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Songs of Yore has been known for its adda-like atmosphere where the readers often wandered quite far from the theme under discussion. Yet, there must have been occasions when they felt the need for a separate page where they could post anything which did not fit in anywhere on the blog.  Open House is borne out of the readers’ suggestion to meet this need. This is your forum; everything relating to films and songs of yore, or whatever else you want to share with like-minded people, is welcome here.  –  AK

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1 AK November 3, 2014 at 11:19 am

R.I.P. Sadashiv Amrapukar
This is not the kind of start I would have imagined for Open House. As I was about to inform the readers about the creation of this link, to cater for discussion on topics which may not fit anywhere else on the blog, in came the news of his passing away early this morning after a prolonged illness. It is eerie because a weak ago rumours of his death spread, prompting many sites to post their condolences.

Sadashiv Amarpurkar was not lucky this time. He has been on life support for a couple of weeks in a Mumbai hospital, from complications out of prolonged diabetes. He had started responding to the treatment, but finally gave up the struggle, leaving this world at a relatively young age of 64.

I loved the कुटिल मुस्कान of the creepy politician in Ardha Satya. There have been bad politicians before, but never one like Rama Shetty, whose courteous welcome with a sly smile would fill the honest Inspector (Om Puri) with helpless, silent rage. He was the fulcrum of that great Govind Nihalani classic. There have been bad politicians since, but they had to be over the top, and they had to blow up the country, they had to kill and maim thousands with bombs or missiles or spurious drugs to be noticed, but none I remember as sharply as I do Rama Shetty, which fetched Sadashiv Amrapurkar Filmfare Award for the Best Supporting role, in his debut in Hindi films. Such class act happens once in a lifetime, but I remember him in Mohra and some other films; he always made impact with his distinct accent and dialogue delivery.

May his soul rest in peace.

SoY readers have wide-ranging interests, which shows in their comments on the blog. Hans gave a concrete idea to create a separate link for such general discussion; he also suggested some names, like Chaupal etc. I felt ‘Open House’ sounded more appropriate. You would find its link prominently at the top.

Welcome to the Open House. Today is an unfortunate coincidence, but in the days to come we would have nicer things to discuss.

AK

2 arvindersharma November 3, 2014 at 12:11 pm

AK Ji,
Thanks for the quick response and I would also like to thank Hans Ji, whose idea has given birth to this post.
I too would like to join you in paying my respects to the departed soul.

3 N.Venkataraman November 3, 2014 at 3:17 pm

AK ji,
Thanks for this wonderful addition. My thanks to Han ji for initiating this idea.
I also join you in paying my respects to Sadashiv Amrapukar’ soul.

4 Ashok M Vaishnav November 3, 2014 at 4:23 pm

Even as we join open house with an obituary, the fact that such a forum is now available helps to move ahead with such dichotomies of life.
Let us make this forum a great joint…..

Thanks, AKJi, for so wonderfully responding tour readers’ views. Marketing professionals should learn a lesson form you!

5 mumbaikar8 November 3, 2014 at 6:32 pm

AK,
Joining in paying my respects to Sadashiv Amrpurkar. He will always be remembered as Rama Shetty. What a performance!
Thanks to Hans for proposing,to Sharmaji for pushing the idea of the open house.
And biggest thanks to you for responding so wonderfully I truly ditto Ashok ji views.

6 ksbhatia November 3, 2014 at 8:29 pm

SOY family, Felt really sad to know the demise of Sadashiv Amrapurkar . He will be remembered forever for his milestone performance in Ardha Satya .

7 maheshmamadapur November 4, 2014 at 12:03 pm

RIP Sadashiv Amrpurkar. The first recipient of Filmfare’s Best Actor in a villainous role.

For my knowledge enrichment and passion of old hindi songs, let me break the ice with the following questions.

Did Mukesh ever have sing a duet with Amirbhai Karnataki, Jagit Kaur or NoorJahan? Who is Noorjehan singing with Mukesh in Do Bhoond Pani under the music direction of Jaidev ?

Its really unfortunate that Mukesh is so unrepresented in above combos in spite of being the senior-most amongst many of his contemporaries .

I don’t have any clue of my own questions and also don’t know if its appropriate to ask such questions here, but as I said I just wanted to break the ice and get things moving.

Regards to all SOY members.

8 AK November 4, 2014 at 10:08 pm

Mahesh,
This is absolutely the right forum for such questions. From all the available information, it appears Mukesh did not have any duet with Amirbai Karnataki, which is surprising because he had duets with most vintage singers, such as Zohrabai Ambalewali, Rajkumari and Khursheed. One can be certain he did not have any duet with Noorjehan either, it feels odd to think of them together. Even with Rafi she had just one duet Yahan badla wafa ka bewafai ke siwa kya hai from Jugnu (1947). I checked up the Do Boond Paani song on YT. Noorjehan who is mentioned is definitely not the Malika-e-Tarannum Noorjehan. I have no clue about her.

Jagjit Kaur is an interesting case. Khayyam did give some very famous songs for Mukesh, couldn’t he create a duet between the two? I guess by that time Jagjit Kaur had left active singing. However, this would need confirmation from more knowledgeable people.

9 N Venkataraman November 4, 2014 at 10:39 pm

Mahesh ji,
You are right, Mukesh did not sing any song (as far as I know) with Jagjit Kaur, Noorjehan (Allah Wasai) or Amirbai Karnataki. But to keep the discussion moving I would like to add a few lines.

Mukesh and Amirbai Karnataki have worked together in two movies as playback singers. Mukesh rendered two solos, one duet with Zohrabai Ambalewali and two triads with Zoharabai Ambalewali and Geeta Roy in the film Preet Ka Geet (1950). Later in 1961, Mukesh sang two solos and Amirbai had one duet with Talat Mehmood in the film Matlabi Duniya.

Similarly Mukesh and Jagjit Kaur worked together as playback singers in only one film, Mutthi bhar chawal (1975). Mukesh had one solo and Jagjit Kaur rendered a duet with Mahendra Kapoor.

10 N Venkataraman November 4, 2014 at 10:43 pm

Amirbai Karnataki sang one sole in Preet ka geet (1950)

11 AK November 5, 2014 at 1:03 pm

Venkataramanji,
Mukesh and Zohrabai Ambalewali had a beautiful duet in Sartaaj (1950), composed by Husnlal Bhagatram – Manwa mein pyar dole. Zohra had another song in the movie. So, there could be more examples of their association.

12 N Venkataraman November 5, 2014 at 7:47 pm

AK ji,
Listened to the song Manwa mein pyar dole. Lovely duet. Both the songs mentioned by you were penned by Majrooh Sutanpuri.
As far as I know, Mukesh and Zohrabai Ambalewali together sang in three films. Besides Sartaj (1950) and Preet ka geet (1950), they had rendered two duets, Pyar se humko kaleje se Janno and Patthar se tum doodh bahawo, in the film Neel Kamal (1947). The songs were penned by Kedar Sharma and music was by B Vasudev.

13 Arunkumar Deshmukh November 5, 2014 at 10:19 pm

Venkataraman ji,

Allow me to state that Mukesh sang 5 songs with Zohrabai in 4 films
2 in neel kamal
1 each in Pagle,preet ka geet and Sartaj.

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14 N Venkataraman November 5, 2014 at 11:00 pm

Arun ji,
Namaskar.
I was not aware of the duet, O balma tere bina chain kahan, from Pagle (1950). Thanks for introducing me to another wonderful vintage song.
Beside the five duets, it seems Zohrabai Ambalevali, Mukesh and Geet Roy had rendered 2 more songs (triads) in the film Preet ka reet (Comment #9). The song Ek taraf jal raha deepak is available in YT. I could not locate the other song Jis ki vaani me bijli. I wonder how many more such hidden gems are there to be unearthed.

15 AK November 5, 2014 at 11:32 pm

Venkataramanji and Arunji,
So we have 7 songs having Mukesh and Zohrabai Ambalewali. Mahesh’s some other enquiry has led us to another useful information.

You have mentioned Neel Kamal and BV Vasudev. I believe he is the same person who later adopted the name of Snehal Bhatkar (after his daughter Snehal), to get around some contractual constraints. Mahesh had also mentioned Mukesh with Jagjit Kaur. The world is round. Let me give some Mukesh-Jagjit Kaur-Snehal Bhatkar connection. Jagjit Kaur sang Amir Khusro’s Kaahe ko byahi bides in Umraao Jaan (1981). Mukesh had sung the same song in Suhagraat (1948), composed by Snehal Bhatkar.

16 Arunkumar Deshmukh November 6, 2014 at 11:51 am

AK ji,

Snehal Bhatkar could not use his real name V.G.Bhatkar initially as he was employed by HMV. For few initial films he used names as follows-

1. Rukmini Swayamwar (1946) – Bilingual, with Sudhir Phadke as Vasudev-Sudhir
2. Neel Kamal (1947) – as B. Vasudev
3. Sant Tukaram (1948) – as V. G Bhatkar
4. Suhaag Raat (1948) – as Snehal
5. Sati Ahalya (1949) – as V. G Bhatkar
6. Thes (1949) – as Snehal
7. Hamaari Beti (1950)
8. Pagle (1950) – as V. G Bhatkar

However,from film Hamari Beti-1950 ( which came after film Pagle),he started using Snehal Bhatkar,because he had left HMV by then.
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17 AK November 6, 2014 at 3:28 pm

Arunji,
Thank you for this complete information

18 ksbhatia November 6, 2014 at 11:48 pm

AK’ji , A very little is known about Kanu ghosh , a forgotten MD, who gave a very beautiful sad song by Mukesh ” Do roz mein woh pyar ka alam ” a 1959 m0vie Pyar KI Rahen . Certain MDs appear for a short time and disappears with a trail of good songs to cherish later on . same happened to Daan Singh who left us with ” Woh tere pyar ka gaam “. I think Kanu Ghosh needs to be included in the Radar zone of forgotten MDs.

19 mumbaikar8 November 7, 2014 at 3:44 am

Bhatia ji,
Thanks for reminding this beautiful song Do roz me from Pyar ki rahen.
I distinctly remember my mom, listening this song on 78 rpm record, on the other side was Asha’s gem Hum bhi is duniya me kya taqdeer lekar aaye hai.

20 AK November 7, 2014 at 11:18 am

Bhatiaji,
Do roz mein wo pyar ka aalam wo pyar ka aalm guzar gaya is an immortal song. That makes him a worthy candidate for the series on Forgotten Composers. I need to find some more songs of his.

21 Arunkumar Deshmukh November 7, 2014 at 6:49 pm

AK ji,

Here is some information about Kanu ghosh, included by me in one of my articles…
” Kanu Ghosh worked as an assistant music director for movies like Do Bigha Zameen (1953), Madhumati (1958), Parakh (1960), Prem Patra (1962), Half Ticket(1962) and Annadatta (1972) etc etc
Kanu Ghosh’s songs were sung by the mellifluous voices of great playback singers like Manna Dey, Geeta Dutt, Mohammed Rafi, Mukesh, Lata Mangeshkar, Kishore Kumar, Asha Bhonsle, Alka Yagnik S. P. Balasubramaniam, Chitra, Kumar Sanu and Udit Narayan.
Prem Dhawan, Dev Kohli, Anand Bakshi, Javed Akhtar and Indeewar are some of the lyricists who penned the lyrics to some of his compositions.

Discography
Films
Naya Zamana (1957)
Pyar Ki Rahen (1959)
Do Roti-1957

After Television came to Bombay,kanu Ghosh joined Doordarshan as a music Director and was seen in many ” Sahgaan”s,conducting the orchestra.

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(Please see Arunji’s revised notes at #34 – AK)

22 AK November 7, 2014 at 7:54 pm

Arunji,
This is very useful. Open House now truly becomes a forum for sharing.

23 ksbhatia November 7, 2014 at 7:56 pm

Arunkumar Deshmukh ji , Thanks for the detailed information . I must confess that it was just a chance i picked up the Mukesh number and got so much involved in the sadness of the song. Now I find that his [ Kanu ghosh ] association with Salil Da during 60s was superb . And with others I will dig thru . Mumbaiker8 ji, thanks for sharing the feelings. right now I will listen to Asha’s song suggested by your goodself.

24 mumbaikar8 November 7, 2014 at 8:24 pm

Mahesh raised a question “who is Noor Jahan singing in Do Boond Pani”,
That is still a mystery.
This song from Pakistani movie Yahudi Ki larki the singer is undoubtedly Asha , now the question is, has she sung for Pakistani movie or the MD had the rights for the song and used in a Pak movie ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-VhRPhtTFU

25 Arunkumar Deshmukh November 7, 2014 at 9:59 pm

Mumbaikar ji,

Till about 1965,there was almost a free flow between the film artistes of India and Pakistan. During this period actresses like Meena(Shorey) did few films in India-though migrated to Pakistan,and Sheila Ramani did a film Anokhi in 1955 in Pakistan. Talat,Hemant,Geeta and Asha sang songs in Pakistani films. Most times the Pakistani crew used to come here,record the songs and go back. Composer Timir Baran Bhattacharya gave music to 2 West Pakistani films-Anokhi-55 and Fankaar-56 and Jog Biyog-70 in East Pakistan. So,really speaking there is no mystery at all about Asha’s song.
As far as the Noorjahan song is concerned,it seems there was another younger Noorjahan who sang few songs in Hindi films. She has no connection with the original Noorjaham. However not much information is available on this jr. Noorjehan.
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26 mumbaikar8 November 7, 2014 at 10:25 pm

Arunji thanks for the prompt and detailed reply.

27 maheshmamadapur November 8, 2014 at 11:58 am

AK ji,

Several confusions to be cleared. I must come in now.
#8. You have forgotten to add the word “not” in the last line of the first para and changed the whole meaning of the sentence. How I wish what you have written was true.

#20 woh tera pyar ka gham was scored by Daan Singh of whom you already have a great post. You meant to say you need to collect more songs and make a post of Kanu Ghosh I suppose. I know you are not mixing up, but a single para will confuse readers.

#21 Arun Sir, Kanu Ghosh assisting Salim Sulaiman? I find it very hard to digest. Unfortunately, I don’t know much about Kanu Ghosh and I don’t care to know about new composers. Please clarify.

28 Arunkumar Deshmukh November 8, 2014 at 12:21 pm

Mahesh ji,

Thanks for pointing out . Not only this name ,but the entire first paragraph has crept in inadvertantly. The entire para has to be removed. I am sorry for this lapse on my part.

AK ji,

Kindly remove the entire first para starting from ” Kanu Ghosh…..to
M.M.Kareem ” to avoid further confusion.
Thanks.

If Kanu ji knew that I joined his name with stalwarts like Anu malik and M M Kareem,he would haunt me on Amavasya,surely.

29 maheshmamadapur November 8, 2014 at 12:55 pm

Arun Sir,

I am also doubtful of the singers name like SP, Chitra et. al. and even some of the lyric writers mentioned in your comment #21. When he composed independently for very few movies in late 50’s and early 60’s these names simply don’t add-up.

30 Arunkumar Deshmukh November 8, 2014 at 1:50 pm

Mahesh ji,

Kanu Ghosh joined Doordashan and was with it for pretty long time presenting private songs sung by upcoming artistes. The singers/Lyricists’ names do not pertain only to his films,i believe.
Moreover he was music assistant for many films-
Annadata (music assistant)
1971 Mere Apne (assistant music)
1971 Anand (assistant musical director)
1969 Ittefaq (music assistant)
1965 Shaheed (assistant music)
1962 Half Ticket (music assistant)
1962 Prem Patra (music assistant)
1961 Chhaya (assistant music – as Kanu Ghose)
1961 Maya (assistant music)
1961 Mem-Didi (music assistant – as Kanu Gosh)
1961 Kabuliwala (chief assistant to music director)
1960 Kanoon (music assistant)
1960 The Test (assistant music)
1959 The River (assistant musical director)
1958 Madhumati (music assistant)
1957 Apradhi Kaun? (music assistant – as Kanu Ghose)
1957 Musafir (music assistant)
1956 Jagte Raho (assistant musical director)
1954 Biraj Bahu (music assistant)
1953 Do Bigha Zamin (music assistant)

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31 AK November 8, 2014 at 3:00 pm

Mahesh,
Thanks a lot for correcting the mistakes. Hope, now it is cleaned up. Every time I try to post some comment from a mobile phone, I end up with these bloomers.

Arunji,
I have corrected as desired. I would still add my doubts to Mahesh’s. Could he have worked with the singers of 90s and the new millennium, whose private songs are not well-known? There might be some mix-up again.

32 Arunkumar Deshmukh November 8, 2014 at 3:44 pm

I will check up and come back.

33 ksbhatia November 8, 2014 at 10:49 pm

SOY family, From the list provided by Arunkumar Deshmukh it is clear that Kanu Ghosh mainly assisted Salil da from 1953 -71 . For Jagte raho and Madhumati I think Sebistian [Asst to SJ] was also there as assistant to Salil da.

34 AK November 9, 2014 at 8:39 am

Revised note on Kanu Ghosh by Arunkumar Deshmukh

Arunji has informed me that there was some mix-up in the notes he prepared on Kanu Ghosh (#21 and subsequent interaction). I am posting the revised note he has sent me.

“Kanu Ghosh started his career in music in Calcutta in the 50s. However, except few songs by Geeta Roy and Hemant Da, he could not proceed further. On the invitation of Salil Chaudhary, he came down to Bombay and remained Salil Da’s assistant for more than 20 films. His first song, however, was in Teen Batti Char Raasta (1953). The composer Pt. Shivram had made a multilingual song for the film and the Bangla part of the song was composed by Kanu Ghosh.

“The films in which he contributed significantly for Salil Chaudhary were Do Bigha Zameen, Biraj Bahu, Naukari, Aawaz, Parivaar, Jaagte Raho, Apradhi Kaun, Madhumati, Parakh, Saara Aakash, Chhaya, Maaya, Kabuliwala, Usne Kaha Tha, Chhoti Si Baat, Mere Apne, Anand, Annadata, Chand Aur Suraj, Uranchhoo and Musafir.

“Some other films were The River, The Test, Kanoon, Prem Patra, Half Ticket, Shaheed and Ittefaq.

“He himself composed music only for 2 films: Naya Zamana (1957) and Pyar Ki Raahen (1959).

“After television came to India, he joined Doordarshan as a Choir Director. Before that he was Choir Director for Bombay University and also All India Radio. One could often see Kanu Ghosh on TV conducting chorus songs.”

35 Arvind R P November 9, 2014 at 10:25 am

Hi all, excuse me if this is an odd sounding post. I am trying to locate a classical song that used to come regularly in the DD era. Features a couple of singers in front of a Bengali aristocratic audience, feat. Rehman. Thunder and lightening happen in the song. Many thanks in advance

36 maheshmamadapur November 9, 2014 at 10:53 am

Well,let me now introduce an absolute gem. Off all the movies discussed wherein Kanu Ghosh assisted Salilda, one landmark movie is missing. Its “CHAR DIWARI”.

37 maheshmamadapur November 9, 2014 at 11:00 am

Continuation please…..

The movie is landmark because the titles show Shashi Kapoor as “introducing”.
This movie has a song rendered by Mukesh wherein he exceeds his own limit of vocal pathos which we commonly find in most of his sad songs.

Here is the gem..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbk_iQ-j5Co

38 maheshmamadapur November 9, 2014 at 11:44 am

I am sorry for the repeated botheration, but here’s a better audio song without the dialogues.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwLTup4bhGA

The song introduced by bhatiaji “Do roz mein wo pyar ka aalam” and this one from Char Diwari are my top favorites. I like these songs so much that I avoid listening to them often, for when I listen to them the next time, I once again would like to admire the phenomena called Mukesh.

39 AK November 9, 2014 at 4:17 pm

Arvind RP,
Welcome to SoY. Everything relating to music is welcome here. I should guess it was Sur Malhar by Pt Bhimsen Joshi. It came frequently. There was thunder in the song, besides the thunder in Panditji’s mesmerising voice towards the end. One of my greatest favourites. But I don’t remember who sat in the audience. The YT link unfortunately does not give the video. Here is the song, if this is the one you are looking for.

Pt Bhimsen Joshi sings Raga Sur Malhaar

40 AK November 9, 2014 at 4:29 pm

Mahesh,
What a coincidence, I think it was you who said recently that Duniya gol hai. A new reader, Arvind RP, just reminded me of Pt Bhimsen Joshi (if I am reading his mind correctly). One of his most popular pieces, which became kind of his signature song, was his Thumri in Mishra Kafi, Ab piya to maanat naahi, ab kaun gunan se mannaun re, and you come up with Mukesh’s Kaise manaaun piyawa gun mere eko naahi, one of the greatest songs of Mukesh in my list too.

41 ksbhatia November 9, 2014 at 11:35 pm

Mahesh, Thanks for another gem of Mukesh song from ” Char Diwari “. Mukesh has given us many sad songs to cherrish . Some time you come across so many songs and you suddenly find hidden ones ; such as these ;which take you back down the memory lane and leave you spellbound and connect you to your younger days. ” Saranga teri yaad mein ” , ” Aaj rona parra to samjhe hasne ka mole kya hai”, “Dukhi man mere sun mera kahena “,” Sun ja pukar “, ” Aari mehto prem diwani mera dard na jaane koy ” , ” Guzra hua zamana aata nahi dobaara ” ,” Aye mere dileye nadan tu gam se na gabhrana ” ” So bar janam lenge ” ……… These are some the songs which are coming at random in my mind. Listning to them after a period of time is a great pleasure .

42 Hans November 10, 2014 at 3:28 pm

Sorry for being so late in joining Open House. Thanks to AK and all my fellow readers for showing such love and affection for just an ordinary suggestion of mine. This thought had been lingering in my mind for quite some time because I wanted to post something but felt odd to do it without context. But, recently I had become very irregular. Now I saw our research zealots like Mumhaikar8, Arvinder Sharma, Ksbhatia, Mahesh and others posting their info in ongoing threads and the idea revived.

I am happy the open thread is serving its purpose. You can see how just one question by Mahesh elicited wealth of info from our stalwarts. I am would also say what I know about the points raised.

43 Hans November 10, 2014 at 4:52 pm

First, about the point raised by Mahesh. Lot of info has been given by Deshmukhji and Venkatramanji. About Amirbai I want to add that she sang in at least two more films in addition to those specified by Venkatramanji. These were Beete Din (1947) and Vidya (1948). In Beete Din Amirbai had five solos and Mukesh had one solo, but they did not have a duet together. Similarly in Vidya ( which was reverse of Sujata, where Dev Anand was low caste and Amirbai played the mother of Suraiyya ) Amirbai had three solos, while Mukesh had one solo and one duet with Suraiyya. It is a surprise that even after working together in 4 films they do not have a duet.

Mukesh had in fact duets with almost everyone of vintage era singers. Of the 152 songs of Mukesh from 1941 to 1950 – the list of which I have – 94 are duets. Of these 82 are male-female, 4 male-male and 8 mixed. Mukesh sang these 82 songs with a total of 20 female singers, starting with Nalini Jaywant. We do not find this variety in the later years. I agree with Mahesh that this period (which we call vintage era) of Mukesh or for that matter other singers needs to be mentioned more.

I am posting a song from Heer Ranjha released in 1970 in which Madan Mohan used three singers with panjabi background viz. Shamshad, Noorjehan and Jagjit Kaur. This was a marriage song and Noorjehan is unmistakeably singing there. Madan Mohan used them with special historic purpose. If Noorjehan came to sing this song, it is quite possible that Jaidev might have used her in Do Boond Paani with the same objective, because in that Mukesh song there is only one line sung by the female singer (from voice tone she does not appear to be Noorjehan).

Nache ang ve – Heer Ranjha (1970) – music Madan Mohan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J78nCh0ak5I

I will come back with more later.

44 maheshmamadapur November 10, 2014 at 6:00 pm

Jagjit Kaur was the assistant music director of Kabhie Kabhie 1976 in which Mukesh had 3 soulful solos and one great duet with Lata. She could have been assistant in other Khaiyyam movies also which I am not aware of.
So near yet so far as far as the combo with Jagjit Kaur is concerned.

45 Hans November 10, 2014 at 9:08 pm

There is no end to new discoveries in the golden era of hfm. When I was looking for Mukesh duets, I saw that he has five duets with Surinder Kaur which he sang in two 1949 films Dada (music Nashad) and Sunehre Din (music Gyan Dutt). Sunehre Din I had downloaded earlier but had not seen. When I watched the duet ‘lo ji sun lo tumse kehte hain’, I found that in the video clip Rehana is listening a record of Raj Kapoor (who is singer in the fillm) and also in between singing along the song. Earlier I had watched such a song in Oonche Log where Feroz Khan listens to Lata song ‘haye re tere chanchal nainwa’ on transistor and hums the mukhda (in Mahendra Kapoor’s voice) and thought it the first such song. Both the Sunehre Din and Oonche Log songs are top class. From Sunehre Din I am giving the link of Shamshad solo ‘thandi thandi hawa jo aaye’. Listen how Shamshad modulates her voice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPFDAwB3KcI

In cpmment 11 AK referred to ‘manwa men pyar dole’ which I had listened on radio long back. Even in those days I had related its tune with Lata song ‘nainon men pyar dole’ from film Sheroo (1957) in which Madan Mohan gave music. Please listen if I am right or not:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCNbenOIKRU

During the same research for Mukesh songs, I found this gem from film Gunjan (1948) sung by Nalini Jaywant. I had known that she sung a few songs, but had not known that she is such an accomplished singer. I was in fact stunned. On this level she could have competed with the best of singers and I am not sparing even Lata.
Jal barsaye nainwa man men kaisi aag lagi – music Ashok Ghosh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kgFT8TQMTk

46 ksbhatia November 10, 2014 at 9:59 pm

Mumbaiker ji , Subsequent to that great number of Mukesh ” Do roz mein ” I am presenting to you and to other worthy members of SOY a beautiful song of Rafi sahib from the movie Nartaki …” Zindgi ke safar mein akele thhe hum mil gaye tum to dil ko sahara mila ” . Now this must be a Milestone quite hidden from the fast moving life ; only to be rediscovered by geologist or anthro -excavators . Hope you will enjoy.

47 N Venkataraman November 10, 2014 at 11:01 pm

Thanks Hans Ji for the additional information on Amirbai Karnataki (#43) which I was not aware of. Indeed it is surprising that even after working together in 4 films between 1947 and 1961 they did not have a duet.
Is Sitara who sang two duets with Mukesh in Dukh Sukh (1942) and Sitara (Kanpur) who sang a duet with Mukesh in Pugree (1948) one and the same person? Was there any other singer named Sitara beside Sitara (Kanpur) and the dancer/actror Sitara Devi? It seems Sitara (Kanpur) mader her debut in 1944 film Man ka Jeet. If they are two different singers then the number of female singers with whom Mukesh sang goes up to 21. Not that it matters. It will be good if somebody clarifies.
Another observation- Out of these 82 duets only 9/10 songs were rendered in the first half (1941-45) by Mukesh with 6 female singers. Besides Nalini Jaywant and Sitara, the other four female singers being Kusum, Naseem Akhtar,Mohantara Talpade and Hamida Bano.The lions share (70+) of the duets were rendered in the second half (1946-50) with 14/15 female singers. The co singers of Mukesh being Shamsad Begum, Lata Mangeshkar, Hamida Bano, Raajkumari, Geeta Roy, Zohrabai Ambalewali, Surendra Kaur, Suraiya, Asha Bhosle, Binapani Mukherjee, Susheela Rani, Husn Bano, Sitara (Kanpur), Premlata and Sulochan Kadam.
Thanks for posting the wonderful song Jal barsaye nainwa man men kaisi aag lagi by Nalini Jaywant. You are right she was too good.
Thanks too for bringing to our notice the similarity between the songs manwa men pyar dole and nainon men pyar dole. Nice find.

48 N Venkataraman November 10, 2014 at 11:07 pm

Mahesh ji,
Besides Kabhie Kabhie Jagjit Kaur rendered a duet with Mahendra Kapoor in the 1975 film Mutthi bhar chawal. Mukesh had a solo number in this film. Needless to say the MD was Khaiyyam.

49 N Venkataraman November 10, 2014 at 11:13 pm

Mahesh ji,

Let me quote an interesting anecdote mentioned by G S Grewal in the Hindustan Times
“During a meeting with Khayyam Sahib and Jagjit Kaur in 1997, they narrated that once in the late 1950s, they were to pay an installment for their flat, and if they defaulted they would lose their flat; they tried their best, but got no help. Jagjit Kaur called Mukesh and explained, but he banged the phone down. Hardly had they recovered from the shock when Mukesh was at their door with the money. The reason for banging the phone down was he didn’t want to waste any more time!”

50 AK November 10, 2014 at 11:35 pm

Venkataramanji,
Sitara in Dukh Sukh should be Sitara Devi, the Kathak dancer, because she also acted in the film. I don’t think Sitara Kanpuri acted in any film. I think we have only two Sitaras – Devi (the actor-singer) and Kanpuri (the singer).

Hans,
Entirely agree with you on Nalini Jaywant; it is a surprise she didn’t pursue singing more seriously. The reason is obvious – she is in Lata Mangeshkar mould, and there was no room for two of them.

Nainon mein pyar dole is so flat compared to Manwa mein pyar dole, I would not put them in the same league.

51 Hans November 11, 2014 at 8:24 pm

Bhatiaji (#46),

You are right this is a great gem of Rafi and is lesser known. In fact, there are so many of such gems which are not known even to his staunchest fans. Ravi was a music director for whom I have a great respect. He put in lot of hard work and was honest to the core to his job and he always tried to do justice to his music in each of his film irrespective of the banner or the grade of the film. He shared this quality with Naushad and Chitragupta, who also tried to give their best in each film.

The whole score of Nartaki is great, but I would mention another song by Asha from this film, ‘aaj duniya badi suhani hai’. I am providing link of both these gems for fellow readers:
Zindagi ke safar men – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RCUFSlNnbY
Aaj duniya badi – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb5AR5c5gTM

52 Hans November 11, 2014 at 8:44 pm

Venkataramanji,
On the contrary I am thankful to you and Deshmukhji, that I came to know about not only the duet in Pagle, but I also found two triad songs of Mukesh in that film. I have one more info to give which I came across during this exercise. In HFGK in 1947 film Chheen Le Azadi one Mukesh- Shamshad duet is given, but when I checked out I found that a solo ‘lut gayi lajo beech bajariya’ credited to Shamshad is in fact a Mukesh-Shamshad duet. May be you know this already.

Regarding Sitara I had known that they are two different persons, perhaps through some article by Deshmukhji. But, when calculating singers I combined them and you are right that there are 21 female singers and if we take the triad song with Khursheed and Hamida they become 22. I am actually amazed at the ready info you and Deshmukhji have about songs and singers and am learning. I look to see and labour to collect such info when need arises, but you two have it always ready.

53 arvind November 11, 2014 at 9:33 pm

hansji n bhatiaji , sharing two ravi n rafi songs : http://youtu.be/PVlsS7O61aQ
(ye waadiyaan ye fizayen from aaj aur kal -1963) and
http://youtu.be/9JUKCUwMnZE
(zara sun haseena-e- nazneen from kaun apna kaun paraya -1963)

54 Hans November 11, 2014 at 11:32 pm

AK,
I was not putting those two songs in the same league. I was just mentioning the fact that MM used the tune. I just enjoy songs of different eras without comparing the singers, because everything was so different including lyrics, style, instruments etc. that it would be injustice to compare. When I wrote about ‘manwa men pyar dole’ I forgot to mention that I found that Zohra was trying to sing like Shamshad and in the process a tremolo like Talat or Suman appeared in her voice. I have seen that happening in one or two other songs too. They have similar voices but still are different and there is no tremolo in Zohras voice in most of her songs when she sings like herself. What is your take on this aspect of her voice.

About Nalini Jaywant your observation does not appear to be correct. You have perhaps not given a thought to the fact that Nalini made her debut in 1941, when Lata was nowhere near coming. So if anything is to be said about moulds, then Lata was in Nalini’s mould. But, she chose to become a singing actress instead of keeping these two separate. I have not found any film in which she gave only playback. She sang only her songs. She entered this field when her cousin Shobhana Samarth was still going strong and Khursheed and Noorjehan were present and soon joined by Suraiyya. Unfortunately she did not get a big hit and in the circumstances had to agree to other singers singing her songs.

Here are two songs from her 1941 film Bahen.

Nahin khate hain bhaiya mere paan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2FCHW-JqJg

Mujhe le chal apni naagaria (in this video Husn Bano is also seen and she is co-singer of Nalini)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeMHlNCXhJs

These songs are her earliest and she was not even 15 then. Lata’s early songs dont show such accomplishment. Even otherwise also Lata did not like any mould other than her own. And despite her best efforts, Suman Kalyanpur succeeded though she was almost a replica of Lata.

55 ksbhatia November 11, 2014 at 11:43 pm

Hansji & Arvindji, I fully agree with your observation. Indeed Ravi was one among the masters of soft music . The songs of Aaj aur kal ,Kaun apna kaun paraya, Nartaki, Ek saal, etc testify his creations. Yes; Being fav of B R Chopra ; he also worked with other top producers during his time . Many thanks for uploding these fab songs . Now these Rafi sahibs soft songs could also fit in the rendering style of Mohinder kapoor . Ravi favored both the singers for such songs . As already mentioned in some other post one of fav song is ” Itni haseen itni zawan raat ” from Aaj aur kal .

56 AK November 11, 2014 at 11:51 pm

Hans,
No dispute on Nalini Jaywant at all. I was aware of her songs of 40s, but it is a surprise she was not counted in the top league of the Vintage Era singers. Therefore, the expression ‘Lata in Nalini Jaywant mould’ would have sounded odd. As a matter of fact, as far as Hindi film songs are concerned, Nalini Jaywant predates even Noorjehan, who is considered Lata’s idol in her early years. I was speculating more about 50s, when she emerged as a major star.

57 ksbhatia November 12, 2014 at 12:21 am

AKji, Continuing my search of forgotten MDs , I have come across one MD who was fav of K A Abbas and that is J P Kaushik . During mid 60s I remember to have seen Aasman mahal and liked its songs and gazal [ by Mohinder kapoor] Teri tahran hai shikayat teri and Aye raat zara ahista guzar [ by Geeta dutt ] . Today I came across a song by Mukesh ” Aaj gagan se chanda utter aya ” which seems to be a private song which is directed by Kaushik . The song is so good and resemble the likes of Anil biswas . MD seems to have taken slow exit for us to trace his melodies .

58 Arunkumar Deshmukh November 12, 2014 at 11:41 am

AK ji,

This has reference to comments No,47 and 50 about the confusion on Sitara Devi and Sitara Kanpuri.
For detailed interview of SitaraDevi the Dancer/singer/actress and one who wanted only Bharat Ratna instead of Padma Bhushan award one can read it on Beetehuedin.blogspot.com.
For Sitara Kanpuri here is some information-
Sitara Kanpuri or Sitara of Kanpur or Sitarabai Kanpurwali was born in Cawnpore(Kanpur-UP) in 1923 in a courtisan’s family and so her father’s name is not known.
She did not have formal schooling,but sang wonderfully.she started singing on Radio.She was an expert in Bhajans,Thumari and Gazals.
W.Z.Ahmed,who was also from Kanpur heard about her singing,heard her once and took her to his office in Bombay.She was so excited that without delay,she put her thumb on the contract put forth.the contract restricted her to sing only for Ahmed’s Shalimar studio productions for 10 years. She sang her first song,’nagari meri kab tak’ in Mann ki jeet-1944 for Neena ( real name Shahida-she was the wife of the brother of Renuka Devi the actress. She was a plain simple house wife,who was lured by Ahmed and made actress Neena and his wife),who was Ahmed’s wife.later she also sang in prithwiraj sanyukta-46 and Meerabai-47.In the free times she was allowed to do private jalsa for her living.
After Partition,Ahmed and Neena left for Pakistan,taking with them the prints of their films(like most others who left India) and Sitara was free to sing free lance now.She sang in Pugree-48,Aparadhi-49 and Rasheed Dulhan -50.
After this she simply vanished into thin air !
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59 Arunkumar Deshmukh November 12, 2014 at 11:52 am

K S Bhatia ji,

Ref comment No.57

Here is an interview of composer J P Kaushik…
http://www.beetehuedin.blogspot.in/search/label/composer%20%3A%20J.P.Kaushik

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60 AK November 12, 2014 at 12:49 pm

Arunji ,
Thanks a lot for this detailed information.

61 Hans November 12, 2014 at 2:50 pm

Arunji,

I found this song clip from film Parineeta on youtube. This song is not mentioned in HFGK. From the voice it appears Asha has sung it. The situation is also perfect as per film’s story. Meena Kumari has gone to the countryside Ashok Kumar is missing her. He listens to this song which is coming from the neighbouring house, where Meena used to come, so he goes to look for her but he finds the voice coming from a gramophone. But, their is a twist. In the film itself which is available on youtube, the sound of this whole scene alongwith the song is muted. What may be the story behind that. I had earlier seen this film long back on Doordarshan, when they showed a series of films by Bimal Roy, but cant remember whether the scene and song was there or not.

