it. It would not be prudent to go over the same story again.

22 mumbaikar8 April 2, 2017 at 2:35 am

AK, ksbhatiaji,
Javed talking about Sahir’s lyric writing starting at 9.00 how he wrote Yeh raat yeh chandni on meter while he could have done some tukbandi like aaja aaja and sunja sunja, Sahir has written so many repeated words songs, it is tukbandi at times but not always.
Here are some of Sahir creations
Two songs from Gumrah
Aaja aaja re
Yeh hawa ye hawa
Most popular qawwali from Baat ek raat ki
Yeh ishq ishq hai
One nonsensical from Trishul Gapuchi gapuchi
Rafi Geeta OP duet Jahan jahan khayal jata hai
Phrase kise pesh karoon Ghazal
Basti basti parbat from Railway platform
aan milo aan milo Devdas
Ude jab jab zulfe teri Naya daur
and finally two kabhi kabhi songs
Milti hai zindagi kabhi kabhi
kabi kabhi mere dil me khayal hai

23 D P Rangan April 2, 2017 at 3:46 am

Never realised my prattlings has been read by so many. That is the way I am. Life is too sweet to be taken seriously and one who can laugh on himself laughs last. I can only plead mea culpa.

24 Arunkumar Deshmukh April 2, 2017 at 6:15 am

AK ji,

I was out of Mumbai due to a death in family. I retuned yesterday night and was feeling down and depressed.
I just visited SOY, out of habit and all my depression and lost mood disappeared instantly after reading your post.
Believe me I must not have smiled and laughed as much as today ! Really you are simply unique. Mumbaikar might have given you the basic concept, but the way you have developed it and wrapped it in a sheer literary garb has no parallel,indeed !
Kya baat hai, Kya baat hai !!
I have enjoyed it and I thank you for writing such wonderful post. THAT is AK !!!

25 AK April 2, 2017 at 7:14 am

First my deepest condolences for the breavement.

Your generous words are overwhelming. Thanks a lot.

26 Dustedoff April 2, 2017 at 11:38 am

Delightful, AK – this was so much fun to read. And you’ve got some spectacular songs in your list. I can see many other people have suggested many other songs, so I won’t flood your comments with any more links. Just a couple of songs that came to my mind, some verb repetitions, some adjective, some adverb:

Hari-hari vasundhara pe neela-neela yeh gagan
Aaja aaja main hoon pyaar tera
Chori-chori meri gali aana hai bura
Badle-badle mere sarkar nazar aate hain

Oh, there are so many.

27 AK April 2, 2017 at 11:49 am

Thanks a lot. There are too many of such songs, but Hari hari vasundhara pe is one of the most elegant.

28 Giri April 2, 2017 at 2:31 pm

Excellent! Enjoyable!
Thanks AK (and Mumbaikar)
Such good good posts appear on SOY only.
I will add one more to the list:
Isharon isharon mein(Kashmir ki kali)

29 AK April 2, 2017 at 2:53 pm

Thanks a lot. After the post was up, the first song that came to my mind was Ishaaron ishaaron mein.

30 Ravindra Kelkar April 2, 2017 at 4:28 pm

AK ji,
What a wonderfully innovative theme!!! Guaranteed to uplift the mood for sure. There are scores of Hindi film songs which use repetitive words. In many of such songs, I feel the composers may have suggested this repetition to fit the words into the crafted tune.
Also, one more food for thought. In Hindu philosophy, the “Japa” (meaning repetition) of a sacred Mantra/Shloka is recommended to achieve spiritual objectives alluded by the Mantra/Shloka. So I suppose it is inherent in our way of thinking.
Thanks for this unique write-up.

31 ksbhatia April 2, 2017 at 5:55 pm

AK ji

Thanks for your appreciation . The subject is too good and vast I am really enjoying exploring the happy and sad songs alike.

Continuing with my batting till googly and spinners [ Hans ji and Arvinder Sharma ji ] joins with their flight bowling .

Here is a song hitting over the fence in a no mans land as it was a wide ball .

12. Chinchan pappulu , chinchan pappulu , chinchan pappulu …..chhui chhui chhui chhui ..chhoo na lena mujhe chhoo na lena…

Truely a very ….unique unique unique …. song of its kind fit for No Mans Land or may be main theme as well .

32 ksbhatia April 2, 2017 at 6:26 pm

AK ji ;

Continuing with explorations of beautiful B & W songs that may interest the sharper listeners of SoY .

13.Dagmag Dagmag dole naiya…..Geeta Dutt…..Jogan

14.Thandi Thandi Sawan Ki Phhhuwar…..Asha…..Jagte Raho

15.Tum se hi Ghar Ghar Kahai laya……Mukesh….Bhabhi ki Chhuriyan

16.Soona Soona hai jahan…..Lata…..Lata…..Aurat

17Badle Badle mere sarkar …..Lata…..Chaudhvin ka chand

18.Jal Jal ke kahein hum dil se….Geeta dutt…Dil Ki Basti

19.Ro Ro ke dil pukare…..Lata…..26 January

20.Ghir Ghir ke aayi badariya…..Lata….Ek Thi Ladki

Well these were a few of my fav. sad songs …..will continue with some happy and romantic songs as well .

33 AK April 2, 2017 at 6:33 pm

Ravindra Kelkarji,
Thanks a lot for your appreciation. I was trying to find the explanation for this phenomenon in the article linked by Gaddeswarupji (#1). But it only gave a survey across Indian languages and a classification of such duplication. You have given a plausible explanation.

KS Bhatiaji,
It is indeed a unique unique unique song. Thanks a lot.

34 ksbhatia April 2, 2017 at 7:00 pm

AK ji ;

Continuing with some happy songs……

21.Tedhi Tedhi humse phhire …..Shamshad [?] , Manna dey….Musafir

Must for Keshto Break Dance in his first movie.

22.Gore Gore o Baanke Chhore….Lata, Ameerbai ….Samadhi

23.Bhini Bhini hai meethi meethi hai…..Lata….Nausharwan E Adil

24.Hawa hai sard sard….Lata…..Shatranj

25.Dil Dil se keh raha hai ….Lata, Talat…..Parchhain

26.Yeh nai nai preet hai…..Lata, Talat…..Pocket Maar

27.Haule Haule hawa dole……Geeta Dutt….Private

28.Haule Haule jiya dole…..Lata….Kaise Kahun

29.Halke Halke chalo sanware….Lata, Hemant…Tangewali

30.Dil Dil se mila kar dekho…Asha….Mem Sahib

…… To be Continued…..

35 mumbaikar8 April 2, 2017 at 8:21 pm

Ravindra Kelkar is right not only we Japa our mantras or shlolaks but we have repeated words in our Shanskrit chants like Har Har Mahadev and Bam Bam Bhole.
One more observation, some words make sense only if they are repeated otherwise it is nonsensical or mean something else.
Example बार बार makes sense only if your repeat बार on its own it is meaningless.
And घडी घडी means again and again (here again is repeated in English with connecting “and”) in English again stands on its own as again but घडी has a different meaning it means watch or पल but पल पल means every second but घडी घडी means again and again isn’t it interesting

36 AK April 3, 2017 at 12:38 am

KS Bhatiaji,
Fantastic songs, especially Tedhi tedhi and Keshto Mukherjee’s dance. Thanks a lot.

Interesting thoughts. The examples you have given can stand single too: ‘Do ghadi wo jo paas aa baithe’, ‘Pal bhar ke liye koi humein’, ‘Ek pal ruk jana’ or ‘Ek baar zara phir kah do’.

37 Gaddeswarup April 3, 2017 at 2:29 am

Since I do not understand Hindi, I do not know how or where it fits in the above step. It is possible somebody mentioned it. Anyway, here is an old favourite, I keep remembering ‘chalija cjali ja…’ by Lata Mangeshkar

38 AK April 3, 2017 at 3:11 am

It fits perfectly, and it has not been mentioned. Thanks for adding it.

39 D P Rangan April 3, 2017 at 5:12 am

One more song comes to my mind. It is from China Town (1962), Music by Ravi, lyrics Majrooh

Baar baar dekho

40 D P Rangan April 3, 2017 at 5:23 am

Sorry for not including two more songs of a similar elk

Yu no dekho hume bar bar (Rafi, Kalyanji Anandji, Qamar Jalalabadi,
Film : Preet ne Jane Reet (1966)

Another from a recent period : Murder (2004) Singer : Alisha Chinai
Lyrics: Rahat Indori, Music Anu Malik
Dil ko hazaar baar rokha rokha rokha

41 ksbhatia April 3, 2017 at 8:51 am

AK ji ;

Some songs from the vintage eras……

31. Dheere Dheere Aa re baadal…..Ashok Kumar….Kismat

32.Chal Chal re Naujawan…..Ashok Kumar , Leela Chitnis…Bandhan

33. Radha Radha Pyari Radha…Ashok Kumar , Leela Chitnis…Kangan

34 Dil dekar Dard Liya Maine Maine Maine…..Jagmohan

35. Suno Suno Aye Krishan Kaala….K L Saigal….Bhajan

Ak ji , how come my songs from 13 to 20 posted on 2 nd April are still awaiting moderations .

42 Giri April 3, 2017 at 11:36 am

Very well explained.
With my limited knowledge of Hindi I feel ‘Bar bar’ is a (p0etic) way of saying ‘every time’. ‘Pal pal’ will mean ‘all the time’. On the other hand ‘pal do pal’ will mean ‘some time’. I hope I am right.
K.S.Bhatia ji,
You are batting like Viv Richards!
I really wonder how you unearth all these gems to suit the topic in every post! Your memory is fantastic.

43 Arunkumar Deshmukh April 3, 2017 at 12:05 pm

AK ji,

Does the evergreen song…Ayega,ayega,ayega, ayega anewala,ayega anewala fit into this ? (Mahal-1949, Lata)

44 AK April 3, 2017 at 12:21 pm

I think it should fit.

45 ksbhatia April 3, 2017 at 5:46 pm

Giri Ji @42 ;

Thanks for your complement . In my college days [ I I T , Delhi ] I was labeled by my sporties as study batsman ; as such I used to open my innings as opening batsman and some time as one down at no 3 . Tackling fast bowling was my passion and for this reason I maintained my position in I I T cricket XI for four years till I completed my civil engineering graduation . During this period I happened to play against many state universities and colleges . In my school days , Amarnath brothers were my school mates . Surendra Amarnath and Ramesh Saxena were my class fellows .

So far I have made 35 runs and , in case I cross 50 , I will try to add 25 to 50 more runs.

My batting continues and here are some more from the golden period…

36. O leke pehla pehla pyar…..Shamshad, Rafi…..C I D

37. Khoya Khoya chand….Rafi….Kala Bazar

38.Khoya Khoya Chanda….Asha….Door Gagan Ki Chaon Mein

39.Ghir Ghir ayi kaari badariya….Lata….Shagufa

40.Saari saari raat teri yaad sataye…Lata….Aji Bas Shukriya

……to be contd……

So far I have made 35 runs and in case I cross 50

46 Ashwin Bhandarkar April 3, 2017 at 6:04 pm


You are such a scream! I would rank this post as my favourite on SOY so far!

Onomatopoeic words like ‘jhanak’ lend themselves to repetition in songs. Here are some examples :

1. Jhanak jhanak tori baje payaliya
2. Jhanak jhanak payal baje
3. Jhan jhan jhan jhan payal
4. Cham cham baaje re payaliya
5. San sanan sanan sanan ja ri o pavan

BTW, wrt your question on ‘vai’, the word means ‘yes’ in Konkani (maybe it is related to the ‘hai’ in Hindi).

One more song in the genre: Hai na bolo bolo from the Shammi-Hema starrer, ‘Andaz’

47 ksbhatia April 3, 2017 at 6:30 pm

AK ji ;

Continuing my batting and here are few more runs …..hope they are fitting the theme . Do warn me if there is any appeal for run out.

[ The last line @45 needs to be deleted ]

41.Chori chori meri galli aana hai bura….Lata….Jaal

42.Peechhe Peechhe aa kar…..Lata, Hemant….House no 44

43.Chal chal re musafir chal….Rafi…..Pooja

44.Sun Sun Palan Hare……Rafi….Laxmi Pooja

45.Kya Kya na huye tujh pe sitam…..Rafi….Mohini

[ The original tune of N. Dutta song….Tu hindu banega na …..]

46. Gore Gore galon pe yeh kaala til….Rafi, Geeta…Chandu

47.Gore Gore Gullabi gaal Re….Rafi, Asha….Maya Jaal

48.Suniye suniye hamara fasana…Rafi, Geeta…..Sindbad ki beti

49.Sambhal sambhal ke chalna…..Geeta Dutt…..10’o Clock

50.Do Do Aane chaqu , Char Char Aane Qatari…..Rafi , Geeta Dutt…Raj Sinhasan

….That makes Half Century …..will bat for more…..

48 Ashwin Bhandarkar April 3, 2017 at 7:02 pm

Here are a couple of khayal bandishes with the ‘repeat word’ phenomenon:

1. ‘Taarva ginat ginat’ in Raga Bibhas (the Marwa thaat variant), a drut cheez composed by Sadarang, and rendered here by Ashwini Bhide-Deshpande starts at 25:35:

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2. ‘Jhananan jhananan baje’ , a bandish in Raga Deshkar sung here by Gangubai Hangal (the recording is in 2 parts):

3. ‘Paayo paayo ram’, a vilambit khayal in Raga Kedar, sung here by Mogubai Kurdikar:

4. ‘Ras bheeni bheeni aaye’, a Sadarang-composed drut bandish in Raga Shuddha Kalyan begins at 22:47 in this recording of Bhimsen Joshi’s rendition:

5. ‘Gali gali endi tori’, a drut bandish in Raga Basant, begins at 12:00 of this recording of a Bhimsen Joshi performance:

There is a ‘Endi Endi tori’ variant as well:

BTW this composition was the inspiration for ‘Ketaki gulab juhi’ from Baant Bahar.

6. ‘Jhanak jhanakwa more bicchua’, a drut bandish in Darbari, starts at 52:55 of this recording of a live performance by Bhimsen Joshi:

(Not sure whether it qualifies as a legit entry though because of the ‘wa’ appended to the 2nd ‘jhanak’)

49 Ashwin Bhandarkar April 3, 2017 at 7:07 pm

Only two bandishes had come to mind when I started on the comment above but more surfaced to the top of my memory as I started thinking harder and I ended up posting six.

50 AK April 4, 2017 at 2:02 am

KS Bhatiaji,
Standing applause from the stadium! At this rate, lower order batsmen would be left to do nothing.

I am happy you enjoyed the post. After knowing the meaning of ‘vai’, I went back to Chitragupt songs. They still sound meaningless. In Tujhko main jaan gayi, he has used entire lines as ‘vai vai vai vai vai…’. My guess is the lyricist was not able to deliver the lines by the deadline, and Chitragupt did not want to wait.

Thanks a lot for the classical bandishes. ‘Jhanak jhanakwa’ fits in. If we include tarana too, there would be a large number. I have also read/heard experts say that tarana syllables are not meaningless.

51 mumbaikar8 April 4, 2017 at 10:11 am


I said in my comment that ghadi and pal can stand single but not baar it has ek with it, it’s always ek baar, do baar, sau baar or baar baar.


Thank you very much for appreciation and encouragement.

I think pal and pal do pal is right but baar baar I think is multiple times and jab jab is every time.


According to ESPN Sir Bradman has the highest record of 974 runs in one series. I am sure if you bat consistently in this category you can challenge that record. GOOD LUCK

52 Ashwin Bhandarkar April 4, 2017 at 2:32 pm

In poignant remembrance:

‘Choomchananana Choomchananana bichua baaje’ in Raga Jaunpuri by Kishori Amonkar (the drut bandish begins at 13:29):

To quote a friend: There will be no other like her, ever.

53 mumbaikar8 April 4, 2017 at 4:01 pm

My brother shares the same view about Kishori Amonkar.
Viththala bhajan by her. Viththtla is always repeated.

54 Mahesh April 4, 2017 at 5:24 pm

A gem from the master craftsman, the genius but unlucky Jaidev.

The song grows on you, the more you listen to it.

55 ksbhatia April 4, 2017 at 6:07 pm

Ashwin ji @46;

Nice collective songs on jhanak rhythm ….will add one more to your list

jhanan jhan jhana ke apni payal mat poochoe chali kahan ….Lata …from Aashiq

56 ksbhatia April 4, 2017 at 6:39 pm

Ms. Mumbaikar8;@51 ,

Thanks for the ESPN record table and for your complements as well . Sir Bradman holds a great respect in cricket field . I have watched him playing cricket on vintage documentaries . He had a great reflexes on the oncoming fast deliveries and my personal opinion is that our great Tendulkar is very close to his style of batting . The other indian batsman that follows them closely are the stylist batsman of yester years…..Nari Contractor , Vijay Manjerekar , Pankaj Roy , Dilip Sardesai and Vinoo Mankad .

To give a break to the main theme , here are the songs that may fit the no sense hitting the no mans land among the crowds.

51.Sa sa sa re……Kishore, Asha……Naughty Boy

52.Ta ra ri aa ri…….Rafi, Suraiya……Dastan

53.Ta ra ra ram mere dil mein sanam….Lata …Hoor E Arab

54. Yeh Zindgi hai Yo Yo……Manmohan Krishan….Aaram

… be contd…..

57 ksbhatia April 4, 2017 at 7:32 pm

AK ji ,

Continuing adventure with batting strokes ……

55.Chori chori aag si dil mein lagake….Sulochana….Dholak

56.Chori chori yu na mulaqat…..Rafi, Lata…..Pardes

57.Chori chori ek ishara ho gaya hai….Rafi, Asha….Basant

58.Tere pechhee firte firte hogaya….Suman, Rafi…Mud Mud Ke Na Dekh

59.Bolo bolo kuchh to bolo…..Rafi …Dil Deke Dekho

60.Palti ari palti , palti palti palti kismat palti…..Asha…..Musafir Khana

… be contd……

58 mumbaikar8 April 4, 2017 at 8:27 pm

I have watched all these players I remember Nawab of Pataudi too, now it seems like पिछले जन्म की बात. Only cricket I watch is world cup cricket.
My sons have moved on to baseball they feel it is a better version of cricket.
Back to theme, I have seen your defensive as well as aggressive batting that’s why I am sure with your concentration and patience you can make it.

59 AK April 5, 2017 at 12:31 am

Nice song. I had heard about Ek Thi Rita, but I heard the song for the first time. Thanks a lot.

60 AK April 5, 2017 at 12:33 am

KS Bhatiaji,
I doubt if you were ever out. #58 was very nice. It is very unusual to see Bharat Bhushan doing chhed chhad.

61 Mahesh April 5, 2017 at 4:58 am

Bharat Bhushan and chhed chhad?
Well, two more from the same film.

62 ksbhatia April 5, 2017 at 8:07 am

AK , Mahesh ji[s] ;

Isaw the movie ….Mud Mud Ke Na Dekh….when it was released in the early 60s . I too was amazed to find Bharat Bhushan in Shammi kapoor avtar . Same goes to Anita Guha whom we used to see her in plenty of Mythological movies . Any way the songs were entertaining . Both the songs posted by Mahesh ji are fab.and I did post them in past in some relevent article.

Continuing from where I left , here are some more sturdy runs …..

61.Woh chale….Meri arzoo mitake mitake….Rafi…Humrahi

62.Pehla pehla pyar hai ye…..Suman Kalyanpur….Budtmeez

63.Chodo chodo meri bahiyan saaware…..Suman….Miya Biwi Razi

64.Jhuk jhuk jaaye nazar sharmaiye….Geeta Dutt…Aab E Hayat

65.Chupke se mile pyase pyase….Rafi, Geeta…..Manzil

66.Thandi Thandi hawa pooche unka pata….Asha , Geeta…Johnny Walker

… be contd.

63 Praveen April 5, 2017 at 9:46 am

Coming back to SOY after a long gap – what a wonderful post and comments!! Made my day

One song that suddenly came to my mind is a Thumri from Sardari Begum, sung by Aarti Ankalikar

64 AK April 5, 2017 at 10:53 am

KS Bhatiaji,
#61 and 62 were new to me. Especially #61 with ‘mita ke’ twice and Rajendra Kumar’s dance is too good.

Welcome back. I am happy that you found something enjoyable on your return. All the songs of Sardari Begum are excellent. Thanks for adding this.

65 Praveen April 5, 2017 at 11:03 am

I forgot to mention in my comment – that song was in line with our subject

Ghir Ghir Aayee Badariya Kali 🙂

66 Naresh P. Mankad April 5, 2017 at 5:01 pm

A song of vivacious mood comes to mind: Neeli Neeli ghata, bheegi bheegi hava

67 ksbhatia April 5, 2017 at 6:28 pm

AK ji;

Yes . Rajendra Kumar danced very well matching the rhythm and fast beats of the song . The composition seems to be of Jaikishan as the prelude suggest….matching that of Sangam ‘s prelude of the song ….har dil jo pyar karega .

Again continuing with some more runs…

67.Lele…Lele bahar bahar mein….Asha….Meenar

68.Jhoom jhoom ke do deewane…..Rafi , ?…..Mastana

69.Jhanan Jhanan baaje……Lata…..Chand Aur suraj

70.Gori tore nain , nainwa kajar bin kare kare kare…..Rafi, Asha….Mai Suhagan hun

…..coming back with some classified postings.

68 ksbhatia April 5, 2017 at 7:03 pm

Ak ji ;

In the Bollywood of the 60s cricket was very popular and there used to have matches between two teams for which Dilip Kumar and Raj Kapoor were captains . Dilip , Raj , Shammi Kapoor, Jaikishan, Joy Mukerjee , I S Johar , Actress Shammi . , Jabeen , Nanda etc. were good players . The collection were of course for the charities .

Recalling Raj Kapoor as a bowler , here are some songs/ runs on his overs .

71.Awara Hun , Awara hun , ya gardish mein aasma ka tara hun, hun hun …….


