Songs of Kinare

September 17, 2012

Nadi kinareWhen I wrote on the songs of nadi and naav sometime back, I thought one kind of journey was complete (with Harvey’s majhi). But I had missed a crucial element as I realised from Ashok Vaishnavji’s comments. The boat has to reach its shore, and the journey is not complete till you have reached kinare.

Does every journey have to end at a destination? With boat, may be. But not with other modes necessarily. Films are replete with train journeys to nowhere. The labour union leader, Satyen Kappu, shamed into running away from home as he surrendered the workers’ demands on being subjected to impossible threats by the mine owner, is next seen in a train. When his co passenger asks him where is he headed, his simple answer is Pataa nahi (Deewar). Devdas takes an endless journey in a train to nowhere, accompanied by his family retainer when he has lost all hopes in life. An interesting train journey is in the recent Jab We Met. While Kareena Kapoor is sure about her destination (or she thinks so), in the same compartment Shahid Kapoor, betrayed in love and estranged from his step-mother, is taking a journey to nowhere. Even on the river bank, betrayed in love someone may sing, Chale ja rahe hain mohabbat ke marey, kinare kinare kinare kinare.

That was of people full of despair and dejected from life. But you may not venture into the uncertain river because Door hai kinara gahri hai dhara, and may prefer instead to enjoy the beauty from the bank. I remember an early Hindi poet wrote तरणि तनूजा तट तमाल तरुवर बहु छाए. Beautiful lines about the river bank.

Parallel to nadi-naav-navik-kinara can be seen raah-musafir-safar-manzil. But what if Raah bani khud manzil because Saath jo aye tum. Thus that is a very different journey which we may explore in a different series of posts. For the time being, to complete the river and boat journey here are some songs of kinare (shore).

1. Man ki naiya lagi kinare by Zohranbai Ambalawali from Shakuntala (1943), music Vasant Desai

This short piece by Zohrabai Ambalawali is special because of the delightful scene of a bevy of girls frolicking in the water.

2. Aaj meri naiya kinare lagi ho by Shanta Apte from Valmiki (1944), lyrics Mahesh Gupta, music Shankarrao Vyas

Shanta Apte was to Prabhat Films (Kolhapur/Poona/Bombay) what Kanan Devi was to New Theatres (Calcutta). Both leading actor-singers of two important epicenters of film making in the earliest era. Both did bilingual films – one Hindi/Bengali; the other Hindi/Marathi. Both came from strong classical and regional traditions – One Rabindrasangeet, the other Marathi Natya-sangeet. Both overcame social prejudices about ladies from good families joining films. Here the similarity ends. While in the radio era, I was quite familiar with Kanan Devi, I do not recall hearing a Shanta Apte song. It is surprising why she was not on AIR’s radar screen. I came to know of her in Doordarshan era and now, of course, in the internet era. But that is a matter for an exclusive post on her. Here is a delightful kinare song. Shanta Apte looks quite filled up compared to what one has seen her in the videos of the thirties.

Aaj meri naiya kinare lage ho

3. Kathwa ke naiya banaihe malahwa by Chitalkar, Lalita Deolkar, P Chandar, SN Puri from Nadiya Ke Paar (1948), lyrics Moti B.A., music C Ramchnadra

Nadiya Ke Paar is one of Dilip Kumar’s early films which established him as a great star the like of whom Hindi films had not seen before. His off-screen romance with Kamini Kaushal caused a great deal of uproar and excitement how it would ultimately play out (as we know it met some very hard rocks). But their on-screen romance was sizzling. A musical masterpiece by C Ramchandra, this song is unique as it has the boat, the boatman, the river and nadiya ke paar – rarely you get all the four components in the same song. One of my great favourites.

4. Kinare kinare chale jayenge by Suraiya from Vidya (1948), lyrics Yashoda Nandan Joshi, muisic SD Burman

By this time Dev Anand – Suraiya romance was in full bloom. That shows in the joyous expression of the two stars, as they row their boat towards Kinare. On the bank you can make out a young Madan Puri. From his twitching of lips, this must be one of his early villain roles.

5. Roun main saagar ke kinare by CH Atma from Nagina (1951), lyrics Shailendra, music Shankar Jaikishan

A perfect clone of KL Saigal, CH Atma sang some outstanding film and non-film songs. This one is one of his best known film songs.

6. Jamuna kinare jhilmil kare tare by Manna Dey from Saakshi Gopal (1957), lyrics Bharat Vyas, music Chitragupta

The mukhdaa in full throated voice of Manna Dey creates an amazing effect. One of his best songs. I thought Chitragupta was great only with Lata Mangeshkar and Rafi. Here is one of his great pre-Bhabhi songs.

7. Ye ratein ye mausam nadi ka kinara ye chanchal hawa by Kishore Kumar and Asha Bhosle from Dilli Ka Thug (1958), lyrics Shailendra, music Ravi

From Hum to mohabbat karega to Ye raatein ye mausam, Kishore Kumar shows his wild, crazy side, as well as the absolutely soulful, soft and romantic side. Pure genius.

8. Ye hawa ye nadi ka kinara by Manna Dey and Asha Bhosle from Ghar Sansaar (1958), lyrics Majrooh Sultanpuri, music Ravi

One had known Kumkum in side roles which had terrific dance numbers. But here in the lead role she is no less than any top leading lady in this romantic duet.

9. Chale ja rahe hain mohabbat ke mare kinare kinare from Kinare Kinare (1963), lyrics Nyay Sharma, music Jaidev

In spite of the top star cast and outstanding music by Jaidev, this was one of the unsuccessful films of Dev Anand. The gravity in Manna Dey’s voice lends an ethereal quality to the song. Easily one of his best.

