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Songs of Yore has been known for its adda-like atmosphere where the readers often wandered quite far from the theme under discussion. Yet, there must have been occasions when they felt the need for a separate page where they could post anything which did not fit in anywhere on the blog.  Open House is borne out of the readers’ suggestion to meet this need. This is your forum; everything relating to films and songs of yore, or whatever else you want to share with like-minded people, is welcome here.  –  AK

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1 AK November 3, 2014 at 11:19 am

R.I.P. Sadashiv Amrapukar
This is not the kind of start I would have imagined for Open House. As I was about to inform the readers about the creation of this link, to cater for discussion on topics which may not fit anywhere else on the blog, in came the news of his passing away early this morning after a prolonged illness. It is eerie because a weak ago rumours of his death spread, prompting many sites to post their condolences.

Sadashiv Amarpurkar was not lucky this time. He has been on life support for a couple of weeks in a Mumbai hospital, from complications out of prolonged diabetes. He had started responding to the treatment, but finally gave up the struggle, leaving this world at a relatively young age of 64.

I loved the कुटिल मुस्कान of the creepy politician in Ardha Satya. There have been bad politicians before, but never one like Rama Shetty, whose courteous welcome with a sly smile would fill the honest Inspector (Om Puri) with helpless, silent rage. He was the fulcrum of that great Govind Nihalani classic. There have been bad politicians since, but they had to be over the top, and they had to blow up the country, they had to kill and maim thousands with bombs or missiles or spurious drugs to be noticed, but none I remember as sharply as I do Rama Shetty, which fetched Sadashiv Amrapurkar Filmfare Award for the Best Supporting role, in his debut in Hindi films. Such class act happens once in a lifetime, but I remember him in Mohra and some other films; he always made impact with his distinct accent and dialogue delivery.

May his soul rest in peace.

SoY readers have wide-ranging interests, which shows in their comments on the blog. Hans gave a concrete idea to create a separate link for such general discussion; he also suggested some names, like Chaupal etc. I felt ‘Open House’ sounded more appropriate. You would find its link prominently at the top.

Welcome to the Open House. Today is an unfortunate coincidence, but in the days to come we would have nicer things to discuss.

AK

2 arvindersharma November 3, 2014 at 12:11 pm

AK Ji,
Thanks for the quick response and I would also like to thank Hans Ji, whose idea has given birth to this post.
I too would like to join you in paying my respects to the departed soul.

3 N.Venkataraman November 3, 2014 at 3:17 pm

AK ji,
Thanks for this wonderful addition. My thanks to Han ji for initiating this idea.
I also join you in paying my respects to Sadashiv Amrapukar’ soul.

4 Ashok M Vaishnav November 3, 2014 at 4:23 pm

Even as we join open house with an obituary, the fact that such a forum is now available helps to move ahead with such dichotomies of life.
Let us make this forum a great joint…..

Thanks, AKJi, for so wonderfully responding tour readers’ views. Marketing professionals should learn a lesson form you!

5 mumbaikar8 November 3, 2014 at 6:32 pm

AK,
Joining in paying my respects to Sadashiv Amrpurkar. He will always be remembered as Rama Shetty. What a performance!
Thanks to Hans for proposing,to Sharmaji for pushing the idea of the open house.
And biggest thanks to you for responding so wonderfully I truly ditto Ashok ji views.

6 ksbhatia November 3, 2014 at 8:29 pm

SOY family, Felt really sad to know the demise of Sadashiv Amrapurkar . He will be remembered forever for his milestone performance in Ardha Satya .

7 maheshmamadapur November 4, 2014 at 12:03 pm

RIP Sadashiv Amrpurkar. The first recipient of Filmfare’s Best Actor in a villainous role.

For my knowledge enrichment and passion of old hindi songs, let me break the ice with the following questions.

Did Mukesh ever have sing a duet with Amirbhai Karnataki, Jagit Kaur or NoorJahan? Who is Noorjehan singing with Mukesh in Do Bhoond Pani under the music direction of Jaidev ?

Its really unfortunate that Mukesh is so unrepresented in above combos in spite of being the senior-most amongst many of his contemporaries .

I don’t have any clue of my own questions and also don’t know if its appropriate to ask such questions here, but as I said I just wanted to break the ice and get things moving.

Regards to all SOY members.

8 AK November 4, 2014 at 10:08 pm

Mahesh,
This is absolutely the right forum for such questions. From all the available information, it appears Mukesh did not have any duet with Amirbai Karnataki, which is surprising because he had duets with most vintage singers, such as Zohrabai Ambalewali, Rajkumari and Khursheed. One can be certain he did not have any duet with Noorjehan either, it feels odd to think of them together. Even with Rafi she had just one duet Yahan badla wafa ka bewafai ke siwa kya hai from Jugnu (1947). I checked up the Do Boond Paani song on YT. Noorjehan who is mentioned is definitely not the Malika-e-Tarannum Noorjehan. I have no clue about her.

Jagjit Kaur is an interesting case. Khayyam did give some very famous songs for Mukesh, couldn’t he create a duet between the two? I guess by that time Jagjit Kaur had left active singing. However, this would need confirmation from more knowledgeable people.

9 N Venkataraman November 4, 2014 at 10:39 pm

Mahesh ji,
You are right, Mukesh did not sing any song (as far as I know) with Jagjit Kaur, Noorjehan (Allah Wasai) or Amirbai Karnataki. But to keep the discussion moving I would like to add a few lines.

Mukesh and Amirbai Karnataki have worked together in two movies as playback singers. Mukesh rendered two solos, one duet with Zohrabai Ambalewali and two triads with Zoharabai Ambalewali and Geeta Roy in the film Preet Ka Geet (1950). Later in 1961, Mukesh sang two solos and Amirbai had one duet with Talat Mehmood in the film Matlabi Duniya.

Similarly Mukesh and Jagjit Kaur worked together as playback singers in only one film, Mutthi bhar chawal (1975). Mukesh had one solo and Jagjit Kaur rendered a duet with Mahendra Kapoor.

10 N Venkataraman November 4, 2014 at 10:43 pm

Amirbai Karnataki sang one sole in Preet ka geet (1950)

11 AK November 5, 2014 at 1:03 pm

Venkataramanji,
Mukesh and Zohrabai Ambalewali had a beautiful duet in Sartaaj (1950), composed by Husnlal Bhagatram – Manwa mein pyar dole. Zohra had another song in the movie. So, there could be more examples of their association.

12 N Venkataraman November 5, 2014 at 7:47 pm

AK ji,
Listened to the song Manwa mein pyar dole. Lovely duet. Both the songs mentioned by you were penned by Majrooh Sutanpuri.
As far as I know, Mukesh and Zohrabai Ambalewali together sang in three films. Besides Sartaj (1950) and Preet ka geet (1950), they had rendered two duets, Pyar se humko kaleje se Janno and Patthar se tum doodh bahawo, in the film Neel Kamal (1947). The songs were penned by Kedar Sharma and music was by B Vasudev.

13 Arunkumar Deshmukh November 5, 2014 at 10:19 pm

Venkataraman ji,

Allow me to state that Mukesh sang 5 songs with Zohrabai in 4 films
2 in neel kamal
1 each in Pagle,preet ka geet and Sartaj.

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14 N Venkataraman November 5, 2014 at 11:00 pm

Arun ji,
Namaskar.
I was not aware of the duet, O balma tere bina chain kahan, from Pagle (1950). Thanks for introducing me to another wonderful vintage song.
Beside the five duets, it seems Zohrabai Ambalevali, Mukesh and Geet Roy had rendered 2 more songs (triads) in the film Preet ka reet (Comment #9). The song Ek taraf jal raha deepak is available in YT. I could not locate the other song Jis ki vaani me bijli. I wonder how many more such hidden gems are there to be unearthed.

15 AK November 5, 2014 at 11:32 pm

Venkataramanji and Arunji,
So we have 7 songs having Mukesh and Zohrabai Ambalewali. Mahesh’s some other enquiry has led us to another useful information.

You have mentioned Neel Kamal and BV Vasudev. I believe he is the same person who later adopted the name of Snehal Bhatkar (after his daughter Snehal), to get around some contractual constraints. Mahesh had also mentioned Mukesh with Jagjit Kaur. The world is round. Let me give some Mukesh-Jagjit Kaur-Snehal Bhatkar connection. Jagjit Kaur sang Amir Khusro’s Kaahe ko byahi bides in Umraao Jaan (1981). Mukesh had sung the same song in Suhagraat (1948), composed by Snehal Bhatkar.

16 Arunkumar Deshmukh November 6, 2014 at 11:51 am

AK ji,

Snehal Bhatkar could not use his real name V.G.Bhatkar initially as he was employed by HMV. For few initial films he used names as follows-

1. Rukmini Swayamwar (1946) – Bilingual, with Sudhir Phadke as Vasudev-Sudhir
2. Neel Kamal (1947) – as B. Vasudev
3. Sant Tukaram (1948) – as V. G Bhatkar
4. Suhaag Raat (1948) – as Snehal
5. Sati Ahalya (1949) – as V. G Bhatkar
6. Thes (1949) – as Snehal
7. Hamaari Beti (1950)
8. Pagle (1950) – as V. G Bhatkar

However,from film Hamari Beti-1950 ( which came after film Pagle),he started using Snehal Bhatkar,because he had left HMV by then.
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17 AK November 6, 2014 at 3:28 pm

Arunji,
Thank you for this complete information

18 ksbhatia November 6, 2014 at 11:48 pm

AK’ji , A very little is known about Kanu ghosh , a forgotten MD, who gave a very beautiful sad song by Mukesh ” Do roz mein woh pyar ka alam ” a 1959 m0vie Pyar KI Rahen . Certain MDs appear for a short time and disappears with a trail of good songs to cherish later on . same happened to Daan Singh who left us with ” Woh tere pyar ka gaam “. I think Kanu Ghosh needs to be included in the Radar zone of forgotten MDs.

19 mumbaikar8 November 7, 2014 at 3:44 am

Bhatia ji,
Thanks for reminding this beautiful song Do roz me from Pyar ki rahen.
I distinctly remember my mom, listening this song on 78 rpm record, on the other side was Asha’s gem Hum bhi is duniya me kya taqdeer lekar aaye hai.

20 AK November 7, 2014 at 11:18 am

Bhatiaji,
Do roz mein wo pyar ka aalam wo pyar ka aalm guzar gaya is an immortal song. That makes him a worthy candidate for the series on Forgotten Composers. I need to find some more songs of his.

21 Arunkumar Deshmukh November 7, 2014 at 6:49 pm

AK ji,

Here is some information about Kanu ghosh, included by me in one of my articles…
” Kanu Ghosh worked as an assistant music director for movies like Do Bigha Zameen (1953), Madhumati (1958), Parakh (1960), Prem Patra (1962), Half Ticket(1962) and Annadatta (1972) etc etc
Kanu Ghosh’s songs were sung by the mellifluous voices of great playback singers like Manna Dey, Geeta Dutt, Mohammed Rafi, Mukesh, Lata Mangeshkar, Kishore Kumar, Asha Bhonsle, Alka Yagnik S. P. Balasubramaniam, Chitra, Kumar Sanu and Udit Narayan.
Prem Dhawan, Dev Kohli, Anand Bakshi, Javed Akhtar and Indeewar are some of the lyricists who penned the lyrics to some of his compositions.

Discography
Films
Naya Zamana (1957)
Pyar Ki Rahen (1959)
Do Roti-1957

After Television came to Bombay,kanu Ghosh joined Doordarshan as a music Director and was seen in many ” Sahgaan”s,conducting the orchestra.

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(Please see Arunji’s revised notes at #34 – AK)

22 AK November 7, 2014 at 7:54 pm

Arunji,
This is very useful. Open House now truly becomes a forum for sharing.

23 ksbhatia November 7, 2014 at 7:56 pm

Arunkumar Deshmukh ji , Thanks for the detailed information . I must confess that it was just a chance i picked up the Mukesh number and got so much involved in the sadness of the song. Now I find that his [ Kanu ghosh ] association with Salil Da during 60s was superb . And with others I will dig thru . Mumbaiker8 ji, thanks for sharing the feelings. right now I will listen to Asha’s song suggested by your goodself.

24 mumbaikar8 November 7, 2014 at 8:24 pm

Mahesh raised a question “who is Noor Jahan singing in Do Boond Pani”,
That is still a mystery.
This song from Pakistani movie Yahudi Ki larki the singer is undoubtedly Asha , now the question is, has she sung for Pakistani movie or the MD had the rights for the song and used in a Pak movie ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-VhRPhtTFU

25 Arunkumar Deshmukh November 7, 2014 at 9:59 pm

Mumbaikar ji,

Till about 1965,there was almost a free flow between the film artistes of India and Pakistan. During this period actresses like Meena(Shorey) did few films in India-though migrated to Pakistan,and Sheila Ramani did a film Anokhi in 1955 in Pakistan. Talat,Hemant,Geeta and Asha sang songs in Pakistani films. Most times the Pakistani crew used to come here,record the songs and go back. Composer Timir Baran Bhattacharya gave music to 2 West Pakistani films-Anokhi-55 and Fankaar-56 and Jog Biyog-70 in East Pakistan. So,really speaking there is no mystery at all about Asha’s song.
As far as the Noorjahan song is concerned,it seems there was another younger Noorjahan who sang few songs in Hindi films. She has no connection with the original Noorjaham. However not much information is available on this jr. Noorjehan.
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26 mumbaikar8 November 7, 2014 at 10:25 pm

Arunji thanks for the prompt and detailed reply.

27 maheshmamadapur November 8, 2014 at 11:58 am

AK ji,

Several confusions to be cleared. I must come in now.
#8. You have forgotten to add the word “not” in the last line of the first para and changed the whole meaning of the sentence. How I wish what you have written was true.

#20 woh tera pyar ka gham was scored by Daan Singh of whom you already have a great post. You meant to say you need to collect more songs and make a post of Kanu Ghosh I suppose. I know you are not mixing up, but a single para will confuse readers.

#21 Arun Sir, Kanu Ghosh assisting Salim Sulaiman? I find it very hard to digest. Unfortunately, I don’t know much about Kanu Ghosh and I don’t care to know about new composers. Please clarify.

28 Arunkumar Deshmukh November 8, 2014 at 12:21 pm

Mahesh ji,

Thanks for pointing out . Not only this name ,but the entire first paragraph has crept in inadvertantly. The entire para has to be removed. I am sorry for this lapse on my part.

AK ji,

Kindly remove the entire first para starting from ” Kanu Ghosh…..to
M.M.Kareem ” to avoid further confusion.
Thanks.

If Kanu ji knew that I joined his name with stalwarts like Anu malik and M M Kareem,he would haunt me on Amavasya,surely.

29 maheshmamadapur November 8, 2014 at 12:55 pm

Arun Sir,

I am also doubtful of the singers name like SP, Chitra et. al. and even some of the lyric writers mentioned in your comment #21. When he composed independently for very few movies in late 50’s and early 60’s these names simply don’t add-up.

30 Arunkumar Deshmukh November 8, 2014 at 1:50 pm

Mahesh ji,

Kanu Ghosh joined Doordashan and was with it for pretty long time presenting private songs sung by upcoming artistes. The singers/Lyricists’ names do not pertain only to his films,i believe.
Moreover he was music assistant for many films-
Annadata (music assistant)
1971 Mere Apne (assistant music)
1971 Anand (assistant musical director)
1969 Ittefaq (music assistant)
1965 Shaheed (assistant music)
1962 Half Ticket (music assistant)
1962 Prem Patra (music assistant)
1961 Chhaya (assistant music – as Kanu Ghose)
1961 Maya (assistant music)
1961 Mem-Didi (music assistant – as Kanu Gosh)
1961 Kabuliwala (chief assistant to music director)
1960 Kanoon (music assistant)
1960 The Test (assistant music)
1959 The River (assistant musical director)
1958 Madhumati (music assistant)
1957 Apradhi Kaun? (music assistant – as Kanu Ghose)
1957 Musafir (music assistant)
1956 Jagte Raho (assistant musical director)
1954 Biraj Bahu (music assistant)
1953 Do Bigha Zamin (music assistant)

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31 AK November 8, 2014 at 3:00 pm

Mahesh,
Thanks a lot for correcting the mistakes. Hope, now it is cleaned up. Every time I try to post some comment from a mobile phone, I end up with these bloomers.

Arunji,
I have corrected as desired. I would still add my doubts to Mahesh’s. Could he have worked with the singers of 90s and the new millennium, whose private songs are not well-known? There might be some mix-up again.

32 Arunkumar Deshmukh November 8, 2014 at 3:44 pm

I will check up and come back.

33 ksbhatia November 8, 2014 at 10:49 pm

SOY family, From the list provided by Arunkumar Deshmukh it is clear that Kanu Ghosh mainly assisted Salil da from 1953 -71 . For Jagte raho and Madhumati I think Sebistian [Asst to SJ] was also there as assistant to Salil da.

34 AK November 9, 2014 at 8:39 am

Revised note on Kanu Ghosh by Arunkumar Deshmukh

Arunji has informed me that there was some mix-up in the notes he prepared on Kanu Ghosh (#21 and subsequent interaction). I am posting the revised note he has sent me.

“Kanu Ghosh started his career in music in Calcutta in the 50s. However, except few songs by Geeta Roy and Hemant Da, he could not proceed further. On the invitation of Salil Chaudhary, he came down to Bombay and remained Salil Da’s assistant for more than 20 films. His first song, however, was in Teen Batti Char Raasta (1953). The composer Pt. Shivram had made a multilingual song for the film and the Bangla part of the song was composed by Kanu Ghosh.

“The films in which he contributed significantly for Salil Chaudhary were Do Bigha Zameen, Biraj Bahu, Naukari, Aawaz, Parivaar, Jaagte Raho, Apradhi Kaun, Madhumati, Parakh, Saara Aakash, Chhaya, Maaya, Kabuliwala, Usne Kaha Tha, Chhoti Si Baat, Mere Apne, Anand, Annadata, Chand Aur Suraj, Uranchhoo and Musafir.

“Some other films were The River, The Test, Kanoon, Prem Patra, Half Ticket, Shaheed and Ittefaq.

“He himself composed music only for 2 films: Naya Zamana (1957) and Pyar Ki Raahen (1959).

“After television came to India, he joined Doordarshan as a Choir Director. Before that he was Choir Director for Bombay University and also All India Radio. One could often see Kanu Ghosh on TV conducting chorus songs.”

35 Arvind R P November 9, 2014 at 10:25 am

Hi all, excuse me if this is an odd sounding post. I am trying to locate a classical song that used to come regularly in the DD era. Features a couple of singers in front of a Bengali aristocratic audience, feat. Rehman. Thunder and lightening happen in the song. Many thanks in advance

36 maheshmamadapur November 9, 2014 at 10:53 am

Well,let me now introduce an absolute gem. Off all the movies discussed wherein Kanu Ghosh assisted Salilda, one landmark movie is missing. Its “CHAR DIWARI”.

37 maheshmamadapur November 9, 2014 at 11:00 am

Continuation please…..

The movie is landmark because the titles show Shashi Kapoor as “introducing”.
This movie has a song rendered by Mukesh wherein he exceeds his own limit of vocal pathos which we commonly find in most of his sad songs.

Here is the gem..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbk_iQ-j5Co

38 maheshmamadapur November 9, 2014 at 11:44 am

I am sorry for the repeated botheration, but here’s a better audio song without the dialogues.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwLTup4bhGA

The song introduced by bhatiaji “Do roz mein wo pyar ka aalam” and this one from Char Diwari are my top favorites. I like these songs so much that I avoid listening to them often, for when I listen to them the next time, I once again would like to admire the phenomena called Mukesh.

39 AK November 9, 2014 at 4:17 pm

Arvind RP,
Welcome to SoY. Everything relating to music is welcome here. I should guess it was Sur Malhar by Pt Bhimsen Joshi. It came frequently. There was thunder in the song, besides the thunder in Panditji’s mesmerising voice towards the end. One of my greatest favourites. But I don’t remember who sat in the audience. The YT link unfortunately does not give the video. Here is the song, if this is the one you are looking for.

Pt Bhimsen Joshi sings Raga Sur Malhaar

40 AK November 9, 2014 at 4:29 pm

Mahesh,
What a coincidence, I think it was you who said recently that Duniya gol hai. A new reader, Arvind RP, just reminded me of Pt Bhimsen Joshi (if I am reading his mind correctly). One of his most popular pieces, which became kind of his signature song, was his Thumri in Mishra Kafi, Ab piya to maanat naahi, ab kaun gunan se mannaun re, and you come up with Mukesh’s Kaise manaaun piyawa gun mere eko naahi, one of the greatest songs of Mukesh in my list too.

41 ksbhatia November 9, 2014 at 11:35 pm

Mahesh, Thanks for another gem of Mukesh song from ” Char Diwari “. Mukesh has given us many sad songs to cherrish . Some time you come across so many songs and you suddenly find hidden ones ; such as these ;which take you back down the memory lane and leave you spellbound and connect you to your younger days. ” Saranga teri yaad mein ” , ” Aaj rona parra to samjhe hasne ka mole kya hai”, “Dukhi man mere sun mera kahena “,” Sun ja pukar “, ” Aari mehto prem diwani mera dard na jaane koy ” , ” Guzra hua zamana aata nahi dobaara ” ,” Aye mere dileye nadan tu gam se na gabhrana ” ” So bar janam lenge ” ……… These are some the songs which are coming at random in my mind. Listning to them after a period of time is a great pleasure .

42 Hans November 10, 2014 at 3:28 pm

Sorry for being so late in joining Open House. Thanks to AK and all my fellow readers for showing such love and affection for just an ordinary suggestion of mine. This thought had been lingering in my mind for quite some time because I wanted to post something but felt odd to do it without context. But, recently I had become very irregular. Now I saw our research zealots like Mumhaikar8, Arvinder Sharma, Ksbhatia, Mahesh and others posting their info in ongoing threads and the idea revived.

I am happy the open thread is serving its purpose. You can see how just one question by Mahesh elicited wealth of info from our stalwarts. I am would also say what I know about the points raised.

43 Hans November 10, 2014 at 4:52 pm

First, about the point raised by Mahesh. Lot of info has been given by Deshmukhji and Venkatramanji. About Amirbai I want to add that she sang in at least two more films in addition to those specified by Venkatramanji. These were Beete Din (1947) and Vidya (1948). In Beete Din Amirbai had five solos and Mukesh had one solo, but they did not have a duet together. Similarly in Vidya ( which was reverse of Sujata, where Dev Anand was low caste and Amirbai played the mother of Suraiyya ) Amirbai had three solos, while Mukesh had one solo and one duet with Suraiyya. It is a surprise that even after working together in 4 films they do not have a duet.

Mukesh had in fact duets with almost everyone of vintage era singers. Of the 152 songs of Mukesh from 1941 to 1950 – the list of which I have – 94 are duets. Of these 82 are male-female, 4 male-male and 8 mixed. Mukesh sang these 82 songs with a total of 20 female singers, starting with Nalini Jaywant. We do not find this variety in the later years. I agree with Mahesh that this period (which we call vintage era) of Mukesh or for that matter other singers needs to be mentioned more.

I am posting a song from Heer Ranjha released in 1970 in which Madan Mohan used three singers with panjabi background viz. Shamshad, Noorjehan and Jagjit Kaur. This was a marriage song and Noorjehan is unmistakeably singing there. Madan Mohan used them with special historic purpose. If Noorjehan came to sing this song, it is quite possible that Jaidev might have used her in Do Boond Paani with the same objective, because in that Mukesh song there is only one line sung by the female singer (from voice tone she does not appear to be Noorjehan).

Nache ang ve – Heer Ranjha (1970) – music Madan Mohan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J78nCh0ak5I

I will come back with more later.

44 maheshmamadapur November 10, 2014 at 6:00 pm

Jagjit Kaur was the assistant music director of Kabhie Kabhie 1976 in which Mukesh had 3 soulful solos and one great duet with Lata. She could have been assistant in other Khaiyyam movies also which I am not aware of.
So near yet so far as far as the combo with Jagjit Kaur is concerned.

45 Hans November 10, 2014 at 9:08 pm

There is no end to new discoveries in the golden era of hfm. When I was looking for Mukesh duets, I saw that he has five duets with Surinder Kaur which he sang in two 1949 films Dada (music Nashad) and Sunehre Din (music Gyan Dutt). Sunehre Din I had downloaded earlier but had not seen. When I watched the duet ‘lo ji sun lo tumse kehte hain’, I found that in the video clip Rehana is listening a record of Raj Kapoor (who is singer in the fillm) and also in between singing along the song. Earlier I had watched such a song in Oonche Log where Feroz Khan listens to Lata song ‘haye re tere chanchal nainwa’ on transistor and hums the mukhda (in Mahendra Kapoor’s voice) and thought it the first such song. Both the Sunehre Din and Oonche Log songs are top class. From Sunehre Din I am giving the link of Shamshad solo ‘thandi thandi hawa jo aaye’. Listen how Shamshad modulates her voice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPFDAwB3KcI

In cpmment 11 AK referred to ‘manwa men pyar dole’ which I had listened on radio long back. Even in those days I had related its tune with Lata song ‘nainon men pyar dole’ from film Sheroo (1957) in which Madan Mohan gave music. Please listen if I am right or not:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCNbenOIKRU

During the same research for Mukesh songs, I found this gem from film Gunjan (1948) sung by Nalini Jaywant. I had known that she sung a few songs, but had not known that she is such an accomplished singer. I was in fact stunned. On this level she could have competed with the best of singers and I am not sparing even Lata.
Jal barsaye nainwa man men kaisi aag lagi – music Ashok Ghosh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kgFT8TQMTk

46 ksbhatia November 10, 2014 at 9:59 pm

Mumbaiker ji , Subsequent to that great number of Mukesh ” Do roz mein ” I am presenting to you and to other worthy members of SOY a beautiful song of Rafi sahib from the movie Nartaki …” Zindgi ke safar mein akele thhe hum mil gaye tum to dil ko sahara mila ” . Now this must be a Milestone quite hidden from the fast moving life ; only to be rediscovered by geologist or anthro -excavators . Hope you will enjoy.

47 N Venkataraman November 10, 2014 at 11:01 pm

Thanks Hans Ji for the additional information on Amirbai Karnataki (#43) which I was not aware of. Indeed it is surprising that even after working together in 4 films between 1947 and 1961 they did not have a duet.
Is Sitara who sang two duets with Mukesh in Dukh Sukh (1942) and Sitara (Kanpur) who sang a duet with Mukesh in Pugree (1948) one and the same person? Was there any other singer named Sitara beside Sitara (Kanpur) and the dancer/actror Sitara Devi? It seems Sitara (Kanpur) mader her debut in 1944 film Man ka Jeet. If they are two different singers then the number of female singers with whom Mukesh sang goes up to 21. Not that it matters. It will be good if somebody clarifies.
Another observation- Out of these 82 duets only 9/10 songs were rendered in the first half (1941-45) by Mukesh with 6 female singers. Besides Nalini Jaywant and Sitara, the other four female singers being Kusum, Naseem Akhtar,Mohantara Talpade and Hamida Bano.The lions share (70+) of the duets were rendered in the second half (1946-50) with 14/15 female singers. The co singers of Mukesh being Shamsad Begum, Lata Mangeshkar, Hamida Bano, Raajkumari, Geeta Roy, Zohrabai Ambalewali, Surendra Kaur, Suraiya, Asha Bhosle, Binapani Mukherjee, Susheela Rani, Husn Bano, Sitara (Kanpur), Premlata and Sulochan Kadam.
Thanks for posting the wonderful song Jal barsaye nainwa man men kaisi aag lagi by Nalini Jaywant. You are right she was too good.
Thanks too for bringing to our notice the similarity between the songs manwa men pyar dole and nainon men pyar dole. Nice find.

48 N Venkataraman November 10, 2014 at 11:07 pm

Mahesh ji,
Besides Kabhie Kabhie Jagjit Kaur rendered a duet with Mahendra Kapoor in the 1975 film Mutthi bhar chawal. Mukesh had a solo number in this film. Needless to say the MD was Khaiyyam.

49 N Venkataraman November 10, 2014 at 11:13 pm

Mahesh ji,

Let me quote an interesting anecdote mentioned by G S Grewal in the Hindustan Times
“During a meeting with Khayyam Sahib and Jagjit Kaur in 1997, they narrated that once in the late 1950s, they were to pay an installment for their flat, and if they defaulted they would lose their flat; they tried their best, but got no help. Jagjit Kaur called Mukesh and explained, but he banged the phone down. Hardly had they recovered from the shock when Mukesh was at their door with the money. The reason for banging the phone down was he didn’t want to waste any more time!”

50 AK November 10, 2014 at 11:35 pm

Venkataramanji,
Sitara in Dukh Sukh should be Sitara Devi, the Kathak dancer, because she also acted in the film. I don’t think Sitara Kanpuri acted in any film. I think we have only two Sitaras – Devi (the actor-singer) and Kanpuri (the singer).

Hans,
Entirely agree with you on Nalini Jaywant; it is a surprise she didn’t pursue singing more seriously. The reason is obvious – she is in Lata Mangeshkar mould, and there was no room for two of them.

Nainon mein pyar dole is so flat compared to Manwa mein pyar dole, I would not put them in the same league.

51 Hans November 11, 2014 at 8:24 pm

Bhatiaji (#46),

You are right this is a great gem of Rafi and is lesser known. In fact, there are so many of such gems which are not known even to his staunchest fans. Ravi was a music director for whom I have a great respect. He put in lot of hard work and was honest to the core to his job and he always tried to do justice to his music in each of his film irrespective of the banner or the grade of the film. He shared this quality with Naushad and Chitragupta, who also tried to give their best in each film.

The whole score of Nartaki is great, but I would mention another song by Asha from this film, ‘aaj duniya badi suhani hai’. I am providing link of both these gems for fellow readers:
Zindagi ke safar men – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RCUFSlNnbY
Aaj duniya badi – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb5AR5c5gTM

52 Hans November 11, 2014 at 8:44 pm

Venkataramanji,
On the contrary I am thankful to you and Deshmukhji, that I came to know about not only the duet in Pagle, but I also found two triad songs of Mukesh in that film. I have one more info to give which I came across during this exercise. In HFGK in 1947 film Chheen Le Azadi one Mukesh- Shamshad duet is given, but when I checked out I found that a solo ‘lut gayi lajo beech bajariya’ credited to Shamshad is in fact a Mukesh-Shamshad duet. May be you know this already.

Regarding Sitara I had known that they are two different persons, perhaps through some article by Deshmukhji. But, when calculating singers I combined them and you are right that there are 21 female singers and if we take the triad song with Khursheed and Hamida they become 22. I am actually amazed at the ready info you and Deshmukhji have about songs and singers and am learning. I look to see and labour to collect such info when need arises, but you two have it always ready.

53 arvind November 11, 2014 at 9:33 pm

hansji n bhatiaji , sharing two ravi n rafi songs : http://youtu.be/PVlsS7O61aQ
(ye waadiyaan ye fizayen from aaj aur kal -1963) and
http://youtu.be/9JUKCUwMnZE
(zara sun haseena-e- nazneen from kaun apna kaun paraya -1963)

54 Hans November 11, 2014 at 11:32 pm

AK,
I was not putting those two songs in the same league. I was just mentioning the fact that MM used the tune. I just enjoy songs of different eras without comparing the singers, because everything was so different including lyrics, style, instruments etc. that it would be injustice to compare. When I wrote about ‘manwa men pyar dole’ I forgot to mention that I found that Zohra was trying to sing like Shamshad and in the process a tremolo like Talat or Suman appeared in her voice. I have seen that happening in one or two other songs too. They have similar voices but still are different and there is no tremolo in Zohras voice in most of her songs when she sings like herself. What is your take on this aspect of her voice.

About Nalini Jaywant your observation does not appear to be correct. You have perhaps not given a thought to the fact that Nalini made her debut in 1941, when Lata was nowhere near coming. So if anything is to be said about moulds, then Lata was in Nalini’s mould. But, she chose to become a singing actress instead of keeping these two separate. I have not found any film in which she gave only playback. She sang only her songs. She entered this field when her cousin Shobhana Samarth was still going strong and Khursheed and Noorjehan were present and soon joined by Suraiyya. Unfortunately she did not get a big hit and in the circumstances had to agree to other singers singing her songs.

Here are two songs from her 1941 film Bahen.

Nahin khate hain bhaiya mere paan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2FCHW-JqJg

Mujhe le chal apni naagaria (in this video Husn Bano is also seen and she is co-singer of Nalini)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeMHlNCXhJs

These songs are her earliest and she was not even 15 then. Lata’s early songs dont show such accomplishment. Even otherwise also Lata did not like any mould other than her own. And despite her best efforts, Suman Kalyanpur succeeded though she was almost a replica of Lata.

55 ksbhatia November 11, 2014 at 11:43 pm

Hansji & Arvindji, I fully agree with your observation. Indeed Ravi was one among the masters of soft music . The songs of Aaj aur kal ,Kaun apna kaun paraya, Nartaki, Ek saal, etc testify his creations. Yes; Being fav of B R Chopra ; he also worked with other top producers during his time . Many thanks for uploding these fab songs . Now these Rafi sahibs soft songs could also fit in the rendering style of Mohinder kapoor . Ravi favored both the singers for such songs . As already mentioned in some other post one of fav song is ” Itni haseen itni zawan raat ” from Aaj aur kal .

56 AK November 11, 2014 at 11:51 pm

Hans,
No dispute on Nalini Jaywant at all. I was aware of her songs of 40s, but it is a surprise she was not counted in the top league of the Vintage Era singers. Therefore, the expression ‘Lata in Nalini Jaywant mould’ would have sounded odd. As a matter of fact, as far as Hindi film songs are concerned, Nalini Jaywant predates even Noorjehan, who is considered Lata’s idol in her early years. I was speculating more about 50s, when she emerged as a major star.

57 ksbhatia November 12, 2014 at 12:21 am

AKji, Continuing my search of forgotten MDs , I have come across one MD who was fav of K A Abbas and that is J P Kaushik . During mid 60s I remember to have seen Aasman mahal and liked its songs and gazal [ by Mohinder kapoor] Teri tahran hai shikayat teri and Aye raat zara ahista guzar [ by Geeta dutt ] . Today I came across a song by Mukesh ” Aaj gagan se chanda utter aya ” which seems to be a private song which is directed by Kaushik . The song is so good and resemble the likes of Anil biswas . MD seems to have taken slow exit for us to trace his melodies .

58 Arunkumar Deshmukh November 12, 2014 at 11:41 am

AK ji,

This has reference to comments No,47 and 50 about the confusion on Sitara Devi and Sitara Kanpuri.
For detailed interview of SitaraDevi the Dancer/singer/actress and one who wanted only Bharat Ratna instead of Padma Bhushan award one can read it on Beetehuedin.blogspot.com.
For Sitara Kanpuri here is some information-
Sitara Kanpuri or Sitara of Kanpur or Sitarabai Kanpurwali was born in Cawnpore(Kanpur-UP) in 1923 in a courtisan’s family and so her father’s name is not known.
She did not have formal schooling,but sang wonderfully.she started singing on Radio.She was an expert in Bhajans,Thumari and Gazals.
W.Z.Ahmed,who was also from Kanpur heard about her singing,heard her once and took her to his office in Bombay.She was so excited that without delay,she put her thumb on the contract put forth.the contract restricted her to sing only for Ahmed’s Shalimar studio productions for 10 years. She sang her first song,’nagari meri kab tak’ in Mann ki jeet-1944 for Neena ( real name Shahida-she was the wife of the brother of Renuka Devi the actress. She was a plain simple house wife,who was lured by Ahmed and made actress Neena and his wife),who was Ahmed’s wife.later she also sang in prithwiraj sanyukta-46 and Meerabai-47.In the free times she was allowed to do private jalsa for her living.
After Partition,Ahmed and Neena left for Pakistan,taking with them the prints of their films(like most others who left India) and Sitara was free to sing free lance now.She sang in Pugree-48,Aparadhi-49 and Rasheed Dulhan -50.
After this she simply vanished into thin air !
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59 Arunkumar Deshmukh November 12, 2014 at 11:52 am

K S Bhatia ji,

Ref comment No.57

Here is an interview of composer J P Kaushik…
http://www.beetehuedin.blogspot.in/search/label/composer%20%3A%20J.P.Kaushik

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60 AK November 12, 2014 at 12:49 pm

Arunji ,
Thanks a lot for this detailed information.

61 Hans November 12, 2014 at 2:50 pm

Arunji,

I found this song clip from film Parineeta on youtube. This song is not mentioned in HFGK. From the voice it appears Asha has sung it. The situation is also perfect as per film’s story. Meena Kumari has gone to the countryside Ashok Kumar is missing her. He listens to this song which is coming from the neighbouring house, where Meena used to come, so he goes to look for her but he finds the voice coming from a gramophone. But, their is a twist. In the film itself which is available on youtube, the sound of this whole scene alongwith the song is muted. What may be the story behind that. I had earlier seen this film long back on Doordarshan, when they showed a series of films by Bimal Roy, but cant remember whether the scene and song was there or not.

Kab tak rahoge aakhir yun door door humse – Parineeta (1953)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7wDE9QgGNs

I am looking to solve this mystery. Kindly help me. I also request all others to share if they know anything about this.

62 Hans November 12, 2014 at 4:32 pm

Bhatiaji and Arvindji,
By some coincidence you have referred to Ravi’s 1963 songs. In that year 12 of his films were released and he composed music for 90 known songs for those films, which is about 1/8th of his Hindi work. Besides great Rafi and Asha solos and duets, Mahendra Kapoor won filmfare award for best singer for ‘chalo ek baar’ and Lata sang ‘wo dil kahan se laun’ in Bharosa.

63 Arunkumar Deshmukh November 12, 2014 at 5:38 pm

Hans ji,

I have always known Parineeta-53 as having only 6 songs(including a 2-part song,Chali Radhe Raani).
I have no information on this song. In all probabilities,it must be a deleted song from the film or recorded but not used-which explains why in the film the scene does not have sound.
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64 ksbhatia November 12, 2014 at 11:39 pm

Hans’ji , Thank you very much for the information on Ravi’s musical score during 1963 . Hat’s off to Ravi for this achivment . I think some where around 1958 OP Nayyar also targeted similar achiv. And during that period he ruled Binaca Geet Mala with more than 80 % of the total songs. SJ also ruled at one or two occasions . I am recalling some of the Ravi’s songs of the 60’s and I like ” Lage na mora jiya Sajnaa nahen aaye ” from Ghunghat for Lataji’s soul rendering beautiful sad song. ” Sau bar janam lenge ” by Rafi’ sahib ‘s is another great song which I like for its beautiful mixing of low and high pitch . I think Ravi was the master of soft sad songs . And Mukesh -Lataji’s duet ” Main khush naseeb hoon mujhko kisi ka pyar mila ” is another example of beautiful romantic melody . And Lataji’s ” Chale bhi aao tumeh kasam hai chale bhi aao ” from Ek saal is a beauty to listen to .

65 gaddeswarup November 15, 2014 at 6:50 am

This is a question that has been puzzling me off and on. It seems to me that many of the popular Hindi film sons could have been sun by any of the top singers and still would have been popular. There are exceptions I think like Saigal. I wonder whether there are some songs where one gets the feeling that nobody else could have sung it that well and the song carries the signature of the singer rather than the rest of the crew and the make up the song, its role in the film etc. I am sure that there must be many by my knowledge and abilities for this sort of question are limited.

66 maheshmamadapur November 15, 2014 at 12:01 pm

Gaddeswarup ji,

SDB fetched Mukesh after 11 years after KK refused to sing this song. The movie already had songs by Rafi and Manna Dey and SBD himself was a seasoned singer especially for such background songs.

And then the singer with the midas touch sidelined all other songs and singers in the movie. It seems a very easy song, but then a master craftsman like SBD knew what Mukesh could offer him.

67 maheshmamadapur November 15, 2014 at 12:07 pm

oops, Here is the well known song from Bambai ka babu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuNp_LY13P4

68 AK November 15, 2014 at 10:15 pm

Gaddeswarupji,
I often see such speculation. I remember once Subodh mentioned some well-known songs and suggested other singers in whose voices he felt these might have sounded better.

I have a different view. We become conditioned to associate the famous songs with their singers, and I find it difficult to think of these in the voice of other singers. The exception would be those singers, whose voice was very close to another, more celebrated singer. For example, it is possible to imagine that songs of Subir Sen or Dwijen Mukherjee would sound better in the voice of Hemant Kumar, of Dhananjay Bhattacharya in the voice of Pankaj Mullick, or (some songs) of Suman Kalyanpur in the voice of Lata Mangeshkar.

69 ksbhatia November 16, 2014 at 12:11 am

AKji, Gaddeswarupji, Yes ; every established singer developed his /her own style and our repeated listening to their songs gets engraved in our mind . It is sort a of comfortable feeling when one associate a singer with a performer ; like mukesh and not kishore for Raj kapoor , Kishore and not subir sen for Dev anand . But there are certain songs of Rafi which could easily swaped by Mohinder kapoor , specially the songs composed by Ravi. Otherwise I think every singer has developed their own natural style; as times went by …..saigal , Pankaj malik , jagmohn , mukesh, surendra, shyam , durrani , ……..in that order .

70 ksbhatia November 16, 2014 at 12:15 am

Arunkumar ji, Thank you for the post on J P Kaushik ‘ interview.

71 mumbaikar8 November 17, 2014 at 6:29 pm

Bhatia ji
Comment # 46 excuse me for the delayed reply.
Zindagi ke safar me akele the hum is one of my favourite, on my list of “must listen at least once in three months songs”, the other that comes to my mind right now, is Mere mehboob mere saath hi chalna hai tujhe from gyarah hazar ladkiyan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnpAX9zQkns
I like the song mentioned by Arvind “Zara sun hasina e nazneen” a lot too. I think that song is also a playback singing marvel.

72 ksbhatia November 17, 2014 at 11:52 pm

Mumbaikar’ji , What a lovely song from great Rafi sahib, really un parallel , taken me back to my youth hood days . As you rightly said this has a repeatitive quality and must for Rafi and N dutta fans . Thanks once again for this lovely forgotten song ; so missed by me for so many years !

73 mumbaikar8 November 17, 2014 at 11:59 pm

Sharmaji,
This time I am sorry for the late response.
Please pardon me for hijacking this comment from Mahendra Kapoor -Sahir Ludhianvi to Open House because the content is very much diverted.
Roshan is one of the two MDs you have cited, AK had mentioned about Mamta and Chandni Chowk again Roshan.
Bahu Beghum in one movie Roshan used similar tunes for two different all time great qawwalis.
Wafif hoon khoob
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW0jYaIhbAY
and Dhoondh ke laoon kahan se mai
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI9KQE1p-Vw

74 mumbaikar8 November 18, 2014 at 12:18 am

Hans,
In comment # 43 I thought that you presumed that one of the singers in Heer Ranja song Nache ang ve was madam Noorjahan , I was skeptic about it and I had good experience of getting a prompt reply from Madan Mohan website I sent them an email to which I got a prompt reply.
I wrote:
“I was here few months back with a query and was happily surprised to get a prompt reply that encouraged me come up with another query.
I would like to know about a singer in Heer Ranjha song ”Nache ang ve”, I believe the three singers are Shamshad Begum Jagjit Kaur and Noor Jahan. I would like to know that, is NoorJahan is Madam Noor Jahan from Pak or the NoorJahan who was singing few songs like the one in Do Boond Pani”.

The reply:
“The HEER RANJHA song [ nache ang ve] is sung by the legendary Shamshad Begum [ her last sung film song], Jagjit Kaur [ wife of composer Khayyam], and a singer called Noorjehan who was largely used for chorus and dubbings by Madan Mohanji and Jaidevji [ yes her voice was also used by Jaidevji in Do Boon Pani]

MADAM NOORJEHANJI did not sing in any film produced in India since the late 40s.. and Madanji , like others were not fortunate to work with her”

75 gaddeswarup November 18, 2014 at 6:03 am

Thanks for the comments 66-69. The song linked in 67 is the sort of song I had in mind. My query actually came from a mistake; for a long time I thought that some of the cabaret songs in ‘Taxi Driver’ were by Geeta Dutt where as they were by Lata Mangeshkar. also in sons like ‘Jadugar balama’, I found both versions enchanting.

76 ksbhatia November 18, 2014 at 11:52 pm

The other day I was thinking of some ” Two in One” songs [Happy/ Sad combo ] . The first song that came to my mind was ” Patli kamar hai tirchi najar hai ” the famous song from Barsaat that starts with Mukesh with alternative sad lines and stanza by Lataji . The interludes also changes the mood of the song as it proceeds from happy go lucky to serious mood . Likewise ” Ja ja re ja saajna kahe sapno mein ayai ja ke desh paraye bewafa ” by Lataji and Aashaji is another beautiful Sad/ Happy song by Madan mohan from [film ? ] . Another one…..” Sajan sang kahey niha lagaye ” from Main nashe mein hoon . Here interlude only play and convey the happy time the hero is enjoying and the sad lines of the song is for the heroin to sing . I invite SOY family to contribute such songs for all of us to enjoy and drive pleasure listening to.

77 mumbaikar8 November 20, 2014 at 7:03 pm

Bhatia ji,

Whenever I think of happy sad songs the song that comes to my mind is the Kala Pani song kya kahiye humen kya yaad aaya.
It is one of my favourite Asha songs I think she is outstanding in this, partciularly the sad part.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtaP5fLyfeM

78 AK November 20, 2014 at 8:25 pm

Mumbaikar8,
KS Bhatiaji has given a very interesting theme, and you have come up with a perfect song. One song that comes to my mind is Nain dwar se aake wo man mein. Mukesh in mukhada sounds very sad, Lata Mangeshkar in antara very chirpy with Haye rasiya, koi rasiya jiya liye jaye at very fast tempo is very joyous. I am not aware of its picturistion. Could it be a sad-happy song? I can think of a couple of more songs. I would come back later.