Kab tak rahoge aakhir yun door door humse – Parineeta (1953)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7wDE9QgGNs

I am looking to solve this mystery. Kindly help me. I also request all others to share if they know anything about this.

62 Hans November 12, 2014 at 4:32 pm

Bhatiaji and Arvindji,
By some coincidence you have referred to Ravi’s 1963 songs. In that year 12 of his films were released and he composed music for 90 known songs for those films, which is about 1/8th of his Hindi work. Besides great Rafi and Asha solos and duets, Mahendra Kapoor won filmfare award for best singer for ‘chalo ek baar’ and Lata sang ‘wo dil kahan se laun’ in Bharosa.

63 Arunkumar Deshmukh November 12, 2014 at 5:38 pm

Hans ji,

I have always known Parineeta-53 as having only 6 songs(including a 2-part song,Chali Radhe Raani).
I have no information on this song. In all probabilities,it must be a deleted song from the film or recorded but not used-which explains why in the film the scene does not have sound.
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64 ksbhatia November 12, 2014 at 11:39 pm

Hans’ji , Thank you very much for the information on Ravi’s musical score during 1963 . Hat’s off to Ravi for this achivment . I think some where around 1958 OP Nayyar also targeted similar achiv. And during that period he ruled Binaca Geet Mala with more than 80 % of the total songs. SJ also ruled at one or two occasions . I am recalling some of the Ravi’s songs of the 60’s and I like ” Lage na mora jiya Sajnaa nahen aaye ” from Ghunghat for Lataji’s soul rendering beautiful sad song. ” Sau bar janam lenge ” by Rafi’ sahib ‘s is another great song which I like for its beautiful mixing of low and high pitch . I think Ravi was the master of soft sad songs . And Mukesh -Lataji’s duet ” Main khush naseeb hoon mujhko kisi ka pyar mila ” is another example of beautiful romantic melody . And Lataji’s ” Chale bhi aao tumeh kasam hai chale bhi aao ” from Ek saal is a beauty to listen to .

65 gaddeswarup November 15, 2014 at 6:50 am

This is a question that has been puzzling me off and on. It seems to me that many of the popular Hindi film sons could have been sun by any of the top singers and still would have been popular. There are exceptions I think like Saigal. I wonder whether there are some songs where one gets the feeling that nobody else could have sung it that well and the song carries the signature of the singer rather than the rest of the crew and the make up the song, its role in the film etc. I am sure that there must be many by my knowledge and abilities for this sort of question are limited.

66 maheshmamadapur November 15, 2014 at 12:01 pm

Gaddeswarup ji,

SDB fetched Mukesh after 11 years after KK refused to sing this song. The movie already had songs by Rafi and Manna Dey and SBD himself was a seasoned singer especially for such background songs.

And then the singer with the midas touch sidelined all other songs and singers in the movie. It seems a very easy song, but then a master craftsman like SBD knew what Mukesh could offer him.

67 maheshmamadapur November 15, 2014 at 12:07 pm

oops, Here is the well known song from Bambai ka babu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuNp_LY13P4

68 AK November 15, 2014 at 10:15 pm

Gaddeswarupji,
I often see such speculation. I remember once Subodh mentioned some well-known songs and suggested other singers in whose voices he felt these might have sounded better.

I have a different view. We become conditioned to associate the famous songs with their singers, and I find it difficult to think of these in the voice of other singers. The exception would be those singers, whose voice was very close to another, more celebrated singer. For example, it is possible to imagine that songs of Subir Sen or Dwijen Mukherjee would sound better in the voice of Hemant Kumar, of Dhananjay Bhattacharya in the voice of Pankaj Mullick, or (some songs) of Suman Kalyanpur in the voice of Lata Mangeshkar.

69 ksbhatia November 16, 2014 at 12:11 am

AKji, Gaddeswarupji, Yes ; every established singer developed his /her own style and our repeated listening to their songs gets engraved in our mind . It is sort a of comfortable feeling when one associate a singer with a performer ; like mukesh and not kishore for Raj kapoor , Kishore and not subir sen for Dev anand . But there are certain songs of Rafi which could easily swaped by Mohinder kapoor , specially the songs composed by Ravi. Otherwise I think every singer has developed their own natural style; as times went by …..saigal , Pankaj malik , jagmohn , mukesh, surendra, shyam , durrani , ……..in that order .

70 ksbhatia November 16, 2014 at 12:15 am

Arunkumar ji, Thank you for the post on J P Kaushik ‘ interview.

71 mumbaikar8 November 17, 2014 at 6:29 pm

Bhatia ji
Comment # 46 excuse me for the delayed reply.
Zindagi ke safar me akele the hum is one of my favourite, on my list of “must listen at least once in three months songs”, the other that comes to my mind right now, is Mere mehboob mere saath hi chalna hai tujhe from gyarah hazar ladkiyan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnpAX9zQkns
I like the song mentioned by Arvind “Zara sun hasina e nazneen” a lot too. I think that song is also a playback singing marvel.

72 ksbhatia November 17, 2014 at 11:52 pm

Mumbaikar’ji , What a lovely song from great Rafi sahib, really un parallel , taken me back to my youth hood days . As you rightly said this has a repeatitive quality and must for Rafi and N dutta fans . Thanks once again for this lovely forgotten song ; so missed by me for so many years !

73 mumbaikar8 November 17, 2014 at 11:59 pm

Sharmaji,
This time I am sorry for the late response.
Please pardon me for hijacking this comment from Mahendra Kapoor -Sahir Ludhianvi to Open House because the content is very much diverted.
Roshan is one of the two MDs you have cited, AK had mentioned about Mamta and Chandni Chowk again Roshan.
Bahu Beghum in one movie Roshan used similar tunes for two different all time great qawwalis.
Wafif hoon khoob
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW0jYaIhbAY
and Dhoondh ke laoon kahan se mai
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI9KQE1p-Vw

74 mumbaikar8 November 18, 2014 at 12:18 am

Hans,
In comment # 43 I thought that you presumed that one of the singers in Heer Ranja song Nache ang ve was madam Noorjahan , I was skeptic about it and I had good experience of getting a prompt reply from Madan Mohan website I sent them an email to which I got a prompt reply.
I wrote:
“I was here few months back with a query and was happily surprised to get a prompt reply that encouraged me come up with another query.
I would like to know about a singer in Heer Ranjha song ”Nache ang ve”, I believe the three singers are Shamshad Begum Jagjit Kaur and Noor Jahan. I would like to know that, is NoorJahan is Madam Noor Jahan from Pak or the NoorJahan who was singing few songs like the one in Do Boond Pani”.

The reply:
“The HEER RANJHA song [ nache ang ve] is sung by the legendary Shamshad Begum [ her last sung film song], Jagjit Kaur [ wife of composer Khayyam], and a singer called Noorjehan who was largely used for chorus and dubbings by Madan Mohanji and Jaidevji [ yes her voice was also used by Jaidevji in Do Boon Pani]

MADAM NOORJEHANJI did not sing in any film produced in India since the late 40s.. and Madanji , like others were not fortunate to work with her”

75 gaddeswarup November 18, 2014 at 6:03 am

Thanks for the comments 66-69. The song linked in 67 is the sort of song I had in mind. My query actually came from a mistake; for a long time I thought that some of the cabaret songs in ‘Taxi Driver’ were by Geeta Dutt where as they were by Lata Mangeshkar. also in sons like ‘Jadugar balama’, I found both versions enchanting.

76 ksbhatia November 18, 2014 at 11:52 pm

The other day I was thinking of some ” Two in One” songs [Happy/ Sad combo ] . The first song that came to my mind was ” Patli kamar hai tirchi najar hai ” the famous song from Barsaat that starts with Mukesh with alternative sad lines and stanza by Lataji . The interludes also changes the mood of the song as it proceeds from happy go lucky to serious mood . Likewise ” Ja ja re ja saajna kahe sapno mein ayai ja ke desh paraye bewafa ” by Lataji and Aashaji is another beautiful Sad/ Happy song by Madan mohan from [film ? ] . Another one…..” Sajan sang kahey niha lagaye ” from Main nashe mein hoon . Here interlude only play and convey the happy time the hero is enjoying and the sad lines of the song is for the heroin to sing . I invite SOY family to contribute such songs for all of us to enjoy and drive pleasure listening to.

77 mumbaikar8 November 20, 2014 at 7:03 pm

Bhatia ji,

Whenever I think of happy sad songs the song that comes to my mind is the Kala Pani song kya kahiye humen kya yaad aaya.
It is one of my favourite Asha songs I think she is outstanding in this, partciularly the sad part.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtaP5fLyfeM

78 AK November 20, 2014 at 8:25 pm

Mumbaikar8,
KS Bhatiaji has given a very interesting theme, and you have come up with a perfect song. One song that comes to my mind is Nain dwar se aake wo man mein. Mukesh in mukhada sounds very sad, Lata Mangeshkar in antara very chirpy with Haye rasiya, koi rasiya jiya liye jaye at very fast tempo is very joyous. I am not aware of its picturistion. Could it be a sad-happy song? I can think of a couple of more songs. I would come back later.

79 Mahesh November 20, 2014 at 10:37 pm

Ramaiya Vastavaiya ? Shree 420.

Will come up with more later.

80 mumbaikar8 November 20, 2014 at 11:54 pm

AK,
Here is the video of Nain dwar se man me woh aaye, it has Lata’s slow part too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBGLgkV0oIQ

Bhatiaji you have set the ball rolling herw is one more superb song
Yaas ke dar pe jhuka jata hai sar from Shama,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vq-lN6eFZB8

81 AK November 21, 2014 at 8:17 am

Mumbaikar8,
This is wonderful. Nain dwar se does seem to be a sad-happy song.

Another haopy-sad song is Betaab hai dil dard-e-mohabbat ke asar se from Dard (1947) – Uma Devi for Munawwar Sultana (sad) and Suraiya for herself (happy), both in love with the same person.

82 arvindersharma November 21, 2014 at 2:57 pm

Mumbaikar8,
Thanks for your response and I really love both the ‘Roshan’ qawallis. Roshan, apart from being a melodious composer, provided the HFM with the best qawallis ever composed in films.
I can’t resist myself from posting a rare one from ‘Samson’ sung by Manna De, Asha and Mahendra Kapoor, music by Chitragupta.
Puchho Na Hame Ishq Me Kya Kya Full Video Song – …: http://youtu.be/nc9MqN6wSu4

KS Bhatia Ji and Mumbaikar8,
Now that you both have set the ball rolling and AK Ji also chipping in songs of twin moods, let me also present mine.

Gham ki andheri raat me by Rafi and Talat from ‘Sushila’, music C Arjun
gam ki andheri raat mein mohd rafi and talat meh…: http://youtu.be/GYqbgYPbz9U

Aaj ki raat from ‘Kalidas’, by Usha Mangeshkar and Sabita Bannerjee, music S N Tripathi
Aaj Ki Raat – Classic Sad Song – Kavi Kalidas: http://youtu.be/z38gMHA1Pno

And the third one is my great favorite,
Ye bheegi bheegi raatein by Manna De and Lata from ‘Miss Bombay’, music S D Burman.
“JAAU MAIN KAHAAN YE ZAMEEN YE AASMAAN CHHOD KE”B…: http://youtu.be/qop8jefFih0

83 ksbhatia November 22, 2014 at 12:10 am

Mumbaikar 8, AKji, Arvindersharmaji, Thanks for uploading these songs , they are really forgotten gems . I,myself , have heard practically all the songs of Kala pani but never heard the one contributed by Mumbaikerji . It is a rare song . Miss India duet … Zaun main kahan is also rare and so is Aaj ki raat from Kalidas. AKji , Nain dwar se woh man mehn aake …itself is a very intresting song. One can note Mukesh singing in a very heavy low base tone that intrestinglly matches C H Atma+ Sehgal combo and one can easily guess Chitragupta or S N Tripathy as its MD . But as Lata starts her lines It becomes a typical punjabi song of Hansraj behl.

84 ksbhatia November 22, 2014 at 12:33 am

…….. in continuation….. To my mind ” door koi gaiye dhun yeh sunayae ” from Baiju bawra can also be included / classified as happy / sad song .

85 maheshmamadapur November 22, 2014 at 1:04 pm

1. Chunari sambhal gori….. from Baharon Ke Sapne. ( hint of gloom and then optimism)

2. Itna na mujhse tu pyar bada… Talat & Lata from Chhaya.

3. Aaj Na Chhodenge… Kishore Kumar & Lata – Kati Patang.

Incidentally all three feature the majestic Asha Parekh.

Nain dwar se aake wo man mein really tops the category I suppose.

86 AK November 22, 2014 at 9:05 pm

Mahesh,
No 3 yes. But I am surprised to see #1 and 2 in this list.

87 mumbaikar8 November 22, 2014 at 10:10 pm

AK, Mahesh,
I was thinking that too.
It na mujhse tu pyar bada, I think, goes in Din hai bahr ke ter mere ikraar ke Waqt song type!
Adding Shramajis Rafi Talat combo song from Aadmi, ( i prefer Rafi Talat to Rafi MK) kaisi haseen aaj baharon ki raat hai
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvQf_NaqBM4
and this beautiful Afsar song ( I am not sure as video is not available) but I feel a sad note in Suriya’s singing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbnKr6pYL9s

88 ksbhatia November 23, 2014 at 11:46 pm

Another Happy/ sad combo could be 1 ” Holi ayi re kanhai rang chalke ” from Mother India . 2 ” Raat gai jab din aata hai ” from Boot Polish . Now this beautiful song is sort of a sad -happy- sad -happy serial long playing song and is a rare example of one of its kind . There could be more such songs which does not come easily in one’s mind . So wait and watch .

89 AK November 25, 2014 at 11:31 am

RIP Sitara Devi
Just heard the sad news that Sitara Devi passed away this morning after a prolonged illness, at the age of 94. One of the most well-known figures of film-world and Kathak dancing, she was unique in that she straddled both the worlds like a colossus. She was a colourful personality – never shy about her personal life, her multiple marriages or relationships. Even after her film career had come to an end long back, she continued Kathak dancing at a professional level till very late in life.

It is a coincidence that she passed away in Anil Biswas’s Centenary Year, because they had very important association together. Her most famous film appearance was in Mehboob Khan’s Roti (1942), for which Anil Biswas gave music. She had some sensational dances in the film, that would be termed Item Number in today’s parlance. She also sang her own songs in her films.

A true Diva. May her soul rest in peace.

90 N.Venkataraman November 25, 2014 at 12:30 pm

We were discussing about Sitara Devi here sometime during the beginning of this month. And here come the news about her passing away. I too would like to join you in paying my respects to the departed soul

91 mumbaikar8 November 25, 2014 at 6:31 pm

AK,
Join you in paying respect to Sitara Devi, a true diva as you rightly described.
Performing ballet in Hulchul:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzxZwz0sD5w

92 ksbhatia November 25, 2014 at 11:02 pm

Sad news for all of us . Sitara Devi was really an Icon of Kathak Dance .

93 arvind November 26, 2014 at 11:40 am

Bhatiaji ,
comment #88
and what do we call this ?
three great songs one after another (movie:dekh kabira roya) !all sad ones !!
http://youtu.be/qHL9FxHJPlU

94 ksbhatia November 26, 2014 at 10:51 pm

Arvind ji; Hat trick of sad songs , un-parallel in the history of bollywood movies ; a mile stone ; and that too of granite stone . Arvind ji these are my fav songs . One cannot listen to just one song ; it has to be compulsively listen to all the three . Beside these all the songs of DKR are melodious and great to listen to . ” Hum bulate hi rahe ” is a fantastic song by Rafi@ ashaji for its rhythm and the harmonium touch . And the Geeta-Lataji’s duet ” Hum panchhi mastane ” for its rhythm , guitar and melodious whistling that matches the happy mood ;complementing lyrics . For music lovers of sad and happy songs, I think this movie is a collector item.

95 AK November 27, 2014 at 12:08 am

Arvind,
I first thought three different video links have been put together by some enthusiast. This must be the only such 3-in-1 song. Humse aya na gaya unse bulaya na gaya would also have fitted perfectly here. Thanks a lot for highlighting these songs.

96 Hans November 27, 2014 at 1:36 am

And what about this song though staged on the theatre stage in the 1950 film Arzoo which contained great music by Anil Biswas. Can anybody count and tell how many tunes are in this song. I think 4 different songs and more than 4 (at least 5) tunes are present. I have not found the equivalent of this song until now. And I am surprised why this film flopped as against similar stories of Andaz and Afsana which succeeded in the previous and following year. Some part of the story was used later in Dil Diya Dard Liya.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29t60P26gL0
(I have given the link of the part of the film as I could not find the link of the song) (Jan Nisar Akhtar wrote part of the lyrics with Majrooh and these were perhaps his first lyrics for films)

97 Hans November 27, 2014 at 1:49 am

Mumbaikar8,
Thanks for the effort (comment 74) in looking for details about ‘nache ang ve’. But one thing beats me, why a great MD like Madan Mohan recalled Shamshad and Jagjit Kaur for special panjabi effects and to give a chorus singer Noorjehan the honour of singing with those singers. If it was not the original Noorjehan then he could have used Surinder Kaur for panjabi effect and she would also have been one more old legends.

Even in the Do Boond Pani song, there is just one line by that Noorjehan and the song is a background song. I dont know why was there any need to use a chorus singer for one line and that too a background song. And you know any duet singer gets the equal of the fellow duet singer. How the producer and director agreed to this in such a low budget film.

98 AK November 27, 2014 at 11:52 am

Hans,
This is a wonderful link you have added. Thanks a lot. One of the tunes could have been developed into an outstanding Mukesh-Shamshad Begum duet: Aao milkar jawani ki lootein bahaar. But Dekh Kabira Roya song(s) remain unique, because they are three distinct situational songs, each well-known as a stand-alone song.

99 ksbhatia November 27, 2014 at 10:29 pm

Hansji; Thank you for posting malti- track song . Likewise awara song ” Tere bina aag yeh chandni [ Lata] – Yeh nahi yeh nahi hai zindagi [ mana dey ] – Ghar aya mera pardesi [ Lataji ] ” can be considered as triple song in the catag. of Dekh Kabira Roya . But as AKji pointed out songs of DKR stands apart distinctly from all others .

100 Hans November 28, 2014 at 2:30 am

AK, Bhatiaji,
I had not posted the song as a counter to the DKR song. The DKR song is a unique song. Madan Mohan combined three great songs beautifully, with calls of ‘sajna sajna’ in between. When you will listen to them again you will be able to identify the manouvre with which he combined them. This type of call of ‘sajna sajna’ was used by Chitragupta in Chand Mere Aaja in the song ‘sajna sajna kahe bhool gaye din pyar ke’ sung by Lata.

Arzoo and DKR songs are part of the story, while the Awara songs are a fantasy of Raj Kapoor.

101 gaddeswarup November 28, 2014 at 8:50 am

While watching the link in 96, I windered who the choreographer was. One site credits Prem Dhawan, possibly indirectly influenced by Uday Shankar http://iyerbhaskar.wordpress.com/2012/04/26/movies-music-of-india-prem-dhawan/
P.S. When the number of comments reach 100 or so in this thread, I wonder whether it would be possible to start a number 2, 3 and so on so that one does not have to go too far down. Perhaps a summary at the end? Too easy to make requests!

102 Hans November 28, 2014 at 2:48 pm

Gaddeswarupji,
Thanks for the link about Prem Dhawan. Your research was fantastic. Though I knew Prem Dhawan had choreographed a few films, I did not know that he danced in films or acted in them. In the link provided by you it was said that he danced in Singaar (1949) alongwith Cuckoo and a link of the video was also given. I could have believed that but I still wanted to confirm, so I looked to read some other links about Dhawan and I found Dusted Off’s link there and when I followed that it turned out to be review of Goonj Uthi Shehnai. From the article as well as comments I found that Dhawan had acted in that film as Banjara, whose wife tattoes the name of the hero on the arm of the heroine. Because, in the cast of Arzoo I had found the name of Dhawan I tried to look for a person resembling the Banjara of Goonj Uthi Shehnai. I scanned through the whole film and ultimately found Dhawan as a dancer in the song sequence of which I had given the link. Dhawan is the same person dancing with Cuckoo and singing ‘aao milkar jawani ki looten bahar’. But this person was different than the person who was dancing with Cuckoo in Singaar in your link, so I looked up in the film Singaar. Singaar’s cast also mentioned Dhawan’s name among dancers. When I scanned the film, I found him dancing in another dance sequence, though it was without a song.

Regarding your suggestion for a new link of Open House after 100 posts, perhaps AK would like to split these posts in separate pages like is done in other websites, so that all posts are found on the same page for everyone to read and respond.

103 AK November 29, 2014 at 10:58 pm

Gaddeswarupji, Hans
Do you have something like this in mind? After 100 comments, the new comments go on the next page. There is a link for ‘PREVIOUS COMMENTS’ at the bottom. I can set it at 150 or any number or restore the earlier setting.

104 gaddeswarup November 30, 2014 at 6:26 am

AKJi, Thanks. Some thing like this is fine or whatever number you think reasonable. Thanks again.
Swarup

105 maheshmamadapur November 30, 2014 at 11:29 am

AK ji,
There is a wealth of info stored in these comments by so many experts. We could have month-wise tags or in groups of 150-200 etc.
I would suggest this 2014 to end and we could start afresh from new year with more suggestions from experts.
My only request is to keep the serial number of the comments intact so that they can be referred in future.

For example #79, I promised a good list and came up with nothing.
This theme of happy-sad songs looks easy, but it is difficult to trace songs in the category.
Now, let me add one more by a even more majestic Asha Parekh from “Love in Tokyo”. “Mujhe tum mil gaye humdum, sahara ho to aisa……..”
The video is to be seen to be believed that it fits. Again, many may not agree with me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjievAzScsk

106 Hans November 30, 2014 at 3:33 pm

AK,
Perfectly done. I had that in mind and 100 is perhaps best.

Also, I wanted to say something about your comment 56. Nalini Jaywant came as a singing star and she never gave playback and as singing star she was not successful, so it is no surprise we do not hear her fame as singer. She got 3 films in 1941 (one of them was Nirdosh with Mukesh as hero) and one each in 1942 and 1943. Then she was forgotten and in the next 4 years no film of hers was released (one film was completed but not realeased). So when Anil Biswas used Lata for her in Anokha Pyar in 1948, she had no choice but to fall in line. I had done a survey of the songs and singers of 1941 based on the info in HFGK, and found that 75 female singers sang about 330 odd female related songs. There were very few playback singers then.

Regarding Lata or Nalini mould I do not believe that Lata followed in Nalini mould. I only pointed out that Nalini started her career earlier. I dont even believe that Lata even followed Noorjehan. I have listened to her oldest songs but I have not found any evidence of her singing like Noorjehan. Similarly, I dont even believe that Mukesh tried to sing like Sehgal, though some of his songs look like Sehgal. Some MDs composed songs in the style of Noorjehan or Sehgal. Even the first song of Mukesh ‘dil hi bujha hua ho’ had a lot of original Mukesh in it, though that era was Sehgal era.

107 AK November 30, 2014 at 5:26 pm

Mahesh,
The serial numbers remain intact. There is no way to break it monthwise. It is possible to set it at 150 or 200, but whatever threshold we decide there would be need to refer to older comments. So let us continue with 100 for the time being. Please note this applies to the blog as a whole. It is only some of the posts that would cross this limit.

Mujhe tum mil gaye humdum is an interesting song. Apparently, it fits as a happy-sad song. Opening the category to solos increases possibilities, some require subjective interpretation. Long ago I had described Jhoom Jhoom ke naacho aaj naacho aaj gaao khushi ke geet as a happy-sad song, long before this term gained prominence on SoY. Similarly, one can think of Suhaag ki raat aayi sajni kaahe bhare tore naina by Pahadi Sanyal from Adhikar (1938), and many others. Ideally, I would limit it to duets in which the storyline and picturisation is very clear, and the contrast is shown by the two voices singing in a distinctly different manner.

Hans,
You have a point of view. In any case Mukesh and Lata Mangeshkar quickly established their distinct identities. Therefore, Saigal and Noorjehan’s importance lies in that they were important points of reference for many newcomers.

108 Arunkumar Deshmukh November 30, 2014 at 6:47 pm

Hans ji,
Ref to comment no.106..
Nalini Jaywant was NOT ” forgotten” after 1943.
She eloped with her director Virendra Desai to Calcutta,he having left his first wife and 4 children,in 1943. They suffered in Calcutta, returned to Bombay and Virendra joined Filmistan on a salary of 2000/- pm. He decided to make Nalini work only in his film. When he did not get any opportunity in Filmistan for 2 years,he started his own company-Nalini Productions and produced ” Gunjan “-48 with Trilok kapoor and Nalini Jaywant.
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109 Hans December 1, 2014 at 2:40 am

Arunji,
Thanks for the information. All of us readers benefit immensely from your vast knowledge. Maybe Nalini Jaywant was one of the pioneers of the tradition of Bollywood heroines marrying already married film personalities. In the HFGK a film named Phir Bhi Apna Hai is listed in 1946 list in which she worked. It is written there that this film was issued again in 1951 under the title Bhai Ka Pyar. Perhaps the first time it was not released. Can you guide us in this regard.

110 Hans December 1, 2014 at 3:14 am

Sitara Devi died recently and AK posted an obituary. I had earlier watched Roti (1942) featuring her. I had a few of her films downloaded but had not seen them. I scanned and partly watched Nazma (1943), Chand (1944), and Parinde (1945). In Nazma she played quarrelsome wife of Ashok Kumar who loved Veena and had to marry Sitara. In Parinde she played the vamp as against Vanmala and in Chand she played a vamp who is reformed in the end. So she played quite complex characters and was a good actress. As AK says she was bold in accepting her amours, she wore bold dresses in some of her dances.

I found a few songs which fit into the ongoing theme of happy-sad songs being posted by friends. Until now the oldest and best is the Dard song by AK. It will remain the best, but the title of oldest would go to ‘fasle bahaar gaye ja’ from Najma:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLFn011XuJA

There are two more Sitara, Ashok Kumar duets which have contrasting emotions, but not similar to this one. Their links are given below:
Jal ja patange
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcCQQ0TT5Oc
Aaja dil ko nahin hai karar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhcALx7O6B4

In fact the whole music of Najma (by Rafiq Ghaznavi) is great.

111 Arunkumar Deshmukh December 1, 2014 at 2:10 pm

Hans ji,
Ref Comment No.109….

Film “Phir bhi apna hai” was made in 1945 and got censored in 1946.One must remember that HFGK lists films only after they are censored and NOT released.So.listing in HFGK guarantees that the film was censored but whether it was released after that or not is none of their business.
This film was made by Venus Pictures,Bombay and this was after Nalini and Virendra had got married.Nalini was now known as Mrs.Pankaja Desai,after marriage. The very fact that this film was released only in 1951,under the Title of Bhai ka Pyar,indicates the possibility that every effort was made by the Desai family to ensure that the film was not released in 1946. The family had not only thrown out Virendra,but also was angry on Nalini,so my guess is that this was a strong possibilty.
This also was ,possibly,a reason that Virendra decided that she worked only in his films.
In short,there was no Nalini film released between 43 to 48.
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112 Arunkumar Deshmukh December 1, 2014 at 2:23 pm

Hans ji,

Another point is that Nalini surely was not one of the pioneers in marrying already married film personality.There were many examples of Heroines and other actresses marrying married producers,Directors and owners of studios before her. Some stayed with such persons without marriage and some were used and thrown.
Actress Azra and Director Mahesh Bhat are some examples of children from such marriages.
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113 AK December 1, 2014 at 4:48 pm

Hans,
Fasl-e-bahar gaye ja is a perfect happy-sad song. The best song in Najma was Saajan ke naina jaadoo baan, main waari jaaun by Amirbai Karnataki and Mumtaz (as per HFGK, but Mumtaz sounds to me as Zohrabai Ambalewali). This is picturised as a mujra to celebrate the marriage of Najma (Veena) to Muqarram (Kumar). The song and dance is so delightful that it brings smile on Najma’s lips, but it cannot hide the sadness in her eyes at getting married to the wrong guy. Would you describe it as a happy-sad song? In any case, the oldest happy-sad song belongs to 1943 as of now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWhnNz8-xEs

114 AK December 1, 2014 at 5:10 pm

Hans, Arunji
This discussion was an offshoot from Sitara Devi. She would herself fit this bill. Though she acknowledged her only two marriages – to K Asif and Mr Barot – if you believe Manto (‘Stars from another sky’), she also married a Gujarati film director, some Mr Desai and PN Arora. These would predate Nalini Jaywant’s. Note the uncanny similarity of Desais.

115 ksbhatia December 1, 2014 at 11:58 pm

Mumbaikerji, Arvindji; Here is one of my fav in similar type of songs category : ” Jhumti hai nazar jhumta hai pyar ” a Rafi- Asha duet from Hatim -tai { music O P Nayyar? } and ” Dil ki baazi jeet ke bhi haare ” a Rafi song from the unreleased movie Madan Majri [ 1961] with music by Sardar Malik . The songs seems to be inspired from SJ style .

116 Hans December 2, 2014 at 2:03 am

Arunji,
Many thanks for the additional information. Your guess about the reaction of Desai family is quite logical, because in those days this ‘khandan’ culture was important and one persons actions tainted the whole khandan, so they reacted jointly against culprits who brought shame. Mangeshkars also reacted in the same way against Asha. By the way was the Desai family in films or just wealthy people. I ask this question because their were a number of Desais in films. Vasant Desai and Manmohan Desai are well known. There was one Shanti Kumar Desai who composed songs for a lot of films in the 30s and 40s and also directed a few films. Another Desai is referred by AK to have married Sitara.

Husn Bano is reputed to be the mother of Azra. If that is true, who was her father. I am all at sea in such matters.

117 Hans December 2, 2014 at 2:22 am

AK,
‘Sajan ke naina jaadu baan’ is a wonderful song. Though it is used in mujra style, contents of its lyrics conform to the theme of folk songs sung by ladies (nowadays called lady sangeet) at the time of marriages, though the lyrics have been modified to fit a mujra. As you said earlier, there are a lot of happy looking songs in sad situations in our films, which is a distinct category.

In fact, Najma has a classy score. Sitara sings a very good song to tease Ashok Kumar. Ashok Kumar has two comic songs – using the same tune – based on the ghazal format, which are really good. Though Rafiq Ghazanavi may not be the first to put the ghazal to such use, we can safely say that SDB and Guru Dutt were not the first ones to make use of the ghazal in a different style in Baazi for ‘tadbeer se’. We may request our team or researchers to find such odd uses of the ghazal in hfm. For this purpose I am giving the links to both of them:

1. Tarsi hui hain muddat se ankhen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYhObMZSXdg

2. Mujhe jo khilate hain panon men mirchen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faQeWtWYIlY

118 mumbaikar8 December 2, 2014 at 3:45 am

Hans,
Ashok kumar was at his singing best in Najma I like all his songs from that movie otherwise I am not a big fan of his singing.
AK, Bhatiaji
One more song in happy sad category Zindagi badli mohabbat ka maza aane laga, Nargis in double role singing in Raj Kumari and Lata voices. I would have loved to hear this song in reverse form with Raj Kumari (though she is too good in this one too ) singing sad part, because I feel she had terrific sooz in her singing that was incredible in ghabhrake jo hum sabko thukraye from Mahal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6JqOyUkO4M

119 AK December 2, 2014 at 9:58 am

Mumbaikar8,
Zindagi badli mohabbat ka maza aane laga is a wonderful happy-sad song. Who started this theme, and how many do we have now? If someone is keeping track, we should recognise the pioneers and the winners.

120 AK December 2, 2014 at 10:21 am

KS Bhatiaji,
Haatimtai‘s music is by SN Tripathi. Quite astonishing. You have discovered a rare pair of similar songs. The opening music is identical, but in the mukhadaa’s last word there is some difference in stress.

121 Arunkumar Deshmukh December 2, 2014 at 11:12 am

Hans ji,
Ref. comment No. 116,

Chimanlal Desai,father of Virendra Desai,was the founder-owner of SAGAR MOVIETONE. So the family was very much in film line.

AZRA was the daughter of actress Sarojini (real name Roshan Ara. She was sister of actress/Heroine Indurani (real name Ishrat) who married Producer/Director Ramniklal Shah,partner of Mohan Studios) and Producer/Director Nanubhai Vakil. Husn bano had nothing to do with Azra.
All this information is given to me by the son of Ramniklal Shah and cousin of Azra. So it is authentic.
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122 gaddeswarup December 2, 2014 at 1:20 pm

Just bought on kindle a new book on Hindi film songs http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00OY53S24/ref=pe_385040_118058080_TE_M1T1DP

123 N.Venkataraman December 2, 2014 at 3:28 pm

Gaddeswarup ji,
Thanks for the information. Had a swift sneak.
“Bollywood Sounds: The Cosmopolitan Mediations of Hindi Film Song” appears to be an interesting book. The second and third chapter covers the emergence of film music and the songs of end colonial era and early post colonial era. The fourth chapter appears to be the most interesting one and is about the language and lyrics of Hindi films and also touches upon the importance of Goa musicians in developing the sound of Hindi film song and the change they brought in by introducing Western instruments, Harmony, and different styles like Jazz and Rock. Chapter 5, 6 and 7 mainly deals with the Hindi film music and songs from the 1970 to 2013.
Regards
NVR

124 arvindersharma December 2, 2014 at 4:42 pm

RIP Deven Verma
One of the finest comedian actors of Hindi Film World passed away today. An actor, who gave comedy a refinement, which was seldom seen earlier in films, was tailor made for the roles written and directed by first rate film makers like Hrishikesh Mukherjee, Basu Chatterjee and Gulzar.
Paying my tribute to this handsome actor,
I’ll present a song from film ‘Devar’.
Baharon Ne Mera Chaman Loot Kar: http://youtu.be/IZdmevaMzzU

125 N.Venkataraman December 2, 2014 at 5:54 pm

Sorry to hear know the passing away of the veteran actor Deven Verma. Let me convey through this forum my homage to the departed soul.

126 mumbaikar8 December 2, 2014 at 6:11 pm

Paying my respect to the departed soul.
One of his finest performance in Angoor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMJzJhGl6wc

127 AK December 2, 2014 at 9:17 pm

I too join in paying my respects to Deven Verma. One of the most likeable characters on the screen, his comedy was not loud, no exaggerated mannerism, no slapstick, but simple, natural and effortless.

128 ksbhatia December 2, 2014 at 11:05 pm

My tribute to the fine comedian ; lovable presenter of youth that stand apart from other comedians of the bygone era since B R Chopra’s Kanoon. Fav of big directors Chopras, Hrishida, Guljar sahib .

129 mumbaikar8 December 3, 2014 at 6:41 pm

Bhatiaji,
Back to similar songs
Banarasi Thug’s aaj mausam ki masti me gaye pawan went unnoticed in 1963 Iqbal Qureshi confident of his tune repeated it with added decoration ( SSW analysis would be helpful here) next year in Cha Cha Cha Ek Chameli ke mandve tale, this song is popular till date. I find aaj mausam ki masti me gaye pawan equally melodious.
Aaj mausam ki masti me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OgXDJsyMLM

Ek chameli le mandve tale Cha Cha Cha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnnQz6EOFDM#t=102

130 AK December 3, 2014 at 8:20 pm

Mumbaikar8,
Did you ever work with PC Sorcar? He had a vessel in every show, he would turn it over to drain it of all water from time to time, but the vessel never emptied out.

131 ksbhatia December 4, 2014 at 12:11 am

AKji, Mumbaikarji; Well said AKji. Mumbaiker must be having some Jadoo ki chhari that such songs are coming out so easily from her box . The two songs posted by Mumbaiker8 are really so close I could not find any diff. Even the interlude and other supporting rhythm are almost similar . I can recall mukhda of ” Do panchi do tinke dekho leke chale hain kahan ” a Kishore Aasha duet from Tapasya quite close to the mukhda of these song ; but not the full song . Iqbal qureshi has given us quite a melodious songs . I liked his music in Love in Shimla and that for Mukesh ‘s “Dar pe aaye hain kasam se ” . His another song ” yeh raat yeh tanhai phir aye ya na aaye aao shama jalake hum aaj mil ke gayen ” a Rafi aasha duet from [ ?] . Coming back to similar songs here is one more pair …..1 ” hone lagi hai raat jawan jaagte raho ” a film fare award winner song for aasha ji from Naina and….2 ” yun need se woh jaane chhaman yaad uthi hai ” a kishore song from Dard ka rishta . The similarity of both songs are because of the Raag [ basant ? ] .

132 arvindersharma December 4, 2014 at 12:56 am

Bhatia Ji, mumbaikar8,
As I was looking for some more happy/sad songs, my attention was diverted by two songs similar in theme, but varying from what we have contributed earlier.
In both the songs, the heroines are in a pensive mood, expressing their innermost feelings of love, but the heroes have their own agenda of social welfare, thereby postponing the heroines’ propositions.