10. Sham dhale Jamuna kinare by Manna Dey and Lata Mangeshkar from Pushpanjali (1970), lyrics Anand Bakshi, music Laxmikant Pyarelal

There is something in Manna Dey’s voice which makes him very suited for nadi/naav/kinare songs.

{ 59 comments… read them below or add one }

1 Anu Warrier September 17, 2012 at 1:03 am

Nice! I liked the journey as much as I like the destination!
My picks: (Not very common ones, thank you!)

1. Nadiya kinare phiroon pyaasi from Rajhath

2. Nadiya kinare phiroon pyaasi from Do Gunde

Same lyrics at the beginning – the first is a Shankar Jaikishen composition, the second, Ghulam Mohammed. Rajhath had another beautiful ‘kinara’ song picturised on a very young Helen – begging the lover to come to the river banks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoNMqbsN0ck&feature=related

And since I cannot stop from putting in an Amitabh song, if I can… (*Poking tongue out at you still*)

Nadiya Kinare (Abhiman)

2 Anu Warrier September 17, 2012 at 1:36 am

A lovely Suraiyya number, which I came across when I was doing the post on her songs:
From Kanoon (1944) Ek tum ho ek main hoon aur nadi ka kinara
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzhZCcOX_vY

The river bank does seem to lean heavily towards lovers’ meetings, no?

A Suraiyya/Mukesh duet from Do Dil (1947)

Kagaz ki meri naav aur door hai kinara

Since I put Helen in my last comment, here is one with Bela Bose – the film is a rather cheesy sounding CID 909, but the Asha-OP Nayyar song is quite catchy.

Nadi ka kinara ho pani awara ho

And a lovely Talat number that I came across, full of pathos.

Raat andheri door kinara

A different sort of Kinara:

Meri kashti ko mohabbat ka kinara mil gaya by Geeta Dutt from Kamal (1949), lyrics Raja Mahdi Ali Khan, music SD Burman

Another Amitabh song: 🙂 (I have to just throw one in to keep you on your toes!)

Door hai kinara gahri hai dhara from Saudagar

And finally, (I promise!) a soft Kishore/Sudha Malhotra song from Girlfriend

Kashti ka khamosh safar ho

3 Subodh Agrawal September 17, 2012 at 7:19 am

Great theme, great post, wonderful selection of songs. The only song that came to my mind was ‘Nadiay kinare hirayi aayi kangana’ but Anu has beaten me to it.

I look forward to further escalation of the ‘nok-jhonk’ between Anu and AK. The exchange is entertaining in itself, in addition we are benefitted by the gems both parties are digging out for us to treasure!

I am reminded of one sense of Kinara as the idiom for avoiding something or someone – kinara kar gaye. I wonder if this sense has also been used in any song.

Coming back to the post, the song by Zohrabai is a real find. It is an excellent example of Sarang. I have bookmarked it for eventual use.

Finally, here is a clipping of Sanjukta Panigrahi performing to Jayadev’s ‘Dheera sameere yamuna teere vasati vane vanamali.’ The music too is beautiful – Bhopali/Mohanam. I only wish the voice-over in the middle of the piece could somehow be deleted:

4 Personal Concerns September 17, 2012 at 10:27 am

Great Song. Great Post!

Chale ja rahe hain mohabbat ke maare is a great song!

5 Subodh Agrawal September 17, 2012 at 10:57 am

Found an answer to the question I posed in the previous comment – ‘Log kehte hain ki hum tum se kinara kar len,’ a Rafi-Roshan combo from Bahu Begum:

Apart from journey and destination kinara also has the sense of a pleasant place to dwell, as in ‘Yeh raaten yeh mausam’. There must be a song or two about someone wishing to build a house ‘nadi ke kinare’.

6 Atul September 17, 2012 at 1:13 pm

Very imaginative themes and didcussions !

Here is another potential theme- List of all HAPPY songs picturised on Nimmi. 🙂

7 AK September 17, 2012 at 2:33 pm

@Anu Warrier
Thanks a lot for some fantastic songs you have mentioned. Ek tum ho ek main hun of Suraiya from Kanoon is my great personal favourite, and I had included it in my post on the Songs of River. Aja aja aja nadiya kinare from Rajhath also I like a lot. It was mentioned by Harvey in his comments on the post on Songs of River. SJ-Lata combination in lilting dance songs are unparalleled. Raat andheri door kinara by Talat Mahmood and Kashti ka khamosh safar ho by Kishore Kumar and Sudha Malhotra are my great favourites.

Mukesh-Suraiya duet from Do Dil (1947), Kagaz ki meri naav, and Geeta Dutt’s Meri kashti ko mohabbat ka kinara mil gaya from Kamal (1949) were new for me. Excellent songs. Thanks.

But the other Rajhath/Do Gunde song, Nadiya kinare phirun main pyasi left me completely astonished. The lyrics are not only similar, but they are identical down to the recital part in the beginning Sun sakhi more man ki baat…koel tarse aam ko..main tarsun us preet ko.. chhayi ghata ghanghor with identical tunes. How can that be possible with two different sets of lyricists and composers (Hasrat Jaipuri/Majrooh Sultanpuri and SJ/Ghulam Mohammad). I am aware of several cases of the same songs repeated in another movie, but they are credited to the same team. This requires further probe.