79 Mahesh November 20, 2014 at 10:37 pm

Ramaiya Vastavaiya ? Shree 420.

Will come up with more later.

80 mumbaikar8 November 20, 2014 at 11:54 pm

AK,
Here is the video of Nain dwar se man me woh aaye, it has Lata’s slow part too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBGLgkV0oIQ

Bhatiaji you have set the ball rolling herw is one more superb song
Yaas ke dar pe jhuka jata hai sar from Shama,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vq-lN6eFZB8

81 AK November 21, 2014 at 8:17 am

Mumbaikar8,
This is wonderful. Nain dwar se does seem to be a sad-happy song.

Another haopy-sad song is Betaab hai dil dard-e-mohabbat ke asar se from Dard (1947) – Uma Devi for Munawwar Sultana (sad) and Suraiya for herself (happy), both in love with the same person.

82 arvindersharma November 21, 2014 at 2:57 pm

Mumbaikar8,
Thanks for your response and I really love both the ‘Roshan’ qawallis. Roshan, apart from being a melodious composer, provided the HFM with the best qawallis ever composed in films.
I can’t resist myself from posting a rare one from ‘Samson’ sung by Manna De, Asha and Mahendra Kapoor, music by Chitragupta.
Puchho Na Hame Ishq Me Kya Kya Full Video Song – …: http://youtu.be/nc9MqN6wSu4

KS Bhatia Ji and Mumbaikar8,
Now that you both have set the ball rolling and AK Ji also chipping in songs of twin moods, let me also present mine.

Gham ki andheri raat me by Rafi and Talat from ‘Sushila’, music C Arjun
gam ki andheri raat mein mohd rafi and talat meh…: http://youtu.be/GYqbgYPbz9U

Aaj ki raat from ‘Kalidas’, by Usha Mangeshkar and Sabita Bannerjee, music S N Tripathi
Aaj Ki Raat – Classic Sad Song – Kavi Kalidas: http://youtu.be/z38gMHA1Pno

And the third one is my great favorite,
Ye bheegi bheegi raatein by Manna De and Lata from ‘Miss Bombay’, music S D Burman.
“JAAU MAIN KAHAAN YE ZAMEEN YE AASMAAN CHHOD KE”B…: http://youtu.be/qop8jefFih0

83 ksbhatia November 22, 2014 at 12:10 am

Mumbaikar 8, AKji, Arvindersharmaji, Thanks for uploading these songs , they are really forgotten gems . I,myself , have heard practically all the songs of Kala pani but never heard the one contributed by Mumbaikerji . It is a rare song . Miss India duet … Zaun main kahan is also rare and so is Aaj ki raat from Kalidas. AKji , Nain dwar se woh man mehn aake …itself is a very intresting song. One can note Mukesh singing in a very heavy low base tone that intrestinglly matches C H Atma+ Sehgal combo and one can easily guess Chitragupta or S N Tripathy as its MD . But as Lata starts her lines It becomes a typical punjabi song of Hansraj behl.

84 ksbhatia November 22, 2014 at 12:33 am

…….. in continuation….. To my mind ” door koi gaiye dhun yeh sunayae ” from Baiju bawra can also be included / classified as happy / sad song .

85 maheshmamadapur November 22, 2014 at 1:04 pm

1. Chunari sambhal gori….. from Baharon Ke Sapne. ( hint of gloom and then optimism)

2. Itna na mujhse tu pyar bada… Talat & Lata from Chhaya.

3. Aaj Na Chhodenge… Kishore Kumar & Lata – Kati Patang.

Incidentally all three feature the majestic Asha Parekh.

Nain dwar se aake wo man mein really tops the category I suppose.

86 AK November 22, 2014 at 9:05 pm

Mahesh,
No 3 yes. But I am surprised to see #1 and 2 in this list.

87 mumbaikar8 November 22, 2014 at 10:10 pm

AK, Mahesh,
I was thinking that too.
It na mujhse tu pyar bada, I think, goes in Din hai bahr ke ter mere ikraar ke Waqt song type!
Adding Shramajis Rafi Talat combo song from Aadmi, ( i prefer Rafi Talat to Rafi MK) kaisi haseen aaj baharon ki raat hai
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvQf_NaqBM4
and this beautiful Afsar song ( I am not sure as video is not available) but I feel a sad note in Suriya’s singing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbnKr6pYL9s

88 ksbhatia November 23, 2014 at 11:46 pm

Another Happy/ sad combo could be 1 ” Holi ayi re kanhai rang chalke ” from Mother India . 2 ” Raat gai jab din aata hai ” from Boot Polish . Now this beautiful song is sort of a sad -happy- sad -happy serial long playing song and is a rare example of one of its kind . There could be more such songs which does not come easily in one’s mind . So wait and watch .

89 AK November 25, 2014 at 11:31 am

RIP Sitara Devi
Just heard the sad news that Sitara Devi passed away this morning after a prolonged illness, at the age of 94. One of the most well-known figures of film-world and Kathak dancing, she was unique in that she straddled both the worlds like a colossus. She was a colourful personality – never shy about her personal life, her multiple marriages or relationships. Even after her film career had come to an end long back, she continued Kathak dancing at a professional level till very late in life.

It is a coincidence that she passed away in Anil Biswas’s Centenary Year, because they had very important association together. Her most famous film appearance was in Mehboob Khan’s Roti (1942), for which Anil Biswas gave music. She had some sensational dances in the film, that would be termed Item Number in today’s parlance. She also sang her own songs in her films.

A true Diva. May her soul rest in peace.

90 N.Venkataraman November 25, 2014 at 12:30 pm

We were discussing about Sitara Devi here sometime during the beginning of this month. And here come the news about her passing away. I too would like to join you in paying my respects to the departed soul

91 mumbaikar8 November 25, 2014 at 6:31 pm

AK,
Join you in paying respect to Sitara Devi, a true diva as you rightly described.
Performing ballet in Hulchul:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzxZwz0sD5w

92 ksbhatia November 25, 2014 at 11:02 pm

Sad news for all of us . Sitara Devi was really an Icon of Kathak Dance .

93 arvind November 26, 2014 at 11:40 am

Bhatiaji ,
comment #88
and what do we call this ?
three great songs one after another (movie:dekh kabira roya) !all sad ones !!
http://youtu.be/qHL9FxHJPlU

94 ksbhatia November 26, 2014 at 10:51 pm

Arvind ji; Hat trick of sad songs , un-parallel in the history of bollywood movies ; a mile stone ; and that too of granite stone . Arvind ji these are my fav songs . One cannot listen to just one song ; it has to be compulsively listen to all the three . Beside these all the songs of DKR are melodious and great to listen to . ” Hum bulate hi rahe ” is a fantastic song by Rafi@ ashaji for its rhythm and the harmonium touch . And the Geeta-Lataji’s duet ” Hum panchhi mastane ” for its rhythm , guitar and melodious whistling that matches the happy mood ;complementing lyrics . For music lovers of sad and happy songs, I think this movie is a collector item.

95 AK November 27, 2014 at 12:08 am

Arvind,
I first thought three different video links have been put together by some enthusiast. This must be the only such 3-in-1 song. Humse aya na gaya unse bulaya na gaya would also have fitted perfectly here. Thanks a lot for highlighting these songs.

96 Hans November 27, 2014 at 1:36 am

And what about this song though staged on the theatre stage in the 1950 film Arzoo which contained great music by Anil Biswas. Can anybody count and tell how many tunes are in this song. I think 4 different songs and more than 4 (at least 5) tunes are present. I have not found the equivalent of this song until now. And I am surprised why this film flopped as against similar stories of Andaz and Afsana which succeeded in the previous and following year. Some part of the story was used later in Dil Diya Dard Liya.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29t60P26gL0
(I have given the link of the part of the film as I could not find the link of the song) (Jan Nisar Akhtar wrote part of the lyrics with Majrooh and these were perhaps his first lyrics for films)

97 Hans November 27, 2014 at 1:49 am

Mumbaikar8,
Thanks for the effort (comment 74) in looking for details about ‘nache ang ve’. But one thing beats me, why a great MD like Madan Mohan recalled Shamshad and Jagjit Kaur for special panjabi effects and to give a chorus singer Noorjehan the honour of singing with those singers. If it was not the original Noorjehan then he could have used Surinder Kaur for panjabi effect and she would also have been one more old legends.

Even in the Do Boond Pani song, there is just one line by that Noorjehan and the song is a background song. I dont know why was there any need to use a chorus singer for one line and that too a background song. And you know any duet singer gets the equal of the fellow duet singer. How the producer and director agreed to this in such a low budget film.

98 AK November 27, 2014 at 11:52 am

Hans,
This is a wonderful link you have added. Thanks a lot. One of the tunes could have been developed into an outstanding Mukesh-Shamshad Begum duet: Aao milkar jawani ki lootein bahaar. But Dekh Kabira Roya song(s) remain unique, because they are three distinct situational songs, each well-known as a stand-alone song.

99 ksbhatia November 27, 2014 at 10:29 pm

Hansji; Thank you for posting malti- track song . Likewise awara song ” Tere bina aag yeh chandni [ Lata] – Yeh nahi yeh nahi hai zindagi [ mana dey ] – Ghar aya mera pardesi [ Lataji ] ” can be considered as triple song in the catag. of Dekh Kabira Roya . But as AKji pointed out songs of DKR stands apart distinctly from all others .

100 Hans November 28, 2014 at 2:30 am

AK, Bhatiaji,
I had not posted the song as a counter to the DKR song. The DKR song is a unique song. Madan Mohan combined three great songs beautifully, with calls of ‘sajna sajna’ in between. When you will listen to them again you will be able to identify the manouvre with which he combined them. This type of call of ‘sajna sajna’ was used by Chitragupta in Chand Mere Aaja in the song ‘sajna sajna kahe bhool gaye din pyar ke’ sung by Lata.

Arzoo and DKR songs are part of the story, while the Awara songs are a fantasy of Raj Kapoor.

101 gaddeswarup November 28, 2014 at 8:50 am

While watching the link in 96, I windered who the choreographer was. One site credits Prem Dhawan, possibly indirectly influenced by Uday Shankar http://iyerbhaskar.wordpress.com/2012/04/26/movies-music-of-india-prem-dhawan/
P.S. When the number of comments reach 100 or so in this thread, I wonder whether it would be possible to start a number 2, 3 and so on so that one does not have to go too far down. Perhaps a summary at the end? Too easy to make requests!

102 Hans November 28, 2014 at 2:48 pm

Gaddeswarupji,
Thanks for the link about Prem Dhawan. Your research was fantastic. Though I knew Prem Dhawan had choreographed a few films, I did not know that he danced in films or acted in them. In the link provided by you it was said that he danced in Singaar (1949) alongwith Cuckoo and a link of the video was also given. I could have believed that but I still wanted to confirm, so I looked to read some other links about Dhawan and I found Dusted Off’s link there and when I followed that it turned out to be review of Goonj Uthi Shehnai. From the article as well as comments I found that Dhawan had acted in that film as Banjara, whose wife tattoes the name of the hero on the arm of the heroine. Because, in the cast of Arzoo I had found the name of Dhawan I tried to look for a person resembling the Banjara of Goonj Uthi Shehnai. I scanned through the whole film and ultimately found Dhawan as a dancer in the song sequence of which I had given the link. Dhawan is the same person dancing with Cuckoo and singing ‘aao milkar jawani ki looten bahar’. But this person was different than the person who was dancing with Cuckoo in Singaar in your link, so I looked up in the film Singaar. Singaar’s cast also mentioned Dhawan’s name among dancers. When I scanned the film, I found him dancing in another dance sequence, though it was without a song.

Regarding your suggestion for a new link of Open House after 100 posts, perhaps AK would like to split these posts in separate pages like is done in other websites, so that all posts are found on the same page for everyone to read and respond.

103 AK November 29, 2014 at 10:58 pm

Gaddeswarupji, Hans
Do you have something like this in mind? After 100 comments, the new comments go on the next page. There is a link for ‘PREVIOUS COMMENTS’ at the bottom. I can set it at 150 or any number or restore the earlier setting.

104 gaddeswarup November 30, 2014 at 6:26 am

AKJi, Thanks. Some thing like this is fine or whatever number you think reasonable. Thanks again.
Swarup

105 maheshmamadapur November 30, 2014 at 11:29 am

AK ji,
There is a wealth of info stored in these comments by so many experts. We could have month-wise tags or in groups of 150-200 etc.
I would suggest this 2014 to end and we could start afresh from new year with more suggestions from experts.
My only request is to keep the serial number of the comments intact so that they can be referred in future.

For example #79, I promised a good list and came up with nothing.
This theme of happy-sad songs looks easy, but it is difficult to trace songs in the category.
Now, let me add one more by a even more majestic Asha Parekh from “Love in Tokyo”. “Mujhe tum mil gaye humdum, sahara ho to aisa……..”
The video is to be seen to be believed that it fits. Again, many may not agree with me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjievAzScsk

106 Hans November 30, 2014 at 3:33 pm

AK,
Perfectly done. I had that in mind and 100 is perhaps best.

Also, I wanted to say something about your comment 56. Nalini Jaywant came as a singing star and she never gave playback and as singing star she was not successful, so it is no surprise we do not hear her fame as singer. She got 3 films in 1941 (one of them was Nirdosh with Mukesh as hero) and one each in 1942 and 1943. Then she was forgotten and in the next 4 years no film of hers was released (one film was completed but not realeased). So when Anil Biswas used Lata for her in Anokha Pyar in 1948, she had no choice but to fall in line. I had done a survey of the songs and singers of 1941 based on the info in HFGK, and found that 75 female singers sang about 330 odd female related songs. There were very few playback singers then.

Regarding Lata or Nalini mould I do not believe that Lata followed in Nalini mould. I only pointed out that Nalini started her career earlier. I dont even believe that Lata even followed Noorjehan. I have listened to her oldest songs but I have not found any evidence of her singing like Noorjehan. Similarly, I dont even believe that Mukesh tried to sing like Sehgal, though some of his songs look like Sehgal. Some MDs composed songs in the style of Noorjehan or Sehgal. Even the first song of Mukesh ‘dil hi bujha hua ho’ had a lot of original Mukesh in it, though that era was Sehgal era.

107 AK November 30, 2014 at 5:26 pm

Mahesh,
The serial numbers remain intact. There is no way to break it monthwise. It is possible to set it at 150 or 200, but whatever threshold we decide there would be need to refer to older comments. So let us continue with 100 for the time being. Please note this applies to the blog as a whole. It is only some of the posts that would cross this limit.

Mujhe tum mil gaye humdum is an interesting song. Apparently, it fits as a happy-sad song. Opening the category to solos increases possibilities, some require subjective interpretation. Long ago I had described Jhoom Jhoom ke naacho aaj naacho aaj gaao khushi ke geet as a happy-sad song, long before this term gained prominence on SoY. Similarly, one can think of Suhaag ki raat aayi sajni kaahe bhare tore naina by Pahadi Sanyal from Adhikar (1938), and many others. Ideally, I would limit it to duets in which the storyline and picturisation is very clear, and the contrast is shown by the two voices singing in a distinctly different manner.

Hans,
You have a point of view. In any case Mukesh and Lata Mangeshkar quickly established their distinct identities. Therefore, Saigal and Noorjehan’s importance lies in that they were important points of reference for many newcomers.

108 Arunkumar Deshmukh November 30, 2014 at 6:47 pm

Hans ji,
Ref to comment no.106..
Nalini Jaywant was NOT ” forgotten” after 1943.
She eloped with her director Virendra Desai to Calcutta,he having left his first wife and 4 children,in 1943. They suffered in Calcutta, returned to Bombay and Virendra joined Filmistan on a salary of 2000/- pm. He decided to make Nalini work only in his film. When he did not get any opportunity in Filmistan for 2 years,he started his own company-Nalini Productions and produced ” Gunjan “-48 with Trilok kapoor and Nalini Jaywant.
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109 Hans December 1, 2014 at 2:40 am

Arunji,
Thanks for the information. All of us readers benefit immensely from your vast knowledge. Maybe Nalini Jaywant was one of the pioneers of the tradition of Bollywood heroines marrying already married film personalities. In the HFGK a film named Phir Bhi Apna Hai is listed in 1946 list in which she worked. It is written there that this film was issued again in 1951 under the title Bhai Ka Pyar. Perhaps the first time it was not released. Can you guide us in this regard.

110 Hans December 1, 2014 at 3:14 am

Sitara Devi died recently and AK posted an obituary. I had earlier watched Roti (1942) featuring her. I had a few of her films downloaded but had not seen them. I scanned and partly watched Nazma (1943), Chand (1944), and Parinde (1945). In Nazma she played quarrelsome wife of Ashok Kumar who loved Veena and had to marry Sitara. In Parinde she played the vamp as against Vanmala and in Chand she played a vamp who is reformed in the end. So she played quite complex characters and was a good actress. As AK says she was bold in accepting her amours, she wore bold dresses in some of her dances.

I found a few songs which fit into the ongoing theme of happy-sad songs being posted by friends. Until now the oldest and best is the Dard song by AK. It will remain the best, but the title of oldest would go to ‘fasle bahaar gaye ja’ from Najma:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLFn011XuJA

There are two more Sitara, Ashok Kumar duets which have contrasting emotions, but not similar to this one. Their links are given below:
Jal ja patange
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcCQQ0TT5Oc
Aaja dil ko nahin hai karar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhcALx7O6B4

In fact the whole music of Najma (by Rafiq Ghaznavi) is great.

111 Arunkumar Deshmukh December 1, 2014 at 2:10 pm

Hans ji,
Ref Comment No.109….

Film “Phir bhi apna hai” was made in 1945 and got censored in 1946.One must remember that HFGK lists films only after they are censored and NOT released.So.listing in HFGK guarantees that the film was censored but whether it was released after that or not is none of their business.
This film was made by Venus Pictures,Bombay and this was after Nalini and Virendra had got married.Nalini was now known as Mrs.Pankaja Desai,after marriage. The very fact that this film was released only in 1951,under the Title of Bhai ka Pyar,indicates the possibility that every effort was made by the Desai family to ensure that the film was not released in 1946. The family had not only thrown out Virendra,but also was angry on Nalini,so my guess is that this was a strong possibilty.
This also was ,possibly,a reason that Virendra decided that she worked only in his films.
In short,there was no Nalini film released between 43 to 48.
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112 Arunkumar Deshmukh December 1, 2014 at 2:23 pm

Hans ji,

Another point is that Nalini surely was not one of the pioneers in marrying already married film personality.There were many examples of Heroines and other actresses marrying married producers,Directors and owners of studios before her. Some stayed with such persons without marriage and some were used and thrown.
Actress Azra and Director Mahesh Bhat are some examples of children from such marriages.
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113 AK December 1, 2014 at 4:48 pm

Hans,
Fasl-e-bahar gaye ja is a perfect happy-sad song. The best song in Najma was Saajan ke naina jaadoo baan, main waari jaaun by Amirbai Karnataki and Mumtaz (as per HFGK, but Mumtaz sounds to me as Zohrabai Ambalewali). This is picturised as a mujra to celebrate the marriage of Najma (Veena) to Muqarram (Kumar). The song and dance is so delightful that it brings smile on Najma’s lips, but it cannot hide the sadness in her eyes at getting married to the wrong guy. Would you describe it as a happy-sad song? In any case, the oldest happy-sad song belongs to 1943 as of now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWhnNz8-xEs

114 AK December 1, 2014 at 5:10 pm

Hans, Arunji
This discussion was an offshoot from Sitara Devi. She would herself fit this bill. Though she acknowledged her only two marriages – to K Asif and Mr Barot – if you believe Manto (‘Stars from another sky’), she also married a Gujarati film director, some Mr Desai and PN Arora. These would predate Nalini Jaywant’s. Note the uncanny similarity of Desais.

115 ksbhatia December 1, 2014 at 11:58 pm

Mumbaikerji, Arvindji; Here is one of my fav in similar type of songs category : ” Jhumti hai nazar jhumta hai pyar ” a Rafi- Asha duet from Hatim -tai { music O P Nayyar? } and ” Dil ki baazi jeet ke bhi haare ” a Rafi song from the unreleased movie Madan Majri [ 1961] with music by Sardar Malik . The songs seems to be inspired from SJ style .

116 Hans December 2, 2014 at 2:03 am

Arunji,
Many thanks for the additional information. Your guess about the reaction of Desai family is quite logical, because in those days this ‘khandan’ culture was important and one persons actions tainted the whole khandan, so they reacted jointly against culprits who brought shame. Mangeshkars also reacted in the same way against Asha. By the way was the Desai family in films or just wealthy people. I ask this question because their were a number of Desais in films. Vasant Desai and Manmohan Desai are well known. There was one Shanti Kumar Desai who composed songs for a lot of films in the 30s and 40s and also directed a few films. Another Desai is referred by AK to have married Sitara.

Husn Bano is reputed to be the mother of Azra. If that is true, who was her father. I am all at sea in such matters.

117 Hans December 2, 2014 at 2:22 am

AK,
‘Sajan ke naina jaadu baan’ is a wonderful song. Though it is used in mujra style, contents of its lyrics conform to the theme of folk songs sung by ladies (nowadays called lady sangeet) at the time of marriages, though the lyrics have been modified to fit a mujra. As you said earlier, there are a lot of happy looking songs in sad situations in our films, which is a distinct category.

In fact, Najma has a classy score. Sitara sings a very good song to tease Ashok Kumar. Ashok Kumar has two comic songs – using the same tune – based on the ghazal format, which are really good. Though Rafiq Ghazanavi may not be the first to put the ghazal to such use, we can safely say that SDB and Guru Dutt were not the first ones to make use of the ghazal in a different style in Baazi for ‘tadbeer se’. We may request our team or researchers to find such odd uses of the ghazal in hfm. For this purpose I am giving the links to both of them:

1. Tarsi hui hain muddat se ankhen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYhObMZSXdg

2. Mujhe jo khilate hain panon men mirchen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faQeWtWYIlY

118 mumbaikar8 December 2, 2014 at 3:45 am

Hans,
Ashok kumar was at his singing best in Najma I like all his songs from that movie otherwise I am not a big fan of his singing.
AK, Bhatiaji
One more song in happy sad category Zindagi badli mohabbat ka maza aane laga, Nargis in double role singing in Raj Kumari and Lata voices. I would have loved to hear this song in reverse form with Raj Kumari (though she is too good in this one too ) singing sad part, because I feel she had terrific sooz in her singing that was incredible in ghabhrake jo hum sabko thukraye from Mahal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6JqOyUkO4M

119 AK December 2, 2014 at 9:58 am

Mumbaikar8,
Zindagi badli mohabbat ka maza aane laga is a wonderful happy-sad song. Who started this theme, and how many do we have now? If someone is keeping track, we should recognise the pioneers and the winners.

120 AK December 2, 2014 at 10:21 am

KS Bhatiaji,
Haatimtai‘s music is by SN Tripathi. Quite astonishing. You have discovered a rare pair of similar songs. The opening music is identical, but in the mukhadaa’s last word there is some difference in stress.

121 Arunkumar Deshmukh December 2, 2014 at 11:12 am

Hans ji,
Ref. comment No. 116,

Chimanlal Desai,father of Virendra Desai,was the founder-owner of SAGAR MOVIETONE. So the family was very much in film line.

AZRA was the daughter of actress Sarojini (real name Roshan Ara. She was sister of actress/Heroine Indurani (real name Ishrat) who married Producer/Director Ramniklal Shah,partner of Mohan Studios) and Producer/Director Nanubhai Vakil. Husn bano had nothing to do with Azra.
All this information is given to me by the son of Ramniklal Shah and cousin of Azra. So it is authentic.
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122 gaddeswarup December 2, 2014 at 1:20 pm

Just bought on kindle a new book on Hindi film songs http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00OY53S24/ref=pe_385040_118058080_TE_M1T1DP

123 N.Venkataraman December 2, 2014 at 3:28 pm

Gaddeswarup ji,
Thanks for the information. Had a swift sneak.
“Bollywood Sounds: The Cosmopolitan Mediations of Hindi Film Song” appears to be an interesting book. The second and third chapter covers the emergence of film music and the songs of end colonial era and early post colonial era. The fourth chapter appears to be the most interesting one and is about the language and lyrics of Hindi films and also touches upon the importance of Goa musicians in developing the sound of Hindi film song and the change they brought in by introducing Western instruments, Harmony, and different styles like Jazz and Rock. Chapter 5, 6 and 7 mainly deals with the Hindi film music and songs from the 1970 to 2013.
Regards
NVR

124 arvindersharma December 2, 2014 at 4:42 pm

RIP Deven Verma
One of the finest comedian actors of Hindi Film World passed away today. An actor, who gave comedy a refinement, which was seldom seen earlier in films, was tailor made for the roles written and directed by first rate film makers like Hrishikesh Mukherjee, Basu Chatterjee and Gulzar.
Paying my tribute to this handsome actor,
I’ll present a song from film ‘Devar’.
Baharon Ne Mera Chaman Loot Kar: http://youtu.be/IZdmevaMzzU

125 N.Venkataraman December 2, 2014 at 5:54 pm

Sorry to hear know the passing away of the veteran actor Deven Verma. Let me convey through this forum my homage to the departed soul.

126 mumbaikar8 December 2, 2014 at 6:11 pm

Paying my respect to the departed soul.
One of his finest performance in Angoor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMJzJhGl6wc

127 AK December 2, 2014 at 9:17 pm

I too join in paying my respects to Deven Verma. One of the most likeable characters on the screen, his comedy was not loud, no exaggerated mannerism, no slapstick, but simple, natural and effortless.

128 ksbhatia December 2, 2014 at 11:05 pm

My tribute to the fine comedian ; lovable presenter of youth that stand apart from other comedians of the bygone era since B R Chopra’s Kanoon. Fav of big directors Chopras, Hrishida, Guljar sahib .

129 mumbaikar8 December 3, 2014 at 6:41 pm

Bhatiaji,
Back to similar songs
Banarasi Thug’s aaj mausam ki masti me gaye pawan went unnoticed in 1963 Iqbal Qureshi confident of his tune repeated it with added decoration ( SSW analysis would be helpful here) next year in Cha Cha Cha Ek Chameli ke mandve tale, this song is popular till date. I find aaj mausam ki masti me gaye pawan equally melodious.
Aaj mausam ki masti me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OgXDJsyMLM

Ek chameli le mandve tale Cha Cha Cha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnnQz6EOFDM#t=102

130 AK December 3, 2014 at 8:20 pm

Mumbaikar8,
Did you ever work with PC Sorcar? He had a vessel in every show, he would turn it over to drain it of all water from time to time, but the vessel never emptied out.

131 ksbhatia December 4, 2014 at 12:11 am

AKji, Mumbaikarji; Well said AKji. Mumbaiker must be having some Jadoo ki chhari that such songs are coming out so easily from her box . The two songs posted by Mumbaiker8 are really so close I could not find any diff. Even the interlude and other supporting rhythm are almost similar . I can recall mukhda of ” Do panchi do tinke dekho leke chale hain kahan ” a Kishore Aasha duet from Tapasya quite close to the mukhda of these song ; but not the full song . Iqbal qureshi has given us quite a melodious songs . I liked his music in Love in Shimla and that for Mukesh ‘s “Dar pe aaye hain kasam se ” . His another song ” yeh raat yeh tanhai phir aye ya na aaye aao shama jalake hum aaj mil ke gayen ” a Rafi aasha duet from [ ?] . Coming back to similar songs here is one more pair …..1 ” hone lagi hai raat jawan jaagte raho ” a film fare award winner song for aasha ji from Naina and….2 ” yun need se woh jaane chhaman yaad uthi hai ” a kishore song from Dard ka rishta . The similarity of both songs are because of the Raag [ basant ? ] .

132 arvindersharma December 4, 2014 at 12:56 am

Bhatia Ji, mumbaikar8,
As I was looking for some more happy/sad songs, my attention was diverted by two songs similar in theme, but varying from what we have contributed earlier.
In both the songs, the heroines are in a pensive mood, expressing their innermost feelings of love, but the heroes have their own agenda of social welfare, thereby postponing the heroines’ propositions.

Tum Mujhe Bhool Bhi Jaao Mukesh Sudha Malhotra Fi…: http://youtu.be/xs1h-inHU4U

Aaj ki Raat- Sad – Rafi & Asha – Nayi Umar Ki Nay…: http://youtu.be/KHGVFi1vMo0

Now this song has Rafi and Kishore in both the moods, namely happy and sad
Yun Na Sharma, Phaila De, Apni Gori Gori Baahein: http://youtu.be/Zqp3MyXqtTg

133 mumbaikar8 December 4, 2014 at 6:30 pm

AK, Bhatiaji,
Thanks for the nice words, have you ever heard “ Allah meherbaan to gadha pahalwan”? that truly applies to me:) whenever I am listening or searching, I land up with interesting songs. I am enjoying it.
I know I am not P C Sorcar and it is soon going to end.
Making hay while the sun shines:)
As I am on the roll, let me add one more.
S N Tripathi repeating his Jadoo of Roop Kumari in Jadoo Nagri.
Roop Kumari song Dekho udhat chand nikla gagan me Manna De and Geeta Sutt singing beautifully.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_WGe721gIE#t=10

Jadoo Nagari song Nigahon me tum ho, can you describe Lata’s singing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faLQe0h-7e4

134 mumbaikar8 December 4, 2014 at 6:36 pm

Sharmaji,
You have rightly said tum mujhe bhool bhi jao and aaj ke raat badi express different mood and would give rise to another category in itself, while the Parwana song is the perfect example.

135 ksbhatia December 4, 2014 at 9:31 pm

AK ji , Arvindersharmaji, Mumbaikerji and SOY family ; We have been very well entertained by contributers on songs of two themes viz. ” similar songs ” and ” happy/ sad song combo” and let these be continued for some more time . Meanwhile I was thinking of another theme where a singer has sung only few words , or a small line of a stanza and rest of the song is by the main co singer . As a starter I can quote two songs : 1 . Door koi gaye dhun yeh sunaye ……..Here Lataji is the main singer and Rafi sahib contribution is only ” Hoji ho ho ho ” . 2 Woh chand khila woh taare hanse yeh raat ……by Lataji. Here also Mukesh sang only one short line ” Na samjhe woh anari hai ” and rest of the song is by Lataji . If permitted ; I throw this theme to the worthy fellows of the ” OPEN HOUSE ” for contribution and entertaining all of us. The ball is now in everyone’s court [ Yard ] .

136 ksbhatia December 4, 2014 at 10:04 pm

Mumbaikerji ; Fantastic find at #133 ! Another magical musical songs from Roop kumari and Jadoo nagri ; so similar in every note and so lovable . Hats off to S N Tripathi and yourself Madam, for this fantastic find . Incidently this reminds me of another soft song of Lataji which is not similar but of the same type……..” Ankhon main samajao dil mein raha karna ” from Yasmin [1955].

137 N.Venkataraman December 5, 2014 at 12:07 pm

K S Bhatia ji,
Apropos to your suggestion (comment 135) does this song fit the bill.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxaxXsV4KAU

Here Ashok Kumar joins Devika Rani in singing the lines ‘Badi neer bharan waari, aayi braj naari, baari baari matwaari’ and repeats the same lines again. Later he sings two more lines – ‘Badi gaari dene waari, dekhoon de toh sahi gari’ and punctuates with words like ‘Chal hat’ and ‘Jhatpat’.

138 Mahesh December 5, 2014 at 1:48 pm

Kishore-Asha duet in Paying Guest 1957 in which Asha does not utter a single word.
I don’t think any other song can better this for the new theme.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv1Bu7nSmmY

139 mumbaikar8 December 5, 2014 at 7:11 pm

Bhatiaji,
Asha creating wordless magic with Geeta in Sujata!
Bachpan ke din bhi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pqKTTzvNOg

140 ksbhatia December 5, 2014 at 8:20 pm

Maheshji, Mumbaikerji ; Perfect ten for your lovely and entertaining songs . No doubt top of the chart songs . Venkatramanji, few words or a short line ; in a single or multiple stanza; is a requirement . Thanks for your contribution which is quite close to the target. Here I would like to contribute two more songs to foot the bill. 1 . Panchhi banoo urthii pheerun mast gagan mein …….. Here manadey utter one word [ billoree ] in every stanza .2, Nadi kinaree saath hamare le ke jawani ayi a Talat shamshad duet from Babul . Here Rafi sahib is part of the chorus . I will request one of you to kindly upload the songs as my comp is unable to do that .

141 arvindersharma December 6, 2014 at 1:06 am

KS Bhatia Ji,
This catagory of songs, where one major singer is a filler was perhaps started in one of the Mukesh posts where some readers contributed, and I think this subject was taken in another post as well.
Now that you have again brought up the topic, let me contribute some more.
Hemant Kumar in the epic national song,
Vandemataram from ‘Anandmath’
Vande Mataram Anand Math Lata Hemant Bankim Origi…: http://youtu.be/xj1Iy4nRMkc

Lata contributing to the song in ‘Jis Desh Me Ganga Behti Hai’
Aa Ab Laut Chalen Nain – Jis Desh Mein Ganga Beht…: http://youtu.be/H8Fu_O7y-dg

Mahendra Kapoor contributing at the end in this song from ‘Gangs Jamuna’, without any acknowledgement.
HO RE HO RE JHANAN GHUNGHAR BAAJE – LATA – SHAKEE…: http://youtu.be/mYmx_7sjToY

Mohammed Rafi in the song from ‘Leader’
Leader – Daiya Re Daiya Laj Mohe Lage – Asha Bhon…: http://youtu.be/Jsvt1ikEC5M

142 Arunkumar Deshmukh December 6, 2014 at 11:55 am

Here is one more such song-
Lata and Chitalkar in 40 Baba 1 Chor-1954. MD-S D Burman.
This was one of the very few songs Chitalkar sang for other MDs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ehvwebv8OU8

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143 maheshmamadapur December 6, 2014 at 12:22 pm

Mukesh solos from Safar and Sangam have Sharmila Tagore and Vaijantimala respectively uttering a few words. I think there are a quite a few more like this.
Another top of the chart song for this theme would be the rare Saigal-Rafi song from Shahjahan 1946.

144 N Venkataraman December 6, 2014 at 2:35 pm

Bhatia ji,
Glad to know that my contribution was close to the target, a Bogey (one short of Par) in golf parlance. On the same reckoning the other songs can be ranked between Par and Double Eagle. A dozen such songs have been posted till now. As per your request first let me post the songs you have mentioned. First the two songs mentioned in the comment #135.

1. Door koyi gaaye, by Shamsad Begum, Lata Mangeshkar and Md.Rafi, Baiju Bawra (1952), lyrics Shakeel Badayuni, music Naushad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4xsVfirJhU

2. Woh chand khila by Lata Mangeshkar and Mukesh, Anari (1959), lyrics Hasrat Jaipuri, music Shankar-Jaikishan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvtU5FYxK-c

Then the other two songs mentioned in comment #140.

3. Panchhi banu udti phiroon by Lata Mangeshkar and Manna Dey, Chori Chori (1956), lyrics Hasrat Jaipuri, music Shankar – Jaikishan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bChXFv3ygaI

4. Nadi kinare sath hamare by Shamsad Begum, Talat Mahmood and Md.Rafi, Babool(1950), lyrics Shakeel Badayuni, music Naushad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0GtQGbs3E8

145 N Venkataraman December 6, 2014 at 3:11 pm

Here are some interesting observations.
In both the songs Door koyi gaaye and Nadi kinare sath hamare , Lata is the main singer, Rafi plays the second fiddle with minimal words, Shakeel Badayuni and Naushad provides the lyrics and music respectively.

Similarly Lata Mangeshkar, Hasrat Jaipuri and Shanker-Jaikishan are common to both the songs Woh chand khila and Panchhi banu udti phiroon.

In the songs presented by Sharmaji, Daiya re daiya laj mohe lage Rafi-Shakeel-Naushad combination and in the song Ho re ho re jhanan ghunghar baaje Lata-Shakeel-Naushad combination is at work.

As far as I know Mahendra Kapoor never rendered any song under Naushad’s baton (except one NFS). So it is all the more surprising that Naushad employed Mahendra Kapoor for a few seconds in the above mentioned song Ho re ho re jhanan ghunghar baaje.

Mahesh ji and Mubaikar8 ji (in keeping with her reputation) came out with two wonderful wordless magic. Here too one can observe that Asha Bhosle, Nutan, Majrooh Sultanpuri and S D Burman were common to both the songs.
Mahesh ji has made another fantastic addition. From Shahjehan . I am posting the song here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UvheB4dfcs

146 maheshmamadapur December 6, 2014 at 3:50 pm

Venkataraman ji,
Thanks for the links. I am very much surprised about your nil score for Naushad-Mahendra Kapoor combo.
In fact MK started his very career with a fabulous solo in Sohni Mahiwal 1958 apart from a duet with Lata.
In Aadmi 1968 he even replaced Talat saab for the all male duet with Rafi saab on the insistence of Manoj Kumar I suppose.
Apart from the above, Sunehra Sansar (1975), Saathi (1968) and Ram Aur Shyam (1967) etc have some combo effect albeit in insignificant contributions.
I hope I am not wrong.

147 N Venkataraman December 6, 2014 at 3:53 pm

Bhatia ji, Mahesh Ji,

Continuing with the theme were a singer has sung only few words, or a small line of a stanza and rest of the song is by the main co singer let me pose a question. Can we include the songs, where one singer is singing and someone else utters a word /few words and not actually singing, under this theme?
Here is another song from the 40s where Manna Dey starts not with a small line as stated by you, but with a few lines of the first stanza and then Lata takes over. This too will fall short of the target, another bogey.

Madhur madhur naam bhaj re by Lata Mangeshkar and Manna Dey, Narasimha Avatar (1949), lyrics Narendra Sharma, music Vasant Desai
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCJySlyEfwU

148 N Venkataraman December 6, 2014 at 4:10 pm

Mahesh Ji,

You are right and I am wrong. How could I miss Sohini Mahiwal, Sunhera Sansaarand Aaadmi. May be signs of ageing. My memory is failing me! But let me confess I cannot recollect MK’s song from Ram aur Shyam and Saathi.

Thanks for the correction.

149 N Venkataraman December 6, 2014 at 4:32 pm

My previous shot (on Mahendra Kapoor) landed in a sand trap. Mahesh ji has scored a hole in one! As for theme songs are concerned, I am yet to go beyond a Bogey. At least I will have to score a face-saving Par. I will try with an Iron club for my next tee shot.

150 arvindersharma December 6, 2014 at 4:53 pm

Venkataraman Ji,
This folk song from from Ram Aur Shyam has Mahendra Kapoor with Asha Bhonsle.
Ram Aur Shyam – Dheere Dheere Bol: http://youtu.be/qiv1VMVdkww
I am also not aware of any other song of Naushad/MK.
(Mahesh Ji may please throw some light)
This topic has made me recall a very interesting incident where the great Lata (in the making) was persuaded by Anil Biswas to join the chorus in this song from Badi Bahu, sung by Surinder Kaur.
Surinder Kaur & chorus – Duniya Se Nyari Gori Ter…: http://youtu.be/v-A5m8dmhg4
(The incident is mentioned in Harish Bhimani’s biography of Lata Mangeshkar).
And my vote for the topper in these song goes to Mahesh ji’s find, the KL Sehgal song where Rafi participated.

151 mumbaikar8 December 6, 2014 at 7:18 pm

Venkataraman Ji, Sharmaji,
I think I will go will Mahesh on MK singing in Saathi, I remember MD singing bhoolja bhoolja in very high pitch, but that song is in Mukesh’s voice without that high pitched bhoolja bhoolja.
Deshmukhji is the only one who can help out with this.
I have two songs where in the beginning Rafi in sher and later lata taking over own her own.
I hope this will fit Bhatiaji’s bill.

Black Cat song mai tumhi se poochhti hoon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpJFs9Kh1GE#t=61

Baat ek raat ki
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-lQ8hNVthc
Sheeshe ka ho ya patthat ka dil

152 N Venkataraman December 6, 2014 at 7:40 pm

Sharma ji, Mumbaikar8 ji,
Thank you for the wonderful numbers.
When I said I cannot recollect MK’s songs from Ram aur Shyam and Saathi, my intention was not to contradict Mahesh ji. Even after listening to the MK’s duet with Asha Bhosle posted by Sharmaji, I could not remember listening to the song earlier, although I have seen Ram aur Shyam.
Yes I am with you Sharmaji on K L saigal-Rafi

153 N Venkataraman December 6, 2014 at 7:52 pm

Sorry for the incomplete comment.
Sharmaji I am with you on your views on K L Saigal-Rafi song from Shahjehan.
Let me add another song although it belongs to 1973. In the entire song Lata sings from 3:41 to 3:52 and again from 4:32 to 4:35 , altogether for 15 seconds. Hope this song will qualify for an Eagle if not a Double-eagle.
Meri dil ki jali hai aaj holi, by Manna Dey and Lata Mangeshkar, Pinjra (1973), lyrics Bharat Vyas, music Ram Kadam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_KgRGICsuo

154 N Venkataraman December 6, 2014 at 8:27 pm

Sharmaji, Mumbaikar8 ji, Mahesh ji
Mahesh ji was absolutely right. Thanks to Mumbaikar8 ji for providing the lead. This song also fits in well with the theme currently under discussion. Mahendra kapoor singing the words Bhool ja (4), thrice in the entire song taking 30 seconds in all. Thank you Mahesh ji.
Here is the link
Jo chala caya use bhool j by Mukesh and Mahendra Kapoor, Saathi (1968), lyrics Majrooh Sultanpuri, music Naushad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8W_F4xfilg

155 mumbaikar8 December 6, 2014 at 10:11 pm

Venkataraman Ji,
I did not mean to say you were contradicting Mahesh.I am sorry if I sent that impression. I wanted to second Mahesh’s statement.
Thank you very much for the Saathi song upload, I tried but could not find it with MK’s bhoolja bhoolja.
Surprisingly it fits the bill of the theme too!

156 arvindersharma December 6, 2014 at 11:37 pm

Bhatia Ji, mumbaikar8, Venkataraman Ji and Mahesh Ji,
A few more in this interesting series
The beautiful all time classic by Talat and Asha from ‘Sone Ki Chidiya’
Pyar Par Bus To Nahin Hai – Talat Mehmood, Asha B…: http://youtu.be/dYchgFUtmgo

A lesser heard song from ‘School Master’ has Mahendra Kapoor contributing with only one opening line
Aaj Andhere Mein Hain Ham Bhagwan Gyan Ka Sooraj …: http://youtu.be/79CZJAWDn50
(Actually the song is, ‘Aaj andhere me hain sab insaan’)
Another timeless song from ‘Sohni Mahiwal’, where Rafi provides just the opener, and it’s Lata all the way in the rest of the song
Sohni Mahiwal (1958)-Mera Bichhda Yaar Mila De (M…: http://youtu.be/Dt80Iax6zWU

One more from ‘Halaku’, where Rafi plays second fiddle to Lata
Halaku – Dil Ka Na Karna Aitbaar Koi – Mohd.Rafi …: http://youtu.be/eVKbxtmbkCE

Again, in this duet from ‘Tu Hi Meri Zindagi’, Rafi plays the same role, this time to Asha Bhonsle
Jidhar Bhi Mai Dekhu – Deb Mukherjee – Nivedita -…: http://youtu.be/5fKMMZrDUFg

Lastly, in this great song from ‘Jhanak Jhanak Payal Baje’, Manna De completes the classic sung by Lata
Mere Ae Dil Bata (Jhanak Jhanak Payal Baje): http://youtu.be/M3TidqXIMYg

157 ksbhatia December 6, 2014 at 11:44 pm

Yes ; every one is hitting bulls eye . As long as we are entertained , there is no question of missing the target or a bogey . I see there are many surprises in store in the worthy colleagues wardrobes and i am sure they will open their cards slowly. Till now so many hidden songs came up which were not heard earlier . To me the surprise no ..1 . was the saigal rafi combo [ also noted the yester years actor Jairaj at 3.15 ] , no 2 was MKs exit utterations of Ganga Jamuna song which till now i was thinking that it was Rafis voice. no.3. Lata chitalkar combo song from un heard movie 40 ………… And the beautiful melody ‘” Main tumhi se pucchhti hun ” from Black cat falling into this catag. Thanks Venketramanji for uploading the songs . Here is one more from my side ” Dharti se door badaloan ke pass aaja basale naya sansar aaja ” by Geeta and Aasha ji . Here geeta dutt is the main singer and aasha ji only giving humming support . The song is from Sangdil.

158 Hans December 6, 2014 at 11:58 pm

This is a good theme started by Bhatiaji. As told by Sharmaji such songs have been mentioned earlier on SOY. Mahesh (comment 138) declared the Paying Guest song the best under this theme. Perhaps he thought there is no other wordless song. But, Mumbaikar8 came up with ‘bachpan ke din bhi’ with only humming by Asha. Another song from Sone Ki Chidiya ‘pyar par bas to nahin hai’ (Talat-Asha) has already been mentioned when this theme was earlier discussed. The coincidence in these 3 songs is that Asha is humming for the same person in each of them. The link for ‘pyar par bas’ is here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYchgFUtmgo

There is another song in which Hemant is contributing in the same manner and Lata is singing (peechhe peechhe aakar – House No 44). This has also been discussed earlier at more than one place. Everybody would agree that these great MDs created these songs for special effects. In view of this perhaps the song posted by Arunji from Chalisbaba Ek Chor is unique, because such special effects are not found in any other song – at least not by me.

Bhatiaji mentioned ‘panchhi banu udti phirun’ which Lata sang and Mannadey and chorus chanted hillori (yes it is hillori Bhatiaji not billori). There is a similar song in Mere Sanam sung by Asha where Rafi just sings Haji Baba twice after Asha completes the mukhda. The song is ‘Haji-3 are haji baba’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSXVt-B8dPw

I think songs with such set few words being repeated should be considered as wordless songs by the second singer. Thus songs like ‘door koyi gaye’ (lead singer here is Shamshad Bhatiaji) will fall under the wordless category.