Tum Mujhe Bhool Bhi Jaao Mukesh Sudha Malhotra Fi…: http://youtu.be/xs1h-inHU4U

Aaj ki Raat- Sad – Rafi & Asha – Nayi Umar Ki Nay…: http://youtu.be/KHGVFi1vMo0

Now this song has Rafi and Kishore in both the moods, namely happy and sad
Yun Na Sharma, Phaila De, Apni Gori Gori Baahein: http://youtu.be/Zqp3MyXqtTg

133 mumbaikar8 December 4, 2014 at 6:30 pm

AK, Bhatiaji,
Thanks for the nice words, have you ever heard “ Allah meherbaan to gadha pahalwan”? that truly applies to me:) whenever I am listening or searching, I land up with interesting songs. I am enjoying it.
I know I am not P C Sorcar and it is soon going to end.
Making hay while the sun shines:)
As I am on the roll, let me add one more.
S N Tripathi repeating his Jadoo of Roop Kumari in Jadoo Nagri.
Roop Kumari song Dekho udhat chand nikla gagan me Manna De and Geeta Sutt singing beautifully.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_WGe721gIE#t=10

Jadoo Nagari song Nigahon me tum ho, can you describe Lata’s singing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faLQe0h-7e4

134 mumbaikar8 December 4, 2014 at 6:36 pm

Sharmaji,
You have rightly said tum mujhe bhool bhi jao and aaj ke raat badi express different mood and would give rise to another category in itself, while the Parwana song is the perfect example.

135 ksbhatia December 4, 2014 at 9:31 pm

AK ji , Arvindersharmaji, Mumbaikerji and SOY family ; We have been very well entertained by contributers on songs of two themes viz. ” similar songs ” and ” happy/ sad song combo” and let these be continued for some more time . Meanwhile I was thinking of another theme where a singer has sung only few words , or a small line of a stanza and rest of the song is by the main co singer . As a starter I can quote two songs : 1 . Door koi gaye dhun yeh sunaye ……..Here Lataji is the main singer and Rafi sahib contribution is only ” Hoji ho ho ho ” . 2 Woh chand khila woh taare hanse yeh raat ……by Lataji. Here also Mukesh sang only one short line ” Na samjhe woh anari hai ” and rest of the song is by Lataji . If permitted ; I throw this theme to the worthy fellows of the ” OPEN HOUSE ” for contribution and entertaining all of us. The ball is now in everyone’s court [ Yard ] .

136 ksbhatia December 4, 2014 at 10:04 pm

Mumbaikerji ; Fantastic find at #133 ! Another magical musical songs from Roop kumari and Jadoo nagri ; so similar in every note and so lovable . Hats off to S N Tripathi and yourself Madam, for this fantastic find . Incidently this reminds me of another soft song of Lataji which is not similar but of the same type……..” Ankhon main samajao dil mein raha karna ” from Yasmin [1955].

137 N.Venkataraman December 5, 2014 at 12:07 pm

K S Bhatia ji,
Apropos to your suggestion (comment 135) does this song fit the bill.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxaxXsV4KAU

Here Ashok Kumar joins Devika Rani in singing the lines ‘Badi neer bharan waari, aayi braj naari, baari baari matwaari’ and repeats the same lines again. Later he sings two more lines – ‘Badi gaari dene waari, dekhoon de toh sahi gari’ and punctuates with words like ‘Chal hat’ and ‘Jhatpat’.

138 Mahesh December 5, 2014 at 1:48 pm

Kishore-Asha duet in Paying Guest 1957 in which Asha does not utter a single word.
I don’t think any other song can better this for the new theme.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv1Bu7nSmmY

139 mumbaikar8 December 5, 2014 at 7:11 pm

Bhatiaji,
Asha creating wordless magic with Geeta in Sujata!
Bachpan ke din bhi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pqKTTzvNOg

140 ksbhatia December 5, 2014 at 8:20 pm

Maheshji, Mumbaikerji ; Perfect ten for your lovely and entertaining songs . No doubt top of the chart songs . Venkatramanji, few words or a short line ; in a single or multiple stanza; is a requirement . Thanks for your contribution which is quite close to the target. Here I would like to contribute two more songs to foot the bill. 1 . Panchhi banoo urthii pheerun mast gagan mein …….. Here manadey utter one word [ billoree ] in every stanza .2, Nadi kinaree saath hamare le ke jawani ayi a Talat shamshad duet from Babul . Here Rafi sahib is part of the chorus . I will request one of you to kindly upload the songs as my comp is unable to do that .

141 arvindersharma December 6, 2014 at 1:06 am

KS Bhatia Ji,
This catagory of songs, where one major singer is a filler was perhaps started in one of the Mukesh posts where some readers contributed, and I think this subject was taken in another post as well.
Now that you have again brought up the topic, let me contribute some more.
Hemant Kumar in the epic national song,
Vandemataram from ‘Anandmath’
Vande Mataram Anand Math Lata Hemant Bankim Origi…: http://youtu.be/xj1Iy4nRMkc

Lata contributing to the song in ‘Jis Desh Me Ganga Behti Hai’
Aa Ab Laut Chalen Nain – Jis Desh Mein Ganga Beht…: http://youtu.be/H8Fu_O7y-dg

Mahendra Kapoor contributing at the end in this song from ‘Gangs Jamuna’, without any acknowledgement.
HO RE HO RE JHANAN GHUNGHAR BAAJE – LATA – SHAKEE…: http://youtu.be/mYmx_7sjToY

Mohammed Rafi in the song from ‘Leader’
Leader – Daiya Re Daiya Laj Mohe Lage – Asha Bhon…: http://youtu.be/Jsvt1ikEC5M

142 Arunkumar Deshmukh December 6, 2014 at 11:55 am

Here is one more such song-
Lata and Chitalkar in 40 Baba 1 Chor-1954. MD-S D Burman.
This was one of the very few songs Chitalkar sang for other MDs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ehvwebv8OU8

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143 maheshmamadapur December 6, 2014 at 12:22 pm

Mukesh solos from Safar and Sangam have Sharmila Tagore and Vaijantimala respectively uttering a few words. I think there are a quite a few more like this.
Another top of the chart song for this theme would be the rare Saigal-Rafi song from Shahjahan 1946.

144 N Venkataraman December 6, 2014 at 2:35 pm

Bhatia ji,
Glad to know that my contribution was close to the target, a Bogey (one short of Par) in golf parlance. On the same reckoning the other songs can be ranked between Par and Double Eagle. A dozen such songs have been posted till now. As per your request first let me post the songs you have mentioned. First the two songs mentioned in the comment #135.

1. Door koyi gaaye, by Shamsad Begum, Lata Mangeshkar and Md.Rafi, Baiju Bawra (1952), lyrics Shakeel Badayuni, music Naushad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4xsVfirJhU

2. Woh chand khila by Lata Mangeshkar and Mukesh, Anari (1959), lyrics Hasrat Jaipuri, music Shankar-Jaikishan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvtU5FYxK-c

Then the other two songs mentioned in comment #140.

3. Panchhi banu udti phiroon by Lata Mangeshkar and Manna Dey, Chori Chori (1956), lyrics Hasrat Jaipuri, music Shankar – Jaikishan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bChXFv3ygaI

4. Nadi kinare sath hamare by Shamsad Begum, Talat Mahmood and Md.Rafi, Babool(1950), lyrics Shakeel Badayuni, music Naushad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0GtQGbs3E8

145 N Venkataraman December 6, 2014 at 3:11 pm

Here are some interesting observations.
In both the songs Door koyi gaaye and Nadi kinare sath hamare , Lata is the main singer, Rafi plays the second fiddle with minimal words, Shakeel Badayuni and Naushad provides the lyrics and music respectively.

Similarly Lata Mangeshkar, Hasrat Jaipuri and Shanker-Jaikishan are common to both the songs Woh chand khila and Panchhi banu udti phiroon.

In the songs presented by Sharmaji, Daiya re daiya laj mohe lage Rafi-Shakeel-Naushad combination and in the song Ho re ho re jhanan ghunghar baaje Lata-Shakeel-Naushad combination is at work.

As far as I know Mahendra Kapoor never rendered any song under Naushad’s baton (except one NFS). So it is all the more surprising that Naushad employed Mahendra Kapoor for a few seconds in the above mentioned song Ho re ho re jhanan ghunghar baaje.

Mahesh ji and Mubaikar8 ji (in keeping with her reputation) came out with two wonderful wordless magic. Here too one can observe that Asha Bhosle, Nutan, Majrooh Sultanpuri and S D Burman were common to both the songs.
Mahesh ji has made another fantastic addition. From Shahjehan . I am posting the song here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UvheB4dfcs

146 maheshmamadapur December 6, 2014 at 3:50 pm

Venkataraman ji,
Thanks for the links. I am very much surprised about your nil score for Naushad-Mahendra Kapoor combo.
In fact MK started his very career with a fabulous solo in Sohni Mahiwal 1958 apart from a duet with Lata.
In Aadmi 1968 he even replaced Talat saab for the all male duet with Rafi saab on the insistence of Manoj Kumar I suppose.
Apart from the above, Sunehra Sansar (1975), Saathi (1968) and Ram Aur Shyam (1967) etc have some combo effect albeit in insignificant contributions.
I hope I am not wrong.

147 N Venkataraman December 6, 2014 at 3:53 pm

Bhatia ji, Mahesh Ji,

Continuing with the theme were a singer has sung only few words, or a small line of a stanza and rest of the song is by the main co singer let me pose a question. Can we include the songs, where one singer is singing and someone else utters a word /few words and not actually singing, under this theme?
Here is another song from the 40s where Manna Dey starts not with a small line as stated by you, but with a few lines of the first stanza and then Lata takes over. This too will fall short of the target, another bogey.

Madhur madhur naam bhaj re by Lata Mangeshkar and Manna Dey, Narasimha Avatar (1949), lyrics Narendra Sharma, music Vasant Desai
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCJySlyEfwU

148 N Venkataraman December 6, 2014 at 4:10 pm

Mahesh Ji,

You are right and I am wrong. How could I miss Sohini Mahiwal, Sunhera Sansaarand Aaadmi. May be signs of ageing. My memory is failing me! But let me confess I cannot recollect MK’s song from Ram aur Shyam and Saathi.

Thanks for the correction.

149 N Venkataraman December 6, 2014 at 4:32 pm

My previous shot (on Mahendra Kapoor) landed in a sand trap. Mahesh ji has scored a hole in one! As for theme songs are concerned, I am yet to go beyond a Bogey. At least I will have to score a face-saving Par. I will try with an Iron club for my next tee shot.

150 arvindersharma December 6, 2014 at 4:53 pm

Venkataraman Ji,
This folk song from from Ram Aur Shyam has Mahendra Kapoor with Asha Bhonsle.
Ram Aur Shyam – Dheere Dheere Bol: http://youtu.be/qiv1VMVdkww
I am also not aware of any other song of Naushad/MK.
(Mahesh Ji may please throw some light)
This topic has made me recall a very interesting incident where the great Lata (in the making) was persuaded by Anil Biswas to join the chorus in this song from Badi Bahu, sung by Surinder Kaur.
Surinder Kaur & chorus – Duniya Se Nyari Gori Ter…: http://youtu.be/v-A5m8dmhg4
(The incident is mentioned in Harish Bhimani’s biography of Lata Mangeshkar).
And my vote for the topper in these song goes to Mahesh ji’s find, the KL Sehgal song where Rafi participated.

151 mumbaikar8 December 6, 2014 at 7:18 pm

Venkataraman Ji, Sharmaji,
I think I will go will Mahesh on MK singing in Saathi, I remember MD singing bhoolja bhoolja in very high pitch, but that song is in Mukesh’s voice without that high pitched bhoolja bhoolja.
Deshmukhji is the only one who can help out with this.
I have two songs where in the beginning Rafi in sher and later lata taking over own her own.
I hope this will fit Bhatiaji’s bill.

Black Cat song mai tumhi se poochhti hoon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpJFs9Kh1GE#t=61

Baat ek raat ki
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-lQ8hNVthc
Sheeshe ka ho ya patthat ka dil

152 N Venkataraman December 6, 2014 at 7:40 pm

Sharma ji, Mumbaikar8 ji,
Thank you for the wonderful numbers.
When I said I cannot recollect MK’s songs from Ram aur Shyam and Saathi, my intention was not to contradict Mahesh ji. Even after listening to the MK’s duet with Asha Bhosle posted by Sharmaji, I could not remember listening to the song earlier, although I have seen Ram aur Shyam.
Yes I am with you Sharmaji on K L saigal-Rafi

153 N Venkataraman December 6, 2014 at 7:52 pm

Sorry for the incomplete comment.
Sharmaji I am with you on your views on K L Saigal-Rafi song from Shahjehan.
Let me add another song although it belongs to 1973. In the entire song Lata sings from 3:41 to 3:52 and again from 4:32 to 4:35 , altogether for 15 seconds. Hope this song will qualify for an Eagle if not a Double-eagle.
Meri dil ki jali hai aaj holi, by Manna Dey and Lata Mangeshkar, Pinjra (1973), lyrics Bharat Vyas, music Ram Kadam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_KgRGICsuo

154 N Venkataraman December 6, 2014 at 8:27 pm

Sharmaji, Mumbaikar8 ji, Mahesh ji
Mahesh ji was absolutely right. Thanks to Mumbaikar8 ji for providing the lead. This song also fits in well with the theme currently under discussion. Mahendra kapoor singing the words Bhool ja (4), thrice in the entire song taking 30 seconds in all. Thank you Mahesh ji.
Here is the link
Jo chala caya use bhool j by Mukesh and Mahendra Kapoor, Saathi (1968), lyrics Majrooh Sultanpuri, music Naushad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8W_F4xfilg

155 mumbaikar8 December 6, 2014 at 10:11 pm

Venkataraman Ji,
I did not mean to say you were contradicting Mahesh.I am sorry if I sent that impression. I wanted to second Mahesh’s statement.
Thank you very much for the Saathi song upload, I tried but could not find it with MK’s bhoolja bhoolja.
Surprisingly it fits the bill of the theme too!

156 arvindersharma December 6, 2014 at 11:37 pm

Bhatia Ji, mumbaikar8, Venkataraman Ji and Mahesh Ji,
A few more in this interesting series
The beautiful all time classic by Talat and Asha from ‘Sone Ki Chidiya’
Pyar Par Bus To Nahin Hai – Talat Mehmood, Asha B…: http://youtu.be/dYchgFUtmgo

A lesser heard song from ‘School Master’ has Mahendra Kapoor contributing with only one opening line
Aaj Andhere Mein Hain Ham Bhagwan Gyan Ka Sooraj …: http://youtu.be/79CZJAWDn50
(Actually the song is, ‘Aaj andhere me hain sab insaan’)
Another timeless song from ‘Sohni Mahiwal’, where Rafi provides just the opener, and it’s Lata all the way in the rest of the song
Sohni Mahiwal (1958)-Mera Bichhda Yaar Mila De (M…: http://youtu.be/Dt80Iax6zWU

One more from ‘Halaku’, where Rafi plays second fiddle to Lata
Halaku – Dil Ka Na Karna Aitbaar Koi – Mohd.Rafi …: http://youtu.be/eVKbxtmbkCE

Again, in this duet from ‘Tu Hi Meri Zindagi’, Rafi plays the same role, this time to Asha Bhonsle
Jidhar Bhi Mai Dekhu – Deb Mukherjee – Nivedita -…: http://youtu.be/5fKMMZrDUFg

Lastly, in this great song from ‘Jhanak Jhanak Payal Baje’, Manna De completes the classic sung by Lata
Mere Ae Dil Bata (Jhanak Jhanak Payal Baje): http://youtu.be/M3TidqXIMYg

157 ksbhatia December 6, 2014 at 11:44 pm

Yes ; every one is hitting bulls eye . As long as we are entertained , there is no question of missing the target or a bogey . I see there are many surprises in store in the worthy colleagues wardrobes and i am sure they will open their cards slowly. Till now so many hidden songs came up which were not heard earlier . To me the surprise no ..1 . was the saigal rafi combo [ also noted the yester years actor Jairaj at 3.15 ] , no 2 was MKs exit utterations of Ganga Jamuna song which till now i was thinking that it was Rafis voice. no.3. Lata chitalkar combo song from un heard movie 40 ………… And the beautiful melody ‘” Main tumhi se pucchhti hun ” from Black cat falling into this catag. Thanks Venketramanji for uploading the songs . Here is one more from my side ” Dharti se door badaloan ke pass aaja basale naya sansar aaja ” by Geeta and Aasha ji . Here geeta dutt is the main singer and aasha ji only giving humming support . The song is from Sangdil.

158 Hans December 6, 2014 at 11:58 pm

This is a good theme started by Bhatiaji. As told by Sharmaji such songs have been mentioned earlier on SOY. Mahesh (comment 138) declared the Paying Guest song the best under this theme. Perhaps he thought there is no other wordless song. But, Mumbaikar8 came up with ‘bachpan ke din bhi’ with only humming by Asha. Another song from Sone Ki Chidiya ‘pyar par bas to nahin hai’ (Talat-Asha) has already been mentioned when this theme was earlier discussed. The coincidence in these 3 songs is that Asha is humming for the same person in each of them. The link for ‘pyar par bas’ is here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYchgFUtmgo

There is another song in which Hemant is contributing in the same manner and Lata is singing (peechhe peechhe aakar – House No 44). This has also been discussed earlier at more than one place. Everybody would agree that these great MDs created these songs for special effects. In view of this perhaps the song posted by Arunji from Chalisbaba Ek Chor is unique, because such special effects are not found in any other song – at least not by me.

Bhatiaji mentioned ‘panchhi banu udti phirun’ which Lata sang and Mannadey and chorus chanted hillori (yes it is hillori Bhatiaji not billori). There is a similar song in Mere Sanam sung by Asha where Rafi just sings Haji Baba twice after Asha completes the mukhda. The song is ‘Haji-3 are haji baba’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSXVt-B8dPw

I think songs with such set few words being repeated should be considered as wordless songs by the second singer. Thus songs like ‘door koyi gaye’ (lead singer here is Shamshad Bhatiaji) will fall under the wordless category.

Two such wonderful songs were posted by Sharmaji, from Ganga Jamuna and Leader. And it is so difficult to locate such songs which are famed as being solos. Therefore I would congratulate Sharmaji on discovering these songs. I remember two such songs which have been passed as solos. Mohabbat choome jiske hath from Aan and Tum jo mil gaye ho from Hanste Jakhm have been issued as solos in records. The Aan song contains Shamshad singing the Mukhda 3 times by the maid-servant of Nadira who is sent to call Dilip. In Hanste Zakhm Lata sings the mukhda for Priya Rajvansh when Rafi has ended singing. More in the next post.

159 Hans December 7, 2014 at 12:13 am

Bhatiaji, the Ganga Jamuna singer has not been finally settled as per me. It is least likely that it was Mahendra Kapoor. The singer could be Rafi or he could be Dilip himself. Rafi has sung quite a few songs in which he sounded like MK. I and AK discussed a few such songs in the Chitragupta article, you can listen to them. Dilip himself sang at least one song as duet with Lata in Musafir.

Another topic being discussed is the number of songs sung by MK for Naushad. So far as what I know he has sung 7 songs (excluding the Ganga Jamuna song) of which 4 are solos or chorus based solos, two are male-male duets and one male-female duet. The male-male duets from Aadmi and Sathi and the male-female duet from Ram aur Shyam have been mentioned. The Sohni Mahiwal song is well known. In Sunehra Sansar there are two versions (happy and sad) of the same song ‘is ghar men koi deewar nahin’. The remaining song is from film Ganwaar. The song is ‘woh kaun hai jo maan ki tarah’ – a chorus based solo.

160 maheshmamadapur December 7, 2014 at 11:55 am

Ya-hoo ! Chhahe koyi mujhe junglee kahe (Junglee) (1961)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1otz4NQxSP8

The yahoo part was done by Prayag Raj

Now, what about Affo khudaayaa (Jab Jab Phool Khile) (1965) ??

161 Arunkumar Deshmukh December 7, 2014 at 12:07 pm

Mumbaikar8 ji,

Re. comment no. 151…

The song ‘ jo chala gaya usse bhool ja’-Saathi-1968, does have Mahendra Kapoor in the begining. This is confirmed by HFGK as well as Raju Bharatan ji in his book ‘ Naushadnama’ pp 179.

-AD

162 maheshmamadapur December 7, 2014 at 1:40 pm

Arun Sir,
Thanks for the confirmation. May I add that the film titles at the beginning do not have MK’s name. Its only Mukesh, Suman and Lata.

It was Naushad who said MD’s were guilty of using Mukesh in high pitches. This song will rank amongst Mukesh’s highest pitch. But, then Mukesh does a decent job for the song.

163 gaddeswarup December 7, 2014 at 3:36 pm

Wondering whether are some sort of unique occurrences “It happened only once” sort of things. I find that there is one duet by Geeta Dutt and Ashoka Kumar. Did they sing any more duets?. If not, are there similar rare occurrences?

164 maheshmamadapur December 7, 2014 at 3:49 pm

Rafi-Noorjehan in Jugnu 1947.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PKNh4ceh14

165 arvindersharma December 7, 2014 at 4:13 pm

Lata Suman Kalyanpur duet from ‘Chand’
Lata Mangeshkar & Suman Kalyanpur – Kabhi Aaj Kab…: http://youtu.be/28VvV7kbYTI

166 arvindersharma December 7, 2014 at 4:38 pm

Venkataraman Ji,
Here are some more
Lata and Dilip Kumar from ‘Musafir’
Dilip Kumar Sings with Lata ji…: http://youtu.be/4kcdZ5zY75I

Lata Mangeshkar, Usha Mangeshkar and Meena Mangeshkar from ‘Patrani’
PATRANI [1956] … LATA MANGESHKAR … ARI KOI JA…: http://youtu.be/-ASzOkczRmQ

I am sceptical about this one from ‘Sambandh’, a duet by Hemant Kumar and Mahendra Kapoor, but the contrasting melody by OP Naiyyar and great lyrics by Pradeep force me to take a plunge.
Sambhand – Jo Diya Tha Tumne Ek Din – Mahendra Ka…: http://youtu.be/BojAVUajGoI

167 arvindersharma December 7, 2014 at 4:44 pm

Sorry Gaddeswarup Ji,
I should have addressed you in the post as you initiated this interesting discussion, and no offense to dear Venkataraman Ji.

168 mumbaikar8 December 7, 2014 at 10:49 pm

Arunji,
Thanks.

169 gaddeswarup December 8, 2014 at 4:26 am

arvindsharmaji, No worries. I am an outsider in these discussions with very little knowledge of films, songs and Hindi. But I have always enjoyed Hindi film songs without knowing the language. This forum gives me chance to ask uninformed questions and better : links to many wonderful songs that I have not been aware of. With best regards,
Swarup

170 arvindersharma December 8, 2014 at 8:10 pm

I am sure everyone amongst us must not heard the Mukesh song from ‘Anokhi Ada’, ‘Kabhi dil dil se takraya to hogs’
Now listen to this beautiful Shamshad Begum twin song, where Mukesh sings just two lines.
Kabhi Dil Dil Se Shamshad Begum Mukesh Film Anokh…: http://youtu.be/1rhxkVUQkBc

171 arvindersharma December 8, 2014 at 8:32 pm

In my comments above, kindly read the first line as, ‘everyone amongst us must have heard’.
Regret typo error.

172 ksbhatia December 9, 2014 at 3:09 pm

Arvindersharmaji, Amazing ! Beautiful song from Anokhi Ada , nice discovery of single / double line rendering by a male singer . Can I ask you who is the male actor beside surendra nath ? Just for cuorosity .

173 arvindersharma December 9, 2014 at 5:12 pm

KS Bhatia Ji,
Thanks for your liking this beautiful song.
But to answer your question, I am not the right person.
We have Gaddeswarup Ji, Arun Kumar Deshmukh Ji, Hans Ji, and Venkataraman Ji, besides many other stalwarts, who can identify the actors of vintage era.
I am sure someone will come up with an answer.
I am merely an audio buff, who now trying to get familiar with vintage HFM.

174 AK December 9, 2014 at 5:20 pm

I have been following the discussion with great fascination, but could not participate as I had been travelling. On return I heard all the songs carefully, and what amazing collection we have! After some incredible ‘similar songs’, now ‘Happy-Sad’ songs and ‘Duets that are really solos’ collection must be the best available anywhere at one place.

Duets that are really solos have been discussed off and on earlier too, and I have some thoughts on them which I like to share with the readers. One type is where one of the voices is a recognised playback singer, but the other is the actor ‘speaking’ a few words, such as Vyjayanthimala in Bol Radha bol sangam hoga ki nahi. Another that comes to mind is Ek tha gul aur ek thi bulbul in which Nanda carries forward the conversation to the Rafi solo in recital style. There could be several. We may keep this type aside.

A second type arises because of difference between the film version and the record, which is made later for commercial sale as a stand alone product. Mohabbat choome jinke haath or Kabhi dil dil se takrata to hoga I understand were recorded as solos, but in films you have short pieces of Shamshad Begum’s voice in both the songs. (Bhatiaji, the second male actor in Anokhi Ada you see in the song is Prem Adib. A typical love-triangle). Dharti ko aakash pukaare is a classic example – you see this song in various short combo of Mukesh and Shamshad Begum throughout the film Mela, but, I don’t recall ever as the standard duet we are familiar with. Such songs would be innumerable, and we may also keep them aside. (This is not to say that such songs are not interesting in their own right.)

Mere sapno ki rani, Roohi meri Roohi is indeed very interesting for Rafi’s line in the end in KL Saigal’s chorus-backed solo. I didn’t count it in my list of ‘Duets that are really solos’, because Rafi was then a minor singer for Naushad. Rafi too took it as a great opportunity for a beginner to sing with his idol.

That leaves the cases where both the voices are equally weighty, but one just hums, or sings a few lines or words. These are also in large numbers, and their compilation and analysis can throw some interesting pattern, as Vebkataramanji and some other readers have attempted. The more interesting question is the musical or cinematic reasons for such innovation, and whether there were any ego issues in such cases.

There is another type which has not been mentioned by the readers. There are many duets of three stanzas, in which one voice sings the first two stanzas, creating an impression of it being a solo, and the other voice sings the third stanza, which is often forgotten. The problem arose because in the 78-rpm days, only two stanzas (i.e. making it a solo) were recorded and broadcast, and later with LP-technology the full song came to public knowledge. For many years I regarded Tumhara chaahnewala Khuda ki duniya mein mere siwa bhi koi aur ho Khuda na kare or Bahut shukriya badi meharbani as solos.

Lastly, let me add a trivia to Mahesh’s Yahoo trivia. The other day I saw Namak Halaal on TV, the main charm being Pag ghunghroo baandh Meera naachi re. After the song, the TV filler mentioned that the classical sargam taans in the song were sung not by Kishore Kumar, but by a classical singer P Satyanarayan Mishra, who also taught music to KK’s son Amit Kumar. I still find it difficult to believe, because the whole piece is so seamless, and I am sure KK would have done an equally competent job.

175 mumbaikar8 December 9, 2014 at 6:30 pm

Sharmaji,
Thanks for the beautiful song.
Bhatiaji, AK,
Some songs we think as duets are not, for example, in Raju Bharatan’s Naushadnama he mentions that, tu gnaga ki muaj mai, infact was a rafi solo it became a duet because HMV doctored it that way in 78 RPM record.The link to goole book and the song we all know!
http://books.google.com/books?id=mg09BAAAQBAJ&pg=PT146&lpg=PT146&dq=raju+bharatan+naushad+nama+rafi&source=bl&ots=EUa4OZt0zg&sig=D8EPlJ8wxHYW24DortHBs6q_sXU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=n-6GVNScOoymyASpmoG4DA&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=tu%20ganga&f=false
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiROhJjdlYg

176 gaddeswarup December 10, 2014 at 6:55 am

Motherland magazine has an issue ‘item’ with links to interesting articles http://www.motherlandmagazine.com/ Richard Singer has a post on Cuckoo Moray. In the comments section, Mel gives links to some olf Filmindia issues.

177 gaddeswarup December 10, 2014 at 11:43 am

AKJi at 174 “That leaves the cases where both the voices are equally weighty, but one just hums, or sings a few lines or words. …..The more interesting question is the musical or cinematic reasons for such innovation, and whether there were any ego issues in such cases.” Two cases I remember seem very different but ego considerations do not seem to be the cause. One is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X55NhTZ-gKs
The other is the famous Mubarak Begum-Talat duet (though some dispute whether it was Mubarak Begum) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3XdTVypwcI
But I do not know enough Hindi to judge the weight of the significance of words. I would guess, the reasons were mostly cinematic.

178 arvindersharma December 10, 2014 at 2:26 pm

Gaddeswarup Ji,
Listened to the beautiful rare song, ‘chanda ka rang liye’, after you mentioned that there is some confusion as to who is the female singer of the song.
I am nearly sure that the singer is Lata, and not Mubarak Begum, unless some concrete proof is there to contradict this.
(For me, it will be very tough to believe that Mubarak Begum is the singer).
In Atul ji’s blog also, a reader has posted the song mentioning Lata and Talat as singers.

179 Hans December 11, 2014 at 2:58 am

Sharmaji, (No. 166)
Lata, Meena, Usha has another song which is more famous ‘duniya men aaye hain to jeena hi padega’ from Mother India.

The Hemant Kapoor song is unique. Hemant was perhaps a ladies man. Very few of his songs are exclusively with male singers. As per the available record with me, besides the Sambandh song he has one duet with Rafi ‘dushmanon savdhan’ fromd Netaji Subhash Bose as per HFGK but in that duet Hemant’s voice is not audible. Another MM duet is with Ravi in film Yahudi ki Ladki, but I could not confirm because no such song was found on youtube.

Besides these there are five more songs of his with only male singers. One is in Kitna Badal Gaya Insaan with Ghulam Mohd and an unknown singer ‘paanv badhata chal’. He has 4 all male songs in Biwi Aur Makaan, which is a story of 5 friends, two of whom (Biswajeet and Keshto) play the role of wives of two of the others for getting a house on rent. This is a unique film in which there is no male female duet, though there is love affair with two daughters of the landlord.

I am mentioning this film in detail because it has three songs which conform to the ongoing themes. There is a song ‘khul simsim khullam khulla’ (with nonsensical lyrics to give it a comic touch) sung by Manna Dey, Hemant and Bula Gupta and this is picturised on Biswajeet who himself mimicks the other sounds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy-mB8GBfAc

There is a song ‘bas mujhko muhabbat ho gai hai’ sung by Mukesh in ‘nain dwar se’ style and Talat, Hemant, Manna Dey and Joginder support him. While Mukesh sings in one tune the others sing in two different tunes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1JvRoI4E-k

In fact all the other three all male songs would fit some or the other theme and are funny also. So I will give links to them in a separate post.

180 Hans December 11, 2014 at 3:12 am

Aa tha jab janam liya – Biwi aur Makan – Manna, Mukesh, Hemant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3piAsv6myE
There are two songs in this link which follow one after other. The song which follows is Lata-Asha duet ‘dabe labon se’.

Duniya men do sayane – Manna, Hemant, Joginder, Jayant Mukherji
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXoego8w374

Jab dosti hoti hai – Manna, Hemant, Balbir, Ghulam Mohd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzwT7T9nCSA

181 arvind December 11, 2014 at 11:24 am

wishing dilip kumar many happy returns of the day.sharing a madhumati song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkjfF11k7ls
(toote huye khwabon ne…)

182 maheshmamadapur December 11, 2014 at 1:10 pm

Its Asha ji all the way for this sub-theme of wordless magical duets.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8F3q_S4Dxo

Talat saab and Asha ji in PYASE NAIN-1954.

183 maheshmamadapur December 11, 2014 at 1:28 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fci06O4iQnw

And, now the Nightingale.

Talat-Lata in Adl-e-Jehangir 1955.

184 arvindersharma December 11, 2014 at 1:36 pm

Hans Ji,
Many thanks for reminding me and fellow contributors for the famous triplet of ‘Mother India’, which I had completely forgotten, while mentioning the song from ‘Patrani’
Following you in the musical endeavor, here is a song from K Asif’s ‘Love And God’, where Manna De, Rafi, Talat and Lata besides Balbeer are singing this less heard gem.
(My favorite portion is where Rafi takes over)
Muhammad Rafi,Manna Dey,Talat Mehmood & Lata Mang…: http://youtu.be/ox7LTIU92vo

185 N Venkataraman December 11, 2014 at 11:04 pm

Yeh hansta hua karvan zindagi ka na poocho chala hai kidar – Hemant Kumar and Asha Bhosle
Will this song qualify?
Probably this song was discussed in one of the earlier posts. I cannot exactly recollect.
Another song is Main teri tamanna karta hoon from the film Khyber 1954 where Madhubala Zaveri repeats the line O jaaniyaan, O jaaniyaan, mera dil mujhko de. Mukesh was the main singer.

186 N Venkataraman December 11, 2014 at 11:23 pm

Another wordless magic! Usha Khanna with Mukesh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOtxvi_1tww

187 AK December 11, 2014 at 11:31 pm

Venkataramanji,
Ye hansta hua zindagi ka fits in perfectly. I recall I mentioned it along with some other songs, such as Peechhe peechhe aa ke. Main teri tamanna karta hun is a wonderful song.

Mahesh,
Your both songs are outstanding. HFGK does not identify the female voice in Chaand sitaare karte ishaare; if it is really Lata Mangeshkar, it is the most extreme case discovered so far, because even the humming of the lady is almost inaudible unlike Asha Bhosle’s in several songs mentioned earlier.

188 ksbhatia December 12, 2014 at 12:06 am

Venkataramanji, Yeh hansta hua karvan zindgi ka ………. is one of the most lovable and romantic song of Hemant and Aashaji . The song hits right on the target . Thanks for reminding the melody .

189 ksbhatia December 12, 2014 at 12:13 am

Many happy returns of the day to our great Dilip sahib ji . It is one of the reason that we are enjoying yester years melodies . And I wish to share one of my fav song ” Milte he ankhen dil hua diwana kisi ka ” from babul .

190 mumbaikar8 December 12, 2014 at 1:05 am

Wishing Dilip Kumar a happy and healthy life on this day,
with one of my, many Dilip saab’s, favourite. Aaj purani rahon se koi mujhe awaaz na de.

191 Hans December 12, 2014 at 1:40 am

Thanks to Arvind for timely reminding us about Dilip Kumar birthday. I would give a link to the Dil Diya Dard Liya song ‘koi sagar dil ko’. A stalwart Rafi fan once told about an email to him by a friend, who was not particularly fond of Rafi, who said that Shakeel excelled himself in this song and has seen few better deep meaning lyrics than this song. He particularly mentioned the last antara of the ghazal.
Zindagi ke aaine ko tod do,
Ismen ab kuchh bhi nazar aata nahin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUzbWsZKdAs

What a pity that such great music by Naushad and the three ace solos by Rafi and the pairing of Dilip-Waheeda could not stop the film from being a flop.

192 AK December 12, 2014 at 11:15 am

I celebrated Dilip Kumar’s birthday yesterday in a grand manner with three back to back movies thanks to Z-Classic: Amar, Andaaz and Aan. Each a distinct character, ranging from serious, romantic, brooding, swashbuckling. With Naushad music to boot one couldn’t ask for more. Wishing him a long life.

193 arvind December 12, 2014 at 12:24 pm

watched, yet again, ‘DEVDAS’.the portion between 2:09:00 to 2:15:40
is incredibly intense !something similar in intensity to when madhubala is trying to take dilip to temple and his reluctance in AMAR.

http://youtu.be/5vTH16nAXhY

194 mumbaikar8 December 12, 2014 at 6:37 pm

Let us have some wordless comedy after a series of wordless magic.
thoda sa dil laga ke dekh from Musfir Khana.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEr7Qg2x-7w

195 mumbaikar8 December 12, 2014 at 6:41 pm

Venkataramanji,
Here is the Mukesh Madhubala Zhaveri song you cited earlier. I think it fits the bill. Let us wait for the final verdict by Bhatia sir.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjzpqQC0COo#t=12

196 AK December 12, 2014 at 10:41 pm

Sometime back we were discussing similar songs. I discovered this Geeta Dutt song from Jalte Deep (1950), lyrics by Naazim Panipati, music by TK Das. So rare, but inspired N Datta for Tere pyar ka aasra chaahta hun?.

Humein apne dil se juda kar rahe ho

197 mumbaikar8 December 12, 2014 at 11:09 pm

AK,
Good discovery!
Can you believe? I just discovered one.
RDB inspired by his father.
SDB Sitaron se aage chanda ki chandnika jadu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFWAKJCjxQo#t=157
RDB Chala murari heo banne Do pal ki hai ye zindaani
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D21eMxe2ooc#t=223

198 ksbhatia December 12, 2014 at 11:48 pm

AKji, Jalte deep is truly an inspirational song for N Dutta’s Dhool ka Phool song and the tune is very similar. The music and songs of Dhool ka phool’ , otherwise was great .