*Still poking tongue out* !!! You started on Sept 10th from your last comment. That makes it 161 hors 43 minutes (I have calculated it from the time recorded in the dashboard). That would earn you a place in the Guinness Book of World Records, but would give you a terrible stiff tongue, which has already started showing, because:

1. I am a great fan of Amitabh Bachchan
2. I am a great fan of Lata Mangeshkar
3. I am not allergic to the post-60’s songs, though I lean towards earlier periods, and my search generally ends at mid-60’s.

I am getting worried. You must see a doctor to put your tongue back inside.

Subodh, it is not funny. We must all help her get out of this condition. You try to poke your tongue out for more than 160 hours, and see its condition.

8 Anu Warrier September 17, 2012 at 6:21 pm

AK, *Grin*. Don’t you see we have just made Subodh happy with this exchange?

The Rajhath/ Do Gunde song is unusual, isn’t it? That is why I put it there – two different films, two different composers, two different lyricists, same lyrics. I cross-checked the listings, and this song *is* listed as a SJ/Hasrat Jaipuri composition in Rajhath and a Ghulam Mohammed/Majrooh Sultanpuri composition in Do Gunde.

I have a feeling though, that the listings are wrong, and that the song is from Do Gunde; someone must have listed it wrongly as a song from Rajhath and that information must have been perpetuated continuously.

@Atul – *Happy* songs of Nimmi?! There must be very few of them, if at all!

9 AK September 17, 2012 at 6:59 pm

@Subodh Agrawal
Thanks a lot for your compliments, and for introducing to us Dheer sameere yamuna teere. Very perceptive of you to recall Log kahte hain ki hum tumse kinara kar lein song from Bahu Begum. Normally one tends to forget this song. This has the signature Roshan tune, and it immediately reminded of me this great Roshan composition:

Chand takta hai idhar by Rafi and Suman Kalyanpur from Dooj Ka Chand

About someone wishing to build his house at the river bank, I do not know whether this one meets your approval. This again had a very prominent place on Harvey’s blog:

Dariya kinare ek bangalow from Sabse Bada Rupaiya

10 AK September 17, 2012 at 7:04 pm

@Personal Concerns
Thanks a lot for your compliments.

@Atul
I do not know who was more weepy – Meena Kumari or Nimmi. Whoever it is, you are the best compiler of different kind of songs. We would be very happy to share your list.

11 Subodh Agrawal September 17, 2012 at 8:55 pm

I have been scanning the lists of songs of ‘Raj Hath’ and ‘Do Gunde’ on various sites like Smashhits, Raaga, in.com etc. This song figures in the list of Raj Hath but not that of Do Gunde. So, possibly, the Youtube uploader made a mistake in labeling it.

Just remembered this classic ‘Sanwle salone aye din bahar ke’. Fits in with the theme of kinara being a pleasant place to dwell or visit. Interesting to see a family on a tandem bicycle!

Sanwle salone aye din bahar ke by Hemant Kumar and Lata Mangeshkar from Ek Hi Rasta (1956), lyrics Majrooh Sultanpuri, music Hemant Kumar

12 arvind September 17, 2012 at 10:21 pm

@subodh agrawal
ghar pehle se hi ban chuka hai !

‘…………..nadi kinare gaon……….’from
(CID 1956)

13 AK September 17, 2012 at 11:55 pm

Subodh, I also believe listing Nadiya kinare phirun pyasi under Do Gunde is a complete error. Oh, what a great song Sanwle salone aye din bahar ke is! You are right, the family tandem bicycle is cute, this must pre-date Chetak Bajaj scooter which was the family vehicle, with father, mother and the two children riding it comfortably.

Arvind, Subodh must be looking for a house on the river bank. I do not think there would be too many songs fitting exactly.

14 Anu Warrier September 18, 2012 at 7:21 pm

Ack, you silly people, I have just posted the video of Nadiya kinare phiroon main pyaasi from Do Gunde in my first comment! And that shows Jaishree Gadkar and Ajit, who are both listed as the actors starring in the film! In fact, I cannot find a single video of the same song from Rajhath; I even scanned through the video of the film (admittedly cursorily) to see if I could spot it; the only song I could find there was the Aaja aaja nadiya kinare which comes at the fag end of the film and features Helen.

Ergo, the song is from Do Gunde and not from Rajhath!

Here it is again, if you don’t believe me! 🙁

15 n.venkataraman September 18, 2012 at 11:14 pm

AK ji
Chale ja rahe hain mohabbat ke maare kinare kinare is a wonderful song.
While hearing this song I was wondering if there is any affinity between Manna Dey and such type of songs. But you expressed similar views after the next song.
The song that came to my mind was the one from the film Saudagar, Door hai kinara. Anu ji has already mentioned the song. Again a Manna Dey one.
Good theme, nice songs.
Subodh ji,
In the clipping of Sanjukta Panigrahi, was the song sung by Raghunath Panigrahi ? Thanks for the clipping.
I am introducing two more clippings :
A Thumri by Mehdi Hasan

The second one is a Bengali song from film “Ganga” sung by Manna Dey (once again) and the Music was by Salil Choudhury.Here the Bengali word “kul” has been used which means ‘kinara”.

Hope you will enjoy both the songs.

16 AK September 18, 2012 at 11:32 pm

Mr Venkatraman, both are fabulous songs. Manna Dey’s song has a Hindi version which I am not able to recall right away. Could you or Subodh please identify that?

17 n.venkataraman September 19, 2012 at 12:00 am

This is a non film song. Although the word “Kinara ” has been used only in the first line “Sunsan Jamuna Ka kinara, Pyar ka Antim Sahara”,
I could not refrain from introducing this song. But this is an later version, I could not find the original recording.
Lyrics- Madhukar Rajasthani.
Composed and sung by (again) Manna Dey.