72.Sunte they naam hum jinka bahar se dekha to dola jiya jhoom jhoom ke……Lata…..Aah

73.Mud Mud ke na dekh….Asha, Manna dey……Shree 420

74. Dost Dost na raha……Mukesh…..Sangam

75.Jhanan Jhanan Ghungarwa Baaje…..Lata…..Aah

76.Nazar Nazar se ho rahi hai baat pyar ki…Lata, Mukesh…..Main Nashe Mein Hun

77.Yeh raat bheegi bheegi…..Mukesh, Lata….Chori Chori

….will come back with some more classified songs.

69 mumbaikar8 April 5, 2017 at 7:44 pm

Seventy songs in five days! Shattering Sobers’s record scoring on noballs and wides?

70 AK April 6, 2017 at 12:24 am

Naresh P Mankad,
What a fabulous song Neeli neeli ghata! I don’t remember when I heard it last, if at all. Thanks a lot.

KS Bhatiaji,
Too good. But I won’t put Dost dost na raha in this category, because repetition is in a different context.

71 ksbhatia April 6, 2017 at 7:40 am

AK ji ;

Mistake accepted . Yeh Bade Bade Articles Mein Chooti Chooti Galtiyaan Ho Jaati hain.

Mumbaikar 8,

I wish to cross the 100 mark before any other player do in the current I P L matches.

O P Nayyar is the one Md whose songs carried quite a number of twin as well as group of such words . Want to face his bowling and here are the songs/ runs….His first ball from his very first over [ his first movie ]

78.Pom Pom Pom baaja bole….Geeta …..Aasman

79.Mera naam chin chin chu….Geeta…..Howrah Bridge

80.Main main main qartoon…..Rafi….Mr. Qartoon M A

81Are na na na na tauba tauba….Rafi, Geeta….

82.Suno suno miss chatterjee….Rafi, Asha….Baharen phir bhi ayengi

83.Dil par hua aisa jadoo…..Rafi…Mr and Mrs 55

84.Chun chun ghungroo bole…..Asha….Phagun

85.Shokh shokh ankhen……Asha…..Phagun

86.Ek pardesi mera dil legaya….Rafi, Asha….Phagun

… be contd…..

72 N Venkataraman April 6, 2017 at 7:51 am

Returning to Soy after some lag. No amount of praise is enough for this unique post. Splendid, Hilarious and elevating.Thanks to Mumbaikarji for suggesting this idea and hats off to Bhatiaji for coming up so many songs within few days.

Here is a couple from me. Hope they are in keeping with the idea.

Ghunghurwa Baaje Chhananana Chhun by Kanan Devi, film Street Singer (1938), lyrics Arzoo Lucknawi, music R C Boral.

Pyare Pyare Sapne Hamare by Ashok Kumar,Suresh, Rewa Shankar, film Anjaan (1941), lyrics Kavi Pradeep, music Pannalal Ghosh

73 N Venkataraman April 6, 2017 at 9:09 am

What about this song? Where does this fit into?
Bam Chike Chike Cham Chike Chike by Kishore Kumar , film Kahte Hain Mujhko Raja (1975), lyrics Majrooh Sultanpuri, music R D Burman

74 AK April 6, 2017 at 9:43 am

Thanks a lot for your appreciation. On ‘Bam chike..’, my view is that songs with nonsensical words should be kept out. But that restriction is for me and not for the readers. 🙂

75 N Venkataraman April 6, 2017 at 10:15 am

OK. let me replace it it with this Kishore number.
Zaroorat Hai Zaroorat Hai by Kishore Kumar, film Manmauji (1962), lyrics Rajinder Krishan, music Madan Mohan

76 AK April 6, 2017 at 12:02 pm

‘Zaroorat hai’ is perfect.

77 N Venkataraman April 6, 2017 at 12:21 pm

Here are few more vintage numbers.
Sar sar sarabas pay kii dhaaraa by Shanta Apte, film Gopal Krishna (1938), lyrics Pt. Anuj, music Master Krishnarao

Bol Bol Tu Bol Re Ban Ke by Surendra and Jyoti, film Aurat (1940), lyricsSafdar Aah, music Anil Biswas

Jaag jaag jaag meethi neend se by Sundari Bai and Shahu Modak, film Aadmi (1939), lyrics Munshi Aziz, music Master Krishnarao

78 Ashwin Bhandarkar April 6, 2017 at 5:00 pm

Not sure whether this one has been listed by Bhatiaji:

‘Jhananana jhan jhananana jhan jhananana baaje payaliya’ from Rani Rupmati.

79 Ashwin Bhandarkar April 6, 2017 at 5:46 pm

‘Love, love alone’, a song on the abdication by King Edward, the uncle of the oresent Queen Elizabeth II, sung by Harry Belafonte:

The 3nd line goes aa follows: ‘It was love, love, love, love, love alone’

80 Ashwin Bhandarkar April 6, 2017 at 5:50 pm

‘Maali, maali, maali, meri man ki bagiya phooli’ by Vasanti and Vishnupant Pagnis from Sant Tulsidas (1939):

81 Ashwin Bhandarkar April 6, 2017 at 6:03 pm

‘Naacho naacho pyaare man ke mor’ (male version) by Arun Kumar Mukherjee from ‘Punar Milan'(1940):

The female version by Snehaprabha Pradhan:

82 ksbhatia April 6, 2017 at 6:11 pm

AK ji; ,

With Venkatraman ji and Ashwin Bhandarkar ji joining the band wagon here is my Hello to them…

87. Hello hello ji kaho kya hai ji…..Kishore, Asha…Bombay Ka Chor

88.Hello hello le lo sallam mera…Rafi….Band Master

89.Hello hello hello…[.tending to infinity] …Rafi, Asha…Minister

90.Hello hello o meri chhamak chhallo….Rafi, Geeta….School Master

…..will come back with classic in final overs…..

83 mumbaikar8 April 6, 2017 at 6:26 pm

Perhaps I was wrong. Kishori Amonkar composed music and sang six songs in 1991 Movie Drishti.
One song that fits the bill
Megha Jhar jhar barsat re

84 mumbaikar8 April 6, 2017 at 7:12 pm

Welcome to the party!
I am not good at statistics, but searching for songs earlier I have come to the conclusion that approximately 10% of the songs are repeat word songs. Imagine have many songs we have?
In Naata Lyricist Tanveer had as many as five songs.
dhadke dhadke rah rah ke dil bawra
Suno Suno Ek Nayi Kahani
Ghir Ghir Chhayi Mast Ghataye
Dekhte Dekhte Jal Gaya Aashiyan
aasra chhod de aasra chhod de

85 ksbhatia April 6, 2017 at 7:54 pm

Ak ji ,

Continuing with some of my fav. classic songs for some final overs left..

91. Jhoom jhoom ke naacho aaj….Mukesh…Andaz

92.Panchhi ban mein piya piya gaane laga….Lata…Babul

93.Dil tadap tadap ke kah raha hai….Mukesh, Lata….Madhumati

94.Dil mein pyar ka toofan….Lata….Yahudi

95.Mera dil yeh pukare aaja….Lata….Nagin

96.Hawa mein udta jaaye mora lal duppatta mal mal ka…Lata…Barsaat

97.Jab se balam ghar aaye …..Lata…..Awara

98.aankhon aankhon mein tum ko basa ke dekh liya….Lata…Aurat

99.Bichhde sabhi bari bari…..Rafi…..Kagaz Ke Phool

100 [A]. Mitwa….Mitwa….Lagi Re Yeh Kaisi…..Talat….Devdas

100[B]. With chorus singing in the background…..[.Manzil ki chaah mein…tede hain raaste ] Main singer Rafi starts with ….

Kahin Kahin Chhaon hai ,
Kahin Kahin Dhoop Hai ;
Yeh bhi ek roop hai ,
woh bhi ek roop hai ;
kai yahan khoiyen ge ,
kai yahan paayenge ;
Rahi eeee kai abhi jaayenge ,
kai abhi aayenge ;
o rahiieeeee…..

This beautifully crafted song is masterly composed by S D Burman and lyrically riched by the writer . Over and above beautifully directed by Bimal Roy capturing the pathos of two women at the cross roads of their lives . The camera work is excellent capturing the scenic effects of the path and the rhythm of the song thru the carriers of the Palki .

86 ksbhatia April 7, 2017 at 7:12 am

……in continuation……

Forget to post the last song .

….likely to continue with some more songs…..

87 N Venkataraman April 7, 2017 at 7:35 am

Hello, Hello Bhatiaji,
Congratulations for scoring a swift, unbeaten century. We stand no chance of touching your mile stone.

Yes there must be a good number of repeat word songs. In the film Anjaan (1941), we have three versions of the song Pyare Pyare Sapne Hamare, two versions of the song Sawariya Re Sawariya and another song Chalko Chalko Na Ras Ki Gagariya . Besides another song Mere jivan ke path par Chhaayi ye kaun, there are repeat words, but not in the mukhda.

88 N Venkataraman April 7, 2017 at 7:54 am


Namaste Namaste aji namaste Namaste by Chitalkar, Md.Rafi,Mohantara Talpade, Shamshad Begum, film Patanga (1949), lyrics Rajinder Krishan, music C Ramchandra

89 Peddadu April 7, 2017 at 8:35 am

After going through the wonderful post and the songs listed by you as well the other song-masters (I don’t know why classical/semiclassical concerts figure here!), I would like to list out a few such songs (of yore) from my collection. I hope that fits the bill!
Zindagi Zindagi Zindagi Paigham SurendraNath_ Paigham 1943 BuloC_Rani
BijaliSi BijaliSi Chamke Ho Surendranath_ Dynamite -KisKeSajan 1938 Anil Krishna Biswas
Jhoom Jhoom Ke Naach Re Manwa Surendranath_ Kamal 1949 SD Burman
Chhup Chhup Ke Na Jiya Jala Zeenat Begum_ Intezaar Ke Baad 1947 Aziz Khan
Jhool Jhool kar Man Ke Jhoole Zeenat Begum_ Kahan Gaye 1946 Lachchiram Tamar
RainBhayi RainBhayi Palkon Par Deep Jalaaun Zeenat Begum_ Kahan Gaye 1946 Lachchhiram Tamar
Tim Tima Tim Tare Sulochana Kadam- Mukesh_ Har Har Mahadev 1950 Avinash Vyas
Chori Chori AagSi Dil Mein Sulochna Kadam_ Dholak 1951 ShyamSundar
Ghari Ghari Dil Bhar Aaye Sulochana Kadam_ Bade Bhaiya 1951 Premnath
Laaga Laaga Re Geeta Dutt, Sulochana Kadam_ Balma Bada Nadaan 1964 Hemant Kumar
Bole bole bagon main koyaliya Meena kapoor_ Dukhiyaari 1948 Gyan datt
Pyara pyara hai samaa Meena kapoor, Motilal_ Kamal 1949 S.D.Burman
Bheegi bheegi raat aayi Meena kapoor_ Aakash 1953 Anil Krishna Biswas
Zindagi Zindagi Koi Sapna Nahin Hafiz Khan Mastana_ Dr Kotnis Ki Amar Kahani 1946 Vasant Desai
Janam Janam Ka Nata Asha Bhosle_ Amarjyoti 1984 Jaidev Verma

90 ksbhatia April 7, 2017 at 9:37 am

Peddadu ji;

What an entry ! Simply fabulous !! All the songs listed are unique and I am going to hear them at my leisure…at my best time of the day.

Hope to get more of vintage songs from you and Venkatraman ji .

91 ksbhatia April 7, 2017 at 9:56 am

N Venkatraman ji ;

Thanks for your complements . It is the love of the So Y family that we all are part of . We live our life , exploring such songs and enjoying them now in our grey time . A song to say thanks thanks….

101. Shukariya , Shukariya , Shukariya ayi pyar tera….Talat…Aaram

Incidentally , Film Aaram carried four more songs with twin words and they are…..

102. Mil Mil ke bichhad gayi…..Lata

103.Bigad bigad ke bani……Lata

104.Balma ja ja ja……Lata

105.Man mein kisi ki preet basale , o matwale o matwale…..Lata

Film Aaram’s songs are special to me as it is from my one of the fav. music director… Anil Biswas.

92 ksbhatia April 7, 2017 at 10:11 am

Ms. Mumbaikar 8 @84;

Nice songs from the old film Naata . Good to note that It came from S. Mohinder the new MD of that time with Super star Madhubala .

93 AK April 7, 2017 at 11:10 am

KS Bhatiaji,
Bravo! My compliments too for completing the century no the trot. Many songs are well known but requires attention to notice that they have repeat words.

Thanks for the compliments. I have heard less than half the songs from your list. I would listen to them at leisure. On classical music, many of us who may be illiterate in music, are regular listeners of classical music and are deeply fond of it. That is why on my request Subodh has been writing a series on film songs based on classical ragas. Music being a continuum, it would be impracticable to create boundaries. We can always pass up something which is not of our interest.

94 mumbaikar8 April 7, 2017 at 11:22 am

Bhatiaji, song # 93
I can think of three more songs from Madhumati
Ghadi Ghadi Meraa Dil – Madhumati
Toote Hue Khwabon dil ne dil ne
O Bichhuaa, Dayyaa Re Dayyaa Re Chadh Gayo Paapi Bichhuaa

95 ksbhatia April 7, 2017 at 6:32 pm

AK ji ;

Thanks for your complements . After the milestone ,or whatever it was , I am thinking of slowing down in order to concentrate , with my utmost precaution , committing to the set boundaries avoiding mistakes .

A few more from the bank of the honest and charming music director….Chitagupt

106.Kare kare badra ja re ja re badra….. Lata…..Bhabhi

107.Ek raat mein do do chand khile….Mukesh, Lata….barkha

108.Nazar nazar se ulhaz gayi hai…… Lata……Insaaf

109.ek ek pal mein badle zamana……Lata…..Naya Sansar

11o.Kanhaiya re kanhaiya tu man….Lata, Usha……Naya Sansar

111.Kadam Kadam pe…..Rafi, Lata…..Madam XYZ

All these melodies are from the movies of 1959 except Insaaf which was released in 1956. During and about these years the ground had a hold of Big Wigs like Naushad, SDB, SJ etc. Some how the melodies created by Chitragupt could not found its place in those time . Listening to them now , as retros , is giving a very soothing feeling. Indeed Lata , Chitragupt is a great combo . Hope every one will enjoy listening to them .

96 ksbhatia April 7, 2017 at 6:37 pm

Ms. Mumbaikar 8 ;

Fantastic observations on Madhumati songs . Salil da’s greatest gift to the bollywood cinema . Top of the charts on Lata ji’s ratings.

97 AK April 8, 2017 at 4:31 am

KS Bhatiaji,
Off and on I would don an umpire’s hat. I disallow #108 as a short run because ‘nazar nazar’ is not used as repeat words but two separate words. 🙂

98 R Vasudevan April 8, 2017 at 6:17 am

A unique article indeed. Let me add a few more songs to the ever growing list.

1. oh dekho dekho dek raha ha papiya – Film FARIYAD. Snehal Bhatkar
composed this song sung by Mahendra kapoor and Suman kalyanpur. This song is unique in another way. It is a racy number. Film was released in 1964. Snehal was a good composer but could get limited assignments.
2. Chale chale ja jahan Pyar Mile – This 1970 released film Jahan Pyar Mile with music by Shankar Jaikishan was pretty ordinary film but had
a few good songs.
3. mudu mudu dekh na mud mud ke – Another SJ composed song from the film Shri 420. So early in their career SJ started composing songs in western type as this song proves it.

99 arvindersharma April 8, 2017 at 8:18 am
100 arvindersharma April 8, 2017 at 8:59 am

AK Ji,
Couldn’t even connect my bat and the ball went flying past for a fiver.
But the details first

K L Saigal
Ya tasarruf Allah Allah from Yahudi Ki Ladki composed by Pankaj Mullick

K L Saigal
Janam Janam ka dukhiya prani from Tadbir composed by Lal Mohammed

K L Saigal
Chupo na chupo na o pyari sajaniya from My Sister composed by Pankaj Mullick

K L Saigal
Rumjhum rumjhum chaal tihari from Tansen composed by Khemchand Prakash

K L Saigal
Pyari pyari soorato from Dushman composed by Pankaj Mullick

And sixth

Jao jao he mere Sadhu by KC Dey from Pooran Bhagat composed by RC Boral
This is a special one for me as it was introduced by you to me in our second meeting at GK, if you remember.
And thanks to Mumbaikar8 and you for introducing some interesting and extraordinary posts, which we all relish thoroughly.
And my congratulations to KS Bhatia Ji, for his relentless pursuit and posting another century of songs, not to forget the initial post and the contributions of Mumbaikar8, Venkataram Ji, Ashwin Ji and another bunch of lovely vintage songs by Peddadu Ji.
Only regret is Suno Suno he Krishna Kala, which I missed posting

101 Ashwin Bhandarkar April 8, 2017 at 9:20 am

A few more:

1. ‘Dhoondo dhoondo re saajna’ from ‘Ganga Jamuna’:

2. ‘Tim tim tim taaron ke deep jale’ from ‘Mausi’:

3. ‘Aha rimjhim ke ye pyaare pyaare’ from ‘Usne kaha tha’:

4. ‘Meethi meethi baaton se’ from ‘Quaidi No. 911’:

102 Ashwin Bhandarkar April 8, 2017 at 9:25 am

Given that ‘Chupke Chupke’ enjoys such a prominent place in the post, it is a trifle surprising that this song has not been mentioned yet:

‘Chupke chupke chal ri purvaiyya’ from ‘Chupke chupke’:

103 Ashwin Bhandarkar April 8, 2017 at 9:30 am

One more from the ‘ja ja’ sub-category came to mind just now:

‘Ja ja re ja saajna’ from Adalat:

104 AK April 8, 2017 at 9:50 am

Mr Vasudevan,
Thanks for your appreciation. It seems Mumbaikar8 is correct in speculating that 10% of all the songs have repeat words. Even if we take 20% as the memorable songs, 10% of that, i.e. 2% of the approximately 45000 songs up to the Golden Era would have repeat words. Thus we are talking about close to 1000 memorable songs that should have repeat words. Nice additions. ‘Mud mud ke na dekh’ has been mentioned earlier.

Arvinder Sharmaji,
If you want to compete with KS Bhatiaji, you can’t afford to miss any innings. Fabulous additions. ‘Jaao jaao ae mere sadhu’ never falis to bring tears to my eyes.

Nice that you have posted ‘Chupke chupke..’. It was a difficult choice with so many songs. I have a weakness for Chitragupta.

105 mumbaikar8 April 8, 2017 at 1:01 pm

Thanks and welcome (it seems to be turning into a binge now)

106 Arunkumar Deshmukh April 8, 2017 at 3:44 pm

Has this song been posted yet ?
Chup chup khade ho….Badi Behan-1949

107 Arunkumar Deshmukh April 8, 2017 at 3:47 pm

And this song ?

Lara lappa lara lappa…Ek thi ladki-1949

108 ksbhatia April 8, 2017 at 7:49 pm

Arvinder Sharma ji;

What an entry , must be using heavy bat and what a sixer . The ball gone to third tier of the vintage pavilion .

All the songs are good remembrance of the best of K l Saigal and Punkaj Mullick songs.

I ditto your observations on the contributions made by our learned friends and thanks for your complements as well. And I go 100 % with A K ji that you must stick to your wicket/ innings to carry out the mission of postings vintage and golden era songs thru your skillful bating . As estimated by Mumbaikar and AKji there seems to be enough scope to achieve the target of at least 350+ songs altogether.

Giving a booster here with some more songs…..

After deleting song no:108 , the numbering is changed.

111.Jhoom jhoom ke nache manwa….Surindra nath……Kamal

112.Thoda thoda pyar ho…..Shamshad…..Kamal Ke Phool

113.Hato hato ji aati hain jadugarni….Shamshad, Pramodni ….Dilruba

114.Koi Dil Mein Samaya Chupke Chupke ….Suraiya….Kamal Ka Phool

115.Dekho dekho ji….Geeta Dutt….Dilruba

Very nice dance number with beautiful long prelude by composer Gyan Dutt. But who is the male singer in the prelude ? Any guess .

….to continue….

109 D P Rangan April 9, 2017 at 2:33 am

You are indeed a campeador of unique themes. Bhatiaji has worked overtime and let loose a deluge which threatens to engulf everyone. He stands at a unique pedestal high up and others can look up in admiration. It is a matter of concern that many of these you tube links would vanish suddenly and lost forever. When I go through some old SOY posts, I see the grinning skeleton on many of the songs. Coute que coute. The only way out is to download mp3 content from these vintage songs posted by Venkataramanji, Arvinderji etc. and preserve it for posterity. Most of these songs do have a still as visual component and can be replicated at a future time as new you tube link. Will await for the considered opinion of the community.

110 AK April 9, 2017 at 10:23 am

DP Rangan,
YT removing the links from time to time is something we have to live with. Earlier downloading was simple. If you had downloaded Real Player on your computer, a link got automatically embedded on the top right corner of a YT video “Download with RealPlayer”. I don’t see that link now. There are a number of download softwares, but I have now become wary of malwares. The main risk is of the vanishing of 30s and 40s songs. For later period we are more likely to see replacements.

111 mumbaikar8 April 9, 2017 at 12:45 pm

DP Rangan,
The software Freemale video downloader is a very good free software to convert YouTube video to mp3.
All you need to do is copy and paste the url and click the option “convert to mp3”.
Download only from their website and try to install in advanced version because with standard you might be dumped with unwanted softwares.
If you do not want to do it, let us know what songs you want we can upload it on a cloud drive and you can move it to your computer from there.

112 ksbhatia April 9, 2017 at 6:26 pm

D P Rangan ji ;

Rightly You said . The vintage songs of 30s and 40s needs to be preserved by whatever means . The efforts made by Venkatraman ji and Arvinder Sharma ji to locate and post the rare songs are the best gifts to SoY members . Preserving every such songs by whatever software available though will surely be a painstaking exercise .

113 D P Rangan April 10, 2017 at 4:21 am

I have a plethora of software for doing the job. I have to make a start. I have Sandboxie installed and test all new software in it to see its performance.