Two such wonderful songs were posted by Sharmaji, from Ganga Jamuna and Leader. And it is so difficult to locate such songs which are famed as being solos. Therefore I would congratulate Sharmaji on discovering these songs. I remember two such songs which have been passed as solos. Mohabbat choome jiske hath from Aan and Tum jo mil gaye ho from Hanste Jakhm have been issued as solos in records. The Aan song contains Shamshad singing the Mukhda 3 times by the maid-servant of Nadira who is sent to call Dilip. In Hanste Zakhm Lata sings the mukhda for Priya Rajvansh when Rafi has ended singing. More in the next post.

159 Hans December 7, 2014 at 12:13 am

Bhatiaji, the Ganga Jamuna singer has not been finally settled as per me. It is least likely that it was Mahendra Kapoor. The singer could be Rafi or he could be Dilip himself. Rafi has sung quite a few songs in which he sounded like MK. I and AK discussed a few such songs in the Chitragupta article, you can listen to them. Dilip himself sang at least one song as duet with Lata in Musafir.

Another topic being discussed is the number of songs sung by MK for Naushad. So far as what I know he has sung 7 songs (excluding the Ganga Jamuna song) of which 4 are solos or chorus based solos, two are male-male duets and one male-female duet. The male-male duets from Aadmi and Sathi and the male-female duet from Ram aur Shyam have been mentioned. The Sohni Mahiwal song is well known. In Sunehra Sansar there are two versions (happy and sad) of the same song ‘is ghar men koi deewar nahin’. The remaining song is from film Ganwaar. The song is ‘woh kaun hai jo maan ki tarah’ – a chorus based solo.

160 maheshmamadapur December 7, 2014 at 11:55 am

Ya-hoo ! Chhahe koyi mujhe junglee kahe (Junglee) (1961)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1otz4NQxSP8

The yahoo part was done by Prayag Raj

Now, what about Affo khudaayaa (Jab Jab Phool Khile) (1965) ??

161 Arunkumar Deshmukh December 7, 2014 at 12:07 pm

Mumbaikar8 ji,

Re. comment no. 151…

The song ‘ jo chala gaya usse bhool ja’-Saathi-1968, does have Mahendra Kapoor in the begining. This is confirmed by HFGK as well as Raju Bharatan ji in his book ‘ Naushadnama’ pp 179.

-AD

162 maheshmamadapur December 7, 2014 at 1:40 pm

Arun Sir,
Thanks for the confirmation. May I add that the film titles at the beginning do not have MK’s name. Its only Mukesh, Suman and Lata.

It was Naushad who said MD’s were guilty of using Mukesh in high pitches. This song will rank amongst Mukesh’s highest pitch. But, then Mukesh does a decent job for the song.

163 gaddeswarup December 7, 2014 at 3:36 pm

Wondering whether are some sort of unique occurrences “It happened only once” sort of things. I find that there is one duet by Geeta Dutt and Ashoka Kumar. Did they sing any more duets?. If not, are there similar rare occurrences?

164 maheshmamadapur December 7, 2014 at 3:49 pm

Rafi-Noorjehan in Jugnu 1947.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PKNh4ceh14

165 arvindersharma December 7, 2014 at 4:13 pm

Lata Suman Kalyanpur duet from ‘Chand’
Lata Mangeshkar & Suman Kalyanpur – Kabhi Aaj Kab…: http://youtu.be/28VvV7kbYTI

166 arvindersharma December 7, 2014 at 4:38 pm

Venkataraman Ji,
Here are some more
Lata and Dilip Kumar from ‘Musafir’
Dilip Kumar Sings with Lata ji…: http://youtu.be/4kcdZ5zY75I

Lata Mangeshkar, Usha Mangeshkar and Meena Mangeshkar from ‘Patrani’
PATRANI [1956] … LATA MANGESHKAR … ARI KOI JA…: http://youtu.be/-ASzOkczRmQ

I am sceptical about this one from ‘Sambandh’, a duet by Hemant Kumar and Mahendra Kapoor, but the contrasting melody by OP Naiyyar and great lyrics by Pradeep force me to take a plunge.
Sambhand – Jo Diya Tha Tumne Ek Din – Mahendra Ka…: http://youtu.be/BojAVUajGoI

167 arvindersharma December 7, 2014 at 4:44 pm

Sorry Gaddeswarup Ji,
I should have addressed you in the post as you initiated this interesting discussion, and no offense to dear Venkataraman Ji.

168 mumbaikar8 December 7, 2014 at 10:49 pm

Arunji,
Thanks.

169 gaddeswarup December 8, 2014 at 4:26 am

arvindsharmaji, No worries. I am an outsider in these discussions with very little knowledge of films, songs and Hindi. But I have always enjoyed Hindi film songs without knowing the language. This forum gives me chance to ask uninformed questions and better : links to many wonderful songs that I have not been aware of. With best regards,
Swarup

170 arvindersharma December 8, 2014 at 8:10 pm

I am sure everyone amongst us must not heard the Mukesh song from ‘Anokhi Ada’, ‘Kabhi dil dil se takraya to hogs’
Now listen to this beautiful Shamshad Begum twin song, where Mukesh sings just two lines.
Kabhi Dil Dil Se Shamshad Begum Mukesh Film Anokh…: http://youtu.be/1rhxkVUQkBc

171 arvindersharma December 8, 2014 at 8:32 pm

In my comments above, kindly read the first line as, ‘everyone amongst us must have heard’.
Regret typo error.

172 ksbhatia December 9, 2014 at 3:09 pm

Arvindersharmaji, Amazing ! Beautiful song from Anokhi Ada , nice discovery of single / double line rendering by a male singer . Can I ask you who is the male actor beside surendra nath ? Just for cuorosity .

173 arvindersharma December 9, 2014 at 5:12 pm

KS Bhatia Ji,
Thanks for your liking this beautiful song.
But to answer your question, I am not the right person.
We have Gaddeswarup Ji, Arun Kumar Deshmukh Ji, Hans Ji, and Venkataraman Ji, besides many other stalwarts, who can identify the actors of vintage era.
I am sure someone will come up with an answer.
I am merely an audio buff, who now trying to get familiar with vintage HFM.

174 AK December 9, 2014 at 5:20 pm

I have been following the discussion with great fascination, but could not participate as I had been travelling. On return I heard all the songs carefully, and what amazing collection we have! After some incredible ‘similar songs’, now ‘Happy-Sad’ songs and ‘Duets that are really solos’ collection must be the best available anywhere at one place.

Duets that are really solos have been discussed off and on earlier too, and I have some thoughts on them which I like to share with the readers. One type is where one of the voices is a recognised playback singer, but the other is the actor ‘speaking’ a few words, such as Vyjayanthimala in Bol Radha bol sangam hoga ki nahi. Another that comes to mind is Ek tha gul aur ek thi bulbul in which Nanda carries forward the conversation to the Rafi solo in recital style. There could be several. We may keep this type aside.

A second type arises because of difference between the film version and the record, which is made later for commercial sale as a stand alone product. Mohabbat choome jinke haath or Kabhi dil dil se takrata to hoga I understand were recorded as solos, but in films you have short pieces of Shamshad Begum’s voice in both the songs. (Bhatiaji, the second male actor in Anokhi Ada you see in the song is Prem Adib. A typical love-triangle). Dharti ko aakash pukaare is a classic example – you see this song in various short combo of Mukesh and Shamshad Begum throughout the film Mela, but, I don’t recall ever as the standard duet we are familiar with. Such songs would be innumerable, and we may also keep them aside. (This is not to say that such songs are not interesting in their own right.)

Mere sapno ki rani, Roohi meri Roohi is indeed very interesting for Rafi’s line in the end in KL Saigal’s chorus-backed solo. I didn’t count it in my list of ‘Duets that are really solos’, because Rafi was then a minor singer for Naushad. Rafi too took it as a great opportunity for a beginner to sing with his idol.

That leaves the cases where both the voices are equally weighty, but one just hums, or sings a few lines or words. These are also in large numbers, and their compilation and analysis can throw some interesting pattern, as Vebkataramanji and some other readers have attempted. The more interesting question is the musical or cinematic reasons for such innovation, and whether there were any ego issues in such cases.

There is another type which has not been mentioned by the readers. There are many duets of three stanzas, in which one voice sings the first two stanzas, creating an impression of it being a solo, and the other voice sings the third stanza, which is often forgotten. The problem arose because in the 78-rpm days, only two stanzas (i.e. making it a solo) were recorded and broadcast, and later with LP-technology the full song came to public knowledge. For many years I regarded Tumhara chaahnewala Khuda ki duniya mein mere siwa bhi koi aur ho Khuda na kare or Bahut shukriya badi meharbani as solos.

Lastly, let me add a trivia to Mahesh’s Yahoo trivia. The other day I saw Namak Halaal on TV, the main charm being Pag ghunghroo baandh Meera naachi re. After the song, the TV filler mentioned that the classical sargam taans in the song were sung not by Kishore Kumar, but by a classical singer P Satyanarayan Mishra, who also taught music to KK’s son Amit Kumar. I still find it difficult to believe, because the whole piece is so seamless, and I am sure KK would have done an equally competent job.

175 mumbaikar8 December 9, 2014 at 6:30 pm

Sharmaji,
Thanks for the beautiful song.
Bhatiaji, AK,
Some songs we think as duets are not, for example, in Raju Bharatan’s Naushadnama he mentions that, tu gnaga ki muaj mai, infact was a rafi solo it became a duet because HMV doctored it that way in 78 RPM record.The link to goole book and the song we all know!
http://books.google.com/books?id=mg09BAAAQBAJ&pg=PT146&lpg=PT146&dq=raju+bharatan+naushad+nama+rafi&source=bl&ots=EUa4OZt0zg&sig=D8EPlJ8wxHYW24DortHBs6q_sXU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=n-6GVNScOoymyASpmoG4DA&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=tu%20ganga&f=false
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiROhJjdlYg

176 gaddeswarup December 10, 2014 at 6:55 am

Motherland magazine has an issue ‘item’ with links to interesting articles http://www.motherlandmagazine.com/ Richard Singer has a post on Cuckoo Moray. In the comments section, Mel gives links to some olf Filmindia issues.

177 gaddeswarup December 10, 2014 at 11:43 am

AKJi at 174 “That leaves the cases where both the voices are equally weighty, but one just hums, or sings a few lines or words. …..The more interesting question is the musical or cinematic reasons for such innovation, and whether there were any ego issues in such cases.” Two cases I remember seem very different but ego considerations do not seem to be the cause. One is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X55NhTZ-gKs
The other is the famous Mubarak Begum-Talat duet (though some dispute whether it was Mubarak Begum) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3XdTVypwcI
But I do not know enough Hindi to judge the weight of the significance of words. I would guess, the reasons were mostly cinematic.

178 arvindersharma December 10, 2014 at 2:26 pm

Gaddeswarup Ji,
Listened to the beautiful rare song, ‘chanda ka rang liye’, after you mentioned that there is some confusion as to who is the female singer of the song.
I am nearly sure that the singer is Lata, and not Mubarak Begum, unless some concrete proof is there to contradict this.
(For me, it will be very tough to believe that Mubarak Begum is the singer).
In Atul ji’s blog also, a reader has posted the song mentioning Lata and Talat as singers.

179 Hans December 11, 2014 at 2:58 am

Sharmaji, (No. 166)
Lata, Meena, Usha has another song which is more famous ‘duniya men aaye hain to jeena hi padega’ from Mother India.

The Hemant Kapoor song is unique. Hemant was perhaps a ladies man. Very few of his songs are exclusively with male singers. As per the available record with me, besides the Sambandh song he has one duet with Rafi ‘dushmanon savdhan’ fromd Netaji Subhash Bose as per HFGK but in that duet Hemant’s voice is not audible. Another MM duet is with Ravi in film Yahudi ki Ladki, but I could not confirm because no such song was found on youtube.

Besides these there are five more songs of his with only male singers. One is in Kitna Badal Gaya Insaan with Ghulam Mohd and an unknown singer ‘paanv badhata chal’. He has 4 all male songs in Biwi Aur Makaan, which is a story of 5 friends, two of whom (Biswajeet and Keshto) play the role of wives of two of the others for getting a house on rent. This is a unique film in which there is no male female duet, though there is love affair with two daughters of the landlord.

I am mentioning this film in detail because it has three songs which conform to the ongoing themes. There is a song ‘khul simsim khullam khulla’ (with nonsensical lyrics to give it a comic touch) sung by Manna Dey, Hemant and Bula Gupta and this is picturised on Biswajeet who himself mimicks the other sounds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy-mB8GBfAc

There is a song ‘bas mujhko muhabbat ho gai hai’ sung by Mukesh in ‘nain dwar se’ style and Talat, Hemant, Manna Dey and Joginder support him. While Mukesh sings in one tune the others sing in two different tunes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1JvRoI4E-k

In fact all the other three all male songs would fit some or the other theme and are funny also. So I will give links to them in a separate post.

180 Hans December 11, 2014 at 3:12 am

Aa tha jab janam liya – Biwi aur Makan – Manna, Mukesh, Hemant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3piAsv6myE
There are two songs in this link which follow one after other. The song which follows is Lata-Asha duet ‘dabe labon se’.

Duniya men do sayane – Manna, Hemant, Joginder, Jayant Mukherji
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXoego8w374

Jab dosti hoti hai – Manna, Hemant, Balbir, Ghulam Mohd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzwT7T9nCSA

181 arvind December 11, 2014 at 11:24 am

wishing dilip kumar many happy returns of the day.sharing a madhumati song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkjfF11k7ls
(toote huye khwabon ne…)

182 maheshmamadapur December 11, 2014 at 1:10 pm

Its Asha ji all the way for this sub-theme of wordless magical duets.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8F3q_S4Dxo

Talat saab and Asha ji in PYASE NAIN-1954.

183 maheshmamadapur December 11, 2014 at 1:28 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fci06O4iQnw

And, now the Nightingale.

Talat-Lata in Adl-e-Jehangir 1955.

184 arvindersharma December 11, 2014 at 1:36 pm

Hans Ji,
Many thanks for reminding me and fellow contributors for the famous triplet of ‘Mother India’, which I had completely forgotten, while mentioning the song from ‘Patrani’
Following you in the musical endeavor, here is a song from K Asif’s ‘Love And God’, where Manna De, Rafi, Talat and Lata besides Balbeer are singing this less heard gem.
(My favorite portion is where Rafi takes over)
Muhammad Rafi,Manna Dey,Talat Mehmood & Lata Mang…: http://youtu.be/ox7LTIU92vo

185 N Venkataraman December 11, 2014 at 11:04 pm

Yeh hansta hua karvan zindagi ka na poocho chala hai kidar – Hemant Kumar and Asha Bhosle
Will this song qualify?
Probably this song was discussed in one of the earlier posts. I cannot exactly recollect.
Another song is Main teri tamanna karta hoon from the film Khyber 1954 where Madhubala Zaveri repeats the line O jaaniyaan, O jaaniyaan, mera dil mujhko de. Mukesh was the main singer.

186 N Venkataraman December 11, 2014 at 11:23 pm

Another wordless magic! Usha Khanna with Mukesh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOtxvi_1tww

187 AK December 11, 2014 at 11:31 pm

Venkataramanji,
Ye hansta hua zindagi ka fits in perfectly. I recall I mentioned it along with some other songs, such as Peechhe peechhe aa ke. Main teri tamanna karta hun is a wonderful song.

Mahesh,
Your both songs are outstanding. HFGK does not identify the female voice in Chaand sitaare karte ishaare; if it is really Lata Mangeshkar, it is the most extreme case discovered so far, because even the humming of the lady is almost inaudible unlike Asha Bhosle’s in several songs mentioned earlier.

188 ksbhatia December 12, 2014 at 12:06 am

Venkataramanji, Yeh hansta hua karvan zindgi ka ………. is one of the most lovable and romantic song of Hemant and Aashaji . The song hits right on the target . Thanks for reminding the melody .

189 ksbhatia December 12, 2014 at 12:13 am

Many happy returns of the day to our great Dilip sahib ji . It is one of the reason that we are enjoying yester years melodies . And I wish to share one of my fav song ” Milte he ankhen dil hua diwana kisi ka ” from babul .

190 mumbaikar8 December 12, 2014 at 1:05 am

Wishing Dilip Kumar a happy and healthy life on this day,
with one of my, many Dilip saab’s, favourite. Aaj purani rahon se koi mujhe awaaz na de.

191 Hans December 12, 2014 at 1:40 am

Thanks to Arvind for timely reminding us about Dilip Kumar birthday. I would give a link to the Dil Diya Dard Liya song ‘koi sagar dil ko’. A stalwart Rafi fan once told about an email to him by a friend, who was not particularly fond of Rafi, who said that Shakeel excelled himself in this song and has seen few better deep meaning lyrics than this song. He particularly mentioned the last antara of the ghazal.
Zindagi ke aaine ko tod do,
Ismen ab kuchh bhi nazar aata nahin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUzbWsZKdAs

What a pity that such great music by Naushad and the three ace solos by Rafi and the pairing of Dilip-Waheeda could not stop the film from being a flop.

192 AK December 12, 2014 at 11:15 am

I celebrated Dilip Kumar’s birthday yesterday in a grand manner with three back to back movies thanks to Z-Classic: Amar, Andaaz and Aan. Each a distinct character, ranging from serious, romantic, brooding, swashbuckling. With Naushad music to boot one couldn’t ask for more. Wishing him a long life.

193 arvind December 12, 2014 at 12:24 pm

watched, yet again, ‘DEVDAS’.the portion between 2:09:00 to 2:15:40
is incredibly intense !something similar in intensity to when madhubala is trying to take dilip to temple and his reluctance in AMAR.

http://youtu.be/5vTH16nAXhY

194 mumbaikar8 December 12, 2014 at 6:37 pm

Let us have some wordless comedy after a series of wordless magic.
thoda sa dil laga ke dekh from Musfir Khana.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEr7Qg2x-7w

195 mumbaikar8 December 12, 2014 at 6:41 pm

Venkataramanji,
Here is the Mukesh Madhubala Zhaveri song you cited earlier. I think it fits the bill. Let us wait for the final verdict by Bhatia sir.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjzpqQC0COo#t=12

196 AK December 12, 2014 at 10:41 pm

Sometime back we were discussing similar songs. I discovered this Geeta Dutt song from Jalte Deep (1950), lyrics by Naazim Panipati, music by TK Das. So rare, but inspired N Datta for Tere pyar ka aasra chaahta hun?.

Humein apne dil se juda kar rahe ho

197 mumbaikar8 December 12, 2014 at 11:09 pm

AK,
Good discovery!
Can you believe? I just discovered one.
RDB inspired by his father.
SDB Sitaron se aage chanda ki chandnika jadu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFWAKJCjxQo#t=157
RDB Chala murari heo banne Do pal ki hai ye zindaani
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D21eMxe2ooc#t=223

198 ksbhatia December 12, 2014 at 11:48 pm

AKji, Jalte deep is truly an inspirational song for N Dutta’s Dhool ka Phool song and the tune is very similar. The music and songs of Dhool ka phool’ , otherwise was great .

199 ksbhatia December 13, 2014 at 12:17 am

Mumbaikar8, Musafir khana song by geeta and rafi is really great and perfectly fits the bill; so also Venkatramanji’s Mukesh/ Madhubala Zhaveri song . The rendering with which rafi sahib sang for Johny Walker holds the perfection seal . I have a faint remembrance of a kishore / rafi song where kishore provided only the ” Yodlie ” part with rafi as main singer. I am unable to recollect the song and the movie [ picturised on Gope, Bhagwan?] . Anybody having an idea of the same? Your SDB/ RDB similar songs are really a surprise for me. It seems OK in the family .

200 Hans December 13, 2014 at 2:07 am

Mumbaikar8,
In continuation of your wordless comedy here is a similar song from Sanam. Meena Kumari crushes the foot of Dev Anand to make him sing, but he sends out a cry in the classical voice of Batish, which is the only contribution of Batish in the song.

Naya naya hai pyar – Sanam 1951 – Suraiyya, Shamshad, Batish
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLmDogH8Rjk

There is another funny song in the same film by Batish and Shamshad. Gope starts singing in the voice of Batish and Meena Kumari slaps him on the back of his head and lo! the voice of Shamshad starts coming out of his mouth. Shamshad sings a few words and Meena gives another slap and he is Batish again.
Chalo honolulu – Sanam 1951 – Batish, Shamshad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FSvhcm0rGk

201 mumbaikar8 December 13, 2014 at 4:29 am

Hans,
You have surely moved the comedy further let’s see how far others can take! Bhatiaji mentioned some Rafi Kishore song, I hope someone finds
it.
Bhatiaji,
We were discussing happy sad moods in a song.
This song from Kajal, the moods are not happy and sad but it is exactly opposite to one other, Asha is totally at peace while the Rafi absolutely restless inspite of being high .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCjosNCJwuA

202 AK December 13, 2014 at 10:45 am

In the ‘Open House’ things are moving very fast now, and one has to keep running not to be left behind.

I wish to compliment Hans on his interesting observation on Chalo Honolulu. I was familiar with the song, but had not given much thought to its picturisation.

No one noticed that Venkataramanji’s Main teri tamanna karta hun combines two themes currently being discussed. Not only it fits into ‘Duets that are really solos but also ‘Inspired songs’ – inspired very clearly from Hum tujhse mohabbat karke sanam. I vaguely recall there is another very similar Mukesh song.

203 AK December 13, 2014 at 4:09 pm

Dear readers,
Now SoY is on facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/songsofyore

204 arvind December 14, 2014 at 9:40 am

december 14.raj kapoor’s birthday! lyricist shailendra ‘s passing away !!sharing a ‘teesri kasam’ song :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT7HoeYpiB0

(duniya banane waale …)

205 AK December 14, 2014 at 11:08 am

And Zee Classic is having RK festival. Watching Shree 420, I don’t emember how many times I have seen it.

206 N Venkataraman December 14, 2014 at 11:15 am

My tributes to Raj Kapoor and Shailendra.

Shailendra was also the producer of the film Tesri Kasam. It took four long years for completion. The film was critically acclaimed, but did not achieve commercial success. The same year Shailendra became critically ill and passed away at an young age of 43.

Before his demise Shailendra had written the first two lines of a song for the film Mera Naam Joker. Later Shaily, the son of Shailendra, then in his teens penned the lyrics for the rest of the song. The song was Jeena yahaan marna yahaan.

207 ksbhatia December 14, 2014 at 1:59 pm

Mumbaikar8; Excellent forgotten Kajal song; born again . This is really a magic of sahir/ ravi combo which shows how a melody is made without or least instrumental support . I think this song can easily be rated as one of the best of Aashaji/ Rafi sahib duet. Beautiful discovery.

208 ksbhatia December 14, 2014 at 2:30 pm

Those who are watching Shree 420 must keep their ears ” on ” to the excellent background music ‘ The movie have many hidden tunes of RK movies as also SJ songs for the films made thereafter.

209 mumbaikar8 December 14, 2014 at 9:36 pm

Remembering Raj Kapoor and Shailender.
Irony! song of his last movie.
Sajan re jhooth mat bolo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiS4pgwXADQ

210 Hans December 15, 2014 at 2:15 am

Arvind has again shown the path here about Raj Kapoor and Shailendra.

Another star of yesteryears Biswajeet also shares his birthday with Raj Kapoor. He is known to be a hero whose career rocked because of Rafi. But, initially he came with Hemant as his playback. Hemant scored ‘jara najron se kahdo ji’ and ‘bekarar karke hamen’ in Bees Saal Baad which was a hit and his career was launched. Hemant also playbacked for him in Bin Badal Barsaat (‘jab jaag uthen armaan’ and ‘zindagi kitni khoobsoorat hai’) and Kohra (‘ye nayan dare dare’ and ‘rah bani khud manzil’) for the films in which he himself was MD. KA then continued in the same vein in Majboor and gave ‘tumhen jo bhi dekh lega’ to Hemant to sing. But, they gave one solo to Rafi also in that film. Then Ravi came up with Shehnai in the same year and his triple aces ‘na jhatko zulf se pani’, ‘kitni jawan hai zindagi’ and ‘kya ajab saaz hai ye shehnai’ and Biswajeet was inseparable from Rafi for a long time, with hits like Mere Sanam, April Fool and Night in London. But I give here link to a song by Chitragupta from Pyar Ka Sapna which came in 1969 when his career had started a downtrend. The song is ‘ji lagta nahi apna’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff5rGykiTlk

211 mmumbaikar8 December 15, 2014 at 3:42 am

Hans,
In Biwi Aur Makan Rafi sang one song for Biswajeet under Hemant Kumar’s music direction,.
Jane kahan dekha hai kahan Dekha Hai Tumhe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkifmAo1JN4

212 mumbaikar8 December 15, 2014 at 8:58 pm

Bhatiaji,
Absolutely wonderful happy sad song from Daman by the Mangeshkar’s sister.
Yeh ruki ruki si hawayen from Daman. It is mentioned in 1951 year songs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZSXsGj9fdc

213 ksbhatia December 15, 2014 at 10:59 pm

Mumbaiker8; Simply superb song . I must confess I have not heard it earlier . Such rare songs are always joys for ever . During 60s and mid 60s there were quiet a few Lata/Asha duets which made grade in popularity charts of binaca geetmala during that time, Viz . 1 Choonhey na doongi main haath re najarion se ji bhar doongi 2. Yeh rangeen mahfil sharabi sharabi .etc

214 ksbhatia December 15, 2014 at 11:48 pm

Mumbaiker8; There are three beautiful songs by Hemantda in the Biswajit starer movie Rahgir ….1 Janam se banjara hun .2. Kabhi ruk gaye hain . 3. Tumahre nain dekh ke suna hai log jogi hogaye . The movie was a classic but could not do any thing for the masses . The movie had beautiful songs by Gulzar sahib and tuned by Hemant Kumar . The Lata ‘s song ” Mitwa bhul gaye kyun rahen ” is superb in content ; summing up the theme of the movie . All songs are worth listening again and again .

215 ksbhatia December 16, 2014 at 12:22 am

SOY family; So far so good ; We have really enjoyed listening to the most uncommon songs contributed in the three ” Themes ” Viz . … 1. Similar songs …2. Happy / Sad combo songs and 3. no word , few words, a liner , humming songs . The songs were really fantastic and I am sure the SOY family must have got really enriched by the various contribution . Two weeks from now we will be getting ready to welcome the New Year and for that, if permitted, I once again propose to offer one more theme ” Love call songs ” . In this theme the song can be happy or sad but must have a love call in the form of a word ; a line or a verse ; like 1. Aaja aaja … Tuj ko pukare mera pyar 2 Tumehn kasam hai mere dil ko na thukrao ……… O jane wale mudke jara dekhte jana [ shree 420] . I am sure every one will like this theme and as said before the ball is in every ones courtyard.

216 gaddeswarup December 16, 2014 at 7:16 am

Responding to 215. Like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmpuFJAPtbE

217 ksbhatia December 16, 2014 at 11:26 pm

Two songs from my side …..1. ” Ayee thi raat josh e tamaana liye………… Sitaaron ki mehfil saji tum na aaye ” Lataji sad song from Udan khatola with music by Naushad …….2 . ” Rahega ishk tera khaak mein milake mujhe…….. Aa aabhi ja raat dhalne lagi chand chhupne chala ” Lataji ‘s song from Teesri kasam with music by Shanker jaikishan. Both these have beautiful lines before the main song. And both have timeless aging ; not to be forgotten having collectors items tag .

218 gaddeswarup December 17, 2014 at 2:02 am

“And so the first movie to feature a song on rain might have been Tansen 1941. Do correct us if you know otherwise but we just went on a logical thinking spree and deduced it.” from https://www.friedeye.com/some-firsts-of-india-cinema/

219 AK December 17, 2014 at 2:08 pm

Gaddeswarupji,
That’s a very interesting link. Thanks a lot. They have missed one important trivia: the first female music director. Saraswati Devi (Achhut Kanya, 1936) was given this honour, but new research gives this credit to some earlier ladies.

On rain song, the information is almost surely wrong. If you glance at the list of songs from 1931 to 1942 (Tansen came in 1943, and not in 1941), you find dozens on the theme of rain. SoY has mentioned some very early songs, such as Barkha ki raat aaye manwa har le man ka bhaar by Pankaj Mullick in Adhikar (1938). In 1938 there is another one: Jhuki aayi re badariya saawan ki by Renuka Devi from Bhabhi. I am not aware of their picturisation; it is possible they were not picturised in rain. But here is Aaye aaye barkha laye by Sitara Devi from Roti (1942). What would you call this?

220 ksbhatia December 17, 2014 at 11:29 pm

Gaddeswarup’ji; The link is really very intresting and informative. However there seem to be some mistakes also. The first film to be awarded as ‘ A ‘ certificate was Barsat and not Nagina . And the first movie to be banned was Begunah [1956-58] ;not Sidharth .

221 Hans December 18, 2014 at 2:15 am

Gaddeswarupji,
AK is right and there is no reason he could be wrong because rain and sawan is such a common theme in Hindi films that it would be foolhardy to think that there would not be a rain song until 1943. There are a lot of songs from 1931 which suggest they were rain songs as AK said and he has given video evidence also. I know of a song from Aurat (music Anil Biswas) which was a rain song.

Gagri sookhi bail piyasa – Aurat ( 1940) – lyrics Safdar Aah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg6UCpNZLTI

These lines ‘gagri sookhi bail piyasa’ were later used in Sitaron Se Aage as starting lines for a song composed by SDB. Song was written by Majrooh.

Sambhal ke ye duniya hai – Sitaron Se Aage 1958
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVkQnD9f0Gc

The article in the link talks about research, but there is hardly any research. Most of the facts have been taken from books written about the History of films and wherever they have tried to take guesses of their own, they are wild ones. AK and Bhatiaji have referred to some of these.

AK,
You are right about the first female MD. The first female MD as per HFGK is Israt Sultana who gave music for Adal-e-Jahangir in 1934. May be she was the famous actress Bibbo, whose real name was Israt Sultana. This Israt Sultana gave music in only one other film Qazzak Ki Ladki (1937) jointly with another MD by the name of Samad. Bibbo acted opposite Surendra in the later film, but she did not act in the 1934 film. This riddle about Israt Sultana can be solved by Arunji only.

222 gaddeswarup December 18, 2014 at 2:25 am

Thanks to AKJi and others for the links. I was also fairly sure that they were wrong about the first rain song but thought that the query may unearth some nice songs.

223 Hans December 18, 2014 at 3:04 am

Mumbaikar8, (comment 211)
Prior to that Hemant used Rafi on Biswajeet in Do Dil (1965). He composed two solos and one duet picturised on Biswajeet and one solo on Mehmood which were sung by Rafi. One of the solos was ‘tera husn rahe mera ishq rahe’ – one of the most romantic songs. He also composed the most famous duet by Arati Mukherjee ‘sara mora kajra churaya tune’.

Regarding comment 118, which I could not reply earlier, Ashok Kumar was not a bad singer at all. You should consider that he came in an era of singing stars when the actors had to sing their own songs and music was in primitive stage. He sang what was given to him by MDs according to the prevalent style, which was based on the available instruments. Despite that he was the one who never tried to copy Sehgal and kept his own identity. His songs like ‘main ban ki chidiya’ and ‘radha radha pyari radha’ are still popular and are part of any collection of duets of vintage era. It is a shame that people like Kishore – whose life was made by Ashok Kumar – ridiculed his singing in his interview with Lata. I give a link to a solo by him in Achhut Kanya ‘peer peer kya karta re teri peer na jane koye’.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFt6nxfNa38

224 AK December 18, 2014 at 11:02 am

Hans,
Arunji confirms she is Bibbo. Jaddanbai (Nargis’s mother) comes second, Saraswati Devi becomes third.

225 Arunkumar Deshmukh December 18, 2014 at 2:37 pm

ksbhatia ji,

Ref comment no.220…

The first film to be banned was The Mill aka Mazdoor- 1934. Later on,after few changes it was released on 9-5-1936,as Ghareeb Parwar aka Daya ki Devi.
The next to be banned was Jugnu-47. After a legal battle,it was released again.
Next was Shin shinaki Boobla Boo-1952. This too fought a legal case and won after 1 year.
Next was Begunah-57.

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226 arvind December 18, 2014 at 7:51 pm

http://youtu.be/JWTqXJ4TocI
(yeh raat ye fizaayen …….aao shama bujha ke ham aaj dil jalayen..).
we all are familiar with this song and enjoy it every time we get to hear it.

but it appears this slightly modified version (the changes,in my opinion ,made it less soulful) was used in the movie: ….aao shama jalake ham aaj mil ke gaayen…

http://youtu.be/w6EatJIkVgg

227 ksbhatia December 19, 2014 at 12:50 pm

Arunkumar deshmukh , Thanks for the information. I think Beghuna was the only movie which was released for only two or three days, then withdrawn and there after it was banned and never re-released ; though its songs were released and some of them are on the YT .

228 ksbhatia December 19, 2014 at 1:22 pm

In cont. of #217 , Here is one more gem of a beautiful and melodious song by Lataji from the movie …..EK SAAL…… ” Kisi ne aaj mohabbat ko aajmaya hai [ as liner] ………… Chale bhi aao chale bee aao kasam tumehen hai [ as main song] “. Note the acting / face expressions of Madhubala as the song proceeds .

229 Hans December 20, 2014 at 1:30 am

Ak,
Bibbo gave music in 1934, so she is clearly the Ist, but how can we decide who was second unless we know the release dates of films. Because in 1935 there were three female MDs who gave music in their 1st films. Saraswati Devi (Jawani Ki Hawa), Jaddan Bai (Misra Ka Sitara) and Munni Bai (Talash-e-Haq jointly with a male MD) gave music in films released in 1935. Saraswati Devi is well known because she gave music in many films across the 30s, and 40s and great music too.

230 Hans December 20, 2014 at 2:45 am

In all this rush of posts nobody seems to have noticed the unique wordless duet posted by Venkatramanji in comment 186. This is a special rarity because it is romantic song (that too suhagraat song) picturised on Balraj Sahni. He was the one actor who got very few songs even in films in which he was the lead actor. Even in Bindiya the song ‘main apne aap se ghabra gaya hoon’ is picturised on him but is a background song.

Recently I was looking at Punar Milan songs composed by C. Arjun. There I found a duet which is not even in the HFGK list. This is picturised on Balraj Sahni and Leela Chitnis (again as background song) and sung by Pradeep (who sings starting lines) and then Kamal Barot goes solo. The song is ‘ye mujhko kya hua hai’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AH5UmkZZkk

231 Hans December 20, 2014 at 3:00 am

Arvind,
Great discovery. I scanned through the film available on youtube and there is only one version in the film. Perhaps they recorded two versions for two situations and only one was used. The version used in the film has its own charm. This is like the Pyase Panchhi song by Mukesh which was posted by somebody recently. It has a second version with different wording which comes in the end of the film.

232 Arunkumar Deshmukh December 20, 2014 at 7:56 am

Hans ji,

Ref comment no. 229….

I think there is some kind of a mix up with names and MDs.
Jaddanbai had given music to Talash-e- Haq-1935.
Damodar Sharma was the MD for ‘ Misr ka Sitara’-1935. Munni Bai was an actress. After the music work was almost over,Damodar sharma left the film. The songs which munni bai had to sing were tuned by herself. Rest all songs were already done by Sharma. She has not done any other work for film’s music. She had no history of composing music nor did she do it again any time, on record,atleast.
I think ,based on record numbers issued those days,it must have been recorded that jaddanbai’s film was the earlier one than ‘ jawani ki hawa’.
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233 arvind December 20, 2014 at 11:25 am

#231
Hansji,
some comments under the uploads hinted the lyrics (of the song….aao shama bujhake ham aaj dil jalayen….) ,possibly, running into trouble with the censors !!!!!!!!!……….

234 arvind December 20, 2014 at 11:36 am

# 185,
venkatramanji;
# 195,
mumbaikar8 ji :
thanks for introducing to the lovely mukesh madhubala jhaveri song from ‘khyber’ (1954).

235 ksbhatia December 20, 2014 at 11:51 pm

Hans’ji; It will be worth knowing as to who sang less songs on screen — Balraj sahni or Ashok kumar ?

236 ksbhatia December 21, 2014 at 3:25 pm

In continuation of ” One liner by other singer ” catg. here is one more such song by Lataji from Black Cat …… ” Main tumhee se puchhti hun mujhe tum se pyar kyun hai ” . Before the main song there is one liner by Lata and Rafi .

237 Hans December 22, 2014 at 4:40 pm

Arunji,
Thanks for pointing out the mix-up between Jaddanbai and Munnibai and also for other additional information.

But, Munnibai was not the only MD who gave music in one film only. Almost half of the MDs who gave music in 30s and 40s, were one film wonders.

Deciding which MD gave music on the basis of record numbers appears to me a faulty procedure. Because, in the 30s there were a number of films for which no records were issued due to the fact that music companies were not interested. Also in many cases records were issued very late, even after passage of 3-4 years from the date of release. I hope you agree to my viewpoint on this.

238 Hans December 22, 2014 at 4:43 pm

Arvind (no 233)
Comments on the youtube range from the wisest to the wildest. There is nothing in the version of song which was not used to warrant attention of the censor authorities.

239 Hans December 22, 2014 at 5:19 pm

Bhatiaji,
Songs on Ashok Kumar and Balraj Sahni is a good subject for research. But, for this purpose we would have to exclude the songs in which Ashok Kumar was a singing star, because in that scenario he would far outnumber Balraj Sahni.

But, I would give here two songs each of the two actors which are unique in their own respect. Ashok first. We have seen actors are shown talking to their inner self when they are in some dilemma. In this song from Ek Saal (sab kuchh luta ke hosh men by Talat), Ashok Kumar is silent and his inner self sings the songs teasing him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9LDWNlNzLk

The second song is ‘phooon ke haar le lo’ which Ashok sings disguised as a florist to solve a murder mystery in the film Inspector.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8wzqN0TdiU

Now, two sharabi songs picturised on Balraj Sahni. ‘Haan bura kiya hai huzoor maine’ from Dil Bhi Tera Hum Bhi Tere and ‘maine pee sharab’ from Naya Rasta.
1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OFP4S9zEps
2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJDnDyDAUSY
The common thing in these two songs is that Balraj Sahni, who is considered a great actor is seen as quite deficient in playing a drunkard though the songs were picturised 10 years apart.

One thing about ‘main tumhin se poochhti hoon’. Mumbaikar8 mentioned this song in comment 151.

240 AK December 22, 2014 at 7:50 pm

Hans,
You have added some very interesting songs picturised on Ashok Kumar and Balraj Sahni (#239), and Pradeep-Kamal Barot song (#230). Thanks a lot.

About Ashok Kumar’s singing (#223), regardless of whether he could ‘sing’, he is one of my great favourites from the vintage era. He would himself mock his singing ability quite openly. Therefore, KK’s comments we can take as good fun.

241 Arunkumar Deshmukh December 22, 2014 at 10:08 pm

Hans ji,
Ref comment no.
I entirely agree with you about the Records and a count based on them point.
The more appropriate way would be to see which film was released first.
Shri Harmandir Singh Hamraz ji must be having some details,since each entry in HFGK is based on its censor certificate date. Thus ,this again is a question mark,because censored does not mean released,as we all know.
I will go into this indepth and may be I can come back with something substantial,hopefully.
The kind of probing we are doing here can lead to some results,I hope.
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242 Arunkumar Deshmukh December 22, 2014 at 10:08 pm

sorry,comment no. in refernce is 237.
Regret slip.

243 Arunkumar Deshmukh December 22, 2014 at 10:35 pm

Hans ji,

I found an extract from a book…
It was in an article by Arup Rai,on RMIM dated 7-12-95

“Regarding Saraswati Devi, she may have lost the first-female-Hindi-MD
title. Jaddan Bai (actress, singer, director and composer) gets that spot.
I forget the names of movies, but they would just have to be productions like
TALAASH-E-HAQ. These were also movies where the good mother was promoting her
own daughter, Baby Fatima Abdul Rashid. There were a few movies in this
period by Jaddan Bai. Another piece of mindless trivia. Jaddan Bai married
Uttamchand Mohanchand, a Bombay businessman who also decided to go by the name
Abdul Rashid. It is not surprising that his only daughter also had two names
(Fatima Rashid and Tejeshwari Mohan(chand)). The name that really stuck was
Nargis, a 6-letter N_ label that Mehboob Khan deemed auspicious for his
leading ladies. Mehboob applied this belief a second time when he
rechristened Farhaat Ezekiel as Nadira.

Enough of that distraction. Author and newsman T.J.S. George does a grand
job of describing THE LIFE AND TIMES OF NARGIS. I strongly recommend the
book. ”

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244 ksbhatia December 23, 2014 at 12:18 am

Hans’ji ; Thanks for the information and uploading of some balraj sahni and Ashok kumar songs . I think both the actors got some songs which were picturised as background songs and they rarely sang as forefront . As you said the subject is very interesting and pandora on the same is open for every one to contribute. For Balraj sahni I can easily quote his famous songs [ In background and as screen singer ]…..1 . Chal udhja re panchi. 2 . Waqt se din aur raat 3. Oh meri zohra zami.4. Manjil wohi hai pyar ki rahi badal gaye 5. The first line of Main tumehee se pucchti hun [ Black Cat song, 4.0 version ] . 6 Babul ki duwain lahti ja . For Ashok kumar : 1. Ulajh gaye do naina dekho [ Hemant Lata duet from Ek saal 2. Hamara naam bhi likh lo mohbat karne walon main [ Deedar] 3. Apna hai phir bhi apna [Bhai Bhai] 4. Sharabi ja ja ja [ sang one line ; Bhai Bhai ] .4. Chupa loon dil main yun pyar mera [ Mamta] 5. Dil dhund ta hai sahare sahare . ……… Rest of the songs later on .

245 Hans December 24, 2014 at 2:02 am

AK,
Here is the link to the interview of KK with Lata.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49_XWga_O1k

People can draw their own conclusions after watching the interview. KK is clearly blaming Ashok for many things and that too without context. He is clearly ridiculing Ashok’s singing. I dont know where Ashok mocked his own singing ability. But, even if he did that KK had no business to ridicule him in public and nowhere he says he was doing that in fun. If some elder of my family mentioned his habits in fun, that does not give me the right to make fun of him in public.

I myself listened to a program in which Anoop Kumar mentioned how Ashok employed teachers to teach them singing and how he made efforts to improve their lives. Anoop gave a lot of credit to Ashok for their success.

KK says Ashok discouraged him singing and says Khem Chand Prakash and SDB gave him encouragement. But, who recommended KK to both of them. Though this is the video clip which nobody can deny, this is not the first time KK had made such remarks about Ashok. I have heard KK fans talk about Ashok in very derogatory terms for all the ills of KK career citing KK’s own quotes.

On the other hand Ashok has always spoken highly of KK’s singing abilities in public. If he was critical of KK privately, as an elder, to improve him can this be called discouragement.

246 Hans December 24, 2014 at 2:35 am

Arunji,
Thanks for the prompt response. I am sure you will be able to solve the riddle. I have seen your striving for the authenticity in the case of solving the C. Arjun/Arjun tangle. HFGK has given dates of censor certificates in only two vols (vol III and V), but Hamraazji may be having more details.

One has to be careful to believe what is written in books even. The extract given by you also points to that fact. The person concerned puts his own ideas to the credit of Mehboob Khan. He says Mehboob rechristened Nargis and Nadira because he thought six letter word to be lucky for his leading ladies. Mehboob Khan was an illiterate and even if he thought about a name he would think about it in his own language which was Urdu. But, this person has to fit his own theory in the name of Mehboob Khan. He should have known that he used a number of ladies who had neither names starting with ‘N’ nor their names had six letters with equal success.

There is another very common motivation to propagate some myths as truths at least in films. I call it ‘reverse loyalty syndrome’. For example if a person is fan of Lata, he would make extra efforts to denigerate the MDs or Singers or anybody else which Lata does not like and to praise those she likes. This syndrome has been active in many matters. I am not saying that it was the reason for Jaddanbai being declared the first female MD. But, it is quite possible that a person suffering from this syndrome would suppress the fact even if he knew about Ishrat Sultana.

Sorry for the lengthy note, but I believe in speaking my mind. And frankly, I am inspired by people like you, AK and Venkatramanji, who are putting so much effort for the sake of this site as well as bringing forth various facts about films and music. Due to this reason I also try to research whenever I find time for my own benefit and that of my fellow readers.

247 Hans December 24, 2014 at 2:59 am

Bhatiaji,
You have started listing songs of the two actors in earnest. But, it would perhaps be better if we leave out background songs, because they may be picturised on more than one person. I have an inkling that even after leaving out songs which Ashok himself sung he would win because of his long career and this may even be true if we take only songs after Balraj Sahni became active.

Here are two songs from Sangram (1950) in which music was given by C. Ramchandra.

Wo unka muskurana – Arun Kumar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEQF97_c72A
Ulfat ke jadoo ka dil men – Chitalkar, Lata
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhxk2YqtTUI

248 Hans December 24, 2014 at 3:13 am

And here is Balraj Sahni’s quota of two from film Jawab (1955) – music by Nashad..

So ja re mere rajdulare – singer Talat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbniWHuO1r8
Aaj gham kal khushi – singer Rafi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AJKKa8wTxE

249 ksbhatia December 24, 2014 at 11:53 pm

Hans’ji; You are right . I think we should leave out the background songs and take the entry year of Balraj sahni as the datum for onscreen songs . The radio days songs of Jawab and Sangram posted above are beautiful. Till I explore on related songs I have some thing for all of SOY family; a duet song of Ashok kumar and Mumtaj akhtar from Najma [1943] with music by Rafiq ” nazar kucchh aaj aaisa aa raha hai ” . The heroin in the movie is Veena ; the famous actress of the yester years .