18 n.venkataraman September 19, 2012 at 12:11 am

Ji hajir hoon aapke seva me.
In fact I thought of introducing that song, but my wife pointed out that it does not carry the word “Kinara” nor any synonymous word.
The Hindi version of that song is “Ganga Aayen Kahan se” from the film “Kabuliwala”.
Sung by Hemant Kumar and music by Salil Choudhury.
In fact it should be introduced in the post “Songs of River”.
You will find it there.

19 AK September 19, 2012 at 11:41 am

Thanks a lot for the wonderful songs, and for refreshing Kabuliwala song.

20 AK September 19, 2012 at 11:48 am

Anu Warrier

I need to come back to you on Nadiya kinare phirun pyasi. Let me give you the string of mails I exchanged with the Masters:

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From: AK [mailto:ak@songsofyore.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 10:33 PM
To: Arunkumar Deshmukh; skapur@bol.net.in; Sudhir Kapur [Delhi]; Har Mandir Singh ‘Hamraaz’

Subject: Nadiya kinare phirun pyasi from Rajhath/Do Gunde

Dear Deshmukhji, Sudhirji and Hamrazji,

I do not know what is the final solution of Lata Mangeshkar/Badi Maa puzzle. Meanwhile an interesting puzzle has surfaced on my blog. Let me start by giving you two YouTube links of the song Nadiya kinare phirun pyasi:

Nadiya kinare phirun pyasi by Lata Mangeshkar from Rajhath (1956), lyrics Hasrat Jaipuri, music Shankar Jaikishan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7hra6t-FaE

Nadiya kinare phirun pyasi by Lata Mangeshkar from Do Gunde (1959), lyrics Majrooh Sultanpuri, music Ghulam Mohammad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKgA-FVxe68

Now the puzzle:
1. Both songs have exactly the same words and same tune.
2. They have two different sets of lyricists/composers mentioned on the YouTube.
3. All other sites credit this song to only Rajhath
4. Hindi Film Geet Kosh credits it to Rajhath, and does not mention it in Do Gunde.
5. And now the Coup de grace: Youtube link does not show the video of Rajhath, but the video link has Jayshree Gadkar and Ajit, which means this was in Do Gunde.

How do we solve it?

Thanking you.

Sincerely
AK

From: Sudhir Kapur
12:27 AM (10 hours ago)

to Atul, me, Arunkumar, Har

AK ji,
One possible clue to this puzzle is that both the films Raajhath (1956) and Do Gunde (1959) from the same production house.
Both films are from Minerva Movietone and both are produced by Sohrab Modi. Raajhath is also directed by Sohrab Modi, however Do Gunde is directed by BM Vyas.
This could be one of the many cases of ‘producer’s license’ to re use songs from one of their films, in another film. This reuse could be for many reasons.
In this case, the possibility is that the song was originally created for Raajhath and then reused in Do Gunde. The Geet Kosh listing does not show this song under the film Do Gunde. One possibility is that, although the song was reused in this film, it may not have be re-released under this film’s name.
I request Harmandir ji to kindly check from the original booklet of the film Do Gunde, if there is any additional information about this reuse.
Rgds
Sudhir

From: Har Mandir Singh ‘Hamraaz’
6:48 AM (4 hours ago)

to me, Arunkumar, skapur, Sudhir

Actually, the producer of a film has right to use the songs in any of his subsequent film(s). In this case, the song was originally composed for RAAJHATH but was not used in the film. It was used by the producer in his subsequently produced film DO GUNDE. Credit for the song be labelled as that of RAAJHATH.
‘Hamraaz’

From: Arunkumar Deshmukh
9:59 AM (1 hour ago)

to me, Atul, skapur, Har

AK ji,
The final solution to Lata’s puzzle is awaited till the month end,when it is likely to be solved.(hopefully,by Lata,s intervies on her BD)
As far as your latest query,I think Hamraz ji has given a satisfactory reply.
But AK ji,this is not something new in Hindi Films.Such type of things are and have been happening since Talkie started in the 30s.
There are umpteen no.of cases where songs have featured in 2,3 or even more films.
I will give some examples-

Way back in 1932,in the film Indrasabha-32 there was a song ‘ kya tadpane ka mazaa….’. It was used in film Hatimtai-I in 1933.
similarly another song from Indrasabha-32 ‘Kisi se dil ko….’ was used in Afzal-1933.
Amar Kahani-1949 all its 10 songs were used in Kanchan 1955.
Tanhayee-61 8 songs were from Nirmal-52.
Bhai ka Pyar-51 8 songs were from Phir bhi apna Hai-1946.
Talat’s song Tere dar pe aaya hoon from Laila Majnu-53 was again used in Chor Bazar-54.
Lata’s song phool chun le from Naubahar-52 was used in Firdaus 52.
From ‘Panchayat’-58,a song ‘Mai ye sochkar’ by Rafi was used in Hakeeqat-64

Not only this, but famous Gazals and songs from wellknown shayars and poets were used in 2,3,or more films. Some examples-

Mirza Ghalib-Dile Nadan tuze huwa kya hai……..Anang sena-31,Gul e eBakavali-32,Kimiyagar-36,Millionaire-36,Hunterwali ki Beti-43,Apna Desh-49,Kashir hamara Hai-50 and Mirza Ghalib-54 etc.
Like the above many of his Gazals are used in several films.
Bahadur Shah Zafar-Na kisiki aankh ka noor hoon- Anokhi muhabbat-34,Mumtaj Begum-34,Voh kaun-35,Sarala-36,Bhole Bhale-39,Toote Tare-48 and Lal qila-60(actually the song became famous after this film.) etc.
Amir khusro-kahe kobyahi bides re- heer Ranjha-48,Nadir Shah-68,Maang bharo sajna-80 etc.
bhagvati prasad bajpayi- Ban ke azad panchhi- Huwa savera-48,Bhakta Prahlad-46,Soorat-47.