Thanks for the offer. I have latest version of Aiseesoft Streaming Audio Recorder which lifts mp3 from you tube easily. I can also record live video from you tube as it is played. Boilsoft video splitter and video joiner is another one. I have a soundcloud account too and uploaded an instrumental of Uran Khatola chariot song, which I posted on the Tonga post.

114 arvindersharma April 10, 2017 at 4:24 am

AK Ji, Mumbaikar8 and Bhatia Ji
Thanks for your encouraging words and I have decided to go the easier way for the next lot, picking up some of the best by Lata solos for the post. I had previously twenty songs last night, and the past vanished without a trace, so just five at a time.

O Ji dhire 2 angana me
O Ji Haule 2 angana me from Pardes MD Ghulam Mohammad

Ang 2 me umang from Bahu MD Hemant Kumar

Dhire 2 kisne geet cheda-prelude
Ye mujhko kaun bulaye from Gokul Ka Chor MD Sudhir Phadke

Masti me jhoom 2 jiya lehraye from Sitara MD Ghulam Mohammad

O piya 2
Kya man me tumhare main jaanu 3 from Chalees Baba Ek Chor MD SD Burman

Will continue…

115 arvindersharma April 10, 2017 at 4:43 am

In continuation

Nanhi 2 boondiyaan Jiya lehraye from Meri Kahani MD K Dutta

Dhak 3 Jiya hone Laga from Sazaa MD SD Burman

Chori 2 Dil me kaun from Yahudi Ki Beti MD Kamal Mitra

Pyara 2 ye sama from Lal Quila MD SN Tripathi

Taare gin 2 beeti Mori raat from Dhun MD Madanmohan

Will be adding more…

116 D P Rangan April 10, 2017 at 5:02 am

Venkataramanji @87

Film Anjaan (1941), Kavi Pradeep, Music Pannalal Ghosh

Three versions of song Pyare Pyare Sapne Hamare (Devika Rani) (Ashok Kumar, Devika Rani) (Ashok Kumar, Suresh, Rewa Shankar

How long the links will last is anybody’s guess.Cela va sans dire

117 N Venkataraman April 10, 2017 at 6:07 am

Thank you for uploading the songs.
Bhatiaji, Dustedoff, Arvinderji and Peddadu have uploaded a large number of songs, some of them with the repeat words Chori-chori. This reminds of another vintage number.
Chori Chori Mori Atariya Pe Aaja Re by Ram Kamlani and Surinder Kaur, film Nao (1948), lyrics D N Madhok, music Gyan Dutt

Surinder Kaur is one of my favourite singers of pre-Lata period. Here is another repeat-word-song rendered by her.
Mere Uljhe Uljhe Sapne, Sulajh Na Paye by Surinder Kaur, film Lal Dupatta (1948, lyrics Manohar Khanna, music Gyan Dutt

118 N Venkataraman April 10, 2017 at 7:37 am

You should enjoy this rendition by Chitragupt with Shamshad Begum

119 arvindersharma April 10, 2017 at 8:26 am

In continuation

Suno 2 suno Ji more Rasiya from Jhanak Jhanak Payal Baaje MD Vasant Desai

Akele 2 Kahan ja rahe ho
Tumhare sang main bhi chalungi Piya from Sohni Mahiwal MD Naushad

Gin 2 taare main haar gayi raat Ko from Jadoo MD Naushad

Kadam behke 2 jiya dharak 2 jaye from Bank Manager MD Madanmohan

Dil jhoom 2 lehraye from Chandrasena MD Kalyanji Virji Shah

Bansi ki dhun sun tere liye chun 2
Layi main bagiya se gori 2 Kaliyan from Taaj MD Hemant Kumar

Jhuk 3 jhoom ghata from Chardiwari MD Salil Chowdhury

Nagri 2 naach rahi hai from Ghar Ghar Ki Baat MD Kalyanji Virji Shah

Jhuki 2 ankhiyan from Payal MD Hemant Kumar

Gori 2 chandni aur Poonam ki Raat
Meethi 2 saajna se from Sinhaldweep Ki Sundari MD SN Tripathi

With another genre of songs, will beck, adding more…

120 arvindersharma April 10, 2017 at 8:34 am

Venkataram Ji
Having lost my posts twice, was only concentrated on the post above, and couldn’t comment on your wonderful songs. Inspired me to post some melodious vintage duets next, having the repeat words.
And dear Bhatia Ji is also consolidating his long innings by lovely vintage strokes, l with DP Rangan Ji also sharing a lovely vintage triple
Will be back soon

121 arvindersharma April 10, 2017 at 11:02 am

Apologies for misspelling
Venkataraman Ji

122 Peddadu April 11, 2017 at 8:04 am

I am adding a few more songs, which might be of some relevance.

Chupke chupke se jab se Geeta Dutt- Surendra Nath Maya Machchindra 1951 Premnath
Chali chali re patang meri chali re Rafi- Bhabhi 1960 Chitragupta
Jhoom jhoom dhalti raat Lata_ Kohra 1964 Hemant kumar
Tumhe yaad karte karte Lata Amrapali 1966 Shankar-Jaikishan
Jhoom raha hai rom rom Asha- others Stree 1961 C.Ramachandra
Jhilmil jhilmil lahron ka Lata Stree 1961 C.Ramachandra
Moree chhum chhum baje payaliya Lata Ghunghat 1960 Ravi
Chhum chhum ghunguroo bole Asha Bhosle Kajal 1965 Ravi
Wo phoole phoole phirte hain Rafi Amar Jyoti 1965 Vasant Desai
Laagi re laagi re laagi Lata Amar Jyoti 1965 Vasant Desai
Jhan jhan jhan jhan jhan baje payaliya Lata- Mahendra Kapoor Amar
Jyoti 1965 Vasant Desai

By the way KS.Bhatia @108,
Your #111 song from Kamal has already listed by @89.

123 Shalan Lal April 11, 2017 at 11:11 am

A Huge Congratulations to AK
He surely has won a runaway uncertain post out of the “goody, goody songs!” as he walked down the road of the “SoY.
At first I thought AK was pulling the leg of Mumbaikar 8. Then I thought he was joining one of those elderly persons who hated Hindi film culture and film language etc.
But then I realized his humour steadied the ship of the post and there was no topsy-turvy.but a plain sailing, steady as she goes!
His taking us from songs to songs with the “Noun to Adverb” is a great invention. Many Vaiyakarans in the Hindi language Bhandar at Varanasi would have frowned upon for his daring to enter into their Sanatani Vaiyakarani Granathalay.
But what do they know, about Hindi language in the last fifty or so years handled and manipulated by the Hindi Filmwalahs?
I sincerely think that his present post should be used in the schools during the Hindi language and literature class. I am not joking!
This will help the students how the words enrich language and expression and would further help them to write in good and amusing Hindi.
From his examples I think the doubling of the words are not just embellishment as some reader suggested. The lyricists use them for subtle musical notes and nuances or many meanings of shades as well.
For example in that popular Urdu verse “ (Gharse) Nikalaa to Akela Tha, Log Aaye Aur Karavan Ban Gaya” The words in my quotation may not be correct but the meaning should be.
But supposing the poet used the doubling words like “Akelaa Akelaa Tha” then the whole meaning would be changed.
The Hindi film language and literature certainly have improved the state of the language in the early many films. The writers like Kidar Sharma raised the standard of the language used in the films of the New Theatres. Similarly Diwan Sharar helped Raj Kamal and K.A. Abbas also kept RK lovable.
In England post Beatles the professors of languages and public media found the Beatles songs as alluring as that of Dylan Thomas and Byron. Recently pop songs writer Bob Dylan was given Nobel Prize the same as Ravindra Nath Tagore got in his early youth.
So my pitch is why Filmy Hindi should not be taught in the Indian schools?
Shalan Lal
P.S. ref:Song number 18 “Daga,daga Vai, vai
The word “Vai” doubled means immediate punishment is required. The word also means “what a daring? As well. From the “Urdu Hindi Dictionary published by Uttear Pradesh. Tandan House, Luknow, 1959
Pandit Santoshi wrote to create comic effect in the film “Sargam 1950 a character who would double the name e.g. Babu-Babu Bhai or Raja Raja Rajakumar etc.
Shantaram’s Shakuntala 1943 had first opening song:
“Pyari Pyari Ye Sukhad Maatrubhumi Apani” written by Ratan Piya music by Vasant Desai
The song was to defy the British 1942-1946 censorship law.

124 AK April 11, 2017 at 12:07 pm

Nice songs.

Shalan Lal,
Thanks a lot for your generous praise. I would not give my article such a lofty position as a teaching material. The theme comes from the fact that Hindi (and as it turns out, other South Asian languages) has this unique feature of repeat words occurring inseparably. Why it is so in our languages and not in English/European languages is a matter for serious academic research.

In the film songs, repeat words are of different kinds: one is those which are commonly used together, the other is using for the sake of fitting in meter. Yet, the third kind is nonsensical words, or what Mr Mankad has described as embellishment in the context of ‘vai vai’. Therefore, there was another approach possible to categorise the songs. Rather than POS, one could have categorised in terms of the kind of use

125 arvindersharma April 11, 2017 at 6:06 pm

Let me present some of the best of transitional era duets with the repeat words, and by transitional era, I mean the era of late forties and early fifties, when the composition style went through a change, keeping melody intact, and the instrumentation becoming more pronounced.
Five songs at a time, for safety

Sudhi teri madhur 2 from Malti Madhav by Sudhir Phadke and Lata MD Sudhir Phadke
The lovely song was introduced by Venkataraman Ji a few years ago

Baar 2 tum soch rahe ho from Girl’s School by Shankar Dasgupta and Lata MD Anil Biswas

Ho kaale 2 baadal chaye Piya from Apni Chaya by Shamshad Begum and Mukesh MD Husnlal Bhagatram

Bolo 2 sajan from Thes by Rajkumari and Mukesh MD Snehal Bhatkar

Dhire 2 Dil me samaya from Husn Ka Chor by Shankar Dasgupta and Sandhya Mukherjee MD Husnlal Bhagatram

Will continue…

126 arvindersharma April 11, 2017 at 6:32 pm

Five more

Chhip 2 kar mat dekho ji Bhanwar ji from Man Ki Jeet by Bharat Vyas and Sitara Devi (assuming as no information was there) MD SK Paul

Dekho hara 2 ban from Bhookh by Anil Biswas and Shamshad Begum MD Anil Biswas

Saawan ki ghataao dhire 2 aana from Aage Badho by Khurshid and Rafi
With a Debonair Dev in the song

Kehte Hain Gyani…A lovely Heer style prelude by Shankar Dasgupta followed by Asha singing
Dhundhla 2 armaan hai

Kisi ko kya khabar hamare dil par
Kya 2
Guzarti hai 3 from Bhai Behan by Prem Lata and Mukesh MD Shyam Sunder

Will be back..

127 Ashwin Bhandarkar April 11, 2017 at 6:44 pm

Got to listen to this song from Baji Rao Mastani for the first time earlier this evening while driving back from work:

‘Latpat latpat/Pinga’:

Could not help thinking that it must have been inspired by this lavni from V.Shantaram’s classic, ‘Amar Bhupali’:

‘Latpat latpat tujha chaalan’ (Lata/Vasant Desai)

128 ksbhatia April 12, 2017 at 6:29 am

AK ji ;

Coming back after a break due to break down of my computer . After fine tuning I think I have to restrict posting maximum of five songs as Arvinder Sharma ji is doing . So no risk is anticipated .

116. Jaagi jaagi akhiyon ke sapno mein ….Rafi….Biwi aur Makaan

117.Ja ja re chanda ja re…..Lata…..Private Secretary

118. Bach bach kahun sach sach……Geeta Dutt….Farishta

119.Jhoom jhoom ke…..Geeta Dutt…..Coffee House

120.Jhuka jhuka ke nigahen …..Mukesh, Asha…..Miss Coca Cola

….to be contd…..

129 N Venkataraman April 12, 2017 at 6:44 am

Thanks for uploading the song “It was love, love, love, love, love alone”. I have heard Harry Bellafonte before, not this number. There are a number of Carmen Miranda’s songs with words repeated in succession. Like
I, “Yi, Yi, Yi, Yi I, Yi, Yi, Yi, Yi ,I”,
E olha o bambo de bambu, bamboo,
Cai cai cai cai eu no vou te leventar,
Co, Co, Co, Co, Co, Co, Ro
Chica Chica Boom Chic
Tico Tico no Fuba
Chico Chico from Puerto Rico

Unlike Hindi film songs most these repeat words in these songs (I think in Portugese) were mainly for embellishment, emphasis or for fitting the meter.

I present one of them by Carmen Miranda from film That Night In Rio (1941)
Cai cai cai cai
eu no vou te leventar
Cai cai cai cai
quem mandou escorregar?

Fall Fall Fall Fall
I won’t help you get up
Fall Fall Fall Fall
Who told you to slip off?

130 ksbhatia April 12, 2017 at 6:46 am

In continuation…..

121.Chalo Chalo chale hum ….Rafi , Shamshad…..Alibaba and 40 Thieves

122.Dekho Dekho hazoor…..Rafi, Shamshad…..Alibaba 40 Theives

123.Har zubaan ruki ruki…..Geeta Dutt….Baaz

124.Bheega bheega pyar ka samaan….Rafi, Shamshad…..Saawan

125.Basti basti parbat parbat gaata jaye…..Rafi….Railway Platform

……to be contd…..

131 N Venkataraman April 12, 2017 at 7:05 am


Thanks for the further additions. Bhatiaji is back with a bang. We are looking upto you to give Bhatiaji a semblance of competition. Few more additions from my side;

Saaqi Saaqi Dil Bujh Hi Gayaa Hai Sine Men by Zohrabai Ambalewali, film Geet (1944), lyrics D N Madhok, music Naushad

Piya Milan Ko Jane Wali by Amirbai Karnataki, film Dev Kanya (1946), lyrics ?, music Shyamsundar

Jiya Mora Bal Bal Jaye Re by Amirbai Karnataki, film Room No. 9 (1946), lyrics Nakshab Jarchvi, music Rasheed Atre

Phir Badal Ghir Ghir Aaye Re by Raj Kumari and Zohrabai Ambalewali, film Gaon (1947), lyrics D N Madhok, music Khemchand Prakash

Miya Ji Chori Chori Mulaqat Na Karo by Zohrabai Ambalewali, film Parda (1949), lyrics Swami Ramanand Saraswati, music Sharmaji

Namaste ji, namaste ji by Mohammed Rafi, Shamshad Begum and Zohrabai Ambalewali, film Naach (1949), lyrics Nazim Panipati, music Husnlal Bhagatram

132 ksbhatia April 12, 2017 at 7:28 am

N Venkatraman ji;

Thanks for reminding the Carmen Miranda song from ….That Night in Rio [ 1941 ] . As they say this song was very popular during 40s for one more reason and that is the typical outfit and dress wore by the dancer ; specially the hat which carried quite a number of fruits as decorated items.

Bollywood was not far behind in copying the best of Hollywood and came up with two songs , one in 1943 picturised on Vyjyantimala’s mother in one tamil movie and the other on Bhanumati in Mangla [1950] movie . Both the songs qualifies for this post and is placed in a single video.

126, 127….suno suno pyare,…..I yi yi yi ….shamshad [ both songs]

128.Jaiyo, Jaiyo sipahiya…..Shamshad , etc……Nishan [1949]
[ This song has some parody reminder of folk songs too from bengal , pajab, gugrat etc…]

129.Kabootar aaja aaja re…..Geeta Dutt….Mangla[1950]

130.Thandi Thandi raat mein….Shamshad….Saawan Ayaa Re[1949.]

….to be contd…..

133 Shalan Lal April 12, 2017 at 10:01 am

AK @124
Parts of the two top songs:

Girls, Girls, Girls Sung by Salors

black or white
add a little bit of moonlight
For this intercontinental romance.
Shy girl
sexy girl
they all like that fancy world
a gentle song and a slow dance.
Who makes it fun to spend your money
Who calls you honey
most every day.
Girls – Girls

“She loves you Yeas, Yeah Yeash” Written and sung by the Beatles”
“Oo, she loves you, yeah, yeah, yeah
She loves you, yeah, yeah, yeah
With a love like that
You know you should be glad
With a love like that
You know you should be glad
With a love like that
You know you should be glad
Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah”


134 N Venkataraman April 12, 2017 at 11:08 am

You have sent my loose ball crashing into the sight screen for a boundary. Hats off.

A few more songs from the fortys,
Prabhu ji, prabhu ji pahale paanv pakhaarun byAmirbai Karnataki, film Bharat Milap (1942), lyrics Pt. Indira, music Shankar Rao Vyas

Bairan Nindiya Kyun Nahi Aaye Kyun Nahi Aaye by Amirbai Karnataki, film Pujari (1946), lyrics Wali Saheb, music Hansraj Behl

Raat andheri raat andheri chamke tare chamke tare, by Zohrabai Ambalewali, film Dak Bangla (1947), lyrics D N Madhok, music Naresh Bhattacharya

Bolo Ji Dil Loge To Kya Kya Doge by Shamshad Begum and Md. Rafi, film Patanga (1949), lyrics Rajinder Krishan, music C Ramchandra

135 AK April 12, 2017 at 11:47 am

Arvinder Sharmaji,
#125, 126: I am catching up with the songs posted by all the readers after some lag. Chhip chhip kar is too good. These are the songs which need to be downloaded and preserved lest YT take them off.

#127: Nice connection you have discovered. There is another connection I can’t help mentioning. Whenever there are two leading ladies, Sanjay Leela Bhansali can’t resist the temptation of having them dance together. He did the even in Devdas in violence of Sharat Chandra with the ‘item’ number Dol re dola re dola re between Madhuri Dixit and Aishwarya Rai. Incidentally, this also happens to have repeat words.

136 AK April 12, 2017 at 12:04 pm

KS Bhatiaji,
With songs flowing from your bat thick and fast, I am taking time to catch up. The links of #116, 126-127 seem to be some other songs. But don’t worry. I was familiar with the first song, and the others I have heard on YT. Your #122, 129 and 130 are very good. #129 is especially sweet because of the piccturisation.

#133: Seems good. Can you please give the link of the song.

The song Prabhuji gives me goosebumps. The kevat(s) is overwhelmed with devotion. There is a male voice too. Any idea who it is? Bharat Milap is also a landmark for Amirbai Karnataki, at par with Sindoor and Bhartrihari. There is a song in the same vein I have been looking for many years. It is the scene of Ram’s marriage, and the mother(s) are singing Mora lalana nahlaao ji. Can you or someone please help in locating that song. I have heard it once and fell in love instantly.

I also immensely liked Jiya mora bal bal jaye.

137 arvindersharma April 12, 2017 at 3:56 pm

Venkataraman Ji and Bhatia Ji,
Enjoyed your additions and especially the vintage songs. Each one is a real gem and have added to my playlists with thanks to both of You.
AK Ji, thanks for your encouraging words and I can assure you that each one of my songs have been carefully handpicked, as I am especially inclined towards melody, at times even sacrificing some.
Venkataraman Ji,
Chasing Bhatia Ji is akin to a two wheeler in persuit of a Mercedes on the highway, so let’s have a song out of it and forgot competition .
Would be back again and once again, thanks for the beautiful Songs.

138 ksbhatia April 12, 2017 at 5:52 pm

Venkatraman ji, Arvinder Sharma ji , AK ji ;

Thanks for the time to time encouragements ; and that boost my confidence to stick to my wicket and face some more overs.

No No No there is no competition . We all are riding a vintage 1932 prefect ford car , the likes of one seen in Chalti Ka naam Gaadi and enjoying free ride …..singing our heart out with its theme song…..Babu samjho ishaare , horn pukare pom pom pom . I think this song qualifies the test .

Ak ji , The link to song #116 is correct . The song start like …..Jaane kahan dekha hai …followed by Jaggi jaagi akhiyoan ke sapnoan mein …
The link to songs #126,127 , however , are wrong and the correct link is

Suno suno pyaare…, …I yi yi yi

……to be contd…..

139 ksbhatia April 12, 2017 at 6:24 pm

Coming Back with some more songs….

131. Amma Amma maien kisko pukarun….Lata….Bahut Din Huye

132.Do Do haath….Asha, Rafi….Sharabi

133.Kadam Kadam Dil Se dil….Manna dey , Mukesh etc…Char Dil Char Rahen

134.Jis pyar mein yeh haal ho us pyaar se tauba tauba…..Rafi, Mukesh…Phir Subha Hogi

135.Ruk Ruk chamke…..Rafi….Pehli raat

….to be contd…

140 ksbhatia April 12, 2017 at 6:39 pm

In continuation….

136.Rafta Rafta woh hamaare…..MK, Asha….Hum Kahan Ja rahe Hain

137.Suno suno jaane man….Rafi, Asha….Baat ek raat ki

138. Mori payal khul khul jaaye…..Rafi, Asha….Grahasthi

139.Bar Bar tujhe kya samjhaye….Lata, Rafi…..Aarti

140. Maarenge kas kas ke baan….Asha, Rafi…..Jashan

….to be contd….

141 ksbhatia April 12, 2017 at 6:56 pm

In continuation….

141. Suniye Suniye hamara fasana….Rafi, Geeta….Sindbad Ki Beti

142.Dekho jhoomti jhoomti barsaat,…..Rafi, Asha…Mastani

143.Bheegi bheegi shaam……Geeta Dutt…..Sindbad Ki Beti

144.Pyar koi kam kam kare…Asha, Rafi….Khiladi

145. O matware saajna chala chala mera pyar….Asha….Faulad

146.Chori chori chandni mein…..Rafi, Asha….Mahasati Savitri

… be contd.

142 ksbhatia April 12, 2017 at 7:09 pm

In continuation….

147. Meri veena tum bin roye sajna sajna sajna…..Lata…Dekh Kabira Roye

148.Kat te hain dukh mein din pehlu badal badal ke…Lata…Parchaiyen

149.Rula Kar Chal Diye ek din….chaman ro ro ke kehta hai…..Hemant Kumar….Badshah

150.Nagri nagri dware dware dhoondun re ……Lata…..Mother India

…..coming up shortly after break….