199 ksbhatia December 13, 2014 at 12:17 am

Mumbaikar8, Musafir khana song by geeta and rafi is really great and perfectly fits the bill; so also Venkatramanji’s Mukesh/ Madhubala Zhaveri song . The rendering with which rafi sahib sang for Johny Walker holds the perfection seal . I have a faint remembrance of a kishore / rafi song where kishore provided only the ” Yodlie ” part with rafi as main singer. I am unable to recollect the song and the movie [ picturised on Gope, Bhagwan?] . Anybody having an idea of the same? Your SDB/ RDB similar songs are really a surprise for me. It seems OK in the family .

200 Hans December 13, 2014 at 2:07 am

Mumbaikar8,
In continuation of your wordless comedy here is a similar song from Sanam. Meena Kumari crushes the foot of Dev Anand to make him sing, but he sends out a cry in the classical voice of Batish, which is the only contribution of Batish in the song.

Naya naya hai pyar – Sanam 1951 – Suraiyya, Shamshad, Batish
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLmDogH8Rjk

There is another funny song in the same film by Batish and Shamshad. Gope starts singing in the voice of Batish and Meena Kumari slaps him on the back of his head and lo! the voice of Shamshad starts coming out of his mouth. Shamshad sings a few words and Meena gives another slap and he is Batish again.
Chalo honolulu – Sanam 1951 – Batish, Shamshad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FSvhcm0rGk

201 mumbaikar8 December 13, 2014 at 4:29 am

Hans,
You have surely moved the comedy further let’s see how far others can take! Bhatiaji mentioned some Rafi Kishore song, I hope someone finds
it.
Bhatiaji,
We were discussing happy sad moods in a song.
This song from Kajal, the moods are not happy and sad but it is exactly opposite to one other, Asha is totally at peace while the Rafi absolutely restless inspite of being high .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCjosNCJwuA

202 AK December 13, 2014 at 10:45 am

In the ‘Open House’ things are moving very fast now, and one has to keep running not to be left behind.

I wish to compliment Hans on his interesting observation on Chalo Honolulu. I was familiar with the song, but had not given much thought to its picturisation.

No one noticed that Venkataramanji’s Main teri tamanna karta hun combines two themes currently being discussed. Not only it fits into ‘Duets that are really solos but also ‘Inspired songs’ – inspired very clearly from Hum tujhse mohabbat karke sanam. I vaguely recall there is another very similar Mukesh song.

203 AK December 13, 2014 at 4:09 pm

Dear readers,
Now SoY is on facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/songsofyore

204 arvind December 14, 2014 at 9:40 am

december 14.raj kapoor’s birthday! lyricist shailendra ‘s passing away !!sharing a ‘teesri kasam’ song :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT7HoeYpiB0

(duniya banane waale …)

205 AK December 14, 2014 at 11:08 am

And Zee Classic is having RK festival. Watching Shree 420, I don’t emember how many times I have seen it.

206 N Venkataraman December 14, 2014 at 11:15 am

My tributes to Raj Kapoor and Shailendra.

Shailendra was also the producer of the film Tesri Kasam. It took four long years for completion. The film was critically acclaimed, but did not achieve commercial success. The same year Shailendra became critically ill and passed away at an young age of 43.

Before his demise Shailendra had written the first two lines of a song for the film Mera Naam Joker. Later Shaily, the son of Shailendra, then in his teens penned the lyrics for the rest of the song. The song was Jeena yahaan marna yahaan.

207 ksbhatia December 14, 2014 at 1:59 pm

Mumbaikar8; Excellent forgotten Kajal song; born again . This is really a magic of sahir/ ravi combo which shows how a melody is made without or least instrumental support . I think this song can easily be rated as one of the best of Aashaji/ Rafi sahib duet. Beautiful discovery.

208 ksbhatia December 14, 2014 at 2:30 pm

Those who are watching Shree 420 must keep their ears ” on ” to the excellent background music ‘ The movie have many hidden tunes of RK movies as also SJ songs for the films made thereafter.

209 mumbaikar8 December 14, 2014 at 9:36 pm

Remembering Raj Kapoor and Shailender.
Irony! song of his last movie.
Sajan re jhooth mat bolo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiS4pgwXADQ

210 Hans December 15, 2014 at 2:15 am

Arvind has again shown the path here about Raj Kapoor and Shailendra.

Another star of yesteryears Biswajeet also shares his birthday with Raj Kapoor. He is known to be a hero whose career rocked because of Rafi. But, initially he came with Hemant as his playback. Hemant scored ‘jara najron se kahdo ji’ and ‘bekarar karke hamen’ in Bees Saal Baad which was a hit and his career was launched. Hemant also playbacked for him in Bin Badal Barsaat (‘jab jaag uthen armaan’ and ‘zindagi kitni khoobsoorat hai’) and Kohra (‘ye nayan dare dare’ and ‘rah bani khud manzil’) for the films in which he himself was MD. KA then continued in the same vein in Majboor and gave ‘tumhen jo bhi dekh lega’ to Hemant to sing. But, they gave one solo to Rafi also in that film. Then Ravi came up with Shehnai in the same year and his triple aces ‘na jhatko zulf se pani’, ‘kitni jawan hai zindagi’ and ‘kya ajab saaz hai ye shehnai’ and Biswajeet was inseparable from Rafi for a long time, with hits like Mere Sanam, April Fool and Night in London. But I give here link to a song by Chitragupta from Pyar Ka Sapna which came in 1969 when his career had started a downtrend. The song is ‘ji lagta nahi apna’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff5rGykiTlk

211 mmumbaikar8 December 15, 2014 at 3:42 am

Hans,
In Biwi Aur Makan Rafi sang one song for Biswajeet under Hemant Kumar’s music direction,.
Jane kahan dekha hai kahan Dekha Hai Tumhe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkifmAo1JN4

212 mumbaikar8 December 15, 2014 at 8:58 pm

Bhatiaji,
Absolutely wonderful happy sad song from Daman by the Mangeshkar’s sister.
Yeh ruki ruki si hawayen from Daman. It is mentioned in 1951 year songs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZSXsGj9fdc

213 ksbhatia December 15, 2014 at 10:59 pm

Mumbaiker8; Simply superb song . I must confess I have not heard it earlier . Such rare songs are always joys for ever . During 60s and mid 60s there were quiet a few Lata/Asha duets which made grade in popularity charts of binaca geetmala during that time, Viz . 1 Choonhey na doongi main haath re najarion se ji bhar doongi 2. Yeh rangeen mahfil sharabi sharabi .etc

214 ksbhatia December 15, 2014 at 11:48 pm

Mumbaiker8; There are three beautiful songs by Hemantda in the Biswajit starer movie Rahgir ….1 Janam se banjara hun .2. Kabhi ruk gaye hain . 3. Tumahre nain dekh ke suna hai log jogi hogaye . The movie was a classic but could not do any thing for the masses . The movie had beautiful songs by Gulzar sahib and tuned by Hemant Kumar . The Lata ‘s song ” Mitwa bhul gaye kyun rahen ” is superb in content ; summing up the theme of the movie . All songs are worth listening again and again .

215 ksbhatia December 16, 2014 at 12:22 am

SOY family; So far so good ; We have really enjoyed listening to the most uncommon songs contributed in the three ” Themes ” Viz . … 1. Similar songs …2. Happy / Sad combo songs and 3. no word , few words, a liner , humming songs . The songs were really fantastic and I am sure the SOY family must have got really enriched by the various contribution . Two weeks from now we will be getting ready to welcome the New Year and for that, if permitted, I once again propose to offer one more theme ” Love call songs ” . In this theme the song can be happy or sad but must have a love call in the form of a word ; a line or a verse ; like 1. Aaja aaja … Tuj ko pukare mera pyar 2 Tumehn kasam hai mere dil ko na thukrao ……… O jane wale mudke jara dekhte jana [ shree 420] . I am sure every one will like this theme and as said before the ball is in every ones courtyard.

216 gaddeswarup December 16, 2014 at 7:16 am

Responding to 215. Like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmpuFJAPtbE

217 ksbhatia December 16, 2014 at 11:26 pm

Two songs from my side …..1. ” Ayee thi raat josh e tamaana liye………… Sitaaron ki mehfil saji tum na aaye ” Lataji sad song from Udan khatola with music by Naushad …….2 . ” Rahega ishk tera khaak mein milake mujhe…….. Aa aabhi ja raat dhalne lagi chand chhupne chala ” Lataji ‘s song from Teesri kasam with music by Shanker jaikishan. Both these have beautiful lines before the main song. And both have timeless aging ; not to be forgotten having collectors items tag .

218 gaddeswarup December 17, 2014 at 2:02 am

“And so the first movie to feature a song on rain might have been Tansen 1941. Do correct us if you know otherwise but we just went on a logical thinking spree and deduced it.” from https://www.friedeye.com/some-firsts-of-india-cinema/

219 AK December 17, 2014 at 2:08 pm

Gaddeswarupji,
That’s a very interesting link. Thanks a lot. They have missed one important trivia: the first female music director. Saraswati Devi (Achhut Kanya, 1936) was given this honour, but new research gives this credit to some earlier ladies.

On rain song, the information is almost surely wrong. If you glance at the list of songs from 1931 to 1942 (Tansen came in 1943, and not in 1941), you find dozens on the theme of rain. SoY has mentioned some very early songs, such as Barkha ki raat aaye manwa har le man ka bhaar by Pankaj Mullick in Adhikar (1938). In 1938 there is another one: Jhuki aayi re badariya saawan ki by Renuka Devi from Bhabhi. I am not aware of their picturisation; it is possible they were not picturised in rain. But here is Aaye aaye barkha laye by Sitara Devi from Roti (1942). What would you call this?

220 ksbhatia December 17, 2014 at 11:29 pm

Gaddeswarup’ji; The link is really very intresting and informative. However there seem to be some mistakes also. The first film to be awarded as ‘ A ‘ certificate was Barsat and not Nagina . And the first movie to be banned was Begunah [1956-58] ;not Sidharth .

221 Hans December 18, 2014 at 2:15 am

Gaddeswarupji,
AK is right and there is no reason he could be wrong because rain and sawan is such a common theme in Hindi films that it would be foolhardy to think that there would not be a rain song until 1943. There are a lot of songs from 1931 which suggest they were rain songs as AK said and he has given video evidence also. I know of a song from Aurat (music Anil Biswas) which was a rain song.

Gagri sookhi bail piyasa – Aurat ( 1940) – lyrics Safdar Aah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg6UCpNZLTI

These lines ‘gagri sookhi bail piyasa’ were later used in Sitaron Se Aage as starting lines for a song composed by SDB. Song was written by Majrooh.

Sambhal ke ye duniya hai – Sitaron Se Aage 1958
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVkQnD9f0Gc

The article in the link talks about research, but there is hardly any research. Most of the facts have been taken from books written about the History of films and wherever they have tried to take guesses of their own, they are wild ones. AK and Bhatiaji have referred to some of these.

AK,
You are right about the first female MD. The first female MD as per HFGK is Israt Sultana who gave music for Adal-e-Jahangir in 1934. May be she was the famous actress Bibbo, whose real name was Israt Sultana. This Israt Sultana gave music in only one other film Qazzak Ki Ladki (1937) jointly with another MD by the name of Samad. Bibbo acted opposite Surendra in the later film, but she did not act in the 1934 film. This riddle about Israt Sultana can be solved by Arunji only.

222 gaddeswarup December 18, 2014 at 2:25 am

Thanks to AKJi and others for the links. I was also fairly sure that they were wrong about the first rain song but thought that the query may unearth some nice songs.

223 Hans December 18, 2014 at 3:04 am

Mumbaikar8, (comment 211)
Prior to that Hemant used Rafi on Biswajeet in Do Dil (1965). He composed two solos and one duet picturised on Biswajeet and one solo on Mehmood which were sung by Rafi. One of the solos was ‘tera husn rahe mera ishq rahe’ – one of the most romantic songs. He also composed the most famous duet by Arati Mukherjee ‘sara mora kajra churaya tune’.

Regarding comment 118, which I could not reply earlier, Ashok Kumar was not a bad singer at all. You should consider that he came in an era of singing stars when the actors had to sing their own songs and music was in primitive stage. He sang what was given to him by MDs according to the prevalent style, which was based on the available instruments. Despite that he was the one who never tried to copy Sehgal and kept his own identity. His songs like ‘main ban ki chidiya’ and ‘radha radha pyari radha’ are still popular and are part of any collection of duets of vintage era. It is a shame that people like Kishore – whose life was made by Ashok Kumar – ridiculed his singing in his interview with Lata. I give a link to a solo by him in Achhut Kanya ‘peer peer kya karta re teri peer na jane koye’.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFt6nxfNa38

224 AK December 18, 2014 at 11:02 am

Hans,
Arunji confirms she is Bibbo. Jaddanbai (Nargis’s mother) comes second, Saraswati Devi becomes third.

225 Arunkumar Deshmukh December 18, 2014 at 2:37 pm

ksbhatia ji,

Ref comment no.220…

The first film to be banned was The Mill aka Mazdoor- 1934. Later on,after few changes it was released on 9-5-1936,as Ghareeb Parwar aka Daya ki Devi.
The next to be banned was Jugnu-47. After a legal battle,it was released again.
Next was Shin shinaki Boobla Boo-1952. This too fought a legal case and won after 1 year.
Next was Begunah-57.

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226 arvind December 18, 2014 at 7:51 pm

http://youtu.be/JWTqXJ4TocI
(yeh raat ye fizaayen …….aao shama bujha ke ham aaj dil jalayen..).
we all are familiar with this song and enjoy it every time we get to hear it.

but it appears this slightly modified version (the changes,in my opinion ,made it less soulful) was used in the movie: ….aao shama jalake ham aaj mil ke gaayen…

http://youtu.be/w6EatJIkVgg

227 ksbhatia December 19, 2014 at 12:50 pm

Arunkumar deshmukh , Thanks for the information. I think Beghuna was the only movie which was released for only two or three days, then withdrawn and there after it was banned and never re-released ; though its songs were released and some of them are on the YT .

228 ksbhatia December 19, 2014 at 1:22 pm

In cont. of #217 , Here is one more gem of a beautiful and melodious song by Lataji from the movie …..EK SAAL…… ” Kisi ne aaj mohabbat ko aajmaya hai [ as liner] ………… Chale bhi aao chale bee aao kasam tumehen hai [ as main song] “. Note the acting / face expressions of Madhubala as the song proceeds .

229 Hans December 20, 2014 at 1:30 am

Ak,
Bibbo gave music in 1934, so she is clearly the Ist, but how can we decide who was second unless we know the release dates of films. Because in 1935 there were three female MDs who gave music in their 1st films. Saraswati Devi (Jawani Ki Hawa), Jaddan Bai (Misra Ka Sitara) and Munni Bai (Talash-e-Haq jointly with a male MD) gave music in films released in 1935. Saraswati Devi is well known because she gave music in many films across the 30s, and 40s and great music too.

230 Hans December 20, 2014 at 2:45 am

In all this rush of posts nobody seems to have noticed the unique wordless duet posted by Venkatramanji in comment 186. This is a special rarity because it is romantic song (that too suhagraat song) picturised on Balraj Sahni. He was the one actor who got very few songs even in films in which he was the lead actor. Even in Bindiya the song ‘main apne aap se ghabra gaya hoon’ is picturised on him but is a background song.

Recently I was looking at Punar Milan songs composed by C. Arjun. There I found a duet which is not even in the HFGK list. This is picturised on Balraj Sahni and Leela Chitnis (again as background song) and sung by Pradeep (who sings starting lines) and then Kamal Barot goes solo. The song is ‘ye mujhko kya hua hai’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AH5UmkZZkk

231 Hans December 20, 2014 at 3:00 am

Arvind,
Great discovery. I scanned through the film available on youtube and there is only one version in the film. Perhaps they recorded two versions for two situations and only one was used. The version used in the film has its own charm. This is like the Pyase Panchhi song by Mukesh which was posted by somebody recently. It has a second version with different wording which comes in the end of the film.

232 Arunkumar Deshmukh December 20, 2014 at 7:56 am

Hans ji,

Ref comment no. 229….

I think there is some kind of a mix up with names and MDs.
Jaddanbai had given music to Talash-e- Haq-1935.
Damodar Sharma was the MD for ‘ Misr ka Sitara’-1935. Munni Bai was an actress. After the music work was almost over,Damodar sharma left the film. The songs which munni bai had to sing were tuned by herself. Rest all songs were already done by Sharma. She has not done any other work for film’s music. She had no history of composing music nor did she do it again any time, on record,atleast.
I think ,based on record numbers issued those days,it must have been recorded that jaddanbai’s film was the earlier one than ‘ jawani ki hawa’.
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233 arvind December 20, 2014 at 11:25 am

#231
Hansji,
some comments under the uploads hinted the lyrics (of the song….aao shama bujhake ham aaj dil jalayen….) ,possibly, running into trouble with the censors !!!!!!!!!……….

234 arvind December 20, 2014 at 11:36 am

# 185,
venkatramanji;
# 195,
mumbaikar8 ji :
thanks for introducing to the lovely mukesh madhubala jhaveri song from ‘khyber’ (1954).

235 ksbhatia December 20, 2014 at 11:51 pm

Hans’ji; It will be worth knowing as to who sang less songs on screen — Balraj sahni or Ashok kumar ?

236 ksbhatia December 21, 2014 at 3:25 pm

In continuation of ” One liner by other singer ” catg. here is one more such song by Lataji from Black Cat …… ” Main tumhee se puchhti hun mujhe tum se pyar kyun hai ” . Before the main song there is one liner by Lata and Rafi .

237 Hans December 22, 2014 at 4:40 pm

Arunji,
Thanks for pointing out the mix-up between Jaddanbai and Munnibai and also for other additional information.

But, Munnibai was not the only MD who gave music in one film only. Almost half of the MDs who gave music in 30s and 40s, were one film wonders.

Deciding which MD gave music on the basis of record numbers appears to me a faulty procedure. Because, in the 30s there were a number of films for which no records were issued due to the fact that music companies were not interested. Also in many cases records were issued very late, even after passage of 3-4 years from the date of release. I hope you agree to my viewpoint on this.

238 Hans December 22, 2014 at 4:43 pm

Arvind (no 233)
Comments on the youtube range from the wisest to the wildest. There is nothing in the version of song which was not used to warrant attention of the censor authorities.

239 Hans December 22, 2014 at 5:19 pm

Bhatiaji,
Songs on Ashok Kumar and Balraj Sahni is a good subject for research. But, for this purpose we would have to exclude the songs in which Ashok Kumar was a singing star, because in that scenario he would far outnumber Balraj Sahni.

But, I would give here two songs each of the two actors which are unique in their own respect. Ashok first. We have seen actors are shown talking to their inner self when they are in some dilemma. In this song from Ek Saal (sab kuchh luta ke hosh men by Talat), Ashok Kumar is silent and his inner self sings the songs teasing him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9LDWNlNzLk

The second song is ‘phooon ke haar le lo’ which Ashok sings disguised as a florist to solve a murder mystery in the film Inspector.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8wzqN0TdiU

Now, two sharabi songs picturised on Balraj Sahni. ‘Haan bura kiya hai huzoor maine’ from Dil Bhi Tera Hum Bhi Tere and ‘maine pee sharab’ from Naya Rasta.
1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OFP4S9zEps
2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJDnDyDAUSY
The common thing in these two songs is that Balraj Sahni, who is considered a great actor is seen as quite deficient in playing a drunkard though the songs were picturised 10 years apart.

One thing about ‘main tumhin se poochhti hoon’. Mumbaikar8 mentioned this song in comment 151.

240 AK December 22, 2014 at 7:50 pm

Hans,
You have added some very interesting songs picturised on Ashok Kumar and Balraj Sahni (#239), and Pradeep-Kamal Barot song (#230). Thanks a lot.

About Ashok Kumar’s singing (#223), regardless of whether he could ‘sing’, he is one of my great favourites from the vintage era. He would himself mock his singing ability quite openly. Therefore, KK’s comments we can take as good fun.

241 Arunkumar Deshmukh December 22, 2014 at 10:08 pm

Hans ji,
Ref comment no.
I entirely agree with you about the Records and a count based on them point.
The more appropriate way would be to see which film was released first.
Shri Harmandir Singh Hamraz ji must be having some details,since each entry in HFGK is based on its censor certificate date. Thus ,this again is a question mark,because censored does not mean released,as we all know.
I will go into this indepth and may be I can come back with something substantial,hopefully.
The kind of probing we are doing here can lead to some results,I hope.
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242 Arunkumar Deshmukh December 22, 2014 at 10:08 pm

sorry,comment no. in refernce is 237.
Regret slip.

243 Arunkumar Deshmukh December 22, 2014 at 10:35 pm

Hans ji,

I found an extract from a book…
It was in an article by Arup Rai,on RMIM dated 7-12-95

“Regarding Saraswati Devi, she may have lost the first-female-Hindi-MD
title. Jaddan Bai (actress, singer, director and composer) gets that spot.
I forget the names of movies, but they would just have to be productions like
TALAASH-E-HAQ. These were also movies where the good mother was promoting her
own daughter, Baby Fatima Abdul Rashid. There were a few movies in this
period by Jaddan Bai. Another piece of mindless trivia. Jaddan Bai married
Uttamchand Mohanchand, a Bombay businessman who also decided to go by the name
Abdul Rashid. It is not surprising that his only daughter also had two names
(Fatima Rashid and Tejeshwari Mohan(chand)). The name that really stuck was
Nargis, a 6-letter N_ label that Mehboob Khan deemed auspicious for his
leading ladies. Mehboob applied this belief a second time when he
rechristened Farhaat Ezekiel as Nadira.

Enough of that distraction. Author and newsman T.J.S. George does a grand
job of describing THE LIFE AND TIMES OF NARGIS. I strongly recommend the
book. ”

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244 ksbhatia December 23, 2014 at 12:18 am

Hans’ji ; Thanks for the information and uploading of some balraj sahni and Ashok kumar songs . I think both the actors got some songs which were picturised as background songs and they rarely sang as forefront . As you said the subject is very interesting and pandora on the same is open for every one to contribute. For Balraj sahni I can easily quote his famous songs [ In background and as screen singer ]…..1 . Chal udhja re panchi. 2 . Waqt se din aur raat 3. Oh meri zohra zami.4. Manjil wohi hai pyar ki rahi badal gaye 5. The first line of Main tumehee se pucchti hun [ Black Cat song, 4.0 version ] . 6 Babul ki duwain lahti ja . For Ashok kumar : 1. Ulajh gaye do naina dekho [ Hemant Lata duet from Ek saal 2. Hamara naam bhi likh lo mohbat karne walon main [ Deedar] 3. Apna hai phir bhi apna [Bhai Bhai] 4. Sharabi ja ja ja [ sang one line ; Bhai Bhai ] .4. Chupa loon dil main yun pyar mera [ Mamta] 5. Dil dhund ta hai sahare sahare . ……… Rest of the songs later on .

245 Hans December 24, 2014 at 2:02 am

AK,
Here is the link to the interview of KK with Lata.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49_XWga_O1k

People can draw their own conclusions after watching the interview. KK is clearly blaming Ashok for many things and that too without context. He is clearly ridiculing Ashok’s singing. I dont know where Ashok mocked his own singing ability. But, even if he did that KK had no business to ridicule him in public and nowhere he says he was doing that in fun. If some elder of my family mentioned his habits in fun, that does not give me the right to make fun of him in public.

I myself listened to a program in which Anoop Kumar mentioned how Ashok employed teachers to teach them singing and how he made efforts to improve their lives. Anoop gave a lot of credit to Ashok for their success.

KK says Ashok discouraged him singing and says Khem Chand Prakash and SDB gave him encouragement. But, who recommended KK to both of them. Though this is the video clip which nobody can deny, this is not the first time KK had made such remarks about Ashok. I have heard KK fans talk about Ashok in very derogatory terms for all the ills of KK career citing KK’s own quotes.

On the other hand Ashok has always spoken highly of KK’s singing abilities in public. If he was critical of KK privately, as an elder, to improve him can this be called discouragement.

246 Hans December 24, 2014 at 2:35 am

Arunji,
Thanks for the prompt response. I am sure you will be able to solve the riddle. I have seen your striving for the authenticity in the case of solving the C. Arjun/Arjun tangle. HFGK has given dates of censor certificates in only two vols (vol III and V), but Hamraazji may be having more details.

One has to be careful to believe what is written in books even. The extract given by you also points to that fact. The person concerned puts his own ideas to the credit of Mehboob Khan. He says Mehboob rechristened Nargis and Nadira because he thought six letter word to be lucky for his leading ladies. Mehboob Khan was an illiterate and even if he thought about a name he would think about it in his own language which was Urdu. But, this person has to fit his own theory in the name of Mehboob Khan. He should have known that he used a number of ladies who had neither names starting with ‘N’ nor their names had six letters with equal success.

There is another very common motivation to propagate some myths as truths at least in films. I call it ‘reverse loyalty syndrome’. For example if a person is fan of Lata, he would make extra efforts to denigerate the MDs or Singers or anybody else which Lata does not like and to praise those she likes. This syndrome has been active in many matters. I am not saying that it was the reason for Jaddanbai being declared the first female MD. But, it is quite possible that a person suffering from this syndrome would suppress the fact even if he knew about Ishrat Sultana.

Sorry for the lengthy note, but I believe in speaking my mind. And frankly, I am inspired by people like you, AK and Venkatramanji, who are putting so much effort for the sake of this site as well as bringing forth various facts about films and music. Due to this reason I also try to research whenever I find time for my own benefit and that of my fellow readers.

247 Hans December 24, 2014 at 2:59 am

Bhatiaji,
You have started listing songs of the two actors in earnest. But, it would perhaps be better if we leave out background songs, because they may be picturised on more than one person. I have an inkling that even after leaving out songs which Ashok himself sung he would win because of his long career and this may even be true if we take only songs after Balraj Sahni became active.

Here are two songs from Sangram (1950) in which music was given by C. Ramchandra.

Wo unka muskurana – Arun Kumar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEQF97_c72A
Ulfat ke jadoo ka dil men – Chitalkar, Lata
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhxk2YqtTUI

248 Hans December 24, 2014 at 3:13 am

And here is Balraj Sahni’s quota of two from film Jawab (1955) – music by Nashad..

So ja re mere rajdulare – singer Talat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbniWHuO1r8
Aaj gham kal khushi – singer Rafi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AJKKa8wTxE

249 ksbhatia December 24, 2014 at 11:53 pm

Hans’ji; You are right . I think we should leave out the background songs and take the entry year of Balraj sahni as the datum for onscreen songs . The radio days songs of Jawab and Sangram posted above are beautiful. Till I explore on related songs I have some thing for all of SOY family; a duet song of Ashok kumar and Mumtaj akhtar from Najma [1943] with music by Rafiq ” nazar kucchh aaj aaisa aa raha hai ” . The heroin in the movie is Veena ; the famous actress of the yester years .

250 Hans December 25, 2014 at 12:19 am

Strange. Birthday of the greatest playback singer and nobody remembers him among so many music lovers. Though he has been declared a peripheral singer to be considered among others by AK, for late 40s and early 50s, yet he sang more songs than all the famous golden era singers combined in the late 40s. He played his part in hits by Naushad, Husnlal-Bhagatram, Hansraj Behl, Shyam Sunder etc. in that period. I remember him with a less heard masterpiece from film Raat Ki Rani (1949), music by Hansraj Behl. The song is ‘jin raton men neend ud jati hai.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1tdu8BDdMo

There are two more songs he sang for occasional MDs.
Ae dil tujhi ko neend na aayi – Shahnaz (1948) – Amirbai Karnataki
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeuMzDJRjRA

Jab baithe-2 dil bhar aaye – Dak Bangla (1947) – Naresh Bhattacharya
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gCgWwxGNHI

251 Hans December 25, 2014 at 12:26 am

Bhatiaji,
Thanks for the appreciation and the beautiful song from Najma. Mumbaikar8 also considers Ashok Kumar’s singing in Najma great. In fact the whole score in that film is great and picturisation of the songs is also superb. AK considers ‘sajan ke naina jadu baan’ the best in the film and I agree too.

252 ksbhatia December 25, 2014 at 4:19 pm

Hans’ ji ; Thanks once again for the three lovely songs of Rafi sahib . The Shahnaz song is superb. As a tribute to this great soul I am recalling three of his filmi and non filmi songs and wish all of us listen to them . 1. Is dil se teri yaad bhulai nahi jaati yeh pyar ki daulat hai lutaai nahi jaati 2 . Bandagi mein mera…… Main na aachha hua bura na hua 3. Is dil ke tukre hazar huaye koi yahan gira koi wahan gira . Mohd rafi sahib is living in our hearts and there is not a single day we miss him . Today is another lovely day ; my family joins me in sending greetings to all of SOY family on the Xmas day . On a happy note let us play Rafi sahib song ” Akele akele kahan ja rahe ho hamehen saath lelo jahan ja rahe ho ” ….. from An evening in paris .

253 arvind December 25, 2014 at 5:02 pm

hansji,
bhatiaji,
sharing a rafi song from the movie sharabi (1964 )
(…mujhe le chalo aaj phir us gali mein….)

http://youtu.be/4lhJPvqXnFY

254 ksbhatia December 25, 2014 at 11:02 pm

Arvindji, Thanks for this vintage song which sweetly taste like vintage wine [ I am a teetotler]. Hearing after a long time . Goes with the likes of ” Jeneh naaj hind pe woh kahan hai ” and ” Mai yeh soach kar ” . All these shows the masterly control [ of Rafi sahib ] over the pathos and sadness hidden in the songs. As an example I am recalling his duet with Aasha ji ” Hum safar saath apna chhod chale ” from akhri dao which I think as ‘ one ‘among the best duets of Rafi/Aasha combo.

255 arvindersharma December 26, 2014 at 6:20 pm

With reference to Hans Ji’s comment (250), its really sad that we tend to forget the anniversaries of the greats ; composers, lyricists, singers and other contributors about whom we discuss and read everyday and their creations have become a part of our lives.
Therefore I took the help of the site, atulsongsaday, where I found a comprehensive list of birth and death anniversaries of film personalities.
A pleasant find was the acknowledgement to Arunkumar Deshmukh Ji, who is a major contributory to this list (No surprises here).
I request the readers to visit the site once in a while for updates.
Taking my cues from the list, I have firstly taken a song by Vintage era composer Gyan Dutt ;
Tum sang akhiyan mila ke Sunehre Din Md Gyan D…: http://youtu.be/a8a8vY0iwlo

The great composer and the man responsible for Lata Mangeshkar becoming a household name, Khemchandra Prakash ;
Ghataa Ghanaghor Ghor More Machaave Shore Khurshi…: http://youtu.be/wK4oF4ibssY

Pandit Husnlal of Husnlal Bhagatram ;
Music By Husnlal Bhagatram (Aansoo 1953): http://youtu.be/vmooeV2iNf0

Music director Vinod ;
Meri barbadiyon par muskurane aa gaya koi. Sabz B…: http://youtu.be/W5E0mh6D95M

The great Sitar maestro Pandit Ravishankar ;
Sanware Sanware – Lata Mangeshkar: http://youtu.be/M3Bk5lpSYis

Song from ‘Goonj Uthi Shehnai’, penned by Bharat Vyas, composed by Vasant Desai and sung by Mohammed Rafi (all have anniversaries in December),
Kehdo Koi Na Kare Yahan Pyaar – Rafi Saheb – Goon…: http://youtu.be/zlKfxVN3XdA

Malika e tarannum Noorjahan with her song with Mohammed Rafi from ‘Jugnu’.
Yahan Badla Wafa ka Bewafai – JUGNU 1947 Mohammad…: http://youtu.be/-fd6kEoCmgo

Finally, Naushad with his all time favorite Mohammed Rafi from ‘Jadoo’.
PYAR KE SAGAR SE NIKLIBY MOHD RAFI,LSHAKEEL,M DNA…: http://youtu.be/IkA2uYieBAU

256 Hans December 27, 2014 at 12:55 am

Arvind,
The song posted by you is wonderful. No music, just the enchanting voice of Rafi and one of the best compositions of Madan Mohan. Rajendra Krishan wrote the lyrics of some wonderful sharabi songs. This film has a lot of them. Perhaps 3 or more versions of ‘sawan ke mahine men’ ‘mujhe le chalo’ and ‘kabhi na kabhi’. This one is less talked about. Rajendra Krishan also penned ‘main kaun hoon – Main Chup Rahungi’ and ‘jitni likhi thi muqaddar men – Nai Roshni’. 1964 was perhaps the year of top sharabi songs. Leader gave us the famous ‘mujhe duniyawalo’. I am posting another sharabi song from 1964 film Dooj Ka Chand penned by Sahir and composed by Roshan. This song in my mind beats all.
Mehfil se uth jane walo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCGBaPTUmT8

Bhatiaji,
You might be a teetotaller, but you cannot escape from becoming a ‘sharabi’ when you listen to the intoxicating (not only sharabi songs) songs of Rafi, each of which is a bottle of wine. 1964 is a treasure trove of Rafi songs. Earlier we discussed 1963 being the year of Ravi. The year 1964 belonged to Madan Mohan, 8 of whose films were released.

257 gaddeswarup December 27, 2014 at 6:08 am

I wonder if there is a feature to put ‘like’ for comments, it may be useful later when quickly browsing through comments; namely those with larger number of likes will get a quicker look. Just a thought.

258 gaddeswarup December 27, 2014 at 6:12 am
259 AK December 27, 2014 at 7:46 pm

Gaddeswarupji,
‘Like’ a comment. There is a technical solution of linking the comments to Facebook (SoY is already on Facebook). But SoY readers would generally not go through FB, but reach SoY directly. It might also dilute its quality. Therefore, I am not making any changes.

You have linked a very interesting sight. Thanks a lot.

260 Hans December 27, 2014 at 9:03 pm

Recently I found a version of ‘jhumka gira re’ by Miss Dulari which I have posted on the article on ‘Jhumka gira re’. I was tempted to make some research in this regard and found Miss Dulari is described as a singer from 30s and 40s. I found this ghazal sung by her. There are some of her ghazals and songs on youtube including a panjabi song. I am posting the link to this ghazal.

Tere ishq ka jisko azaar hoga, wo achha hi kya khak beemar hoga
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9rBya1yrsw

I found another ghazal by her ‘ya ilahi mit na jaye darde dil’. On listening this I immediately remembered Mehmood singing this a few times in Kashmiri accent ‘ya ilahi mit na jandi dadre dil’ in film Arzoo – 1965. Here is the link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhMrriPV43Y

The natural query in my mind was whether she acted and sang in films. I looked for the initial lines of these ghazals in HFGK. I found the first ghazal’s lyrics in 1934 film Anokhi Mohabbat, but Miss Dulari’s name was not there in the list of actors. Nor there are any details regarding songs and singers. The second ghazal’s lyrics were found in the film Billi (1938). But, neither her name was there and the singers of that were others and the lyrics of this song were different after the word darde dil. Pyarelal Santoshi, the lyricist of that film perhaps used the first line of some traditional ghazal sung by Miss Dulari.

But, I found Miss Dulari in the list of actors of some films. Her name is present in the list of actors in Kaala Nag (1934), but the details of singers is not available. Her name is there in Noor Mahal – also from the same year – and details of songs and singers are also available. She has sung 5 songs in that film but none of them was found on youtube.

I have also found a singer by name Ram Dulari in Abla (1941) and a few other films. But, this appears to be some different person.

Now over to Arunji for special comments and identification.

261 Hans December 27, 2014 at 10:46 pm

When I found the Miss Dulari song, I also found a Shamshad Begum version of Inhin logon ne which is also a folk song. The film is Himmat and MD Gobind Ram

Shamshad Begum version of Inhin logon ne 1941
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0QpprJJ1Ig

Shamshad version (Audio) – full song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noc6G2LgPWs

Gobind Ram also composed another version of this song picturised on Yakub for film Aabroo 1943

Yakub version from film Aabroo 1943
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn1C5qYLZrU

There is also part of the old version of Pakeejah picturised in 1956.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0DUX5ig3xY

262 Arunkumar Deshmukh December 28, 2014 at 10:53 am

Hans ji,

Ref your comment no. 261…

“Inhi logon ne” is a tradional song sung by many Indian and Pakistani singers over last 50 years or more.
Kindly visit the following Link,wherein Mr. Sadanand kamath ji has posted an article with lot of information on this song from film Himmat-1941. If you read the subsequent comments-including mine-you will get all possible information and also can see some more VDOs of this song posted by others.
http://atulsongaday.me/2012/07/25/inhi-logon-ne-le-leenha-dupatta-mora/

Now,about your comment no. 260.
Miss Dulari was a silent era singer actress.She started with film ‘ Poona Raided’ 1924,a Historical silent film made by Deccan pictures corpn.Bombay.It was directed by Bhargavram Varerkar (a popular Dramatist of Marathi-more famous as Mama Varerkar) and the cast was Kaiser,Dulari and Vishnupant Pagnis ( who became famous after doing the role of Tukaram in Prabhat’s Sant Tukaram-48 a dubbed film from original Marathi film made in the early 40s.). She did 12 silent films and entered Talkie films most reluctantly,as by that time she was established as a classical singer specialising in Ghazals and Thumris. After a few films,she gave up on acting and did only mehfils.
Actress Ramdulari was also a singer.She entered films with ‘Modern Lady’-1937 and did just 7 films,the last film being ‘Manchali’-1943.
Hope this information is useful to you.
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263 gaddeswarup December 28, 2014 at 2:18 pm

Somewhat vague query. I remember a song I heard in Bombay early 70’s from 78 RPM with a friend (who passed away in the nineties) who was visiting from Andhra. He was very fascinated by the song and I remember only one line from the song ‘chit chor kaha’. Does anybody remember any song with such a line.