250 Hans December 25, 2014 at 12:19 am

Strange. Birthday of the greatest playback singer and nobody remembers him among so many music lovers. Though he has been declared a peripheral singer to be considered among others by AK, for late 40s and early 50s, yet he sang more songs than all the famous golden era singers combined in the late 40s. He played his part in hits by Naushad, Husnlal-Bhagatram, Hansraj Behl, Shyam Sunder etc. in that period. I remember him with a less heard masterpiece from film Raat Ki Rani (1949), music by Hansraj Behl. The song is ‘jin raton men neend ud jati hai.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1tdu8BDdMo

There are two more songs he sang for occasional MDs.
Ae dil tujhi ko neend na aayi – Shahnaz (1948) – Amirbai Karnataki
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeuMzDJRjRA

Jab baithe-2 dil bhar aaye – Dak Bangla (1947) – Naresh Bhattacharya
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gCgWwxGNHI

251 Hans December 25, 2014 at 12:26 am

Bhatiaji,
Thanks for the appreciation and the beautiful song from Najma. Mumbaikar8 also considers Ashok Kumar’s singing in Najma great. In fact the whole score in that film is great and picturisation of the songs is also superb. AK considers ‘sajan ke naina jadu baan’ the best in the film and I agree too.

252 ksbhatia December 25, 2014 at 4:19 pm

Hans’ ji ; Thanks once again for the three lovely songs of Rafi sahib . The Shahnaz song is superb. As a tribute to this great soul I am recalling three of his filmi and non filmi songs and wish all of us listen to them . 1. Is dil se teri yaad bhulai nahi jaati yeh pyar ki daulat hai lutaai nahi jaati 2 . Bandagi mein mera…… Main na aachha hua bura na hua 3. Is dil ke tukre hazar huaye koi yahan gira koi wahan gira . Mohd rafi sahib is living in our hearts and there is not a single day we miss him . Today is another lovely day ; my family joins me in sending greetings to all of SOY family on the Xmas day . On a happy note let us play Rafi sahib song ” Akele akele kahan ja rahe ho hamehen saath lelo jahan ja rahe ho ” ….. from An evening in paris .

253 arvind December 25, 2014 at 5:02 pm

hansji,
bhatiaji,
sharing a rafi song from the movie sharabi (1964 )
(…mujhe le chalo aaj phir us gali mein….)

http://youtu.be/4lhJPvqXnFY

254 ksbhatia December 25, 2014 at 11:02 pm

Arvindji, Thanks for this vintage song which sweetly taste like vintage wine [ I am a teetotler]. Hearing after a long time . Goes with the likes of ” Jeneh naaj hind pe woh kahan hai ” and ” Mai yeh soach kar ” . All these shows the masterly control [ of Rafi sahib ] over the pathos and sadness hidden in the songs. As an example I am recalling his duet with Aasha ji ” Hum safar saath apna chhod chale ” from akhri dao which I think as ‘ one ‘among the best duets of Rafi/Aasha combo.

255 arvindersharma December 26, 2014 at 6:20 pm

With reference to Hans Ji’s comment (250), its really sad that we tend to forget the anniversaries of the greats ; composers, lyricists, singers and other contributors about whom we discuss and read everyday and their creations have become a part of our lives.
Therefore I took the help of the site, atulsongsaday, where I found a comprehensive list of birth and death anniversaries of film personalities.
A pleasant find was the acknowledgement to Arunkumar Deshmukh Ji, who is a major contributory to this list (No surprises here).
I request the readers to visit the site once in a while for updates.
Taking my cues from the list, I have firstly taken a song by Vintage era composer Gyan Dutt ;
Tum sang akhiyan mila ke Sunehre Din Md Gyan D…: http://youtu.be/a8a8vY0iwlo

The great composer and the man responsible for Lata Mangeshkar becoming a household name, Khemchandra Prakash ;
Ghataa Ghanaghor Ghor More Machaave Shore Khurshi…: http://youtu.be/wK4oF4ibssY

Pandit Husnlal of Husnlal Bhagatram ;
Music By Husnlal Bhagatram (Aansoo 1953): http://youtu.be/vmooeV2iNf0

Music director Vinod ;
Meri barbadiyon par muskurane aa gaya koi. Sabz B…: http://youtu.be/W5E0mh6D95M

The great Sitar maestro Pandit Ravishankar ;
Sanware Sanware – Lata Mangeshkar: http://youtu.be/M3Bk5lpSYis

Song from ‘Goonj Uthi Shehnai’, penned by Bharat Vyas, composed by Vasant Desai and sung by Mohammed Rafi (all have anniversaries in December),
Kehdo Koi Na Kare Yahan Pyaar – Rafi Saheb – Goon…: http://youtu.be/zlKfxVN3XdA

Malika e tarannum Noorjahan with her song with Mohammed Rafi from ‘Jugnu’.
Yahan Badla Wafa ka Bewafai – JUGNU 1947 Mohammad…: http://youtu.be/-fd6kEoCmgo

Finally, Naushad with his all time favorite Mohammed Rafi from ‘Jadoo’.
PYAR KE SAGAR SE NIKLIBY MOHD RAFI,LSHAKEEL,M DNA…: http://youtu.be/IkA2uYieBAU

256 Hans December 27, 2014 at 12:55 am

Arvind,
The song posted by you is wonderful. No music, just the enchanting voice of Rafi and one of the best compositions of Madan Mohan. Rajendra Krishan wrote the lyrics of some wonderful sharabi songs. This film has a lot of them. Perhaps 3 or more versions of ‘sawan ke mahine men’ ‘mujhe le chalo’ and ‘kabhi na kabhi’. This one is less talked about. Rajendra Krishan also penned ‘main kaun hoon – Main Chup Rahungi’ and ‘jitni likhi thi muqaddar men – Nai Roshni’. 1964 was perhaps the year of top sharabi songs. Leader gave us the famous ‘mujhe duniyawalo’. I am posting another sharabi song from 1964 film Dooj Ka Chand penned by Sahir and composed by Roshan. This song in my mind beats all.
Mehfil se uth jane walo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCGBaPTUmT8

Bhatiaji,
You might be a teetotaller, but you cannot escape from becoming a ‘sharabi’ when you listen to the intoxicating (not only sharabi songs) songs of Rafi, each of which is a bottle of wine. 1964 is a treasure trove of Rafi songs. Earlier we discussed 1963 being the year of Ravi. The year 1964 belonged to Madan Mohan, 8 of whose films were released.

257 gaddeswarup December 27, 2014 at 6:08 am

I wonder if there is a feature to put ‘like’ for comments, it may be useful later when quickly browsing through comments; namely those with larger number of likes will get a quicker look. Just a thought.

258 gaddeswarup December 27, 2014 at 6:12 am
259 AK December 27, 2014 at 7:46 pm

Gaddeswarupji,
‘Like’ a comment. There is a technical solution of linking the comments to Facebook (SoY is already on Facebook). But SoY readers would generally not go through FB, but reach SoY directly. It might also dilute its quality. Therefore, I am not making any changes.

You have linked a very interesting sight. Thanks a lot.

260 Hans December 27, 2014 at 9:03 pm

Recently I found a version of ‘jhumka gira re’ by Miss Dulari which I have posted on the article on ‘Jhumka gira re’. I was tempted to make some research in this regard and found Miss Dulari is described as a singer from 30s and 40s. I found this ghazal sung by her. There are some of her ghazals and songs on youtube including a panjabi song. I am posting the link to this ghazal.

Tere ishq ka jisko azaar hoga, wo achha hi kya khak beemar hoga
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9rBya1yrsw

I found another ghazal by her ‘ya ilahi mit na jaye darde dil’. On listening this I immediately remembered Mehmood singing this a few times in Kashmiri accent ‘ya ilahi mit na jandi dadre dil’ in film Arzoo – 1965. Here is the link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhMrriPV43Y

The natural query in my mind was whether she acted and sang in films. I looked for the initial lines of these ghazals in HFGK. I found the first ghazal’s lyrics in 1934 film Anokhi Mohabbat, but Miss Dulari’s name was not there in the list of actors. Nor there are any details regarding songs and singers. The second ghazal’s lyrics were found in the film Billi (1938). But, neither her name was there and the singers of that were others and the lyrics of this song were different after the word darde dil. Pyarelal Santoshi, the lyricist of that film perhaps used the first line of some traditional ghazal sung by Miss Dulari.

But, I found Miss Dulari in the list of actors of some films. Her name is present in the list of actors in Kaala Nag (1934), but the details of singers is not available. Her name is there in Noor Mahal – also from the same year – and details of songs and singers are also available. She has sung 5 songs in that film but none of them was found on youtube.

I have also found a singer by name Ram Dulari in Abla (1941) and a few other films. But, this appears to be some different person.

Now over to Arunji for special comments and identification.

261 Hans December 27, 2014 at 10:46 pm

When I found the Miss Dulari song, I also found a Shamshad Begum version of Inhin logon ne which is also a folk song. The film is Himmat and MD Gobind Ram

Shamshad Begum version of Inhin logon ne 1941
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0QpprJJ1Ig

Shamshad version (Audio) – full song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noc6G2LgPWs

Gobind Ram also composed another version of this song picturised on Yakub for film Aabroo 1943

Yakub version from film Aabroo 1943
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn1C5qYLZrU

There is also part of the old version of Pakeejah picturised in 1956.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0DUX5ig3xY

262 Arunkumar Deshmukh December 28, 2014 at 10:53 am

Hans ji,

Ref your comment no. 261…

“Inhi logon ne” is a tradional song sung by many Indian and Pakistani singers over last 50 years or more.
Kindly visit the following Link,wherein Mr. Sadanand kamath ji has posted an article with lot of information on this song from film Himmat-1941. If you read the subsequent comments-including mine-you will get all possible information and also can see some more VDOs of this song posted by others.
http://atulsongaday.me/2012/07/25/inhi-logon-ne-le-leenha-dupatta-mora/

Now,about your comment no. 260.
Miss Dulari was a silent era singer actress.She started with film ‘ Poona Raided’ 1924,a Historical silent film made by Deccan pictures corpn.Bombay.It was directed by Bhargavram Varerkar (a popular Dramatist of Marathi-more famous as Mama Varerkar) and the cast was Kaiser,Dulari and Vishnupant Pagnis ( who became famous after doing the role of Tukaram in Prabhat’s Sant Tukaram-48 a dubbed film from original Marathi film made in the early 40s.). She did 12 silent films and entered Talkie films most reluctantly,as by that time she was established as a classical singer specialising in Ghazals and Thumris. After a few films,she gave up on acting and did only mehfils.
Actress Ramdulari was also a singer.She entered films with ‘Modern Lady’-1937 and did just 7 films,the last film being ‘Manchali’-1943.
Hope this information is useful to you.
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263 gaddeswarup December 28, 2014 at 2:18 pm

Somewhat vague query. I remember a song I heard in Bombay early 70’s from 78 RPM with a friend (who passed away in the nineties) who was visiting from Andhra. He was very fascinated by the song and I remember only one line from the song ‘chit chor kaha’. Does anybody remember any song with such a line.

264 AK December 28, 2014 at 7:51 pm

Gaddeswarupji,
Could it be O duniya ke rahnewale bata kahan gaya chitchor from Dil Ki Rani (1947), composed by SD Burman. This was sung by Raj Kapoor for himself, probably his only song in films.

265 gaddeswarup December 29, 2014 at 4:37 am

AKJi, The song is new to me but it is not the one though of similar vintage. I was too optimistic. But once before it worked. When I first arrived in Bombay in 1949, I enquired about a sonn which was haunting me for several years of which I remembered only one line. It was ‘jindagi denewale sun’. Thanks.

266 PRAVEEN December 29, 2014 at 3:02 pm

Dear AKji and others

Just dropped in to say that you all are doing stellar work. For a person brought up on a diet of old songs, this site is a lifeline. Great to see lots of my favourite songs listed here and being discussed. Even more thrilled to find new songs that I’ve never heard before. Keep up the good work, since I may not have much to contribute, will be a happy reader/ listener. Thanks

267 Arunkumar Deshmukh December 29, 2014 at 4:19 pm

AK ji,

Raj Kapoor also sang ‘ Piya milne naveli jaay re’ in film Jail Yatra-1947,under the baton of MD-Ninu Mujumdar.

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268 gaddeswarup December 29, 2014 at 6:18 pm

Oops. I first arrived in Bombay in 1964 not 1949. Always bad at checking. But it was memorable. It was raining. When I went to the hostel reserved for us ( it was originally for servants of people staying in the Taj), there were some workers living on the ground floor. They were playing on an old record player ‘ barsat mein hums mile tum’. One of my favourite songs.

269 AK December 29, 2014 at 6:34 pm

Praveen,
Welcome to SoY and thanks a lot for your compliments. Hope you keep engaged with SoY.

270 AK December 29, 2014 at 6:35 pm

Arunji,
Thanks a lot for your appreciation.

271 ksbhatia December 29, 2014 at 11:29 pm

SOY family; The year is slowly making way for the new year and hope fully we will have to add more chairs and benches for the new entrants in our nukkad/ adda . We hope to cross triple century [ 300 comments] . So listen to this beautiful number by Rafi sahib from the film ” Ek Saal ” ……. Kiske liyae ruka hai Kiske liye rukegaa Karna hai jo bhi karle Yeh waqt ja raha hai Yeh waqt ja raha hai …… Some one please upload this song for every one to enjoy both Rafi and Ravi’s creation of ‘time piece’ . My computer is malfunctioning on uploads .

272 ksbhatia December 30, 2014 at 12:04 am

Hans’ji ; Thanks for your comments@ 256 . I really see pink when I drink green tea . In ” Ram and Sham ” remember what happened to Dilip sahib when Waheeda ji offered nilgiri tea and the song that followed thereafter ‘ Main huan saaki tu hai sharabi sharaabi ” . This reminds me some of the beautiful songs from ” Main naashe mein hun ” ……..1.. Nazar nazar se ho rahi hai baat pyar ki ,2. Mujh ko yaro maaf karna main nashe main hun . 3 Sajan sang kahe naina lagaye . There was some good song …. Jhanak jhanak tori baaje payaliya …. filmed on Raaj Kumar in “Mere Hazoor ” . Actually sharabi songs in earlier films were picturised either in clubs or in kothas or in shacks [ Helen/ Jayshree T songs followed by fights] . Nothing to beat Kaala Pani ‘s kotha song ” Hum bahe khudi mein tum ko bhulate chaale gaye ” and the melancoly song from Guide ” Din dhal jaye”……..La 1942 m0vie Casablanca .

273 PRAVEEN December 30, 2014 at 8:23 pm

ksbhatia sir : It seems people get extra musical when singing under nasha. My favourite is ‘Mohabbat mein aisi kadam’ from Anarkali with the hiccups for kicks!!

274 ksbhatia December 30, 2014 at 11:42 pm

Praveen’ji ; ” Extra musical when singing under nasha ” ; Very true but not always; listen to Devdas soft song ” Mitwa nahin aye “- the song seems to have sung under the influence of nasha ;but not so. Similarly another song of Devdas ” Kise khabar thi ” again very soft song sang under the influence of nasha . These seems to be exceptions but most of the songs goes by your statement ;like ” Mujh ko yaro maaf karna main nashe main hun ” , ” Zindgi khawab hai ” , Ruk ja o jane wali ruk ja ” , ” Hai hai hai yeh nigahen kar de sharabi jise chahe ” etc.

275 arvind December 31, 2014 at 12:11 am

#256;#272
http://youtu.be/WMSHxAIippU
this kidar sharma penned song(1966), sung by mahesh chander, from the movie ….maikhana…. is about everything.maykhana;saki ;pyala;peenewala……
mahesh chander n his father master chander are well known for their sindhi songs.

http://youtu.be/e2rDaNq47a8
has mahesh chander singing for the movie: yeh to pathron ka shehar hai…………..
and this is rafi singing the same song…………..
http://youtu.be/EytZVCZO8VQ

276 ksbhatia December 31, 2014 at 12:15 am

AK’ji ; Ref comment@202 on honolulu song. I was remembering some old movies of the mid 50s which carried the title like Rangoon , Bangkok , Singapore, Baghdad ,China town etc . Shakti samant and Pacchhi , producer and brother of Om prakash, made Howrah bridge , a crime thriller , and had beautiful songs : Mera naam chin chin chuan , Dekh keh teri najar etc . As the movie was hit Pacchhi came up with another movie : hongkong which had almost similar songs [ O P NAYYAR] like 1 ” Hongkong china meena singapore udgai dil ki chhidiya phur ” 2 ” Dekhti hun jidhar tu hi tu hai udhar ” . The songs picturised on helen and Saroja devi created a little impact and was a box office disaster. I was wondering to know as to how the honolulu song of that era was influential and as contributer to the succses of the movie.

277 ksbhatia December 31, 2014 at 12:33 am

Arvind ji ; Thanks for the uploads , the songs by mahesh chander is not less than any other gazal singers. Rafi sahib of course is master in any field . And Usha khanna did gave her very best ; overall a very refined classic touch .

278 mumbaikar8 January 1, 2015 at 7:04 am

HAPPY NEW YEAR to one and all.

279 AK January 1, 2015 at 11:04 am

Mumbaikar8,
Thanks a lot and wishing you the same.

280 Hans January 1, 2015 at 11:19 pm

Wishing all SOY family a very happy new year.

281 AK January 1, 2015 at 11:45 pm

Hans,
Reciprocating the same.

282 ksbhatia January 9, 2015 at 11:57 pm

SOY family, Today is birthday of one among the great singers of bollywood that entered in the golden era and that is Mohinder kapoor . Having given so much and contributing his best to the bollywood MDs , he shall ever be remembered for his songs with Ravi , Madan mohan and others . I, being his regular listener , offer my fav to SOY family …..” Dhoonden tujko nain deewane aja aja re ”…….from ‘ jab yaad kiisi ki aati hai ‘ . With this yaad my best wishes to his family .

283 Hans January 10, 2015 at 1:34 am

Bhatiaji,
Thanks for reminding about Mahendra Kapoor. He and Ravi were both favourites of BR Chopra and that is the reason of their association, otherwise Ravi mostly used Rafi. Another film-maker who liked Kapoor was Manoj Kumar, though in the end he used Mukesh in the 70s till his death. Perhaps the MD who used him most was Kalyanji-Anandji who gave him more than 100 songs. OPN also used him quite a lot. Kapoor sang almost all types of songs efficiently. Since you mentioned Madan Mohan, I am posting a comical song from film Anpadh ‘sikandar ne porus se ki thi ladai’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0xBa8kr7TI

284 ksbhatia January 10, 2015 at 11:33 pm

Hans’ji; thanks for the comic uploads. Film Anpadh itself was very emotional and carried very beautiful gazals and sad songs . This song and Om prakash comedy worked as ‘ break in narration ‘ .

285 arvindersharma January 12, 2015 at 5:48 pm

AK Ji,
Two more songs, where one singer totally dominates.
First by Rafi and Lata from ‘Meena Bazaar’, music Husnlal Bhagatram, where Rafi is the main singer and lata hums along wordlessly.
Duniya hai barbad dil ki Meena Bazaar Md Husan…: http://youtu.be/MEq4YsSAaPs
The second is by Geeta Dutt and Rafi from ‘Shrimati 420’, music O P Naiyyar.
In this song, the chirpy Geeta Dutt sings the song with Rafi playing the secondary role, saying achha, wah wah etc.
Arvind Ji,
I too like the singing of Mahesh Chandler. Its a pity that such a velvety voice was not used to its full potential.

286 arvindersharma January 12, 2015 at 5:51 pm

I forgot to add the Geeta Dutt/Rafi song.
Here it is
Geeta Dutt, Mohd Rafi : Humko chhod ke kahan jaao…: http://youtu.be/9Ozmvi4S9r8

287 ksbhatia January 15, 2015 at 10:57 pm

Arvindersharma’ji , Fantastic songs and beautiful examples of ” Main singer singing along with other great singer – in a mini/ micro role .” Here is one more one repeated liner supportive role to the main singer song sung by Mohandra kapoor supported by Krishna kalle ” Mere sarkar meri ahoan ka asar dekh liya ” from Shikar .

288 Jignesh Kotadia January 16, 2015 at 1:21 pm

H@@@@@@@ppppppppy Birthday Nayyar saab

your immortal masterpieces do still mesmerize us

Haseeno tumhari jo pooja kare
Usi ko hi duniya me jannat mile
Na dekha ho jisne khuda ko kabhi
Khuda ki kasam wo tumhe dekh le
Tumhi se hai jannat tumhi se khuda
Namoona ho kudrat ki kaarigari ka

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1gku7SgGsQ

289 AK January 16, 2015 at 4:33 pm

I too pay my respects on OPN’s birth anniversary. Some of Rafi’s most iconic songs were composed by him.

290 ksbhatia January 16, 2015 at 5:11 pm

I offer my Sweet remembrance to the great melody maker on his birth anniversary . Looked very handsome even in his later years ; with ‘ hat on’ . Hats off to his contribution to the film industry . Only yesterday I was listening to Sheshadri’s instrumental [ piano acco.] tune of O P Nayyar’s first movie ‘Aasman ‘ [ ? ] song ” POM POM POM ” whose Piano accordion interlude piece was the signature tune for ‘ Binaca geet mala ‘ played some time during 1952- 1955 . Once again respectful remembrance to the singer star maker .

291 N.Venkataraman January 17, 2015 at 12:28 pm

Let me too pay my tributes to O P Nayyar on his birth anniversary. Aasman (1949) had some wonderful songs. I am posting the song mentioned by Bhatia’ji.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PovD-ZkFr7c

292 N.Venkataraman January 17, 2015 at 12:31 pm

Sorry, the year should be 1952 and not 1949.

293 ksbhatia January 18, 2015 at 12:10 am

SOY family ; Can someone tell me as to whether Dev anand ever acted in a movie with Naushad as its MD ? I faintly remember there was one but I have forgotten its name .

294 Hans January 18, 2015 at 1:48 am

Bhatiaji,
To my knowledge Naushad never composed for a film in which Dev Anand acted.

Jignesh, (ref your poetry in comment 288)
But, Pradeep Kumar here is telling us something different.
Haseenon se to bas sahab – Ustadon Ke Ustaad – MD Ravi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Js4Y1ZOYxoQ

But, you are right that this second avtar of duet king (first was CR) mesmerised us. He ruled the music world on the strength of his duets. As CR composed solos for Lata OPN composed solos for Asha. Rafi’s songs composed by him contained only about 23% solos. I am posting a Rafi solo which is otherwise known as a duet because a combo of this solo and part 2 of the song (a duet) was mostly played on radio.
Gareeb jaan ke from Chhoo Mantar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8uVLolFt2U

295 Jignesh Kotadia January 21, 2015 at 1:51 am

Hansji,
nice song
pradeep kumar chooses to stay away from beauty, mehmood opts to worship the beauty, shammi kapoor arrogantly teases the beauty ( haseen ho tum khuda nahi ho, tumhara sajda nahi karenge,,, badtameez,,,sj,,,1966) but Surendra knows the fact…no any man can rescue himself from the flames of beauty and ultimately his incineration is inevitable ( Shama dikhakar husn ke jalwe bana de jab diwana, jale na kyun parwana,,,,,,anokhi ada,,,naushad,,1948). 🙂

296 ksbhatia January 22, 2015 at 5:12 pm

Lately I was browsing thru songs which were dominated by Chorus [ a little heavy ]; with little support from the main singer and with theme as ‘Sipahi ‘ . I could find a few of them and wish to know more from our worthy SOY family members. The songs are : 1. Jane wale sipahi se poocho woh kahan ja raha hai [ Usne kaha tha ] . 2 Nacho gao nacho …….aya mangal tuhaar leke khushiyan hazar [ Amrapali ] . 3 . Vande matram [Anand maath ] 4 . Chale sipahi dhool uddate [ Rajhath] .

297 maheshmamadapur January 24, 2015 at 2:10 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swjYgE_k8Gs

Jhuke Jo Tere Naina…….. from Kangan 1971 under KA.

Mahendra Kapoor as main singer and Usha Khanna humming with no words. ( Quite a melodious song considering that it is from 70’s when lot of “noise” had crept in songs)

( I am not sure if anyone has posted this song earlier )

298 ksbhatia January 25, 2015 at 5:52 pm

Mahesh’ji; Reference to Usha khanna reminds me of her very beautiful and sweet song ” Dhire chalo more saiyan rahein pyar ki dil deewana ” by Lataji from Flat no 9 , a 1960 movie . Some of her tunes of 60’s and 70’s were very close to the likes of SJ and OP . Later on it were between the likes of KA and LP . The song ” Yeh teri sadgi yeh tera baank pun ” by Rafi sahib from ‘ Shabnam ‘ is quite close to SJ’s ” Meri mohabbat paak mohabbat aur jahan ki khaak mohabbat ” from April fool .

299 ksbhatia January 25, 2015 at 6:39 pm

Arvind ‘ji; The wording of the song vide comments @ 233 was truly changed as per censor’s observations . Similar treatment was given to two more songs from Dhool ka phool and Main suhagan hoon . The wording ” Mujhe loot lo mere paas aake ” were changed to ” Mujhe ko mujhi se chheen lo mere paas aake ” . The edited version is quite clear in YT video . In Main suhagan hoon the wording ‘Tan bhi tera man bhi tera’ from the song ” Tu shokh kali main mast pawan ” was removed in the happy version of the song though it was there in the 78 rpm record . There was one more song from ” Preet na jaane reet ” which I am not able to recall now ; will report later on .

300 arvind January 26, 2015 at 1:23 pm

Bhatiaji(#298)
http://youtu.be/SEKdN9sT45Q was composed by usha khanna for the 1974 movie…HAWAS (…’teri galiyon mein na rakhenge kadam’…)
while
http://youtu.be/2dr6EMtPQGY
, also by usha khanna,is from the movie DADA (1979).the song ‘..dil ke tude tukde kar ke..’ won YESUDAS the FILMFARE award for playback singing.

301 Siddharth January 29, 2015 at 9:48 am

Bhatiaji,
Here is the link where Usha Khanna ji talks about her inspiration (check the audio at 1:46:00 onwards) –
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ubfPOLheK4&hd=1

302 ksbhatia January 29, 2015 at 5:10 pm

Sidharthji; Thank you very much for the link on Usha khanna’s interview. I am glad as Usha’ji herself have confirmed my views of her following on the foot steps of SJ. Even KA also confirmed in one of their rightup/interview that producers used to insiste to give music of the like of SJ . Thanks once again.

303 ksbhatia January 29, 2015 at 11:32 pm

SOY family ; Can someone help me in finding songs and other details of the movie of 60’s ” Flight to Assam ” starring Ranjan, Sunder, Maruuti etc. I think the movie was produced by Naresh kumar [ Rajendra kumar’s brother ] but I am not too sure. The heroine probably was Nishi ; again I am not sure .

304 ksbhatia February 2, 2015 at 11:50 pm

Congratulation to Kamini kaushal ‘ji for the Filmfare ‘s Life time achievment award . Known for her superb acting skills in the movies of the late 40s with Dilip kumar , Ashok kumar and later with Shakher in mid 5os . Her most memorable serious and happy go lucky roles were in Nadiya ke paar , Shaheed, Night club, Khazanchi etc . Later on she switched to side roles and appeared again in Manoj’s Shaheed as his mother . I am recalling some of her songs which I liked during my childhood / younger days……. 1 . Aaja bedardi balma koi ro ro pukare , 2. Badnam na hojaye mohabat ka fasana , 3. Talam tol kare rahe pare pare . Once again congratulation to her from the SOY family on this achivement .

305 AK February 3, 2015 at 7:14 am

I too join in conveying my congratulations. Not many leading ladies could make the transition to mother role convincingly.

306 gaddeswarup February 21, 2015 at 3:38 pm

Towards the end, there seems to be a third voice in this song. Whose is it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PC8nf0_jPKw

307 AK February 21, 2015 at 4:35 pm

Gaddeswarupji,
Very nice song. The third voice sounds as Mukesh to me.

308 maheshmamadapur February 21, 2015 at 5:15 pm

AK ji,
There is no record or reference anywhere of Mukesh singing in the debut film of his classmate Roshan. The association started only with the second film of Roshan “Baware Nain.”

Coming to the audio, the famous nasal effect of Mukesh is clearly missing. I don’t think its Mukesh.

309 Hans February 22, 2015 at 1:53 am

Gaddeswarupji’s posers are really great. In this I think both AK and Mahesh are correct. My comment may sound crazy. But, AK is right because the tonal quality of the third voice matches that of Mukesh and Mahesh is also right because there is something missing. I would say that Mahesh’s logic that there is no mention about Mukesh singing in the first film or the absence of famed nasal effect do not clinch the case, because in the early period in some Mukesh songs no such effect is discernible.

My view is that Roshan himself has sung the end lines. Very few people know that Roshan sang in one film Maaldar (1951), the music for which was composed by Satish Bhatia. Roshan sang one solo and three duets with Usha Bhatia. Links for two of the duets are available on youtube. Here they are:

Rota hai mera dil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6_R9OGt5uE

Aji hamari pehli mulaqat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6-I9t6E7zk

The voice in these songs and particularly in the first one matches that of Mukesh and it is quite possible that Roshan was the third singer. It is also logical because nobody would call a singer for one or two lines.

In the end I would thank Gaddeswarupji for posting the song from
Neki aur Badi, which is composed by Roshan in Punjabi Tappa style. This also shows that Roshan was well aware of the Panjabi style from the start. Some people think he copied OPN in ‘khanke to khanke’, which is not true. There is another duet in this film by Rajkumari and Asha ‘ram duhai hai’ in which Asha’s part is sung in English and there is subtle change in the music for both parts of the duet. Roshan was a real class by himself and that he showed even in his first film.

The lyrics of the song posted by Gaddeswarupji are also very funny. They show that lyricists like Kedar Sharma were sons of the soil in real terms. Amirbai asks ‘kyunji scent lagaya hai’ and the reply comes ‘tumko bula laye isko samjhaya hai’. Here he treats ‘scent’ as a messenger. There is another line ‘maine nathni daali hai, tumko nathne ki tarkeeb nikali hai’ which is a so meaningful with country wit in it and is a counter to the first two lines. Kindly let me know if the link between nathni and nathne is not understood and I would explain in the next post.

310 gaddeswarup February 22, 2015 at 4:13 am

HansJi, many thanks for the comprehensive reply. I wondered whether that part was by Roshan since I read somewhere that he was a singer too. I wonder whether somebody can post the meaning of the lyrics. I find the song fascinating and listen to it off and on.

311 gaddeswarup February 22, 2015 at 6:52 am

There is a post by Shri Arunkumar Deshmukh which disagrees with some of the information about singer Roshan above http://www.anmolfankaar.com/features/blog/321-same-name-confusions-part-3.html

312 AK February 22, 2015 at 7:55 pm

Gaddeswarupji, Mahesh, Hans
I should thank Gaddeswarupji again for this wonderful song and posing the question about the third singer, which has led us to some interesting exploration. This has raised more questions than it has answered. I must add my thoughts for the erudite listeners.

1. Besides everything that Hans has said about Kyunji scent lagaya hai, which I endorse, to me the most noticeable part was how Amribai Karnataki stays on in the lower scale, and Feroze Dastur takes off in upper octave by repeating her last hai at the end of a line. The two singers remain in different saptaks. This is beautiful. Feroze Dastur was a trained classical singer of Kirana Gharana.

2. As for the third voice in the song, while this has some resemblance to Mukesh’s tonal quality, I am quite definite that the two songs linked by Hans form Maaldaar have no resemblance to Mukesh. If I have to stretch to find similarity with a well-known singer’s voice, these bear some similarity to early Kishore Kumar in Ziddi (1948) and Rimjhim (1949), both composed by Khemchand Prakash.

3. Presuming it is by ‘Roshan’ as credited, we come back to Arunji’s article at Anmol Fankaar suggesting that it is different from the famous music director Roshan. I submit the ‘evidence’ he has given, i.e, the letter of Giridharilal Vishwakarma referring to his conversation with Usha Bhatia, does not prove the conclusion he has drawn. Usha Bhatia was only recalling (after over 50/60 years?) that Roshan was with them at AIR Delhi. It is also known that the legendary Roshan was also working at AIR Delhi late 40s before he moved to Bombay. It is possible songs for a 1951 film could have been made a couple of years before. Nowhere she says there were two Roshans, and the one who sang with her was different from the famous Roshan. I am not an authority to say definitely either way, I was pointing to the foundation on which Arunji has based his conclusion. I hope he visits us.

313 gaddeswarup February 23, 2015 at 4:19 am

AK Ji,
Your point 3 is exactly what I have been thinking about the issue.
Through by casual browsing of YouTube, I come across these songs some which fascinate me since they seem unusual. Even though I do not understanding the lyrics, I keep listening to them. Here are some more which may be better known.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qglcAY9j7M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9FRMg4x6tI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfRzQZjNOcw

314 Hans February 24, 2015 at 12:11 am

AK,
I was thinking on the same lines as you in point 3. The proof is not conclusive about the singer, though a valid doubt has risen after seeing Arunji’s post. About the voice tone of the singer in Maaldar, I can only say that the voice of less-heard singers appears different when they modulate as per the tune as against well known singers details of whose voice tone get embedded in our memory.

Gaddeswarupji,
The meaning of the lyrics has been given in the article on the song in Atul’s blog. Sudhirji have understood the lyrics correctly. I will also post my view detailed view on this soon.

315 gaddeswarup February 24, 2015 at 5:08 am

HANS ji, THANKS. that is where I first heard the song, I think. Unusual lyrics too.

316 ksbhatia March 4, 2015 at 11:56 pm

Sand, Camel, Alwida, Ruksat……..; Sand is a measure of time and camel walk indicate the slow beats conveying the sadness and slow pace of life . There is a treasure of so many beautiful sad and happy songs [ based on slow camel beats] in the vintage and golden period hindi movies which needs to be explored and compiled . I invite SOY family to contribute their treasure into this box for every one to cherish the melody they carried for so many years . As a starter I wish to contribute some of my fav . such as ……. 1. Alwida jaan e wafa tera nigahe baan khuda – Asha ji [Lala Rukh] 2. Gujra hua zamaana – Lata ji [ Shrin farhad] 3 Chaldiya carvan – Talat [Laila majnu]. 4.Majandaran majandaran, mere watan – Talat [ Rustam sohrab]. 5. Aasman wale teri duniya se ji – talat – lata [ Laila majnu ]. 6. Suna suna hai jahan – Lata [ Aurat]. 7 . Yeh kaisi ajab dastaan ho gayi hai – Suraiya [ Rustam sohrab ]. 8. Aa aja o jane wafa – Lata- hemant [ Shireen farhad] .9. Barbaad e mohabbat ki duaa saath liye ja – Rafi [ Laila majnu – rishi kapoor’s]. 10. Phir tumahri yaad ayee aye sanam – Rafi , manna dey, Sajaad hussain etc [ Rustam sohrab ]……… and so many others. Listener must note that all these melodies have Arabian and Persian touch.

317 Nasreen March 6, 2015 at 12:46 pm

Re your latest article on Holi songs, thanks for these beautiful songs, each one is a gem of its own kind.

There is one from “Phagun” which seems never to be included in any holi program. “Piya sang khelo holi phagun aayo re”. The film Phagun with Waheeda & Dharmendra was a very 70’s type story (why not, it was made in 1973). But somehow makes me nostalgic for the days of yore.

Keep doing the great work you do. Thank You.

Nasreen

318 AK March 6, 2015 at 3:27 pm

Nasreen,
Welcome to SoY and thanks a lot for your appreciation. Piya sang khelun Holi phagun ayo re is a very nice song. But I wanted to include the semi-classical pieces, and some very old film songs.

319 mumbaikar8 March 17, 2015 at 10:56 pm

AK,
Remembering Ghulam Mohamed on his death anniversary with two rare song
Lata in Hoor E Arb. Difficult to believe MD is not Naushad?
Sounds like Bachcan zara yeh zaman hai bura?
Asha and Rafi in Hazar Ratein.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmY1fdSwT1E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGTyHr6Yorw

320 AK March 18, 2015 at 5:33 am

Mumbaikar8,
The second link seems to be of a different song.

There is indeed some similarity. Another discovery to your credit. Hope you are keeping your scores.

Ghulam Mohammad has given such outstanding music independently, though he may not have got big commercial success, that it would be unfair to treat him as as Naushad’s understudy.

321 mumbaikar8 March 18, 2015 at 5:24 pm

AK,
The second link seems fine, its starts after .05 sec.
Once again I have expressed myself incorrectly, ( de mujhko zaban aur:)
I was not treating him as Naushad’s understudy, in fact I meant that this was GM signature music, he was the source of these types of songs when he assisted Naushad.
I feel, that at times, the assistant directors do more than they are credited for.

322 Hans March 18, 2015 at 10:52 pm

Mumbaikar8,
You have floated a good idea. Let us give credit for all the music of CR to Chic Chocolate, for Anil Biswas to Ram Singh, for SDB to N Datta and Jaidev etc.etc.

But you have forgotten to give credit to BD Barve for Hazar Raten and to Ibrahim for Hoor-e-Arab.

323 gaddeswarup March 19, 2015 at 6:49 am

Probably well-known but new to me. All the songs from Darogaji I found were sun by Geeta Dutt, except for a mall voice in one for about 20 seconds. Did Geeta Dutt sing all the songs in Darogaji 1949?

324 mumbaikar8 March 19, 2015 at 6:53 am

Hans,
I will start with this sher “Bebasi JurM Hai, Hosla JurM Hai, Zindagi Teri Har Ek Ada JurM Hai”
Let us start with the particular Hoor e Arab song, when I heard this song I assumed it to be Naushad’s , but it was not.
When I uploaded this song, I honestly wrote what I had felt, but AK thought I was undermining Ghulam Mohammed which I was not, that made me think. I came to the conclusion that possibly Ghulam Mohammed helped him with these type of songs. The Ustad himself had such high opinion for his assistant.
http://kamalp.blogspot.com/2012/12/ghulam-mohammad-in-naushads-words.html#!/2012/12/ghulam-mohammad-in-naushads-words.html
When I say something it is my opinion, it is no patthar ki lakeer I am always open for discussions and suggestions, in fact if someone agrees with me I wonder “Jin baton ko khud nahin samjhe auron ko samjahaya hai”
Now talking about assistant MDs not getting credit, I have always questioned Jaidev’s contribution to SDB particularly after Hum Dono and Mujhe Jeene Do. I cannot think of N. Dutta’s contribution to SDB because his music had Ravi’s flavor.
You know how much I like SDB. I am not discrediting MDs it is to their credit that they pick such talent.
Other assistants whom I think have made great contribution their masters are Dattaram for SJ and LP for KA.
I cannot give any credit B D Barve or Ibrahim because I have not heard their independent work.

325 mumbaikar8 March 19, 2015 at 7:00 am

Please read wondered in place of questioned:)

326 Hans March 20, 2015 at 1:21 am

Mumbaikar8,
I was jesting. But, I see you have a good collection of shers and phrases to fit each occasion. I know your opinions and relation of facts is always honest and we meet on common ground on many points. But, we can be guided by dishonest opinions treating them as truth. MDs are also common people like us and learn from various sources. Naushad might have benefitted from the advice of GM as well as others and also GM might have also benefitted from his long association with Naushad and I am talking about music, because he benefitted immensely in the matter of getting films with Naushad’s help. I am yet to find a person who gives credit to Naushad for GM’s music. Look at the following two songs:

Khel nahin gir gir ke sambhalna – Doli (1947) – Ghulam Mohammad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4qtpDXF3v0
Udan khatole pe ud jaun – Anmol Ghadi (1946) – Naushad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mfd3makK-A

You can argue on behalf of both for the similarities in tune. You can see the refinement in the tune of Naushad and you can also see that GM selected a wrong tune for the lyrics. Naushad hardly made such mistakes. That makes a lot of difference whether you succeed or fail.

Thanks for the link. I found many knew facts. But, such tributes everybody makes and I believe they were honest to a large extent. But, that does not mean the credit for Naushad’s music should be given to GM. There were other assistants also who worked with Naushad.

You said you have no samples of independent work of Ibrahim and Barve. If we believe in the theory which we are discussing, we can hardly claim any song as independent, because the assistant would always spoil the party. I have not found any film with Barve’s work but Ibrahim set the tune to 4 songs in the 1951 film Actor in association with the other MD Aziz Hindi. One song is given below:
Dil tere hizr men beemar hai – GM Durraani
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9E6Y5B1958
This was the film in which Meena Kapoor sang a parody of her own song from Ankhen ‘mori atariya pe bulbul bole’ replacing ‘kaga’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh1h3R91-Lk

Regarding SDB you know N Datta was from Goa and he assisted SDB in Jaal – all songs of which had influence of Goanese music. There are so many other insatances of these and other MDs.

327 Hans March 21, 2015 at 11:34 pm

In continuation of Mumbaikar8’s similar tune post 319 and AK’s post regarding similar tunes and similar lyrics on Naushad/CR/Amirbai article, I am posting two pairs of songs which fall in this category. First there are two songs based on a traditional aarti tune. The first one is perhaps a traditional aarti itself, though in the movie it is credited to Bharat Vyas. May be he wrote it and it became so famous that it acquired the status of traditional aarti, because we dont find old recordings of this aarti or maybe it was there with some different antara. But, the tune perhaps existed because this tune was used by Hans Raj Behl in 1951 film Nakhre also. I am giving links to both the songs.
Ambe tu hai jagdmbe kali – Naratri (1955) – Rafi/Asha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4gcxzC05-E
Koi dil na kisi se lagaye – Nakhre(1951) – Geeta Dutt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuWozx-m4pg

The second song also has similar tune and uses the first line of mukhda with slight modification.
Agar dil kisi par lutaya na hota – Gauna(1950) – Lata
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coBCKH7oBiw
Agar dil kisi se lagaya na hota – Bada Aadmi(1961) – Rafi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mylpUQI7_oo

328 Vandana March 31, 2015 at 4:17 am

Very interesting! How about a list of songs with multiple versions like Dil e nadan? Sung by talat mehmood, suraiya, abida parveen , jagjit singh and ayushmaan khurana? Or patta patta buta buta by mohd rafi and mehdi hasan?
Thanks

329 AK March 31, 2015 at 4:24 pm

Vandana,
Welcome to Songs of Yore and thanks a lot for your appreciation. I do not know whether you have browsed through ‘Multiple Version Songs’ on SoY, which has now 20 posts. Already this theme has been covered under various parameters in great detail. There has to be something more interesting than just similarity of the first lines. If something interesting comes up, which has not been covered yet, I am sure our indefatigable researcher Ashokji would be writing on it.

330 gaddeswarup April 4, 2015 at 3:45 am

I am having a discussion with Richard singer about the person in the song ‘Aag – Raat Ko Jee Chamke Taare – Mukesh – Shamshad Begham’. Richard thinks that he is Raj Kapoor and I do not think so. In the following video, a friend of his appears who looks a bit like Raj Kapoor (he appears in the next part too after the song). I think that it him because his moustache. Can somebody comment? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxQBs8OdXbw

331 gaddeswarup April 4, 2015 at 5:43 am

Pendyala Nageswara Rao I was a famous MD in Telugu films with many original tunes. It seems that he provide music in a couple of dubbed films. The songs do not sound that great with too much Telugu influence. I found a couple, one from Bhagwan Balaji and another from Chakravarti Vikramaditya, both from early sixties. Does anybody know where the other songs are available. His name was spelt P.Nageshwar Rao. Here is one of the songs http://youtu.be/7Z4HzjATW7A

332 Hans April 4, 2015 at 4:59 pm

Gaddeswarupji,
The actor in ‘raat ko jee chamke tare’ is Vishwa Mehra, who was the maternal uncle of Raj Kapoor. His identification can be confirmed from the film Char Dil Char Rahen (1959). Titles of the film show the names of Actors and the characters played by them. Vishwa Mehra played small roles in films, mostly those films in which someone from Kapoor family was in the lead role. He perhaps also played a hand in some way in production of the RK films. Details must be known to Arunji.

333 AK April 4, 2015 at 10:46 pm

Gaddeswarupji,
Extremely beautiful song. Thanks for introducing me to it. One reason is my favourite Raga Bhimpalasi (experts to confirm).

334 Hans April 4, 2015 at 11:48 pm

Gaddeswarupji,
There are two more songs from Chakravarty Vikramaditya on youtube.

O chanda re door na ja re – Suman, Rafi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdWUlLb2yEs
Door huyi deepak se baati – Rafi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFvxd-vmqgY

335 gaddeswarup April 5, 2015 at 2:58 am

AKji, On trips to India, I usually collect film song cassettes and books on music. That song was on one of those cassettes and I was bowled over. Then I could not find it for a few years and later found it on YouTube. I do not know whether the video really adds to the charm of the song. One of the books I found that immensely liked was ‘Raga&Josh’ by Sheila Dhar.
Hansji,many thanks for the information.

336 mumbaikar8 April 11, 2015 at 8:00 pm

Tribute to K. L Saigal on his 111th birth anniversary.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe7O6JmWfJc

337 AK April 11, 2015 at 10:04 pm

Mumbaikar8,
I add my tributes to the greatest actor-singer of our films.

338 Hans April 11, 2015 at 11:14 pm

I am very fond of this non-film ghazal by Akbar Allahabadi ‘duniya men hoon duniya ka talabgar nahin hoon’ for its lyrics and the singing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOrqzg6Ve6M

339 ksbhatia April 18, 2015 at 12:30 am

While looking for good, but not so popular, songs I came across such song by Lata ji ‘ Maane na maane na balam pardesiya ‘ from ‘ Jagir’ with music by Madan mohan. The song is beautiful and testifies the magic touch of Lata / MM combo .

340 Hans April 18, 2015 at 1:14 am

Bhatiaji,
Were you looking only for Lata songs. If you had also looked for Asha in the same film you would have got a mujra by Sheela Vaz in bonus. Here is the Asha song ‘wafaon ke badle jafa kar rahe hain’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbxfIiMoH6M

341 gaddeswarup April 20, 2015 at 4:35 am
342 AK April 20, 2015 at 9:52 am

Gaddeswarupji,
I am by now very familiar with the name of Giridharilal Vishwakarma, thanks to Arunji and Sudhir Kapurji. It would be very exciting if he digitises everything that is said to be there in his collection. On the classical side Vikram Smapat (the biographer of Gauhar Jan) has undertaken a more difficult and dispersed project.