Wajid ali shah’s Babul Mora naihar ….became famous after Saigal sang it in Street singer-38,but it had been used earlier in Trapped or Farebi Jaal-31 and Naachwali-34 also.

In Hindi films.all strange things used to and do happen.There are several cases where 2 lyricists write 1 song. I can quote atleast 10-15 cases.

The gist of all this is Hindi film music will always give surprises,strange things and coincidences.

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One advice: Please don’t call these Masters silly!

21 Ashok Vaishnav September 19, 2012 at 1:13 pm

While reading [and enjoying] the posts on नाव / Boat, किनारा / shore, just appeared to be the logical extension of नदिया / River as an integral component of सफर / Journey. But the present post on किनारा / shore has not only touched the melodious memories but has also touched upon the philosophical nerve.

If there are सफर / Journeys which have a pre-determined आरंभ / Beginning and अंत / End, there are as many सफर / Journeys which do not necessarily have आरंभ / Beginning and / or अंत / End. And still, both सफर / Journeys can be highly fruitful to absolutely barren OR can be very challenging, eventful and enjoyable to boring, drab and frustrating.

किनारा / shore, to many is मुकाम /The End of सफर / Journey and is a विरामस्थल / Intermediate Stop to others. If it is a सीमा चिन्ह / Mile Stone to many, it is a संदर्भ / Point of Reference to others.
There are some who “KINARE pe rahti hoon phir bhi main pyaasi” even while physically so near to “bahte paani” that they merrily feel “ab dil ka kyun karen gham gaya so gaya” because “main ho gayi kisiki koyi mera ho gaya” (तेरा जलवा जिसने देखा वो तेरा हों गया,में हों गयी किसी की कोई मेरा हों गया .. उजाला (1959) – Lata Mangeshkar – Shankar Jaikishan http://youtu.be/ZdbBKvNmRdo ).

And there some who “Aaj KINARE Par Aake” are not able to accomplish their goal {“Mein Apna Fasana Kehna Saka, Mere Dil Ki Tamanna Dil Mein Rahi”}. As a result, just as they reach किनारा / shore, their “Armaanon Ki Kashti Doob Gayi” (मेरी कहानी भूलने वाले.. दीदार (1951) – Mohammad Rafi – Naushad)

And then there some whose “ toote hue dil ki kashti ko, toofan mein KINARA mil jaaye” when “tu thaam le mera haath agar” then “dono ko sahara mil jaaye” because a strong bond of “tera gham mera gham ek jaisa” has blossomed with “sanam” (TERA GHAM MERA GHAM EK JAISA SANAM – Kavita Krishnamurthy and Hariharan in GHULAM E MUSTHAFA (1997) – http://youtu.be/Tf9xw5ZTlXs ).

And here are some other hidden gems, which took some efforts to explore, meaning thereby that even when one sees a किनारा / shore in the eyesight (or one’s memory) reaching the post is easier said than done:

TOON SAJNA ISHQ SAMANDAR MERA HUSN KINARA TERA – ISHQ SAMUNDAR – Noor Jehan –

AJNABI SE BAN KE KARO NA KINARA By Kishor and Lata Mangeshkar , sing a song composed by CHITRAGUPTA for EK RAAZ -1963 –

And here is one which strictly speaking is beond the bounds of the सफर / Journey charted out by SoY:

JEENE KA SAHARA MIL GAYA KASHTI KO KINARA MIL GAYA – Uttara Kelkar Adhikar R D Burman 1971

http://youtu.be/4MtYJDgNzCk

A major advantage of venturing out on a सफर / Journey with SoY is that you find quite a few gems, neither planned nor known. NADYA

KINARE KAB SE KHADI HOON [Bandish] – Raja khan –

And Bheegi Palko Par Naam Tumhara Hai BEECH BHAWANR KASHTI BADI DOOR KINARA HAI – Babu Mann ‘s Punjabi Song –

http://youtu.be/T9UfaC_oUP8

– are such finds.

Apart from the mundane use of the expression किनारा / shore, one would expect a veritable use in the spiritual world of किनारा / shore. Here are some illustrations:

MERI AANKHON KO AANKHON KA KINARA KAUN DE GA – Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan

IS DOOBTI KASHTI KO KINARA KOI DEY DEY by Syed Shajie Hussain

http://youtu.be/Foh3O0VG76E

TOOTAY HOWAY DIL KI KASHTI KO, TOOFAN MEIN KINARA MIL JAAYE…

http://youtu.be/8fUoAPC9Jbw

KASHTIAN APNI KINARE SE – Urdu Naat by Syed Zabeeb Masood Shah

SoY’s सफर of नदिया in a नाव thus has brought us to a किनारा of the treasure island of Hidden Gems of golden period of Hindi Film Music. But, happily, the सफर still goes on…..

22 AK September 19, 2012 at 4:01 pm

Ashok Vaishnavji,
You are joing the party late, but it is obvious that you were preparing for it. From where do you get these gems? You seem to have some special talent in this.