264 AK December 28, 2014 at 7:51 pm

Gaddeswarupji,
Could it be O duniya ke rahnewale bata kahan gaya chitchor from Dil Ki Rani (1947), composed by SD Burman. This was sung by Raj Kapoor for himself, probably his only song in films.

265 gaddeswarup December 29, 2014 at 4:37 am

AKJi, The song is new to me but it is not the one though of similar vintage. I was too optimistic. But once before it worked. When I first arrived in Bombay in 1949, I enquired about a sonn which was haunting me for several years of which I remembered only one line. It was ‘jindagi denewale sun’. Thanks.

266 PRAVEEN December 29, 2014 at 3:02 pm

Dear AKji and others

Just dropped in to say that you all are doing stellar work. For a person brought up on a diet of old songs, this site is a lifeline. Great to see lots of my favourite songs listed here and being discussed. Even more thrilled to find new songs that I’ve never heard before. Keep up the good work, since I may not have much to contribute, will be a happy reader/ listener. Thanks

267 Arunkumar Deshmukh December 29, 2014 at 4:19 pm

AK ji,

Raj Kapoor also sang ‘ Piya milne naveli jaay re’ in film Jail Yatra-1947,under the baton of MD-Ninu Mujumdar.

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268 gaddeswarup December 29, 2014 at 6:18 pm

Oops. I first arrived in Bombay in 1964 not 1949. Always bad at checking. But it was memorable. It was raining. When I went to the hostel reserved for us ( it was originally for servants of people staying in the Taj), there were some workers living on the ground floor. They were playing on an old record player ‘ barsat mein hums mile tum’. One of my favourite songs.

269 AK December 29, 2014 at 6:34 pm

Praveen,
Welcome to SoY and thanks a lot for your compliments. Hope you keep engaged with SoY.

270 AK December 29, 2014 at 6:35 pm

Arunji,
Thanks a lot for your appreciation.

271 ksbhatia December 29, 2014 at 11:29 pm

SOY family; The year is slowly making way for the new year and hope fully we will have to add more chairs and benches for the new entrants in our nukkad/ adda . We hope to cross triple century [ 300 comments] . So listen to this beautiful number by Rafi sahib from the film ” Ek Saal ” ……. Kiske liyae ruka hai Kiske liye rukegaa Karna hai jo bhi karle Yeh waqt ja raha hai Yeh waqt ja raha hai …… Some one please upload this song for every one to enjoy both Rafi and Ravi’s creation of ‘time piece’ . My computer is malfunctioning on uploads .

272 ksbhatia December 30, 2014 at 12:04 am

Hans’ji ; Thanks for your comments@ 256 . I really see pink when I drink green tea . In ” Ram and Sham ” remember what happened to Dilip sahib when Waheeda ji offered nilgiri tea and the song that followed thereafter ‘ Main huan saaki tu hai sharabi sharaabi ” . This reminds me some of the beautiful songs from ” Main naashe mein hun ” ……..1.. Nazar nazar se ho rahi hai baat pyar ki ,2. Mujh ko yaro maaf karna main nashe main hun . 3 Sajan sang kahe naina lagaye . There was some good song …. Jhanak jhanak tori baaje payaliya …. filmed on Raaj Kumar in “Mere Hazoor ” . Actually sharabi songs in earlier films were picturised either in clubs or in kothas or in shacks [ Helen/ Jayshree T songs followed by fights] . Nothing to beat Kaala Pani ‘s kotha song ” Hum bahe khudi mein tum ko bhulate chaale gaye ” and the melancoly song from Guide ” Din dhal jaye”……..La 1942 m0vie Casablanca .

273 PRAVEEN December 30, 2014 at 8:23 pm

ksbhatia sir : It seems people get extra musical when singing under nasha. My favourite is ‘Mohabbat mein aisi kadam’ from Anarkali with the hiccups for kicks!!

274 ksbhatia December 30, 2014 at 11:42 pm

Praveen’ji ; ” Extra musical when singing under nasha ” ; Very true but not always; listen to Devdas soft song ” Mitwa nahin aye “- the song seems to have sung under the influence of nasha ;but not so. Similarly another song of Devdas ” Kise khabar thi ” again very soft song sang under the influence of nasha . These seems to be exceptions but most of the songs goes by your statement ;like ” Mujh ko yaro maaf karna main nashe main hun ” , ” Zindgi khawab hai ” , Ruk ja o jane wali ruk ja ” , ” Hai hai hai yeh nigahen kar de sharabi jise chahe ” etc.

275 arvind December 31, 2014 at 12:11 am

#256;#272
http://youtu.be/WMSHxAIippU
this kidar sharma penned song(1966), sung by mahesh chander, from the movie ….maikhana…. is about everything.maykhana;saki ;pyala;peenewala……
mahesh chander n his father master chander are well known for their sindhi songs.

http://youtu.be/e2rDaNq47a8
has mahesh chander singing for the movie: yeh to pathron ka shehar hai…………..
and this is rafi singing the same song…………..
http://youtu.be/EytZVCZO8VQ

276 ksbhatia December 31, 2014 at 12:15 am

AK’ji ; Ref comment@202 on honolulu song. I was remembering some old movies of the mid 50s which carried the title like Rangoon , Bangkok , Singapore, Baghdad ,China town etc . Shakti samant and Pacchhi , producer and brother of Om prakash, made Howrah bridge , a crime thriller , and had beautiful songs : Mera naam chin chin chuan , Dekh keh teri najar etc . As the movie was hit Pacchhi came up with another movie : hongkong which had almost similar songs [ O P NAYYAR] like 1 ” Hongkong china meena singapore udgai dil ki chhidiya phur ” 2 ” Dekhti hun jidhar tu hi tu hai udhar ” . The songs picturised on helen and Saroja devi created a little impact and was a box office disaster. I was wondering to know as to how the honolulu song of that era was influential and as contributer to the succses of the movie.

277 ksbhatia December 31, 2014 at 12:33 am

Arvind ji ; Thanks for the uploads , the songs by mahesh chander is not less than any other gazal singers. Rafi sahib of course is master in any field . And Usha khanna did gave her very best ; overall a very refined classic touch .

278 mumbaikar8 January 1, 2015 at 7:04 am

HAPPY NEW YEAR to one and all.

279 AK January 1, 2015 at 11:04 am

Mumbaikar8,
Thanks a lot and wishing you the same.

280 Hans January 1, 2015 at 11:19 pm

Wishing all SOY family a very happy new year.

281 AK January 1, 2015 at 11:45 pm

Hans,
Reciprocating the same.

282 ksbhatia January 9, 2015 at 11:57 pm

SOY family, Today is birthday of one among the great singers of bollywood that entered in the golden era and that is Mohinder kapoor . Having given so much and contributing his best to the bollywood MDs , he shall ever be remembered for his songs with Ravi , Madan mohan and others . I, being his regular listener , offer my fav to SOY family …..” Dhoonden tujko nain deewane aja aja re ”…….from ‘ jab yaad kiisi ki aati hai ‘ . With this yaad my best wishes to his family .

283 Hans January 10, 2015 at 1:34 am

Bhatiaji,
Thanks for reminding about Mahendra Kapoor. He and Ravi were both favourites of BR Chopra and that is the reason of their association, otherwise Ravi mostly used Rafi. Another film-maker who liked Kapoor was Manoj Kumar, though in the end he used Mukesh in the 70s till his death. Perhaps the MD who used him most was Kalyanji-Anandji who gave him more than 100 songs. OPN also used him quite a lot. Kapoor sang almost all types of songs efficiently. Since you mentioned Madan Mohan, I am posting a comical song from film Anpadh ‘sikandar ne porus se ki thi ladai’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0xBa8kr7TI

284 ksbhatia January 10, 2015 at 11:33 pm

Hans’ji; thanks for the comic uploads. Film Anpadh itself was very emotional and carried very beautiful gazals and sad songs . This song and Om prakash comedy worked as ‘ break in narration ‘ .

285 arvindersharma January 12, 2015 at 5:48 pm

AK Ji,
Two more songs, where one singer totally dominates.
First by Rafi and Lata from ‘Meena Bazaar’, music Husnlal Bhagatram, where Rafi is the main singer and lata hums along wordlessly.
Duniya hai barbad dil ki Meena Bazaar Md Husan…: http://youtu.be/MEq4YsSAaPs
The second is by Geeta Dutt and Rafi from ‘Shrimati 420’, music O P Naiyyar.
In this song, the chirpy Geeta Dutt sings the song with Rafi playing the secondary role, saying achha, wah wah etc.
Arvind Ji,
I too like the singing of Mahesh Chandler. Its a pity that such a velvety voice was not used to its full potential.

286 arvindersharma January 12, 2015 at 5:51 pm

I forgot to add the Geeta Dutt/Rafi song.
Here it is
Geeta Dutt, Mohd Rafi : Humko chhod ke kahan jaao…: http://youtu.be/9Ozmvi4S9r8

287 ksbhatia January 15, 2015 at 10:57 pm

Arvindersharma’ji , Fantastic songs and beautiful examples of ” Main singer singing along with other great singer – in a mini/ micro role .” Here is one more one repeated liner supportive role to the main singer song sung by Mohandra kapoor supported by Krishna kalle ” Mere sarkar meri ahoan ka asar dekh liya ” from Shikar .

288 Jignesh Kotadia January 16, 2015 at 1:21 pm

H@@@@@@@ppppppppy Birthday Nayyar saab

your immortal masterpieces do still mesmerize us

Haseeno tumhari jo pooja kare
Usi ko hi duniya me jannat mile
Na dekha ho jisne khuda ko kabhi
Khuda ki kasam wo tumhe dekh le
Tumhi se hai jannat tumhi se khuda
Namoona ho kudrat ki kaarigari ka

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1gku7SgGsQ

289 AK January 16, 2015 at 4:33 pm

I too pay my respects on OPN’s birth anniversary. Some of Rafi’s most iconic songs were composed by him.

290 ksbhatia January 16, 2015 at 5:11 pm

I offer my Sweet remembrance to the great melody maker on his birth anniversary . Looked very handsome even in his later years ; with ‘ hat on’ . Hats off to his contribution to the film industry . Only yesterday I was listening to Sheshadri’s instrumental [ piano acco.] tune of O P Nayyar’s first movie ‘Aasman ‘ [ ? ] song ” POM POM POM ” whose Piano accordion interlude piece was the signature tune for ‘ Binaca geet mala ‘ played some time during 1952- 1955 . Once again respectful remembrance to the singer star maker .

291 N.Venkataraman January 17, 2015 at 12:28 pm

Let me too pay my tributes to O P Nayyar on his birth anniversary. Aasman (1949) had some wonderful songs. I am posting the song mentioned by Bhatia’ji.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PovD-ZkFr7c

292 N.Venkataraman January 17, 2015 at 12:31 pm

Sorry, the year should be 1952 and not 1949.

293 ksbhatia January 18, 2015 at 12:10 am

SOY family ; Can someone tell me as to whether Dev anand ever acted in a movie with Naushad as its MD ? I faintly remember there was one but I have forgotten its name .

294 Hans January 18, 2015 at 1:48 am

Bhatiaji,
To my knowledge Naushad never composed for a film in which Dev Anand acted.

Jignesh, (ref your poetry in comment 288)
But, Pradeep Kumar here is telling us something different.
Haseenon se to bas sahab – Ustadon Ke Ustaad – MD Ravi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Js4Y1ZOYxoQ

But, you are right that this second avtar of duet king (first was CR) mesmerised us. He ruled the music world on the strength of his duets. As CR composed solos for Lata OPN composed solos for Asha. Rafi’s songs composed by him contained only about 23% solos. I am posting a Rafi solo which is otherwise known as a duet because a combo of this solo and part 2 of the song (a duet) was mostly played on radio.
Gareeb jaan ke from Chhoo Mantar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8uVLolFt2U

295 Jignesh Kotadia January 21, 2015 at 1:51 am

Hansji,
nice song
pradeep kumar chooses to stay away from beauty, mehmood opts to worship the beauty, shammi kapoor arrogantly teases the beauty ( haseen ho tum khuda nahi ho, tumhara sajda nahi karenge,,, badtameez,,,sj,,,1966) but Surendra knows the fact…no any man can rescue himself from the flames of beauty and ultimately his incineration is inevitable ( Shama dikhakar husn ke jalwe bana de jab diwana, jale na kyun parwana,,,,,,anokhi ada,,,naushad,,1948). 🙂

296 ksbhatia January 22, 2015 at 5:12 pm

Lately I was browsing thru songs which were dominated by Chorus [ a little heavy ]; with little support from the main singer and with theme as ‘Sipahi ‘ . I could find a few of them and wish to know more from our worthy SOY family members. The songs are : 1. Jane wale sipahi se poocho woh kahan ja raha hai [ Usne kaha tha ] . 2 Nacho gao nacho …….aya mangal tuhaar leke khushiyan hazar [ Amrapali ] . 3 . Vande matram [Anand maath ] 4 . Chale sipahi dhool uddate [ Rajhath] .

297 maheshmamadapur January 24, 2015 at 2:10 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swjYgE_k8Gs

Jhuke Jo Tere Naina…….. from Kangan 1971 under KA.

Mahendra Kapoor as main singer and Usha Khanna humming with no words. ( Quite a melodious song considering that it is from 70’s when lot of “noise” had crept in songs)

( I am not sure if anyone has posted this song earlier )

298 ksbhatia January 25, 2015 at 5:52 pm

Mahesh’ji; Reference to Usha khanna reminds me of her very beautiful and sweet song ” Dhire chalo more saiyan rahein pyar ki dil deewana ” by Lataji from Flat no 9 , a 1960 movie . Some of her tunes of 60’s and 70’s were very close to the likes of SJ and OP . Later on it were between the likes of KA and LP . The song ” Yeh teri sadgi yeh tera baank pun ” by Rafi sahib from ‘ Shabnam ‘ is quite close to SJ’s ” Meri mohabbat paak mohabbat aur jahan ki khaak mohabbat ” from April fool .

299 ksbhatia January 25, 2015 at 6:39 pm

Arvind ‘ji; The wording of the song vide comments @ 233 was truly changed as per censor’s observations . Similar treatment was given to two more songs from Dhool ka phool and Main suhagan hoon . The wording ” Mujhe loot lo mere paas aake ” were changed to ” Mujhe ko mujhi se chheen lo mere paas aake ” . The edited version is quite clear in YT video . In Main suhagan hoon the wording ‘Tan bhi tera man bhi tera’ from the song ” Tu shokh kali main mast pawan ” was removed in the happy version of the song though it was there in the 78 rpm record . There was one more song from ” Preet na jaane reet ” which I am not able to recall now ; will report later on .

300 arvind January 26, 2015 at 1:23 pm

Bhatiaji(#298)
http://youtu.be/SEKdN9sT45Q was composed by usha khanna for the 1974 movie…HAWAS (…’teri galiyon mein na rakhenge kadam’…)
while
http://youtu.be/2dr6EMtPQGY
, also by usha khanna,is from the movie DADA (1979).the song ‘..dil ke tude tukde kar ke..’ won YESUDAS the FILMFARE award for playback singing.

301 Siddharth January 29, 2015 at 9:48 am

Bhatiaji,
Here is the link where Usha Khanna ji talks about her inspiration (check the audio at 1:46:00 onwards) –
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ubfPOLheK4&hd=1

302 ksbhatia January 29, 2015 at 5:10 pm

Sidharthji; Thank you very much for the link on Usha khanna’s interview. I am glad as Usha’ji herself have confirmed my views of her following on the foot steps of SJ. Even KA also confirmed in one of their rightup/interview that producers used to insiste to give music of the like of SJ . Thanks once again.

303 ksbhatia January 29, 2015 at 11:32 pm

SOY family ; Can someone help me in finding songs and other details of the movie of 60’s ” Flight to Assam ” starring Ranjan, Sunder, Maruuti etc. I think the movie was produced by Naresh kumar [ Rajendra kumar’s brother ] but I am not too sure. The heroine probably was Nishi ; again I am not sure .

304 ksbhatia February 2, 2015 at 11:50 pm

Congratulation to Kamini kaushal ‘ji for the Filmfare ‘s Life time achievment award . Known for her superb acting skills in the movies of the late 40s with Dilip kumar , Ashok kumar and later with Shakher in mid 5os . Her most memorable serious and happy go lucky roles were in Nadiya ke paar , Shaheed, Night club, Khazanchi etc . Later on she switched to side roles and appeared again in Manoj’s Shaheed as his mother . I am recalling some of her songs which I liked during my childhood / younger days……. 1 . Aaja bedardi balma koi ro ro pukare , 2. Badnam na hojaye mohabat ka fasana , 3. Talam tol kare rahe pare pare . Once again congratulation to her from the SOY family on this achivement .

305 AK February 3, 2015 at 7:14 am

I too join in conveying my congratulations. Not many leading ladies could make the transition to mother role convincingly.

306 gaddeswarup February 21, 2015 at 3:38 pm

Towards the end, there seems to be a third voice in this song. Whose is it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PC8nf0_jPKw

307 AK February 21, 2015 at 4:35 pm

Gaddeswarupji,
Very nice song. The third voice sounds as Mukesh to me.

308 maheshmamadapur February 21, 2015 at 5:15 pm

AK ji,
There is no record or reference anywhere of Mukesh singing in the debut film of his classmate Roshan. The association started only with the second film of Roshan “Baware Nain.”

Coming to the audio, the famous nasal effect of Mukesh is clearly missing. I don’t think its Mukesh.

309 Hans February 22, 2015 at 1:53 am

Gaddeswarupji’s posers are really great. In this I think both AK and Mahesh are correct. My comment may sound crazy. But, AK is right because the tonal quality of the third voice matches that of Mukesh and Mahesh is also right because there is something missing. I would say that Mahesh’s logic that there is no mention about Mukesh singing in the first film or the absence of famed nasal effect do not clinch the case, because in the early period in some Mukesh songs no such effect is discernible.

My view is that Roshan himself has sung the end lines. Very few people know that Roshan sang in one film Maaldar (1951), the music for which was composed by Satish Bhatia. Roshan sang one solo and three duets with Usha Bhatia. Links for two of the duets are available on youtube. Here they are:

Rota hai mera dil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6_R9OGt5uE

Aji hamari pehli mulaqat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6-I9t6E7zk

The voice in these songs and particularly in the first one matches that of Mukesh and it is quite possible that Roshan was the third singer. It is also logical because nobody would call a singer for one or two lines.

In the end I would thank Gaddeswarupji for posting the song from
Neki aur Badi, which is composed by Roshan in Punjabi Tappa style. This also shows that Roshan was well aware of the Panjabi style from the start. Some people think he copied OPN in ‘khanke to khanke’, which is not true. There is another duet in this film by Rajkumari and Asha ‘ram duhai hai’ in which Asha’s part is sung in English and there is subtle change in the music for both parts of the duet. Roshan was a real class by himself and that he showed even in his first film.

The lyrics of the song posted by Gaddeswarupji are also very funny. They show that lyricists like Kedar Sharma were sons of the soil in real terms. Amirbai asks ‘kyunji scent lagaya hai’ and the reply comes ‘tumko bula laye isko samjhaya hai’. Here he treats ‘scent’ as a messenger. There is another line ‘maine nathni daali hai, tumko nathne ki tarkeeb nikali hai’ which is a so meaningful with country wit in it and is a counter to the first two lines. Kindly let me know if the link between nathni and nathne is not understood and I would explain in the next post.

310 gaddeswarup February 22, 2015 at 4:13 am

HansJi, many thanks for the comprehensive reply. I wondered whether that part was by Roshan since I read somewhere that he was a singer too. I wonder whether somebody can post the meaning of the lyrics. I find the song fascinating and listen to it off and on.

311 gaddeswarup February 22, 2015 at 6:52 am

There is a post by Shri Arunkumar Deshmukh which disagrees with some of the information about singer Roshan above http://www.anmolfankaar.com/features/blog/321-same-name-confusions-part-3.html

312 AK February 22, 2015 at 7:55 pm

Gaddeswarupji, Mahesh, Hans
I should thank Gaddeswarupji again for this wonderful song and posing the question about the third singer, which has led us to some interesting exploration. This has raised more questions than it has answered. I must add my thoughts for the erudite listeners.

1. Besides everything that Hans has said about Kyunji scent lagaya hai, which I endorse, to me the most noticeable part was how Amribai Karnataki stays on in the lower scale, and Feroze Dastur takes off in upper octave by repeating her last hai at the end of a line. The two singers remain in different saptaks. This is beautiful. Feroze Dastur was a trained classical singer of Kirana Gharana.

2. As for the third voice in the song, while this has some resemblance to Mukesh’s tonal quality, I am quite definite that the two songs linked by Hans form Maaldaar have no resemblance to Mukesh. If I have to stretch to find similarity with a well-known singer’s voice, these bear some similarity to early Kishore Kumar in Ziddi (1948) and Rimjhim (1949), both composed by Khemchand Prakash.

3. Presuming it is by ‘Roshan’ as credited, we come back to Arunji’s article at Anmol Fankaar suggesting that it is different from the famous music director Roshan. I submit the ‘evidence’ he has given, i.e, the letter of Giridharilal Vishwakarma referring to his conversation with Usha Bhatia, does not prove the conclusion he has drawn. Usha Bhatia was only recalling (after over 50/60 years?) that Roshan was with them at AIR Delhi. It is also known that the legendary Roshan was also working at AIR Delhi late 40s before he moved to Bombay. It is possible songs for a 1951 film could have been made a couple of years before. Nowhere she says there were two Roshans, and the one who sang with her was different from the famous Roshan. I am not an authority to say definitely either way, I was pointing to the foundation on which Arunji has based his conclusion. I hope he visits us.

313 gaddeswarup February 23, 2015 at 4:19 am

AK Ji,
Your point 3 is exactly what I have been thinking about the issue.
Through by casual browsing of YouTube, I come across these songs some which fascinate me since they seem unusual. Even though I do not understanding the lyrics, I keep listening to them. Here are some more which may be better known.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qglcAY9j7M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9FRMg4x6tI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfRzQZjNOcw

314 Hans February 24, 2015 at 12:11 am

AK,
I was thinking on the same lines as you in point 3. The proof is not conclusive about the singer, though a valid doubt has risen after seeing Arunji’s post. About the voice tone of the singer in Maaldar, I can only say that the voice of less-heard singers appears different when they modulate as per the tune as against well known singers details of whose voice tone get embedded in our memory.

Gaddeswarupji,
The meaning of the lyrics has been given in the article on the song in Atul’s blog. Sudhirji have understood the lyrics correctly. I will also post my view detailed view on this soon.

315 gaddeswarup February 24, 2015 at 5:08 am

HANS ji, THANKS. that is where I first heard the song, I think. Unusual lyrics too.

316 ksbhatia March 4, 2015 at 11:56 pm

Sand, Camel, Alwida, Ruksat……..; Sand is a measure of time and camel walk indicate the slow beats conveying the sadness and slow pace of life . There is a treasure of so many beautiful sad and happy songs [ based on slow camel beats] in the vintage and golden period hindi movies which needs to be explored and compiled . I invite SOY family to contribute their treasure into this box for every one to cherish the melody they carried for so many years . As a starter I wish to contribute some of my fav . such as ……. 1. Alwida jaan e wafa tera nigahe baan khuda – Asha ji [Lala Rukh] 2. Gujra hua zamaana – Lata ji [ Shrin farhad] 3 Chaldiya carvan – Talat [Laila majnu]. 4.Majandaran majandaran, mere watan – Talat [ Rustam sohrab]. 5. Aasman wale teri duniya se ji – talat – lata [ Laila majnu ]. 6. Suna suna hai jahan – Lata [ Aurat]. 7 . Yeh kaisi ajab dastaan ho gayi hai – Suraiya [ Rustam sohrab ]. 8. Aa aja o jane wafa – Lata- hemant [ Shireen farhad] .9. Barbaad e mohabbat ki duaa saath liye ja – Rafi [ Laila majnu – rishi kapoor’s]. 10. Phir tumahri yaad ayee aye sanam – Rafi , manna dey, Sajaad hussain etc [ Rustam sohrab ]……… and so many others. Listener must note that all these melodies have Arabian and Persian touch.

317 Nasreen March 6, 2015 at 12:46 pm

Re your latest article on Holi songs, thanks for these beautiful songs, each one is a gem of its own kind.

There is one from “Phagun” which seems never to be included in any holi program. “Piya sang khelo holi phagun aayo re”. The film Phagun with Waheeda & Dharmendra was a very 70’s type story (why not, it was made in 1973). But somehow makes me nostalgic for the days of yore.

Keep doing the great work you do. Thank You.

Nasreen

318 AK March 6, 2015 at 3:27 pm

Nasreen,
Welcome to SoY and thanks a lot for your appreciation. Piya sang khelun Holi phagun ayo re is a very nice song. But I wanted to include the semi-classical pieces, and some very old film songs.

319 mumbaikar8 March 17, 2015 at 10:56 pm

AK,
Remembering Ghulam Mohamed on his death anniversary with two rare song
Lata in Hoor E Arb. Difficult to believe MD is not Naushad?
Sounds like Bachcan zara yeh zaman hai bura?
Asha and Rafi in Hazar Ratein.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmY1fdSwT1E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGTyHr6Yorw

320 AK March 18, 2015 at 5:33 am

Mumbaikar8,
The second link seems to be of a different song.

There is indeed some similarity. Another discovery to your credit. Hope you are keeping your scores.

Ghulam Mohammad has given such outstanding music independently, though he may not have got big commercial success, that it would be unfair to treat him as as Naushad’s understudy.

321 mumbaikar8 March 18, 2015 at 5:24 pm

AK,
The second link seems fine, its starts after .05 sec.
Once again I have expressed myself incorrectly, ( de mujhko zaban aur:)
I was not treating him as Naushad’s understudy, in fact I meant that this was GM signature music, he was the source of these types of songs when he assisted Naushad.
I feel, that at times, the assistant directors do more than they are credited for.

322 Hans March 18, 2015 at 10:52 pm

Mumbaikar8,
You have floated a good idea. Let us give credit for all the music of CR to Chic Chocolate, for Anil Biswas to Ram Singh, for SDB to N Datta and Jaidev etc.etc.

But you have forgotten to give credit to BD Barve for Hazar Raten and to Ibrahim for Hoor-e-Arab.

323 gaddeswarup March 19, 2015 at 6:49 am

Probably well-known but new to me. All the songs from Darogaji I found were sun by Geeta Dutt, except for a mall voice in one for about 20 seconds. Did Geeta Dutt sing all the songs in Darogaji 1949?

324 mumbaikar8 March 19, 2015 at 6:53 am

Hans,
I will start with this sher “Bebasi JurM Hai, Hosla JurM Hai, Zindagi Teri Har Ek Ada JurM Hai”
Let us start with the particular Hoor e Arab song, when I heard this song I assumed it to be Naushad’s , but it was not.
When I uploaded this song, I honestly wrote what I had felt, but AK thought I was undermining Ghulam Mohammed which I was not, that made me think. I came to the conclusion that possibly Ghulam Mohammed helped him with these type of songs. The Ustad himself had such high opinion for his assistant.
http://kamalp.blogspot.com/2012/12/ghulam-mohammad-in-naushads-words.html#!/2012/12/ghulam-mohammad-in-naushads-words.html
When I say something it is my opinion, it is no patthar ki lakeer I am always open for discussions and suggestions, in fact if someone agrees with me I wonder “Jin baton ko khud nahin samjhe auron ko samjahaya hai”
Now talking about assistant MDs not getting credit, I have always questioned Jaidev’s contribution to SDB particularly after Hum Dono and Mujhe Jeene Do. I cannot think of N. Dutta’s contribution to SDB because his music had Ravi’s flavor.
You know how much I like SDB. I am not discrediting MDs it is to their credit that they pick such talent.
Other assistants whom I think have made great contribution their masters are Dattaram for SJ and LP for KA.
I cannot give any credit B D Barve or Ibrahim because I have not heard their independent work.

325 mumbaikar8 March 19, 2015 at 7:00 am

Please read wondered in place of questioned:)

326 Hans March 20, 2015 at 1:21 am

Mumbaikar8,
I was jesting. But, I see you have a good collection of shers and phrases to fit each occasion. I know your opinions and relation of facts is always honest and we meet on common ground on many points. But, we can be guided by dishonest opinions treating them as truth. MDs are also common people like us and learn from various sources. Naushad might have benefitted from the advice of GM as well as others and also GM might have also benefitted from his long association with Naushad and I am talking about music, because he benefitted immensely in the matter of getting films with Naushad’s help. I am yet to find a person who gives credit to Naushad for GM’s music. Look at the following two songs:

Khel nahin gir gir ke sambhalna – Doli (1947) – Ghulam Mohammad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4qtpDXF3v0
Udan khatole pe ud jaun – Anmol Ghadi (1946) – Naushad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mfd3makK-A

You can argue on behalf of both for the similarities in tune. You can see the refinement in the tune of Naushad and you can also see that GM selected a wrong tune for the lyrics. Naushad hardly made such mistakes. That makes a lot of difference whether you succeed or fail.

Thanks for the link. I found many knew facts. But, such tributes everybody makes and I believe they were honest to a large extent. But, that does not mean the credit for Naushad’s music should be given to GM. There were other assistants also who worked with Naushad.

You said you have no samples of independent work of Ibrahim and Barve. If we believe in the theory which we are discussing, we can hardly claim any song as independent, because the assistant would always spoil the party. I have not found any film with Barve’s work but Ibrahim set the tune to 4 songs in the 1951 film Actor in association with the other MD Aziz Hindi. One song is given below:
Dil tere hizr men beemar hai – GM Durraani
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9E6Y5B1958
This was the film in which Meena Kapoor sang a parody of her own song from Ankhen ‘mori atariya pe bulbul bole’ replacing ‘kaga’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh1h3R91-Lk

Regarding SDB you know N Datta was from Goa and he assisted SDB in Jaal – all songs of which had influence of Goanese music. There are so many other insatances of these and other MDs.

327 Hans March 21, 2015 at 11:34 pm

In continuation of Mumbaikar8’s similar tune post 319 and AK’s post regarding similar tunes and similar lyrics on Naushad/CR/Amirbai article, I am posting two pairs of songs which fall in this category. First there are two songs based on a traditional aarti tune. The first one is perhaps a traditional aarti itself, though in the movie it is credited to Bharat Vyas. May be he wrote it and it became so famous that it acquired the status of traditional aarti, because we dont find old recordings of this aarti or maybe it was there with some different antara. But, the tune perhaps existed because this tune was used by Hans Raj Behl in 1951 film Nakhre also. I am giving links to both the songs.
Ambe tu hai jagdmbe kali – Naratri (1955) – Rafi/Asha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4gcxzC05-E
Koi dil na kisi se lagaye – Nakhre(1951) – Geeta Dutt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuWozx-m4pg

The second song also has similar tune and uses the first line of mukhda with slight modification.
Agar dil kisi par lutaya na hota – Gauna(1950) – Lata
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coBCKH7oBiw
Agar dil kisi se lagaya na hota – Bada Aadmi(1961) – Rafi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mylpUQI7_oo

328 Vandana March 31, 2015 at 4:17 am

Very interesting! How about a list of songs with multiple versions like Dil e nadan? Sung by talat mehmood, suraiya, abida parveen , jagjit singh and ayushmaan khurana? Or patta patta buta buta by mohd rafi and mehdi hasan?
Thanks

329 AK March 31, 2015 at 4:24 pm

Vandana,
Welcome to Songs of Yore and thanks a lot for your appreciation. I do not know whether you have browsed through ‘Multiple Version Songs’ on SoY, which has now 20 posts. Already this theme has been covered under various parameters in great detail. There has to be something more interesting than just similarity of the first lines. If something interesting comes up, which has not been covered yet, I am sure our indefatigable researcher Ashokji would be writing on it.

330 gaddeswarup April 4, 2015 at 3:45 am

I am having a discussion with Richard singer about the person in the song ‘Aag – Raat Ko Jee Chamke Taare – Mukesh – Shamshad Begham’. Richard thinks that he is Raj Kapoor and I do not think so. In the following video, a friend of his appears who looks a bit like Raj Kapoor (he appears in the next part too after the song). I think that it him because his moustache. Can somebody comment? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxQBs8OdXbw

331 gaddeswarup April 4, 2015 at 5:43 am

Pendyala Nageswara Rao I was a famous MD in Telugu films with many original tunes. It seems that he provide music in a couple of dubbed films. The songs do not sound that great with too much Telugu influence. I found a couple, one from Bhagwan Balaji and another from Chakravarti Vikramaditya, both from early sixties. Does anybody know where the other songs are available. His name was spelt P.Nageshwar Rao. Here is one of the songs http://youtu.be/7Z4HzjATW7A

332 Hans April 4, 2015 at 4:59 pm

Gaddeswarupji,
The actor in ‘raat ko jee chamke tare’ is Vishwa Mehra, who was the maternal uncle of Raj Kapoor. His identification can be confirmed from the film Char Dil Char Rahen (1959). Titles of the film show the names of Actors and the characters played by them. Vishwa Mehra played small roles in films, mostly those films in which someone from Kapoor family was in the lead role. He perhaps also played a hand in some way in production of the RK films. Details must be known to Arunji.

333 AK April 4, 2015 at 10:46 pm

Gaddeswarupji,
Extremely beautiful song. Thanks for introducing me to it. One reason is my favourite Raga Bhimpalasi (experts to confirm).

334 Hans April 4, 2015 at 11:48 pm

Gaddeswarupji,
There are two more songs from Chakravarty Vikramaditya on youtube.

O chanda re door na ja re – Suman, Rafi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdWUlLb2yEs
Door huyi deepak se baati – Rafi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFvxd-vmqgY

335 gaddeswarup April 5, 2015 at 2:58 am

AKji, On trips to India, I usually collect film song cassettes and books on music. That song was on one of those cassettes and I was bowled over. Then I could not find it for a few years and later found it on YouTube. I do not know whether the video really adds to the charm of the song. One of the books I found that immensely liked was ‘Raga&Josh’ by Sheila Dhar.
Hansji,many thanks for the information.

336 mumbaikar8 April 11, 2015 at 8:00 pm

Tribute to K. L Saigal on his 111th birth anniversary.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe7O6JmWfJc

337 AK April 11, 2015 at 10:04 pm

Mumbaikar8,
I add my tributes to the greatest actor-singer of our films.

338 Hans April 11, 2015 at 11:14 pm

I am very fond of this non-film ghazal by Akbar Allahabadi ‘duniya men hoon duniya ka talabgar nahin hoon’ for its lyrics and the singing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOrqzg6Ve6M

339 ksbhatia April 18, 2015 at 12:30 am

While looking for good, but not so popular, songs I came across such song by Lata ji ‘ Maane na maane na balam pardesiya ‘ from ‘ Jagir’ with music by Madan mohan. The song is beautiful and testifies the magic touch of Lata / MM combo .

340 Hans April 18, 2015 at 1:14 am

Bhatiaji,
Were you looking only for Lata songs. If you had also looked for Asha in the same film you would have got a mujra by Sheela Vaz in bonus. Here is the Asha song ‘wafaon ke badle jafa kar rahe hain’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbxfIiMoH6M

341 gaddeswarup April 20, 2015 at 4:35 am
342 AK April 20, 2015 at 9:52 am

Gaddeswarupji,
I am by now very familiar with the name of Giridharilal Vishwakarma, thanks to Arunji and Sudhir Kapurji. It would be very exciting if he digitises everything that is said to be there in his collection. On the classical side Vikram Smapat (the biographer of Gauhar Jan) has undertaken a more difficult and dispersed project.

343 mumbaikar8 April 21, 2015 at 1:53 am

Bhatiaji,
I am hijacking your Usha Khanna Shanker Jaikishen discussion back to open house.
Here I have three songs of Usha Khanna Madan Mohan and Shanker Jaikishen, all inspired by rock n roll.
Just see how similar they are, you can start singing with first and unintentionally move over to second and third.