343 mumbaikar8 April 21, 2015 at 1:53 am

Bhatiaji,
I am hijacking your Usha Khanna Shanker Jaikishen discussion back to open house.
Here I have three songs of Usha Khanna Madan Mohan and Shanker Jaikishen, all inspired by rock n roll.
Just see how similar they are, you can start singing with first and unintentionally move over to second and third.

Lets us start with Shankar Jaikishen in EK phool char kante,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkW8kJpYp98

Madan Mohan in Baap bete,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LY5_CXFpVlI

and finally Usha Khanna in dil deke dekho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xvfzi_J6FNw

344 gaddeswarup April 21, 2015 at 7:02 am

Interesting paper. May be there is more literature on the topic. “Shri 420 is an unusual melodrama in the way it directly thematizes upon the
aspects of capital regulation that underpin the production context of
melodrama in post-War Bombay. I want to use the film to explore the career
of what I shall call indigenous capital.” says Ashish Rajadhyaksha in
http://www.jmionline.org/…/the_curious_case_of_bombays_hind…

345 ksbhatia April 21, 2015 at 10:58 pm

Mumbaiker8; @ 343, Amazing! All three in the same musical mode . And all based on the 1957 hit ” Please stand by me diana ” by Paul anka ! The three movies were made between 1959 – 61 when the music as well as fashion were in the changing mode from classic to modern .During this period Rock and roll was becoming popular ; which again was a change from classy of Gene Keley to Elves Presley in Holliwood and from Raj kapoor of Anari to Shammi kapoor of Dil Deke Dekho . SJ followed this trend and came up with good numbers like …. ‘ Jan pehchan ho jeena aasan ho ‘ from Gumnam , ‘ Dekho ab to kis ko nahin hai khabar’ from Janwar . In between SJ gave some good instrumental numbers as club background music also . Incedently the club music piece of ‘ Love Marriage’ is almost same as that of Gumnam’s club music . Recalling Rock and roll there is one good number by Rafi ‘Lal lal gaal jaan pe hai babu’ from Mr X with music by N Dutta . I faintly remember one more ‘ Taalam tole kare ‘ with Kaamini kaushal dancing in the movie [ ?] with music by Madan mohan . After rock ‘n’ roll vanishing SJ built songs from their fav beats i.e. Waltz . I will change over to this subject ‘as times goes by’ .

346 ksbhatia April 21, 2015 at 11:29 pm

Hans ji; #340, You have very coolly passed on a mujra dance number shaking my memories of the 50s when Sheela vaz was practically ruling the most of the dance numbers ; be it duets or chorus; fore front or in the back row . As a counter I am giving you double bonus with Yester years beautiful Shyama and Sheela vaz dancing in western outfits in the duet song number by Geeta- Aasha ‘ Thandi thandi hawa puchhe huska patta ‘ from Johny walker with lilting music by O P Nayyar . Note the excellent violin- Acordeone combo musical treat . Shyama is looking gorgeous and very well looks like Holliwood singing star of the 50s — Patti Page …. Why not listen to her song on YT titled ‘ The Tennessee Waltz ‘. Sorry I am unable to down load all these songs as my computer has not been set for that .

347 Satish April 28, 2015 at 10:43 pm

Dear AK ji, Subhodh ji, In the list of forgotten composers, would request you to include 1 talented but under-rated composer Sajjad Hussein, who composed some of rare/unusual and beautiful songs. Of course “Ye Hawa Ye Raat Ye Chandni” by Talat mohd is 1 of them, but another one, my Favourite is “Kaali Kaali Raat Ye Bada Sataaye from Sainyan in 1951”. He was also an excellent Mandolin player ..pls refer “www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtkHzdEgIyM”

348 AK April 29, 2015 at 9:15 am

Satish,
If you look at my list of ‘Forgotten Composers’ on the sidebar at the left, they are a very specific category, who were active in 50s and 60s, and who gave some immensely popular and everlasting songs, and nothing much is known about them. Sajjad is a recognised genius, widely written about for his music and for his famous temper and ascerbic tongue. It will be demeaning to put him in 50s”Forgotten” category.

349 ksbhatia April 29, 2015 at 11:30 pm

Satish’ji; Forgotten songs of the forgotten composers are the real gems hidden and well protected in AK’ji s treasured informative articles as indicated on the side bar. Go thru each, one by one and enjoy the richness of the great melodies of the for gotten era . Just now I was listening to Geeta dutt’s old melodious song from 1958 film Savera ‘ Maane na maane na maane na , tere bin mora jiya na maane ‘ with music by forgotten MD Sailesh . I am in a mode of finding more .

Listening to such songs in the evening or night is like prelude to a good night sleep . Remembering them is like giving respect to them .

350 Hans April 30, 2015 at 12:29 am

Bhatiaji, (346)
You are right. Sheela Vaz though plump, always illuminated the screen.

The method of providing links of the songs here is 1)take the mouse pointer on the song link 2)right click on the link 3)select copy link location from various options 4)take the mouse to where you want the link 5)right click and then left click on the option of paste. The link will be pasted.

351 gaddeswarup April 30, 2015 at 4:03 am

I received ‘Encyclopedia of Telugu Cinema (1932-2000)’ by Dr. Vutukuri Venkata Satyanarayana. It was completed by him recently and not yet published. He kindly said that I can forward it to my friends. If anybody is interested, please let me know at anandaswarupg@gmail.com I already forwarded a the pdf file to Shri Arunkumar Deshmukh

352 mumbaikar8 April 30, 2015 at 7:29 pm

Bhatiaji,

I would like to share my prelude to goodnight sleep with you.
Phali hui hai sapnon ki bhane from House No. 44

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lxf-n4eMkHw

And also my morning alarm ringtone
Jaag dile diwana from Oonche Log

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDOwVaY-9UM

353 ksbhatia May 1, 2015 at 12:12 am

Hans’ji , Thank you for the computer lesson . As a follow up I will try to send the song …… Maane na maane na maane na …..from Savera .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6y41qF3qU0

Hey I got it ! Thanks again. Another one for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6qpIY3x2LM

354 Hans May 1, 2015 at 12:26 am

Gaddeswarup ji,
Can you tell me what is the language of this book of Telugu Encyclopedia.

355 ksbhatia May 1, 2015 at 12:29 am

Mumbaikar8,

This has turned out to be a good subject . I think every SOY member must be listening to some good / happy song before retiring to a good sleep , be it night or during lunch or during mid day nap . It will be a good idea to share such songs on and off as the time suits .

As a starter I am posting a very beautiful song by Lata ji

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I40I7wRYOJo

Mumbaikar8, Your lata’s song is also one of my fav. song

356 Hans May 1, 2015 at 12:37 am

Mumbaikar8,
Do you wake up or sleep again when you listen ‘jaag dile deewana’. I just feel intoxicated when I listen this.

Bhatia ji,
I told you how to put up a link for the benefit of us readers, because you mention so many songs which we had to search on our own on youtube. Now our task would be easier. Thanks and congrats for the first links. I had listened the Johny Walker song a few times but never saw its video. I could not have visualised Sheela Vaz in the song. Sheela Vaz perhaps did not produce classical dances, but she tried different movements in her different dances.

357 gaddeswarup May 1, 2015 at 9:17 am

Hansji,
It is in English over 4800 pages. Vutukuri spent over twenty years doing it alone. Probably he had a boring job. He has a Ph.d. In physics I think but in countries like Australia it is not so easy for Indians to get good jobs. He retired early. Some Telugu people I sent have started taking interest. It is possible that there may be corrections because earlier he was doing it alone.

358 gaddeswarup May 1, 2015 at 9:21 am

From a comment on my wall, there is an annotated archive for Indian a Cinema. I saw Kalpana from this source which was very good. It may be well known to people here. https://indiancine.ma

359 arvindersharma May 1, 2015 at 10:01 am

My congratulations to Bhatia Ji for quickly absorbing Hans Ji’s tutorial.
May ka ‘Savera’ aur ‘thandi thandi hawa’.
Nice picks, Bhatia Ji.

360 arvind May 1, 2015 at 1:35 pm

remembering manna dey on on his b’day with :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmkHhmw8V5E
(a song from the moovie boot polish (with asha bhosle ).
and a non film song :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAjLUHuAkEY
(meri bhi ek mumtaz thi…)

361 mumbaikar8 May 1, 2015 at 6:39 pm

Hans,
I cannot snooze or dismiss Jaag dile diwana I continue listening , by the time the song is over I get intoxicated too! With positive energy and am up and ready for the day:)

Joining arvind in remembering Manna da on this day, have so many of his songs on my favourite list. What a singer!
Adding two more, one filmy and one non filmy
Har taraf ab yehi afsane hai Hindustan Ki Qasam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaIvy3KiQg4

sawan ki rimjhim me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGsgxFN5eYs

362 Hans May 1, 2015 at 9:22 pm

Here is a song from Manna Dey which was in his specialised field. HFGK gives MD as Ram Ganguly but youtube link says Shankar Rao Vyas. The tune was perhaps used later in some song which is not coming to mind.

Naina lage pee ki ore – Ram Darshan (1950)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5R0H5oCEGw

And another in the style of gurbani. Manna Dey also sang a lot of gurbani. Those interested can listen on youtube, but they will miss the panjabi touch.
Hum maile tum ujjal karte – Nanak Naam Jahaz Hai – S. Mohinder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWJzUsWsQMc

And to remember his contribution as MD one from Chamkee (1952)
Main to jangal ki chanchal hiraniya – Geeta Dutt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLsAdc4r3OY

363 arvindersharma May 1, 2015 at 10:13 pm

Hans Ji,
Please listen to this song from 1: 59 onwards. The mukhda of this song seems to me the one you were not able to recall.
The clipping is a bad audio, but it was the only I could find.
BADNAAM BASTI.mpg: https://youtu.be/49jgo9dcJHw

364 ksbhatia May 2, 2015 at 8:26 pm

Hans ‘ji ; Sheela vaaz may not be a good classical dancer of her times but she proved to be a great asset for the movies for a typical class of audience . Literally known as ‘ pehla pehla pyar’ and ‘ramaiya vastaaviya ‘ girl of her times , got faded away with the likes of Bela bose and others .

Two of her famous songs are

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFqGQ54WT9Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rW72kDrJvwA

365 ksbhatia May 2, 2015 at 9:28 pm

Arvind, Arvinder sharma and Hans ji[s] ;

Thanks for boosting my confidence . Remembring Manna Dey and finding so difficult to choose his best songs . Known for his excellence in romantic duets, sad , classical, comedy etc. I will post few of his solo and duet songs of my liking – as one of his best :
1 Jeevan se lambe hain bandooh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbhwaNm09oY

2 Tu pyar ka saagar hai
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3_0FC43Ub8

3 Nain mele chaain kahan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouIunVC5Gz8

4 Lapak jhapak tu aa re badarwa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDr9g_x2nYk

5 Chham chham lo suno chhum

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xINaQUN3tc

6 Kaal ka pahiya ghoome

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvstFnIufj4

7 Ketki ghulab

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcqmOaQSPDA

8 Sur na saje

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpVvfPKyjLM

9 Kaun aya mere maan ke dwaere

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_vcV7JGKpY

10 Puchho na kaise mainey raain beetaaiye

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=376w1QPz07w

There are so many songs which i think will be fav. of each and every SoY member.

366 ksbhatia May 2, 2015 at 11:09 pm

Ref# 355 My catch of the ‘ prelude ‘ to good night sleep ….

Man mohana bade jhoothe by Lataji from Seema

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXGMxTTB_Dg

367 Hans May 3, 2015 at 7:58 pm

Sharmaji,
The song posted by you (363) has the same tune from 1.59, but I have listened it for the first time. So there is some other song. Some day that would come to mind.

Bhatiaji,
Wah. Hum aapse choke chhake ki umeed kar rahe the par aapne to donon ko milakar pura dassa(10) maar diya.

368 ksbhatia May 3, 2015 at 11:44 pm

Hans’ji ; You have guessed it right ! During my school[ I am Butlarian ] and college days I used to be in Cricket Eleven and enjoyed playing cricket in the company of Test cricketers like Ramesh Saxena , Surendra and Mohinder amarnath, Parth shastri sharma [ of Rajasthan state] and others who made up to the state level player. I used to play as opener or one down and off and on bowled as medium pacer and some time as leg spinner .

So when one see a bouncer coming from my side , he must duck himself to save himself . Anyway that was a fun part , I am posting a song concerning cricket : Rafi and chorus from ‘ Love Marriage’
She ne khela he saye aaj cricket match

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs-S_Y8rGH4

369 ksbhatia May 3, 2015 at 11:54 pm

In cont . of #366 ; My catch of the Lunch time song ; A beautiful rendering by my fav. star of the yester years : Nutan

Ae mere humsafar ; rok apni najar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgTiTy95aLo

370 Hans May 4, 2015 at 1:57 am

Bhatiaji,
You were lucky to have played with such cricketers. The hare and tortoise of Lala Amarnath. The hare took off early, but ultimately Mohinder – the tortoise brought eternal fame to the Lala. Parthasarathy Sharma was known as one of the biggest gaddha(pit – meaning bad fielder) of Indian cricket and was also a run out hazard. His calling and running was so poor that people connected the song ‘humse aaya na gaya tumse bulaya na gaya, fasla 22 gaj ka donon se mitaya na gaya’ with him. I watched his debut test against W Indies in Delhi where he scored 54 and 49(run out). He and Kanitkar were even slower than the old hounds Bedi and Prasanna in the field.

If you were an opener, you must have got the taste of P Sharma’s running, because he was basically an opener too.

371 ksbhatia May 4, 2015 at 11:09 pm

Hans ‘ji ; In one of the Inter University match between Rajasthan and IIT Delhi [ during 1967-68 ] P Sharma was the one who got me out by his beautiful googly . As far as fielding is concerned I suppose that fielders of those days never made efforts to dive and catch the ball to save runs or boundries ; probably to save on the laundry expenses. Test cricketer Ramesh Saxena used to go to Kotla cricket ground by D T C Bus ! One can imagine the Test match fee they used to get .

Here I would like to add a song by Rafi , Aasha and chorus from Boot Polish .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPTmsFITtT0

372 ksbhatia May 5, 2015 at 12:16 am

In continuation of # 369 , Here is prelude song of the good night . This may find favour of AK , Arvinder sharma and Hans [ji’s] .

‘ Zindgi ke safar mein akele thheyy hum ‘ by great Rafi sahib from Nartaki with beautiful lyrics by Shakeel Badayuni and beautiful music by Ravi .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8ReKM-djqU

373 Hans May 5, 2015 at 1:17 am

Bhatiaji,
I have a different view about fielding. Seventy five percent of diving in the deep is for tv consumption. You can reach every reachable ball by anticipation and running hard. The 60s, 70s and first half of 80s have seen the best of close catchers in world cricket history. They dived and came up with balls. Now close catchers dive to drop the ball.

This Nartaki song posted by you is my great favourite. Of the MDs I just adore Ravi and Chitragupta. They were the most simple souls who worked so hard and never worried about propaganda. But, whenever I remember Nartaki I cannot forget to listen the Asha song ‘aaj duniya badi suhani hai’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvJFuK_UYQM

374 Hans May 5, 2015 at 1:23 am

Arunji,
I have a question for you. Is the actress Shanti Mathur in Kaali Ghata (1951) the same Shanti Mathur who sang ‘nanha munna rahi hoon’ and two other solos in the Son Of India.

375 ksbhatia May 6, 2015 at 12:21 am

Hans ji ; The Asha’s song ‘ aaj duniya badi suhani hai ‘ is a fab. song . Nartaki’s songs were all great . you may also like to hear Rafi’s song from Aaj aur kal ‘ Itni hasseen itni jawaan raat kya kareyen’

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aspnHWvms6E

376 ksbhatia May 7, 2015 at 10:21 pm

Here is one of Lata’ji’s rare gem of the mid 50s [ ‘ when melody was queen ‘ ]from ‘ Mirza Sahiban ‘ …… ” Tabiyat theek thi ” with music by forgotten MD Sardul Kwatra .

. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9nTIP1ur0U

377 ksbhatia May 12, 2015 at 12:46 am

Whistle blower in songs; well a sort of . Yes , over the years we have witnessed so many movies where a particular scene or situation in a song commands whistling ;be it funny , romantic or a friendly call etc. We have seen comedy films of Holywood’s greatest comedians ‘ Laurel and Hardy ‘ where in each films Laurel calls his buddy Hardy by ‘ twin whistles ‘ . In bolywood yester years actor Agha used whistles as catalyst to his comic scenes . In life whistling is usually considered some time as Bad , sometime considered as friendly call and sometime romantic etc. { In older times ; in winter ; whistling were used to make little babies pee in WC or even in washbasin .}. In hindi cinema it was mainly used to enhance romantic level of songs followed by dance numbers.

I am listing some of my such fav. songs for SoY family to enjoy, with a request to add more to this list.

1 Sham dhale khidki taale tum seete bajaana
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqfqN0ycALs
2 Nakharewali
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1HHoXBLb4Q
3 Mera naam abdul rehman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgMS5O-CBZQ
4 Main bombai ka babu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCl9IFKsz1E
5 Hum matwaale nau jawan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENC2bbnk-0w
6 Rahi mil gaye rahoan mein
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWLDRMV8S4w
7 Aankhoan mein kya ji
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvELrZM1Rlc
8 Pyar ki kassam hai
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmoDFoAPXjo
9 Yeh kya kar daala tune
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fq2MJUo0KkQ
10 Hum hain rahi pyar ke
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvWPx63CYAQ

There are many such songs ; but I wish to know if such songs were there in vintage era .

378 Ashwin Bhandarkar May 12, 2015 at 12:53 am

The analysis that follows is an edited version of what I had posted last year on a Google Group that I am a member of. Given the erudition and keen insights of those who post to SoY, I will not be surprised if these observations have already been made – and discussed threadbare 🙂 – on this forum before. If this is indeed the case, my apologies to all readers; on the other hand, if this is not the case, then I take great pleasure in presenting the following analysis of two compositions from Sajjad’s oeuvre. So here goes:

It seems like placing the start of a line not at the sam but half-a-matra later (something kind of similar to the ‘ateet’ device in tabla/kathak) by stretching the last word of the previous line, was one of Sajjadsaab’s favourite musical devices. He has used this to great effect, in the following two songs, both of them set to dadra (or aadha-dadra, if you so prefer), and both of them rendered beautifully by Lata:

1. Aaj mere naseeb ne from Huchul (1950)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfTJY_amg3I

Please note

(a) the deliberate stretching of ‘ki’ and the placement of ‘yaad’ to start after 1/2 a matra after the same in the line ‘beete dinon ki yaad ne’ of the sthaayi

(b) the deliberate stretching of the ‘re’ of ‘mere’ and the placement of ‘chain’ in the line ‘dard ne mere chain ko’ in the first antara

(c) the deliberate stretching of the ‘se’ of ‘base’ and the placement of ‘hue’ in the line ‘jisme base hue the woh’ in the second antara

(d) the deliberate stretching of the ‘naa’ and the placement of ‘muraad’ (please excuse my Urdu if it is incorrect) in the line ‘ai mere naamuraad yun’ in the 3rd antara.

2.Woh to chale gaye ae dil from Sungdil (1952)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srZpfK92XEc

Note the placement of ‘mazaa’ in ‘jeene me kya mazaa rahaa’ and the associated elongation of the ‘kya’

Also please note how the 2nd antara starts with the taar shadja and proceeds in waves to the base shadja – sheer genius!

IMO, the song is based on Gaavati but I could be mistaken.

379 Ashwin Bhandarkar May 12, 2015 at 8:16 pm

Great list, Bhatiaji! I would like to add ‘Yeh hawa yeh nadi ka kinaara’ from Ghar Sansaar to the list:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YguGUe6C4Hc

380 mumbaikar8 May 12, 2015 at 10:57 pm

Bhatiaji,
My whistle song is not golden era, I like this one from Fanah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvUhnTA2YVU

381 ksbhatia May 12, 2015 at 11:23 pm

Ashwin Bhandarkar ‘ji; Thanks for uploading this beautiful lilting romantic song 0f the bygone era . The whole song commands the respect of the composer, singers , musicians as well as cinematographer and art directors. When you listen to such songs you are easily carried away to a very sound sleep in the night . This song I will take it as a prelude to my good night sleep .

382 ksbhatia May 12, 2015 at 11:38 pm

Mumbaikar 8 ;

The song of Fanah is good . I think I have to get myself updated as I am yet to cross my musical boundry beyond golden era . When I feel exhausted of listening to golden melodies I switch over to western classic . I am posting one such song of the 50s ‘ Tennessee waltz’ by Patti page .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ek3eCbfqp0

383 ksbhatia May 14, 2015 at 5:53 pm

In continuation of # 377 ; our ventures of songs , with melody support of beautiful ‘ whistle ‘ , digs into five more :

1 Hum panchhi mastane

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAQocao7ccg

2 Jane na nazar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90ooNta8icg

3 Kisi ki muskurahtoan pe ho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69pPYkGiEAQ

4 San san san wo chali hawa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xyEhkwdocQ

5 Sun sun sun zalima

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xyEhkwdocQ

Any one coming up with vintage catag. ?

384 gaddeswarup May 16, 2015 at 12:45 am

Under the category where one singer sings most of the song
http://youtu.be/q-quNeo1q7k

385 gaddeswarup May 18, 2015 at 3:03 pm

This should be somewhere in the series of multiple versions. Original film Jayasimha 1955 and the song a duet of Ravu Balasaraswati Devi and A.P. Komala. MD T.V. Raju
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jgZkx6xTbI
Hindi version Jaisingh 1959. I do not know whether it is a remake or dubbed Song by Lata and Usha Mangeshkar. Same tune but MD Ramesh Naidu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRr4eaOI7Hc&feature=youtu.be

386 ksbhatia May 18, 2015 at 10:55 pm

Gaddeswarup’ji ; Amazing ! There is hardly any difference ! So close ; even the instrumental interludes are very close . I have a song behind my mind whose mukhda is quite close but not the whole song …… ‘ Mera chhota sa dekho yeh sansar hai ‘ by Lataji from old movie Bhai bhai with music by Madan mohan .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjDQy-7rey4

387 arvindersharma May 18, 2015 at 11:28 pm

Bhatia ji,
A beautiful mini post initiated by you befitting to be included in the multiple version songs series, given the number of songs posted by you.
You asked for some vintage songs.
Here is one very popular, perhaps overlooked by you.
This song from Shehnai, sung by Chitalkar and Meena Kapoor, music by C. Ramchandra acquired an iconic status, taking the country by storm.

https://youtu.be/-9a4NEtZDqI

The second one is from ‘Jaali Note’. sung by Rafi and Asha, music by OP Naiyyar.

https://youtu.be/0gz9tZUH82E

The third one is from ‘Shatranj’ sung by Lata and composed by C. Ramchandra.

https://youtu.be/CQhh2g6IKug

388 N Venkataraman May 18, 2015 at 11:47 pm

Gaddeswarup ji,
(ref: comment 385)
You are right. You have mentioned and posted the song ‘manasaina cheli pilupu’ from Jaysimha (1955) and also stated that you are on the look out for the Hindi version of this song rendered by Lata and Usha Mangeshkar. (Multiple Version Songs (18): Hindi-Telugu exchange-comment 5). Great find once agin.As far as I know the Hindi version Jaysingh was dubbed.
With your permission, I am copying your comments and songs and placing them under the appropriate post-Multiple Version Songs (18): Hindi-Telugu exchange. Hope you do not mind. I think AK ji will agree to this.

389 gaddeswarup May 19, 2015 at 4:23 am

ksbhatiaji @361 , it seems to be a common practice those days with dubbed and remade films. I think that some studios had employees who did the change. In some dubbed films, you see a group of 3,4 like V.Sarala, E.Sankara Sastry, Parthsarathy, Kaila etc who are different from the original composers. Sometimes a person more familiar with Hindi will take over. Even in movies simultaneously made in Tamil, Telugu there are same tunes but differement music directors. The credit pts system has not evolved yet. Choreographers sometimes we’re not credited at all

390 gaddeswarup May 19, 2015 at 4:25 am

Venkataramanji at 389, I was not sure whether dubbed, remade films were in different categories and was too lazy to check. Please change it to the appropriate place and the comment here can be deleted.

391 AK May 19, 2015 at 6:20 am

Venkataramanji,
Please go ahead. It belongs there.

392 N.Venkataraman May 19, 2015 at 11:39 am

Bhatia ji
Absolutely true . Thanks for the link.

393 ksbhatia May 20, 2015 at 12:34 am

Arvindersharma’ji @ 387 ; Lovely posting of rare songs. Finding more of vintage songs will be a great fun . I am posting five more songs of Golden era which may be of liking of all .

1. Chori chori ek ishara ho gaya hai…… by Rafi and ashaji

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvrhDY0y73Y

2. kahan ja rahe the……………by Rafi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO1k1fZ-YYY

3. Albelaa main ek dil wala…… by Lataji

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qElobYzsqNE

4. Dekh aasman mein chand muskaraiye … Kishore geeta duet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO281a2vYZA

5 Unse ripi tipi ho gayi ……by Rafi , Geeta dutt and chorus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hgyiqu_pwE

By the way who is Yodling in this song ? Any clue?

394 ksbhatia May 29, 2015 at 11:08 pm

In continuation of #393 ; a few more songs with whistle as concluding postlude and some with prelude :

1. Eit ki duki paan ka eeka ……rafi in Howrah bridge

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8o7tMRI9puU

2. Maang ke saath tumahra…….rafi , asha duet in Naya daur

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBUBPElquj4

3. Yeh sham mastani…………Kishore from Kati patang

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sZg4EUB3IM

To conclude this mini post I am posting whistling march music theme from the famous David Lean’s movie : Bridge on the river kwai

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83bmsluWHZc

395 ksbhatia May 29, 2015 at 11:30 pm

The song no.5 @ 393 be refered to . Yes; the yodlee in the song is done by non other than Rafi sahib . There are two more such songs where Rafi saheb has done yodling . One of such song I am posting here, the second one I am not able to recall .

Gussa fuzool hai hamein…… by Rafi and asha from Repoter raju .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-_bmnUi7CA

396 AK May 30, 2015 at 9:34 am

KS Bhatiaji,
I can’t help commenting that in the yodelling portion Rafi sounds like Kishore Kumar. Probably he was aware of that, and that is why the yodelling part is very fleeting and comes in the middle.

397 ksbhatia May 30, 2015 at 11:28 pm

AKji; Of course Kishore kumar is unbeatable in Yodelling . His style suited Dev Anand, Rajesh Khanna and kishore himself. It is only for the record to register that Rafi sang such songs . I think our other members would also want to know whether Mohindra kapoor or Talat ever sang yodlee songs. Arvinder sharma must be curious; I know.

398 Hans May 31, 2015 at 12:59 am

AK,
Your comment would suggest a presumption that Rafi was the person to decide when and where and for how long he would yoddle. Even if he was the decision maker, then why did he yoddle at all if he had to shield it by keeping it at a safe place so that it is not detected. Yoddling is never a part of singing which is the reason no prominent singer yoddled. Even KK did very little yodeling after he was established as a singer. Earlier he did it because it fitted the persona of the eccentric comic hero he was playing on the screen.

Rafi did that in a few songs just because he was a versatile singer and he would practice different things in case he may be required to do it for some funny character. KK’s yodeling had hardly any variety, he mostly did the same things again and again. See Rafi’s yodling in ‘unse rippi tippi’. Has KK ever been able to do this kind of yoddling. You agree that Rafi did yoddling similar to KK in the song under discussion.

Now, look at this song, ‘main tere dil ki duniya men’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VRL36XlvwA
Geeta sings the song and one Surendra(?) yoddles and quite efficiently. Manna Dey has also yoddled in one or two songs. So what is the big deal. But, KK fans have made it a big deal because they have nothing else in which they can even make him compete with Rafi.

399 AK May 31, 2015 at 3:58 pm

Hans,
In retrospect, I feel my reference to KK was misplaced, but not for the reason you are alluding, but because KK had not yet acquired fame for his yodelling in 1950. You are labouring your point too much. Shall we agree that other singers might have yodelled, KK became associated with it?

400 ksbhatia May 31, 2015 at 11:58 pm

AK, HANS’ji[s],

Here is one more yodlee song by Rafi and Asha’ji from MR Z, a 1959 movie which has music by Manohar Khanna . That makes Rafi’s three yoddling songs till date . More are likely to be added soon .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=No2HARfB2ZI

401 ksbhatia June 2, 2015 at 8:42 pm

….. A word about MD Manohar Khanna . He was lyricist for quite a number of movies of the 50s and wrote quite a number of songs for his daughter Usha Khanna movies of 60s and 70s as well . He was associated with MD Premnath in some of his films . I am not sure weather MD Premnath is same as actor Premnath of yester years . Some one to clarify pl.

402 ksbhatia June 2, 2015 at 11:16 pm

….My prelude song to good night sleep and the one similar to that……

Mohabbat mein aise zamane bhi aaye kabhi ro liye hum kabhi muskuraiye…….by Lata, talat from SAGAI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEGd9d18Lsg

Agar bewafa tujhko pehchaan jaate………..by Rafi from ‘ Raat ke andhere mein’

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjHcT09Kj8E

403 Ashwin Dave June 3, 2015 at 6:57 am

Looking for Jagmohn’s songs

404 AK June 3, 2015 at 3:22 pm

Ashwin Dave,
Welcome to SoY. Jagmohan is my great favourite. Therefore, he has to appear some day, but I can’t promise when.

405 mumbaikar8 June 4, 2015 at 6:36 pm

Bhatiaji, AK,
Hindi songs from Bengali movies! Set the ball rolling in other languages?
Rafi singing in Bengali movie Indrani, sabhi koochh lutakar:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OShV-XNqd3I
Mubarak Begum singing gulzar’s ruke ruke se qadam in Salil Choudhary’s composition in lal Pather:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK-M4uHOf5M

406 AK June 4, 2015 at 11:07 pm

Mumbaikar8,
You were a Bengali in your previous birth!

407 ksbhatia June 5, 2015 at 2:07 pm

Mumbaiker8, AKji, A very interesting and difficult subject; and in fact challenging also. Akji be ready to open your pendora box . Gulzar lyrics being used in bengali film has really bold me . Just now I can recall only tunes which were used in non hindi movies ; such as the one from Dil deke dekho :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A73E93stB9Q

408 AK June 5, 2015 at 4:18 pm

KS Bhataji,
This is a nice one. We have a huge lost of ‘inspired’ songs from Hindi into the regional languages. Our series on Multiple Version Songs has several articles on this theme.

409 Hans June 6, 2015 at 1:57 am

AK (#399)
Can you tell me the reason why you think I am labouring my point too much. In my view, I have not done anything of the sort. It is natural that swimming against the stream is difficult. So a reply to a circulating myth has to be longer. Whatever the reason your statement would have been an insinuation against Rafi if it had went unanswered. You want me to agree with the fact that KK got associated with yodelling. I think my reply is already there. He got so associated with it because of the wish of his fans to compare him with Rafi and they clung to every straw for this purpose. On singing ability KK would find hard even to compete with Mahendra Kapoor. I have much to say but I am keeping it brief. But, can you or anybody else tell me in how many songs KK yodelled post 1971, because 85% of his songs were recorded post 71.

410 AK June 7, 2015 at 1:17 am

Hans,
You are absolutely clear. I think we can close this topic.

411 Kartik June 9, 2015 at 1:28 am

Hi! AK

This is a great site on old Hindi film music but why this site is so biased against R.D. Burman? Not even a single post on him so far! Anil Biswas who seems to be a darling composer of this site regarded R.D. Burman as the greatest all-rounder music director. I hope to see a post on the greatest all-rounder of Hindi film music soon.

Regards!

412 AK June 9, 2015 at 9:12 am

Kartik,
Welcome to SoY, and thanks a lot for your compliments. One reason for the absence of RDB is that this site focuses on the music from 1930s through 60s. He did compose some great music from 1965-69, but his main fame is for his work post-70s. That is why you would not find anything on AR Rahman either.

413 Jignesh Kotadia June 9, 2015 at 11:43 am

What a class discovery Mumbaikar8ji !!!! Sabhi kuchh lutaakar hue hum tumhare.. In a Bengali movie !! Terrific singing by Rafi..intoxicating !! You must post such precious discoveries in a mainstream post and not here in open house. And if possible you should make an article on such Hindi songs from other language movies. Thanks.

414 gaddeswarup June 16, 2015 at 11:19 am

Hemantha Kumar’s birthday and a good write up in upperstall http://upperstall.com/profile/hemanta-mukherjee/

415 Hans June 16, 2015 at 1:51 pm

Gaddeswarupji,
Thanks for remembering Hemant Kumar.

Here is different kind of song from film Lalten (1956), which starts as ‘dil ke hain shehzade hum hai surat bhale mawali ki’. But, the second line of mukhda is quite interesting which shows how popular Geeta Bali was in those days. The second line says ‘khali pocket rakhte hain par photo Geeta Bali ki’. The lyrics were written by Indeevar. Indeevar also wrote lyrics for another funny song ‘dil ka tatto ad jata hain gali dekh ke yaar ki’ (duet by Hemant-Geeta) in the same film.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhHLN_2pVtY

416 gaddeswarup June 16, 2015 at 2:58 pm

Hansji, very nice. I did not see this side of Hemanta Kumar.

417 ksbhatia June 19, 2015 at 12:00 am

Hans’ji; Thanks for the unique forgoton song of Lalten which I am hearing after 40 or 50 years . ‘ Khali pocket’ line was our fav. line during our school days also ; for the obvious reason that our daily allownce at that time was Do Aane. Of course those were enough for us to buy Chhole bhature, samosa and ballu shhaie . Geeta bali was one of our families fav. actress with Albela topping the chart .
I am remembering Hemant kumar’s soul stirring rendering ‘ Ganga aaye kahan se ‘ from Kabuliwala . It is one of the best composition by Salilda as well . And of course beautiful lyrics by Shailendra/ Gulzar ? .

418 ksbhatia June 19, 2015 at 12:06 am

……in continuation
Ganga aaye kahan se …… by Hemant kumar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HNsAq85ju8

419 Ashwin Dave June 19, 2015 at 7:26 am

Where I can find non filmy Hindi songs?

420 gaddeswarup June 19, 2015 at 7:28 am

ksbhatiyaji, Similar first line, I think from an earlier song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThaiTWTvl2Q

421 AK June 19, 2015 at 8:02 am

Ashwin Dave,
If you know the songs you are looking for, type its first line on YouTube’s search option. You would most likely find all the songs you are looking for.

422 ksbhatia June 19, 2015 at 11:41 pm

Gaddeswarup’ji ; The Hemant kumar song posted @ 420 is the original song and its hindi version is ‘ oh beqarar dil , ho chuka hai mujko aansooan se pyar’ by Lataji from the film Kohra. Hemant kumar is the MD of both the movies . Yes ; the starting line of bengali song partially matches the opening line of ‘ ganga aaye kahan se ‘ ., though the music is by Salilda.

423 mumbaikar8 June 20, 2015 at 10:55 pm

Jigensh, # 413
Thanks for the appreciation. Sorry for the delay.

ksbhatiaji, gaddeswarupji,
Missed Hemant Kumar’s birthday.
In continuation…. this soulful song from Khamoshi.
Humne dekhi un aankhon ki mahake khusboon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSRcxoDynJs&list=RDrSRcxoDynJs

424 ksbhatia June 21, 2015 at 12:00 am

Mumbaiker8, Gaddeswarup’ji ,
Thanks for the Lata’s one of the best song for Hemant kumar ‘s music . For us it is one of the Jewel in the crown . As a tribute to Hemant Kumar I am posting one of the great sad duet of Hemant / Lataji’s song . ‘ Chuppa lo dil mein ‘ from Mamta.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXgKgZt9Jik

425 arvind June 21, 2015 at 11:13 pm

joining , though belatedly, gaddeswarupji,hansji,ks bhatiaji,mumbaikar8 in remembering hemanta kumar on his b’day.
https://youtu.be/aAr_Q7qhR1M
(chhup gaya koi re/champakali/lata)
https://youtu.be/69dnqIFfrnE
(kuchh dil ne kaha/anupama/lata)

426 Hans June 22, 2015 at 2:06 am

Gaddeswarupji (#416)
Have you forgotten ‘chandaniya nadiya beech nahaye’ and zara nazaron se keh do ji’.

Bhatiaji (#417)
Your ‘do aane’ brought to mind one rehriwala who parked his rehri in front of our school gate in Rohtak and called out loud ‘moosal se mote kele ek aane ke teen’ during recess time. This was in 1964 or 65. He felt pride in bringing the best bananas in town and would mark a cut on the banana and sprinkle lemon juice and his special masala on it before serving the banana. I still remember his face and the whole hefty frame.

427 gaddeswarup June 22, 2015 at 3:12 am

Hansji (at 426), both new to me. My knowledge of Hindi songs is not wide though I listen them frequently. This site has become a source for many wonderful new songs. The scene in the first is similar to the one in another song. Thanks.

428 ksbhatia June 23, 2015 at 11:50 pm

Looking for some sad melodies of the 50s and found three unbeatable ones in the old movie ‘ Aurat’ . The film had seven or eight songs ; all sung by Lataji and with beautiful lyrics by Hasrat / Shailendra set to great musical melodies by Shanker Jaikishan .

1. Darde jigar thaire jara
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbzvCcjhIPI

2. Soona soona hai jahan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lpAFbOsafM

3. Yeh duniya banai kis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9BiIV_8T2M

The same team also produced another musical hit ‘ Badal’ which also had great songs by Lataji.

429 ksbhatia June 24, 2015 at 12:16 am

……In continuation Three more sad songs from ‘ Badal ‘ by the same team:

1. Do din ke leye mehman yahan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiNRE2_jK8E

2. O anmol pyar bin mol bike

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAF0rIqRRig

3. Rota hai mera dil

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdCY17J-RWQ

430 ksbhatia June 24, 2015 at 12:24 am

……in continuation; after listening to sad songs I will take leave with a happy note : a happy song from Badal as a prelude to a good night sleep

” Unse pyar ho gaya ” by Lataji

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjFt7DjRsY8

431 Hans June 24, 2015 at 1:07 am

Bhatiaji,
‘Soona soona hai jahan’ in comment 428, reminds me the tune of ‘mera dil ye pukare aaja’ from Nagin which came next year. The mood is also similar in both songs.

432 AP June 24, 2015 at 4:21 am

Dear AK and community: do any of you know where to find the full 1938 film “Dharti Mata” directed by Nitin Bose and produced by New Theatres? I cannot find it anywhere. Thank you very much.

433 AK June 24, 2015 at 7:50 am

AP,
Welcome to SoY. I have doubts if that film is available. I guess it is among the New Theatres films that were either destroyed or lost. Pinaki Chakraborty is Director, New Theatres Ltd in Kolkata. I have visited their office with similar interest about their films. I was not very impressed. He has written NT’s history in Bengali, Chalchitrer Itihase New Theatres. It is available online. I don’t think it has been translated into English/Hindi. I could not find their website, I don’t think they have created one. I would let you know their contact details if I am able to find it (I had it until a few years ago).

434 ksbhatia June 26, 2015 at 11:53 pm

…….continuing from comment #27 of Multiple version songs –‘female solo….’.here are two songs based on Waltz :
1. Panchi re o panchhi …..by Asha / Rafi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cozdm0Qqly4

2. Dil ki girhe khol do ….. by Lata and Manna dey from Raat aur din
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5THWnV2Wek

435 ksbhatia June 27, 2015 at 12:31 am

Hansji; Remember the song ” Mera chhota sa dekho yeh sansar hai ” by Lataji from Bhai bhai I had refered to in one of the artcle . I have come across one more song which quite closely resemble as another substitute of the original Tamil song .

Mori chham chham baje payaliya……… Lataji from Ghunghat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ5dlOdaid4

436 Hans June 27, 2015 at 1:48 am

Bhatiaji,
I think the tune is different. But, thanks for reminding the sweet song. Though Ravi composed more songs for Asha, but he also composed a number of gems for Lata also. Ghunghat also had Lata’s ‘lage na mora jiya’.

437 mumbaikar8 June 27, 2015 at 6:25 pm

Bhatiaji,
Beautiful waltz songs you have uploaded,
Dil Ki girah khol do is absolutely wonderful.
Our 1950 list has Naushad popular waltz song from Daastan

Tarari Yaarari

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKoiZEmP6dw
and the ultimate romantic from Pyasa Hum aap ki aankhon mein

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBTcsTd2kF0

438 ksbhatia June 28, 2015 at 12:13 am

Mumbaikar8;
Thanks for liking the songs . Tarari Yaarari is my fav.childhood song . I was very happy to hear humming of the same song by Mohan choti in Chalti ka naam gadi . Hum aap ki ankhoan mein from Pyasa is my all time fav. As you said it is one of the great romantic song .

Here are a few more songs based on Waltz .

1. Zameen pe hame aasman se bhaitha ke giraha to na doge………..from Adalat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZDjQeCXewE

2. Aye dil na mujh se choopa such bataa kya hua ………..from Badal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyEKS2DFap8

3. Bhanware ki gunjan hai mera dil……………from Kal aaj aur kal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aMH-zOmTh8

439 Arunkumar Deshmukh June 28, 2015 at 8:38 pm

ksbhatia ji,
Ref comment No 401

Actor Premnath and Composer Premnath were two different persons.
please read the details in this article-
http://www.anmolfankaar.com/features/blog/319-same-name-confusions-part-2.html
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440 ksbhatia June 28, 2015 at 11:40 pm

Arunkumar deshmukh’ji ; The link is very informative ; thanks for that . Beside clarification on Premnath my doubts on other similar same name artistes have also been cleared .

441 gaddeswarup June 29, 2015 at 12:22 pm

I do not know under what category ‘ Bholi Surat’ from Albela comes. The tune sounds Indian, may be even basesdon some raga, the dance western, a radiant Gitabali and Bhagwan with his shuffle. I am sure it must have been discussed before. http://youtu.be/jHEXI3xHbGA

442 ksbhatia July 1, 2015 at 1:52 pm

Two beautiful songs- big stars- big directors- yet big mistakes . Yes ; here are two songs which has these mistakes .

1. Dukh bhare din beete re bhaiya ……from Mother India .
In this song Nargis and Kum kum sings both shamshad and geeta dutt lines in their respective stanzas and so also Raaj kumar and Rajendra kumar who sings both Rafi and Manna dey in their respective lines :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmAmFTqP3hA
2. Bechain nazr khoi si dagar …………from Yahudi

In this song dancers Helen and Cucoo sings both Lata and Geeta dutt lines:

/www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqgJHfW0ABo

443 ksbhatia July 1, 2015 at 2:28 pm

in continuation…….for…..Bechain dil khoi si nazar……..refer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqgJHfW0ABo

444 ksbhatia July 3, 2015 at 12:08 am

My good night sleep song …….. Kya jawan raat hai baharoan ki ………..by Rafi/ asha ji from Sindbad Alibaba Alladin .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qpuVTuKXZU

445 A . N. GANDHE July 6, 2015 at 1:28 pm

Shailesh Mukharjee was sound recordist with Ameen Sayani in later years. Ameenji has mentioned this in one of volumes of Geetamala ki chhao mein.

446 AK July 6, 2015 at 6:33 pm

AN Gandhe,
Welcome to SoY and thanks a lot for this information.

447 A . N. GANDHE July 7, 2015 at 12:57 pm

I am sorry i thought Songs being discussed are from 51 to 59 and not 1950. All the songs I mentioned are from different years. i think your list of songs of 1950 is very exhaustive.

448 SSW July 7, 2015 at 7:04 pm

Charanjit Singh who was a well known bass guitar player in Hindi film orchestras died yesterday in Bombay.

449 ksbhatia July 9, 2015 at 11:39 pm

My evening music with cowboy snacks and posting one of their best duets ; Lataji / Rafi in Gateway of India ,music Madan mohan :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2Q8B2jLvVM

450 gaddeswarup July 16, 2015 at 7:34 am

Sheila Ramani RIP

451 ksbhatia July 16, 2015 at 11:14 pm

Feeling sad on learning the demise of one of stalwart of the golden era, Sheila ramani , who in her times had appeared in many song and dance numbers of some beautiful movies [ particularly Navketan movies ] . My heart felt condolence to the family .

452 ksbhatia July 17, 2015 at 1:00 pm

…….. in cont…….. Here is one sad song on remembrence of Sheila ramani :
Eid ka din tere bin hai pheeka by Lata/ Rafi from Soni mahiwal .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoHrHZPM7ys

453 A . N. GANDHE July 17, 2015 at 5:05 pm

I think dil jale to jale would have been more apt.

454 A . N. GANDHE July 17, 2015 at 5:24 pm
455 A . N. GANDHE July 17, 2015 at 5:26 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d__GZGpyt9k

well this one of my favorite

456 A . N. GANDHE July 17, 2015 at 5:29 pm
457 gaddeswarup July 18, 2015 at 5:14 am
458 ksbhatia July 22, 2015 at 10:56 pm

My good night sleep song by Lata ji…….. Tum chand ke saath chale aao……from Ashiana , music by Madan mohan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDxrDwaqWx4

459 gaddeswarup July 27, 2015 at 3:53 am
460 BRIJ MADAN July 27, 2015 at 11:31 pm

Given this great piece on Pankaj Mullick, you should also explore the songs of JAGMOHAN, a brilliant and totally underestimated singer in the mid-40’s. Each and every song is a gold mine of exploration, of poetic beauty—-compared to in this day of nonsensical loud music. Its hard to believe he got so left behind.

I am personally interested in a database of Jagmohan and Pankaj Mullick songs that provide the raag of each song. If anyone has that, I would sure appreciate it. Or if I have enough responses I may develop one myself.

And I am interested in same for C.H. Atma, Saigal, Kanan Devi, and all pre-50’s when music was sung and played without any embellishment from technology..