143 Hans April 12, 2017 at 7:57 pm

I think after joining so late and reading so much genuine praise of the write-up, there is no point in attempting it myself. I would say Arunji (comment 24) has put it best, when he said he forgot the melancholy mood after going through a family death situation. Another person who forgets his pains as a result of such glorious posts by AK and other guests is Bhatiaji. He busies himself in the search for songs and consequently is, at least temporarily, relieved of his back pain.

For me, this topic – besides the songs – took me to my early memories of pre-middle classes. In those days at least, there was a great emphasis by hindi teachers about purity of the language. They told us that twice use of the same word was wrong and they would call them निरर्थक शब्द. Since my father had lot of books, I would read them and I found a lot of these words in the writings of the greatest of hindi writers, after some time I found the courage to ask the teacher about that. His explanation was that the poets mostly used such words for the rhyming or meter requirements. As for the prose writers he called them exceptions and told us not to follow wrong principles. I was not convinced, because there was a lot of use of such words in daily use and found the use meaningful also. But, I did not debate the issue with him because firstly I did not have knowledge enough for the purpose and in those days in schools teachers were supreme.

Now AK’s post has brought back the subject. These repeat words not only convey meaning but also different meanings in different contexts. Let us take chalte-chalte for example. These words have different meaning in ‘chalte-chalte mere ye geet’ (chalte chalte – kishore) and ‘yun hi koi mil gaya tha sare rah chalte-chalte’ (pakeezah – lata). But that is not all this chalte-chalte conveys another meaning in the song ‘badi der bayi-2, kab loge khabar more raam; chalte-chalte mere pag haare aayi jeevan ki sham.’ (basant bahar – rafi)

Even chal-chal, of which chalte-chalte is the modified form, conveys different meanings in ‘chal-chal re musafir chal’ (pooja -rafi)’, ‘chal-chal-chal mere hathi’ (hathi mere sathi – kishore) and ‘o pagle-2 der na hogi palchhin ki, ke jis din chal-chal-chal hogi’ (kinare kinare – rafi,usha)

But, this is not true in every case. See the use of jab-jab in different songs and I have always found it to mean almost the same thing. There are a number of songs which use jab-jab in mukhda and I would mention a few of them.
1. jab-jab phool khile – shikast – talat/lata
2. jab-jab tumhen bhulaya – jahanara – lata/asha
3. uden jab-jab zulfen – naya daur – rafi/asha
4. husn jab-jab ishq se – neend hamari khwab tumhare – rafi/asha
5. jab-jab apna mel hua to dil – mahua – rafi
6. mujhe jab-jab baharon ka….kal chaman tha – khandan – rafi
7. jab jab bahaar aayi – taqdeer – rafi

I have enjoyed the songs posted by all my fellow readers. Bhatiaji, Sharmaji, Venkatramanji are all regulars and Bhandarkarji has also been contributing a lot these days. But, the surprise packet is from Peddaduji and they are all my great favourites.

144 mumbaikar8 April 12, 2017 at 8:12 pm

I cannot resist myself from saying “E tu, Brute”

145 AK April 13, 2017 at 3:50 am

Your comment is very enlightening. The theme does call for linguistic analysis. Thanks and congrats. Just proves that Dhoni even at no. 6 can dazzle.

146 D P Rangan April 13, 2017 at 6:27 am

Amidst all these song showers which are on tempest scales, a raindrop from me. Am grateful to the veterans for this act of mercy. This song struck me just now.

Buzdil (1951), Shailendra, S D Burman Lata Mangeshkar

Jhan jhan jhan payal bhaje

147 D P Rangan April 13, 2017 at 6:52 am

Should have included one more song very well rendered by Manna Dey and almost similar to the one from Buzdil.

Geet Govind (1947) Manna Dey, Lyrics Pandit Indra Chandra, Music Gyan Dutt
Jhan jhan payaliya bhaje

148 D P Rangan April 13, 2017 at 7:01 am

Jhan jhan payaliya bhaje

This seems to be a popular theme amidst singers, both film and classic. Raag Nat Bihag to be confirmed by Subhodji. Here is a collection of songs of about 6 minutes duration.

149 D P Rangan April 13, 2017 at 7:16 am

Please pardon me for my act of intrusion. I discover one more song on this Jan jan payale bhaje sung by the doyen Amirbhai Karnataki for the film Chand Tara (1945), lyrics Swami Ramanand Sarawati, Music Gyan Dutt

150 Praveen April 13, 2017 at 7:21 am

I did a search, but I think this song has been missed by the stalwarts

Kare Badra tu Na Ja Na Ja

Apologies if it has been already mentioned

151 Praveen April 13, 2017 at 8:10 am

And here are two more – by C Ramachandra

O Dilwalon dil ka lagana acha hai par Kabhi Kabhi

Gore Gore Mukhade Pe Gesu Jo Chaa Gaye

Coming to think of it CR would have more of such stuff – given his inclination towards fun songs

152 ksbhatia April 13, 2017 at 8:37 am

D P Rangan ji ; @146 onwards ,

Your innings with ….jhan jhan jhan payaliya baje ….is a great tourney . Finding all the songs at one place is a pleasure to listen to them . I am new to Amirbai Karnatki song from Chand Tara and enjoyed listening to it.

153 ksbhatia April 13, 2017 at 9:01 am

Praveen ji;

Nice additions of CR’s funny songs from Patanga . Keeping me in my high spirits.

Hans ji;

Thanks for your concern on my health issues . Yuo will be glad to know that I am relieved of my back pain and hope the numbness issue of my feet will also follow suit . I am regular in my outings and take rest in between . So no problems.

Your affair with Hindi reminds me of my elder brother ,[ that you knew of him very well ,] was very enthieu about hindi . Out of some challenge among his colleagues he sat for some departmental exam for selection of Hindi officer and stood first and got the post . Needless to say he was the mentor of interest in hindi film music for all of us in the family.

Liked your detailed comments on chal, chal ; chalte , chalte songs .

154 Peddadu April 13, 2017 at 9:08 am

AK ji @136,
The link you were looking for (‘lalane nahawaoji’ from Bharat Milap) is given below:

I am listing 3 more songs:
Kadam kadam badhaye ja Chitalkar Ramchandra Samadhi 1950 C.Ramachandra
Kadam kadam badhaye ja Rafi-others Bada Bhai 1957 Shauqat Dehlvi AKA Naashad
Haule haule jhooleho jhoole Lata(?) Bahut Din Hue 1954 BS Kalla &

155 N Venkataraman April 13, 2017 at 9:44 am

Going through the write-ups of SoY in its 7th year, I find this post, if we go by the number of comments posted till now (150+), to be the second most popular one. Only “Kuchh to log kahenge” had attracted more comments (227). Shalanji and Hansji have embellished this post with their enlightened comments. Bhatiaji, after completing his 150, has taken fresh stance. With Hansji, Arvinderji, Ranganji, Peddadugaru and others to give you company, you will not run out of partners. Expecting you to complete your double century before the innings comes to an end. Let me contribute a few.
Rut anokhi pyar anokha tera mera sath anokha aao sajanva chupke chupke aao sajanva chupke chupke by Zohrabai Ambalewali, film Har Har Mahadev (1950), lyrics Saraswati Kumar Deepak (?), music Avinash Vyas

Lelo Lelo Phuldani Lelo by Shamshad Begum, Zohrabai Ambalewali and Md. Rafi, film Jadoo (1951), lyrics Shakeel Badayuni, music Naushad

Gaao Taraane Man Ke Ji, Chham Chham, by Shamshad Begum, Md. Rafi, Lata Mangeshkar and Shyam, film Aan (1952), lyrics Shakeel Badayuni, music Naushad

Tere Sang Sang Sang Piya Khel Ke Main Rang by Lata Mangeshkar, film Insaniyaat (1955), lyrics Rajinder Krishan, music C Ramchandra

Rimjhim Rimjhim Barkha Barse Nain More Tarse by Lata Mangeshkar, film Tangawali (1955), lyrics Prem Dhawan, music Salil Chowdhury

156 ksbhatia April 13, 2017 at 10:26 am

Continuing with some more songs ……this time with some happy dance numbers from Shankar Jaikishan kitty , my fav. Music Directors . Note the beats , taal, dholak , rhythm , ghoongroo and beautiful orchestra playing in all the songs .

151.Aaja aaja aaja nadiya kinare…..Lata…..Rajhath

152.Bagoan mein baharoan ….najuk najuk kaliyon….Lata…Choti Bahen

153.Cham cham lo suno cham cham…..Lata…Ujala

154.Jhoomta mausam ….yalah yalah dil lai gaiyee…Lata, Manna..Ujala

155.Baat baat mein rootho na…..Lata…..Seema

….to continue…..

157 Praveen April 13, 2017 at 10:51 am

Looks like everyone is racking their brains for rare songs, they are missing out on popular ones. Surprised that this was not mentioned so far

KL Saigal’s Jagmag Jagmag Diya Jala

158 mumbaikar8 April 13, 2017 at 11:41 am

“Going through the write-ups of SoY in its 7th year, I find this post, if we go by the number of comments posted till now (150+), to be the second most popular one. Only “Kuchh to log kahenge” had attracted more comments (227).”
I thought along the same line this morning, as the night is still young and the runs flowing in from so many bats we can expect to go much beyond.

Ksbhatiaji @141
Your song #145 Oh matwale sajna is short, I am familiar with this song, it is not chala chala it is chhalak gaya.

159 N Venkataraman April 13, 2017 at 11:51 am

I am glad you liked the songs Prabhuji Prabhuji and Jiya mora bal bal jaye. Both Prem Adib as Ram and Shahu Modak as Bharat were there in the movie. But I am sure, none of them lent their voice for this song Prabhuji Prabhuji. And the song was picturised on Nishad Raja/ Kevatiya. I can only make a calculated guess. Shankar Rao Vyas himself might have lent his voice. Not very sure. It is difficult to get the singers’ name for vintage films. I think, our most revered and dear Arunji can help us in this regard. Peddadugaru has pipped me in posting the song Lalan nahawaawo ji. But there were more repeat-word songs in Bharat Milap (1942). Jug Jug Jivo Re Jug Jug Jivo Re, Utho Utho He Bharat Tumhaare, Jhananan Jhananan Baaj Rahi Hai, Aayaa Raam Raajy Tyohaar and kal honge raja ram kal honge raja ram. Here is the last song.
Kal honge raja ram, raja ram ram ram re kal honge raja ram, kal ram ram ram re kal honge raja ram
By Kaushalya and Madhusudan, lyrics Pandit Anuj

With Praveenji and Mumbaikarji chipping with their share, Achhe din to aagaye hain for SoY. With our Sarathi Bhatiaji in command (riding his Mercedes Rath), we will touch new milestones, with the slogan “Sab ke saath sab ka manoranjan. We have reached Bharat Milap. Our next destination is Ram Rajya, I mean Ram Rajya of 1943, made by the same team with the same lead casts. Here are some repeat-word songs from this film.

A well-known song
Kuch bol bol bol been madhur madhur kachu bol by Saraswati Rane, lyrics Ramesh Gupta, music Shankar Rao Vyas

Jiya dole jiya dole jiya dole dole dole
aaj jiya dole anand se hamaro
aaj jiya dole anand se hamaro

Jhul tu jhul, jhul tu jhul
jhule me jhul tu jhule me jhul
jhule me jhul lallaa jhule me jhul

Dekho dekho dekho dekho ramrajya me
chahu dish ajab khushali hai
chahu dish ajab khushali hai
sukh sampati se hari bhari is bharat ki phulwari hai
is bharat ki phulwari hai
kahi yagya hawan kahi vesh pathan
gaumata ki rakhwali hai gaumata ki rakhwali hai
hare bhare hai khet ann jal mile sada bhar peth
jhumati dali dali hai jhumati dali dali hai

With the advent of Ram Rajya there should be Anand hi Anand everywhere.
Hey anand bhayo re
hey bhayo re, hey bhayo re hey
anand bhayo, are anand bhayo re

Let us move from Treta Yug to Dwapara Yug.
Here is a classical number by Pt.Jasraj, Aaj to Anand Anand.
Aaj to Anand Anand
Puran Brahma Sakal Ghat Vyapak
So Aayo Grah Nand
Garg Parasar auru Muni Narad
Padath Veda Shruthi Chhanda
Om Puranamadah Purnamidam Purnaat Purnamudachyate,
Purnasya Purnamaadaaye Purnamevaavashishyate.
Harijeevan Prabhu Gokula Pragata
Mithe Sakala Dukha-dvanda

Now who will deliver us through Kali Yug? Akji?

160 Shalan Lal April 13, 2017 at 12:57 pm

AK @ 136

The Beatls’ first two Albums were very popular in the early sixities.

The Sailors single appeared late sixties and early seventies and it bacame a runaway success and ever since it had been used by many including mighty Elvis Presley as well.

At present there is a discussion in the media and pop culture that the “Beatles ” should have been given Nobel Prize.

There is still hositlity between fans of John Lennon and the fans of Paul Macartney. In certain way I think Paul is far too superior as the lyricist but as the destroyer of the Beatles he has to carry the can.
The songs I quoted were from my own collection and memories.

However you should find them on the Internet.

Shalan Lal

161 Shalan Lal April 13, 2017 at 1:09 pm

Hans @143

I totally agree with the view you presented and I am glad AK felt to agree with it as well. Your description of the “Teaching ethos” at the time was very good and how the authoritative teaching held back many good creative writers at the time and held theprogress of the language. We really have to thank the Fimly writers and lyricists to move forward with the langauge and time.

Thanks agian for bringing in the issue.



The singing voice in both Ramrajya and Bharat Milap both in Marathi versions as well of that of Manna Dey. We had one 78RPM record of Ramrajya and Manna’s name was there.


162 AK April 13, 2017 at 5:36 pm

Peddadu @154,
God bless you! And to think that I have been struggling for this song for three years! YT search at times behaves whimsically. I was missing it probably because the song starts with Rani Kaushalya kahe.

Venkataramanji @155,
Le lo le lo phuldani le lo: Naushad inspired by C Ramchandra?

I feel honoured that I have to deliver the faithful through the Kaliyug. Kaliyug is about uninhibited enjoyment of pleasure. Can anything beat:
मस्ती भरी रात है
सोनी कुड़ियों का भी साथ है
जीने का ले ले मज़ा
डरने की क्या बात है
ना ना ना ना ना रे ना रे ना रे

Na na na na na re na re na re by Daler Mehdi from Mrityudata (1997), lyrics Sameer, music Anand-Milind

In case you are shocked by the permissiveness, here is a monogamous song. Mika Singh has great respect for our culture and traditions with unparalleled intensity of love:

Dhinka chika dhinka chika
Dhinka chika dhinka chika re

Baarah maheene me baarah tareeke se tujhko pyar jataaunga re
Dhinka chika dhinka chika re

Baarah minute bhi lagta hai ab na tere bina rah paaunga re

January mein jab aayegi winter
On kar lenge chaahat ka winter
February jitni chhoti rajaai
Jisme karen hum chhuppam chhupaai

The song goes on to describe similar intense love for each month of the calendar. I have not heard such literal ‘Barahmasa’ in our classical/semi-classical repertoire.

Dhinka chika dhinka chika by Mika Singh and Amrita Kak from Ready (2011), lyrics Ashish Pandit, music Devi Sri Prasad

Shalan Lal,
We know Manna Dey sang in Ram Rajya (1943), but I doubt if he sang in Bharat Milap (1942). The unknown voice does not match with his.

163 Hans April 13, 2017 at 8:38 pm

I am glad you have recovered from the back pain and I am sure the numbness will also go because that also comes from the back.

Your elder brother was a very dear friend of mine. We shared many common interests including music and films. He introduced me to European language films and he had an endless stock of quality jokes. He told me how closely knit your whole family is. I felt very sad when you conveyed the news of his demise. I would have loved to meet him once more before that. I and my wife often talk about him. I still have the video cassette of Phir Wohi Dil Laya Hoon which he presented to me. This I intend to preserve as memory or our friendship.

We liked many songs and this common liking I share with you. One other common interest between you and me is the love for the red cherry. I also opened for my team. I agree with you that the willing or natural openers have always an advantage in Indian cricket where there is a natural fear for the red cherry. Players like Sachin who opened in shorter version due to the white ball and limits on bouncers could not dare to open in the Tests. i joined my school team before I was 14 as a bowler and in that year came at number 11. As it happened, I was never dismissed at no. 11 in that year. So, when the openers of our school passed out the next year, I was offered the openers’ job which I gladly accepted. As only our higher secondary school and the only college in the town had cricket teams, there was a lot of inter-action. At that time our school’s hockey, cricket and kabaddi teams were superior to the college team. So when I went to college next year, the established seniors tried to play down my role by offering me to bat at no.6 or 7 for the sake of middle order stability. I simply told them that I would be in the team only if I open and face the first ball always.

164 Hans April 13, 2017 at 9:50 pm

Thanks for the compliments. You have declared Bhatiaji’s song 145 as short, but that starts with ‘o matware saajna’ which is repeated twice. Look at ‘badi der bhai’ which I mentioned in my last post. It has also repeat words ‘badi der bhai’ at the start, though chalte-chalte also appears in the second line of mukhda. You can enjoy two more songs in this category from Faulad, ‘yaad tori aayi main to chham-chham royi re’ (one of the sweetest songs sung by Asha and GS Kohli excels his guru OPN) and ‘ jane jana yun na dekho’

Thanks for the compliments. The idea of the teacher came into my mind, when you mentioned the dialogue between OM Prakash and Dharmendra, because that teacher’s first example was ‘khade-khade’. This film Chupke Chupke is one of the most favourite films of mine, because of the theme. This film has also another unique achievement to its name. This film was broadcast by DD to dissuade people from venturing out during the period of the solar eclipse which occurred on Feb. 16, 1980. The Indian Govt declared half day holiday also on that day. The streets of Delhi looked as if there was curfew on that afternoon, though the eclipse was only partial.

Regarding linguistic analysis, I think the lyricists of the golden era require to be analysed better. In fact, I believe that the great lyricists have an important role in making it the golden era and there were a number of them. Persons like Rajendra Krishan had multi-faceted roles. He wrote the stories, scripts, dialogues besides lyrics. Padosan, for which you gave credit to KK, was entirely his creation. In that film there was a dialogue uttered many times by Agha ‘jab-jab jo-jo hona hai, tab-tab so-so hota hai’. A number of repeat word songs created by him, have already been listed by others. Padosan is also a storehouse for repeat word songs out of which only one ‘main chali’ has been listed. Rajendra Krishan created the comic effect with a number of repeat words in the songs ‘ek chatur naar’, ‘kehna hai’ and ‘meri pyari bindu’. Even the most famous song of the film ‘mere samne wali khidki’ contains repeat words ukhda-ukhda in the second line of the mukhda. ‘Bhai battoor’ is also repeat word song.

You declared song 108 by Bhatiaji as not fitting the theme. I think that is not correct. Because if that is the criteria then ‘isharon isharon’ may also go out. Look at the mukhda of ‘mama o mama’ from Parvarish sung by Rafi and Manna Dey. Though this song qualifies on the basis of repetition of the word mama, the word to take note of is ‘chakkar’. It goes thus ‘gharwale khayen chakkar, aisa hai apna chakkar, chakkar men tum nahin aana or pyare mama. You see chakkar has been used thrice here and it has a different meaning at every place. Hasrat Jaipuri, who was the lyricist has shown great creativity here. Such creations should not be ignored for a technicality. Enjoy the song:

As it is very late today, I will continue the discussion and also post some songs tomorrow.

165 AK April 14, 2017 at 1:59 am

You have again uplifted the discussion. Very nice observation about Padosan. Unfortunately, lyricists were also among people who remained relatively behind the curtains.

#108 by KS Bhatiaji. If we make it unrestrained, it is true we might lose some good songs. But including such songs misses the underlying linguistic uniqueness of repeat words which are so peculiar to our languages. You have youself carried forward discussion on these lines. But my caution was more a gentle leg pulling of our respected senior. 🙂

Chham chham royi re is also my great favourite. I also like Mama mama O mama re agreat deal. When I was seraching for the songs for ‘The Great Indian Family’, that was one of the few songs I could find for maternal uncle.

166 Hans April 14, 2017 at 12:31 pm

Thanks for the support and the concern for our language despite living in a foreign country. I highlighted the general approach to Hindi teaching, but their were sensible people also. During my govt service I spent about 8 years in the Official Language Department under the Ministry of Home Affairs. Functioning of that Department summarised the approach to the language. One school of thought wanted only sanskritised Hindi and they were even against use of Urdu words most of which had origins in the local languages. People with the other extreme thought wanted to allow the use of English words in Devnagari script. The middle path people hoped for a language which is beautiful and it does not lose its originality. When I came to Delhi in 1977, I had in mind the propaganda that south indian people opposed Hindi. But, in Delhi I found it otherwise. What to talk of Hindi, even regional languages are losing ground and the people do not have the same pride in their language. One of my classmates from the small town, who actually came from a village objected to my four year son speaking in Haryanvi. I told him frankly that my son would first learn to speak Haryanvi, then Hindi and then English or any foreign language. After this he stopped socialising with us, fearing that this would spoil the language of his children. In 1977, a number of my panjabi friends talked in panjabi in mutual conversation, but after about 15 years they stopped that practice. Bhatiaji would testify this. The same is the case with other regional languages.

Hindi cinema was also not left untouched and there was call for use of shudh hindi. But, better sense and commercial interests soon won over the movement.

167 Hans April 14, 2017 at 3:38 pm

Before I move on to the discussion, let me say something about dazzle of Dhoni. There is no doubt, he is a good player, but I am not impressed with the present propaganda and remember past performances also. I had earlier given my views about Ashwin and Jadeja. For me little master is only Sunil Gavaskar, who faced the best of pace bowling without a helmet and without the bouncer limit rule and the ball never even brushed his scalp. Compare him with Sachin, who wears the helmet and gets struck on that helmet at the rate of half a dozen times per year from bowlers with less than half of the capability of the bowlers from the Sunny era.