Lets us start with Shankar Jaikishen in EK phool char kante,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkW8kJpYp98

Madan Mohan in Baap bete,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LY5_CXFpVlI

and finally Usha Khanna in dil deke dekho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xvfzi_J6FNw

344 gaddeswarup April 21, 2015 at 7:02 am

Interesting paper. May be there is more literature on the topic. “Shri 420 is an unusual melodrama in the way it directly thematizes upon the
aspects of capital regulation that underpin the production context of
melodrama in post-War Bombay. I want to use the film to explore the career
of what I shall call indigenous capital.” says Ashish Rajadhyaksha in
http://www.jmionline.org/…/the_curious_case_of_bombays_hind…

345 ksbhatia April 21, 2015 at 10:58 pm

Mumbaiker8; @ 343, Amazing! All three in the same musical mode . And all based on the 1957 hit ” Please stand by me diana ” by Paul anka ! The three movies were made between 1959 – 61 when the music as well as fashion were in the changing mode from classic to modern .During this period Rock and roll was becoming popular ; which again was a change from classy of Gene Keley to Elves Presley in Holliwood and from Raj kapoor of Anari to Shammi kapoor of Dil Deke Dekho . SJ followed this trend and came up with good numbers like …. ‘ Jan pehchan ho jeena aasan ho ‘ from Gumnam , ‘ Dekho ab to kis ko nahin hai khabar’ from Janwar . In between SJ gave some good instrumental numbers as club background music also . Incedently the club music piece of ‘ Love Marriage’ is almost same as that of Gumnam’s club music . Recalling Rock and roll there is one good number by Rafi ‘Lal lal gaal jaan pe hai babu’ from Mr X with music by N Dutta . I faintly remember one more ‘ Taalam tole kare ‘ with Kaamini kaushal dancing in the movie [ ?] with music by Madan mohan . After rock ‘n’ roll vanishing SJ built songs from their fav beats i.e. Waltz . I will change over to this subject ‘as times goes by’ .

346 ksbhatia April 21, 2015 at 11:29 pm

Hans ji; #340, You have very coolly passed on a mujra dance number shaking my memories of the 50s when Sheela vaz was practically ruling the most of the dance numbers ; be it duets or chorus; fore front or in the back row . As a counter I am giving you double bonus with Yester years beautiful Shyama and Sheela vaz dancing in western outfits in the duet song number by Geeta- Aasha ‘ Thandi thandi hawa puchhe huska patta ‘ from Johny walker with lilting music by O P Nayyar . Note the excellent violin- Acordeone combo musical treat . Shyama is looking gorgeous and very well looks like Holliwood singing star of the 50s — Patti Page …. Why not listen to her song on YT titled ‘ The Tennessee Waltz ‘. Sorry I am unable to down load all these songs as my computer has not been set for that .

347 Satish April 28, 2015 at 10:43 pm

Dear AK ji, Subhodh ji, In the list of forgotten composers, would request you to include 1 talented but under-rated composer Sajjad Hussein, who composed some of rare/unusual and beautiful songs. Of course “Ye Hawa Ye Raat Ye Chandni” by Talat mohd is 1 of them, but another one, my Favourite is “Kaali Kaali Raat Ye Bada Sataaye from Sainyan in 1951”. He was also an excellent Mandolin player ..pls refer “www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtkHzdEgIyM”

348 AK April 29, 2015 at 9:15 am

Satish,
If you look at my list of ‘Forgotten Composers’ on the sidebar at the left, they are a very specific category, who were active in 50s and 60s, and who gave some immensely popular and everlasting songs, and nothing much is known about them. Sajjad is a recognised genius, widely written about for his music and for his famous temper and ascerbic tongue. It will be demeaning to put him in 50s”Forgotten” category.

349 ksbhatia April 29, 2015 at 11:30 pm

Satish’ji; Forgotten songs of the forgotten composers are the real gems hidden and well protected in AK’ji s treasured informative articles as indicated on the side bar. Go thru each, one by one and enjoy the richness of the great melodies of the for gotten era . Just now I was listening to Geeta dutt’s old melodious song from 1958 film Savera ‘ Maane na maane na maane na , tere bin mora jiya na maane ‘ with music by forgotten MD Sailesh . I am in a mode of finding more .

Listening to such songs in the evening or night is like prelude to a good night sleep . Remembering them is like giving respect to them .

350 Hans April 30, 2015 at 12:29 am

Bhatiaji, (346)
You are right. Sheela Vaz though plump, always illuminated the screen.

The method of providing links of the songs here is 1)take the mouse pointer on the song link 2)right click on the link 3)select copy link location from various options 4)take the mouse to where you want the link 5)right click and then left click on the option of paste. The link will be pasted.

351 gaddeswarup April 30, 2015 at 4:03 am

I received ‘Encyclopedia of Telugu Cinema (1932-2000)’ by Dr. Vutukuri Venkata Satyanarayana. It was completed by him recently and not yet published. He kindly said that I can forward it to my friends. If anybody is interested, please let me know at anandaswarupg@gmail.com I already forwarded a the pdf file to Shri Arunkumar Deshmukh

352 mumbaikar8 April 30, 2015 at 7:29 pm

Bhatiaji,

I would like to share my prelude to goodnight sleep with you.
Phali hui hai sapnon ki bhane from House No. 44

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lxf-n4eMkHw

And also my morning alarm ringtone
Jaag dile diwana from Oonche Log

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDOwVaY-9UM

353 ksbhatia May 1, 2015 at 12:12 am

Hans’ji , Thank you for the computer lesson . As a follow up I will try to send the song …… Maane na maane na maane na …..from Savera .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6y41qF3qU0

Hey I got it ! Thanks again. Another one for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6qpIY3x2LM

354 Hans May 1, 2015 at 12:26 am

Gaddeswarup ji,
Can you tell me what is the language of this book of Telugu Encyclopedia.

355 ksbhatia May 1, 2015 at 12:29 am

Mumbaikar8,

This has turned out to be a good subject . I think every SOY member must be listening to some good / happy song before retiring to a good sleep , be it night or during lunch or during mid day nap . It will be a good idea to share such songs on and off as the time suits .

As a starter I am posting a very beautiful song by Lata ji

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I40I7wRYOJo

Mumbaikar8, Your lata’s song is also one of my fav. song

356 Hans May 1, 2015 at 12:37 am

Mumbaikar8,
Do you wake up or sleep again when you listen ‘jaag dile deewana’. I just feel intoxicated when I listen this.

Bhatia ji,
I told you how to put up a link for the benefit of us readers, because you mention so many songs which we had to search on our own on youtube. Now our task would be easier. Thanks and congrats for the first links. I had listened the Johny Walker song a few times but never saw its video. I could not have visualised Sheela Vaz in the song. Sheela Vaz perhaps did not produce classical dances, but she tried different movements in her different dances.

357 gaddeswarup May 1, 2015 at 9:17 am

Hansji,
It is in English over 4800 pages. Vutukuri spent over twenty years doing it alone. Probably he had a boring job. He has a Ph.d. In physics I think but in countries like Australia it is not so easy for Indians to get good jobs. He retired early. Some Telugu people I sent have started taking interest. It is possible that there may be corrections because earlier he was doing it alone.

358 gaddeswarup May 1, 2015 at 9:21 am

From a comment on my wall, there is an annotated archive for Indian a Cinema. I saw Kalpana from this source which was very good. It may be well known to people here. https://indiancine.ma

359 arvindersharma May 1, 2015 at 10:01 am

My congratulations to Bhatia Ji for quickly absorbing Hans Ji’s tutorial.
May ka ‘Savera’ aur ‘thandi thandi hawa’.
Nice picks, Bhatia Ji.

360 arvind May 1, 2015 at 1:35 pm

remembering manna dey on on his b’day with :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmkHhmw8V5E
(a song from the moovie boot polish (with asha bhosle ).
and a non film song :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAjLUHuAkEY
(meri bhi ek mumtaz thi…)

361 mumbaikar8 May 1, 2015 at 6:39 pm

Hans,
I cannot snooze or dismiss Jaag dile diwana I continue listening , by the time the song is over I get intoxicated too! With positive energy and am up and ready for the day:)

Joining arvind in remembering Manna da on this day, have so many of his songs on my favourite list. What a singer!
Adding two more, one filmy and one non filmy
Har taraf ab yehi afsane hai Hindustan Ki Qasam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaIvy3KiQg4

sawan ki rimjhim me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGsgxFN5eYs

362 Hans May 1, 2015 at 9:22 pm

Here is a song from Manna Dey which was in his specialised field. HFGK gives MD as Ram Ganguly but youtube link says Shankar Rao Vyas. The tune was perhaps used later in some song which is not coming to mind.

Naina lage pee ki ore – Ram Darshan (1950)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5R0H5oCEGw

And another in the style of gurbani. Manna Dey also sang a lot of gurbani. Those interested can listen on youtube, but they will miss the panjabi touch.
Hum maile tum ujjal karte – Nanak Naam Jahaz Hai – S. Mohinder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWJzUsWsQMc

And to remember his contribution as MD one from Chamkee (1952)
Main to jangal ki chanchal hiraniya – Geeta Dutt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLsAdc4r3OY

363 arvindersharma May 1, 2015 at 10:13 pm

Hans Ji,
Please listen to this song from 1: 59 onwards. The mukhda of this song seems to me the one you were not able to recall.
The clipping is a bad audio, but it was the only I could find.
BADNAAM BASTI.mpg: https://youtu.be/49jgo9dcJHw

364 ksbhatia May 2, 2015 at 8:26 pm

Hans ‘ji ; Sheela vaaz may not be a good classical dancer of her times but she proved to be a great asset for the movies for a typical class of audience . Literally known as ‘ pehla pehla pyar’ and ‘ramaiya vastaaviya ‘ girl of her times , got faded away with the likes of Bela bose and others .

Two of her famous songs are

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFqGQ54WT9Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rW72kDrJvwA

365 ksbhatia May 2, 2015 at 9:28 pm

Arvind, Arvinder sharma and Hans ji[s] ;

Thanks for boosting my confidence . Remembring Manna Dey and finding so difficult to choose his best songs . Known for his excellence in romantic duets, sad , classical, comedy etc. I will post few of his solo and duet songs of my liking – as one of his best :
1 Jeevan se lambe hain bandooh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbhwaNm09oY

2 Tu pyar ka saagar hai
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3_0FC43Ub8

3 Nain mele chaain kahan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouIunVC5Gz8

4 Lapak jhapak tu aa re badarwa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDr9g_x2nYk

5 Chham chham lo suno chhum

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xINaQUN3tc

6 Kaal ka pahiya ghoome

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvstFnIufj4

7 Ketki ghulab

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcqmOaQSPDA

8 Sur na saje

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpVvfPKyjLM

9 Kaun aya mere maan ke dwaere

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_vcV7JGKpY

10 Puchho na kaise mainey raain beetaaiye

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=376w1QPz07w

There are so many songs which i think will be fav. of each and every SoY member.

366 ksbhatia May 2, 2015 at 11:09 pm

Ref# 355 My catch of the ‘ prelude ‘ to good night sleep ….

Man mohana bade jhoothe by Lataji from Seema

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXGMxTTB_Dg

367 Hans May 3, 2015 at 7:58 pm

Sharmaji,
The song posted by you (363) has the same tune from 1.59, but I have listened it for the first time. So there is some other song. Some day that would come to mind.

Bhatiaji,
Wah. Hum aapse choke chhake ki umeed kar rahe the par aapne to donon ko milakar pura dassa(10) maar diya.

368 ksbhatia May 3, 2015 at 11:44 pm

Hans’ji ; You have guessed it right ! During my school[ I am Butlarian ] and college days I used to be in Cricket Eleven and enjoyed playing cricket in the company of Test cricketers like Ramesh Saxena , Surendra and Mohinder amarnath, Parth shastri sharma [ of Rajasthan state] and others who made up to the state level player. I used to play as opener or one down and off and on bowled as medium pacer and some time as leg spinner .

So when one see a bouncer coming from my side , he must duck himself to save himself . Anyway that was a fun part , I am posting a song concerning cricket : Rafi and chorus from ‘ Love Marriage’
She ne khela he saye aaj cricket match

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs-S_Y8rGH4

369 ksbhatia May 3, 2015 at 11:54 pm

In cont . of #366 ; My catch of the Lunch time song ; A beautiful rendering by my fav. star of the yester years : Nutan

Ae mere humsafar ; rok apni najar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgTiTy95aLo

370 Hans May 4, 2015 at 1:57 am

Bhatiaji,
You were lucky to have played with such cricketers. The hare and tortoise of Lala Amarnath. The hare took off early, but ultimately Mohinder – the tortoise brought eternal fame to the Lala. Parthasarathy Sharma was known as one of the biggest gaddha(pit – meaning bad fielder) of Indian cricket and was also a run out hazard. His calling and running was so poor that people connected the song ‘humse aaya na gaya tumse bulaya na gaya, fasla 22 gaj ka donon se mitaya na gaya’ with him. I watched his debut test against W Indies in Delhi where he scored 54 and 49(run out). He and Kanitkar were even slower than the old hounds Bedi and Prasanna in the field.

If you were an opener, you must have got the taste of P Sharma’s running, because he was basically an opener too.

371 ksbhatia May 4, 2015 at 11:09 pm

Hans ‘ji ; In one of the Inter University match between Rajasthan and IIT Delhi [ during 1967-68 ] P Sharma was the one who got me out by his beautiful googly . As far as fielding is concerned I suppose that fielders of those days never made efforts to dive and catch the ball to save runs or boundries ; probably to save on the laundry expenses. Test cricketer Ramesh Saxena used to go to Kotla cricket ground by D T C Bus ! One can imagine the Test match fee they used to get .

Here I would like to add a song by Rafi , Aasha and chorus from Boot Polish .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPTmsFITtT0

372 ksbhatia May 5, 2015 at 12:16 am

In continuation of # 369 , Here is prelude song of the good night . This may find favour of AK , Arvinder sharma and Hans [ji’s] .

‘ Zindgi ke safar mein akele thheyy hum ‘ by great Rafi sahib from Nartaki with beautiful lyrics by Shakeel Badayuni and beautiful music by Ravi .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8ReKM-djqU

373 Hans May 5, 2015 at 1:17 am

Bhatiaji,
I have a different view about fielding. Seventy five percent of diving in the deep is for tv consumption. You can reach every reachable ball by anticipation and running hard. The 60s, 70s and first half of 80s have seen the best of close catchers in world cricket history. They dived and came up with balls. Now close catchers dive to drop the ball.

This Nartaki song posted by you is my great favourite. Of the MDs I just adore Ravi and Chitragupta. They were the most simple souls who worked so hard and never worried about propaganda. But, whenever I remember Nartaki I cannot forget to listen the Asha song ‘aaj duniya badi suhani hai’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvJFuK_UYQM

374 Hans May 5, 2015 at 1:23 am

Arunji,
I have a question for you. Is the actress Shanti Mathur in Kaali Ghata (1951) the same Shanti Mathur who sang ‘nanha munna rahi hoon’ and two other solos in the Son Of India.

375 ksbhatia May 6, 2015 at 12:21 am

Hans ji ; The Asha’s song ‘ aaj duniya badi suhani hai ‘ is a fab. song . Nartaki’s songs were all great . you may also like to hear Rafi’s song from Aaj aur kal ‘ Itni hasseen itni jawaan raat kya kareyen’

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aspnHWvms6E

376 ksbhatia May 7, 2015 at 10:21 pm

Here is one of Lata’ji’s rare gem of the mid 50s [ ‘ when melody was queen ‘ ]from ‘ Mirza Sahiban ‘ …… ” Tabiyat theek thi ” with music by forgotten MD Sardul Kwatra .

. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9nTIP1ur0U

377 ksbhatia May 12, 2015 at 12:46 am

Whistle blower in songs; well a sort of . Yes , over the years we have witnessed so many movies where a particular scene or situation in a song commands whistling ;be it funny , romantic or a friendly call etc. We have seen comedy films of Holywood’s greatest comedians ‘ Laurel and Hardy ‘ where in each films Laurel calls his buddy Hardy by ‘ twin whistles ‘ . In bolywood yester years actor Agha used whistles as catalyst to his comic scenes . In life whistling is usually considered some time as Bad , sometime considered as friendly call and sometime romantic etc. { In older times ; in winter ; whistling were used to make little babies pee in WC or even in washbasin .}. In hindi cinema it was mainly used to enhance romantic level of songs followed by dance numbers.

I am listing some of my such fav. songs for SoY family to enjoy, with a request to add more to this list.

1 Sham dhale khidki taale tum seete bajaana
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqfqN0ycALs
2 Nakharewali
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1HHoXBLb4Q
3 Mera naam abdul rehman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgMS5O-CBZQ
4 Main bombai ka babu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCl9IFKsz1E
5 Hum matwaale nau jawan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENC2bbnk-0w
6 Rahi mil gaye rahoan mein
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWLDRMV8S4w
7 Aankhoan mein kya ji
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvELrZM1Rlc
8 Pyar ki kassam hai
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmoDFoAPXjo
9 Yeh kya kar daala tune
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fq2MJUo0KkQ
10 Hum hain rahi pyar ke
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvWPx63CYAQ

There are many such songs ; but I wish to know if such songs were there in vintage era .

378 Ashwin Bhandarkar May 12, 2015 at 12:53 am

The analysis that follows is an edited version of what I had posted last year on a Google Group that I am a member of. Given the erudition and keen insights of those who post to SoY, I will not be surprised if these observations have already been made – and discussed threadbare 🙂 – on this forum before. If this is indeed the case, my apologies to all readers; on the other hand, if this is not the case, then I take great pleasure in presenting the following analysis of two compositions from Sajjad’s oeuvre. So here goes:

It seems like placing the start of a line not at the sam but half-a-matra later (something kind of similar to the ‘ateet’ device in tabla/kathak) by stretching the last word of the previous line, was one of Sajjadsaab’s favourite musical devices. He has used this to great effect, in the following two songs, both of them set to dadra (or aadha-dadra, if you so prefer), and both of them rendered beautifully by Lata:

1. Aaj mere naseeb ne from Huchul (1950)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfTJY_amg3I

Please note

(a) the deliberate stretching of ‘ki’ and the placement of ‘yaad’ to start after 1/2 a matra after the same in the line ‘beete dinon ki yaad ne’ of the sthaayi

(b) the deliberate stretching of the ‘re’ of ‘mere’ and the placement of ‘chain’ in the line ‘dard ne mere chain ko’ in the first antara

(c) the deliberate stretching of the ‘se’ of ‘base’ and the placement of ‘hue’ in the line ‘jisme base hue the woh’ in the second antara

(d) the deliberate stretching of the ‘naa’ and the placement of ‘muraad’ (please excuse my Urdu if it is incorrect) in the line ‘ai mere naamuraad yun’ in the 3rd antara.

2.Woh to chale gaye ae dil from Sungdil (1952)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srZpfK92XEc

Note the placement of ‘mazaa’ in ‘jeene me kya mazaa rahaa’ and the associated elongation of the ‘kya’

Also please note how the 2nd antara starts with the taar shadja and proceeds in waves to the base shadja – sheer genius!

IMO, the song is based on Gaavati but I could be mistaken.

379 Ashwin Bhandarkar May 12, 2015 at 8:16 pm

Great list, Bhatiaji! I would like to add ‘Yeh hawa yeh nadi ka kinaara’ from Ghar Sansaar to the list:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YguGUe6C4Hc

380 mumbaikar8 May 12, 2015 at 10:57 pm

Bhatiaji,
My whistle song is not golden era, I like this one from Fanah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvUhnTA2YVU

381 ksbhatia May 12, 2015 at 11:23 pm

Ashwin Bhandarkar ‘ji; Thanks for uploading this beautiful lilting romantic song 0f the bygone era . The whole song commands the respect of the composer, singers , musicians as well as cinematographer and art directors. When you listen to such songs you are easily carried away to a very sound sleep in the night . This song I will take it as a prelude to my good night sleep .

382 ksbhatia May 12, 2015 at 11:38 pm

Mumbaikar 8 ;

The song of Fanah is good . I think I have to get myself updated as I am yet to cross my musical boundry beyond golden era . When I feel exhausted of listening to golden melodies I switch over to western classic . I am posting one such song of the 50s ‘ Tennessee waltz’ by Patti page .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ek3eCbfqp0

383 ksbhatia May 14, 2015 at 5:53 pm

In continuation of # 377 ; our ventures of songs , with melody support of beautiful ‘ whistle ‘ , digs into five more :

1 Hum panchhi mastane

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAQocao7ccg

2 Jane na nazar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90ooNta8icg

3 Kisi ki muskurahtoan pe ho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69pPYkGiEAQ

4 San san san wo chali hawa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xyEhkwdocQ

5 Sun sun sun zalima

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xyEhkwdocQ

Any one coming up with vintage catag. ?

384 gaddeswarup May 16, 2015 at 12:45 am

Under the category where one singer sings most of the song
http://youtu.be/q-quNeo1q7k

385 gaddeswarup May 18, 2015 at 3:03 pm

This should be somewhere in the series of multiple versions. Original film Jayasimha 1955 and the song a duet of Ravu Balasaraswati Devi and A.P. Komala. MD T.V. Raju
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jgZkx6xTbI
Hindi version Jaisingh 1959. I do not know whether it is a remake or dubbed Song by Lata and Usha Mangeshkar. Same tune but MD Ramesh Naidu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRr4eaOI7Hc&feature=youtu.be

386 ksbhatia May 18, 2015 at 10:55 pm

Gaddeswarup’ji ; Amazing ! There is hardly any difference ! So close ; even the instrumental interludes are very close . I have a song behind my mind whose mukhda is quite close but not the whole song …… ‘ Mera chhota sa dekho yeh sansar hai ‘ by Lataji from old movie Bhai bhai with music by Madan mohan .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjDQy-7rey4

387 arvindersharma May 18, 2015 at 11:28 pm

Bhatia ji,
A beautiful mini post initiated by you befitting to be included in the multiple version songs series, given the number of songs posted by you.
You asked for some vintage songs.
Here is one very popular, perhaps overlooked by you.
This song from Shehnai, sung by Chitalkar and Meena Kapoor, music by C. Ramchandra acquired an iconic status, taking the country by storm.

https://youtu.be/-9a4NEtZDqI

The second one is from ‘Jaali Note’. sung by Rafi and Asha, music by OP Naiyyar.

https://youtu.be/0gz9tZUH82E

The third one is from ‘Shatranj’ sung by Lata and composed by C. Ramchandra.

https://youtu.be/CQhh2g6IKug

388 N Venkataraman May 18, 2015 at 11:47 pm

Gaddeswarup ji,
(ref: comment 385)
You are right. You have mentioned and posted the song ‘manasaina cheli pilupu’ from Jaysimha (1955) and also stated that you are on the look out for the Hindi version of this song rendered by Lata and Usha Mangeshkar. (Multiple Version Songs (18): Hindi-Telugu exchange-comment 5). Great find once agin.As far as I know the Hindi version Jaysingh was dubbed.
With your permission, I am copying your comments and songs and placing them under the appropriate post-Multiple Version Songs (18): Hindi-Telugu exchange. Hope you do not mind. I think AK ji will agree to this.

389 gaddeswarup May 19, 2015 at 4:23 am

ksbhatiaji @361 , it seems to be a common practice those days with dubbed and remade films. I think that some studios had employees who did the change. In some dubbed films, you see a group of 3,4 like V.Sarala, E.Sankara Sastry, Parthsarathy, Kaila etc who are different from the original composers. Sometimes a person more familiar with Hindi will take over. Even in movies simultaneously made in Tamil, Telugu there are same tunes but differement music directors. The credit pts system has not evolved yet. Choreographers sometimes we’re not credited at all

390 gaddeswarup May 19, 2015 at 4:25 am

Venkataramanji at 389, I was not sure whether dubbed, remade films were in different categories and was too lazy to check. Please change it to the appropriate place and the comment here can be deleted.

391 AK May 19, 2015 at 6:20 am

Venkataramanji,
Please go ahead. It belongs there.

392 N.Venkataraman May 19, 2015 at 11:39 am

Bhatia ji
Absolutely true . Thanks for the link.

393 ksbhatia May 20, 2015 at 12:34 am

Arvindersharma’ji @ 387 ; Lovely posting of rare songs. Finding more of vintage songs will be a great fun . I am posting five more songs of Golden era which may be of liking of all .

1. Chori chori ek ishara ho gaya hai…… by Rafi and ashaji

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvrhDY0y73Y

2. kahan ja rahe the……………by Rafi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO1k1fZ-YYY

3. Albelaa main ek dil wala…… by Lataji

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qElobYzsqNE

4. Dekh aasman mein chand muskaraiye … Kishore geeta duet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO281a2vYZA

5 Unse ripi tipi ho gayi ……by Rafi , Geeta dutt and chorus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hgyiqu_pwE

By the way who is Yodling in this song ? Any clue?

394 ksbhatia May 29, 2015 at 11:08 pm

In continuation of #393 ; a few more songs with whistle as concluding postlude and some with prelude :

1. Eit ki duki paan ka eeka ……rafi in Howrah bridge

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8o7tMRI9puU

2. Maang ke saath tumahra…….rafi , asha duet in Naya daur

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBUBPElquj4

3. Yeh sham mastani…………Kishore from Kati patang

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sZg4EUB3IM

To conclude this mini post I am posting whistling march music theme from the famous David Lean’s movie : Bridge on the river kwai

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83bmsluWHZc

395 ksbhatia May 29, 2015 at 11:30 pm

The song no.5 @ 393 be refered to . Yes; the yodlee in the song is done by non other than Rafi sahib . There are two more such songs where Rafi saheb has done yodling . One of such song I am posting here, the second one I am not able to recall .

Gussa fuzool hai hamein…… by Rafi and asha from Repoter raju .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-_bmnUi7CA

396 AK May 30, 2015 at 9:34 am

KS Bhatiaji,
I can’t help commenting that in the yodelling portion Rafi sounds like Kishore Kumar. Probably he was aware of that, and that is why the yodelling part is very fleeting and comes in the middle.

397 ksbhatia May 30, 2015 at 11:28 pm

AKji; Of course Kishore kumar is unbeatable in Yodelling . His style suited Dev Anand, Rajesh Khanna and kishore himself. It is only for the record to register that Rafi sang such songs . I think our other members would also want to know whether Mohindra kapoor or Talat ever sang yodlee songs. Arvinder sharma must be curious; I know.

398 Hans May 31, 2015 at 12:59 am

AK,
Your comment would suggest a presumption that Rafi was the person to decide when and where and for how long he would yoddle. Even if he was the decision maker, then why did he yoddle at all if he had to shield it by keeping it at a safe place so that it is not detected. Yoddling is never a part of singing which is the reason no prominent singer yoddled. Even KK did very little yodeling after he was established as a singer. Earlier he did it because it fitted the persona of the eccentric comic hero he was playing on the screen.

Rafi did that in a few songs just because he was a versatile singer and he would practice different things in case he may be required to do it for some funny character. KK’s yodeling had hardly any variety, he mostly did the same things again and again. See Rafi’s yodling in ‘unse rippi tippi’. Has KK ever been able to do this kind of yoddling. You agree that Rafi did yoddling similar to KK in the song under discussion.

Now, look at this song, ‘main tere dil ki duniya men’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VRL36XlvwA
Geeta sings the song and one Surendra(?) yoddles and quite efficiently. Manna Dey has also yoddled in one or two songs. So what is the big deal. But, KK fans have made it a big deal because they have nothing else in which they can even make him compete with Rafi.

399 AK May 31, 2015 at 3:58 pm

Hans,
In retrospect, I feel my reference to KK was misplaced, but not for the reason you are alluding, but because KK had not yet acquired fame for his yodelling in 1950. You are labouring your point too much. Shall we agree that other singers might have yodelled, KK became associated with it?

400 ksbhatia May 31, 2015 at 11:58 pm

AK, HANS’ji[s],

Here is one more yodlee song by Rafi and Asha’ji from MR Z, a 1959 movie which has music by Manohar Khanna . That makes Rafi’s three yoddling songs till date . More are likely to be added soon .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=No2HARfB2ZI

401 ksbhatia June 2, 2015 at 8:42 pm

….. A word about MD Manohar Khanna . He was lyricist for quite a number of movies of the 50s and wrote quite a number of songs for his daughter Usha Khanna movies of 60s and 70s as well . He was associated with MD Premnath in some of his films . I am not sure weather MD Premnath is same as actor Premnath of yester years . Some one to clarify pl.

402 ksbhatia June 2, 2015 at 11:16 pm

….My prelude song to good night sleep and the one similar to that……

Mohabbat mein aise zamane bhi aaye kabhi ro liye hum kabhi muskuraiye…….by Lata, talat from SAGAI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEGd9d18Lsg

Agar bewafa tujhko pehchaan jaate………..by Rafi from ‘ Raat ke andhere mein’

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjHcT09Kj8E

403 Ashwin Dave June 3, 2015 at 6:57 am

Looking for Jagmohn’s songs

404 AK June 3, 2015 at 3:22 pm

Ashwin Dave,
Welcome to SoY. Jagmohan is my great favourite. Therefore, he has to appear some day, but I can’t promise when.

405 mumbaikar8 June 4, 2015 at 6:36 pm

Bhatiaji, AK,
Hindi songs from Bengali movies! Set the ball rolling in other languages?
Rafi singing in Bengali movie Indrani, sabhi koochh lutakar:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OShV-XNqd3I
Mubarak Begum singing gulzar’s ruke ruke se qadam in Salil Choudhary’s composition in lal Pather:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK-M4uHOf5M

406 AK June 4, 2015 at 11:07 pm

Mumbaikar8,
You were a Bengali in your previous birth!

407 ksbhatia June 5, 2015 at 2:07 pm

Mumbaiker8, AKji, A very interesting and difficult subject; and in fact challenging also. Akji be ready to open your pendora box . Gulzar lyrics being used in bengali film has really bold me . Just now I can recall only tunes which were used in non hindi movies ; such as the one from Dil deke dekho :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A73E93stB9Q

408 AK June 5, 2015 at 4:18 pm

KS Bhataji,
This is a nice one. We have a huge lost of ‘inspired’ songs from Hindi into the regional languages. Our series on Multiple Version Songs has several articles on this theme.

409 Hans June 6, 2015 at 1:57 am

AK (#399)
Can you tell me the reason why you think I am labouring my point too much. In my view, I have not done anything of the sort. It is natural that swimming against the stream is difficult. So a reply to a circulating myth has to be longer. Whatever the reason your statement would have been an insinuation against Rafi if it had went unanswered. You want me to agree with the fact that KK got associated with yodelling. I think my reply is already there. He got so associated with it because of the wish of his fans to compare him with Rafi and they clung to every straw for this purpose. On singing ability KK would find hard even to compete with Mahendra Kapoor. I have much to say but I am keeping it brief. But, can you or anybody else tell me in how many songs KK yodelled post 1971, because 85% of his songs were recorded post 71.

410 AK June 7, 2015 at 1:17 am

Hans,
You are absolutely clear. I think we can close this topic.

411 Kartik June 9, 2015 at 1:28 am

Hi! AK

This is a great site on old Hindi film music but why this site is so biased against R.D. Burman? Not even a single post on him so far! Anil Biswas who seems to be a darling composer of this site regarded R.D. Burman as the greatest all-rounder music director. I hope to see a post on the greatest all-rounder of Hindi film music soon.

Regards!

412 AK June 9, 2015 at 9:12 am

Kartik,
Welcome to SoY, and thanks a lot for your compliments. One reason for the absence of RDB is that this site focuses on the music from 1930s through 60s. He did compose some great music from 1965-69, but his main fame is for his work post-70s. That is why you would not find anything on AR Rahman either.

413 Jignesh Kotadia June 9, 2015 at 11:43 am

What a class discovery Mumbaikar8ji !!!! Sabhi kuchh lutaakar hue hum tumhare.. In a Bengali movie !! Terrific singing by Rafi..intoxicating !! You must post such precious discoveries in a mainstream post and not here in open house. And if possible you should make an article on such Hindi songs from other language movies. Thanks.

414 gaddeswarup June 16, 2015 at 11:19 am

Hemantha Kumar’s birthday and a good write up in upperstall http://upperstall.com/profile/hemanta-mukherjee/

415 Hans June 16, 2015 at 1:51 pm

Gaddeswarupji,
Thanks for remembering Hemant Kumar.

Here is different kind of song from film Lalten (1956), which starts as ‘dil ke hain shehzade hum hai surat bhale mawali ki’. But, the second line of mukhda is quite interesting which shows how popular Geeta Bali was in those days. The second line says ‘khali pocket rakhte hain par photo Geeta Bali ki’. The lyrics were written by Indeevar. Indeevar also wrote lyrics for another funny song ‘dil ka tatto ad jata hain gali dekh ke yaar ki’ (duet by Hemant-Geeta) in the same film.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhHLN_2pVtY

416 gaddeswarup June 16, 2015 at 2:58 pm

Hansji, very nice. I did not see this side of Hemanta Kumar.

417 ksbhatia June 19, 2015 at 12:00 am

Hans’ji; Thanks for the unique forgoton song of Lalten which I am hearing after 40 or 50 years . ‘ Khali pocket’ line was our fav. line during our school days also ; for the obvious reason that our daily allownce at that time was Do Aane. Of course those were enough for us to buy Chhole bhature, samosa and ballu shhaie . Geeta bali was one of our families fav. actress with Albela topping the chart .
I am remembering Hemant kumar’s soul stirring rendering ‘ Ganga aaye kahan se ‘ from Kabuliwala . It is one of the best composition by Salilda as well . And of course beautiful lyrics by Shailendra/ Gulzar ? .

418 ksbhatia June 19, 2015 at 12:06 am

……in continuation
Ganga aaye kahan se …… by Hemant kumar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HNsAq85ju8

419 Ashwin Dave June 19, 2015 at 7:26 am

Where I can find non filmy Hindi songs?

420 gaddeswarup June 19, 2015 at 7:28 am

ksbhatiyaji, Similar first line, I think from an earlier song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThaiTWTvl2Q

421 AK June 19, 2015 at 8:02 am

Ashwin Dave,
If you know the songs you are looking for, type its first line on YouTube’s search option. You would most likely find all the songs you are looking for.

422 ksbhatia June 19, 2015 at 11:41 pm

Gaddeswarup’ji ; The Hemant kumar song posted @ 420 is the original song and its hindi version is ‘ oh beqarar dil , ho chuka hai mujko aansooan se pyar’ by Lataji from the film Kohra. Hemant kumar is the MD of both the movies . Yes ; the starting line of bengali song partially matches the opening line of ‘ ganga aaye kahan se ‘ ., though the music is by Salilda.

423 mumbaikar8 June 20, 2015 at 10:55 pm

Jigensh, # 413
Thanks for the appreciation. Sorry for the delay.

ksbhatiaji, gaddeswarupji,
Missed Hemant Kumar’s birthday.
In continuation…. this soulful song from Khamoshi.
Humne dekhi un aankhon ki mahake khusboon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSRcxoDynJs&list=RDrSRcxoDynJs

424 ksbhatia June 21, 2015 at 12:00 am

Mumbaiker8, Gaddeswarup’ji ,
Thanks for the Lata’s one of the best song for Hemant kumar ‘s music . For us it is one of the Jewel in the crown . As a tribute to Hemant Kumar I am posting one of the great sad duet of Hemant / Lataji’s song . ‘ Chuppa lo dil mein ‘ from Mamta.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXgKgZt9Jik

425 arvind June 21, 2015 at 11:13 pm

joining , though belatedly, gaddeswarupji,hansji,ks bhatiaji,mumbaikar8 in remembering hemanta kumar on his b’day.
https://youtu.be/aAr_Q7qhR1M
(chhup gaya koi re/champakali/lata)
https://youtu.be/69dnqIFfrnE
(kuchh dil ne kaha/anupama/lata)

426 Hans June 22, 2015 at 2:06 am

Gaddeswarupji (#416)
Have you forgotten ‘chandaniya nadiya beech nahaye’ and zara nazaron se keh do ji’.

Bhatiaji (#417)
Your ‘do aane’ brought to mind one rehriwala who parked his rehri in front of our school gate in Rohtak and called out loud ‘moosal se mote kele ek aane ke teen’ during recess time. This was in 1964 or 65. He felt pride in bringing the best bananas in town and would mark a cut on the banana and sprinkle lemon juice and his special masala on it before serving the banana. I still remember his face and the whole hefty frame.

427 gaddeswarup June 22, 2015 at 3:12 am

Hansji (at 426), both new to me. My knowledge of Hindi songs is not wide though I listen them frequently. This site has become a source for many wonderful new songs. The scene in the first is similar to the one in another song. Thanks.

428 ksbhatia June 23, 2015 at 11:50 pm

Looking for some sad melodies of the 50s and found three unbeatable ones in the old movie ‘ Aurat’ . The film had seven or eight songs ; all sung by Lataji and with beautiful lyrics by Hasrat / Shailendra set to great musical melodies by Shanker Jaikishan .

1. Darde jigar thaire jara
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbzvCcjhIPI

2. Soona soona hai jahan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lpAFbOsafM

3. Yeh duniya banai kis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9BiIV_8T2M

The same team also produced another musical hit ‘ Badal’ which also had great songs by Lataji.