461 AK July 27, 2015 at 11:51 pm

Brij Madan,
Welcome to Songs of Yore. KL Saigal and Pankaj Mullick have been discussed in some measure on this blog. You can click their link on the sidebar on the right under Categories:Singers. You can make out Jagmohan and Kanan Devi are my great favourites, too. There will be posts on them, too, hopefully in not a too distant future. We have some Raga experts, I am sure they would keep your request in mind.

462 BRIJ MADAN July 28, 2015 at 12:48 am

I got some fast comments back but I still see JAGMOHAN very under-represented in this blog

463 AK July 28, 2015 at 5:53 am

Brij Madan,
That’s what I said. Jagmohan will appear in

464 AK July 28, 2015 at 5:55 am

Brij Madan,
That’s what I said. Jagmohan will, hopefully, appear in a not too distant future.

465 BRIJ MADAN July 28, 2015 at 6:17 am

Thanks A.K. I will look forward to the blog

466 Greg Booth July 31, 2015 at 4:05 am

Greetings from New Zealand,
I’m collecting examples of song scenes that are parody medleys in some form (for example the Sri Devi parody in Mr India, the Madhubala-Kishore dream scene in Chalti ka Naam Hai Gaadi, the sangat scene in Hum Saath Saath Hai, even the elevator performance by Kamal Hassan in Ek Duje Ke Liye—although that’s not technically a parody). Since these scenes are discovered by me largely by chance, I ask if anyone knows of any such scenes in films of the 1950s (or earlier). Someone has very kindly pointed out to me the Saigal parody by Kishore Kumar in Bandi (Ek roz hamari bhi daal galegi); but I know of nothing before that (1957).

Thanks,

467 gaddeswarup July 31, 2015 at 4:41 am

Professor Booth, Would this be an example? http://youtu.be/ONhVXPh_kvQ

468 gaddeswarup July 31, 2015 at 4:54 am

There may be some examples here though it is not always clear in which sense parody is used, whether it is a parody of an existing song or just a parody by itself http://atulsongaday.me/category/parody-song/

469 mumbaikar8 July 31, 2015 at 6:54 am

I can think of one from 1950 Chhoti Bhabhi.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQDAlv0ZMNc
I am aware of some in sixties.

470 arvind August 4, 2015 at 6:10 pm

remembering kishore kumar on his b’day .
https://youtu.be/DO2JzkR91V4
(zindagi ke safar mein guzar jaate hain jo maqaam…aap ki kasam/1974/rd burman/anand bakhshi)

471 ksbhatia August 4, 2015 at 11:01 pm

Salute to one of the greatest singer/actor on his birthday . Kishore ; The name itself spell laughing riots on the silver screen . The Kishore ‘s songs touched many heights ; be it sad, be it romantic or be it comic . His yodlling is another catalysis agent for fast numbers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvWPx63CYAQ

Hum hain rahi pyar ke…….from Nau do gyarahan …..is one of my fav. song. I liked his rendering in old classic New delhi as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDZbZ2caxmc

472 Rakesh Ratti Kapoor August 7, 2015 at 3:40 am

I am looking for songs/lyrics of ‘mill mazdoor’, in particularly, ‘Jhoom rahin hain shokhiyan, deeda-e-neembaaz mein…
2. Musibat ka maara, chala ek musafir, yeh kiski lagan mein chala ha raha hai…
Both these so vs have been, at one point in time , rendered by Mukesh (Private Collection?) which I am looking for also.
Rgds.
Rakesh

473 AK August 7, 2015 at 1:09 pm

Rakesh Ratti Kapoor,
The following information is courtesy Sudhir Kapur:

There is no film by the name ‘Mill Mazdoor’. There is a film from 1934 titled ‘The Mill’ which also has an alias name ‘Mazdoor’.

Here is a brief about this film.
http://filmheritagefoundation.co.in/mill-mazdoor-1934-142-mins/

The first song listed belongs to this film- “Jhoom Rahi Hain Shokhiyan”. The second song is not traceable in the Hindi Film Geet Kosh. There is a possibility that there may be an alternate starting line.

Neither of the two songs seem to be available, in the voice of Mukesh. Do you have more information about these ‘private recordings’ by Mukesh?

474 Mahesh August 8, 2015 at 11:22 am

AK ji,
According to one article in “Screen”, Mukesh had recorded 6 private songs in Delhi before he came to Mumbai in 1940.
They are ” Gokul nagari jana, Meri andheri kutiya, Aab tu hai dil gir, Allah mullah dekh zara, Preet ke jeena and Savar yaar.
Apart from these there is one short private recording of Mukesh, sung on the occasion of Raj Kapoor’s daughter’s wedding. This off course is easily available on net.

475 AK August 8, 2015 at 11:56 am

Mahesh,
Thanks for the info. So I take it. his pre-Bombay songs are not available, as of now. Sad.

476 Rakesh Ratti Kapoor August 11, 2015 at 10:46 am

I am in possession of these erecordi gs by Mukesh. But it is going to be a herculian task to dig them out. Let me see what best can be done. Anybody in Delhi has a good spool player? Pl let me know. Rgds.

477 Gulab Shah August 11, 2015 at 11:34 am

My very favorite song of Jagmohan is Meri Ankhen bani Diwani with beaytiful lyric. Muze n sapano se bahalao is his song also I think. Another great one. There was an old LP of Jagmohan songs.

478 Rakesh Ratti Kapoor August 11, 2015 at 12:07 pm

Human Shah ji,
These recordings are definitely available. Check CDF 132147. Jagmohan Sursagar. http://www.saregama.com
Should get what you want. All the best.
Rgds.

479 ksbhatia August 11, 2015 at 11:14 pm

AK’ji;

There is a question which is long lingering in my mind for the so many years and that is……… Where to find the tunes of the great MDs which were composed by them and made their ways to so called Music Banks of the producers ? Are they easily available or have they been passed on to some custodians ? We know some MDs have given beautiful tunes , as background music in some movies; to be later composed as a song in movies [ to follow after certain period of time ] for that producer .

480 AK August 12, 2015 at 9:44 am

KS Bhatiaji,
Probably you are referring to the tunes which were not used in a film, but existed somewhere, either with the MD or the film producer, which may or may not have found their way to a film later. This can be answered only by an insider. I am aware Madman Mohan’s raw tunes of some well known songs have been released.

481 ksbhatia August 17, 2015 at 12:05 am

It was a good weekend to celebrate independence day along with family and friends ; had a good dose of songs for the occasion thru out the day. I was wondering and remembering one song which was beautifully sung by Rafi sahib in Ghera daag , an O P Ralhan movie of the mid 60’s starring Rajendra kumar ……… Aaj udta hua ek panchie zindgi ki baharoan mein aaya……
.This song beautifully conveys the happiness of liberty and freedom after one comes out of the clutches of slavery . Its a pure pleasure to listen to this Rafi and Ravi combo .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1FZRHK94cU

482 mumbaikar8 August 17, 2015 at 1:13 am
483 Anirudh August 28, 2015 at 12:19 pm

Could you please tell me in which raag is this song composed?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zP3dFXqE4Qc

Sada Kannali song from Kaviratna Kalidasa, an old Kannada movie.

I read somewhere that it is Brindavani Sarang. Kindly clear my doubt.

484 gaddeswarup August 28, 2015 at 3:56 pm

Interesting dance and song from Hunterwali ki beti 1943, apparently by Sham Sunder and Ranibala Aaj Aadhi Raat Ko
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llxrkudqbME

485 ksbhatia September 1, 2015 at 12:44 am

SoY family’,
With this month coming to an end , let us welcome the new month and embrace the arrival , in waiting ,of autumn thru September . The first song that comes to my mind is Hollywood’s Come september theme song which was very popular in India during 60’s [ and still cont.to charm] . This dance number was fav.with the Music clubs and was regularly played in restaurants on jukebox . Its fav.of Baaraat dance bands as well .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te7I_ta7Vzc

This theme dance number was beautifully captured in the movie of the 60’s ‘ Ishara ‘ featuring Vyjentimala . joy mukerjee and pran . Refer to movie length from 3.45 to 6.00 .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kXhTjN4UM0

With Autumn knocking I am remembering one of my fav. Nat king Cole number ” Autumn leaves ” as also Shanker Jaikishan’s ” Jaane chaman shola badan ” of Gumnaam , which I think is one of the best version of the original song . I am uploading the original as well as variations :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEMCeymW1Ow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2f0NzCohyY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbpqbCNS7K0

Hope every one will like.

486 AK September 1, 2015 at 10:52 am

KS Bhatiaji,
You forgot to mention the note by note copy of the song sung by Suman Kalyanpur (private)

Rimjhim rimjhim barse ye moti ke dane
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX5TwgmE3po

487 ksbhatia September 1, 2015 at 1:32 pm

AK’ji ;
Amajing! I will call it masters copy. I forgot to upload an inspired song by Kishore kumar based on …..Autumn leaves song as well .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1JXTxM9snw

488 Mahesh September 1, 2015 at 1:58 pm

I hate to discuss new songs, but then can someone please check.
1. Madhuri Dixit’s “Raja”
2. Amir Khan’s “Baazi”.
I suppose they had songs based on Come September.

Also “mere sanam” and “kashmir ki kalli” movies were based on the English version. I don’t know if these movies had any songs based on the popular theme.

Lastly the Lata song from Aah 1953.
Thanks.

489 AK September 1, 2015 at 3:00 pm

Mahesh,
Raja (1995) song is very clearly based on Come September (the song starts from 1.43).

Nazarein milin dil dhadka by Alka Yagnik and Udit Narayan from Raja
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFImzXXrFJA

I am not aware of the song from Baazi. It may not be a close copy, otherwise it would have come to notice.

Mere SanamHumdum mere maan bhi jaao seems to be closest to the tune, but I won’t call it based on Come September. Kashmir Ki Kali – I can’t think of any song which could be said to be inspired from that tune. No point in stretching. The similarity has to be obvious on first listening.

Aah – Perhaps you are thinking of Sunate the naam hum jinka bahaar se. But Come September came in 1961, therefore, this cannot be the inspiration for Aah song. Not everything in staccato style has to be Come September.

490 ksbhatia September 1, 2015 at 3:26 pm

Mahesh ji;
You are very right. Both Raja and Baazi had songs based on Come September theme . Like your self I will not like to upload them , fearing that they may dilute the original ones. Any thing carrying Nadeem sharwan or Annu Malik tags are not easy to digest; for me at least .

Both , Mere Sanam and Kashmir Ki Kali , were more or less based on the likes of Rock hudson / Gina lolobrigada [ or Doris Day may be] comedy movies starer like ” Pillow Talk” . I don’t think these movies carried the theme song .

Aah’s Lata song also does not carry the related theme song as the movie aah was released much more earlier than the hollywood movies . The song ….. sunte thye naam hum …. was concieved much earliar and can be heard as background music in R K’s Barsaat .

491 Ashok Kumar Tyagi September 2, 2015 at 4:37 pm

In the article ‘ Naushad’s LDDS’, it has been stated that he was past his prime around 1968 (when film’ Saathi’ was made). A musician does not lose his art – a singer may lose power of his/her throat and lungs- in older age. One may admit that occasionally a musician/composer may be out of sync with the prevailing trends. Rather than stating Naushad to be past his prime, I would humbly state that the film makers and directors of that period were conveniently choosing mediocre talent (composers and lyricists) and were discarding top class talent. I cannot forget that from 1964-65 onwards the following were ignored, though they were as good as ever:-

Jaan-nisar Akhtar, Talat Mahmood, Hemant Kumar, Shamshad Begum, Iqbal Qureshi, C. Ramchandra and Vasant Desai.

Disregarding hughly talented persons proved a great mistake. Within a few years, the quality of Hindi film songs got lower and lower as far as lyrics and melody were concerned. Additionally, matters got worse due to sad demise of Shakeel, Shailendra, Roshan and Jaikishan.

Yours truly
Ashok Kumar Tyagi

492 AK September 2, 2015 at 5:49 pm

Tyagiji,
Welcome to SoY and thanks for your comments. What you are saying is another way of looking at it, that they remained as talented, but the trends changed. However, that is not the entire answer, because another Golden Era stalwart, SD Burman remained at the top both commercially and in quality. Another who adapted themselves amazingly are Kalyanji Anandji.

493 Gulab Shah September 2, 2015 at 10:37 pm

In case of Naushad I think his music was with the trend in late 60’s when you listen to Sathi’s songs. It may be that his big patron Producer Mehboob passed away and A. R. Kardar’s movies flopped. Also younger producers and directors probably preferred younger composers ( except for S. D. Berman who had strong support of Bengalis ) like LP and R.D. Berman. C. Ramchand did not recover from Lataji’s refusal to sing for him. S. D. Berman survived it.

494 AK September 3, 2015 at 9:51 am

Gulab Shah,
Welcome to SOY and thanks for your comments. If we see Naushad’s work post-68 (Aadmi, Sanghursh, Saathi), it is sharply downhill. I think the best way to understand is that every product has its life-cycle. He had his long reign at the top, someday it had to come to an end.

495 Ashok Kumar Tyagi September 3, 2015 at 1:18 pm

Dear AK ji and Gulab ji,

The discussion is opening into interesting directions. Film Aadmi had two magnificent Rafi numbers – Aaj purani rahon se and Na aadmi ka koi bharosa. Watching this movie in Stadium cinema in Delhi, I was perplexed to see that younger audience left the hall for short duration when a classical music based Lata Mangeshkar number came on the screen. It was a good song and Waheeda was looking very lovely. In this film, Naushad used the unique voice of Talat Mahmood one last time. That male duet (ik chand aasman mein hai ik mere saath hai) was also a reasonably good song. Around the same time, Naushad completed the pending work of the superlative musical, Pakeejah (work left incomplete due to passing away of his close friend Ghulam Mohammad). The phrase ‘sharply downhill’ probably has been used keeping in mind the music of two Rajendra Kumar films — Ganwar and Tangewala.

A seed needs a fertile soil. Good film songs need such movies where the songs may merge smoothly with the story being told and characters portraying that story. Therefore the blame may, in fairness, be directed towards film makers. When other Hindi film makers had disregarded Vasant Desai and Salil Choudhuri, Hrishikesh Mukherjee made expert use of them(Aashirwad, Guddi and Anand). It may be added that luckily for song lovers, Chetan Anand did not ditch Madan Mohan and the latter reserved his best for Chetan. I could not fathom how Ravi and Salil Choudhuri were in great demand in Malayalam films but nobody gave them work in Mumbai.

Yours truly
Ashok Kumar Tyagi

496 AK September 3, 2015 at 2:23 pm

Tyagiji,
I wish you had posted this discussion on my Naushad post. You are a mind reader, because I had precisely those two films of Rajendra Kumar in my mind.

Pakeezah is an unusual case, because firstly, who did what between Ghulam Mohammd and Naushad is contentious. GM’s family was said to be cut up by Naushad’s patronising claims. Secondly, it had been ages in the making, making Meena Kumari bloated, having to resort to a double in some dance scenes, and some clever photography to camouflage. The music, too, really belongs to 50s/60s. Some song clips of black & white era are available. As per available information, Naushad did the background score and a couple of songs.

But how does it matter. For his fans Naushad remains the Greatest Mughal of film music.

497 Gulab Shah September 4, 2015 at 12:01 pm

True everything has a life cycle. Even Genius like Naushad had to face it. Shanker Jaikishan did not have it near the end. People’s taste change. Whatever those composers gave is still so enjoyable. By the way we are forgetting songs by Roshan- Bawre Nain and Naubahar. Aire me to prem Diwani still one of the top 10 of Lataji for me. Dekhoji Mera Jiya Churaye liye jay, Kajarari Matawari madabhar do Akhiyan by Raj Kumari, Khayalomen kisike is tarah aya nahin karte,

S,D, Berman’s Chahe Kitna muzhe tum Bulaoge Nah Bolungi in Arman, what a great song. Songs from Sazza.

498 ksbhatia September 5, 2015 at 10:44 pm

SoY family ;
A very happy Janamashtmi to all of you. Here are a few of Krishna songs which are fav with me .

1.Murli bairon bhai…….. Lata……. New delhi………SJ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufVvFl5Fc6k
2.Kahan hai kahan hai kanhaiya……Lata……Kanhaiya…….SJ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIUHZANhkKY
3.O more sanware salone piya……[ same as above]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjAmLFV5SaI
4.O kanhaiya aaj aana khwab mein……[ same as above]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryZU6434RYk
5. Mohe panghat pe nand lal…… Lata…. Mu-e Azam….Naushad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khiEfXO4g9Q

List goes on into a great number ; but limiting to a few only .

499 ksbhatia September 5, 2015 at 11:21 pm

Today is Teacher’s day as well . Two songs from my side .
1. Ichak dana bichak dana………Lata., chorus….Shree 420……SJ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXxR1Fj-BQ0
Sadhna as a child student is easily recognised. Many years later she worked as heroine opposite Raj kapoor .

2.Insaaf ki dagar pe……Hemant, chorus……Ganga jamuna…Naushad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DUoUULuWNM
Aruna Irani acted as Vayijanti’s child hood role .

500 mumbaikar September 6, 2015 at 3:21 am

Bhatiaji,
THE Janamashtmi song from Khandan
Badi der bhayi nandlala
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIEzIqzyijA
I think Baby Naaz played Vyjanthimala.
Aruna Irani was Azra’s.

501 arvind September 6, 2015 at 7:42 pm

comment #499
bhatiaji,sharing :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ydFB4R6Uuo
yeh kaun chitrakar hai…/boond jo ban gayee moti/1967/mukesh/bharat vyas/satish Bhatia.

502 ksbhatia September 6, 2015 at 11:18 pm

Mumbaikar8; Arvind’ji;
Thanks for sharing the Janamasthmi and mukesh song . You are right . Vyjaintimala child hood role was played by baby naaz . My mistake.

I am still engrosed in Krishna song which I will be listing separately ; meanwhile I have come across one by the Great K L Saigal ….. Suno suno aye krishan kala……

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RolUJVMzmKw

This song I used to hum in my childhood when I was just 6 years old . This song was regularly played in Birla Mandir , New delhi [ over the loud speakers ]. Our school was adjacent to the Mandir ; as such it got engraved in my memory .

503 ksbhatia September 6, 2015 at 11:27 pm

……in continuation. One more K L Saigal song : Madhukar Shyam hamare……..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6jVPDrcQDU

504 ksbhatia September 8, 2015 at 11:59 pm

Me and my family wishes Asha ji a very happy birth day . May she live long to entertain us with melodious songs .

I am posting one of her Radha Krishna bhajan composed by Naushad .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1r9lycx2GU

505 AK September 9, 2015 at 5:53 am

My greetings too. We have a separate post on her.

506 mumbaikar8 September 9, 2015 at 5:50 pm

ksbhatiji,
your comment # 385,
.52 sec.onwards the interlude is the music you are talking about?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F0zGoypwro

507 ksbhatia September 9, 2015 at 11:20 pm

Mumbaikar8;
I think you are refering to #485 which relates to the likes of ‘ Come September ‘ and ‘ Autumn leaves’ . Yes the song….Ja ja re ja deewane ja @ .52 carries almost part of the interlude of the theme tune of Come september . I had noticed this when I saw the movie in the 60s .

508 mumbaikar8 September 10, 2015 at 7:01 am

ksbhatia,
Sorry, Yes I was referring to comment # 485, was rushing, had one more comment to make.

509 ksbhatia September 10, 2015 at 11:13 pm

Mumbaikar8, Arvinder sharma, Ashwin , Hans [ji’s] ,

I was just browsing thru’ old topics and uploads and it surprised me that starting @377 the number of songs on ‘Whistle ‘are nearing 50 . Only 4 or 5 songs are required to achieve this target . Just go down to your memory lane and see if any such hidden songs are lying some where .
I have found one which starts with duet whistles …… Mere ghunghar wale baal….. shamshad and chorus……from Pardes…..with Ghulm mohd . as MD .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvZf0T4OVhE

510 ksbhatia September 10, 2015 at 11:33 pm

SoY family ,
It is a long time we listened to Mukesh songs . Here is a gem……Tere pyar ko is tahrein bhulaana …. from Mainey jeena seekh liya with MD as Roshan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0qgF_Eydyk

511 AK September 11, 2015 at 6:02 am

KS Bhatiaji,
This song is among those which made me a great Mukesh fan. It has fihured in my ‘Mukesh’s romance with dil’.

512 Gulab shah September 11, 2015 at 10:07 am

Thinking if Janmastmi and Lord Krishna sons few come to mind:
Jay Krishna hare krishna hare, dukhiyonke dukh door kare jay jay jay Krishna hare from Shehnai music C. Ramchandra ( every song in the movie was a hit)
Main to giridharke ghar jaun by Gita Roy in Jogan
Krishna jo tum todo piya from Zanak zanak payal baje
Banvarire jineka sahara teti yad hai i think from ek phul char kante
Brijke nandlala radhake sanvaria i think from Miss Mary

513 Siddharth September 11, 2015 at 3:03 pm

AKji, Bhatiaji,
With reference to #510, reminds me of some more of my favourite Mukesh’s songs –

AANKHON MEIN TERI YAAD LIYE JAA RAHA HOON – Mukesh – HAMARI YAAD AAYEGI (1961)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hz7tp39s7bM

Jab Gham – E – Ishq Satata Hai To Hans Leta Hoon – Kinare Kinare
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOhtsfvs1X0

DIL DHOONDTA HAI SAHARE SAHARE – Mukesh – KALA AADMI (1960)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRXmmnsBbBU

514 ksbhatia September 11, 2015 at 11:30 pm

AK, Siddharth [ji’s];
Sad songs by Mukesh posted above are really gems . The more you listen the greater the desire grow for more . One thing, you have to have some time gap as well as ambience to enjoy such songs ‘with do not disturb’ board hanging outside your studio room .

Here are two of my fav.songs….
1. Do roz mein woh pyaar ka aalam……..MD…Kanu Ghosh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHz1W5nhAHg

2.Aansoo bhari hai yeh jeevan ki raahen…..MD…. Datta Ram

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETYfiRPLRDs

515 ksbhatia September 12, 2015 at 12:01 am

Gulab Shah’ji;
Thanks for reminding so many mythological songs in one go . They are all beautiful and one amongst them stands tall and that is …… tum jo toodo piya by Lataji . This song is my fav. since youth days . I think CR was at his best in Jhanak jhanak payal baaje . Vasant desai was the other MD of this catg.. Here is one of his creation…..

San sanan jare o pawan……. Lata…..from ..Sampurna ramayan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qExtyJLTeAw

516 mumbaikar8 September 12, 2015 at 4:00 am

ksbhatiaji,
A whistle song by Asha to add to you list to make it 50 up,
Aakhri Dao
Hai unki wih naigahen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HonyHUEYeQ0

517 Mahesh September 12, 2015 at 12:33 pm

https://youtu.be/-9VjDZB2P_I

Tributes to Jaikishen on his death anniversary today 12-09.
Begunaah (1957) solo song sung by Mukesh and picturised on Jaikishen himself.
The up loader of the song has also given full details of the released but banned movie.

518 ksbhatia September 12, 2015 at 1:39 pm

Mumbaiker8;
WoW ; How could I miss such a beautiful song by Madan mohan where whistle occupies 30 % of the song . Good to see Shammi ji ‘s perfection of a naughty girl enacting her whistling part as well .
Beside whistling the other great thing is the song’s interlude. A good ear bearer will notice how closely the voilene interlude resemble that of the one played in Bhag Milkha Bhag song .

519 ksbhatia September 12, 2015 at 2:36 pm

Mahesh ji;
Thanks for reminding Jaikishan’s Death Annev. Jaikishan is one of my fav. Music Director. He along with Shanker were the most sought after MDs of their time that gave magical hits in practically all the films they did in 50 thru 70s .
I was just 11 years old when the film Begunaha was released . If I remember correctly the film was withdrawn after two days of its release and was for Adults only . As for its music we were content with its songs which were played over the Radio during that time. Some of its songs paved way into binaca geetmala as well . Aye pyasse dil bejuban was my fav. also.
Jaikishan also appeared in a small role in Raj kapoor’s Shree 420 as Nadira’s drunkered husband . He can be seen dancing in the song …..Mud mud ke na dekh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ci6OfLH6Ogo

520 ksbhatia September 12, 2015 at 2:55 pm

Mumbaiker8;
Here is Bhag Milkha Bhag song that is equivalent of Akhri dao song .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60vIVA5AZ9M

521 mumbaikar8 September 12, 2015 at 10:55 pm

Ksbhatiaji,
I am impressed by your acquaintance with newer songs.
If we dig into Madan Mohan songs we might find few more whistle songs, seems he was fond of whistle.
Along with whistle songs we were discussing yodeling , I remember you were curious to know if Talat or Mukesh had yodeled , I am not aware of them but I have a song in which Ravi has done it and done it well.
This fun song from Bahu has all the flavor of Shamshad Chitalkar fun songs, the singers are Ravi and Bela Mukherjee (Hemant Kumar’s wife). Ravi starts yodeling at 1.03 and Hemant Kumar has his Nagin Been at 2.23. Have a listen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qo_kxLnkYTc

522 ksbhatia September 12, 2015 at 11:28 pm

Mumbaikar8 ;

Amazing discovery ! Never heard this song before . Its really a rare find . Yes; the subject of yodelling and whistle songs is really interesting . Ravi seems to be good at yodelling . It will be a really fun looking for Mukesh, Talat or even Hemant.
I have one more whistle song to add.

Hum to jaani pyar karega…….Asha, CR…… Baarish

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNicPnZNWo0

523 ksbhatia September 12, 2015 at 11:52 pm

in continuation…….one more whistle song …….Dil ki tammana thi masti mein…….Asha Rafi…… N Dutta……Gyaran hazar laadkiyan .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwOP75rLGSY

I think we have crossed 40 songs so far; should meet the target with more songs .

524 ksbhatia September 13, 2015 at 2:42 pm

Two more whistle songs .

Kali ke roop mein…….Asha Rafi….Nau do gyarah……..SDB

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuNTq5htE_k

Chand zaard zaard hai…..Asha Rafi…….Jaali note……..OPN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_W_Q_jf6X0

525 ksbhatia September 13, 2015 at 3:05 pm

AK’ji ;

Here is another gem of a song by Mukesh with music by Sapan jagmohan . Na jaane kahaan kho gaya woh zamana from Begaana.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0uqgH1e4dI

526 Mahesh September 13, 2015 at 4:32 pm

Bhatia ji,

Good song indeed from Beganna.
Here is one more from Sapan Jagmohan again.
Man tera tan tera (1971)

https://youtu.be/1qypUep7sEA

Incidentally both these songs feature in One song celebrity, an article by Raju Bhartan.

527 AK September 13, 2015 at 7:28 pm

KS Bhatiaji,
A quintessential Mukesh song. New for me. Thanks a lot.

528 mumbaikar8 September 13, 2015 at 9:28 pm

AK, ksbhatiaji,
Last song we had MD Ravi yodeling, this song of Naya Paisa we have Surendra yodeling with Geeta.
Can any SOYkar tell, is this the actor singer Surendra?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=19&v=3QIgsXDGu3M

529 ksbhatia September 13, 2015 at 11:52 pm

AK , Mahesh [ji’s] ;

Thanks a lot for appreciating the songs . I am looking to sort of best of B grade Music directors who could not make to A grade , though they have given beautiful songs .

One such song from …Puran Milan…..Zindagee hum tabah kar baithee….Asha, Mubarak begam…….music …C Arjun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLxX4A0-z9I

530 ksbhatia September 14, 2015 at 12:10 am

Mumbaikar 8 ;

Do you belong to Discovery channel ? Singers other than Kishore and Rafi Yodelling ? I would never have ever thought ; even in my dreams . This is a rarest of the rare song and so melodious . Surendra did a great job . We do need to find some more such song . I am still hunting of Gope/ Bhagwan/ Yakub yodly song on Google and YouTube .

S .Mohinder again was a good Music Director . He also belonged to B catg.but had all the potential to be at par with A grade MDs . His music in Nanak naam jahaaj hai was superb . Each shabad from gurubani is listener’s delight .

531 gaddeswarup September 14, 2015 at 12:19 pm

This might have been posted already. Manna Dey too did some yodelling in Piya Milan Ki aas 1961 ‘picnic me Tok til’ http://youtu.be/4FE1WrzTSI8

532 A . N. GANDHE September 14, 2015 at 1:43 pm

Sorry for the delay. but i feel one song you all great masters have missed on Janmashtmi is” bata do koi koun gali gaye shyam” from MADHU by mannadaey- MD i think is Roshan

533 ksbhatia September 14, 2015 at 11:21 pm

Gaddeswarup’ji ;

The song qualifies to be included in whistle song as well and thanks for that. What surprise me is its MD S N Tripathi who is known to be the master of his own field i.e. mythological and social movie songs . Here doing a rock and roll is a great deviation from the normal .
If one listen to the song minutely one will observe how closely new generation Three Idiot song ….Zoobi doobi…….. resemble its tune, rhythm and beats . Of course sound clarity and hi fi recording would be an issue in between its comparison.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jvHPae4FTE
I have to look for other Manna deys yodley songs as i was not aware of his such songs .

534 gaddeswarup September 15, 2015 at 4:07 am

ksbhatia ji, Sorry that I did not post a better version. I did not know about the song and just searched for yodelling songs by Manna Dey since I thought he could have done it. There are much better versions on youtube.

535 ksbhatia September 16, 2015 at 11:36 pm

Gaddeswarup’ji;

Your search is our gain . Once again thanks for your efforts .
Coming back to some classical- semi mythological songs , I have chosen one very sweetly rendered song by Lataji for its sweet voice and beautiful composition by KA. …..Koyi kahe koyi man basiya……from Madari

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rvz_pfl8Y50

Here is one of Sj’s best of classical song ……. Man mohana bade jhoothey…….from Seema .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewi3GN7RKNc

After listening to Lataji’s song I can’t miss Mannadey’s gem…….Bairan ho gai raina…….from Dekh Kabira Roiya with music by MM.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGTlCMEbP7s

Both these films were released some time during 19 56/57 and one can trace the style and trend of music during that time .

536 gaddeswarup September 19, 2015 at 6:23 am

Sudha Malhotra or Suman Kalyanpur? http://youtu.be/ATO-V7TU-QM

537 mumbaikar8 September 19, 2015 at 6:32 am

Suman Kalyanpur.

538 ksbhatia September 19, 2015 at 11:56 pm

Hans’ji ;

Refer to your quote ….. Khali pocket rakhte hain per foto Geeta Bali ki….. Instead of foto watch this great actress performing a beautiful dance number composed by non other than Naushad from Dulari beautifully rendered by Shamshad Begum . Note how Geeta bali’s dance movements and expression changes with lyrics and rhythm of the song .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9N0x0zRFBgs

539 ksbhatia September 20, 2015 at 12:13 am

Delhi and NCR is in mids of Light showers ; perhaps for the good bye to monsoon. It is really fine weather for listener of some light songs and music .

Here is a light waltz number from Nausherwan -e-adil …… Dhimi dhimi hai…… Lata ji …..CR.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkkGsyYCmmI

540 gaddeswarup September 28, 2015 at 3:02 am
541 AK September 28, 2015 at 5:49 am

Gaddeswarupji,
Thanks a lot for the link.

542 ksbhatia September 28, 2015 at 2:55 pm

Gaddeswarupji” , AKji;
The article on …Journey thru’ Lata’s songs …… @ 540 made an interesting reading and listening to some of the rare songs . What is more interesting is to know how ones life and career gets moulded with the passing of time thru listening . I think this is essential as you approach your retiring time , you have to have such hobbies and habits of exploring whatever comes .
Good to know how many such happy members of the likes of SoY exists in this world . Hats of to AKji .

543 mumbaikar8 October 2, 2015 at 7:06 am
544 Ashok Kumar Tyagi October 2, 2015 at 9:59 pm

Remembering SD Burman and Majrooh on their birthday – 1st October
They came into Hindi films within a few years of each other.
Majrooh came with film Shahjehan. He went on and on and is perhaps the lyricist with the longest time span in Hindi films. He was quite active till late eighties. His last film however came in 2003. Thus the time span is approx 47 years. Leaving time span aside, quality of his songs make him immortal. He showed his mettle whether the song represented a tragic moment in the film or a hilarious moment.
One need not say anything about SD Burman.
Since the birthday of Lata Mangeshkar was celebrated last week, I remember her song in film Guide, composed by SD Burman:
Mose chhal kiye jaye hai re hai dekho saiyan beimaan.
It is a very difficult song to render. I do not remember anybody trying to sing this song on stage in a show/concert. The tabla accompaniment by Pandit Shamta Prasad is marvelous.
i bow to these great stalwarts.

545 AK October 2, 2015 at 11:20 pm

Ashok Kumar Tyagi,
SD Burman too came to Hindi films in the same year with Eight Days.

546 Ashok Kumar Tyagi October 3, 2015 at 7:59 pm

e AK ji
Thanks.
It is ironical that Majrooh had a large number of films With SD Burman and Pancham of next generation and he outlasted both of them. God’s Will is unfathomable.
Pancham oncc narrated an anacdote on radio. Roshan, while preparing tune for a Majrooh song for film Mamta just could not work around it because the tunes he made which were acceptable to himself were very closely resembling SD Burman’s composition “Chand phir nikla” for film Paying Guest. Roshan rang up SD Burman , read out the song – Rahen na rahen hum – and told about his dilemma. Burman, being a very sporting man, told Roshan that Majrooh has done his part remarkably well and changing the lyrics would not be prudent. Hence Burman suggested a few tips which would erase the similarity with “Chand phir nikla” tune. Roshan did the rest and a beautiful song got created. Thank God for giving to the film world such great persons as SD Burman and Roshan.

547 AK October 3, 2015 at 9:06 pm

Ashok Kumar Tyagi,
Probably you mean Ye thandi hawayein.

548 Ashok Kumar Tyagi October 5, 2015 at 2:39 pm

AK ji,
Not really sure. I live in Delhi and not well connected with persons who have a very deep knowledge of Hindustani classical/light music. Will have to check out, which SD Burman song that was (out of the two).
Thanks a lot.

549 ksbhatia October 9, 2015 at 11:53 pm

AK ‘ji ;
Vintage melody at its best . Yes, hearing is in belief mode . My good night song .

Ab aayee basant bahar….Saugandh [ 1942] movie….Ashit Baran…..music by Raichand boral .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTDq1UGKLOE

550 ksbhatia October 11, 2015 at 11:38 pm

SJ fans ;
Hear Mera naam joker [ 1970 ] song ……Jaane kahan gaye woh din……as background music @ 1: 53:52 of RK’s Aah , a 1953 movie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpkWkZ6Kf0Y

That means the joker song was composed seventeen years earlier . Likewise , there is a hint of Sangam song …. dost dost na raha…. appearing as background music in Awara and repeated in Shree420 as well . There must be many tunes in R K ‘s music bank ; and in some one’s possesion , which I think , are yet to see the day light . Sun baba sun …pyar ki dhun… is one SJ’s tune which was used by Ravindra jain in R K ‘s movie Ram teri ganga maili . This fact was confirmed by Hasrat Jaipuri in one of his interviews available on youtube / google .

551 Gulabshah October 12, 2015 at 12:54 am

One of the Shree 420 songs had the tune for Kisiki Muskarahaton pe ho nisar. I have heard tunes for later songs in barsat songs also as well as in other songs too. I think this is true for others also like Madan Mohan, O.P. nayyar.

552 A . N. GANDHE October 12, 2015 at 10:35 am

Dear All

You can also hear o basanti pawan Pagal and “Namagu sona chandi” from bobby in Awara distinctly

553 A . N. GANDHE October 12, 2015 at 12:20 pm

Dear AKji,
Any idea about Ajit marchent composer of that beauty from Sapera?

554 Mahesh October 12, 2015 at 3:28 pm

Dear all,
A long time since we had a gems of ghazal emperor Talat Mahmood at one place.
A few melodies of the velvet voice….all featuring the word “shaam”. Hope you like them.

https://youtu.be/c3o6RAlUPP0

https://youtu.be/YxhYv53iCzI

https://youtu.be/YmuREyUwd38

https://youtu.be/qYrzOxANjj4

I am sure there are more songs of Talat saab featuring the word “shaam”. Can we have more please.

555 AK October 12, 2015 at 6:30 pm

Mahesh,
You have added the best of ‘shaam’songs of Talat Mahmood. The second one Har sham sham-e-gham hai was new to me. Thanks a lot. It is interesting the metaphor of shaam-e-gham occurs so frequently in these songs. A point to ponder – can we infer that even for the most melancholic person the morning was not one of despondency?

556 AK October 13, 2015 at 10:14 pm

AN Gandhe,
It was quite comon in early RK films to have tunes in the background music which later became full-fledged songs in films. But this was not unique to RK-SJ. If you are attentive you would notice Naushad, Salil Chaudhary and most major composers have used pieces from their background score as tunes for songs in later films.

Ajit Merchant is a doyen of Gujarati music. He didn’t have a very successful career in Hindi films, though many of his tunes are outstanding. SoY has a post on him, written by the guest author Ashok M Vaishnav, in the series on ‘Forgotten Composers’. You can see its link on the sidebar.

557 Gulabshah October 14, 2015 at 5:03 am

Mr. Gandhe,

Where can i locate mr. Vaishnav’s article on Ajit Merchant. Sorry i can not see it on the side bar.

Did Ajit Merchant compose music for Warasdar? Songs fron that movie were so popular when i was growing up.

558 AK October 14, 2015 at 6:53 am

AK Gandhe, Gulab Shah,
I am utterly sorry, I mixed up with Avinash Vyas. Please ignore my comments. There is no post yet on Ajit Merchant on SoY.

559 ksbhatia October 18, 2015 at 1:18 pm

AKji; Forgotten melodies of forgotten Music Directors gave us an in-depth richness of the songs to cherish even after decades of time lapse . Continuing my dig on such melodies of still unknown MDs , I incidently hit upon songs composed by Pundit Govind Ram . He had to his credit a number of films that were produced between mid 40s and mid 50s ; and featured a number of good stars of that times like Dilip kumar [ Ghar ki Izzat ] ,Mumtaz shanti , nalini , Gope, Jeevan etc.

Listening to some of his songs was a treat to me . The following samplers shows how close his creation was with that of Husanlal Bhagatram , Gulam mohd and Sajjad hussain .

1. Tune jahan bana kar……1949….Lata…..Maa ka Pyar…….Gobind Ram

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umtX0qi85aM&index=4&list=PLO5xn0KW97nz61FM0F7-BTn2gzrgdfO-A

2. Meri kasam tumhen ……1955….Asha……Naqaab……GR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSCh-K3CSbA&index=5&list=PLO5xn0KW97nz61FM0F7-BTn2gzrgdfO-A

3.Kari kari andhiyari mein….1952….Lata…..Jalpari…….GR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klj0ha7B4Hw

4. Wah re zamane kya rang …1948 ….Rafi….Ghar ki izzat……GR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p_l_XhfcpM

5.Haye dard jara dum le…..1948 …….Shamshad…Ghar ki izzat……GR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3yFVRtqf-s .

There are many good songs by Gobind Ram which are awaiting hearing.

560 gaddeswarup October 18, 2015 at 3:23 pm

ksbahatiyaji at #549, That last song does not seem to be by Shamshad Begum. Several other uploiads say Amirbai Karnataki.

561 AK October 18, 2015 at 10:24 pm

KS Bhatiaji,
Govind Ram has given some of the best songs for Shamshad Begum and several other vintage singers. Thanks a lot for making a special mention of him. The last song seems to be Amirbai Karnataki. This is a re-recording of the same song which he had composed for Zamana (1938).

562 ksbhatia October 18, 2015 at 11:23 pm

AK, Gaddeswarup’ji[s] ;
Thanks for the correction . The last song really is by Amirbai Karnatki. Iwas also not sure of Shamshad as up loader of the song did mention Shamshad as singer .
Since the song is played over the Radio I think we have to believe that the song is from Zamana and Gobind Ram belongs to late 30s era as well .

What really impressed me is song no 2 . The Asha’s rendering and the musical interlude and style matches that of Sajjad hussain …… the likes of Rustam sorab songs .

563 A . N. GANDHE October 20, 2015 at 6:13 pm

I feel you must write an artical about “unsung songs” of Shankar jaikishan from 50s. From films like Aas, parbat,Poonam, Aurat,Ambar Mayurpankh etc. it will be interesting reading. no doubt our great readers will knowing all about them.

564 AK October 20, 2015 at 9:41 pm

AN Gandhe,
You mean songs sung by minor singers, watched by silent lead actors? Anu Warrier has recently written on this on her blog.

565 A . N. GANDHE October 21, 2015 at 4:56 pm

what I meant by unsung songs was good songs form films of 50s created by Shankar Jaikishan. Songs were very good but could not get due recongnition because films were flops. Films likeAas, parbat, Poonam, Aurat, Ambar Mayurpankh,Halaku, Badshah.

I hope i make my self clear.

566 Hans October 21, 2015 at 7:29 pm

SOY friends. Today is Shammi Kapoor’s birthday. I present a song composed by Roshan and naturally sung by Rafi, who was Shammi’s favourite singer.

Ghame hasti se bas begana hota – Vallah Kya Baat Hai (1962)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XImjIHXDvwE

567 AK October 21, 2015 at 8:40 pm

AN Gandhe,
You are quite clear. SJ deserve a series on them, when these films would seriously figure.

568 ksbhatia October 21, 2015 at 11:21 pm

AK’ji ;
I entirely agree with A N Gandhe ji . Series on SJ could be in two parts ; one with Hit movies and the second with not so hit movies . I some time feels the songs of not so hit movies were as good as any other movie . Series on songs/ music of RK movies could be another one to roll on .

569 ksbhatia October 22, 2015 at 12:24 am

Hans’ji ;

Thanks for the Shammi kapoor song that remind me of his good old days as a most sought after romantic hero of his time and as a contributer to intense transition musical journey from vintage , golden, and modern ; dancing taps on the beats of dholok , ghungroo, guitar and then to drums ,bongo ,guitar and finally to Saxophone and piano . His screen love songs are permanently etched in heart and head of the listeners .

Here are a few of my fav. of Shammi kapoor songs :

1.Cham cham lo suno…..Mannadey, Lata,chorus……Ujaala…..SJ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SM4mgXpAsM

2.Bolo bolo kuchh to bolo….Rafi…..Dil Deke Dekho……Usha Khanna

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qcr16Be_oEU

3.Tumne kisi ki jaan ko…..Rafi….Rajkumar…….SJ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwfqaXbobDI

4.Khuli palak mein jhootha ……Rafi…..Professor….SJ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUu0Z2CF9iY

5.Hai duniya usiki……Rafi….Kashmir ki Kali…….O P Nayyar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GTCf-5dXj0

6. Dil ke jharokhe mein …..Rafi……Bramchari……..SJ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIYuDikff6Y

7.Taarif karoon kya uski……Rafi …..Kashmir ki kali …..O P Nayyar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPGIPmMaZVQ

Happy Birth Day remembrence of Shammi Kapoor .

570 gaddeswarup October 22, 2015 at 8:35 am

Hindi to Telugu.
C.Ramachandra JAWANI KI RAIL CHALI JAYE RE, Shehnai 1947
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVU-LNCiHWc&feature=related
From Penki Pellam 1956, MD: K.Prasada Rao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVU-LNCiHWc&feature=related

571 Ravindra Kelkar October 22, 2015 at 8:24 pm

Dear All,
Recently, I came across an article in prominent newspaper, on the topic of Asha Bhosale’s marriage with RD Burman. The article implied that there is no official evidence of Asha-RD marriage. It also says that Kishore Kumar, who was a very close friend of RD, was in charge of the ceremony & Kishore Kumar asked the photographer to load a blank role. It seems there is not a single photograph of the event. It’s reasonable to assume that RD was aware of this. This news came as a real shock.
This made me wonder, whether all those songs (where many feel that Kishore has outshone Rafi) like “Tum Bin Jaoon Kahan” & “Yadon Ki Barat Nikali Hai”, etc. were stage managed by RD deliberately, to show Rafi in a lesser light & consequently boost up Kishore Kumar.

572 AK October 22, 2015 at 9:47 pm

Ravindra Kelkar,
This story makes no sense to me. The whole world knew they were married. They never tried to contradict either. So what is the author trying to prove? OK, they were not married. So what?

The second part has left me equally confused. I am a Rafi fan. I kept Kishore Kumer not after Rafi, but after him, Mukesh, Talat Mahmood, Hemant Kumar etc. but post-69 I feel KK was The playback singer. Tum bin jaaun kahan KK has sung like KK, Rafi like Rafi. KK sounds better to me. I don’t see any controversy here.

573 AK October 22, 2015 at 9:50 pm

Gaddeswarupji,
It seems you have added the link of the Hindi song twice.

574 ksbhatia October 22, 2015 at 11:34 pm

Hans ‘ji ;
Similar tune/ song of N. Dutta found after a time lapse :

Tu hindu banega na ……Rafi……Dhool ka phool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqcyUkUFzrc

Kya kya na sitam tujh pe huye …..Rafi….Mohini

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTn5EX9tpSE

575 Gaddeswarup October 23, 2015 at 6:40 am

@570,572 sorry. This is the Telugu version. Probably more an adoption but the theme, parts of the tune are similar
http://youtu.be/Pbf6nycgqAA

576 mumbaikar8 October 24, 2015 at 4:17 am

AK, ksbhatiaji,
Is this a twin song?
Geeta chorus Happy version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjqNfzgtH2k
Lata Happy and sad dual emotions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8MDKL1-_NY

577 AK October 24, 2015 at 5:33 am

Mumbaikar8,
Only the first few words are similar. The tune too seems to be very different. But I have to thank you for the wonderful Lata Mangeshkar song. Slow antara, fast refrain – this is a unique class of songs.