Among the known ones Ajanabi se ban ke karo na kinara is my great favourite. It had sliped from my mind, otherwise it would would have surely made it to my list. It is a clearer and more popular example of what Subodh mentioned, Kinara’s use in the sense of किनारा करना।

I came across two classical pieces on Jamuna kinare mora gaon:

Prabha Atre sings Jamuna kinare mora gaon

Bhuvnesh Komkali sings Jamuna kinare mero goan

23 AK September 19, 2012 at 4:19 pm

@N Venkatraman

PS: On Amay dubaili re by Manna Dey (Bengali) and its equivalent Ganga aye kahan se by Hemant Kumar from Kabuliwala, my friend Arvind, (who comments on SOY in fits and starts), has sent me a link that its original is a Bengali folk song composed by Abbasuddin Ahmed, though to me it sounds as if it also has shades of some famous songs of SD Burman (e.g. Aan milo aan milo Shyam sanwre).

Amay bhaisali re by Abbasuddin Ahmad

24 arvind September 19, 2012 at 5:37 pm

anil, the sd burman sung ‘…rongila rongila rongila re….’ transformed as ‘….aan milo aan milo….’ in devdas (bimal roy).this is the link:

lyrics n music ( as per the upload are by jasim uddin)

25 Anu Warrier September 19, 2012 at 8:08 pm

AK, that comment was directed solely at you; I had no idea anyone else was involved. In any case, no offence was meant. I was joking, and perhaps the tone was not conveyed. I sincerely apologise.

26 AK September 19, 2012 at 8:43 pm

Don’t worry Anu. I understood it perfectly well, and my remark was also in jest.

I hope you found the string of mails on Nadiya kinare phirun pyasi interesting. I should thank you for bringing this unique song to our notice.

We are also on to another intense discussion on which song was the first playback by Lata Mangeshkar in Hindi films. The accepted Lata historiography recognises Paon lagun kar jori re from Aap Ki Sewa Mein (1947) as her first playback. But Asha Bhosle recently created a stir in the calm waters by claiming in a TV programme on her birthday that Didi sang for her in Badi Maa (1945). I have asked the Masters to confirm it

27 n.venkataraman September 19, 2012 at 10:16 pm

AK ji
Your friend, Arvind ji is absolutely right.
But the lyrics, except the first two lines, are different, as it so often happens with folk songs. In fact, in the Abbasuddin’s version, you will find the word “Kinar”, (Kul nai Kinar nai) whereas in the Salil Choudhury’s version, it is “Kul Nai Seema nai”.
Both the versions are good and appropriate for this post.
Thank you Arvind ji and AK ji.
Both the Classical pieces were good, but I enjoyed the rendition by Bhuvanesh Komakali much more.

28 n.venkataraman September 19, 2012 at 10:19 pm

Ashk Vaishnav ji,
Your eloquence on the subject is mind-boggling.
Please continue the journey.

29 Anu Warrier September 20, 2012 at 3:53 am

AK, Lata’s first Hindi song was in a Marathi film Gajabhau(1943) – the song was Hindustan ke logon ab to mujhko pehchano. Her first song in a Hindi film was in Badi Maa (1945). Only, Mata tere charanon mein was not picturised on Asha, but on Lata herself. (Straight from the horse’s mouth – Lata Mangeshkar in Conversation with Nasreen Munni Kabir.)

30 AK September 20, 2012 at 7:25 am

All this is of course known. That is why Asha Bhosle’s statement that Lata Mangeshkar sang playback for her in Badi Maa (1945) becomes startling, because it directly controverts Lata. Sudhir Kapur is compiling several firsts of Lata Mangeshkar, such as:

1. First Marathi song in a Marathi film recorded but not used – Kitti Hasil (1942)

2. First Marathi song in a Marathi film – Pahli Mahaganagaur (1942)

3. First Hindi song in a Marathi film (now we come to Gajabhau)

4. First Hindi song in a Hindi film on herself.

5. First Hindi playback in a Hindi film.

Very frankly I do not have a great deal of interest in such details. I got interested because of two versions of truth given by the two great sisters.

31 Anu Warrier September 20, 2012 at 8:53 am

Lata’s comment in her Conversations was: There is a mistaken notion that the song in Badi Maa was picturised on Asha; I sang it both on screen and off.

I’m not very interested in such minute details either, but when I saw the discussion, I couldn’t help going off to find out. It helped that I have ‘Conversations’ in a shelf beside me. :))

32 AK September 20, 2012 at 9:36 pm

That settles it beyond doubt. Thanks a lot. But what is intriguing is – did Asha Bhosle have lapse of memory or was she intentionally trying to create confusion?

33 Ashok M Vaishnav September 20, 2012 at 10:51 pm

Shri AKji,
I do not possess any special talent. It is just that my gut feeling only gets appreciated by connoisseurs like you all, and it gets higher valuation as result, just like our old saying which says that you are measured by the company that you remain in.
Aan Milo Aan Milo is, to the best of my understanding is set to the popular Bengali Folk music tradition of Bauls. In fact, the dance rhythm, dressing style of protagonists etc. in the film also seem to have been modelled on that traditional style.
I have done a small write up on this subject @ http://amvaishnav.wordpress.com/2012/07/24/the-bauls-and-baul-traditions/

34 Subodh Agrawal September 24, 2012 at 11:40 am

A better recording of Jayadev’s Geeta Govinda. The lines ‘Dheer samire, yamuna teere’ come around 2:50. The first half of the recoding is Yaman, the second half Desh. Kelucharan Mohapatra:

35 AK September 24, 2012 at 12:12 pm

Subodh, you have linked a fantastic piece. I especially liked the Desh with violin’s beautiful prelude.

I just came across this Kinare kinare dariya by Pt Kumar Gandharva in Yaman/Kalyan. We have so far only known Yamuna ke teer in classical Ragas. This makes this piece quit unique. Is there something in Kinare which makes it so suitable for Yaman?