You must remember, there was the Lords Test in 1990, where India needed 454 to save the follow on. India were 348 for 6 when Kapil Dev arrived at the crease with India still needing 106. Kapil scored an unbeaten 77 from 75 balls. After Azhar got out at 393, he took the score to 430 with More. Fraser then dealt a double blow when he dismissed More and Sanjeev Sharma in three balls. Narendra Hirwani, whose batting prowess was well known, somehow blocked the last ball of that over. Now Kapil Dev knew he has to do it on his own and that too in the next over. He blocked the first two balls perhaps to get hold of the nerves and dispatched the next balls straight for sixes thus avoiding follow-on. That is called dazzling display. He scored 8 hundreds in Tests despite him being the main strike bowler, 3 of them on foreign soil (one each in England, South Africa and West Indies). Dhoni just scored one hundred in Pakistan, if we can call it foreign soil. Remaining 5 of his tons came in India on pitches which were blatantly manipulated and against a much lesser opposition. Kapil had much better strike rate than Dhoni in both Tests and ODIs.

Coming to the discussion. I would have appealed to you to take back your diktat on ‘bam chike’ posted by Venkataramanji, but you have already posted ‘dhinka chika’. Why I wanted you to include such songs was because some nonsensical lines have made great impact as repeat songs. Take this song ‘beta dar mat dar mat dar mat’ from Bhai Behan.
This song is pure repeat word song and one of the best, but what I want to highlight is its last antara which goes like this नाचो डिंग डिंग डिंग डिंग डारा, गाओ ता रा रा रा रा रा, बोलो गिटमिट – ३, ले लो हमसे ख़ुशी का परमिट. Now some may call it nonsensical but it creates a great impact joined with Johny Walker’s acting. Another song that comes to mind is ‘aa gup-chup gup-chup pyare’.
This song is also in its mukhda itself a repeat word song, but the real impact comes from the words which accompany the song at the start and between the antaras. What to say of the meaning, I have not been able to fully understand the words.

You posted Daler Mehndi’s na na na na na re. Why this one when we have our own most popular songs from the SOY era. Bhatiaji has already posted at least one such song from Aar Paar. I will post 3 more.
Na na na re na na hath na lagana – taj mahal – suman and meenu
Na na karte-2, pyar tumhin se – jab jab phool khile – rafi and lata
and the Rafi-Lata duet from Aradhana ‘baghon men bahaar hai’ which was the most popular song from this film. It starts with Lata chanting na na 8 times in her sweet voice and also ends likewise.

168 AK April 14, 2017 at 4:35 pm

Your knowledge of cricket too is impressive.

About ‘Na na na na na re’ and ‘Dhinka chika’, perhaps you didn’t notice the context. It was Venkataramanji’s discussion about Treta and Dwapar and requested if I could deliver salvation in Kaliyug.

169 ksbhatia April 14, 2017 at 6:13 pm

Hans ji AK ji ;

I am really enjoying the discussions that is going on . I can make a statement here….. that who loves music loves sports too . And Those who play sports are good listeners to good music too. But , as Oprah says , ….Be thankful to what you have ; you will end up having more . Prayers always bring surprises .

Hans ji , Thanks for the nice words written about my elder brother . We will share some more of the hidden talents of my other brothers [ Yes we are seven brothers and two sisters ] when we meet next .

So far I think all of us have posted some very fine songs which are mostly from B & W era . I am going to continue to post some more of them till they are exhausted . Then upon I shall be back with some songs from colored eras . If there is a break , assume that my computer is not cooperating .

Continuing with some more melodies of Shankar Jaikishan.

156. Iile bili lai la din hain pyare pyare….Lata…Kali Ghata

157.Humse na poocho koi pyar kya …hans hans ke…Lata…Kali Ghata

158.Jhoome jhoome dil mera…..Lata… Poonam

159.Tera jalwa jisne dekho….sochte sochte sawera ho gaya…Lata..Ujala

160.Sun le mere payaloan ke geet sajna……Lata …Sasural

to be contd….

170 ksbhatia April 14, 2017 at 6:26 pm

….in continuation…..

161.Bakkad Bam Bam Bam baaje ghonguroo…..Lata….Kathputli

162.Suno ji suno hamari bhi suno…..Mukesh…Ek Dil Sau Afsane.

163.Aayi aayi raat suhani….Lata….Poonam

164.Jab jab phul khile……Lata, Talat…..Shikast

… be contd.

171 mumbaikar8 April 14, 2017 at 8:08 pm

I declared song # 145 short citing Bhatiaji’s words
“O matware saajna chala chala mera pyar….Asha….Faulad”
You have shifted the post from chhalak gaya mera pyaar to ooo matwale sajana comparing it to badi der bhaee badi der bhaee, personally I think these two are not comparable because in bada der bhaee throughout the song when the phrase is used it is repeated while oo matwale sajna is repeated only once in the beginning, seems like some musical liberty:). This is my opinion the higher authority can the take the decision if it is important enough:)
Song from Dil deke dekho phrase repeated plus each antra starts with a repeat word.

172 mumbaikar8 April 14, 2017 at 8:13 pm

AK in his comment said ‘Even if we take 20% as the memorable songs, 10% of that, i.e. 2% of the approximately 45000 songs up to the Golden Era would have repeat words. Thus we are talking about close to 1000 memorable songs that should have repeat words.”
I think he has underestimated the power of memory of people like Gaddeswarupji. I was surprised to see him pull out these ( female singer and duet in particular) songs from memory. Shocked by memory power I would estimate around 2000 songs and with Hans twitching the rule I can stick my neck out and say we can double it up that is 4000.
“gaddeswarup March 30, 2017 at 9:57 am
Best songs of 1948: And the winners are?
More by what I remember than by examining the whole collection:
Best male playback singer: Mukesh, Gayeja geet , Mela
Best female playback singer: Greta Dutt, O..O Ban Ke Azad Panchhi, Hua Savera
Best duets:45. Ayi gori Radhika Brij mein bal khati – Meena Kapoor & Neenu Mazumdar
Best music director: Naushad, Mela”

173 mumbaikar8 April 14, 2017 at 8:21 pm

Chupke chupke is one of my favorite too it is next generation that is my children’s favorite too.
The dialogue आके आके खड़ा हुआ हूं was regular in their conversation it so happened recently that my son was standing behind my back, I asked him what are you doing? his answer was आके आके खड़ा हुआ हूं we burst into laughter suddenly batti jal gayi oh this can an interesting idea for SOY. The other dialogue that was used mockingly was ‘हूँ ना नहीं हैं ना “
Chupke Chupke rom (2. 03 to 2.05)
I had this movie on VHS and whenever my sons’ playfulness would turn violent (raising two boys is a mighty task) I would turn this movie on to calm them down.
The other movie was Chalti ka Naam Gaadi.
Two songs on this theme from Chalti ka Naam Gaadi. One more title song was mentioned by Bhatiaji
My sons’ favorite songs till date
Yane yane yane pyar ho gaya, manu tera hua ab mera ya hoga
Paanch Rupaiya Baara Aanaa

174 raghavan vasudevan April 15, 2017 at 3:05 am

Bhatiayaji, Like you I am also a SJ fan. You have missed so far
nas nas mein agan tuto hai badan from the film Jaha Pyar mile sung by Lata

175 Ashwin Bhandarkar April 15, 2017 at 9:03 am

A few more:

1. ‘Mausam mausam, lovely mausam’ by Sulakshana Pandit/Anwar from Thodisi bewafai (MD-Khayyam/Lyricist – Gulzar).

2. One more from the Khayyam/Sulakshana Pandit combo – ‘Ang ang rang chalkaaye’ from ‘Sandhya’.

3. ‘Gun guna rahe hain bhanware’ from ‘Aradhana’ (Rafi-Asha/SD/Anand Bakshi):

4. ‘Gali gali mein kiya re badnaam’ from ‘Hanste Zakhm’ (Asha/Madan Mohan/Kaifi Azmi):

5. ‘Chori chori koyi aaye’ from ‘Noorie’ (Lata-Nitin Mukesh/Khayyam/Naqsh Lyallpuri):

176 Ashwin Bhandarkar April 15, 2017 at 9:04 am

Correction – ‘Chori chori koyi aaye’ is a Lata solo, not a Lata-Nitin Mukesh duet.

177 Shalan Lal April 15, 2017 at 9:56 am

Hans @166

It is pity that in India the discussion about good Hindi, pure Hindi, Punjabi Hindi, Urdu Hindi, UPian Hindi, Deccani Hindi, Lucknow Hindi, bengali Hindi, Mharashtrian Hindi and so on still goes on. I hardly know the difference between Hariyanvi Hindi and Punjabi Hindi. And it does not matter to me.

Whateve they are they all are sweet to me.

About twenty years or so back Vaijayanthi Mala was main guest to go down the memory lane of her films.
The inteviewer probably a Delhi Hindiwalah asked her how a Tamil person like her spoke so well in Hindi without any accent?

She remarked that her mother was Hindi Pracharini in Madras! She picked up good Hindi from her mother tongue!

Shalan Lal

178 ksbhatia April 15, 2017 at 11:18 am

Raghavan ji ;

Good to know you are SJ’s music fan too. The song from …Jahan Pyar Mile is in my mind . So far it is being kept pending , as many of theme songs from colored era’s are waiting ; banging their doors to get themselves included . Here are a few more of SJ songs…..

165. Holi aayi pyari pyari…Lata, Rafi….Pooja

166.Matwaali naar thumak thumak…..Mukesh…Ek phool char kante

167. Tera mera pyar amar…Lata…. Asli Naqli

168.Le gaya le gaya dil legaya….Lata…..Badshah

169.Do din ki zindgi mein ……Lata…..Poonam

… be contd.

179 Hans April 15, 2017 at 6:55 pm

I have listened to numerous praise songs, but none can beat these lines from the song ‘zikra hota hai jab qayamat ka’ from My Love, composed by Daan Singh, written by Anand Bakshi and immortalised by the unique voice of Mukesh.

तुझको देखा है मेरी नज़रों ने, तेरी तारीफ हो मगर कैसे,
के बने ये नज़र ज़ुबाँ कैसे, के बने ये ज़ुबाँ नज़र कैसे,
ना ज़ुबाँ को दिखाई देता है ना निगाहों से बात होती है

When praising somebody like your brother, I find myself in the same situation. If I had the writing ability of AK, my praise would have looked nicer. Our friendship was not an ordinary one. And yes, he had told me about nine siblings and your Vasant Vihar Bungalow and many other things.

Regarding your wish to exhaust the repeat songs, I would say it is likely to remain unfulfilled. They are not going to be exhausted even if the whole SOY team post double tons.

180 ksbhatia April 15, 2017 at 7:30 pm

Hans ji ;

Thanks for your shower of praises for my brother who truly was a multi disciplined in many fields that attracted many like minded people from all walks of life . I can imagine the excellent time that you must have spend together sharing your own great knowledge with him . Every one getting entertained by his live jokes was another great feature he excelled in .

You are right , the more I intend to hurry my closing of B & W period songs the more I get myself surrounded by them . I think it is sure to overtake 200+ stone . Poor colored era songs may have to wait for more time.

To keep the score board ticking , here are some more…..

170.Chori chori dil ka lagaana….Talat, Asha…..Bada Bhai

171.Mera maan jhoom jhoom laheraiye….Talat, Asha…For ladies Only

172.Dil jhoom jhoom laheraiye….lata…Chandrasen

173.Kadam Kadam pe baharien lootata….Rafi , Lata…Madam XYZ
[ another beautiful melody by Chitragupt.]

174. Soi Soi chandni hai….Lata….Khazana

… be contd.

181 Hans April 15, 2017 at 8:18 pm

Sorry I did not see the context. But, first I should apologise to Venkataramanji, for not looking seriously at his post, because otherwise he would take a revenge on me by not looking at my posts, which without an exception are lengthy ones. My only defence is that it was late when I opened the site and I had to post my comments. So I took a cursory look and finding that he has given lyrics in detail and having no time to listen to the songs I moved on.

Regarding cricket I would endorse Bhatiaji’s views. You are also a tennis player. In that field I am perhaps an exception, because I gained quite a good level in many games like hockey, badminton, chess and table tennis. In cricket also I was an all rounder, did informal coaching, organised tournaments, and umpired a lot. After I took VRS in 1998, I had gone back to Charkhi Dadri. In the winter of 1999-2000, Kargil Benefit match was organised in which a number of Delhi-based cricketers like Chetan Sharma, Sehwag, Maninder Singh, Ajay Sharma participated and I umpired in that match.

I have so much interest in sports perhaps, because my father was a very good hockey and chess player. He met the great Dhyan Chand when he was studying law in Delhi University. Dhyan Chand was a simple man and he came one day to university grounds. The players there requested him to show his dribbling skills and he agreed though he was in his late forties and out of practice. My father told me that when the great man started his dribbling, all the players present their – and they were 14-15 of them – tried to dispossess him but failed. After about 10 minutes, he got fed up and scooped the ball with such power and finesse that the ball was lost. When they praised him, he just said that ‘saans chadh gaya tha warna aur khelta’ and walked away.

Continuing with music and particularly Rajendra Krishan, music lovers know that he had a long association with CR. Albela was a comedy like Padosan. See his specialisation in using repeat words for comic effect.

‘O beta jee’
‘shola jo bhadke’
‘sham dhale’
‘mere dil ki ghadi’

I am not posting ‘bholi surat’ which also falls in this category, because I want to post ‘baabdi boobdi bum bum’ from Khazana, which is a unique song in this category and will highlight his specialisation of repeat word songs. If I post more than 5 the comment would go into moderation. I have a request to make here. Can we not have the old arrangement of allowing 10 songs in one go.

As we see Rajendra Krishan maintained the high level of writing such songs after 17 years in Padosan though CR had gone out of fashion by then.

RK also wrote lyrics for Azaad which also has a number of repeat word songs and I will only list five from that film because of the five link limit. Here are they:
1. radha na bole – lata
2. aplam chaplam – lata and usha
3. ja ri ja ri o kari badariya – lata
4. o baliye o baliye chal chaliye – lata and usha
5. dekhoji bahaar aayi – lata

182 Hans April 15, 2017 at 9:45 pm

I agree that the treatment of ‘badi der bhai’ and ‘o matware saajna’ is different. The MDs repeated the mukhda just after the antara in different ways. Sometimes they would repeat the first line, sometimes the first few words and in rare cases even the last lines of the mukhda. That is the difference between these two songs. I first entered a theme when AK posted Mukesh’s Dil songs. There he posted the song ‘ye mera deewanapan hai’ which did not have ‘dil’ in the mukhda, but he specifically mentioned that ‘dil’ is present in the aalaap before the song ‘ dil se tujhko bedili hai’. I posted a long list of Mukesh songs with ‘dil’ in it. After having a cursory look AK said that some of them do not seem to fit, basic reason was perhaps he thought there could not be so many ‘dil’ songs. When I persisted, he listened to the mukhdas and agreed that all did fit in the theme. Ever since I have understood that if the theme is present in the mukhda or aalaap it is acceptable and have followed that. I myself take every care to post only eligible songs. You must have seen that when their was so-called medal race going I had defended those who posted against the objections raised. I have come to the defence of Bhatiaji in the same sense. I believe that those who post songs are all mature people and know what they are posting and the readers are also mature people and they can choose what to like and what not to like.

Here I would present a different case. There is a song ‘ye dil diwana hai’ from Ishq Par Jor Nahin. Look at the wordings of the mukhda. The whole of the mukhda uses just these four words except using ‘to’ at one place. The mukhda goes ये दिल दीवाना है, दिल तो दीवाना है, दीवाना दिल है ये दिल दीवाना. Do you not consider this a great artistry of lyrics by Anand Bakshi. And what a composition from SDB too and the great rendering by two of the best singers makes it a great mukhda. I think any music lover can go on listening only the mukhda again and again.

Or take the case the two greatest of bhajans from Baiju Bawra ‘o duniya ke rakhwale’ and ‘man tadpat’. Both these songs start with ‘bhagwan’ (repeated thrice) and ‘hari om’ (repeated four times), respectively. Rafi chants these words only at the start and not again. Would you place the songs in repeat word category or not. In both these songs these words have great impact, the word sung in a different way each time. In fact this ability of Rafi to sing the same words or lines differently separates him from others and takes his repeat word songs to a different level. I would even put ‘khuli palak men jhutha gussa’ in this category because the song is preceded by ‘jara theharo jara theharo, sada mere dil ki jara sunte jana’, because I love to listen to this line before the song.

These were examples of Rafi speciality at the start. Now look at his art while rendering the same words at the end. The song is ‘roshan tumhin se duniya’, where he sings ‘salamat raho’ at the end.

You mentioned ‘dil deke dekho’. This film has a horde of repeat word songs. ‘Bolo bolo kuchh to bolo’ has been mentioned already by somebody. I list some others below. Re-listen to them and enjoy.

1. ho megha re bole ghanan-2, pawan chale sanan-2, payal bole jhanan-2
2. hum aur tum aur ye sama kya nasha nasha sa hai
3. rahi mil gaye rahon men
4. kaun ye aaya mehfil men
5. bade hain dil ke kale ye neeli si ankhon wale
6. yaar chulbula hai, haseen dilruba hai
7. rock rock baby rock, do ekam do do duni chaar

Regarding Chupke Chupke, I think the theme combined with dialogues and the sense of timing of comedy by all the actors made it the wonder film. How about the dialogue ‘jitna jisam bada hai utna dil bhi bada hai’ with the accompanying scene. In fact each dialogue is unique. And does anybody know anything about the dialogue writers. In contrast, look at Javed Akhtar, who had half share in copying scenes from here and there and he (alone not his partner Salim) gets Padma Bhushan and a number of awards. He also got Sahitya Akademi award, I dont know for what.

183 Hans April 15, 2017 at 9:54 pm


I think, different Hindis is not the problem of Hindi alone. We have different English also. English English, American English, Australian English, South African English, West Indian English etc. which mostly denote a different accent.

Regarding Vyjyantimala, I think the interviewer was innocent. Look at other South Indian actresses. They never mastered Hindi. The Bengali stalwarts like Suchitra Sen and Sharmila were never comfortable in delivering hindi dialogues. Vyjyanti was perhaps a rare breed. Even looks wise she did not appear southerner. She was very comfortable in dances of every region. In fact, of the great actresses who were also dancers, I rate her the best.

184 mumbaikar8 April 16, 2017 at 1:41 am

I think bhatiaji is the Kabira of SOY and have said so, many times, I would never think of offending him, but I would not agree with you that as we are mature and adult we cannot post wrong, everyone is prone to mistake, in “Best songs of 1948: And the winners are?” I posted Aag song by Meena Kapoor as Suraiya song, I am glad Arunji corrected me. I believe in “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you” if I think something is not right I try to correct it, I can be wrong but if convinced otherwise I stand corrected.
I consider yeh dil diwana hai as Lata Rafi’s one the best.

185 gaddeswarup April 16, 2017 at 11:37 am

This thread reminded of Telugu song in which the phrase is not repeated immediately but comes a few times in the song each time, somehow so modulated that it expresses a different feeling such as a question, then expressing anxiety, soothing and agitation. This might have been already discussed somewhere. The expression is ’emanene’ meanig ‘What did she say?’ in a Ghantasala song. There must be similar instances in Hindi songs too.

186 Ashwin Bhandarkar April 16, 2017 at 4:34 pm

1. ‘Dhitang dhitang bole’ from ‘Awaaz’ (Lata/Salilda/Prem Dhawan)

The Bengali version by Hemantda:

Not sure which came first – the Bengali or the Hindi version. Maybe SSW can throw light on this.

2. ‘Kuhu kuhu bole koyaliya’ from ‘Suvarnasundari’ (Lata-Rafi/Adinarayana Rao/Bharat Vyas)

‘Hayi hayiga’, the Telugu original by Ghantasala & Jikki:

187 Ashwin Bhandarkar April 16, 2017 at 4:40 pm

‘Jai jai shivashankar’ (Lata-Kishore/RD/Anand Bakshi) from ‘Aap ki Kasam’:

188 ksbhatia April 16, 2017 at 6:35 pm

Hans ji ;

Wow !! So interesting your posts are ….You must come out with some article based on music and sports or comic songs of CR . Your experiences with so many sports stalwarts playing in cricket field and you umpiring the game is a proud moment for S o Y . So , a big jollywood hurray hurray to you .

As you said earlier , there is no end of this theme songs and posting many of them may fail under microscopic view . For that Faulad song here is a substitute from Jagte Raho….

Main koi jhoot boleya….Koi na bhai Koina Rafi, Balbir

189 ksbhatia April 16, 2017 at 7:16 pm

Ms. Mumbaikar 8 ;

My wife is laughing over the change of my name from Kulbir to kabira . She is teasing me as if I have been awarded some Raibahadur ship . After a thought she says original Kulbir is fine but for SoY Kulbira is acceptable .

My wife is deeply religious . We have Guru Granth Sahib in our house and listening to gurubani is our daily….. peace prayer for all [ Sarbat da Bhalla ]. She is M.Com topper from Himachal University and retired as principal from school of Delhi Admn after serving for many years . She is active listener to my collection of classical indian and western music ….particularly instrumentals . Listening to western instrumentals are a must for both of us during evening for two hours atleast . After dinner is the time I usually devote to SOY .

Still continuing with my batting for some more runs / songs….this times batting for beautiful melodies of Salil Da…

175. Meri wafayen tumahari jafaiyen……Asha…….Amaanat

176.Haye jhilmil jhilmil….Lata, chorus [Very unique]…Lal batti

177. baanki adaayen dekhna ji dekhna…..geeta dutt….Amaanat

178.Jhanana jhanana baaje….Lata….Chand aur Suraj

179.Chhal chhal paani …..Asha, manna dey…..Amaanat

to be contd…..