578 ksbhatia October 24, 2015 at 11:36 pm

Mumbaiker8,
This is a tough question . I am hearing both the song for the first time . I endorse the views of AK ji . The second song is almost of the like of ….Ja ja re jaa sajna…..by Lata , Asha from Adalat . Depending upon the story the situation seems to be similar in both the movies [Riyasat , Adalat ] ., happy and sad as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJ_5wSbQB-I

579 ksbhatia October 24, 2015 at 11:48 pm

A N Gandhe ji ;
Here is a Lata ji’s song from a lesser known movie Naya Ghar with Shanker Jaikishan as MDs . Though I am a great fan of SJ this song and movie was not in my listings earlier . Hearing now , however ; is a pleasure .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OHYl9-Xa2g

580 ksbhatia October 26, 2015 at 12:43 am

Today is the day of remembrance of the great poet and song writer Sahir ludhianvi being his birthday . A gem of a person that has given so much hit song that made him rule along with other top notch writers for almost four decades . A most respected lyric writer amongst producers and music directors .

I present here a few of my fav. songs in his remembrance :

1. Hum aapki aankhoan mein……Rafi, Geeta dutt…..Pyaasa ….S D B

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuLtVjMA_ek

2.Maayus to hoon wade pe tere……Rafi……Barsaat ki raat…..Roshan .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nah9UFqDLXw

3. Aana hai to aa raha mein……Rafi…..Naya Daur……..O P N

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpHDzsgmcPI

4. Chalo ek baar phir se……M K ….Gumrah……Ravi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzbO1mjFPOM&list=PLBwWPnIPFTi4rpco476vAukWSVPWCUX5j&index=3

5. Tadbeer se bigdi hui …..Geeta Dutt….Baazi……S D B

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgwfvDh7cPc

6.Dil jale to jale……Lata…..Taxi driver…..S D B

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyvmSkuYoPo

7. Phaili hui hain sapnoan ki bahen….Lata…..House no 44…S D B

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lxf-n4eMkHw

8. Itnee haseen itni jawan raat….Rafi…..Aaj aur kal……Ravi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aspnHWvms6E

…………..and many more…….

581 AK October 26, 2015 at 5:11 am

Bhatiaji,
I join in paying my respects to the great poet. Someone cited ten songs and stated there was a patriotic poet, there was a cynical poet, there was a confident poet, there was a rebel poet, there was a romantic poet, and so on. And all this was of course Sahir.

582 A . N. GANDHE October 26, 2015 at 10:32 am

Shri KS Bhatiyaji,
Song from naya Ghar was yet another testimony of greatness of SJ. They had this great capacity to churn out song after song all very sweet and HIT.

583 A . N. GANDHE October 26, 2015 at 10:40 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KZ9SuYrjww&list=RD8KZ9SuYrjww#t=9
Yet another song from Naya ghar which i remembered just now.

584 ksbhatia October 26, 2015 at 1:46 pm

AK’ji;
You have sum up Sahir’s personality in one sentence ; and that was really sahir . I was trying to search the best song of sahir but could not . Even it is difficult to choose the best amongst the 8 songs of my listing ; implying whatever he has written are gems and jewels .

585 ksbhatia October 26, 2015 at 1:57 pm

A N Gandhe’ji ;
Thanks for the beautiful song . You are right SJ had this capacity to give their best even to less known producer of budget movies .
Two more songs of Naya Ghar which i had heard in my child hood but never knew who the M D was .
1. Laga kar dil pareshan hai…….Lata
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAxKxWmlDqg
2.Unhe tu bhool ja aiye dil………Talat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9WnC045SQw

586 A . N. GANDHE October 26, 2015 at 4:53 pm

Shri kS Bhatiyaji
Thanks for these two jems. i am sure such beauty are hidden in most of films of SK of 50s

587 mumbaikar8 October 26, 2015 at 4:55 pm

ksbhatiaji,
My share of remembering (romantic) Sahir
Pyar par bas to nahin hai Sone ki chidiya
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_yn4FxxTEU
Abhi na jao chood kar Hum Dono
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v20a_MDLOkU

588 ksbhatia October 27, 2015 at 12:01 am

Mumbaikar8 ,
Both the songs are my all time fav. Ashaji’s humming in… pyar par bus to nahin hai… is very sweet that adds to talat’s velvet voice . Very romantic song.
Here are few of my all time fav. of Sahir songs with S . D. Burman :

1.Thandi hawayein lehrate ayen…..Lata…….S D B
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1TtVax2t-s
2.Tum na jaane kis jahan……Lata……S D B
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ViU4snrErE
3.Dil se mila ke dil pyar…….Lata…..S D B
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIxUXeecrBo
4.Dil jale to jale……..Lata…….S D B
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A90cULM-60
5. Yeh kaun aaya ki mere dil……Geeta dutt……S D B

589 ksbhatia October 27, 2015 at 12:27 am

A N Gandhe’ji;
Here are a few more from the SJ booty of gems and jewels :
1. Bada julm dekha hamne……Lata…..Aurat…..S J
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A90cULM-60
Beautiful touching melody supported by awesome sad interludes .
2. Dard e jigar tehr jara…….Lata……Aurat…..S J
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbzvCcjhIPI
Another beautiful touching melody.
3.Do din ke liye mehmaan …..Lata…..Baadal…..S J
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDhui6Wl1k
4. Unse pyar ho gaya……Lata…..Baadal…..S J
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjFt7DjRsY8
………and Shanker Jaikishan melodies will continue….as times goes by……

590 A . N. GANDHE October 27, 2015 at 4:52 pm

Some more jems from SJ stable O more balama – Poonam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4ESVX4mRGs
kali ghata ghir aaye re
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3teobBtp_UA
Humse na poochoo koi pyaar kaya hai- kali ghata
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5DMkYadubM
Dare ulfat chhupaon kahan- aurat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iir16Penack
Naino se naine hua chaar- Aurat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpJr40FpS5M
Suna Suna hai jahan- Aurat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lpAFbOsafM
Ulfat ka saaz chhedo- Aurat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLpC77POXi0
Gul muskura utha – Badshah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uXxIZVpB3c
Chhun chhun Chhun baze payal- Humlog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XNxU8LNOGc
Khushiyon ke chaan muskaraye re0 mayurpankh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uewNzviWCdc
Mohabbat ki dastan aaj sunao- Mayur pankh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP0hcdGEiCg
Main to chalu pachim poorab chale duniya- maurpankh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6UBjQcnSMA
Tune haaye mere jakhme jigar ko- nagina
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gic7iVKDnP8
Haaye mera dil le gaya- Parabat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UH_XZSzbZA
Chanda ki chanadi mein – Poonam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgAPmR_quXg
Aaye aaye raat suhani sun le dil ki kahani- Poonam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfP7G4yunJM&list=RDdgAPmR_quXg&index=14
Din suhane mausam bahar ka
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljqNGjsulLQ
Ab to aa jao balam- poonam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7spRaU7E2Hc
I hope you appreciate this effort

591 mumbaikar8 October 27, 2015 at 5:47 pm

Hans,
You are well versed in Punjabi songs.
I do not understand Punjabi very well, what I can understand, it looks like a twin song.
A Punjabi song from Geet Baharan De is remade in Hindi movie Bhavna,
The information of the Music Directors of both these movies is inconclusive.
The Punjabi MD is S Mohinder? Or Hans Raj? Hindi Jaidev? or Ravinder Jain?
Punjabi song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0opBIbexZxs
Hindi song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zm5grHz_M-Q

592 AK October 27, 2015 at 8:29 pm

KS Bhatiaji, AN Gandhe
Thanks a lot for mentioning so many of SJ gems. Bhatiaji, your link of Bada zulm dekha humne is not correct, inadvertently Dil jale to jale has been repeated. But don’t worry, I herd this song on YT.

AN Gandhe,
A small correction: Chhun chhun chhun baje payal mori from Hum Log is composed by Roshan.

593 ksbhatia October 27, 2015 at 11:36 pm

A N Gandhe’ji ;
WOWoooo. The great listing of SJ’s melodies . All the songs I think belong to 19 50-55 period and are my fav. too . Those were the days when melody was king and S J were at peak of their career . Every song they composed turned out to be gold irrespective of films box office status . I thankfully appreciate your efforts to locate such songs and collect them at one place.
Din suhane mausam bahar ka……song from Poonam …is melodious and new to me . Gul muskura utha……from Badshah , is happy version of ….Rula kar chal diye ek din…..by Hemant kumar .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE1LzMHt1DE

Another beautiful romantic song from the same film :

Aa neele gagan tale pyar hum karen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnOFZw8wElg

Once again thanks for contributing to SJ booty of gems and jewels .

594 ksbhatia October 27, 2015 at 11:44 pm

A K ji;
My mistake . Correction follows :
Bada zulm dekha zamzne mein humne…….Lata…….Badal…..S J.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wREkMEKGni4

595 A . N. GANDHE October 28, 2015 at 12:12 pm

Dear AK,
Noted for Hum log. Some more follows
Aaj maane na mora jiya- Badal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYINzs2DqCs
Sunte the naam hum- Aah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DTfnH8N994

596 ksbhatia October 29, 2015 at 12:24 am

Mumbaikar8;
After yoddling and whistle song I am opening pandora of wai wai songs . This idea came to my mind after listening to my lunch time music which had theme of Western songs and music of Hollywood . The song …Ayi ai ai ai …by Joni Harms propted me to open the counter part Wai Wai songs of Bollywood .There are quite a number of such songs , may be more in B grade movies than A grade ones . Feroz khan, Azit , Dara singh , Mahipal etc did many Arabian nights fantasy type movies where Helen , J Shree T , Meena T , Bela bose , Kum kum ….all contributed to such musical dance numbers . Movies made by Basant and Homi Wadia carried such songs extensively.

Hollywood Western song……Ay yi yi yi……Joni harms

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zks8L7t5yPA&index=8&list=PL417AF501A6813964

1. Chala dildar vai vai……Lata….Duniya na mane…….M M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ6rIESoguY

2.Meri ja meri ja……Lata…..Yahudi……..S J

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwianm8SOGk

3.Yaar wai wai yaar wai wai….Lata, C R…..Sargam……C R

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOA0jdzI_lQ

4.Daga daga wai wai…..Lata…Kali topi lal rumal….Chitrgupt

5. Tujko mein jaan gayee…..Lata, Rafi…..Zabak…..Chitrgupt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRONr9c3Q2M

6. Wai wai qurbaan o meri jaan…..Rafi ,TunTun…..Khufia mahal…MD[?]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTx6mQmuW3w

……..There is one more song of a film starring Ajit which i am not able to locate . I think Usha khanna is M D of that film .

Here are a few of Wai Wai songs :

597 ksbhatia October 29, 2015 at 12:28 am

in continuation…….missed the link to Daga daga wai wai wai….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgKjG8eZekQ

598 mumbaikar8 October 30, 2015 at 5:34 pm

Ksbhatiaji,
I will enjoy the “wai wai” songs you have uploaded. I am sorry I cannot remember any song with “wai wai” right now.

599 A . N. GANDHE October 30, 2015 at 6:40 pm

Mumbaikar8
Idid not know three so many songs with Wai wai. May that film you mentioned is Kabulikhan as ajit.

600 A . N. GANDHE October 30, 2015 at 6:49 pm

Any update on Lala Asar Sattar. I think they were three different persons? I just heard main to tere haseen khayalon mein kho gaya from Sangram

601 mumbaikar8 October 30, 2015 at 7:31 pm

A . N. GANDHE
I think there is a confusion.
Ksbhatiaji has uploaded wai wai songs, I am surprised too that there are so many wai wai songs.

602 ksbhatia October 30, 2015 at 11:00 pm

Today is Karva chauth and here is a lovely song on chand..

Gali mein aaj chand nikla……Alka yagnit……Zakhm……M D [?]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrQyvda9AkQ [Happy]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVyPHLfYNGY [ Sad]

603 viswanathan sk November 3, 2015 at 8:47 am

i will be grateful if anyone could translate this song from bombai ki babu
dev anand and suchitra sen
देखने मे भोला है दिल का सलोना
बंबई से आया है बाबू चिनन्ना

गली गली गाँव की रे जागी है सोते सोते
फिर से लागे है ऐसा फिर से लागे है ऐसा
हुए हम छोटे छोटे
संग लेके आया है मेरा बचपना
बंबई से आया है बाबू चिनन्ना

निकी मुन्नी, नूर बेगम उसे ना बनाना जी
हसीनो का शहज़ादा है हसीनो का शहज़ादा है
हँसी ना उड़ाना जी
दिल उड़ा ले जाएगा छोड़ो बचपना
बंबई से आया है बाबू चिनन्ना

सुनो मगर शहज़ादे जी कही भूल मत जाना
बुरी है यह नैनोवाली, बुरी है यह नैनोवाली
बनाती है दीवाना
गाँव है यह परियों का दिल को बचना
बंबई से आया है बाबू चिनन्ना

604 A . N. GANDHE November 3, 2015 at 5:14 pm

A piece on Ajit merchant

Ajit Merchant was born to lawyer of Mumbai. His family was natively belonged to Bet Dwarka. He was introduced to music by his father who used to take him to concerts of various musicians like Abdul Karim Khan. He was trained in music by Shivkumar Shukla.

He was married to Nilamben.
Career

Merchant was a stage actor before venturing into music. He received the best actors award in Mumbai State Drama Festival for his role in Pragji Dosa’s play Anahat Naad.

He was invited by Chandravadan Mehta for his radio programme Ek Daayro in 1945. He presented some songs like ‘Ekvar Ghogha Jajo Re Gheriya’ and ‘Pandadi Shi Hodi’. He impressed radio station director and started performing on radio. After leaving All India Radio, he was involved with Navi Rangbhoomi. He composed music of more than 250 Gujarati, Hindi and Marathi stage plays.

He reached his popularity with his film Divadandi (1950). He produced the film with story written by Chandravadan Mehta and screenplay by Barkat Virani ‘Befam’. Though the film was moderately successful, a song Taro Aankhno Afeeni was huge hit. The music was composed by Ajit himself and was sung by Dilip Dholakia. The song is still popular across Gujarat.

He was neighbor of Hindi playback singer, Mukesh and he agreed him to sing for his compositions in some Gujarati films like Kariyavar and Lagna Mandap. He composed a gazal, Raat Khamosh Hai which was later sung by Jagjit Singh and included in his album, Muntazir.

He died on 18 March 2011.
Filmography

He composed and directed music of several Hindi films like Sapera (1961), Refugee (1948), Indra Leela (1956), Challenge (1964), Chandi Pooja (1957), Lady Killer (1968), Ram Bhakta Vibhishan (1958), Raj Kumari (1955); and Gujarati films like Divadandi (1950), Kariyavar (1948), Lagna Mandap, Bahuroopi.
Awards

He was awarded Lifetime Achievement award by Maharashtra Rajya Gujarati Sahitya Akademi in 2007

605 AK November 3, 2015 at 5:36 pm

AN Gandhe,
Thanks a lot for this detailed information.

606 A . N. GANDHE November 3, 2015 at 5:38 pm

Dear AK
I feel it should go in to the section of forgotten composers. Kindly do the needful. I trying to search Lala+Asar+Sattar also.

607 Gulab shah November 4, 2015 at 7:00 am

Thanks Mr. Gandhe for info on Ajit Merchant. There was another song from Diwadandi which was quite popular. Vagda vache talavadi ne talavadine teer. Also I think there were hit songs in Kariavar but i do not remember. Do you know who was the M.D. For Warasdar? It had sfew big hits like Kadkabalis kadka balis kadkabalis kare boot palis.

608 AK November 4, 2015 at 2:34 pm

SK Vishwanathan,
Welcome to Songs of Yore. Let me try to give you a rough translation.
Oh, he looks so innocent and of lovely heart
The adorable Babu has come from Bambai

Every street of the village has woken up from sleep
Again it looks as if we have become small kids
He has brought my childhood alive with him
The adorable Babu has come from Bambai

Nikki, Munni, Noor Begum, don’t tease him
He is a Prince Charming for beautiful damsels
Don’t make fun of him
He will sweep your heart away, don’t be kiddish
The adorable Babu has come from Bambai

But, listen O Prince, don’t forget
This doe-eyed girl is dangerous
And makes guys intoxicated
This village is of fairies, try to protect your heart
The adorable Babu has come from Bambai

609 gaddeswarup November 4, 2015 at 3:22 pm

Kishore Kumar singing a classical https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DEWr1H5INQ
Mukesh singing in the same raag https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlbI7WXnh4E

610 AK November 4, 2015 at 6:00 pm

Gaddeswarupji,
Both Payalwaali dekhana and Matwaali naar thumak thumak chali jaye are my favourites. Thanks for mentioning the songs.

611 ksbhatia November 4, 2015 at 10:28 pm

AK’ji ;
Both the songs very close to my fav. …. Tum toh pyar ho sajni….by Rafi , Lata from Sehra. Music by Ramlal is superb.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnZrEwqeHmU

612 Viswanathan sk November 5, 2015 at 12:24 am

Dear AK,
Thanks for your translation of Bombai ke babu song
Can u suggest me a few websites where I can the translation of classical songs in Hindi

613 ksbhatia November 10, 2015 at 11:55 pm

My family joins me in sending Diwali greetings To S o Y families and wish the grand event brings all the happiness and joy to every one . A funny song from our side by Geeta dutt ….Pom pom pom baja bole….. Aasmaan[1952]…O P Nayyar ….. for joyful diwali .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PovD-ZkFr7c

614 Hans November 16, 2015 at 2:05 am

Mumbaikar8, (comment 591)
Great observation for a person not knowing Panjabi. The MD for Bhavna is Jaidev. The name of MD for the Panjabi song is just a guess because there are no reliable records kept and various uploads show various names. My guess is Hans Raj Behl, because I have listened to 2-3 similar compositions from him in Hindi films. And also in that period he was ruling Panjabi cinema. The Hindi song is a complete translation of the Panjabi song and the lyricist in both cases is Naqsh Lyallpuri, who was from Panjab area and knew both languages well.

615 Bal gupta November 20, 2015 at 11:14 am

Where can I get video audio of the song
Meri Pooja Na Thukrana, Ho Meri Pooja Na Thukrana from Duniya Kya Jane (1971). Shankar Jaikishan. Rajinder Krishan. Suman Kalyanpur.

616 viswanathan sk November 20, 2015 at 2:51 pm

I will be grateful if you could suggest me a few websites where I can get old hindi song translation in English

617 AK November 20, 2015 at 4:35 pm

Vishwanathan SK,
I am not aware of any site devoted to translation of Hindi songs to English. I do it myself off and on. Atul Song A Day, too, sometimes posts translations. My criteria is simple. The lyric should be such that it sounds lyrical in translation too.

618 A . N. GANDHE November 20, 2015 at 6:32 pm

In my series of Forgotten composers
Iqbal Qureshi:
Iqbal Quereshi was always interested in songs and singing . He started his career by singing for All India Radio .He later began composing music for movies like Sipah Salaar, Panchayat, Pahadi Nagin, Fauladi Mukka, Night Bird, Teer Andaz etc. His last films as composer, by the name Ikbal Gill, was for Kaala Coat , Jaan Pehchan, both released in the early 90s. The irony is that his movies and compositions often got easily mixed with another composer called Iqbal Qureshi .
Iqbal Qureshi also worked with almost all the big names in playback singing like Suman Kalyanpur, Asha Bhonsle, Mohammed Rafi, Mubarak Begum, Lata Mangeshkar, Manna Dey, Geeta Dutt and also some of the singers of the eighties like Anuradha poduwal and Amit Kumar. Some of the films for which he composed music were Cha cha cha, Love in Simla, Yeh dil kisko doon, Umar Qaid, Qawali ki raat, Banarsi thug, Bindiya, Dastan e laila majnu, Bombay by nite.
His compositions have always been melodious nd some of his most popular songs have been Mukesh’a Mujhe raat din yeh khayal hai from Umar Qaid, Mohammad Rafi’s Mein apne aap se gabraa gaya hoon from Bindiya ,Tha thaiya kathe aana a popular Lata – Getta dutt duet from the film Panchayat, Lata Mangeshkar’s Yaad suhani teri from Banarsi Thug and Subhaa na aaye sham na aaye and a popular duet Ek chambeli ke manduve thale sung by Asha Bhonsle and Mohammad rafi from the film Cha cha cha..
Iqbal quereshi was immensely talented and has been able to retain his popularity right upto this day with those who love old film songs of the fifties and sixties… I am listing ten of his best compositions which are all my personal favorites – 1, Yaad suhani teri bani zindgani meri ( Banarsi thug) 2, Subha na aaye sham na aaye ( Cha cha cha) 3, Mujhe raat din yeh khayal hai ( Umar qaid) 4, Aaj mausam bhi masthi mein gaa ne lage ( Banarsi thug) 5, Yeh zindgi ke raaste ( Love in Simla) 6, Phir aane laga yaad wohi ( Yeh dil kisko doon) 7, Jab tak duniya rahe rahenge ( yeh dil kisko doon) 8, Woh hum na the woh tum na the ( cha cha cha) 9, Kiya hai dilruba pyar bhi kabhi ( love in simla) 10, O piya jaana na ( Umar qaid).

619 AK November 20, 2015 at 9:33 pm

AN Gandhe,
Thanks for this detailed information. I have mentioned earlier that Iqbal Qureshi is a very worthy candidate for my series on Forgotten Composers Unforgettable Melodies.

620 Ravindra Kelkar November 23, 2015 at 4:11 pm

Dear All,
Today is Geeta Dutt’s birthday. The only female singer who held her own against Lata, due to her unique talent.
Posting this wonderful song from film Aasman – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfBJUppxwRo

621 AK November 23, 2015 at 4:20 pm

Ravindra Kelkar,
I also convey my tributes to her. You have posted one of her best songs. Thanks a lot.
AK

622 mumbaikar8 November 23, 2015 at 8:23 pm

Ravindra Kelkar,
Thanks for remembering Geeta Dutt’s birthday.
I love this one from Savera
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2dtQs3ESmI

623 mumbaikar8 November 23, 2015 at 8:25 pm

Hans @ 614
Thanks for appreciation and information.

624 A . N. GANDHE November 24, 2015 at 3:18 pm

dear Mumbaikar8
Song from savera was revelation for me. Such great song from my favorite Shailesh Mukharjee. Thanks a lot for uploading that song

625 A . N. GANDHE November 24, 2015 at 3:29 pm

Dear all,
Watch this beauty from Ghar ghar ki baat, Second song of Gulshan Bawara.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlAsmoy5pdM&list=RDMMq0PZWPZuV30&index=2

626 A . N. GANDHE November 24, 2015 at 3:53 pm

Here is piece on Snehal Bhatkar:

Snehal Bhatkar was from Maharashtra and his real name was Vasudev Bhatkar. While officially working for HMV, he used to secretly work as a composer under various pseudonyms like ‘B. Vasudev’, ‘Snehal’ and ‘Snehal Bhatkar’ – out of which the last one seems to have stuck forever! By the way, this pseudonym was a shorter version of his daughter’s name – Snehlata!
Bhatkar and lyricist Kidar Nath Sharma shared a special bond. Bhatkar’s main claim to fame remains Mubarak Begum’s ‘Kabhee Tanhaaiyon Mein Yoon’ – the immortal title song for film maker Kedar Sharma’s Hamari Yaad Aayegi (1961). Actually Bhatkar had originally composed this song for Lata. She had earlier recorded two duets (‘Sochtaa Hoon Yeh Kyaa Kiyaa Maine’ and ‘Jawaan Mohabbat’ with Mukesh) for the film but later in her busy schedule, she could not fit in the new recording. She then suggested that Bhatkar use Asha for this song, but Kedar Sharma opted for Mubarak Begum instead. Mubarak’s distinctive voice and Bhatkar’s exquisite tune then combined to produce an all-time classic!
Other melodious songs to his credit include ‘Ham Par Jaadoo Daal Gaye’ (Gunaah), ‘Raadhaa Ke Man Kee Muraliyaa Pukaare’ (Nand Kishore), ‘Dil Kaa Milnaa Mushkil Hai’ (Hamari Beti), ‘Woh Chalee Gham Kee Hawaa’ (Aaj Ki Baat) and ‘Lehroun pe Lehar’ (Chhabili). Aye mere humsafar (Nutan) Right from the opening couplet ‘Mohabbat mein kaheen do dil hasenge, geet gaayenge/Magar ham gham ke maare raat bhar aansoo bahaayenge’, the song immerses the listener in a moody melancholy!
On May 29, 2007 Bhatkar left this world at the ripe old age of 88 at his residence in South Mumbai. He is survived by two sons, including noted Marathi actor Ramesh Bhatkar and a daughter. His funeral was held at Dadar in Central Mumbai

627 AK November 24, 2015 at 4:16 pm

AN Gandhe,
Thanks a lot for this detailed information. Snehal Bhatkar is One of the sweetest composers. One of my favourite songs is Amir Khusro’s Kaahe ko byahi bides from Suhaagraat (1948). Everyone has sung it, but this is special.

628 ksbhatia November 24, 2015 at 4:28 pm

A N Gandhe ji ;
Kalyanji Anandji almost repeated the Ghar ghar ki baat song In 1960 film Paasport ….Saaz e dil chhead de …. a duet by Rafi and Lata .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JE531uhdvg

629 A . N. GANDHE November 24, 2015 at 4:34 pm

Yes Sir, so they all say. But to me both the songs were different and Yeh sama yeh khushi had sweetness about it. may be raga is same. I am novice with ragas.

630 ksbhatia November 24, 2015 at 4:41 pm

A Kji , A N Gandhe ji ;
Snehal bhatkar has given very different Aroma to the sweetness of songs that carried slow rhythm . My fav. Chhabili ‘s two songs are example for such songs:
1. Aye mere humsafar……Nutan….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgTiTy95aLo
2.Leheron pe leher…….Hemant , Lata….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGy7i8OEUZo

631 A . N. GANDHE November 24, 2015 at 4:54 pm

Another beauty from Snehal bhatkar
Farshiton ki nagari mein main aa gaya hoon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTO3hAVqUUE

632 ksbhatia November 24, 2015 at 5:06 pm

Ravindra Kelkar ji ;
Thanks for reminding Geeta Dutt . As we all know she had that sweet khanak unmatched quality that brought out best of the line songs; be it sad or fast number . Such a wide range of songs can be traced from some of her songs like ……
1. Mera sundre sapna beet gaya…….Do bhai…..S D Burman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBQ60nKcZPg
2.Ye kaun aaya ki mere dil……Baazi…….S D B
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh3Q8ZoBSMg
3.Aye dil mujhe bataa de…..Bhai Bhai……Madan Mohan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKcaNydkNMg
4.Jaane kya tuneh kahi……Pyaasa……S D B
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84MU3gcOxyQ
5Mera naam chin chin ……Howrah bridge……O P Nayyar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVKEMOenP-o
6.Aaj sajan mohe ……….Pyaasa……S D B
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLFnVuv69sM

…….and many more .

633 arvindersharma November 24, 2015 at 5:14 pm

Dear SoY friends,
Time for me to throw my musical hat as Snehal Bhatkar is a very favorite composer of mine.
A full post of SoY was devoted to a song by Snehal Bhatkar, sung by Suman Kalyanpur, ‘Haale dil unko sunaya tha’, where she nearly matc

634 ksbhatia November 24, 2015 at 5:23 pm

……In continuation of # 632…… missed one of my fav.song :
7. Dharti se door gore badaloan [ with Asha as chorus singer ]…..Sangdil……..Sajjad hussain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MUE0NA3HFg

635 A . N. GANDHE November 24, 2015 at 5:30 pm

Dear Arvind sharma ji
Sorry for missing such a beauty like “Hale dil unko sunsna tha” thanks.

636 arvindersharma November 24, 2015 at 5:37 pm

Dear SoY friends,
Time for me to throw my musical hat as Snehal Bhatkar is a very favorite composer of mine.
A full post of SoY was devoted to a song by Snehal Bhatkar, sung by Suman Kalyanpur, ‘Haale dil unko sunaya tha’, where she nearly matches the vocals of lata.
Here are two of my favorite duets
Toone teri nazar ne to qatil bana diya

https://youtu.be/6e9KhbjnRnM

Aapne huzoor mujhe kya se kya bana diya

https://youtu.be/BMIYIHX7lnQ

I also rate Iqbal Qureshi very highly, as AN Gandhe Ji suggested above.
Some of his great compositions were in Panchayat, especially Ta thaiyya kar ke aana.
Gandhe Ji,
enjoyed your write ups.

637 A . N. GANDHE November 24, 2015 at 5:48 pm

Dear Arvind sharma ji,
Thanks a lot for appreciation.

638 Ravindra Kelkar November 24, 2015 at 11:01 pm

ksbhatiyaji(634 comment),
Very well done. Geeta was special. No doubt about it. As you mention, she had it all.

639 ksbhatia November 26, 2015 at 10:48 pm

AK’ji ;
Sun , Sand and Camels songs … I am lifting reference of Javed Akhtar ‘s topic from the main theme : Roshan: the great melody maker……and I am bringing three superb songs written by his father Jaanisar Akhtar . The beauty in these songs lies not only in the wordings but also its composition of the song and its orchestration . The prelude, interlude and song takes you to that historical era which we never have visited but can live only in imagination thru such beautiful songs .
The lyrics of all these songs are very different but its rhythm and beats match your owns.
1. Majandaran- mere watan……..Talat…..Rustam sohrab…Sajjad Hussain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5y0i5V2UTk
2.Ae dilruba nazaren mila…….Lata……..Rustam Sohrab…..Sajjad Hussain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTSHU88yWag
3. Ae dil e nadan……..Lata……Razia Sultana…….Khayyam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdqkN95Y5QE

Note the similarity of tunes of these songs . I think there are few more such songs [ Laila Majnu …? ] which needs to be searched .

640 A.N.Gandhe November 27, 2015 at 5:18 pm

pl notify

641 A.N.Gandhe December 1, 2015 at 4:07 pm

A piece on Bipin Babul

S D Burman: Shikari (Eight Days(aath din) was
also in 1946).
Naushad Premnagar (1940).
Madan Mohan Aankhen (1950)
O P Nayyar Aasmaan (1952).
Hemant Kumar Anandmath (1952).
Rajesh Roshan Kuwara Baap (1974).
Jaidev Joru Kaa Bhai (1950)
R D Burman Chhote Nawab (1961)
Anil Biswas Dharm ki devi (1935).
C Ramchandra Bhaktaraj (1943).
Roshan Neki aur Badi (1949).
Khayyam Footpath (1953).
Ravi Ayodhyapati (1956).
Vasant Desai Shobha (1942).
Salil Do Bigha Zameen
————————————————————–Vish Krishnan further writes:
: SDBurman: Eight Days(aath din) or Shikari both in 1946
: [though Shikari is considered his first].
On a broader base, Kumar Sachin Dev’s musical breaks may well have
happened under the auspices of Calcutta’s New Theatres. He was already a
reasonably well known Bhatiyali singer then, and may even have sung
some songs for a movie or two. My notes are vague on this, but some
filmography publication out at the National Centre of the Performing Arts
(Bombay) suggests that his songs for YAHUDI KI LADKI (early ’30s) may
have been re-recorded by the great Narendranath (aka Pahaadi) Sanyal.
Also influenced by the genius of Kazi Nazrul Islam, the almost 30-year
old rookie went on to borrow a few of the master’s musical phrases in his
later movies.
Burman Dada has definitely done the music for a couple of Bengali movies
in the late ’30s or early ’40s. These were clearly NOTNew Theatres movies
(the holy trinity of Rai Chand Boral, Pankaj Mullick and TBB were pretty
much standard with that company), but they may have been financed by the
studio. I am thinking of productions like RAJGEE, JAKHER DHAN etc.
: Madan Mohan Aankhen (1950)
Out of curiosity, didn’t Madan Mohan do a couple of movies under
the name Mohan Junior? Could they have been prior to AANKHEN?
: OP Nayyar Aasmaan (1952).
After working with Jullundhur Radio for a while, OP’s first movie break
was with Dalsukh Panchholi’s KANEEZ, a popular Munawwar Sultana
movie from the late ’40s. Ghulaam Haider did the main stream music for
it, but the background was by Omkar Prasadji. AASMAAN was also
produced by Panchholi, and though Dalsukh M. died in 1959, one of the
satellite offshoot companies ended up producing the forgettable BIN MAA
KE BACHCHE in the late ’70s interesting only because the company
thought of and recruited OP at a time when the man was totally out of work,
living completely on royalties.
: Hemant Kumar Anandmath (1952).
Like so many of his contemporaries from the state of Bengal (although
he was not born there), Hemanta da’s first musical foray was in liberal
Bengali cinema. Even as a strapping teenager, he had made his name as a
Rabindra Sangeet singer. It must have been the late ’30s then. His early
breaks were not as a composer, but rather as a traditional Bengali singer
first, and then as a singer of Hindi movie songs. Can’t remember the songs
or the movies.
In the late ’40s, after doing his first 2 solo MD assignments for the movies
PURBARAAG and ABHIYAATRI, he just happened to meet theliberal
IPTA crowd. The Indian People’s Theatres Association mayhave selfdestructed under its own burden of bitter in-house politicking, but while it
was on, it attracted only the very best.Veterans like Balraj Sahni,
directors Zia Sarhadi and Khwaja Ahmed Abbas, the intellectual couple
Shahid Lateef and Ismat Chugtai, Prem Dhawan, Shailendra etc only to
name a few. And my top favourite IPTA personalities were director
Hemen Gupta (a staunch anti-British freedom fighter who spent hellishly
long periods in jail), producer-director Bimal Roy, and the man
without a musical parallel as yet, Sir Salil Chowdhury.
Salil Da’s music is well known to have rallied the countryside together
behind the people’s cause. Hemanta Da was on the more serious Rabindra
Sangeet of the world, but the two met for but abrief 4 years. Director
Hemen Gupta made 3 IPTA movies in the late ’40s or early ’50s period
starting with BHULI NAI, and going on with “1942” (a Bengal famine
story), and then the Bankim Chandra adaptation ANAND MATH. All 3
movies are credited to Hemanta Da, but Salil Da was around. It was here
that Hemanta Da formed his musical roots in cinema. Soon after that, he did
the music for FERRY, one of 7 Dev-Geeta Bali movies, also directed by
Hemen Gupta. It is a slow, boring movie, very unlike the more catchy
Dev-SD pairings, but it is worth renting just for the Hemant- Geeta Dutt
songs (e.g. “Yehi Hai Mere Sapnoon Ka Sansaar” and “Rangeeli, Sajeeli,
Chhabili Raani Nindiyaa; Aa Mere Raaja Ki
Aankhon Mein Aa”).
: Jaidev Hum Dono (??).
There were at least 4 movies made by Jaidev before HUM DONO.
JORU KA BHAI, ANJALI, and SAMUDRI DAAKOO are all from the
’50s,and I do believe KINAARE KINAARE was recorded before HUM
DONO.It may have released later.
: Salil Chowdhury Do Bigha Zameen
Again, Salil Da’s movie music break happened in the Bengali medium. Even before that, he was closely identified with left -wing liberal
movements, and admittedly borrowed some of his motifs from
Communist marching tunes (e.g. the DO BIGHA ZAMEEN song “Dharti
Kahe Pukaar Ke” is adapted from a Soviet Red Army propanda song). He began his musical solo career with two Bengali movies -PARIBARTAN and BARJAATRI, before his first (Bimal Roy) Hindi film DO
BIGHA ZAMEEN.Listening to Salil Da talk gives one the feeling of
being indivine presence. I had the honour of saying a couple of words to
him at an IIT Bombay concert. He and assistant Kanu Ghosh (no mean
musician he) were together at some classical evening affair.
While he was passionately involved with harmonic variations (an addiction
he picked up from his doctor brother’s Western classical collection of
albums) he never allowed his music to stray from the Indianness that he
so grandly and eloquently personifies. Some of his folk experiments (e.g.
the Bhangra in USNE KAHAA THAA and the Laavani song from
CHAAND AUR SOORAJ) create a seamless mixture of clearly Western
counterpoint into basic Punjabi and Marathi folk.
Not only has Salil Da worked with some of the greatest movie makers of
our times (Bimal Da, Tapan Sinha, Mrinal Sen, Ritwik Ghatak, and who was
it that made CHEMMEEN…. I forget), but he also holds the distinction for
composing songs for just about every Indian language there is. Nobody else
comes close. I would imagine Chitalkar to be a distant second on that score.
Quite early in his career, Salil Da wrote a long article for some Indian
publication. He chose English as his communication medium, and titled it
“Modern Bengali Music in Crisis”. I believe the NCPA library (Bombay)
has a copy of it.
: Many thanks to Ketan Dholakia and Arun Verma for the answers.
: Some additional information (provided by Ketan):
: C Ramchandra Bhaktaraj (1943).
Anna’s first few movies actually happened in the South. His first solo
MD-ship came from Tamil and Telugu films like JAYAKKODI,
VANAMOHINI and Master Bhagwan’s (perhaps only) Tamil directorial assignment NAARAD NARADI.
It is strange that the man should have ended his movie career with
another Southern production, the Telugu movie AKBAR SALEEM
ANARKALI (late ’70s) – imagine N.T. Rama Rao playing Akbar!!!.
But I think Chitalkar badly wanted to make this movie. He has sort-of
recycled some of his ANARKALI immortals in through this movie, and the
songs exploded into popularity.
C. Ramchandra is clearly one of 3 Bombay music makers whose in fluence
on the South is there to stay. The other two would be of course Salil Da, and
possibly Vasant Desai. Chitalkar probably made HANSO HANSO AI
DUNIYA WAALON and SUKHI JEEVAN before doing BHAKTARAJ,
but I am not sure about that.
: Roshan Neki aur Badi (1949).
I guess the Kidar Sharma-Geeta Bali connection stayed together
for a while.
: Khayyam footpath (1953).
Again, Khaiyyaam may have done a few movies prior to working on Zia
Sarhadi’s lightly radical FOOTPATH. After struggling under Ghulam
Ahmed Chishti’s tutelage, he drifted for a while doing odd jobs. He acted
in Nargis’ ROMEO AND JULIET, and probably also sang in at least one
movie of that time.
It was really the Aziz Khan-Pandit Amarnath connection that lent some
basic confidence to the young man’s faltering faith in Bombay cinema.
Credit is also due to Bulo C. Rani, an almost 3
rd
generation Ranjit
Movietone standard. After stalwarts like Jhande Khan, Banne Khan and
Rewashankar Marwadi moved on, assistants like Gyan Dutt took over the
musical reins, and following that, Bulo(chand) Chandiram Ramchandani
came on the scene. It is hard to describe Khaiyyaam as the fourthgeneration Ranjit Movietoner. That was never the main production
company in his realm.
For some strange reason, he adopted the pseudonym Sharmaji. The first
few movies, five perhaps, were done by Sharmaji. The very first of the
bunch was HEER RANJHA. Curiously enough, perhaps Khaiyyaam’s first
recording was a Punjabi folk song. That influence has stood the test of time!
What is even more odd is that Lata Mangeshkar sang for Khaiyyaam
before she sang for Anil Biswas, SJ or Khemchand Prakash. The HEER
RANJHA song “Kaahe Ko Deenhi Bides” is a traditional Avadhi song now
credited to Ameer Khusro. Lata sang it then, and Jagjit Kaur repeated it in
UMRAAO JAAN – more than 30 years later!
Other Sharmaji movies are PYAAR KI BAATEIN, PARDAA, BIWI and
GUL SANOBAR (Shammi Kapoor’s first movie?). A recent CD of Rafi’s
solo’s features the wonderful BIWI song “Akele Mein Woh Ghabraate
To Honge”. The music there is credited to Khaiyyaam. It was then that
Khaiyyaam got to work with Zia Sarhadi on FOOTPATH.
Just for more trivia, the background of the movie is credited to
Timirbaran Bhattacharya.
: Vasant Desai Shobha (1942).
Oddly enough, Vasant Desai’s first break WAS in Hindi cinema. Ido suspect
that he may have done quite a bit of solo work for hisearly Prabhat Studios
apprenticeship, and never gotten creditedwith any of it.
Prabhat and New Theatres, though they represented practically op posite
ends of India’s film geography, had one striking resem blance. They were
both musically held by their respective Holy Trinities. Vasant Desai’s
own self-proclaimed gurus were the famous Govindrao Tembe, Keshavrao
Bhole and Master Krishnarao Phulambikar. Not only did he get his basic
musical foundation from them, but he may also have acted and sung in
some of the early Shantaram productions like AYODHYECHA RAJA.
Here is where he met Master Vinayak, and we can safely attribute some of
Lata’s early songs to this meeting. Three out of 4 of Master Vinayak’s
Hindi medium creations (JEEVAN YATRA, SUBHADRA and MANDIR)
have Lata’s first few solos. The odd movie out (BADI MAA) was done by
Datta Saheb Koregaonkar, and that was no less great.
Much in the Salil Chowdhury style, Vasant Desai was steeped in the
Marathi folk tradition, working a lot with the GRAAMEEN CHITRAPAT
medium of the countryside. In one of his more uncompromising
moods, he wrote a fiery article for a Marathi movie weekly. The title is “Bas
Zhaali Sangeetachi Ghulamgiri”, also available at the NCPA (Bombay),
I hope. His passion for the Laavani and Powwada genres is evident in
some of his folksy Marathi productions like LOKSHAIR RAMJOSHI.
cheers

642 AK December 1, 2015 at 5:28 pm

AN Gandhe,
This is enormous infornation about the debut of various composers. (But the title of your comment ‘Bipin Babul’ seems to be a misnomer).

Some bits, for example relating to SD Burman-Yahudi Ki Ladki-Pahadi Sanyal have come in for discussion earlier on SoY. I don’t want to write more because most of it is appropriate for a separate post. But thanks a lot for sharing this.

643 ksbhatia December 2, 2015 at 12:24 am

AK ji;
Other day I was watching Ganga Jamuna over DD channel and enjoyed every moment of the movie songs , its music – background music as well . I came across one small bit of one line rendering in a scene where Vyajantimala and Dilip Sahib meet his brother [Munna] as inspector sitting on a horse . The one linner is a sort of duet where one can recogonise Rafi as play back for Dilip but am unable to recognise the female singer for Vyajantimala . The liner goes like …..Chal chal re gudiya pei ki nagariya , aaj ganga ka jamuna se hoi ge milanva …..Is she Lata or some one else ?

644 Ravindra Kelkar December 3, 2015 at 5:09 pm

Dear All,
Today is Dev Anand’s death anniversary, my favourite hero. I post this song as a tribute to him –
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od9wz7WKQMY
A very soulful melody from “Kinare Kinare”. My favourite Manna Dey song.

645 mumbaikar8 December 3, 2015 at 6:07 pm

Ravindra Kelkar.
My favorite too.
My tribute to Dev Anand with this song that depicts his personality? Baat ek raat ki.
Akela hoon main
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQVQ2C-B6ms

646 ksbhatia December 3, 2015 at 11:25 pm

Ravindra Kelkar ji, Mumbaikar8 ;
Both the songs are jewels and gems . Akela hoon main… reflects Dev Anand ‘s happy go lucky charms . Na sahil ki parwah na maujoan ka Dar hai……. is another way of his life that is depicted in Kinare Kinare song .

His youth persona one can very well imagine listening to …….
1. Jo bhi pyar se mila ……Kishore……Nau do Gyaraha
…………….S D B

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHIGwUjtfrA
2.Tu kahan yeh battaa……Rafi…….Tere ghar ke samne…..S D B
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPNfDpLQLSk

647 Gaddeswarup December 9, 2015 at 3:03 pm

Found another film dubbed from Hindi to Telugu. Maya Bazaar 1958 to Veera Ghatotkacha 1959. Most of the Hindi songs are on YouTube and the Telugu songs are here http://sakhiyaa.com/veera-ghatotkacha-1959-వీర-ఘటోత్కచ/

648 ksbhatia December 10, 2015 at 3:21 pm

Ravinder Kelkar ji, Arvinder sharma ji , Mumbaikar8 ;
Recently I was struck with amazing similarity of songs and music of the film Saazish [1959] . Practically all the songs bore the style of O . P . Nayyar . The songs of Saazish were sung by Asha and Rafi and music was given by S.D.Batish . Listen and decide for your self if they deserve the True Copy Tag .
1.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cm4Imrkx7M
2.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2r8u188whc
3.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPsH439un68
4.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93Oe8sNUxxQ
5.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2kV38vyhwQ

649 ksbhatia December 11, 2015 at 10:15 pm

S o Y family ; Today is Dilip Kumar sahib’s 93 rd birthday and I along with my entire family wishes Dilip sahib a very happy birth day .
Dilip sahib have entertained us for so many years – playing a variety of rolls thru out his career – be it tragedy or comedy . He is truly an institute in himself . A lot of efforts are required from the young generation to come up to the standards set by him .
I have practically seen almost all of his movies and some of them are proudly displayed in my collection on the shelf . I can not forget the intense acting ability displayed during his youth days . My fav. films till date are……Babul , Mela , Udan khatola, Deedar , Amar, Ganga Jamuna , Mughal E Azam……and many other . All these movies are special for me as the have beautiful music Tag of Naushad [ Wizard in his own right ].
May God bless Dilip sahib with a very good health and happiness for many more years .

650 AK December 12, 2015 at 9:15 am

KS Bhatiaji,
I add my greetings to him. Incidentally, the songs from all the films you have mentioned have already appeared on SoY.

651 ksbhatia December 12, 2015 at 4:11 pm

Ak ji ;
That’s the beauty of S o Y . It s a big box of collections of gems and jewels . It is a vast canvas that depicts the vast scenes and colors of landscape from rainbows to mirage , thru its beautiful collection of sound of music …..that will live and last forever .

652 Ravindra Kelkar December 13, 2015 at 12:59 am

Bhatiyaji (comment no 648),
I completely agree with you. They are heavily influenced by OP. However, SD Batish is not unique in this. I have with me a number of such songs which are an attempt to give OP type music. Most of those songs are from the time period of 1959 & 1960. The stupendous success of OP music from 1956 to 1958, compelled most of the MDs to come up with this OP style music. This could have been basically due to pressure from financers of the films, who wanted commercial success of the films in which they had put money in. They wanted hit music, which meant OP styled music. The list of MDs who did this (or were forced to do this) includes CR, Naushad, Madan Mohan, N Datta, Ravi, Jaidev, Khaiyyam, Salil Chaudhary, Roshan, Usha Khanna, Chitragupta, Hemant Kumar, & many other small time composers like SD Batish, Sardar Khwatra, etc.