36 aparna September 24, 2012 at 4:30 pm

AKji, can I request you – how about posting songs on the theme “majhdhaar”? Related to nadi, kinara, maajhi etc., so will be on the same lines.
As usual, I loved the selection of songs. Most of them are unheard by me. Gems, all of them.

Thank you,
Aparna

37 AK September 24, 2012 at 4:55 pm

Aparna,
Sounds interesting, and would complete the river and related themes. I have made a mental note of it for some appropriate time.

38 n.venkataraman September 24, 2012 at 7:45 pm

The Geeta Govind clipping was treat to both ears and eyes. Impeccable, graceful movements.
Pt.Kumar Gandharv’s Yaman was captivating.

39 Nivedita September 27, 2012 at 12:44 pm

Here is one more: The Talat-Shamshad duet from Babul (1950)– Nadi kinaare saath.

40 Nivedita September 27, 2012 at 12:46 pm

forgot the link: http://youtu.be/BhBYt_5GxaE

41 AK September 29, 2012 at 1:21 pm

Beautiful song Nivedita. I had used in my post on Songs of River.

42 mumbaikar8 January 20, 2013 at 6:31 am

I am too late on this article,
but better late than never,
As usual another feather in your cap.
My favourite kinare song is “Kashti ka khamosh safar hai”
mentioned by Anuji.
I cannot comment on the later classical part because I have to admit
Classical music is greek and latin for me,
though I still enjoy but do not understand a bit of it.
TOTALLY ANGUTHA CHHAP

43 AK January 20, 2013 at 7:49 am

mumbaikar8
You are never too late for Songs of Yore. These are eternal gems. Thanks for your kind words. As for literacy about classical music, I can only refer you to my post on A novice’s romance with Raga Durga.

44 mumbaikar8 January 21, 2013 at 4:25 am

Thanks, I will to through that post ASAP.
Just recollected this Amirbai’s classic bhajan for kinare collection
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KdzecHZE94

45 Bharat J Patwala March 12, 2013 at 9:45 pm

AKji,
” Kinara ” has secured stunning response. I am delighted with comments & contributions from erudite readers.All songs mentioned are popular and I find Suraiya’s song from Kanoon very nostalgic.I have to spare time to fully explore this treasure.
Meanwhile I mention one non filmi Geet from Hemantkumar which was very popular in those days.I am sure readers will like it.
” Dil Ko Lekar Tum Kinare Ho Gaye…..” Lyrics : Pt Madhur & Md is Dutga Sen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQaE2wCxi8g
Thanks.

46 AK March 14, 2013 at 8:48 pm

Bharat J Patwala
Excellent addition to Kinara collection. I do not remember to have heard it. Anything fromHemant Kumar is sweet. Thanks a lot.

47 ksbhatia February 24, 2014 at 1:13 am

AK,ji I am also late on this post and am really enjoying the follow up comments . I have very liking of these three songs which are my favourites 1..Nadi kinare saath hamare le ke jawani ayi….. a Talat -Shamshad duet from Babul 2.. Us paar sajan is paar dharen lechal oh maaji kinare …….Lata from Chori Chori and 3…Daman mein daag lagga baithhe hum pyaar mein dhokha kha baithe [ refer second stanza…. woh door kinara kar baithhe….] Mohd Rafi from Dhool Ka Phool . To me these three songs depicts … Lovers in romance , Lovers longing to meet and Lovers separated by faults . Any takers?

48 arvindersharma May 3, 2014 at 11:04 pm

KS Bhatia ji,
Latecomers are not barred from enjoying SoY (my personal experience) and the songs you have mentioned are gems, the second and the third ones being my eternal favourites.
Rather, it becomes more interesting when the stalwarts have exhausted their resources and minions like me sneak in.
Two forgotten gems of 50’s, I would like to add to this post.
Lehron se pooch lo ya kinaro se pooch lo by Lata/Kishore from ‘Kaafila’, music by Husnlal Bhagatram
and
O naar albeli, Na jaiyo re akeli, tu jamuna kinare aha Ji by Geeta Dutt and chorus from ‘Naagpadmini’, music by Sanmukh Babu.
By taking some lyrical liberty, I’ll be mentioning two melodious songs, which have used ‘teer’ instead of ‘kinara’.
Kaise aaun jamuna ke teer by Lata from ‘Suvarnasundari’ music by Adi Narain Rao
and
Muraliya baaje re jamuna ke teer by Lata from ‘Toofan aur Diya’, music by Vasant Desai.

49 AK May 3, 2014 at 11:18 pm

Sharmaji,
Yes, old posts are being as actively discussed as the current posts. For lovers of old film music, nothing becomes dated.

All songs you have added are fabulous. However, there seems to be an inadvertent error. Kaise jaaun Jamuna ke teer is from Devataa, C Ramchandra.

Teer is as lyrical as kinara. Thanks a lot for adding these songs.

50 arvindersharma May 3, 2014 at 11:25 pm

Mistake admitted, AK Ji,
and thanks for immediate correction.