190 ksbhatia April 16, 2017 at 7:27 pm

Hans ji ;

Bhagwan , Yakub and Gope were the great comedians who fits into compositions of C Ramchander in perfection modes . Well popular numbers are many and listening them again and again is untiring .

Here is a duet from CR camp which I think is different….

180.O Hasina O Hasina sambhal sambhal ke….Geeta, CR…Saaqi

to be contd…..

191 Hans April 16, 2017 at 8:40 pm

Rest assured I am not blaming you for offending and Bhatiaji is also not taking that otherwise. We should all point out mistakes because our combined effort is to improve SOY and to present correct info for readers. But, this in my view is not the matter of mistake but of perception. If Bhatiaji, had named the wrong singer or the wrong film, then it would have been a mistake. Since you said I am twitching rules, I tried to explain the rules that I see. And gave examples of some songs in which the repeat words never appeared again. I also gave the example of ‘ye dil diwana hai’ to show that this song is repeating the words but is not qualified as repeat word song for the purpose of this post. You see I had even presented my views when AK objected to song 108 and also to his views on ‘nonsensical’ words.

I mean this much and nothing more. I still think ‘o matware sajana’ as repeat song. I think criteria should not be changed for this thread and when in earlier theme threads the only requirement was the presence of the theme in the mukhda or aalaap preceding it, that should be followed here also. If we have a serious look Bhatiaji might have posted about 5-6 songs which do not have repeat words. I would give an example from the most recent postings. The song is ‘sunoji suno hamari bhi suno’. This song does not fit if we strictly apply the rule though the word suno is used many times.

I will conclude with posting a song ‘main pagal mera manwa paagal, paagal meri preet re; paglepan ki peer wo jane bichhde jis ka meet re’ which is a better candidate for being disqualified from being a repeat word song on the analogy AK applied to ‘nazar nazar’ at no. 108. Although the song uses ‘paagal’ and ‘paglepan’ beautifully. More and more such lyrics should be discussed, because they are better creations of this kind than some songs which used ‘sun-sun’ or ‘dheere-dheere’ type of simple repeats.

192 mumbaikar8 April 17, 2017 at 1:04 am

I am happy I made your wife laugh, most of the times I make people growl.
I truly mean what I said, you are कबीरा खड़ा बाजार मांगे सब की ख़ैर.
Instrumentals are not my cup of tea I am as ignorant about instruments as about Ragas, I like lyrics and can relate more with lyrics, and wrong lyrics draw my attention much faster.
One Kabira doha for you in our theme

193 mumbaikar8 April 17, 2017 at 1:09 am

I knew bhatiaji would not take it otherwise I wanted to clear any doubts.
I disagree with you once again when you say it is not the matter of mistake
I corrected bhatiaji on a matter of mistake, the disagreement with you on “ooo matware sajna “ is matter of perception.
I have no problem with nazar nazar , in fact here it not just a tukbandi but makes more sense, for bhatiaji that song should be counted because even if AK disallows nazar nazar there is another repeat word nayi nayi.
Same thing apply to this song from Bhabhi ki chudiyan tum tum se hi ghar ghar kahlaya
The impact of repeat word in Leela’s tum na aaonge kabhi piya ………piya the second time amplifies the grief not just twice but multiple times.

194 AK April 17, 2017 at 4:18 am

Mumbaikar8, Hans,
Sorry for butting in in your conversation. If the point is that #108 should be counted for another repeat word ‘nayi nayi’, that is a valid point. But if it is argued that uses like ‘nazar nazar se kah rahi hai baat pyar ki’ should be counted, that deviates from the concept of repeat words.

195 ksbhatia April 17, 2017 at 6:42 pm

AK ji ;
I totally agree with you . Nazar of one person telling nazar of second person ; so these are separate words and can not be repeat words as you also pointed for sangam song….dost dost na raha . Good Umpiring ! !

Batting continuing as long as my computer is working….

181.Jhoom jhoom ke naache manwa….Surender Nath….Kamal

182.Dilwale Dilwale Jal Jal ke marjaana…..Uma Devi…Natak

183.Jhir Jhir Jhir Badarva…..Lata, Hemant…..Parivar

184. Mila hai kisi ka jhumka , hare hare….Lata…..Parakh

185.Aaha rim jhim ke pyare pyare…Talat, Lata….Usne kaha Tha

… be contd….

196 ksbhatia April 17, 2017 at 6:58 pm

….continuing with some more songs….

186.Tum bin sajan barse nayan jab jab badal barse….Rafi, Lata…Gaban

187.Mohabbat chikani chikani hai….Shamshad….Phooloan ke haar

188.Jaldi jaldi na karo….Shamshad….Phooloan ke haar

189.Jhum jhum kar door gagan….Madhubala jhaveri , Davendra …ditto

190.Chhoon chhoon baaje payal mori….Lata….Humlog

to be contd……

197 ksbhatia April 17, 2017 at 7:16 pm


191.Chali ja chali ja chalija….Lata…..Humlog

192.Gaye chala ja gaye chala ja ek din…..Lata and others…Humlog

193.Bogi bogi bogi yo yo yo….Shamshad, and ?…….Humlog

194.Hulla gulla laila hulla gulla….Satish batra, Rafi, shamshad…Dholak

195. Chuk chuk chaiyan……Manna dey…..Lal Batti

to be contd….

198 ksbhatia April 17, 2017 at 7:41 pm

Computer still working , posting some more from the vintage eras…..

196. Jogi mat ja mat ja…..Jhutaika Roy…Meera bai Bhajan

197.Dil dekar dard liya maine maine…..Jagmohan….Private

198.Yeh raatein ..Yeh raatein ye mausam yeh hasna hasaana…Pankaj Mullick…..private.

199. Ye kaun aaj aaya savere savere….Pankaj mullick…private

…..and extending my respect to all the vetran singers of the past and listeners of SOY family with the marvelous singer of the 40s with this beautiful song…..

200…Yun na rah rah kar humehen sataiye aaye ajaye aa jayeeye……MASTER MADAN

…and the brilliance of songs will carry on and on and on…..

199 AK April 18, 2017 at 12:40 am

KS Bhatiaji,
Cogratulations for your double ton.

200 N Venkataraman April 18, 2017 at 10:07 am

I was wondering which one will come first, the comments touching the 200 mark or your double century. Congratulations on completing your double century. Bhatiaji, take fresh guard and get ready for another century. With such a good batting pitch and yourself in great form, you should carry your bat. Akji says there are at least 1000 memorable songs that should have repeat words. Mumbaikarji says she would estimate around 2000 songs and with Hans twitching the rule she assures us that we can double it up that is 4000. With plenty of opportunity to score let me give you company at the other end scoring intermittently.

Kuch Kuch Hone Laga by Asha Bhosle and Shamshad Begum, film Dhake ki Malmal (1956), lyric Jan Nisar Akhtar, music O.P. Nayyar

Ashwinji has already posted a song from Suvarna Sundari (comment 186). Here is one more.
Mujhe na bula chhup chhup chhaliya re mujhe na bula by Lata Mangeshka, film Suvarna Sundari (1957), lyrics Bharat Vyas, music P Adinarayan Rao

Akji had mentioned one song and you have posted three more songs from the film Phagun. Here is one more.

Ja Ja Re Ja Chhod De Kalaai by Md.Rafi and Asha Bhosle, film Phagun (1958), lyrics Qamar Jalalabadi, music O P Nayyar

Bol Bol Bol Bol My Little Dove by Md.Rafi, film Baap Bete (1959), lyrics Rajinder Krishan, music Madan Mohan

Bhigaa Bhigaa Pyaar Kaa Samaan by Md.Rafi and Shamshad Begum, film Sawan (1959), lyrics Prem Dhawan, music Hansraj behl

I hope all of them would fit the bill.

201 Shalan Lal April 18, 2017 at 11:16 am

Hans @ 183

I agree about the ” No blame” about the various languages making differences in particular Hindi in India. I am sure within the main 18 or so Indian languages spoken in India similar what is pure Marathi or Pure Kannad and so on must be going on.

My point is in spite of this purity hundreds of people become successful in their business or work or life in general.

In Britain presntly there are people from many nations of Europe and also from the world and they all work and enjoy life talking in English with their own accent. Of course once upon a time only Oxbridge accent was accepted. Now the world is your oyster.

Yes, many Bengali and also Marathi actreses like Sandhya did not feel comfrtable in Hindi. But perhpas they loved their own languages so much that made them uncomfotable in any other language.

But Lata M and Asha B were very good in other languages as well.

I see many Indians find it difficult to talk in English when they meet. They resort to their own langauges or talk in broken Hindi.

Too much love for something is always undoing of the person.


202 N Venkataraman April 18, 2017 at 12:17 pm

Yes, the orchestration and the composition are un-Naushad like. Possibly inspired by CR. I can recollect one more such song,

Dil Dhadak Dhadak Dil Phadak Phadak by Md.Rafi and Suraiya, film Dastan (1950), lyrics Shakeel Badayuni, music Naushad

What is the meaning of the word “Wupi”.

Ta Ra Ri Aa Ra Ri Aa Ra Ri, Ye Saawan Rut Tum Aur Ham Ta Ra Ra Ra Ram from this film was posted by Bhatiaji.

203 SSW April 18, 2017 at 1:17 pm

Ashwin @186
The Bengali version by Hemantda came first. Salilda composed the tune and wrote the Bengali lyrics himself two years before the release of the Hindi film Awaaz.
Notice how the Awaaz tune starts like a lavani before moving into a different slower almost Caribbean rhythm. A third version of the song came in Malayalam much later which had its own differences in the orchestration. Its worth following the drums in each of the versions. The rhythmic impulses are completely different in each case.

204 AK April 18, 2017 at 6:13 pm

“Whoops of joy”. Dastan ofen comes to mind for Naushad unlike Naushad.

205 ksbhatia April 18, 2017 at 6:22 pm

AK ji , Venkatraman ji ;

Thanks for your wishes and your encouragements from time to time means a lot to me .

Yes, the songs of Phagun carried many paired words and I think O P N scored quite a number of such songs compared to others . SJ and Chitragupt were a close call for him to compete .

Bol Bol Bol my little dove is an interesting repeat of kaun yeh aya mehfil mein ……from Dil Deke Dekho . I think Usha Khanna scored over Madan Mohan , though both the songs are exact replica of hollywood vintage song ……stand by me my diaana .

Its a fun to hear Naushad composing song like ….Dil Dhadak Dhadak…in Dastan . Another of Naushad song that was fun to watch and hear is from Dil Diya Dard Liya……Kya rangeen’e mehfil hai dildaram o jaane yaram , aye vallah ![ song not related to this theme].

There are certain more song which i still want to post for making up of my wrong , or repeat postings.

201.O O O O baby mudke zara….Hemant Geeta…..Police

202.Din Din Joban dhalta jaaye….Suraiya…Do Dil

203.Aa gaey aa gaey….Suraiya…Goonj

204.Bolo bolo re bhagwan…Suraiya, Shamshad, Amirbai….Sanam

205.Phir nain banware bhar bhar aaye…Suraiya….Do Dil

….to be contd…..

206 mumbaikar8 April 18, 2017 at 7:52 pm

Congratulations on your double century, hope your bat ( your computer) will not spoil the show. Good Luck.

207 mumbaikar8 April 18, 2017 at 9:21 pm

As Hans said this is matter of perception, if we go by how we use repeated in our conversation it may seem deviated but I feel that nazar nazar is used in a poetic way, if a word is used with different meaning or context it fascinates me, this song Sham dhale nadiya I love the way sham is used.(Not repeated word)
I have a question about this jaana jaana song.
I thing in this song first jaana is “dear” and the second one” go”
and not “go go”
I think such unique repeat songs should be awarded bonus points.

208 AK April 19, 2017 at 2:10 am

Sham dhale is a beautiful song. The two ‘Sham’s have different meanings: one ‘evening’, and the other the lover-God Krishna. In Sanskrit/Hindi it is known as ‘Yamak’ alankar (Figures of Speech). Some famous dohas of Rahim have this property, such as Rahiman paani raakhiye, bin paani sab soon, or Kanak kanak te sau guna maadakata adhikaay. I can agree that if someone posts such songs, each would count as two. This is one way to try to compete with KS Bhatiaji. 🙂

‘Jana jana’: I doubt if Manju would use ‘jana’ in the sense of romantic ‘dear’ for her bhabhi. It is more likely ‘go go’. Though meaningless, but the lyricists/MDs had to often resort to such fillers for meter. Hans has gone deep into linguistics. Let us see what he and others have to say about this.

209 Hans April 19, 2017 at 10:37 am

I have some pending replies to some of my dear fellow readers, which I will do later at leisure, but now I want give my views on Mumbaikar8’s post because while looking for repeat word songs where the repeat word came deep in the mukhda, I noticed a special pattern. This pattern is found in the songs where in the mukhda the repeat word appears at the fag end.

When I saw this pattern, I remembered this song ‘jana jana’ from Rattan, but this song uses repeat word ‘kahdo kahdo’ earlier. I would first make it clear that for me ‘jana’ only means going in both instances. Unlike the different meanings of sham in the other song posted by Mumbaikar8. But, this other song is also repeat word song because the word kinare is used twice in the middle.

Now I will preceed with other songs. Many MDs have followed this pattern and in some cases they themselves have added the word to give a special effect to the song. A song with this pattern I had posted earlier from Faulad ‘jane jana yun na dekho, aaj nafrat se mujhe’. In this song the words ‘ho gayi’ are repeated. In Rattan there is this famous song ‘o jane wale balamwa’ in which the words ‘laut ke aa’ are repeated at the end. In the second line of mukhda also the word ‘bewafa’ is used twice at the end.
It seems Naushad was fond of this pattern. He again used it twice in 1949 in Dillagi and Dulari. In Dillagi it was coincidentally Shyam again with Suraiyya in ‘tu mera chand main teri chandani’. Here also the words ‘koi dillagi’ is repeated.
In Dulari the words ‘o saajana’ are used twice at the end of the song ‘chandani aayi banke’

In this category, there are songs of other MDs, but I would make a mention of Ravindra Jain , who gave greatly popular and quality music at a time when many thought that melody was going out of hindi songs. But, even after giving a flurry of hit music and hit films he is not much talked about because he dared to promote singers like Arati Mukherjee and Hemlata.
The first song is from Geet Gaata Chal ‘main wohi darpan wohi’ by Arati
The second is from Dulhan Wohi Jo Piya Man Bhaye’, ‘le to aaye ho hamen’ by Hemlata. Here the word sajna is repeated 4 times at the end.

210 ksbhatia April 19, 2017 at 11:41 am

Hans ji ;
While making explorations of songs with paired and repeated words I came across different sets of songs …

1. which could be as simple as ….sajna hai mujhe sajna ke liye ….Saudagar which I think should not get approval for inclusion in the theme.

2. janu janu re kahe ko …..Insaan jag utha… here meaning goes like…. I know… my dear. So janu janu become different words . But considering them as repeat words the overall song becomes a teaser…. I know I know for whom the bangles are tinkling .

3.In Faulad song I think Jaane jaana are not separate but one word….Jaan E Jaana …..meaning my sweetheart or my dear . Of course the song qualifies for repeat words at the end….hogayi hogayi .

There is one such song from the old film Aurat …..Dard E Ulfat haye Dard E Ulfat choopaoan kahan which certainly qualify on account of its repeat words.

211 mumbaikar8 April 19, 2017 at 11:43 am

Thanks for introducing Yamak. I wasn’t aware of it.
I liked the way sham was used.
Can you please translate the doha and explain how kanak is used with different meaning?
On principle I think I cannot be a contestant in this category.

212 mumbaikar8 April 19, 2017 at 11:46 am

I agree with AK and you that Jana jana meaning is just the same, perhaps it was my wishful thinking.
Does this song fit in your ye dil diwana hai league?
Door papiha bola Suraiya

213 mumbaikar8 April 19, 2017 at 12:01 pm

Ksbhatiaji, @ 210
I think janu janu from Insaan jag utha is just like jana jana in
It is I know I know and not my dear I know.
For me, anyways it is a repeated one with bonus:)

214 AK April 19, 2017 at 5:33 pm

‘Kanak kanak te sau guna maadakata adhikay
Ye khaaye bauraat hai wo paaye bauraay’

Kanak (gold) is a hundred times more intoxicating than kanak (dhatura)
One you need to eat to become crazy, the other makes you crazy by just possessing it.

‘Rahiman paani raakhiye bin paani sab soon
Paani gyo na ubare moti, manush, choon’

Rahim says you must have Paani, without paani everything is lustreless. It is important for men (humility), for pearl (shine) and lime (water).

215 ksbhatia April 19, 2017 at 6:23 pm

AK ji ;

Great going sir !!….
kaanch koi maati koi
raang bherange pyaale;
pyaas lagi dono baraber
jis mein paani daale re …. ganga aaye kahan se
ganga jaaye kahan re….

216 Ashwin Bhandarkar April 19, 2017 at 6:56 pm

SSW@203: Thanks for the information. Yes, the transformation within the Awaaz song is delightful!

217 N Venkataraman April 20, 2017 at 11:47 am

From the sidelines I was absorbing the wonderful discussion among the stalwarts (AKji, Yourself, Mumbaikarji, Shalanji) and I have gained little little knowledge. By the way Hansji, I do not have the cheek to take revenge on you. I not only look at your post, but look forward to your post and read them too, even if they are lengthy. Yes it happens sometime we do miss out some comments. That happens with everybody. In fact I have missed two write-ups by our esteemed guest writers this year. I would like to catch-up with them very soon.

Continuing with repeat word songs here are few more from the 40s.

Panchi panchi ud ja, ud ja, ud ja panchi ud ja, ud ja, ud ja by Shital Ghosh(?), film Darshan (1941), lyrics Pt. Indra, music Naushad

Madhoji Madhoji Bharat Me Phir Aao by Heerkumari/Brujmala (?), film Mala (1941), lyrics Balam Pardesi (?), music Naushad

Chalo Chalo Ri Sakhi Madhuban Me by Rajkumari and Suraiya, film Station Master (1942), lyrics Pyarelal Santoshi, music Naushad

Bolo Bolo ha Bolo Bolo Re Sajanva Mai Teri Kya by Nirmala, film Kanoon (1943), lyrics D N Madhok, music Naushad

Bhatiaji has presented a song by Uma Devi form the film Naatak. Here is one more.
Kale Kale Aaye Badarva by Suraiya, film Naatak (1947), lyrics Shakeel Badyuni, music Naushad

218 N Venkataraman April 20, 2017 at 11:51 am

On a lighter note
Thank you Guruji for initiating us with the mool mantra for deliverance of the faithful (read SoY members) in this Kaliyug. Meditation in Satyayug, Sacrifice in Treta Yug, and worship in Dwapar Yug yield desired fruit. Here, as per your pravachan Guruji, it can be attained through uninhibited enjoyment of pleasure. I am not at all shocked by the permissiveness, neither by polygamous songs nor by monogamous songs. Ultimately what counts is love, supreme intensity of love. Sab kuch chalta hai.

The nearest Barahmasa song (not a repeat word song) that I can remember is “Bara Maheene Line Mari ”

Repeat, beat and sound are key to the popularity of nursery rhymes among children. Twinkle Twinkle Little Star, Baa, Baa, Black Sheep, Goosey Goosey Gander, Ring a Ring o’ Roses, Jingle bells etc. Again in Naam Sankirtan we find the repetition of the name(s), taking recourse to Naam. So did many other saints and holy men, like Sage Narad. The most common among them is Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Hare Hare, Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Hare Hare. Thus we find repetition of words or phrases has a great impact/influence, especially on children and common masses.

I came across an article wherein it is stated that songs with repeat phrases are more likely to be successful. According to Researchers/psychologists who analysed five decades of chart-toppers, claim the secret to a smash hit is repeating the lyrics and they found that songs which repeated entire phrases and individual words more often were likely to be commercially successful.

Thanks to you, Hansji, Mumbaikarji, Shalanji for the erudite phonological discussion on repeat words in Hindi language. I was restricted by my limitations in the language and aptitude. It was a great learning experience, especially the discussion on the use of the same word with different meaning- Yamak. I think in English language it is known as Homology. The following song is a good example of this type. Pt. Narendra Sharma’s poetry has simple words and is easier for me to understand. Here he uses the word “ghanshyaam” as a homonym.

Ghanshyam Ke Hai Ghanshyam Nayan by Lakshmi Shankar, film Aandhiyan (1952), lyrics Narendra Sharma, music Ustad Ali Akbar Khan

219 N Venkataraman April 20, 2017 at 11:58 am
220 AK April 20, 2017 at 5:36 pm

Very smart discovery of Yamak in PK’s dialogue. There the difference in meaning is due to intonation. Yamak does not depend on intonation, Ghanshyam was a nice example. Incidentally, the first Ghanshyam is also an example of Bahuvrihi samaas.

221 Hans April 20, 2017 at 6:04 pm

Bhatiaji, (198)
I dont consider umpiring in that match an achievement, but thanks for your good wishes. In fact, I was not interested in umpiring in that match because these type of matches are not serious stuff as you know. Nobody is serious while batting, bowling or fielding or while appealing. In fact very few appeals are made in such matches for the umpire to adjudicate. I wanted to help out my chela who was the chief organiser in organisational matters. He had agreed and had set two persons for the job of umpiring. As one of them did not arrive in time I had to do the job.

At one time when Chetan Sharma was bowling and Ajay Sharma was batting, all the six balls had been bowled and I for a moment forgot to call ‘over’ and he set off to ball. Suddenly the fact came to my mind and I for a moment thought of stopping him but let him go. Ajay Sharma hit him for a six. At this Chetan turned back to me and asked me ‘ye satwin ball thi kya’ (he knew perfectly well that it was the 7th), when I said yes he turned back to Ajay and said ‘ye bol rahen hai ye satwin ball thi’ and both of them and I also were laughing. Once when Sehwag was batting and I was at square leg, he had hit the bowler for two sixes on the fifth and sixth balls. He said to the umpire on the striker’s end “ek ball aur fenkane do main sirji ko ek aur chhakka marna chahta hoon”. The bowler was also interested and the extra ball was allowed. The bowler sent down a wide and Sehwag was showing fake anger and the bowler was laughing like all others.