653 ksbhatia December 13, 2015 at 3:10 pm

Ravindra Kelkar ji ;
I think following O P’s style is one thing but S.D.batish’s composition are just copy of OP Nayyar’s music . Yes , Usha Khanna ‘s music in Dil Deke Dekho carried the style of OPNayyar . Naushad sahib did one song in Kohi E Noor and one in Saathi / Aadmi [?] . For other MDs you have listed [ Thanks for that ] I think I have to dig many of their songs and movies .

654 ksbhatia December 14, 2015 at 11:11 pm

SoY family ;
Today is birthday of one of the greatest showman of bollywood… Raj kapoor . The man who excelled in every deptt. of film making . His four pillars ….Shailendra , hasrat, Shanker, jaikishan…were the back bone of his musical treats for the cinema goers of the golden era . Music and songs of Awara and Shree 420 had international impact , acclaimed big success and crossed boundries . In Russia , Raj kapoor and Nargis was a house hold name .
As a remembrence of his musical treat here is his famous song …Pyar hua ikrar hua hai …. There is beautiful back ground music in the movie which starts much before the prelude of the song while Raj and Nargis are engaged in some romantic dialogue . How this beautiful music get merged with the prelude of the song one must observe .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXLzfldeDcM

655 ksbhatia December 17, 2015 at 10:47 pm

After a long time I am reverting back and unwinding a few of my fav. songs in my night time schedule . Here is such one by Mukesh from Begaana with beautiful composition by Sapan Jagmohan .

……Na jaane kaha kho gaya woh zamaana……

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3Tfn0QZhsM
I think this song will win many hearts .

656 ksbhatia December 19, 2015 at 11:49 pm

AK ji ,Hans ji ;
Here is a song from old movie Bhai Bhai which is having minimal chorus of just 3 or 4 seconds . This may find funny to many members .
aye dil mujhe batta de …….Asha……Madan mohan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIMwRbkZW04

Incedently prelude of this song and that of ….Yaad kiya dil ne kahan ho tum …..match quite a bit .

657 gaddeswarup December 20, 2015 at 6:00 am

ksbhatiaji at 656. I think that the singer is Geeta Dutt not Asha.

658 ksbhatia December 20, 2015 at 9:56 pm

Gaddeswarup ji,
Thanks for the correction .
Here is one more yodley song by Kishore kumar that adds up to the listing of such songs .
Tikadam baazi tikadam bazi…..Adhikar ……Avinash Vyas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfYHhjTm4Aw

659 ksbhatia December 20, 2015 at 10:15 pm

Here is one of my fav. sweet good night song by Lata ji from Mirza Sahiba .
Tabiyat theek thi aur …….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkNwQ54tI0A
Such songs are rare to find and one has to dig in many directions to come upto that level . May be Geologists are also giving their ears .

660 gaddeswarup December 22, 2015 at 1:46 pm

ksbhatiaji, I was fascinated by a song in Posti sung by Asha Bhosle and Shamshad Begum and looked up for information about the music director. One link I retained is this http://www.apnaorg.com/articles/sap14/

661 Ravindra Kelkar December 24, 2015 at 2:57 pm

Dear All,
Today is Rafi’s birthday, for me the greatest male singer in Hindi Film Music Industry after KL Saigal.
As a tribute I post here three wonderfule songs
1) Humdono – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCIX-24cEYQ
2) Teen Deviyan -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A95gBIMj1o8
3) Bahare Phir Bhi Aayengi-Duet with Asha – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCLWePUPEkg
You must be wondering what’s common with these three songs. They are all compositions based upon the same Raga – Gaara

662 ksbhatia December 24, 2015 at 4:20 pm

Ravinder Kelkar ji ;
Thanks for the uploads of these beautiful songs of Mohd. Rafi sahib…the most respected singer of the century . I join you and all others in making the tribute by recalling some of his great musical renderings .
First of all I will start with a non filmy Gazal which I think is his all time best……
1. Dard manat kash e dawa na hua ….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Cb4okApfHs
After this soulful gazal another soulful song…..
2.Maan re tu kahe na dheer kare…..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSRN316hGFA
And now various moods of Rafi’s song on DevAnand………..
3.Sun le tu dil ki saza…….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQUZCgcWzcQ
4.Tu kahan ye bataa…….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUgMMgANjV0
5. Khoya khoya chand……
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDDVLE7HV10
6.Hum bekhudi mein tum…….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTVTh_TP-so
7. Dil ka bhawar kare pukar…….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pa97AQ0SyLs
8. Chheda mere dil ne tarana……
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DS9BlwEG6FU
Now two duets with Lataji and Asha ji………
9. Do ghadi woh jo paas aa ………..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWlAtayprGY
10. Hum safar saath apna ……..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCt2PeLwKTU

There are many songs of Rafi sahib which will remain immortal for many generations and centuries .

663 mumbaikar8 December 24, 2015 at 4:37 pm

Ravindra Kelkar,
Thanks or beating me in the remembrance!
AK, and All.
My contribution on this day. Two duets from a forgotten movie which had some great songs
Ek ke baad ek,
This seems to be the rare song in which the song starts as a comedy song and then passing on in to a romantic one. Genius of SDB .
Rafi with Asha
https://youtu.be/NXsnMgWb5ng
And the second one with Geeta Dutt another mesmerizing romantic duet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pncb7PareoI

664 Ravindra Kelkar December 24, 2015 at 9:40 pm

Bhatiyaji,
Wonderful songs, especially the non-filmi gazal. Thanks
Mumbaikar8,
Songs from “Ek Ke Baad Ek” are lovely. I remember seeing the movie, which had a theme of “family planning”. Dev Anand’s brother has 6 or 7 children & then he faces a lot of trouble in maintaining the family. The herione Sharada was a new one, completely unkown. Very surpising that actually Dev Anand accepted the film, a most unusual Dev Anand film.

665 mumbaikar8 December 24, 2015 at 11:56 pm

Ksbhatia,
I think we crossed each other in uploading.
Beautiful songs. I believe Begum Akhtar was impressed how Khayyam made Rafi sing this album and later sang for him. I remember reading it at ASAD once.

Ravindra Kelkar,
Perhaps Dev Anand believed in the subject, I think all human in general and Indian in particular believe in this subject. This movie had two absolutely soulful numbers on family planning.
Again I feel that even today these songs should be the part of voluntary family planning campaign.
Here they are. Feel the level of excellence in music by all the pillars. I get chocked whenever I listen to these songs.

Mannadey Na tel aur na bati

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_yCWaQ6BxA

Geeta Dutt Sudha Malhota

Haath Pasare raste raste

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v06n-YLyt48

666 Gulab December 25, 2015 at 9:05 am

I Love this non filmi ghazal of Rafi. It has been sung by others too. Rafi had that pain in the voice in the ghazal which is present in many of his tragic melodies.

http://youtu.be/wWSBDsEtQ0Y

667 Gulab December 25, 2015 at 9:47 am

One forgotten rafi song – tribute to Bapu

Suno suno aye duniyawalon bapuki ye amar kahani

http://youtu.be/CqMh5TUvJVw

668 mumbaikar8 December 25, 2015 at 9:51 pm

Two film personalities, I am absolutely emotional about, Rafi and Sadhana.
RIP Sadhana. Her good memories shall always remain in our hearts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VlDX_U2PkI

669 ksbhatia December 25, 2015 at 11:16 pm

Ghulab ji ;
Thanks for uploading another masterly crafted and beautiful gazal of Rafi sahib…..Gazab kiya tere wade pe aitbar kiya …..really wonderful .

Rafi sahib’s Bapu ji ki amar kahani directed by Husanlal Bhagatram and penned by Rajendra Krishan was as popular as Lata ji’s ….Aaye mere watan ke logo… during 50s thru 60s . During the same years there was a very popular non filmy song based on Roza which I am not able to locate on Youtube …. that too is a masterpiece.

670 ksbhatia December 25, 2015 at 11:31 pm

Mumbaikar 8 ;
Sadhna was really a darling of the youth during 60s . Her Sadhna cut hair style was a craze among the youth of those days . Her debut film … Love in Shimla…. hold high spirits for her to marvel her acting talent . I hold her performance in Woh Kaun Thi and Arzoo as her career best .
I am uploading a song from Arzoo as a tribute to this great actress .
……….
Bedardi balma tujh ko mera maan yaad karta hai……
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Jx4ikOZhog

671 mumbaikar8 December 26, 2015 at 7:46 am

Bhatiaji,
Are you looking for this Roza song?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN2lG_3B0Wg

672 ksbhatia December 26, 2015 at 3:15 pm

Mumbaikar8 ;
Thanks for this song but I think the one I used to listen over the radio ,some time during 1954-55 , was different . The narration and beats were a little slower and Rafi sahib sang that song very passionately .
Any way my search will go on and will share when I find it .

673 Siddharth December 26, 2015 at 4:09 pm

Bhatiaji,
@656, I think the humming at the start is similar to the prelude in the song – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KZ9SuYrjww

674 mumbaikar8 December 26, 2015 at 11:42 pm

ksbhatiaji,
Here is very interesting article on Bapu Ki kahani Gulabji and you were discussing
http://scroll.in/article/681779/listen-people-of-the-world-to-the-immortal-story-of-gandhi-sings-mohammad-rafi

I am aware of one more Roza song but that is not NFS it is from Alam Ara, have a listen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AtFhpgUUSI

675 Hans December 27, 2015 at 12:34 am

Mumbaikar8,
How our likes coincide. Rafi and Sadhana are my absolute favourites too. Not only boys but girls of our generation were absolutely fanatic about her. She looked so beautiful even in B&W films. I dont remember how many times I have seen Hum Dono, Ek Musafir Ek Haseena and Asli Naqli. She paired with every top actor of her times except Dilip Kumar. And after doing her stint in films she simply forgot the glamour scene. She was the one who could compete with full moon in beauty. Here is a night song which shows full moon. Tera mera pyar amar from Asli Naqli, which is my absolute favourite. Both Sadhna and Lata are just superb.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV0-rrdPJKw

For Rafi I would post a song which has perhaps not been posted by me earlier and is also not very famous, but is an absolute gem. Ruk ruk chamke jhuk jhuk chamke from Pehli Raat – 1959.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtGQJdavOt8

676 ksbhatia December 27, 2015 at 3:48 pm

Mumbaikar8 ;
Yes , you caught it right . The Alam Ara song was the one I was refering to . This and Suno suno aye duniya walo…. were my fav.Rafi sahib ‘s songs in the mid 50s when I was hardly ten years old .
Thanks for the links on immortal story of Ghandhi ji.

677 ksbhatia December 27, 2015 at 5:09 pm

Siddharth ji;
@673 , There were two catch in that song @656 , one was the minimum chorus rendering of just 3 or 4 sec which I think should be a record unless observer like Hans ji come up with more such songs ; the second issue was the prelude similar to Bhai bhai song….. Aye dil muje bata de …which I think is quite similar to that of ….Yaad kiya dil ne..

Yes , the song ….Lo aaye hain din pyar ke [ Thanks for uploading this fab.song ] …. is having prelude quite similar in style to Patita song ; may be for the reason that both the songs carries the SJ masterfully crafted stamp . SJ were masters in composing beautiful preludes, interludes and postludes very effective to the main lyrics and overall song composition [ as is evident from the following listed songs ] .

If Bhai Bhai song qualifies for minimal chorus song then one of the following Five songs of SJ should qualify for maximum chorus duration song.

1. Ajeeb daastan hai ye…….Lata ……SJ……..Dil apna aur preet parai
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4Kh5pCsOnM
2. Yeh duniya hai hamari…..Rafi…..SJ…….Yahudi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XufR5l_W4Q8

3. Aa ab laut challen ……..Mukesh with Lata heading chorus….SJ…….Jis desh mein ganga bahte hai
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99vq8ShTXfw
4. Tere bina aag yeh chandni……Lata , Mannadey…..SJ …Awara
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf4reYrFrVI
5. Raat gaye jab din aata hai [full song]…Mannadey , Asha …SJ…Boot Polish
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf4reYrFrVI

678 ksbhatia December 27, 2015 at 5:15 pm

in continuation….correction in 5th song :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSHUOTfR6BU

679 Hans December 31, 2015 at 12:31 am

Bhatiaji,
You talk about my observation. But, I have listened to the ‘ae dil mujhe bata de’ hundreds of times, but did not observe the chorus. But, in my view the song is not meant for chorus and the chorus in the start seems to be some mistake of re-recording.

Talking of long chorus, you have given very good examples. Here is the song ‘taqat watan ki humse hai’ from Prem Pujari, which for record is a duet of Rafi and Manna Dey with chorus. But, the voices of Rafi and Manna are heard just occasionally.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzepWtjnfwI

680 ksbhatia December 31, 2015 at 11:57 pm

HANS ji;
Your example of Prem Pujari song reminds me of another SD song from Insaan Jag Uttha By Asha , Rafi and chorus :
Mehnat kar insaan jag uthaa…….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K5mjdx5bOQ
The tune is quite similar to Prem Pujari song .

681 ksbhatia January 1, 2016 at 12:00 am

SoY family ;
A very happy NEW YEAR To all the worthy friends from Bhatia family .

682 mumbaikar January 1, 2016 at 6:39 am

Bhatiaji,
Following you in wishing HAPPY NEW YEAR to SOY family.
And a very special Happy New Year to you and your family.

683 mumbaikar January 1, 2016 at 6:54 am

ksbhatia ji, Hans.
Thanks for sharing your favorites. I like Sadhna in black and white more than in color, in color she looked glamorous but in black in white she was simply sweet. And yes Lata did sing specially for her
Both in Parakh and Prem Patra she was … I have no adjectives for that.
Just experience the
Parakh, Mila hai kisika jhumka
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM6ZhcTO61M&feature=player_embedded
Prem Patra Ab aur na koochh bhi Yaad Raha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iM4znNXAqk&feature=player_embedded

684 arvindersharma January 1, 2016 at 9:10 pm

AK Ji and all my dear SoY friends,
Wishing You all my Best Wishes for a Very Happy New Year.
Coming straight to music, the examples given by you all about the dominant chorus songs are fabulous.
One I’ll add, a song from School Master, in which Mahendra Kapoor just sings the opening Mukhda, and the rest is sung by chorus.
Aaj andhere me hain bas insaan

https://youtu.be/79CZJAWDn50

As far as Rafi is concerned, he is my ever favorite.
Just can’t get over this NFS from a very early time, only the MD of the song is not known. I spoke to some, but nothing came over.
Experts are requested to please clarify

Is dil se teri yaad bhulayi nahi jaati
Ye pyar Ki daulat hai lutayi nahi jaati

https://youtu.be/X62rdLxp4Pc

685 AK January 1, 2016 at 10:25 pm

Arvinder Sharmaji,
Thanks for your New Year greetings and I wish you the same. How about songs which are entirely chorus with no identifiable voice, such as Nacho gaao nacho jhoom machao nacho?

There is already a New Year greetings post on SoY.

686 ksbhatia January 3, 2016 at 3:28 pm

Hans ji , Siddharth ji ;
I am coming back to the topic…. Chorus…. which I usually take as of five types :
1. Songs without words , only humming by chorus singers like ajeeb daastan hai yeh , Dil apna……

2. Songs with wording [ same as lines from the main song] and humming …… like … mud mud ke na dekh , shree 420.
3. Songs with words and no humming by chorus singers like…. savere wali gaadi se chale jaainge, Latt Saheb .

4. Songs by chorus singers only , as coated by AK ji …..naacho gao naacho from Amrapali

5. Songs of the kind of Opera Drama . [ This is a research subject for SoY ] I think there is one movie by Kishore Sahu which i am not able to recall [which has such songs] .

Coming back to the Bhai Bhai song , I think there is a hint of chorus [humming ] at 0 .06 to 0.09 in the song uploaded @ 656 i.e

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIMwRbkZW04

I feel this should fall in catg. 1 . The matter is placed for review .

687 Gaddeswarup January 7, 2016 at 6:02 pm

Aah1953 was dubbed as Prema Lekhalu in Telugu. In one song, I just noticed that the A.M.Rajasings first in Telugu whereas in Hindi version Lata Mangeshkar sings first. The Telugu version here http://youtu.be/hmNU6GrY810 Hindi version http://youtu.be/sver9O8K3t8

688 mumbaikar8 January 12, 2016 at 11:57 pm

ksbhatiaji,
It has been a while I have discussed any song with you.
In continuance of your Roza song for Rafi let me move to a Sehra sung by Rafi in Pak Daman.
I remember it glaring on loudspeakers from marriage pandals ( Good old when I was kid:)
Mubarak ho dulha dulhan lo ye shadi from Pak Daman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3o-TqxcV5k#t=159

689 AK January 13, 2016 at 10:01 am

Mumbaikar8,
Permit to enter and thank you profusely for refreshing my memory of this wonderful song. I was struck by its similarity to Naushad’s music, expecially its resemblance to Tere sadke balam, and then I noticed it was Ghulam Mohammad. Yet, full marks to him. I also thought of the irony of this song being forgotten, and an average song Baharo phool barsaao becoming a ‘great’ wedding song.

690 ksbhatia January 13, 2016 at 3:44 pm

Mumbaikar8 , AK ji ;
Many many thanks for this beautiful oldie song of Rafi sahib . This song along with …Chhoad babul ka ghar …..were essential ones to be played during wedding functions and biddaai times . Babul ki duain leti jaa …is still another bidaai song which is regularly played . Mera yaar bana hai dulah….from Chaudvin ka chand was another wedding song of the mid 60s. I think Naushad , S J , Ravi made such songs quite popular during peak of their careers . One can not forget Lata’s beautiful rendering….. Raja ki ayegi barat……a masterly composition of S J.

AK ji , You have really captured the pulse and beat of Rafi saheb song . I am also surprised of its similarity with the tune of Amar’s song . Even the interludes are like of the same composition .

Since the subject of biddai have come up in between , I am uploading one such song from old movie New Delhi .
Gori tere sapnoan ke sajna……Lata , Chorus…..SJ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymkfbETJSqc

691 AK January 13, 2016 at 5:52 pm

KS Bhatiaji,
The New Delhi song is joyous, but the bride seems to be sad. There are some more wedding songs of joy where the ladies are oblivious of the turmoil going inside the bride.

692 mumbaikar8 January 13, 2016 at 6:17 pm

AK,
Thanks for appreciation.
Incidentally when recently I heard this song I thought about how Naushad and Ghulam Mohamed influenced each other’s music and how Baharon phool barsao pushed this soulful Sehra into oblivion.

ksbhatiaji.
Thanks.
I do not much like Babul ki duayen leke ja .l feel that Rafi has gone overboard at times ( I have heard the story of his duaghter’s bidai and him getting emotional).
But the fact is whenever I felt Rafi had gone overboard that song had hit the popularity chart, that proves the Music Directors knew better.

693 ksbhatia January 13, 2016 at 11:22 pm

AK ji; @691 ,
The bride [ Jabeen ] is sad as the marriage is against her will . The situation is similar to Chori Chori song……Manbhavan ke ghar jai gori….in which Nargis is forced to marry Pran against her wishes . This is also a beautiful song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cND0Hi97GfI
That reminds me of one of the best song [ not related to the topic ] by Lata ji …..Rasik balma…. from the same movie . This song is entirely Jaikishan’s composition .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4HdSygZrnc

Mumbaikar8;
I agree with you . The emotional lines seems to be enforced upon Rafi sahib resulting in the dilution of his rendering . On the other hand the Seema song ….kahan ja raha hai ……had a natural emotional throttle . Jaikishan was addement not to rerecord this song because of its correct natural emotional rendering . Convincing Shanker was a little harder for him .

AK ji,
Above two songs were for the situation when the brides marriage to the hero was forced upon her against her wishes . Well here is the one where happiness prevails in every frame of the song . One of the best by Lata ji’s song and Vyjantimala’s beautiful expressive mood and dance .
…..sun re sakhi mohe sajna bulaye…..Nagin…..Hemant kumar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8KH_irQSec

694 Gaddeswarup January 14, 2016 at 3:36 pm

ksbhatiaji at 693, Richard Singer has a couple posts on this topic https://roughinhere.wordpress.com/2011/11/02/dancing-up-a-storm-while-the-bride-suffers-at-her-unwanted-wedding/ and https://roughinhere.wordpress.com/2010/08/02/unwanted-weddings/ and may be more. There are some links in the comments too. Regards, swarup

695 Gaddeswarup January 14, 2016 at 4:08 pm

Ksbhatiaji, Another theme I have wondering about. There seem to be several excellent songs with ‘ nain mile’ ‘mile nain’ or slight variations thereof. I wonder whether you will mention a few good ones at some stage. One of my favourites so far is a Pakistani song http://youtu.be/s30geA0gWxs

696 mumbaikar8 January 14, 2016 at 9:03 pm

Ksbhatiaji,
Thanks for sharing the anecdote about SJ I did not know it.
I personally believe that MD who could tap Rafi’s talent to fullest was SDB. Tang aa chuke hai fron Pyasa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf0LsH0Chf4

697 ksbhatia January 15, 2016 at 12:16 am

Mumbaikar8 ;
I think not only SDB almost all the MDs of golden era like Naushad , SJ, MM , Roshan , O P N and others were as effective in utilising Rafi’s great talent . Not only range it matter most was rafi sahib’s effective modulation of words .
Tang aa chuke hain ….is of course beautiful verse rendering .
After a long time I have come across two similar songs that span ten years in between their composition . Listen to them and get surprised.

1.Raakh na ramakadaa…..Geeta dutt, A R Oza….Mangal Phera.[1949]…Avinash Vyas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSe9doG9qwI
2.Tora manwa kyun gabhraye re…..Geeta dutt…Sadhna[ 1959]….N. Dutta

698 ksbhatia January 15, 2016 at 12:18 am

…..in continuation
tora manwa…….https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVjHjfWd3cE

699 mumbaikar8 January 15, 2016 at 5:54 am

Ksbhatiaji,
I will surprise more, this tune was used by Avinash Vyas himself in hindi movie Dashavtar 1951 before N dutta used it in Sadhana
Dashavtar: Khel re khilone teri kaya aanijani re
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doQpgbf1UFI

700 AK January 15, 2016 at 10:35 pm

KS Bhatiaji, Mumbaikar8
Just thought I should refresh your memory that this song and its versions were first mentioned by Ashok Vaishnavji in his post on Hindi-Gujarati version songs.

701 ksbhatia January 15, 2016 at 10:51 pm

AK ji9;
Oh, thats great ! Any how I enjoyed listening to all of these version songs. I suppose being bhakti pooja song they all were like that.

702 ksbhatia January 15, 2016 at 11:19 pm

Gaddeswarup ji; @695,
Thanks for the links . Richard gave quite a number of songs from Pakistani movies . I suppose there are many such songs in Indian punjabi movies as well, in fact in practically every other movie carried such songs . Here is one such song from Bhangra .
cheti doli toar babula….Shamshad , chorus….Bhangra…Hansraj Behl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UNcwLd60Jw

703 ksbhatia January 15, 2016 at 11:43 pm

Here is mine good night sad melody of the day .
Aye mohabat meri duniya mein tera kaam na tha……….Bees sal baad…….Hemant and Shakeel at their best .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoZEaY9ghjc

704 mumbaikar8 January 16, 2016 at 3:35 am

AK,
I had a doubt that the similarity of Rakh na rarmakda and Tora manva kyoon gabhraye was discussed somewhere but did not know where.
The song from Dashavtar song khel re khone teri kaya aani jaani was not.

705 Ravindra Kelkar January 16, 2016 at 11:53 am

Dear All,
Today is OP Nayyar’s birthday. I post this song, as a rememberance, the number one OP duet for me – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beqTRIpoos8

706 ksbhatia January 16, 2016 at 5:11 pm

Ravindra Kelkar’ji ;
Thanks for reminding O P Nayyar ‘s birthday . A very versatile MD of the era’s gone by . A perfectionist in his own right . Very lovable of his Rock N’ Role and traditional punjabi based tunes . Started his career with some of his finest tunes in Aasman . Here is one birthday song from Aasman itself .
Geeta dutt and chorus….. Pom pom pom baja bole……
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PovD-ZkFr7c

The interlude of this song was so popular that it became the signature tune of Binaca Geet Mala during 50s .

707 atina January 16, 2016 at 9:04 pm

ravindra kelkar # 705
after a duet here is an AB solo composed by OPN on his b’day :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1asF6O45Bg(…poochho na hamen ham unke liye.. from Mitti mein sona/1960/RMA Khan..). it seems this song has, atleast, 2 paras while the link has only one para in AB’s voice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNPyfc5QQiY is a rendering by sangeeta melekar and has 2 paras. the 2nd one can be heard from 3:10 onwards.

708 AK January 16, 2016 at 10:41 pm

KS Bhatiaji,
Where was this outstanding song hiding? Heard it for the first time. Hemant Kumar adapted this tune in Humne dekhi hai un aankhon ki mahakati khushboo to great effect.

709 Ravindra Kelkar January 17, 2016 at 12:17 am

KS Bhatiyaji,
Yes, you are right about the Aasman song, it was the signature tune for Binaca Geetmala, when it started.

AKji,
Did you really hear the Aasman song for the first time? If so, then
since you are not an OP fan(which of course, you have hinted in many of your posts), you are likely to get many such wonderful surprises in future also…..this I am saying in a lighter vein…so don’t take it seriously, I mean no offence…..Actually you are in a way lucky, I now have exhausted all OP offerings, so I look for such surprises from other MDs, in your write ups on SOY, as well as in the songs posted by the knowledgable readers in the comments.

atina,
You are right about the Mitti Me Sona song. Obviously it has two antaras, but due to limitations of the 78 rpm record, only one antara could be accomodated in 3:15 minutes. There are many such songs of earlier era, I remember “Jaiye Aap Kaha Jayenge” from Mere Sanam & “Aaja Mere Pyar ke Sahare” as well as “Kitna Haseen Hai Yeh Jahan” from Humsaya had only one antara in the 78 rpm record. Fortunately, later on HMV released the LPs of these films where we got the full song. However, there is no Video DVD available for Mitti Me Sona & hence we have only one antara available on the record. But thanks for the link which has two antaras, I had heard it before. The lyrics are by Raja Mehendi Ali Khan & they are wonderful.

710 AK January 17, 2016 at 12:38 am

Ravindra Kelkar,
Probably we are talking of different songs. I was referring to KS Bhatiaji’s offering in #703 Ae mohabbat meri duniya mein tera kaam na tha from Bees Saal Baad. This I was hearing for the first time, but I instantly recognised that Hemant Kumar used the same tune later in Humne dekhi hai in aankhon ki mahakati khushboo in Khamoshi. My fault, because I should have realised he had posted another song after that.

711 gaddeswarup January 17, 2016 at 2:05 am

A suggestion: Is it possible to add a ‘like’ button to comments? While browsing through comments, it may help focus on some.

712 mumbaikar8 January 17, 2016 at 7:18 am

Remembering O P Nayyar with songs of two singers he liked but did not work enough.
Geeta Dutt In 12 O Clock kaisa jadu balam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nx2CNe1ACpY

Talat in Baaz Mujhe dekho hasrat ki tasveer hoon maim
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEpvclPJ1-Q

713 mumbaikar8 January 17, 2016 at 7:28 am

AK,
I tried listening both the songs ay mohabbat teri duniya me tera kaam na tha and Humne dekhi un aankhon ki mehakti khoosboon back to back but do not find it similar.

714 AK January 17, 2016 at 1:06 pm

Mumbaikar8,
I heard it again, and again I felt similarity. Let us see if others notice it.

715 ksbhatia January 17, 2016 at 11:41 pm

AK, Ravindra Kelkar[jis], Mumbaikar8;
Thanks . I knew this song …. aye mohabbat….. will attract many listeners because of its sheer magical quality . Not only the song that is masterly crafted in terms of its beautiful lyrics and composition but for Lata’s emotional rendering to each and every word as well . To top it all by Waheeda ji’s expressive acting making each frame a beauty to find place atop fireplace of every vintage art collector. If I remember correctly , this movie got many filmfare awards including best song [ kahin deep jale kahin dil ] , best music , best lyrics , best B @ W photography, best editing, best film [ ? ] etc .

I Think many will agree that this song should have been clubbed with ….kahin deep jale….song as co-winner of best song [ Lata , Shakeel ]…… or may be better .

Now I think this song ….aye mohabat…. carries an un parallel song tag
and deserve not to be weighed against any other song. But, at the back of your mind one just reallise that Hemant ji [ in hamne dekhi hai ] sort of remoulded this song by giving it a little faster beat and pace , keeping the same orchestration that resulted in different style and scale .
I will vote the two songs to be on different platform.

716 ksbhatia January 19, 2016 at 12:31 am

My good night sleep song of today ……..Hai zindgi usiki jo hans hans ke de guzar…… Lata ji…..Poonam [1952]……SJ.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zDSo0PKKUA
This melody should be a taste of every one’s cup .

717 ksbhatia January 19, 2016 at 11:43 pm

AK ji ;
Revisiting my old collection of SJ’s most beautiful crafted songs decorated with jewels of Shailendra and Hasrat Jaipuri . Hope this will find many thumbs up .

1.Hum dard ke maroan ka…….Talat…….Daag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRlfzE9WbW0
2.Koi nahin hai mera is jahan mein………Talat….Daag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZdbCDSLHig
3. Andhe jahan ke andhe raaste….Talat…….Patita
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_QKUWk6anI
4.Tujhe apne paas bulati hai teri duniya….Talat….Patita
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhN4ucpcOOA

I will leave with a happy note for my good night sleep song :
……..Kisine apna bana ke mujhko ……..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmSsc9AnQEo

718 AK January 20, 2016 at 7:21 am

You are in a Talat-SJ mood! You have left out Ae mere dil kahin aur chal? A good one is in Shikast.

719 ksbhatia January 22, 2016 at 12:04 am

AK ji;
With winter in high mode in delhi and north india sunshine is depriving all of us to counter the chill . The …..thandi hawa …..songs are adding more chill to this weather .
……Thandi hawain lehrake aayen……
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1TtVax2t-s
…….Thandi hawa yeh chandni suhani…….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-AJ7HxlUFU
…….Thandi thandi hawa pooche uska pataa…….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6qpIY3x2LM
These songs and hot water bottle…….my good night sleep songs.

720 ksbhatia January 22, 2016 at 11:24 pm

AK ji;
Some time back reference cropped up of Dholak song …chori chori aag se laga ke….as one of your fav. song . Well I have found one more song similar in beats and rhythm . Hope you will like it.
………Chori choriaag se laga ke……..Dholak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0JKLvRADwg
……..Chalo chalo chale hum…..Alibaba and 40 Thieves
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY02XKRI4lk

721 ksbhatia January 22, 2016 at 11:35 pm

My good night sleep song
……Jhomti hai nazar jhoomta hai pyar…..Rafi, Asha…..Alibaba and 40 Thieves.[ 1956]…..S N Tripathi .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R06cYj0MpKY
One of the best duet and very different from many of S N Tripathi’s other classical songs .

722 ksbhatia January 25, 2016 at 4:25 pm

A small correction for above . The movie is Hatimtai and not Alibaba……

723 ksbhatia January 27, 2016 at 10:47 pm

AK ji ;
After witnessing Republic Day celebrations thru out the country a wish list of songs based on cities / villages / mohallas / rivers crop up in my mind. As a first of such songs I am posting a song from Lahore….A beautiful duet by Lata ji and Karan Dewan and music by Shayam Sunder…..
……..Dunya hamare pyar ki yun hi jawan rahe….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emO9aQbCHcs

724 Ravindra Kelkar January 28, 2016 at 2:54 pm

Dear All,
It’s OP Nayyar’s 9th death aniversary today. As a tribute, I post link to the first song recorded by OP in his film music career from the film Aasman sung by CH Atma –
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RFjRr7WPy8

725 ksbhatia January 30, 2016 at 12:30 am

A K , Ravindra Kelkar [ ji’s ] ;
O P Nayyar started with unique sad songs in his first film itself and moved on to some lively musical high beat songs that made every one to put on their dancing shoes . He made us feel as his best listeners and dancers to his fast based melodies when rock n role was in vough . He was perfect fit for spy movies loaded with guns , gals and guitars . Of course horse beats were his signature Id .

While looking for some more sad songs , I was bowled over by this beautiful meloncoly song by Lata ji from Hoor E Arab with music by Ghulam Mohd.
…………….Dar dar ki thokerien hain……
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K91_fPISXpE

726 Ravindra Kelkar January 30, 2016 at 1:39 pm

KS Bhatiyaji,
A very fine song you have posted from Hoor E Arab. One of the innumerable Lata songs of similar type/situation/words, but still of top quality. In case of Lata, I suppose it’s the more the merrier (though these songs are of sad mood).

727 mumbaikar8 January 30, 2016 at 9:50 pm
728 ksbhatia January 30, 2016 at 11:43 pm

Peace for all on this day.
….Allah tero naam……Lata ji……Hum Dono…..Jaidev
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-D79D7m64B8

729 ksbhatia January 31, 2016 at 12:30 am

Ms Mumbaikar8 , AKji, Ravindra Kelkar ji , Jignesh Katodia ji ;
A very rare sweet melody par excellence by one and only Lata ji in the relatively unknown film…Saloni ….with music by Basant Prakash , yet again little known MD .
….Meri veena ke sur saat re…..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hf6Aymj6OHY
Posting this song after listening it several time . Hope every one will like it.

730 Ravindra Kelkar January 31, 2016 at 3:05 pm

kabhatiyaji,
A very fine song indeed, the musical interludes are very interesting. Somehow, the song reminds me of some other familiar song, which I am unable to locate. However, I wonder, why the tune is so meloncholic ? The words of the song are of philosophical nature, with no hint of sadness.

731 Rudolph Lambert Fernandez January 31, 2016 at 9:36 pm
732 AK February 1, 2016 at 8:32 am

Rudolph Lambert Fernandez,
Welcome to SoY and thanks a lot for introducing us to your lovely article. I must say your article enhances the beauty of the song. And come to think of it, the setting is most commonplace: the first bridal night when the husband gets to have a glimpse of his wife for the first time. Only the eternal romantic Guru Dutt – the ‘eccentric genius’ – who was a master of song picturisation, could have infused so much beauty in the song.

733 ksbhatia February 1, 2016 at 4:04 pm

AK’ji ;
A beautiful analysis of chaudvin ka chand song by Mr. R L Fernandez . Really you don’t have to be a master of the language to understand the words , it is the masterful contribution of the various artiste that brings out their very best . Camera movement , following each line of the song and capturing beautiful expressions has been masterly captured . Guru dutt was the master of picturisation of songs and this fact can be seen in almost all of his movies .
As far as waheeda ji’s performance …I think she excelled in each frame of this song . Here I will recall her song …..Aye mohabbat meri duniya mein tera kam na tha….from Bees saal baad . Watching this song , frame by frame , is a treat for the passionate lovers of poetry translating into beautiful visual treatment by Artiste , Cameraman and Editor . Of course the beauty of the lyrics and composer’s composition of the matching tune is a pre – requiste for such songs to get the milestone status .
…..Prem Jogan ban ke …….from Mughal E Azam is another such song [ though not a wedding night song ] which has achieved milestone datum as the most romantic scene ever filmed .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEIE87CAMXA

Bees Saal Baad song…..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSAhlLYnkK4

734 ksbhatia February 1, 2016 at 4:20 pm

Ravindra Kelkar ji ;
Perhaps you are looking for …….Mera chota sa dekho yeh sansar hai…..song from Bhai Bhai .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQgW2TIxaz0

Or , perhaps a 1942/1944 song from an old movie starring Vyjantimala’s mother which I am not able to recall .

Saloni song is not available in movie /song format . It is difficult to asses the sadness factor quoted by you .

735 ksbhatia February 3, 2016 at 12:23 am

Ms Mumbaikar8 ;
One more addition to Wai Wai songs :
……..Aye hoon badi door se……Suman Kalyanpur….Sakhi Robin…Robin Bannerjee
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iem7QMIiikY
I know there is one more such song from a film of the likes of Arabian fantasy movies starring Ajit which i am not able to locate . so the subject is still alive .

736 Rudolph Lambert Fernandez February 3, 2016 at 5:21 pm

Many thanks “AK” & “ksbhatia”. Today is Waheeda’s birthday so I very much hope you will share the article widely in your circles. Very best wishes

737 mumbaikar8 February 3, 2016 at 6:01 pm

ksbhatiaji,
I am kind of busy last few days, have less time for music.
I will try to search the song you are looking for soon, till then I am enjoying the songs you are posting.

738 ksbhatia February 3, 2016 at 11:58 pm

AK’ji;
My good night sleep songs . This time two from the treasure of Salil Da .
……Sawan ki raatoan mein aisa bhi hota hai……Talat, Lata ji…..Prem patra
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKHr_afJM90
………..Thandi thandi saawan ki phhuwar…Asha ji….Jagte Raho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tCiGRyh7vA

739 ksbhatia February 8, 2016 at 11:25 pm

AK ji ;
A beautiful rare song by Asha ji from …..Duniya hai dil waloan ki….with Jimmy as MD .
……..Dil liya gam diya kya kiya…..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv657z0FXEM

740 A. N. Gandhe February 9, 2016 at 5:19 pm

I do not know why i have to do this again. I was already subscribed.

741 AK February 9, 2016 at 10:31 pm

AN Gandhe,
I don’t know myself. I face the same thing often with Anuradha Warrier’s blog to which I have sebscribed. But thanks for persisting.

742 ksbhatia February 11, 2016 at 11:10 pm

AK’ji ;
After a break from the main stream songs I was listening to the great melodies of Naushad sahib’s songs and came across this wonderful song/music that he has left us for years to enjoy . The song is just a one liner having the longest prelude [5.30 m] and perhaps with longest choral singing as well . The song …..Ab raat milan ki….is by Rafi from the film Jadoo . I have heard many lengthy dance numbers in various movies [ like dream sequence of Aan] by Naushad sahib , but being this, as a song , stand clears from the rest .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiL5aO8UzBo

743 ksbhatia February 11, 2016 at 11:28 pm

……in continuation
Another such song with longest prelude music/choral is by Shanker Jaikishan in the movie April Fool . The song is …..Aa gale lag ja mere sapne mere apne……by Rafi . The longer version is not available on YT . Another longest prelude music/choral song by SJ is ….Dil ke jhaokhe mein …from Brahamchari.

744 AK February 12, 2016 at 6:33 am

KS Bhatiaji,
Thanks for sharing this. This is indeed a long dance, but didn’t have much of Rafi’s song.

745 gaddeswarup February 15, 2016 at 3:34 pm

A Hindi song from A telugu film Tyagayya 1946
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0ans2xSbpU
by Jayavanthi Devi http://www.thehindu.com/fr/2005/11/11/stories/2005111104350200.htm
Lyrics by J.A.Rahman (?)

746 AK February 15, 2016 at 10:10 pm

Gaddeswarupji,
Is there something wrong with the audio of the first song? The song seems to be mute.

747 gaddeswarup February 16, 2016 at 11:15 am

AKji at #746. It seems fine on my laptop as well as iPad. There were other instances of Hindi songs and other language songs. In Telugu films. One film Bhakta Prahlada had even some conversations in different languages. Here the accent seems South Indian. So I wondered how others would react to it and I was also curious about the song and whether it is well known in the north at some stage.

748 AK February 17, 2016 at 5:13 pm

Gaddeswaru[ji,
I could hear the song. Wonderful! Thanks a lot. I am aware of several Hindi songs in Bengali films. But this must be a rare case in a South Indian language film. The song is a typical Urdu ghazal, sung in the style of 40s.

749 ksbhatia February 19, 2016 at 12:19 am

My good night song……
….Main dil hun ek arman bharraa…..
Talat……Anhonee……Roshan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ6wD5K9R5Y

750 ksbhatia February 26, 2016 at 12:29 am

My good night song….
…..Nazon ke pale…….
Talat……Shahenshah……….SDB
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGQDWASm_dQ

The prelude of this beautiful song is heard in one of the SJs old movie also . I have to catch up with that .

751 ksbhatia February 28, 2016 at 12:31 am

Rafi saheb , greatest singer at his sweetest best ….
1……Mere geeton ka singhar ho tum……[ Non filmi]…..Khayaam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RS4SBGDiiB4
2……Main kab gata………..[ Non filmi ]………MD[?]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFA78pUW3nU

3. Gazab kiya tere wade ne……..[ Non filmi]……Khayaam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yinsk0nHrQo

752 addeswarup March 4, 2016 at 3:57 am
753 addeswarup March 4, 2016 at 4:10 am

Is this a genuine version song?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPm5vfKuLjs

754 AK March 4, 2016 at 3:34 pm

Gaddeswarupji,
By removing one letter from your name you have tested the computer’s limitations. It kept your comments for moderation.

Both songs are a wonderful find. Everything about Aao kabhi milne is rare. Not only the singer Dolly Qwatra (HFGK mentions Kaatrak), the lyricist Shambul Haque Shams and the music director, Suleman Dafrani, are unknown names. It is listed under Appendix, which is for films which could not be released, but whose songs were released.

Aa ja sanam madhur chandni me hum is a genuine version song in the sense another set of famous singers (at least one of them, Geeta Dutt) has sung the well known duet. However, this is not in any film; they might have sung it in some concert. I do not know whether Ashok M Vaishnav would count it under his MVS type, because such songs are too many.

755 Gaddeswarup March 4, 2016 at 4:28 pm

AKJi at 754. Sorry. It was early in the morning and I have not been sleeping well and the laptop usually omits g unless I press it hard and the iPad keeps changing spellings. A collaborator from Michigan has been here for seven weeks and I had to get back to mathematics and usually I do not sleep well when I do mathematics intensely. Anyway the work seemed to be essentially over a couple of days ago and started browsing songs again. Thanks for the information and I wonder how many interesting songs are still out there.

756 Gaddeswarup March 4, 2016 at 5:18 pm
757 ksbhatia March 9, 2016 at 12:06 am

Sweet sad song by Asha ji from Saranga , a beautiful composition by Sardar malik . Nice picturisation and acting as well .

…..Chali re chali main to desh paraaye……..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGk8Z1lJjEE

Surely a delight for sad songs collectors.

758 ksbhatia March 16, 2016 at 12:00 am

AK ji and all others @729 ;
After listening to Basant Prakash ‘s melody ……Meri veena ke sur saat re….from Saloni I have come across another melodious song by Lata ji by the same composer , Basant Prakash , from the old movie Badnam . The song is of repeattive quality , soothing and hence chosen for good night sleep .
…….Sajan tumse pyar karun mein …….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nS2hjx4CVo

759 ksbhatia March 27, 2016 at 1:04 pm

AK ji;
Posting of two sad songs @56 of ….Ode to the great indian family…..reminds me of another sad english song which I use to listen during mid 70s .
A very emotional song …..Nobody’s child…..by Karen Young
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs9Lt1QEyLA

760 ksbhatia March 31, 2016 at 3:11 pm

One more addition to wai wai songs…..

….Husn majedar ji…..Shamshad , chorus….Sindbad the sailor….Chitragupt….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvT84Q_itCY

761 ksbhatia April 5, 2016 at 12:04 am

Varinder Sharma ji ;
Dattaram’s oldies . SJ’s assistant at his best in Qaidi no 911 .

Tere teer ko hamne pyar se ……Lata., chorus….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7ya51_Vgis

Yeh khile khile taare……Lata, chorus……

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euAkpUKTss0

762 ksbhatia April 22, 2016 at 11:59 pm

AK ji ; Enjoying the soft songs for my evening time to share with others.

1. Jhoomti hai nazar jhoomta hai pyar……Rafi, Asha….Hatimtai…SNT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R06cYj0MpKY

2. Dil ki baazi jeet ke bhi haare….Rafi…Madan manjari….Sardar Malik

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KK-0e0bjDA

3. Tere hum o sanam…..Rafi, suman……Bachpan…..Sardar Malik

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYqOKsQYZQY

4. Tu kahan mein kahan……Suman Kalyanpur….Vazr e Azam….Robin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGDQHUMmvw0

763 gaddeswarup April 23, 2016 at 9:59 am
764 gaddeswarup May 11, 2016 at 3:38 pm

Another Quereshi, Iqbql http://youtu.be/6klAHAdi3bc

765 gaddeswarup May 11, 2016 at 4:05 pm

Oops.i was a bit confused by various Quereshis and hence the comment at 764.

766 ksbhatia May 15, 2016 at 11:21 pm

Gaddeswarup’ji ;
The beautiful duet of Lata, Geeta dutt……Ta thaiya karte aana……already exists in the main AK’s theme of forgotten composers unforgotten melodies on Iqbal Qureshi .

Meanwhile, here is rarest of the rare duet of Mukesh and Shamshad begam [ i am not sure wheather she is the singer here ] . The film is unknown . Some one may have some idea .

…..Mr Mizazi aapa chorusta pe atkiyaji……Film and MD ….unknown.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Jy0AQJKNY8

767 ksbhatia May 15, 2016 at 11:30 pm

……in cntinuation……

Yes the film is Dhani Lugaai , a rajasthani movie of 1964 . MD is still unknown . Any way a good old comedy song heard for the first time .

768 gaddeswarup May 17, 2016 at 1:59 pm
769 ksbhatia June 4, 2016 at 2:41 pm

Sad to know the demise of Suresh Chatwal . A simple man with great talent. He was a Butlarian [ Harcourt Butler higher secondary school , mandir marg, new delhi ] of 1963 batch and was my class mate . He had big dreams of becoming film star at that point of time and pursued his dream joining FTII ,Pune.
A fav. of Hrishikesh mukerji , played Jaya Bahaduri’s brother in Milli , a small role but very nicely played. He was famous for his role in TV serial Nukkad .
May his soul rest in peace .