429 ksbhatia June 24, 2015 at 12:16 am

……In continuation Three more sad songs from ‘ Badal ‘ by the same team:

1. Do din ke leye mehman yahan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiNRE2_jK8E

2. O anmol pyar bin mol bike

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAF0rIqRRig

3. Rota hai mera dil

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdCY17J-RWQ

430 ksbhatia June 24, 2015 at 12:24 am

……in continuation; after listening to sad songs I will take leave with a happy note : a happy song from Badal as a prelude to a good night sleep

” Unse pyar ho gaya ” by Lataji

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjFt7DjRsY8

431 Hans June 24, 2015 at 1:07 am

Bhatiaji,
‘Soona soona hai jahan’ in comment 428, reminds me the tune of ‘mera dil ye pukare aaja’ from Nagin which came next year. The mood is also similar in both songs.

432 AP June 24, 2015 at 4:21 am

Dear AK and community: do any of you know where to find the full 1938 film “Dharti Mata” directed by Nitin Bose and produced by New Theatres? I cannot find it anywhere. Thank you very much.

433 AK June 24, 2015 at 7:50 am

AP,
Welcome to SoY. I have doubts if that film is available. I guess it is among the New Theatres films that were either destroyed or lost. Pinaki Chakraborty is Director, New Theatres Ltd in Kolkata. I have visited their office with similar interest about their films. I was not very impressed. He has written NT’s history in Bengali, Chalchitrer Itihase New Theatres. It is available online. I don’t think it has been translated into English/Hindi. I could not find their website, I don’t think they have created one. I would let you know their contact details if I am able to find it (I had it until a few years ago).

434 ksbhatia June 26, 2015 at 11:53 pm

…….continuing from comment #27 of Multiple version songs –‘female solo….’.here are two songs based on Waltz :
1. Panchi re o panchhi …..by Asha / Rafi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cozdm0Qqly4

2. Dil ki girhe khol do ….. by Lata and Manna dey from Raat aur din
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5THWnV2Wek

435 ksbhatia June 27, 2015 at 12:31 am

Hansji; Remember the song ” Mera chhota sa dekho yeh sansar hai ” by Lataji from Bhai bhai I had refered to in one of the artcle . I have come across one more song which quite closely resemble as another substitute of the original Tamil song .

Mori chham chham baje payaliya……… Lataji from Ghunghat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ5dlOdaid4

436 Hans June 27, 2015 at 1:48 am

Bhatiaji,
I think the tune is different. But, thanks for reminding the sweet song. Though Ravi composed more songs for Asha, but he also composed a number of gems for Lata also. Ghunghat also had Lata’s ‘lage na mora jiya’.

437 mumbaikar8 June 27, 2015 at 6:25 pm

Bhatiaji,
Beautiful waltz songs you have uploaded,
Dil Ki girah khol do is absolutely wonderful.
Our 1950 list has Naushad popular waltz song from Daastan

Tarari Yaarari

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKoiZEmP6dw
and the ultimate romantic from Pyasa Hum aap ki aankhon mein

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBTcsTd2kF0

438 ksbhatia June 28, 2015 at 12:13 am

Mumbaikar8;
Thanks for liking the songs . Tarari Yaarari is my fav.childhood song . I was very happy to hear humming of the same song by Mohan choti in Chalti ka naam gadi . Hum aap ki ankhoan mein from Pyasa is my all time fav. As you said it is one of the great romantic song .

Here are a few more songs based on Waltz .

1. Zameen pe hame aasman se bhaitha ke giraha to na doge………..from Adalat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZDjQeCXewE

2. Aye dil na mujh se choopa such bataa kya hua ………..from Badal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyEKS2DFap8

3. Bhanware ki gunjan hai mera dil……………from Kal aaj aur kal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aMH-zOmTh8

439 Arunkumar Deshmukh June 28, 2015 at 8:38 pm

ksbhatia ji,
Ref comment No 401

Actor Premnath and Composer Premnath were two different persons.
please read the details in this article-
http://www.anmolfankaar.com/features/blog/319-same-name-confusions-part-2.html
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440 ksbhatia June 28, 2015 at 11:40 pm

Arunkumar deshmukh’ji ; The link is very informative ; thanks for that . Beside clarification on Premnath my doubts on other similar same name artistes have also been cleared .

441 gaddeswarup June 29, 2015 at 12:22 pm

I do not know under what category ‘ Bholi Surat’ from Albela comes. The tune sounds Indian, may be even basesdon some raga, the dance western, a radiant Gitabali and Bhagwan with his shuffle. I am sure it must have been discussed before. http://youtu.be/jHEXI3xHbGA

442 ksbhatia July 1, 2015 at 1:52 pm

Two beautiful songs- big stars- big directors- yet big mistakes . Yes ; here are two songs which has these mistakes .

1. Dukh bhare din beete re bhaiya ……from Mother India .
In this song Nargis and Kum kum sings both shamshad and geeta dutt lines in their respective stanzas and so also Raaj kumar and Rajendra kumar who sings both Rafi and Manna dey in their respective lines :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmAmFTqP3hA
2. Bechain nazr khoi si dagar …………from Yahudi

In this song dancers Helen and Cucoo sings both Lata and Geeta dutt lines:

/www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqgJHfW0ABo

443 ksbhatia July 1, 2015 at 2:28 pm

in continuation…….for…..Bechain dil khoi si nazar……..refer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqgJHfW0ABo

444 ksbhatia July 3, 2015 at 12:08 am

My good night sleep song …….. Kya jawan raat hai baharoan ki ………..by Rafi/ asha ji from Sindbad Alibaba Alladin .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qpuVTuKXZU

445 A . N. GANDHE July 6, 2015 at 1:28 pm

Shailesh Mukharjee was sound recordist with Ameen Sayani in later years. Ameenji has mentioned this in one of volumes of Geetamala ki chhao mein.

446 AK July 6, 2015 at 6:33 pm

AN Gandhe,
Welcome to SoY and thanks a lot for this information.

447 A . N. GANDHE July 7, 2015 at 12:57 pm

I am sorry i thought Songs being discussed are from 51 to 59 and not 1950. All the songs I mentioned are from different years. i think your list of songs of 1950 is very exhaustive.

448 SSW July 7, 2015 at 7:04 pm

Charanjit Singh who was a well known bass guitar player in Hindi film orchestras died yesterday in Bombay.

449 ksbhatia July 9, 2015 at 11:39 pm

My evening music with cowboy snacks and posting one of their best duets ; Lataji / Rafi in Gateway of India ,music Madan mohan :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2Q8B2jLvVM

450 gaddeswarup July 16, 2015 at 7:34 am

Sheila Ramani RIP

451 ksbhatia July 16, 2015 at 11:14 pm

Feeling sad on learning the demise of one of stalwart of the golden era, Sheila ramani , who in her times had appeared in many song and dance numbers of some beautiful movies [ particularly Navketan movies ] . My heart felt condolence to the family .

452 ksbhatia July 17, 2015 at 1:00 pm

…….. in cont…….. Here is one sad song on remembrence of Sheila ramani :
Eid ka din tere bin hai pheeka by Lata/ Rafi from Soni mahiwal .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoHrHZPM7ys

453 A . N. GANDHE July 17, 2015 at 5:05 pm

I think dil jale to jale would have been more apt.

454 A . N. GANDHE July 17, 2015 at 5:24 pm
455 A . N. GANDHE July 17, 2015 at 5:26 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d__GZGpyt9k

well this one of my favorite

456 A . N. GANDHE July 17, 2015 at 5:29 pm
457 gaddeswarup July 18, 2015 at 5:14 am
458 ksbhatia July 22, 2015 at 10:56 pm

My good night sleep song by Lata ji…….. Tum chand ke saath chale aao……from Ashiana , music by Madan mohan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDxrDwaqWx4

459 gaddeswarup July 27, 2015 at 3:53 am
460 BRIJ MADAN July 27, 2015 at 11:31 pm

Given this great piece on Pankaj Mullick, you should also explore the songs of JAGMOHAN, a brilliant and totally underestimated singer in the mid-40’s. Each and every song is a gold mine of exploration, of poetic beauty—-compared to in this day of nonsensical loud music. Its hard to believe he got so left behind.

I am personally interested in a database of Jagmohan and Pankaj Mullick songs that provide the raag of each song. If anyone has that, I would sure appreciate it. Or if I have enough responses I may develop one myself.

And I am interested in same for C.H. Atma, Saigal, Kanan Devi, and all pre-50’s when music was sung and played without any embellishment from technology..

461 AK July 27, 2015 at 11:51 pm

Brij Madan,
Welcome to Songs of Yore. KL Saigal and Pankaj Mullick have been discussed in some measure on this blog. You can click their link on the sidebar on the right under Categories:Singers. You can make out Jagmohan and Kanan Devi are my great favourites, too. There will be posts on them, too, hopefully in not a too distant future. We have some Raga experts, I am sure they would keep your request in mind.

462 BRIJ MADAN July 28, 2015 at 12:48 am

I got some fast comments back but I still see JAGMOHAN very under-represented in this blog

463 AK July 28, 2015 at 5:53 am

Brij Madan,
That’s what I said. Jagmohan will appear in

464 AK July 28, 2015 at 5:55 am

Brij Madan,
That’s what I said. Jagmohan will, hopefully, appear in a not too distant future.

465 BRIJ MADAN July 28, 2015 at 6:17 am

Thanks A.K. I will look forward to the blog

466 Greg Booth July 31, 2015 at 4:05 am

Greetings from New Zealand,
I’m collecting examples of song scenes that are parody medleys in some form (for example the Sri Devi parody in Mr India, the Madhubala-Kishore dream scene in Chalti ka Naam Hai Gaadi, the sangat scene in Hum Saath Saath Hai, even the elevator performance by Kamal Hassan in Ek Duje Ke Liye—although that’s not technically a parody). Since these scenes are discovered by me largely by chance, I ask if anyone knows of any such scenes in films of the 1950s (or earlier). Someone has very kindly pointed out to me the Saigal parody by Kishore Kumar in Bandi (Ek roz hamari bhi daal galegi); but I know of nothing before that (1957).

Thanks,

467 gaddeswarup July 31, 2015 at 4:41 am

Professor Booth, Would this be an example? http://youtu.be/ONhVXPh_kvQ

468 gaddeswarup July 31, 2015 at 4:54 am

There may be some examples here though it is not always clear in which sense parody is used, whether it is a parody of an existing song or just a parody by itself http://atulsongaday.me/category/parody-song/

469 mumbaikar8 July 31, 2015 at 6:54 am

I can think of one from 1950 Chhoti Bhabhi.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQDAlv0ZMNc
I am aware of some in sixties.

470 arvind August 4, 2015 at 6:10 pm

remembering kishore kumar on his b’day .
https://youtu.be/DO2JzkR91V4
(zindagi ke safar mein guzar jaate hain jo maqaam…aap ki kasam/1974/rd burman/anand bakhshi)

471 ksbhatia August 4, 2015 at 11:01 pm

Salute to one of the greatest singer/actor on his birthday . Kishore ; The name itself spell laughing riots on the silver screen . The Kishore ‘s songs touched many heights ; be it sad, be it romantic or be it comic . His yodlling is another catalysis agent for fast numbers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvWPx63CYAQ

Hum hain rahi pyar ke…….from Nau do gyarahan …..is one of my fav. song. I liked his rendering in old classic New delhi as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDZbZ2caxmc

472 Rakesh Ratti Kapoor August 7, 2015 at 3:40 am

I am looking for songs/lyrics of ‘mill mazdoor’, in particularly, ‘Jhoom rahin hain shokhiyan, deeda-e-neembaaz mein…
2. Musibat ka maara, chala ek musafir, yeh kiski lagan mein chala ha raha hai…
Both these so vs have been, at one point in time , rendered by Mukesh (Private Collection?) which I am looking for also.
Rgds.
Rakesh

473 AK August 7, 2015 at 1:09 pm

Rakesh Ratti Kapoor,
The following information is courtesy Sudhir Kapur:

There is no film by the name ‘Mill Mazdoor’. There is a film from 1934 titled ‘The Mill’ which also has an alias name ‘Mazdoor’.

Here is a brief about this film.
http://filmheritagefoundation.co.in/mill-mazdoor-1934-142-mins/

The first song listed belongs to this film- “Jhoom Rahi Hain Shokhiyan”. The second song is not traceable in the Hindi Film Geet Kosh. There is a possibility that there may be an alternate starting line.

Neither of the two songs seem to be available, in the voice of Mukesh. Do you have more information about these ‘private recordings’ by Mukesh?

474 Mahesh August 8, 2015 at 11:22 am

AK ji,
According to one article in “Screen”, Mukesh had recorded 6 private songs in Delhi before he came to Mumbai in 1940.
They are ” Gokul nagari jana, Meri andheri kutiya, Aab tu hai dil gir, Allah mullah dekh zara, Preet ke jeena and Savar yaar.
Apart from these there is one short private recording of Mukesh, sung on the occasion of Raj Kapoor’s daughter’s wedding. This off course is easily available on net.

475 AK August 8, 2015 at 11:56 am

Mahesh,
Thanks for the info. So I take it. his pre-Bombay songs are not available, as of now. Sad.

476 Rakesh Ratti Kapoor August 11, 2015 at 10:46 am

I am in possession of these erecordi gs by Mukesh. But it is going to be a herculian task to dig them out. Let me see what best can be done. Anybody in Delhi has a good spool player? Pl let me know. Rgds.

477 Gulab Shah August 11, 2015 at 11:34 am

My very favorite song of Jagmohan is Meri Ankhen bani Diwani with beaytiful lyric. Muze n sapano se bahalao is his song also I think. Another great one. There was an old LP of Jagmohan songs.

478 Rakesh Ratti Kapoor August 11, 2015 at 12:07 pm

Human Shah ji,
These recordings are definitely available. Check CDF 132147. Jagmohan Sursagar. http://www.saregama.com
Should get what you want. All the best.
Rgds.

479 ksbhatia August 11, 2015 at 11:14 pm

AK’ji;

There is a question which is long lingering in my mind for the so many years and that is……… Where to find the tunes of the great MDs which were composed by them and made their ways to so called Music Banks of the producers ? Are they easily available or have they been passed on to some custodians ? We know some MDs have given beautiful tunes , as background music in some movies; to be later composed as a song in movies [ to follow after certain period of time ] for that producer .

480 AK August 12, 2015 at 9:44 am

KS Bhatiaji,
Probably you are referring to the tunes which were not used in a film, but existed somewhere, either with the MD or the film producer, which may or may not have found their way to a film later. This can be answered only by an insider. I am aware Madman Mohan’s raw tunes of some well known songs have been released.

481 ksbhatia August 17, 2015 at 12:05 am

It was a good weekend to celebrate independence day along with family and friends ; had a good dose of songs for the occasion thru out the day. I was wondering and remembering one song which was beautifully sung by Rafi sahib in Ghera daag , an O P Ralhan movie of the mid 60’s starring Rajendra kumar ……… Aaj udta hua ek panchie zindgi ki baharoan mein aaya……
.This song beautifully conveys the happiness of liberty and freedom after one comes out of the clutches of slavery . Its a pure pleasure to listen to this Rafi and Ravi combo .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1FZRHK94cU

482 mumbaikar8 August 17, 2015 at 1:13 am
483 Anirudh August 28, 2015 at 12:19 pm

Could you please tell me in which raag is this song composed?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zP3dFXqE4Qc

Sada Kannali song from Kaviratna Kalidasa, an old Kannada movie.

I read somewhere that it is Brindavani Sarang. Kindly clear my doubt.

484 gaddeswarup August 28, 2015 at 3:56 pm

Interesting dance and song from Hunterwali ki beti 1943, apparently by Sham Sunder and Ranibala Aaj Aadhi Raat Ko
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llxrkudqbME

485 ksbhatia September 1, 2015 at 12:44 am

SoY family’,
With this month coming to an end , let us welcome the new month and embrace the arrival , in waiting ,of autumn thru September . The first song that comes to my mind is Hollywood’s Come september theme song which was very popular in India during 60’s [ and still cont.to charm] . This dance number was fav.with the Music clubs and was regularly played in restaurants on jukebox . Its fav.of Baaraat dance bands as well .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te7I_ta7Vzc

This theme dance number was beautifully captured in the movie of the 60’s ‘ Ishara ‘ featuring Vyjentimala . joy mukerjee and pran . Refer to movie length from 3.45 to 6.00 .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kXhTjN4UM0

With Autumn knocking I am remembering one of my fav. Nat king Cole number ” Autumn leaves ” as also Shanker Jaikishan’s ” Jaane chaman shola badan ” of Gumnaam , which I think is one of the best version of the original song . I am uploading the original as well as variations :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEMCeymW1Ow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2f0NzCohyY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbpqbCNS7K0

Hope every one will like.

486 AK September 1, 2015 at 10:52 am

KS Bhatiaji,
You forgot to mention the note by note copy of the song sung by Suman Kalyanpur (private)

Rimjhim rimjhim barse ye moti ke dane
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX5TwgmE3po

487 ksbhatia September 1, 2015 at 1:32 pm

AK’ji ;
Amajing! I will call it masters copy. I forgot to upload an inspired song by Kishore kumar based on …..Autumn leaves song as well .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1JXTxM9snw

488 Mahesh September 1, 2015 at 1:58 pm

I hate to discuss new songs, but then can someone please check.
1. Madhuri Dixit’s “Raja”
2. Amir Khan’s “Baazi”.
I suppose they had songs based on Come September.

Also “mere sanam” and “kashmir ki kalli” movies were based on the English version. I don’t know if these movies had any songs based on the popular theme.

Lastly the Lata song from Aah 1953.
Thanks.

489 AK September 1, 2015 at 3:00 pm

Mahesh,
Raja (1995) song is very clearly based on Come September (the song starts from 1.43).

Nazarein milin dil dhadka by Alka Yagnik and Udit Narayan from Raja
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFImzXXrFJA

I am not aware of the song from Baazi. It may not be a close copy, otherwise it would have come to notice.

Mere SanamHumdum mere maan bhi jaao seems to be closest to the tune, but I won’t call it based on Come September. Kashmir Ki Kali – I can’t think of any song which could be said to be inspired from that tune. No point in stretching. The similarity has to be obvious on first listening.

Aah – Perhaps you are thinking of Sunate the naam hum jinka bahaar se. But Come September came in 1961, therefore, this cannot be the inspiration for Aah song. Not everything in staccato style has to be Come September.

490 ksbhatia September 1, 2015 at 3:26 pm

Mahesh ji;
You are very right. Both Raja and Baazi had songs based on Come September theme . Like your self I will not like to upload them , fearing that they may dilute the original ones. Any thing carrying Nadeem sharwan or Annu Malik tags are not easy to digest; for me at least .

Both , Mere Sanam and Kashmir Ki Kali , were more or less based on the likes of Rock hudson / Gina lolobrigada [ or Doris Day may be] comedy movies starer like ” Pillow Talk” . I don’t think these movies carried the theme song .

Aah’s Lata song also does not carry the related theme song as the movie aah was released much more earlier than the hollywood movies . The song ….. sunte thye naam hum …. was concieved much earliar and can be heard as background music in R K’s Barsaat .

491 Ashok Kumar Tyagi September 2, 2015 at 4:37 pm

In the article ‘ Naushad’s LDDS’, it has been stated that he was past his prime around 1968 (when film’ Saathi’ was made). A musician does not lose his art – a singer may lose power of his/her throat and lungs- in older age. One may admit that occasionally a musician/composer may be out of sync with the prevailing trends. Rather than stating Naushad to be past his prime, I would humbly state that the film makers and directors of that period were conveniently choosing mediocre talent (composers and lyricists) and were discarding top class talent. I cannot forget that from 1964-65 onwards the following were ignored, though they were as good as ever:-

Jaan-nisar Akhtar, Talat Mahmood, Hemant Kumar, Shamshad Begum, Iqbal Qureshi, C. Ramchandra and Vasant Desai.

Disregarding hughly talented persons proved a great mistake. Within a few years, the quality of Hindi film songs got lower and lower as far as lyrics and melody were concerned. Additionally, matters got worse due to sad demise of Shakeel, Shailendra, Roshan and Jaikishan.

Yours truly
Ashok Kumar Tyagi

492 AK September 2, 2015 at 5:49 pm

Tyagiji,
Welcome to SoY and thanks for your comments. What you are saying is another way of looking at it, that they remained as talented, but the trends changed. However, that is not the entire answer, because another Golden Era stalwart, SD Burman remained at the top both commercially and in quality. Another who adapted themselves amazingly are Kalyanji Anandji.

493 Gulab Shah September 2, 2015 at 10:37 pm

In case of Naushad I think his music was with the trend in late 60’s when you listen to Sathi’s songs. It may be that his big patron Producer Mehboob passed away and A. R. Kardar’s movies flopped. Also younger producers and directors probably preferred younger composers ( except for S. D. Berman who had strong support of Bengalis ) like LP and R.D. Berman. C. Ramchand did not recover from Lataji’s refusal to sing for him. S. D. Berman survived it.

494 AK September 3, 2015 at 9:51 am

Gulab Shah,
Welcome to SOY and thanks for your comments. If we see Naushad’s work post-68 (Aadmi, Sanghursh, Saathi), it is sharply downhill. I think the best way to understand is that every product has its life-cycle. He had his long reign at the top, someday it had to come to an end.

495 Ashok Kumar Tyagi September 3, 2015 at 1:18 pm

Dear AK ji and Gulab ji,

The discussion is opening into interesting directions. Film Aadmi had two magnificent Rafi numbers – Aaj purani rahon se and Na aadmi ka koi bharosa. Watching this movie in Stadium cinema in Delhi, I was perplexed to see that younger audience left the hall for short duration when a classical music based Lata Mangeshkar number came on the screen. It was a good song and Waheeda was looking very lovely. In this film, Naushad used the unique voice of Talat Mahmood one last time. That male duet (ik chand aasman mein hai ik mere saath hai) was also a reasonably good song. Around the same time, Naushad completed the pending work of the superlative musical, Pakeejah (work left incomplete due to passing away of his close friend Ghulam Mohammad). The phrase ‘sharply downhill’ probably has been used keeping in mind the music of two Rajendra Kumar films — Ganwar and Tangewala.

A seed needs a fertile soil. Good film songs need such movies where the songs may merge smoothly with the story being told and characters portraying that story. Therefore the blame may, in fairness, be directed towards film makers. When other Hindi film makers had disregarded Vasant Desai and Salil Choudhuri, Hrishikesh Mukherjee made expert use of them(Aashirwad, Guddi and Anand). It may be added that luckily for song lovers, Chetan Anand did not ditch Madan Mohan and the latter reserved his best for Chetan. I could not fathom how Ravi and Salil Choudhuri were in great demand in Malayalam films but nobody gave them work in Mumbai.

Yours truly
Ashok Kumar Tyagi

496 AK September 3, 2015 at 2:23 pm

Tyagiji,
I wish you had posted this discussion on my Naushad post. You are a mind reader, because I had precisely those two films of Rajendra Kumar in my mind.

Pakeezah is an unusual case, because firstly, who did what between Ghulam Mohammd and Naushad is contentious. GM’s family was said to be cut up by Naushad’s patronising claims. Secondly, it had been ages in the making, making Meena Kumari bloated, having to resort to a double in some dance scenes, and some clever photography to camouflage. The music, too, really belongs to 50s/60s. Some song clips of black & white era are available. As per available information, Naushad did the background score and a couple of songs.

But how does it matter. For his fans Naushad remains the Greatest Mughal of film music.

497 Gulab Shah September 4, 2015 at 12:01 pm

True everything has a life cycle. Even Genius like Naushad had to face it. Shanker Jaikishan did not have it near the end. People’s taste change. Whatever those composers gave is still so enjoyable. By the way we are forgetting songs by Roshan- Bawre Nain and Naubahar. Aire me to prem Diwani still one of the top 10 of Lataji for me. Dekhoji Mera Jiya Churaye liye jay, Kajarari Matawari madabhar do Akhiyan by Raj Kumari, Khayalomen kisike is tarah aya nahin karte,

S,D, Berman’s Chahe Kitna muzhe tum Bulaoge Nah Bolungi in Arman, what a great song. Songs from Sazza.

498 ksbhatia September 5, 2015 at 10:44 pm

SoY family ;
A very happy Janamashtmi to all of you. Here are a few of Krishna songs which are fav with me .

1.Murli bairon bhai…….. Lata……. New delhi………SJ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufVvFl5Fc6k
2.Kahan hai kahan hai kanhaiya……Lata……Kanhaiya…….SJ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIUHZANhkKY
3.O more sanware salone piya……[ same as above]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjAmLFV5SaI
4.O kanhaiya aaj aana khwab mein……[ same as above]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryZU6434RYk
5. Mohe panghat pe nand lal…… Lata…. Mu-e Azam….Naushad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khiEfXO4g9Q

List goes on into a great number ; but limiting to a few only .

499 ksbhatia September 5, 2015 at 11:21 pm

Today is Teacher’s day as well . Two songs from my side .
1. Ichak dana bichak dana………Lata., chorus….Shree 420……SJ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXxR1Fj-BQ0
Sadhna as a child student is easily recognised. Many years later she worked as heroine opposite Raj kapoor .

2.Insaaf ki dagar pe……Hemant, chorus……Ganga jamuna…Naushad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DUoUULuWNM
Aruna Irani acted as Vayijanti’s child hood role .

500 mumbaikar September 6, 2015 at 3:21 am

Bhatiaji,
THE Janamashtmi song from Khandan
Badi der bhayi nandlala
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIEzIqzyijA
I think Baby Naaz played Vyjanthimala.
Aruna Irani was Azra’s.

501 arvind September 6, 2015 at 7:42 pm

comment #499
bhatiaji,sharing :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ydFB4R6Uuo
yeh kaun chitrakar hai…/boond jo ban gayee moti/1967/mukesh/bharat vyas/satish Bhatia.

502 ksbhatia September 6, 2015 at 11:18 pm

Mumbaikar8; Arvind’ji;
Thanks for sharing the Janamasthmi and mukesh song . You are right . Vyjaintimala child hood role was played by baby naaz . My mistake.

I am still engrosed in Krishna song which I will be listing separately ; meanwhile I have come across one by the Great K L Saigal ….. Suno suno aye krishan kala……

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RolUJVMzmKw

This song I used to hum in my childhood when I was just 6 years old . This song was regularly played in Birla Mandir , New delhi [ over the loud speakers ]. Our school was adjacent to the Mandir ; as such it got engraved in my memory .

503 ksbhatia September 6, 2015 at 11:27 pm

……in continuation. One more K L Saigal song : Madhukar Shyam hamare……..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6jVPDrcQDU

504 ksbhatia September 8, 2015 at 11:59 pm

Me and my family wishes Asha ji a very happy birth day . May she live long to entertain us with melodious songs .

I am posting one of her Radha Krishna bhajan composed by Naushad .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1r9lycx2GU

505 AK September 9, 2015 at 5:53 am

My greetings too. We have a separate post on her.

506 mumbaikar8 September 9, 2015 at 5:50 pm

ksbhatiji,
your comment # 385,
.52 sec.onwards the interlude is the music you are talking about?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F0zGoypwro

507 ksbhatia September 9, 2015 at 11:20 pm

Mumbaikar8;
I think you are refering to #485 which relates to the likes of ‘ Come September ‘ and ‘ Autumn leaves’ . Yes the song….Ja ja re ja deewane ja @ .52 carries almost part of the interlude of the theme tune of Come september . I had noticed this when I saw the movie in the 60s .

508 mumbaikar8 September 10, 2015 at 7:01 am

ksbhatia,
Sorry, Yes I was referring to comment # 485, was rushing, had one more comment to make.

509 ksbhatia September 10, 2015 at 11:13 pm

Mumbaikar8, Arvinder sharma, Ashwin , Hans [ji’s] ,

I was just browsing thru’ old topics and uploads and it surprised me that starting @377 the number of songs on ‘Whistle ‘are nearing 50 . Only 4 or 5 songs are required to achieve this target . Just go down to your memory lane and see if any such hidden songs are lying some where .
I have found one which starts with duet whistles …… Mere ghunghar wale baal….. shamshad and chorus……from Pardes…..with Ghulm mohd . as MD .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvZf0T4OVhE

510 ksbhatia September 10, 2015 at 11:33 pm

SoY family ,
It is a long time we listened to Mukesh songs . Here is a gem……Tere pyar ko is tahrein bhulaana …. from Mainey jeena seekh liya with MD as Roshan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0qgF_Eydyk

511 AK September 11, 2015 at 6:02 am

KS Bhatiaji,
This song is among those which made me a great Mukesh fan. It has fihured in my ‘Mukesh’s romance with dil’.

512 Gulab shah September 11, 2015 at 10:07 am

Thinking if Janmastmi and Lord Krishna sons few come to mind:
Jay Krishna hare krishna hare, dukhiyonke dukh door kare jay jay jay Krishna hare from Shehnai music C. Ramchandra ( every song in the movie was a hit)
Main to giridharke ghar jaun by Gita Roy in Jogan
Krishna jo tum todo piya from Zanak zanak payal baje
Banvarire jineka sahara teti yad hai i think from ek phul char kante
Brijke nandlala radhake sanvaria i think from Miss Mary

513 Siddharth September 11, 2015 at 3:03 pm

AKji, Bhatiaji,
With reference to #510, reminds me of some more of my favourite Mukesh’s songs –

AANKHON MEIN TERI YAAD LIYE JAA RAHA HOON – Mukesh – HAMARI YAAD AAYEGI (1961)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hz7tp39s7bM

Jab Gham – E – Ishq Satata Hai To Hans Leta Hoon – Kinare Kinare
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOhtsfvs1X0

DIL DHOONDTA HAI SAHARE SAHARE – Mukesh – KALA AADMI (1960)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRXmmnsBbBU

514 ksbhatia September 11, 2015 at 11:30 pm

AK, Siddharth [ji’s];
Sad songs by Mukesh posted above are really gems . The more you listen the greater the desire grow for more . One thing, you have to have some time gap as well as ambience to enjoy such songs ‘with do not disturb’ board hanging outside your studio room .

Here are two of my fav.songs….
1. Do roz mein woh pyaar ka aalam……..MD…Kanu Ghosh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHz1W5nhAHg

2.Aansoo bhari hai yeh jeevan ki raahen…..MD…. Datta Ram

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETYfiRPLRDs

515 ksbhatia September 12, 2015 at 12:01 am

Gulab Shah’ji;
Thanks for reminding so many mythological songs in one go . They are all beautiful and one amongst them stands tall and that is …… tum jo toodo piya by Lataji . This song is my fav. since youth days . I think CR was at his best in Jhanak jhanak payal baaje . Vasant desai was the other MD of this catg.. Here is one of his creation…..

San sanan jare o pawan……. Lata…..from ..Sampurna ramayan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qExtyJLTeAw

516 mumbaikar8 September 12, 2015 at 4:00 am

ksbhatiaji,
A whistle song by Asha to add to you list to make it 50 up,
Aakhri Dao
Hai unki wih naigahen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HonyHUEYeQ0

517 Mahesh September 12, 2015 at 12:33 pm

https://youtu.be/-9VjDZB2P_I

Tributes to Jaikishen on his death anniversary today 12-09.
Begunaah (1957) solo song sung by Mukesh and picturised on Jaikishen himself.
The up loader of the song has also given full details of the released but banned movie.

518 ksbhatia September 12, 2015 at 1:39 pm

Mumbaiker8;
WoW ; How could I miss such a beautiful song by Madan mohan where whistle occupies 30 % of the song . Good to see Shammi ji ‘s perfection of a naughty girl enacting her whistling part as well .
Beside whistling the other great thing is the song’s interlude. A good ear bearer will notice how closely the voilene interlude resemble that of the one played in Bhag Milkha Bhag song .

519 ksbhatia September 12, 2015 at 2:36 pm

Mahesh ji;
Thanks for reminding Jaikishan’s Death Annev. Jaikishan is one of my fav. Music Director. He along with Shanker were the most sought after MDs of their time that gave magical hits in practically all the films they did in 50 thru 70s .
I was just 11 years old when the film Begunaha was released . If I remember correctly the film was withdrawn after two days of its release and was for Adults only . As for its music we were content with its songs which were played over the Radio during that time. Some of its songs paved way into binaca geetmala as well . Aye pyasse dil bejuban was my fav. also.
Jaikishan also appeared in a small role in Raj kapoor’s Shree 420 as Nadira’s drunkered husband . He can be seen dancing in the song …..Mud mud ke na dekh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ci6OfLH6Ogo

520 ksbhatia September 12, 2015 at 2:55 pm

Mumbaiker8;
Here is Bhag Milkha Bhag song that is equivalent of Akhri dao song .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60vIVA5AZ9M

521 mumbaikar8 September 12, 2015 at 10:55 pm

Ksbhatiaji,
I am impressed by your acquaintance with newer songs.
If we dig into Madan Mohan songs we might find few more whistle songs, seems he was fond of whistle.
Along with whistle songs we were discussing yodeling , I remember you were curious to know if Talat or Mukesh had yodeled , I am not aware of them but I have a song in which Ravi has done it and done it well.
This fun song from Bahu has all the flavor of Shamshad Chitalkar fun songs, the singers are Ravi and Bela Mukherjee (Hemant Kumar’s wife). Ravi starts yodeling at 1.03 and Hemant Kumar has his Nagin Been at 2.23. Have a listen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qo_kxLnkYTc

522 ksbhatia September 12, 2015 at 11:28 pm

Mumbaikar8 ;

Amazing discovery ! Never heard this song before . Its really a rare find . Yes; the subject of yodelling and whistle songs is really interesting . Ravi seems to be good at yodelling . It will be a really fun looking for Mukesh, Talat or even Hemant.
I have one more whistle song to add.

Hum to jaani pyar karega…….Asha, CR…… Baarish

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNicPnZNWo0

523 ksbhatia September 12, 2015 at 11:52 pm

in continuation…….one more whistle song …….Dil ki tammana thi masti mein…….Asha Rafi…… N Dutta……Gyaran hazar laadkiyan .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwOP75rLGSY

I think we have crossed 40 songs so far; should meet the target with more songs .

524 ksbhatia September 13, 2015 at 2:42 pm

Two more whistle songs .

Kali ke roop mein…….Asha Rafi….Nau do gyarah……..SDB

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuNTq5htE_k

Chand zaard zaard hai…..Asha Rafi…….Jaali note……..OPN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_W_Q_jf6X0

525 ksbhatia September 13, 2015 at 3:05 pm

AK’ji ;

Here is another gem of a song by Mukesh with music by Sapan jagmohan . Na jaane kahaan kho gaya woh zamana from Begaana.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0uqgH1e4dI

526 Mahesh September 13, 2015 at 4:32 pm

Bhatia ji,

Good song indeed from Beganna.
Here is one more from Sapan Jagmohan again.
Man tera tan tera (1971)

https://youtu.be/1qypUep7sEA

Incidentally both these songs feature in One song celebrity, an article by Raju Bhartan.

527 AK September 13, 2015 at 7:28 pm

KS Bhatiaji,
A quintessential Mukesh song. New for me. Thanks a lot.

528 mumbaikar8 September 13, 2015 at 9:28 pm

AK, ksbhatiaji,
Last song we had MD Ravi yodeling, this song of Naya Paisa we have Surendra yodeling with Geeta.
Can any SOYkar tell, is this the actor singer Surendra?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=19&v=3QIgsXDGu3M

529 ksbhatia September 13, 2015 at 11:52 pm

AK , Mahesh [ji’s] ;

Thanks a lot for appreciating the songs . I am looking to sort of best of B grade Music directors who could not make to A grade , though they have given beautiful songs .

One such song from …Puran Milan…..Zindagee hum tabah kar baithee….Asha, Mubarak begam…….music …C Arjun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLxX4A0-z9I

530 ksbhatia September 14, 2015 at 12:10 am

Mumbaikar 8 ;

Do you belong to Discovery channel ? Singers other than Kishore and Rafi Yodelling ? I would never have ever thought ; even in my dreams . This is a rarest of the rare song and so melodious . Surendra did a great job . We do need to find some more such song . I am still hunting of Gope/ Bhagwan/ Yakub yodly song on Google and YouTube .

S .Mohinder again was a good Music Director . He also belonged to B catg.but had all the potential to be at par with A grade MDs . His music in Nanak naam jahaaj hai was superb . Each shabad from gurubani is listener’s delight .

531 gaddeswarup September 14, 2015 at 12:19 pm

This might have been posted already. Manna Dey too did some yodelling in Piya Milan Ki aas 1961 ‘picnic me Tok til’ http://youtu.be/4FE1WrzTSI8

532 A . N. GANDHE September 14, 2015 at 1:43 pm

Sorry for the delay. but i feel one song you all great masters have missed on Janmashtmi is” bata do koi koun gali gaye shyam” from MADHU by mannadaey- MD i think is Roshan

533 ksbhatia September 14, 2015 at 11:21 pm

Gaddeswarup’ji ;

The song qualifies to be included in whistle song as well and thanks for that. What surprise me is its MD S N Tripathi who is known to be the master of his own field i.e. mythological and social movie songs . Here doing a rock and roll is a great deviation from the normal .
If one listen to the song minutely one will observe how closely new generation Three Idiot song ….Zoobi doobi…….. resemble its tune, rhythm and beats . Of course sound clarity and hi fi recording would be an issue in between its comparison.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jvHPae4FTE
I have to look for other Manna deys yodley songs as i was not aware of his such songs .