So there was a lot of fun and we also collected a handsome amount – with contributions from the players themselves – which was distributed among 29 families of martyrs, which belonged to Charkhi Dadri and the neighbouring areas. By he way, Charkhi Dadri is the place where the famed incident of collision of two ill-fated planes happened in November 1996.

222 Hans April 20, 2017 at 6:16 pm

AK, (194)
You all the rights to butt in or head in or score with a left or right footer or even with ‘hand of god’ a la Maradona. Regarding your nazar nazar logic, to which I do not agree, I want to say something. You posted ‘hai kali kale ke lab par’ and Bhatiaji says you do not consider ‘dost dost na raha’ a repeat word song. I was wondering what would happen if we swap the words in both these songs. They would then look like this.
‘है दोस्त दोस्त के लैब पर तेरे हुस्न का फ़साना ‘
‘कली कली ना रही फूल फूल ना रहा ‘

223 Hans April 20, 2017 at 6:49 pm

Shalanji, (201)
Your comments are mostly thought provoking and this is no different. I dont agree that the actresses were deficient in Hindi because of their extreme love for their own language. If that was the case, then they should have served their own language and its people. Take the case of Surinder Kaur, who acquitted herself well in hindi songs, yet she left hindi world to serve the cause of panjabi folk. When she went north, a lot of panjabi films were being made, but she did not sing many songs in those films either. When a person comes to perform on some platform, he or she has to give 100 per cent. Look at Lata and Asha they were Marathi too. but they put in hard work and excelled.

I dont think Sharmila Tagore has any love for Bengali. She always gives her interviews in English and ignores not only her mother tongue but also the language which gave her money, name and fame. She perhaps wanted to look different than other actresses while delivering dialogues, so she kept nursing her imperfection. Look at Lata, she always respects the language which made her and gives interviews in Hindi only, except when she has to talk to some Marathi media person. Look at Dilip Kumar, on the other hand, when listening to him post-retirement one would get an impression that he never knew hindi. He talks only in a highly persianised Urdu and gives interviews only to Muslims. No Muslim, not even Maulvis, Muftis and Imams talk in the Urdu which Dilip uses.

224 Hans April 20, 2017 at 6:54 pm

By mentioning ‘ye dil diwana hai’ I wanted only to emphasise the artistry of the lyricist who used only those 4 words for the whole mukhda and even then it does not fall in the category of repeat word songs.

The song you mentioned is great too and has been the subject matter of a separate post in SOY. But, I feel Anil Biswas could not utilise the full talent of Suraiyya in this song.

225 Hans April 20, 2017 at 7:08 pm

There is also a word कणक which means wheat.
I think in the second doha paani for manush means ‘शर्म या हया’ and not humility which has a different meaning.You would commonly find use of phrases like ‘iski to aankh ka paani hi mar gaya hai’.

226 mumbaikar8 April 20, 2017 at 7:45 pm

Got it! Thanks.
PK ka yamak बड़ा आच्छा लगा.
You have come up with repeated word in yamak, you deserve bonus points for that:)
Missed Johnny Johnny yes Papa in your nursery rhyme collection.

227 mumbaikar8 April 20, 2017 at 8:16 pm

Just as you mentioned Naushad had mastered in using different forms of repeated words.
Dard’s album has minimum three your kind of repeated phrase.
Beech Bhanwar Mein – Dard – Suraiya
Betab hai dil…Dard
Afsana likh rahi hoon…Dard

The amendment is pending in your house

228 Hans April 20, 2017 at 9:15 pm

Bhatiaji, (210 and 215)
Jaan is an interesting word you have mentioned. I also appreciate your sharp memory in remembering the lines from ‘ganga aaye kahan se’ which fit perfectly to the context of ‘paani’ doha mentioned by AK. On this another paani song ‘paani re paani’ (Shor) came to mind and since it fits as a repeat word song also I am posting it.

When the film came Manoj Kumar was criticised for vulgar picturisation, but the lyrics of the song are irresistible. The last antara says ‘waise to har rang men tera jalwa rang jamaye; par jab tu phire umeedon par tera rang samajh na aaye’. Here ‘rang’ has a different meaning at all three places.

Regarding the first point emerging out of your post 210, there are to my remembrance, three words ‘jaan’ meaning life or zindagi or jeevan, ‘jaana’ meaning going and ‘jaanana’ meaning ‘to know’. So many variants of these similar looking words have been used in hindi songs that it seems impossible to count. I agree with Mumbaikar8 that in the song ‘janun janun ri’ both the words mean the same akin to knowing, but in my view this is again a variant. By saying ‘janun janun ri’ she is conveying to her sakhi that she has understood what she is upto which is slightly different to ‘i know’. The word knowing in its ‘janana’ form is differently used as in the kabhi-kabhi song ‘ main janata hoon ke tu gair hai’. जानूँ that you mentioned as my dear was not in use in songs or dialogues of that period and is of recent origin. You may call it in AK’s words as kaliyug ki den. This word as per me does not mean my dear, but means ‘meri jaan’ which means my life. You remember the song ‘meri jaan meri jaan’ from Yahudi. The word ‘jane janan’ used in the Faulad song is a variant of जानेजां which means jaan ki jaan or you can say meri jaan ki jaan. Janeman is also a variant of meri jaan, because ‘man’ also means self or myself. Remember the song ‘zaban-e-yaar man turqi’ from ‘ek musafir ek haseena’, which means mere yaar ki bhasha turqi hai. As this song fits the repeat word theme and has not been posted, I give it here. The song with perhaps the longest mukhda.

Janana meaning to know is used in other forms also. Jane-pehchane or jane-anjane have been used frequently. Look at the song ‘jane kahan mera jigar’. Here he wants to say ‘na jane kahan mera jigar gaya ji’ but na goes out to make a different impact. Na jane is also directly used such as in the song ‘na jane kahan tum the’.

We will again talk about this if it does not go out of mind.

229 Hans April 20, 2017 at 9:23 pm

You are very correct about Naushad. He mastered every form and as he himself was fond of writing poetry, he understood the intricacies and he used to change Shakeel’s lyrics at times and the impact was always top class. For all these reasons he remains a great master.

230 AK April 21, 2017 at 1:52 am

#222: ‘Hai dost dost ke lab par’ would clearly be a valid entry. ‘Kali kali na rahi phool phool na raha’ would be suspect. I would red flag it. I know you have strong objection.

#225: You are right. ‘Paani’ for manush should be closer to ‘dignity’ or ‘honour’ than ‘humility’. Thanks for poiting it out.

231 Raghavan Vasudevan April 21, 2017 at 6:45 am

Seems comments on this posting has no end as songs keep keeping in our mind. Take this case “jhana jhana ka apni payil. This master piece from the film Aashiq proves why SJ’ is a specialist in dance number. Padmini at her best in the dance. I have not gone thro the list – perhaps a mention might have already been made.

232 Shalan Lal April 21, 2017 at 9:57 am

Hans @223

You have boldly and blatantly put the finger on the Filmy world of the tinsel town.

About Dilip Saab and his Urdu nobody understands apart from the scholars of Farsi is a sad effort to gain the respectability of the Muslim world which presently has become uncompressing to the progressive world of the universal humanity. I think he is lost and withdrawn in the present Muslim ethos and also present Indian politics. However one cannot deny him that he had enriched the dialogues and lyrics speaking in the Hindi films.

I wonder why he did not act in a Pakistani film. I have seen him talking about Marathi Bhaavgeet and discussing the subtle meanings of them on a Pakistani programme.

233 AK April 21, 2017 at 10:31 am

Shalan, Hans,
Please spare Dilip Kumar, at least considering his present physical condition. He has been undoubtedly one of the greatest actors. We have all heard his introductory speech at Albert Hall in the LP of Lata Mangeshkar concert. I was also fortunate to hear him live once. He speaks elegant Urdu; yes it does contain difficult words. Many speakers speak highly sankritised Hindi, we don’t bring in religion in this. I admire persons who speak elegant language. Where does Muslim ethos come in this?

234 mumbaikar8 April 21, 2017 at 12:17 pm

Hans, #225
When I read AK’s explanation I interpreted “paani” as “Izzat” .
# 228
I tend to disagree with your explanation of Jaan-e-man I believe it is jaan of my mann (subconscious mind?)

235 Ashwin Bhandarkar April 21, 2017 at 5:15 pm

‘Pyaari pag haule haule’ is a popular bada khayal in Raga Bihagda. Here it is sung by Vijaya Jadhav-Gatlewar.

236 Ashwin Bhandarkar April 21, 2017 at 5:37 pm

‘Jhan jhan jhan jhan paayal’, the chhota khayal in Raga Nat Bihag, has been cited more than once in response to this post. Struck me just now that the bada khayal that is usually sung in this raga is also an example of the ‘repeat word’ phenomenon – its mukhda is ‘Kaise kaise bolat’. Here is a link to a copy of an HMV record of a rendition of both these bandishes by Anjanibai Lolekar.

If I am not mistaken, Yashwant Kerkar, the tabla artiste in this recording, was none other than Kesarbai’s sibling.

237 Ashwin Bhandarkar April 22, 2017 at 3:05 am

One more addition to the ‘jhanana jhanana’ category:

‘Paayal mora baaje jhanana jhanana’, a bandish in Raga Nand, rendered here by Aditi Upadhya (the bandish starts at 20:53):

238 Ashwin Bhandarkar April 22, 2017 at 3:16 am

Main vaari vaari jaaungi’, a drut bandish in Raga Yaman, sung here by Roshanara Begum:

239 Ashwin Bhandarkar April 22, 2017 at 3:28 am

Mallikarjun Mansur sings ‘Dev dev satsang’, in Raga Sawani:

240 Ashwin Bhandarkar April 22, 2017 at 11:48 am

Here is Satyasheel Deshpande singing an old bandish in Gaud Malhar – ‘Jaani jaani tumhare man ki sab jaani’

241 Ashok Kumar Tyagi April 22, 2017 at 1:40 pm

AK ji,
A unique post and very engaging too.
A few comments:
1) Heard the song (song No. 2) – Hai Kali Kali ke lab par – after a long time. In the ninteen-fifties, Khayyam was known for meethi meethi, sahmi sahmi, maddham maddham” tunes. This song shows a different skill of Khayyam.

2) In the 19 songs linked by you, Kaifi Azmi and Majrooh have written more songs than others.
3) Some of my friends held a view that ordinarily lyrics was not highlighted​ as much as music on SoY. In this post lyrics is at the centre.
4) Bhatia Sir @ 45.
It requires much effort and discipline to excel both in study of engineering and cricket (in those days even a friendly match was of 40 overs each team). Regarding myself, whenever I did well in cricket, my score in Physics (Honours) went down and vice versa. Only after getting job in AFHQ Civil Service I could raise my game upto potential.

5) Hay Bhagwan. Yeh SoY blog to mujhe maar hi daalega. I started reading this post at 10 PM. Didn’t know how time flew. It was soon 12.30 AM.

The stroke players of SoY are repeatedly hitting straight drives with ferocious power. The umpire at non-striker end is in great danger.


242 Ashwin Bhandarkar April 23, 2017 at 7:08 am

Keeping with the theme, here is a sub-sub-category: songs about the rains from the oeuvre of Vasant Desai that also display repeat-word usage:

1. ‘Jhir jhir barse sawani akhiyaan’ from Ashirwad–jROL3bMAw

2. ‘Umad ghumad kar aayi re ghata’ from ‘Do aankhen baarah haath’ –

243 Ashwin Bhandarkar April 23, 2017 at 7:26 am

1. Firoze Dastur sang the Raga Lalit bandish, ‘Ghat ghat mein ram ramaiyya’, in the film ‘Bhumika’:

2. ‘Ghat ghat mein pancchi bolta’, the Kabir bhajan, sung here by Veena Sahasrabuddhe:

244 ksbhatia April 23, 2017 at 8:30 am

Ms. Mumbaikar 8 ;

Computer slowed down ; so defensive batting with some left over good songs……

206. Dil mein sama gaye sajan…….Talat, Lata….Sangdil

207. Mazandaran Mazandaran mere watan….talat….Rustom Sohrab

208.Raat ne kya kya khawb dikhaiye….Talat…..Ek gaon ki kahani

245 ksbhatia April 23, 2017 at 8:49 am

Ashwin Bhandarkar ji ;

Thanks for adding classic touch to the theme with beautiful songs . Your song from Do Aankhe Baarah haath reminds me of Do Bigha Zamin song…..

209. Ajab tori duniya……Rafi…..Do Bigha Zamin

246 Ashwin Bhandarkar April 23, 2017 at 9:25 am

‘Paani paani re’ from Maachis:

247 Ashwin Bhandarkar April 23, 2017 at 9:35 am

Another monsoon song, this time from the baton of Salilda. Hopefully AK will not disqualify it on the grounds of the repeat words being ones devoid of meaning.

‘Hariyala sawan dhol bajata aaya’ from ‘Do Beegha Zameen’

248 Ashwin Bhandarkar April 23, 2017 at 10:03 am

A few numbers from recent times:

1. ‘Sajnaji vaari vaari’ from ‘Honeymoon Travels Pvt. Ltd.’

2. ‘Gal mitthi mithi bol’ from ‘Aisha’

3. ‘Mayya mayya’ from ‘Guru’

4. ‘Malang malang’ from ‘Dhoom 3’

5. ‘Kamli’ from ‘Dhoom 3’

Please note how similar the tune for the ‘mere mahiya sanam jaanam’ portion of this song is to the tune of the sthaayi of ‘ ‘Pyaar karne waale kabhi darte nahin’ from ‘Hero’ (

Another song from the past that uses the same shade of Bhairavi is ‘Jeet lenge baazi hum tum’ , tuned by Khayyam, from ‘Shola aur Shabnam’:

249 AK April 23, 2017 at 10:13 am

‘Hariyala sawan dhol bajata aya’ is a riot of repeat words. It is such a gorgeous song I have to overlook the rules.

I have been enjoying your classical additions. The Nat Bihag by Anjanibai Kolekar is an interesting addition with the vilambit too having repeat words. The Gaud Malhar by Satyasheel Deshpande left me with mixed feelings. He is gifted with a very melodious voice. The raga and the bandish are fabulous. But I wish he had cut out the vocal acrobatics and concentrated more on the melody. The bonus for me was that many phrases sounded to me as Durga. I need not repeat that I am completely illiterate in music.

It is a justified complaint that SoY does not give as much importance to lyrics as to the music. I feel some satisfaction when an occasion comes to put the lyrics into focus.

You have made an interesting observation about preponderance of some combinations in my selection. Analysing the hundreds of songs posted by the readers may reveal if some lyricist-MD had greater fascination for repeat words.

250 mumbaikar8 April 23, 2017 at 11:03 am

Had my doubts. You were missing last few days

251 mumbaikar8 April 23, 2017 at 11:06 am

Your last upload is unavailable (where I am?) Can you please name the song.

252 ksbhatia April 23, 2017 at 7:28 pm

Ms. Mumbaikar8;

It all depends upon my computer. Some time it works better like now . So posting some more songs on the theme . Hope they are not repeats as I am unable to check the history. As long as they are good listening to them again is a pleasure.

210. Ek Do Teen aaja mausam hai rangeen….Shamshad….Awara

211. yaad tori ayi re mein to cham cham roi….Asha….Faulad

212.kadam behke behke piya …..lata…..Bank Manager

213.Is duniya mein sab chor chor….Lata…..Bhai Bhai

214.Chale ja rahe hain mohabbat ke …..Manna Dey…Kinare Kinare

This song is really a treat for Manna Dey fans . What a composition and beautiful lyrics .

……to be contd….

253 Ashwin Bhandarkar April 23, 2017 at 7:32 pm

Thanks, AK. You said it – about ‘Hariyala sawan dhol bajata aaya’. It is my favourite rain song from Hindi films, and stands shoulder-to-shoulder with all the other songs, including those based on classical bandishes, in terms of its evoking the feeling of the monsoon.

Wrt your hearing Durga in Goud Malhar, you are very right and here is why. The fount of all Malhars, including Goud Malhar, is Shuddha Malhar, which has the same scale as Durga, but with different notes being emphasized. You can refer Rajan Paarikar’s site for more details. Shuddha Malhar has more-or-less gone out of vogue now. BTW, did you know that just like there was a Doosri Sita, there is a Doosri Durga as well? This is the Durga of the Khamaj thaat and is close to Rageshri. Listen to this Ragamala rendered by Malini Rajurkar in which the name of each raga is used in the text and cast in the notes of the same raga. The Durga in the sthaayi is the Durga of the Khamaj thaat while the Durga of the antara is the Durga of the Bilawal thaat. The list of the ragas are as follows:

Sthayi: Durga (Khamaj Thaat), Jaijaiwanti, Bhoop, Des, Saraswati
Antara: Sohini, Suha, Durga(Bilawal Thaat), Lalit(the shuddha dhaivat variant), Darbari, Basant, Bahar, Bageshri

I will cross-post this on your post on Durga because it belongs there more than it belongs here.

254 Ashwin Bhandarkar April 23, 2017 at 7:36 pm

Mumbaikar8 @251:

I have already named the song – ‘Jeet hi lenge baazi hum tum’ from ‘Shola aur Shabnam’ (1961). The lyrics are by Kaifi Azmi, the music is by Khayyam and the singers are Rafi and Lata.

255 Hans April 23, 2017 at 7:58 pm

#230 – You can red flag it because you have the red flag. But, every red flag is not likely to have public approval, if there is no justification. By reversing the words I have posed a problem and after this the meanings are different, but still you are approving ‘hai dost-dost ke lab par’ because you posted ‘hai kali-kali’, but red flagging the other one. A song ‘sham dhale’ was posted by Mumbaikar8 that had ‘kinare’ repeated with a pause. I am posting two similarly composed songs. Give your opinion on them and tell the reasons also.
1. muhabbat ki bas itni dastan hai – baradari – rafi/lata (word is baharen)
2. mere dil ne jo manga mil gaya – rakhwala – lata

#233 – What connection this discussion has to Dilip’s health condition. Are we abusing him or shouting outside his window. I had mentioned him in some context. For me there is no Muslim question, but if I had to mention the word Muslim, I will not refrain from mentioning it because I have to be politically correct. It is Dilip Kumar who is making it a muslim case by using the farsi words and farsi couplets. To my mind there can be two reasons. One is he feels he has committed some sin as against the muslim world by taking a hindu name for his living and the other is that he wants to show himself as a scholar. To me both reasons are wrong and both are directed at catering to the muslim mind. It is the muslim minds who put arabic and farsi in high esteem, just like the Indians put English in high esteem.

In India there are a lot of people who love urdu and I am one of them. My father was born in British India and he learned Urdu, English and Farsi because in that time these were the languages which were taught and also medium of teaching other subjects. It is another matter that in the state of Panjab, the panjabi language was never taught what to talk of hindi. My father learned hindi very late in life when that language became relevant. He never mixed farsi with urdu. Whenever he told us some sher in farsi, he would translate it in urdu (because he was never comfordable in hindi) and we would understand that. I myself know lot more urdu than sanskrit and can read printed urdu, though slowly. Farsi has no connection with urdu except the script and that some words from it have crept into it. Urdu has more words from Indian languages and bolis and its grammar is basically Indian. If there was any remote connection, that has become remoter after partition, because there is hardly any people to people interaction with that language. That cannot be said about Pakistan. Pakistani people still have that interaction and because of that there is a lot of difference in Pakistani Urdu and Indian Urdu. Not many people know that Ghalib, arguably the greatest Urdu poet, wrote Urdu shayari for the first few years (some say he wrote in Urdu only upto the age of 21) and then he started writing in farsi and returned to urdu only at the fag end of his life. He wrote in farsi for a very long time, but still nobody in India knows anything about his parsi shayari. That will make it clear how foreign farsi is to us. So if Dilip relies so heavily on farsi and if he gives interviews only to Muslims (especially those from Pakistan) then that fact would be told and resented by us who have sworn by his films.

My father was a big fan of his, so I am and so is my son. I have watched almost all of his films. I watched Anokha Milan, particularly because his name was attached to it, though I knew he has a small role. I tolerated Musafir because of him.

You say many people speak highly sanskritised hindi. Can you name any film star of the hindi world who does this. It is the right of every hindi scholar to speak in the language which is his profession. If an urdu poet speaks in the most difficult urdu and studded with farsi words, it is his right, because he is earning his livelihood by that language. But, if a person earned his livelihood from one type of audience and then he tries to address another type of audience, because for him now there is no use for the earlier audience, then the people have the right to object. And he cannot be defended by playing the Muslim card.

Do you think that Urdu in itself is not an elegant language? Does if need the crutches of Farsi to make it elegant?

256 Hans April 23, 2017 at 8:24 pm

Mumbaikar8, (234)
There is no problem in that because such words have very deep meanings. These poets like Raheem, Kabir or Surdas constructed these dohas with a lot of effort and they put ‘gaagar men saagar’. The people who write commentaries on these dohas, explain the dohas in anything from half a printed page to 3 pages. Paani is also such a word. It can be interpreted as ‘charitra’ or ‘izzat’ or ‘samman’. But, I had mentioned ‘sharm’ firstly because that is the meaning used in many sayings or muhavaras. ‘Ankh ka paani marna’ or ‘sharm se paani paani hona’ etc. The other reason is that ‘sharm’ is the most important ingredient for having izzat or developing your character. If you have no ‘sharm’ you are not likely to see that you are losing ‘izzat’. If ‘izzat’ is lost due to some other reason, you can restore it, but if you have lost it as a sequel to being ‘besharm’ then there are hardly any chances. You must have heard the song ‘na izzat ki chinta na fikar koi apmaan ki’. Raheem had written a lot of such dohas. Four of them you can find in this song from Akhiyon Ke Jharokhon Se, starting with his doha ‘bade badaai na karen’ which in fact talks about humility, which was mentioned by AK.