51 ksbhatia May 6, 2014 at 11:52 pm

Sharma’ji, Many thanks for adding the jewels in my booty. I will request you to refer to ” Songs on Naiya ” observations @42 . I think Shakeel excelled in using the words Naiya , bhanwar , kishti , nadia , majhdar ,mounje , sahil , dhare ,kinare , saagar , darya ,toofan etc. My other favourites in the list are ……1. Chale ja rahen hain mohabat ke mare kinare kinare by Mana dey ……..2 Roun mein saagar ke kinare by C H Atma …….3. Na toofan se khelo na sahil se khelo by Rafi ……4. Tu ganga ki mouj main yamuna ki dhara by Rafi – Lata ……5. Koi saagar dil ko bhailata nahin by Rafi ……6 Dil ki kashti bhanwar mein aai hai by Lata’ji and above all…..7. Haale dil main kya kahoon mushkil hai mere saamne……and ……8 . O more saayan ji utrein ge paar re nadiya dhire bahao by Lata’ji film …Udan khatola . There are many songs to follow ,will add later.

52 shrirang July 9, 2014 at 9:47 am

Listening to Hindustani Instrumental radio on mio.to (the current version of the old and beloved musicindiaonline.com), I heard Shujaat Hussain Khan’s rendition of Raga Piloo from his album Six Ragas. He interperses it with just a few words from this song; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMQFpwv1Chs
and the effect is magical. I heard the song later only because I was haunted by the beautiful and moving demand of the river; O river, please flow gently, for my dear one is to reach the other shore. Any list about songs of kinare is incomplete without just that thought ….

53 AK July 9, 2014 at 9:52 am

Shrirang,
Welcome to SoY. Obviously, More sainyaji utarenge paar ho is one of the greatest river sings. It would be great if you could link Shujat Hussain Khan’s rendering.

54 shrirang July 9, 2014 at 9:53 am

Having added the post, I read the last one, and the last song mentioned by ksbhatia is indeed the same about which I had written. @ksbhatia, pl listen to Shujaat Hussain rendition.

55 shrirang July 9, 2014 at 10:08 am

The swift response points to your passion for SoY. Here is the link. http://mio.to/#/album/23-Classical_Hindustani_Instrumental/25482-Six_Ragas/. What follows is a digression. Obviously, listening to instrumental music is a pleasure in itself. But interspersing it with vocals is something I have observed in a tv interview of Bismillah Khan too. He broke into a thumri suddenly, sang a few snatches and then back to playing shehnai again. But that was to illustrate a point. But this harkat by Shujaat Hussain must be his way of acknowledging some deeper yearning.

56 N Venkataraman July 9, 2014 at 8:37 pm

Shrirang,
Thanks for the link. One hour of pure delight.

57 arvindersharma July 19, 2014 at 7:03 pm

While doing this post, an old gem not known to me passed my eyes and I could not help myself posting it for the benifit of old time listeners.
A song from Hunterwali Ki Beti, enacted on screen by the famous Nadia and John Cowas, music by Channalal Naik. I am not aware of the singers of this song.
Chanchal Dhara Nadi Kinara – Nadia, Hunterwali Ki…: http://youtu.be/ho6QH0xDgAw

Another beautiful song, Bulbul ko mila phool to nadi ko kinara, by Surendra and Geeta Dutt from film ‘Meri Kahani’, music by K Dutta.
Bulbul Ko Mila Phool To Nadi Ko Kinara Geeta Dutt…: http://youtu.be/JOWllpLyXFg

A multi singer song, Nadiya kinare mora dera by singers Shamshad Begum, Geeta Roy, Mohammed Rafi, Chitragupta and Rajkumari, music by Chitragupta from ‘Tarang’
(I could not find the names of Chitragupta and Rajkumari mentioned anywhere).
Geeta Dutt , Mohd Rafi, Shamshad Beghum: Nadiya k…: http://youtu.be/Q6X8uQLtDSQ

A solo by Lata, Tu kahan chali kuch bol, nadi ki dhara, from ‘Ratnaghar’ music by Sudhir Phadke.
Lata Mangeshkar – Tu Kahan Chali Kuchh Bol – Ratn…: http://youtu.be/zGTceC30lCk

Another solo by Lata, Main to jaaun na Jamuna kinare, from ‘Baap Bete’ music by Madanmohan.
Main to Jaun Na Jamuna Kinare – Lata Mangeshkar: http://youtu.be/vXF0dU8CXEk

A classical song from ‘Jhanak Jhanak Payal Babe’ Murli manohar Krishna Kanhaiya Jamuna me tat pe’ bol sung by Famous Gopi Krishna, and sung by Manna De and Lata, music by Vasant Desai.
Jhanak Jhanak Payal Baje: http://youtu.be/3kIey2rq0kc

A parody song by Mohammed Rafi, enacted by Johny Walker anMohammed, Kaise aaun nadiya me teer, from ‘Jawani Ki Hawa’ music by Ravi.
“KAISE AAOO NADIYA KE TEER,JA RE JA MERA DIL NA J…: http://youtu.be/aN-t9erkfHo

58 arvindersharma July 19, 2014 at 8:08 pm

AK Ji,
While writing the previous post, my mind was occupied by Subodh Ji’ comments, (comment no 3) where he mentioned the usage of ‘Kinara’ as an idiom for avoiding something.
Well, there is a another beautiful song by Talat from ‘Dil e Nadaan’, music by Ghulam Mohammed,
Jo khushi se chot khaye, wo jigar kahan se laaun.
The expression of ‘Kinara’ as described by Subodh Ji is in the opening of the song.
Jo Khushi Se Chot Khaaye Talat Mahmood Film Dil-e…: http://youtu.be/IKRq3zptVZA

59 D P Rangan October 2, 2015 at 3:15 am

My understanding of Hindi lyrics is as less as its ignorance about it is more. My head started swimming when I perused through this bombardment from all experts. I may have overlooked. I remember one song from Babul- Nadi kinare sung by Mohammad Rafi and Shamshad Begum. Here is the link

https://youtu.be/Pcmc3CNSrww

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