I am also giving here another doha of his, which has a very deep meaning.
रहिमन कठिन चितान तै, चिंता को चित चैत
चिता दहति निर्जीव को, चिंता जीव समेत

On the other matter (janeman), I would only say that you have also used the word mera mann and not mann. Let us say two sentences i) mera man banarasi saadi pehanane ko kar raha hai and ii) mera man kaju ki barfi khane ka hai. When you say this do you mean to say that your subconscious mind would wear the saadi or eat the barfi.

257 AK April 24, 2017 at 6:43 am

There is no dispute about repeat words used idiomatically as a linguistic characteristic of Hindi and other languages. There would be several songs containing such ‘pure’ repeat words. Nonsensical words are another class. Many readers have mentioned those songs. In-betwen are the words like “Dost dost na raha”, or “Nazar nazar se kah rahi hai baat pyar ki”, or some other examples you have given. If some readers strongly feel that these words also qualify, we can always co-exist.

Dilip Kumar-Persianised Urdu-Overt Muslimness:
I would like to leave Dilip Kumar alone. You have made yourself very clear, and I guess I was also clear. Reiterating out stated positions is not going to add anything new.

258 AK April 24, 2017 at 7:20 am

Ashwin, #253
Thanks a lot for your explanation and the beautiful Malini Rajurkar’s link. I am relieved that Durga of Khamaj that is called “Doosri”. In many cases the newer one replaces the real one.

I remeber a concert I had attended with an equally uninitiated colleague. As the singer presented Gorakh Kalyan, we were puzzled, because there was nothing of Kalyan in this, and sounded more like Bageshree. I called Subodh, who confirmed that the name Gorakh Kalyan is a misnomer, and it is actually closer to Bageshree. (These are the times when I rue my illiteracy. 🙁 )

259 ksbhatia April 24, 2017 at 9:47 am

Hans ji;
I understand Maan as a derivative of dwelling in heart , as well as a wish to create or perform . It is s one’s own wish to choose this word according to what is there in his/her mind ; like….Mera mann tera pyaasa…kab hogi poori aasha , ….Maan mein kisi ki preet basaale…. .

Even without using the word maan one can express the hidden feelings like…..dil karta o yaara mera dil kartaa ….., .Ek buut banaonga tera aur pooja karoonga …..and …..Aasha ho ke saawan ho .

Your reference to Kabir , Rahim and Surdas dohas reminds me of a beautiful song [ which was earlier posted by Ms. Mumbaikar in some other article] …..Kabira Nirbhay Raam….from Kaajal .

[ Not related to theme ]

260 ksbhatia April 24, 2017 at 10:04 am

AK ji ;
I totally endorse your views . Dilip Kumar , a living legend , deserve no tags or criticism owing to his vast contribution to hindi film world . Who else can match his dialogue delivery in Mughal E Azam and Gunga Jamuna , the two extreme variants.

261 SSW April 24, 2017 at 2:02 pm

Ashwin, I could not help commenting when you said that you liked “Hariyala saawan dor bajaata aaya”. This is one of Salilda’s earliest recorded compositions, he composed it when he was perhaps 21 or so. He wrote the lyrics of the original Bengali song. Here is a link to a more modern live performance on stage with a voice over by Salilda.

262 Hans April 24, 2017 at 7:51 pm

Forget about Dilip Kumar and enjoy these beautiful repeat word songs.

First riot of words with shabba khair – din sara guzara – junglee
Next riot with rabba khair – tan men agni – laat sahab
Now Rafi kamaal with pyar – de do pyar le lo pyar – pyar hi pyar
Now look at how he pronounces tauba shikan at the end in
Ye teri sadgi – shabnam
Now look at the bhajan ‘duniya na bhaye’ from ‘basant bahar’
‘charnon men charnon men’

He was the master of repeat words as he was of every other thing in singing. Muhammad Rafi was a Muslim – a faultless Muslim.

263 Shalan Lal April 25, 2017 at 10:08 am

Hans @ 255, AK @ 257 and ksbahtia @260

I think the ouvre of Hans is extremely brilliant at this comment and elsewhere. He has marked out the difference between the right to criticise without being intruding the personal space and also had shown the linguistic short comings of the Farasi in the context of Indian subcontinent. His thinking is not muddled up but crystal clear between being a blind fan bending down to devotional level of a person and due credit for the contribution.

In fact his comment writing in this post is very shining like a diamond among the rush of soft words and other ideas in the lyrics, actors acting and how the songs are present on the screen.
We should have quality of appreciation of the rich contribution without other hang-ups about the artists’s successes or failures.

One of the ingredients of the flourishing democratic society is that people’s ability to criticise without favour or coming under the heavy pressure of the mountain of the success of the person who needed to be criticised.

Shalan La

264 ksbhatia April 25, 2017 at 8:10 am

Hans ji ;

A song with repeat words in mukhada and stanzas too.

Yeh albeli pyar ki rahen…..Rafi, Lata…..Dharti

265 Shalan Lal April 25, 2017 at 10:25 am

N Venkatraman @202 and AK @ 204

Venkatramnji “What is the meaning of the word “Wupi”.”
AK “Venkataramanji, “Whoops of joy”. Dastan often comes to mind for Naushad unlike Naushad

I want to enter here in the name of providing some more information about the query of delectable Mr Venkatraman. Whenever he had made comments he often mentioned my name so I think it will be nice to respond when I have got some information in this context.
The original word in the song is as following:

दिल धड़क-धड़क दिल फड़क-फड़क फड़के
फड़क-फड़क नैन फड़क-फड़क नैन फड़कें
ए दिल तू
जादू लगाए
ख़ुशियाँ मनाए जा तरा पम -२
अँखियाँ मिलाए जा
दिल में समाए जा
अपना बनाए जा

dil dha.Dak-dha.Dak dil pha.Dak-pha.Dak pha.Dake
pha.Dak-pha.Dak nain pha.Dak-pha.Dak nain pha.Dake.n

e dil tuu
jaaduu lagaa_e

Kushiyaa.N manaa_e jaa taraa pam -2
a.Nkhiyaa.N milaa_e jaa
dil me.n samaa_e jaa
apanaa banaa_e jaa

So what is this word “हुप्पी – huppii ?
My research tells me that the word “Whoop-whoopee” came along in the American English language and it was mainly popularised by the Theatre writtier, actor, singer and comedian of the Broadway of New York of the late 19th century with the play called “Whopee” by Eddie Cantor who was also a contemporary of Al Jolson who sang and acted in the famous first talking and singing musical film “Jazz Singer”.

Eddie Cantor also made musical film from the script of his play “Whoopee” that became roaring success.
Both the actors along with many actors like Marx Bros.etc were rampant on the American stage at the turn of the 19th Century and the beginning of the Hollywood films.

The main thrust of these artists was to create comic havoc and mayhem on the stage with music, words action and acting etc. So comedy was the king.

During this time a lot of plays were written about love and sex. However the words about love and sex were not overtly spoken.

Instead of those brash words soft words were used. In the Western culture if people want to go to the toilet they would say I want to go to the small room, or I want to spend a penny which was a charge for going into toilet. So it was polite, polite!

So the word “whoopee” was invented to euphemise for “to make love” by Eddie Cantor. Down the decades it was passed down and was very common.

Both R.K. and Naushad were aware of this word. R.K. because he grew up on the stage where English plays and actors frequented. Naushad knew it because he as a young boy in Lucknow was part of the live music makers of the silent films which invariably were bawdy and funny as they were for the soldiers in the British army.
Shalan La

266 Ashwin Bhandarkar April 25, 2017 at 4:07 pm

SSW @ 261: Thanks a ton for the info and the link!

AK @ 258: As far as I know, the Durga B made her entry into Hindustani Music only in the early years of the 20th century but became the Dominant Durga very soon, pushing the older Durga K into oblivion.

Wrt your comment on your raga illiteracy, I would like to draw your attention to the sisters’ response to the 3rd question put to them in this interview of sorts of Ranjani and Gayathri, the Carnatic singing duo:

267 AK April 25, 2017 at 4:47 pm

Thanks a lot for this link. It is very reassuring for someone like me.

268 ksbhatia April 25, 2017 at 6:05 pm

Ms.Shalan Lal ; @264 ,

The silent era comedies of Laural and Hardy did carried some Whoopee acts to enhance the humour . There were quite a few of them . Here is a short clip from their first talkies , when sound was imposed on the silent film…..We Faw Down .

269 mumbaikar8 April 26, 2017 at 11:22 pm

Ashwin @254

Sorry it was lack of understanding as well ignorance on my part.
I thought that you were comparing songs # 4 and #5 to Hero song and Jeet hi lenge to the one that you had uploaded.
I do not understand Raga.
If AK calls himself illiterate I will have to invent a word for my ignorance.

270 mumbaikar8 April 26, 2017 at 11:39 pm

Hans #256
Exactly you said it mera mann bahut koochh karne ko kahta hai par “mai” woh sab nahin karti hoon.
Hans @262
Forget Muslim or Hindu do your really believe anyone can be faultless?
Watch this if you have time.

271 Ashwin Bhandarkar April 28, 2017 at 5:06 pm

Mumbaikar8 @268

Wrt your admission of illiteracy/ignorance, I would refer you to the 3rd paragraph of #265.

272 Hans April 28, 2017 at 8:02 pm

Film Dharti had another repeat word Rafi-Lata duet ‘ye mausam bheega-2 hai hawa bhi jyaada-2 hai’

If we look at such songs which have repeat word in the antaras, there comes to mind this unique song ‘ye kisne geet chheda’ from Meri Surat Teri Aankhen. I remember that AK had posted this song in his article on ‘mukesh’s best songs by SDB’ and Mumbaikar8 had objected to his extreme praise for this song. I could not comment on it then, but had read the comments.

In my view this is a unique composition. The song starts with ‘ye kisne geet chheda, dil mera nache thirak-2’, the second part of the mukhda by Mukesh goes ‘ye kiski zulf bikhari, jag sara gaya mahak-2’. Repeat word at the fag end. And this trend is followed in all the antaras, which is rarely the case. The first antara is
chori-chori, haule-haule, thandi-thandi hawa aaye
( a flurry of repeat words)
kaliyon ka mukh choome, bagiya ko dulraye,
daali-daali jaye lachak-lachak
[what grand lyrics by Shailendra]
And this trend of rhyming the antara end with mukhda end is present in the other two antaras too, though there are not so many repeat words there. I think this along with the great orchestra combination mesmerises me whenever I listen to this song.

Talking of Mukesh-Suman duets, there is a duet from Modern Girl composed by Ravi, ‘ye mausam rangeen sama, thehr jara o jane-jan, tera mera mera tera pyar hai to phir kaisa sharmana’. I dont know whether AK would approve it as repeat word song, but this is a rare example of the repeat words criss-crossing.

273 mumbaikar8 April 29, 2017 at 1:32 am

Feels good!
But when you knowledgeables discuss music Ehsaas E Kamtari surfaces.

274 mumbaikar8 April 29, 2017 at 1:35 am

AK, Venkataramanji,
One more yamak
maang ne dil ko maang liya us maang me tare bhaarna hai

275 ksbhatia April 29, 2017 at 6:14 pm

Hans ji; @271,

What a song sir ! ….Yeh kisne geet chheda….is an example of its kind , a rare combo of beautiful multiple repeat words and the composition that only SDB and Shailendra could have done . Truely a classic criss cross song . The other song that follows this trend is again by SDB…..yeh dil deewana hai , dil to deewana hai , deewana dil hai yeh ,dil deewana ….. . In both the songs Mukesh, Suman Kalyanpur and Rafi, Lata did equal justice to the composition that produced the desired SDB melodies.

The other Mukesh, Suman duet…..Yeh mausam rangeen samma….is again a melody par excellence . I remember , when this film was released , K M Amladi , the film critic of The Hindustan Times , was all praise for Ravi’s this lilting melody while covering the review of the film .
Thanks for posting and reminding the unique songs.

276 Hans April 29, 2017 at 7:08 pm

Mumbaikar8, (269)
You have very smartly diverted the mann topic to your advantage without answering me. I have no problem with that. You are free to do what your ‘mann’ says.

Regarding the word faultless, I would say I know the philosophy you are talking about, but if that philosophy is to be believed then words like faultless, flawless and a number of other such words should not be there in the dictionary. Suppose two top tennis players play each other and one of them beats the other 62, 63, 63. The match report would tell us that this was a flawless performance. I hope you would understand what I want to say.

Kindly guide me in which light should I see the video, the link for which you have provided. I would offer my comments according to that.

277 Hans April 29, 2017 at 7:52 pm

Thanks for the kind words. Actually I am only supplementing you. You have already posted a host of my favourite songs which I have enjoyed. In fact, it is the duty of us readers to make the posts more enjoyable, because AK has his limitations because he has a lot to do as a blogger and has not time enough to keep posting more songs. We are thankful to him for providing us the basic dish, which we try to decorate as much as we can.

Actually, the song ‘ye kisne geet chheda’ is not the lone song which matches the rhyme of mukhda with antara, but this is certainly special. There are other songs too. I am only sampling the trend. Readers can be on the look out for similar songs. Meanwhile, I give two more such songs.

Gyarah Hazar Ladkiyan had a duet and a solo ‘dil ki tamanna thi masti men’ which both ended the mukhda with ‘hum bhi bahakte chalte-chalte’. Listen to the songs and find for youself how Majrooh rhymes the antaras with chalte-chalte. The special thing is that though the solo is sad and has different lyrics in the antaras, but still Majrooh the same rhyming repeat words in the first two antaras viz. malte-malte and dhalte-dhalte.

In Chitralekha in song ‘ae ri jane na doongi’ the mukhda ends with ‘moond-moond’ and Sahir rhymes it in the antaras with ‘boond-boond’ and ‘goond-goond’

278 Gaddeswarup April 30, 2017 at 4:10 am

I remembered two books on music that I bought years ago but did not read. I looked up ‘repetition’ in both. The first ‘This is your rain on music’ by David Levitin discusses it on page 167. I did not get much out of it except that amygdaloid, the seat of emotions sits next to hippocampus, the seat of memory storage and retrieval. The second book ‘The Music Instinct’ by Philip Ball discusses it in pp124-126. I will just quote one sentence “Music theorist David Huron argues that the evolutionary benefit of accurate prediction makes us predisposed to be pleased when our expectations are fulfilled. Repetition creates expectations specific to the composition or context, and when these expectations are met it binds the music into coherent and satisfying whole”. May be. I think that the unexpected has also a role in music.

279 Ashwin Bhandarkar April 30, 2017 at 5:01 pm

‘Piyu piyu raTata papeeyara’, a bandish in Raga Lalit,;sung here by D.V.Paluskar:

Here’s another bandish featuring the papeehara – the well-known ‘Bole re papeeyara’ in Raga Miyan Malhar, sung by D.V.Paluskar. The opening line of the antara is ‘Huna huna kara aayi badariya’

The badarawa and papeeyara feature in the chhota khayal bandish starting at 14:25 of this rendition of Raga Sur Malhar by Bhimsen Joshi. There are repeat words in the sthaayi as well as the antara:

280 ksbhatia April 30, 2017 at 6:43 pm

Hans ji;

Thanks for your encouragement . This surely is boosting me to bat for more of B & W songs……..

216. Gora gora mukhada yeh ….Mukesh….Bhool na jaana [unreleased]

217.Ban ke chakori gori….Mukesh….Hum matwale naujawan

218.Yaad karoge yaad karoge…..Geeta Dutt….Do Bhai

219.Bachhpan ki yaad dheere dheere…..Lalita Deulkar…Shaheed

220. Kadam Kadam badaiye ja…..CR….Samadhi

….to be contd…..

281 mumbaikar8 April 30, 2017 at 8:41 pm

I am not diverting any topic, all I say is that mind is a guiding force, but one cannot do all mind wants us to do because mind has no ”ankush,” at times one can’t even share what the mind wants with ANYONE. Don’t you agree?
As per your tennis example, a game, a set or even a match can be faultless but can a career be faultless?
Talking about career I tend to differ on that too, I think Dilip Kumar is more faultless than Rafi (you know what Rafi means to me) Dilip Kumar does not.
I like Rafi not because but despite (I see his faults more than his worst critics) but my mann (comes to my rescue) justifies that, as his insecurities, he surely had to face them most of the time.
It’s an interesting video, Gulzar talks about how Urdu is evolving in different parts of region with local languages’ influence. Perhaps that would add some reason to why Dilip Kumar used a particular form of Urdu. Catering to the audience!

282 Hans May 1, 2017 at 6:44 pm

Venkataramanji had earlier mentioned (comment 218) about a study which showed songs which repeated lines and phrases were more likely to be successful. What you tell us is the theoretical explanation for the same phenomenon. You know theories are always disputable and I do not normally read such things on my own. But, when persons like both of you tell such things I enjoy them and also draw my own conclusions. I think the study referred by Venkatramanji and the theory by you mostly pertain to repetitions of composing and are less relevant to the repeat word song sets as designed by AK. Also, I think too much repetition diminishes the song’s likeability. For example, I would like to listen to a ghazal of 3 to 5 minutes duration, instead of the same being stretched by repetition to 15 or 20 minutes. There may be takers for the longer version too, but their number would be very small and they too would not be able to listen to it as many times as the shorter version.

283 Hans May 1, 2017 at 7:32 pm

Thanks for the response. I did not want to say that you diverted the topic, but just that you used it to your advantage. About the mind I would agree with you on everything except that the mind also has its own ‘ankush’. The mind of ‘mann’ or ‘dil’ or whatever you call it has its own default settings based on your experiences as well as of those around you and it stops you from doing things which are desirable but may endanger you or your honour. That is where the ‘paani’ which Raheem talked about. Another person, viz. a criminal may not have any of the ‘paani’ left and does the same things which others do not do. It all depends on the situations. There are some songs like ‘mann ko pinjare men na dalo’ or ‘dil jo bhi kahega’ or ‘dil karta’ which tell us to do whatever we like, but, there is another song which tells the philosophy about ‘mann’ closest to the acceptable. This is ‘tora man darpan kahlaye, bhale bure sare karmon ko dekhe aur dikhaye’.

The tennis example I had given was to show that the word flawless cannot be taken in its technical form. I would explain it further to make myself clear. I had talked about two top ranked players, but suppose one top ranked player beat a 150th ranked player with the same score, then the performance would be called routine and not flawless. It all boils down to relativity. The example was given only with a limited purpose and you cannot extend it to career. My calling Rafi faultless was in the same sense. And I was not talking about his career but his personality.

When you say Rafi means to you more than Dilip Kumar, that itself shows that Rafi had lesser faults than Dilip. I dont know in which sense you are calling Dilip faultless. To me he stepped on other people’s feet too often, which hardly ever was done by Rafi. I dont know of which faults of Rafi you are talking about and thus am in no position to comment.

On the video I would come back when I have viewed it wholly. On Dilip Kumar’s urdu I had given the same reason ‘catering to the audience’. But, to which audience he was catering to Indian or Pakistani was the question I raised.

284 Hans May 1, 2017 at 7:39 pm

I have not posted songs in this as per the format since long. So here I am posting 5 very popular children’s songs with repeat words.

1. daadi amma daadi amma maan jao
2. chal mere ghode tik tik tik
3. chhun chhun karti aayi chidiya
4. chakke pe chakka
5. lakdi ki kaathi

285 Gaddeswarup May 3, 2017 at 12:29 am

Hand at 281, Thanks. I was fairly sure, with language problems, that I was missing the thrust of the post.

286 mumbaikar8 May 24, 2017 at 8:42 pm

Happy Birthday!
This repeat word piano song on this occasion.
Baar din din ye aaye from Farz

287 ksbhatia May 25, 2017 at 4:10 pm

Ms. Mumbaikar8 ;

Thanks for the wishes and the oldie birth day song . Had a great fun today with my family , with cake cutting followed by lunch at the in happening place of Gurgaon……the cyber hub. The place and the ambience is the likes of States and Canada and you have best of food from california to newyork and to toronto as well. Of course Indian Asian and continental food restaurants are in plenty to go for .

As a return gift here is rafi’s great song …..naachhe man mora magan tikla deegi deegi [repeat words] …..Meri surat teri ankhen …..SDB

288 Hans May 25, 2017 at 7:06 pm

Happy birthday Bhatiaji,
Another repeat word song. ‘tum jiyo’ from Sujata

289 ksbhatia May 26, 2017 at 7:52 am

Hans ji;

Thank you for the wishes . A repeat song though posted earlier also , as a return gift…..

Shukariya Shukriya…..Talat….Aaram…

290 mumbaikar8 May 26, 2017 at 11:36 am

You surely had a rocking day! Your choice of song reflects your mood!
One SJ song,repeat word and a repeat phrase separated by a sigh.
Tu Kyon Mujhko Pukare – Lata Mangeshkar – MAYUR PANKH

291 ksbhatia May 27, 2017 at 7:13 am

Ms. Mumbaikar8;
Thanks for the lovely song from Mayur Pankh. This song was fav.of my sisters . A great nostalgia feelings.

Kishore Sahu Shankar Jaikishan team gave us some memorable songs right from Kali Ghata to Hare Kaanch Ki Chooriyan . In between for Kamal Amrohi’s Kishore Sahu directed film….Dil Apna Preet Parai….proved a landmark achievement for Shankar Jaikishan . Hasrat And Shailendra were at their best too. Each song of this film was really a mood setter .

Two songs from each of the films having repeat words / repeat lines…..

Ae Jaaneman Ae Jaaneman…..Rafi ….Hare Kaanch…[ A fast number that SJ’s are known for.

Jane kahan gai , jane kahan gai….Rafi…..Dil Apna ….[ …Aaj toota hua dil ka woh saaj hai , ab wo nagme kahan sirf awaz hai……long live Shailendra ]

292 ksbhatia May 27, 2017 at 7:15 am

….in continuation…..

missed loading the song ; here is the link…

293 mumbaikar8 June 15, 2017 at 11:53 am

Paying tribute to the master Sajjad Hussain on his hundredth birth anniversary!
Koi prem ka deke sandesa hai loot gaya hai loot gaya

294 AK June 16, 2017 at 5:01 am

Thanks a lot for this lovely song.

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