534 gaddeswarup September 15, 2015 at 4:07 am

ksbhatia ji, Sorry that I did not post a better version. I did not know about the song and just searched for yodelling songs by Manna Dey since I thought he could have done it. There are much better versions on youtube.

535 ksbhatia September 16, 2015 at 11:36 pm

Gaddeswarup’ji;

Your search is our gain . Once again thanks for your efforts .
Coming back to some classical- semi mythological songs , I have chosen one very sweetly rendered song by Lataji for its sweet voice and beautiful composition by KA. …..Koyi kahe koyi man basiya……from Madari

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rvz_pfl8Y50

Here is one of Sj’s best of classical song ……. Man mohana bade jhoothey…….from Seema .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewi3GN7RKNc

After listening to Lataji’s song I can’t miss Mannadey’s gem…….Bairan ho gai raina…….from Dekh Kabira Roiya with music by MM.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGTlCMEbP7s

Both these films were released some time during 19 56/57 and one can trace the style and trend of music during that time .

536 gaddeswarup September 19, 2015 at 6:23 am

Sudha Malhotra or Suman Kalyanpur? http://youtu.be/ATO-V7TU-QM

537 mumbaikar8 September 19, 2015 at 6:32 am

Suman Kalyanpur.

538 ksbhatia September 19, 2015 at 11:56 pm

Hans’ji ;

Refer to your quote ….. Khali pocket rakhte hain per foto Geeta Bali ki….. Instead of foto watch this great actress performing a beautiful dance number composed by non other than Naushad from Dulari beautifully rendered by Shamshad Begum . Note how Geeta bali’s dance movements and expression changes with lyrics and rhythm of the song .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9N0x0zRFBgs

539 ksbhatia September 20, 2015 at 12:13 am

Delhi and NCR is in mids of Light showers ; perhaps for the good bye to monsoon. It is really fine weather for listener of some light songs and music .

Here is a light waltz number from Nausherwan -e-adil …… Dhimi dhimi hai…… Lata ji …..CR.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkkGsyYCmmI

540 gaddeswarup September 28, 2015 at 3:02 am
541 AK September 28, 2015 at 5:49 am

Gaddeswarupji,
Thanks a lot for the link.

542 ksbhatia September 28, 2015 at 2:55 pm

Gaddeswarupji” , AKji;
The article on …Journey thru’ Lata’s songs …… @ 540 made an interesting reading and listening to some of the rare songs . What is more interesting is to know how ones life and career gets moulded with the passing of time thru listening . I think this is essential as you approach your retiring time , you have to have such hobbies and habits of exploring whatever comes .
Good to know how many such happy members of the likes of SoY exists in this world . Hats of to AKji .

543 mumbaikar8 October 2, 2015 at 7:06 am
544 Ashok Kumar Tyagi October 2, 2015 at 9:59 pm

Remembering SD Burman and Majrooh on their birthday – 1st October
They came into Hindi films within a few years of each other.
Majrooh came with film Shahjehan. He went on and on and is perhaps the lyricist with the longest time span in Hindi films. He was quite active till late eighties. His last film however came in 2003. Thus the time span is approx 47 years. Leaving time span aside, quality of his songs make him immortal. He showed his mettle whether the song represented a tragic moment in the film or a hilarious moment.
One need not say anything about SD Burman.
Since the birthday of Lata Mangeshkar was celebrated last week, I remember her song in film Guide, composed by SD Burman:
Mose chhal kiye jaye hai re hai dekho saiyan beimaan.
It is a very difficult song to render. I do not remember anybody trying to sing this song on stage in a show/concert. The tabla accompaniment by Pandit Shamta Prasad is marvelous.
i bow to these great stalwarts.

545 AK October 2, 2015 at 11:20 pm

Ashok Kumar Tyagi,
SD Burman too came to Hindi films in the same year with Eight Days.

546 Ashok Kumar Tyagi October 3, 2015 at 7:59 pm

e AK ji
Thanks.
It is ironical that Majrooh had a large number of films With SD Burman and Pancham of next generation and he outlasted both of them. God’s Will is unfathomable.
Pancham oncc narrated an anacdote on radio. Roshan, while preparing tune for a Majrooh song for film Mamta just could not work around it because the tunes he made which were acceptable to himself were very closely resembling SD Burman’s composition “Chand phir nikla” for film Paying Guest. Roshan rang up SD Burman , read out the song – Rahen na rahen hum – and told about his dilemma. Burman, being a very sporting man, told Roshan that Majrooh has done his part remarkably well and changing the lyrics would not be prudent. Hence Burman suggested a few tips which would erase the similarity with “Chand phir nikla” tune. Roshan did the rest and a beautiful song got created. Thank God for giving to the film world such great persons as SD Burman and Roshan.

547 AK October 3, 2015 at 9:06 pm

Ashok Kumar Tyagi,
Probably you mean Ye thandi hawayein.

548 Ashok Kumar Tyagi October 5, 2015 at 2:39 pm

AK ji,
Not really sure. I live in Delhi and not well connected with persons who have a very deep knowledge of Hindustani classical/light music. Will have to check out, which SD Burman song that was (out of the two).
Thanks a lot.

549 ksbhatia October 9, 2015 at 11:53 pm

AK ‘ji ;
Vintage melody at its best . Yes, hearing is in belief mode . My good night song .

Ab aayee basant bahar….Saugandh [ 1942] movie….Ashit Baran…..music by Raichand boral .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTDq1UGKLOE

550 ksbhatia October 11, 2015 at 11:38 pm

SJ fans ;
Hear Mera naam joker [ 1970 ] song ……Jaane kahan gaye woh din……as background music @ 1: 53:52 of RK’s Aah , a 1953 movie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpkWkZ6Kf0Y

That means the joker song was composed seventeen years earlier . Likewise , there is a hint of Sangam song …. dost dost na raha…. appearing as background music in Awara and repeated in Shree420 as well . There must be many tunes in R K ‘s music bank ; and in some one’s possesion , which I think , are yet to see the day light . Sun baba sun …pyar ki dhun… is one SJ’s tune which was used by Ravindra jain in R K ‘s movie Ram teri ganga maili . This fact was confirmed by Hasrat Jaipuri in one of his interviews available on youtube / google .

551 Gulabshah October 12, 2015 at 12:54 am

One of the Shree 420 songs had the tune for Kisiki Muskarahaton pe ho nisar. I have heard tunes for later songs in barsat songs also as well as in other songs too. I think this is true for others also like Madan Mohan, O.P. nayyar.

552 A . N. GANDHE October 12, 2015 at 10:35 am

Dear All

You can also hear o basanti pawan Pagal and “Namagu sona chandi” from bobby in Awara distinctly

553 A . N. GANDHE October 12, 2015 at 12:20 pm

Dear AKji,
Any idea about Ajit marchent composer of that beauty from Sapera?

554 Mahesh October 12, 2015 at 3:28 pm

Dear all,
A long time since we had a gems of ghazal emperor Talat Mahmood at one place.
A few melodies of the velvet voice….all featuring the word “shaam”. Hope you like them.

https://youtu.be/c3o6RAlUPP0

https://youtu.be/YxhYv53iCzI

https://youtu.be/YmuREyUwd38

https://youtu.be/qYrzOxANjj4

I am sure there are more songs of Talat saab featuring the word “shaam”. Can we have more please.

555 AK October 12, 2015 at 6:30 pm

Mahesh,
You have added the best of ‘shaam’songs of Talat Mahmood. The second one Har sham sham-e-gham hai was new to me. Thanks a lot. It is interesting the metaphor of shaam-e-gham occurs so frequently in these songs. A point to ponder – can we infer that even for the most melancholic person the morning was not one of despondency?

556 AK October 13, 2015 at 10:14 pm

AN Gandhe,
It was quite comon in early RK films to have tunes in the background music which later became full-fledged songs in films. But this was not unique to RK-SJ. If you are attentive you would notice Naushad, Salil Chaudhary and most major composers have used pieces from their background score as tunes for songs in later films.

Ajit Merchant is a doyen of Gujarati music. He didn’t have a very successful career in Hindi films, though many of his tunes are outstanding. SoY has a post on him, written by the guest author Ashok M Vaishnav, in the series on ‘Forgotten Composers’. You can see its link on the sidebar.

557 Gulabshah October 14, 2015 at 5:03 am

Mr. Gandhe,

Where can i locate mr. Vaishnav’s article on Ajit Merchant. Sorry i can not see it on the side bar.

Did Ajit Merchant compose music for Warasdar? Songs fron that movie were so popular when i was growing up.

558 AK October 14, 2015 at 6:53 am

AK Gandhe, Gulab Shah,
I am utterly sorry, I mixed up with Avinash Vyas. Please ignore my comments. There is no post yet on Ajit Merchant on SoY.

559 ksbhatia October 18, 2015 at 1:18 pm

AKji; Forgotten melodies of forgotten Music Directors gave us an in-depth richness of the songs to cherish even after decades of time lapse . Continuing my dig on such melodies of still unknown MDs , I incidently hit upon songs composed by Pundit Govind Ram . He had to his credit a number of films that were produced between mid 40s and mid 50s ; and featured a number of good stars of that times like Dilip kumar [ Ghar ki Izzat ] ,Mumtaz shanti , nalini , Gope, Jeevan etc.

Listening to some of his songs was a treat to me . The following samplers shows how close his creation was with that of Husanlal Bhagatram , Gulam mohd and Sajjad hussain .

1. Tune jahan bana kar……1949….Lata…..Maa ka Pyar…….Gobind Ram

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umtX0qi85aM&index=4&list=PLO5xn0KW97nz61FM0F7-BTn2gzrgdfO-A

2. Meri kasam tumhen ……1955….Asha……Naqaab……GR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSCh-K3CSbA&index=5&list=PLO5xn0KW97nz61FM0F7-BTn2gzrgdfO-A

3.Kari kari andhiyari mein….1952….Lata…..Jalpari…….GR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klj0ha7B4Hw

4. Wah re zamane kya rang …1948 ….Rafi….Ghar ki izzat……GR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p_l_XhfcpM

5.Haye dard jara dum le…..1948 …….Shamshad…Ghar ki izzat……GR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3yFVRtqf-s .

There are many good songs by Gobind Ram which are awaiting hearing.

560 gaddeswarup October 18, 2015 at 3:23 pm

ksbahatiyaji at #549, That last song does not seem to be by Shamshad Begum. Several other uploiads say Amirbai Karnataki.

561 AK October 18, 2015 at 10:24 pm

KS Bhatiaji,
Govind Ram has given some of the best songs for Shamshad Begum and several other vintage singers. Thanks a lot for making a special mention of him. The last song seems to be Amirbai Karnataki. This is a re-recording of the same song which he had composed for Zamana (1938).

562 ksbhatia October 18, 2015 at 11:23 pm

AK, Gaddeswarup’ji[s] ;
Thanks for the correction . The last song really is by Amirbai Karnatki. Iwas also not sure of Shamshad as up loader of the song did mention Shamshad as singer .
Since the song is played over the Radio I think we have to believe that the song is from Zamana and Gobind Ram belongs to late 30s era as well .

What really impressed me is song no 2 . The Asha’s rendering and the musical interlude and style matches that of Sajjad hussain …… the likes of Rustam sorab songs .

563 A . N. GANDHE October 20, 2015 at 6:13 pm

I feel you must write an artical about “unsung songs” of Shankar jaikishan from 50s. From films like Aas, parbat,Poonam, Aurat,Ambar Mayurpankh etc. it will be interesting reading. no doubt our great readers will knowing all about them.

564 AK October 20, 2015 at 9:41 pm

AN Gandhe,
You mean songs sung by minor singers, watched by silent lead actors? Anu Warrier has recently written on this on her blog.

565 A . N. GANDHE October 21, 2015 at 4:56 pm

what I meant by unsung songs was good songs form films of 50s created by Shankar Jaikishan. Songs were very good but could not get due recongnition because films were flops. Films likeAas, parbat, Poonam, Aurat, Ambar Mayurpankh,Halaku, Badshah.

I hope i make my self clear.

566 Hans October 21, 2015 at 7:29 pm

SOY friends. Today is Shammi Kapoor’s birthday. I present a song composed by Roshan and naturally sung by Rafi, who was Shammi’s favourite singer.

Ghame hasti se bas begana hota – Vallah Kya Baat Hai (1962)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XImjIHXDvwE

567 AK October 21, 2015 at 8:40 pm

AN Gandhe,
You are quite clear. SJ deserve a series on them, when these films would seriously figure.

568 ksbhatia October 21, 2015 at 11:21 pm

AK’ji ;
I entirely agree with A N Gandhe ji . Series on SJ could be in two parts ; one with Hit movies and the second with not so hit movies . I some time feels the songs of not so hit movies were as good as any other movie . Series on songs/ music of RK movies could be another one to roll on .

569 ksbhatia October 22, 2015 at 12:24 am

Hans’ji ;

Thanks for the Shammi kapoor song that remind me of his good old days as a most sought after romantic hero of his time and as a contributer to intense transition musical journey from vintage , golden, and modern ; dancing taps on the beats of dholok , ghungroo, guitar and then to drums ,bongo ,guitar and finally to Saxophone and piano . His screen love songs are permanently etched in heart and head of the listeners .

Here are a few of my fav. of Shammi kapoor songs :

1.Cham cham lo suno…..Mannadey, Lata,chorus……Ujaala…..SJ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SM4mgXpAsM

2.Bolo bolo kuchh to bolo….Rafi…..Dil Deke Dekho……Usha Khanna

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qcr16Be_oEU

3.Tumne kisi ki jaan ko…..Rafi….Rajkumar…….SJ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwfqaXbobDI

4.Khuli palak mein jhootha ……Rafi…..Professor….SJ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUu0Z2CF9iY

5.Hai duniya usiki……Rafi….Kashmir ki Kali…….O P Nayyar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GTCf-5dXj0

6. Dil ke jharokhe mein …..Rafi……Bramchari……..SJ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIYuDikff6Y

7.Taarif karoon kya uski……Rafi …..Kashmir ki kali …..O P Nayyar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPGIPmMaZVQ

Happy Birth Day remembrence of Shammi Kapoor .

570 gaddeswarup October 22, 2015 at 8:35 am

Hindi to Telugu.
C.Ramachandra JAWANI KI RAIL CHALI JAYE RE, Shehnai 1947
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVU-LNCiHWc&feature=related
From Penki Pellam 1956, MD: K.Prasada Rao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVU-LNCiHWc&feature=related

571 Ravindra Kelkar October 22, 2015 at 8:24 pm

Dear All,
Recently, I came across an article in prominent newspaper, on the topic of Asha Bhosale’s marriage with RD Burman. The article implied that there is no official evidence of Asha-RD marriage. It also says that Kishore Kumar, who was a very close friend of RD, was in charge of the ceremony & Kishore Kumar asked the photographer to load a blank role. It seems there is not a single photograph of the event. It’s reasonable to assume that RD was aware of this. This news came as a real shock.
This made me wonder, whether all those songs (where many feel that Kishore has outshone Rafi) like “Tum Bin Jaoon Kahan” & “Yadon Ki Barat Nikali Hai”, etc. were stage managed by RD deliberately, to show Rafi in a lesser light & consequently boost up Kishore Kumar.

572 AK October 22, 2015 at 9:47 pm

Ravindra Kelkar,
This story makes no sense to me. The whole world knew they were married. They never tried to contradict either. So what is the author trying to prove? OK, they were not married. So what?

The second part has left me equally confused. I am a Rafi fan. I kept Kishore Kumer not after Rafi, but after him, Mukesh, Talat Mahmood, Hemant Kumar etc. but post-69 I feel KK was The playback singer. Tum bin jaaun kahan KK has sung like KK, Rafi like Rafi. KK sounds better to me. I don’t see any controversy here.

573 AK October 22, 2015 at 9:50 pm

Gaddeswarupji,
It seems you have added the link of the Hindi song twice.

574 ksbhatia October 22, 2015 at 11:34 pm

Hans ‘ji ;
Similar tune/ song of N. Dutta found after a time lapse :

Tu hindu banega na ……Rafi……Dhool ka phool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqcyUkUFzrc

Kya kya na sitam tujh pe huye …..Rafi….Mohini

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTn5EX9tpSE

575 Gaddeswarup October 23, 2015 at 6:40 am

@570,572 sorry. This is the Telugu version. Probably more an adoption but the theme, parts of the tune are similar
http://youtu.be/Pbf6nycgqAA

576 mumbaikar8 October 24, 2015 at 4:17 am

AK, ksbhatiaji,
Is this a twin song?
Geeta chorus Happy version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjqNfzgtH2k
Lata Happy and sad dual emotions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8MDKL1-_NY

577 AK October 24, 2015 at 5:33 am

Mumbaikar8,
Only the first few words are similar. The tune too seems to be very different. But I have to thank you for the wonderful Lata Mangeshkar song. Slow antara, fast refrain – this is a unique class of songs.

578 ksbhatia October 24, 2015 at 11:36 pm

Mumbaiker8,
This is a tough question . I am hearing both the song for the first time . I endorse the views of AK ji . The second song is almost of the like of ….Ja ja re jaa sajna…..by Lata , Asha from Adalat . Depending upon the story the situation seems to be similar in both the movies [Riyasat , Adalat ] ., happy and sad as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJ_5wSbQB-I

579 ksbhatia October 24, 2015 at 11:48 pm

A N Gandhe ji ;
Here is a Lata ji’s song from a lesser known movie Naya Ghar with Shanker Jaikishan as MDs . Though I am a great fan of SJ this song and movie was not in my listings earlier . Hearing now , however ; is a pleasure .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OHYl9-Xa2g

580 ksbhatia October 26, 2015 at 12:43 am

Today is the day of remembrance of the great poet and song writer Sahir ludhianvi being his birthday . A gem of a person that has given so much hit song that made him rule along with other top notch writers for almost four decades . A most respected lyric writer amongst producers and music directors .

I present here a few of my fav. songs in his remembrance :

1. Hum aapki aankhoan mein……Rafi, Geeta dutt…..Pyaasa ….S D B

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuLtVjMA_ek

2.Maayus to hoon wade pe tere……Rafi……Barsaat ki raat…..Roshan .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nah9UFqDLXw

3. Aana hai to aa raha mein……Rafi…..Naya Daur……..O P N

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpHDzsgmcPI

4. Chalo ek baar phir se……M K ….Gumrah……Ravi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzbO1mjFPOM&list=PLBwWPnIPFTi4rpco476vAukWSVPWCUX5j&index=3

5. Tadbeer se bigdi hui …..Geeta Dutt….Baazi……S D B

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgwfvDh7cPc

6.Dil jale to jale……Lata…..Taxi driver…..S D B

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyvmSkuYoPo

7. Phaili hui hain sapnoan ki bahen….Lata…..House no 44…S D B

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lxf-n4eMkHw

8. Itnee haseen itni jawan raat….Rafi…..Aaj aur kal……Ravi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aspnHWvms6E

…………..and many more…….

581 AK October 26, 2015 at 5:11 am

Bhatiaji,
I join in paying my respects to the great poet. Someone cited ten songs and stated there was a patriotic poet, there was a cynical poet, there was a confident poet, there was a rebel poet, there was a romantic poet, and so on. And all this was of course Sahir.

582 A . N. GANDHE October 26, 2015 at 10:32 am

Shri KS Bhatiyaji,
Song from naya Ghar was yet another testimony of greatness of SJ. They had this great capacity to churn out song after song all very sweet and HIT.

583 A . N. GANDHE October 26, 2015 at 10:40 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KZ9SuYrjww&list=RD8KZ9SuYrjww#t=9
Yet another song from Naya ghar which i remembered just now.

584 ksbhatia October 26, 2015 at 1:46 pm

AK’ji;
You have sum up Sahir’s personality in one sentence ; and that was really sahir . I was trying to search the best song of sahir but could not . Even it is difficult to choose the best amongst the 8 songs of my listing ; implying whatever he has written are gems and jewels .

585 ksbhatia October 26, 2015 at 1:57 pm

A N Gandhe’ji ;
Thanks for the beautiful song . You are right SJ had this capacity to give their best even to less known producer of budget movies .
Two more songs of Naya Ghar which i had heard in my child hood but never knew who the M D was .
1. Laga kar dil pareshan hai…….Lata
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAxKxWmlDqg
2.Unhe tu bhool ja aiye dil………Talat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9WnC045SQw

586 A . N. GANDHE October 26, 2015 at 4:53 pm

Shri kS Bhatiyaji
Thanks for these two jems. i am sure such beauty are hidden in most of films of SK of 50s

587 mumbaikar8 October 26, 2015 at 4:55 pm

ksbhatiaji,
My share of remembering (romantic) Sahir
Pyar par bas to nahin hai Sone ki chidiya
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_yn4FxxTEU
Abhi na jao chood kar Hum Dono
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v20a_MDLOkU

588 ksbhatia October 27, 2015 at 12:01 am

Mumbaikar8 ,
Both the songs are my all time fav. Ashaji’s humming in… pyar par bus to nahin hai… is very sweet that adds to talat’s velvet voice . Very romantic song.
Here are few of my all time fav. of Sahir songs with S . D. Burman :

1.Thandi hawayein lehrate ayen…..Lata…….S D B
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1TtVax2t-s
2.Tum na jaane kis jahan……Lata……S D B
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ViU4snrErE
3.Dil se mila ke dil pyar…….Lata…..S D B
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIxUXeecrBo
4.Dil jale to jale……..Lata…….S D B
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A90cULM-60
5. Yeh kaun aaya ki mere dil……Geeta dutt……S D B

589 ksbhatia October 27, 2015 at 12:27 am

A N Gandhe’ji;
Here are a few more from the SJ booty of gems and jewels :
1. Bada julm dekha hamne……Lata…..Aurat…..S J
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A90cULM-60
Beautiful touching melody supported by awesome sad interludes .
2. Dard e jigar tehr jara…….Lata……Aurat…..S J
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbzvCcjhIPI
Another beautiful touching melody.
3.Do din ke liye mehmaan …..Lata…..Baadal…..S J
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDhui6Wl1k
4. Unse pyar ho gaya……Lata…..Baadal…..S J
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjFt7DjRsY8
………and Shanker Jaikishan melodies will continue….as times goes by……

590 A . N. GANDHE October 27, 2015 at 4:52 pm

Some more jems from SJ stable O more balama – Poonam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4ESVX4mRGs
kali ghata ghir aaye re
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3teobBtp_UA
Humse na poochoo koi pyaar kaya hai- kali ghata
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5DMkYadubM
Dare ulfat chhupaon kahan- aurat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iir16Penack
Naino se naine hua chaar- Aurat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpJr40FpS5M
Suna Suna hai jahan- Aurat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lpAFbOsafM
Ulfat ka saaz chhedo- Aurat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLpC77POXi0
Gul muskura utha – Badshah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uXxIZVpB3c
Chhun chhun Chhun baze payal- Humlog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XNxU8LNOGc
Khushiyon ke chaan muskaraye re0 mayurpankh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uewNzviWCdc
Mohabbat ki dastan aaj sunao- Mayur pankh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP0hcdGEiCg
Main to chalu pachim poorab chale duniya- maurpankh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6UBjQcnSMA
Tune haaye mere jakhme jigar ko- nagina
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gic7iVKDnP8
Haaye mera dil le gaya- Parabat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UH_XZSzbZA
Chanda ki chanadi mein – Poonam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgAPmR_quXg
Aaye aaye raat suhani sun le dil ki kahani- Poonam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfP7G4yunJM&list=RDdgAPmR_quXg&index=14
Din suhane mausam bahar ka
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljqNGjsulLQ
Ab to aa jao balam- poonam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7spRaU7E2Hc
I hope you appreciate this effort

591 mumbaikar8 October 27, 2015 at 5:47 pm

Hans,
You are well versed in Punjabi songs.
I do not understand Punjabi very well, what I can understand, it looks like a twin song.
A Punjabi song from Geet Baharan De is remade in Hindi movie Bhavna,
The information of the Music Directors of both these movies is inconclusive.
The Punjabi MD is S Mohinder? Or Hans Raj? Hindi Jaidev? or Ravinder Jain?
Punjabi song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0opBIbexZxs
Hindi song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zm5grHz_M-Q

592 AK October 27, 2015 at 8:29 pm

KS Bhatiaji, AN Gandhe
Thanks a lot for mentioning so many of SJ gems. Bhatiaji, your link of Bada zulm dekha humne is not correct, inadvertently Dil jale to jale has been repeated. But don’t worry, I herd this song on YT.

AN Gandhe,
A small correction: Chhun chhun chhun baje payal mori from Hum Log is composed by Roshan.

593 ksbhatia October 27, 2015 at 11:36 pm

A N Gandhe’ji ;
WOWoooo. The great listing of SJ’s melodies . All the songs I think belong to 19 50-55 period and are my fav. too . Those were the days when melody was king and S J were at peak of their career . Every song they composed turned out to be gold irrespective of films box office status . I thankfully appreciate your efforts to locate such songs and collect them at one place.
Din suhane mausam bahar ka……song from Poonam …is melodious and new to me . Gul muskura utha……from Badshah , is happy version of ….Rula kar chal diye ek din…..by Hemant kumar .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE1LzMHt1DE

Another beautiful romantic song from the same film :

Aa neele gagan tale pyar hum karen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnOFZw8wElg

Once again thanks for contributing to SJ booty of gems and jewels .

594 ksbhatia October 27, 2015 at 11:44 pm

A K ji;
My mistake . Correction follows :
Bada zulm dekha zamzne mein humne…….Lata…….Badal…..S J.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wREkMEKGni4

595 A . N. GANDHE October 28, 2015 at 12:12 pm

Dear AK,
Noted for Hum log. Some more follows
Aaj maane na mora jiya- Badal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYINzs2DqCs
Sunte the naam hum- Aah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DTfnH8N994

596 ksbhatia October 29, 2015 at 12:24 am

Mumbaikar8;
After yoddling and whistle song I am opening pandora of wai wai songs . This idea came to my mind after listening to my lunch time music which had theme of Western songs and music of Hollywood . The song …Ayi ai ai ai …by Joni Harms propted me to open the counter part Wai Wai songs of Bollywood .There are quite a number of such songs , may be more in B grade movies than A grade ones . Feroz khan, Azit , Dara singh , Mahipal etc did many Arabian nights fantasy type movies where Helen , J Shree T , Meena T , Bela bose , Kum kum ….all contributed to such musical dance numbers . Movies made by Basant and Homi Wadia carried such songs extensively.

Hollywood Western song……Ay yi yi yi……Joni harms

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zks8L7t5yPA&index=8&list=PL417AF501A6813964

1. Chala dildar vai vai……Lata….Duniya na mane…….M M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ6rIESoguY

2.Meri ja meri ja……Lata…..Yahudi……..S J

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwianm8SOGk

3.Yaar wai wai yaar wai wai….Lata, C R…..Sargam……C R

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOA0jdzI_lQ

4.Daga daga wai wai…..Lata…Kali topi lal rumal….Chitrgupt

5. Tujko mein jaan gayee…..Lata, Rafi…..Zabak…..Chitrgupt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRONr9c3Q2M

6. Wai wai qurbaan o meri jaan…..Rafi ,TunTun…..Khufia mahal…MD[?]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTx6mQmuW3w

……..There is one more song of a film starring Ajit which i am not able to locate . I think Usha khanna is M D of that film .

Here are a few of Wai Wai songs :

597 ksbhatia October 29, 2015 at 12:28 am

in continuation…….missed the link to Daga daga wai wai wai….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgKjG8eZekQ

598 mumbaikar8 October 30, 2015 at 5:34 pm

Ksbhatiaji,
I will enjoy the “wai wai” songs you have uploaded. I am sorry I cannot remember any song with “wai wai” right now.

599 A . N. GANDHE October 30, 2015 at 6:40 pm

Mumbaikar8
Idid not know three so many songs with Wai wai. May that film you mentioned is Kabulikhan as ajit.

600 A . N. GANDHE October 30, 2015 at 6:49 pm

Any update on Lala Asar Sattar. I think they were three different persons? I just heard main to tere haseen khayalon mein kho gaya from Sangram

601 mumbaikar8 October 30, 2015 at 7:31 pm

A . N. GANDHE
I think there is a confusion.
Ksbhatiaji has uploaded wai wai songs, I am surprised too that there are so many wai wai songs.

602 ksbhatia October 30, 2015 at 11:00 pm

Today is Karva chauth and here is a lovely song on chand..

Gali mein aaj chand nikla……Alka yagnit……Zakhm……M D [?]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrQyvda9AkQ [Happy]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVyPHLfYNGY [ Sad]

603 viswanathan sk November 3, 2015 at 8:47 am

i will be grateful if anyone could translate this song from bombai ki babu
dev anand and suchitra sen
देखने मे भोला है दिल का सलोना
बंबई से आया है बाबू चिनन्ना

गली गली गाँव की रे जागी है सोते सोते
फिर से लागे है ऐसा फिर से लागे है ऐसा
हुए हम छोटे छोटे
संग लेके आया है मेरा बचपना
बंबई से आया है बाबू चिनन्ना

निकी मुन्नी, नूर बेगम उसे ना बनाना जी
हसीनो का शहज़ादा है हसीनो का शहज़ादा है
हँसी ना उड़ाना जी
दिल उड़ा ले जाएगा छोड़ो बचपना
बंबई से आया है बाबू चिनन्ना

सुनो मगर शहज़ादे जी कही भूल मत जाना
बुरी है यह नैनोवाली, बुरी है यह नैनोवाली
बनाती है दीवाना
गाँव है यह परियों का दिल को बचना
बंबई से आया है बाबू चिनन्ना

604 A . N. GANDHE November 3, 2015 at 5:14 pm

A piece on Ajit merchant

Ajit Merchant was born to lawyer of Mumbai. His family was natively belonged to Bet Dwarka. He was introduced to music by his father who used to take him to concerts of various musicians like Abdul Karim Khan. He was trained in music by Shivkumar Shukla.

He was married to Nilamben.
Career

Merchant was a stage actor before venturing into music. He received the best actors award in Mumbai State Drama Festival for his role in Pragji Dosa’s play Anahat Naad.

He was invited by Chandravadan Mehta for his radio programme Ek Daayro in 1945. He presented some songs like ‘Ekvar Ghogha Jajo Re Gheriya’ and ‘Pandadi Shi Hodi’. He impressed radio station director and started performing on radio. After leaving All India Radio, he was involved with Navi Rangbhoomi. He composed music of more than 250 Gujarati, Hindi and Marathi stage plays.

He reached his popularity with his film Divadandi (1950). He produced the film with story written by Chandravadan Mehta and screenplay by Barkat Virani ‘Befam’. Though the film was moderately successful, a song Taro Aankhno Afeeni was huge hit. The music was composed by Ajit himself and was sung by Dilip Dholakia. The song is still popular across Gujarat.

He was neighbor of Hindi playback singer, Mukesh and he agreed him to sing for his compositions in some Gujarati films like Kariyavar and Lagna Mandap. He composed a gazal, Raat Khamosh Hai which was later sung by Jagjit Singh and included in his album, Muntazir.

He died on 18 March 2011.
Filmography

He composed and directed music of several Hindi films like Sapera (1961), Refugee (1948), Indra Leela (1956), Challenge (1964), Chandi Pooja (1957), Lady Killer (1968), Ram Bhakta Vibhishan (1958), Raj Kumari (1955); and Gujarati films like Divadandi (1950), Kariyavar (1948), Lagna Mandap, Bahuroopi.
Awards

He was awarded Lifetime Achievement award by Maharashtra Rajya Gujarati Sahitya Akademi in 2007

605 AK November 3, 2015 at 5:36 pm

AN Gandhe,
Thanks a lot for this detailed information.

606 A . N. GANDHE November 3, 2015 at 5:38 pm

Dear AK
I feel it should go in to the section of forgotten composers. Kindly do the needful. I trying to search Lala+Asar+Sattar also.

607 Gulab shah November 4, 2015 at 7:00 am

Thanks Mr. Gandhe for info on Ajit Merchant. There was another song from Diwadandi which was quite popular. Vagda vache talavadi ne talavadine teer. Also I think there were hit songs in Kariavar but i do not remember. Do you know who was the M.D. For Warasdar? It had sfew big hits like Kadkabalis kadka balis kadkabalis kare boot palis.

608 AK November 4, 2015 at 2:34 pm

SK Vishwanathan,
Welcome to Songs of Yore. Let me try to give you a rough translation.
Oh, he looks so innocent and of lovely heart
The adorable Babu has come from Bambai

Every street of the village has woken up from sleep
Again it looks as if we have become small kids
He has brought my childhood alive with him
The adorable Babu has come from Bambai

Nikki, Munni, Noor Begum, don’t tease him
He is a Prince Charming for beautiful damsels
Don’t make fun of him
He will sweep your heart away, don’t be kiddish
The adorable Babu has come from Bambai

But, listen O Prince, don’t forget
This doe-eyed girl is dangerous
And makes guys intoxicated
This village is of fairies, try to protect your heart
The adorable Babu has come from Bambai

609 gaddeswarup November 4, 2015 at 3:22 pm

Kishore Kumar singing a classical https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DEWr1H5INQ
Mukesh singing in the same raag https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlbI7WXnh4E

610 AK November 4, 2015 at 6:00 pm

Gaddeswarupji,
Both Payalwaali dekhana and Matwaali naar thumak thumak chali jaye are my favourites. Thanks for mentioning the songs.

611 ksbhatia November 4, 2015 at 10:28 pm

AK’ji ;
Both the songs very close to my fav. …. Tum toh pyar ho sajni….by Rafi , Lata from Sehra. Music by Ramlal is superb.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnZrEwqeHmU

612 Viswanathan sk November 5, 2015 at 12:24 am

Dear AK,
Thanks for your translation of Bombai ke babu song
Can u suggest me a few websites where I can the translation of classical songs in Hindi

613 ksbhatia November 10, 2015 at 11:55 pm

My family joins me in sending Diwali greetings To S o Y families and wish the grand event brings all the happiness and joy to every one . A funny song from our side by Geeta dutt ….Pom pom pom baja bole….. Aasmaan[1952]…O P Nayyar ….. for joyful diwali .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PovD-ZkFr7c

614 Hans November 16, 2015 at 2:05 am

Mumbaikar8, (comment 591)
Great observation for a person not knowing Panjabi. The MD for Bhavna is Jaidev. The name of MD for the Panjabi song is just a guess because there are no reliable records kept and various uploads show various names. My guess is Hans Raj Behl, because I have listened to 2-3 similar compositions from him in Hindi films. And also in that period he was ruling Panjabi cinema. The Hindi song is a complete translation of the Panjabi song and the lyricist in both cases is Naqsh Lyallpuri, who was from Panjab area and knew both languages well.

615 Bal gupta November 20, 2015 at 11:14 am

Where can I get video audio of the song
Meri Pooja Na Thukrana, Ho Meri Pooja Na Thukrana from Duniya Kya Jane (1971). Shankar Jaikishan. Rajinder Krishan. Suman Kalyanpur.

616 viswanathan sk November 20, 2015 at 2:51 pm

I will be grateful if you could suggest me a few websites where I can get old hindi song translation in English

617 AK November 20, 2015 at 4:35 pm

Vishwanathan SK,
I am not aware of any site devoted to translation of Hindi songs to English. I do it myself off and on. Atul Song A Day, too, sometimes posts translations. My criteria is simple. The lyric should be such that it sounds lyrical in translation too.

618 A . N. GANDHE November 20, 2015 at 6:32 pm

In my series of Forgotten composers
Iqbal Qureshi:
Iqbal Quereshi was always interested in songs and singing . He started his career by singing for All India Radio .He later began composing music for movies like Sipah Salaar, Panchayat, Pahadi Nagin, Fauladi Mukka, Night Bird, Teer Andaz etc. His last films as composer, by the name Ikbal Gill, was for Kaala Coat , Jaan Pehchan, both released in the early 90s. The irony is that his movies and compositions often got easily mixed with another composer called Iqbal Qureshi .
Iqbal Qureshi also worked with almost all the big names in playback singing like Suman Kalyanpur, Asha Bhonsle, Mohammed Rafi, Mubarak Begum, Lata Mangeshkar, Manna Dey, Geeta Dutt and also some of the singers of the eighties like Anuradha poduwal and Amit Kumar. Some of the films for which he composed music were Cha cha cha, Love in Simla, Yeh dil kisko doon, Umar Qaid, Qawali ki raat, Banarsi thug, Bindiya, Dastan e laila majnu, Bombay by nite.
His compositions have always been melodious nd some of his most popular songs have been Mukesh’a Mujhe raat din yeh khayal hai from Umar Qaid, Mohammad Rafi’s Mein apne aap se gabraa gaya hoon from Bindiya ,Tha thaiya kathe aana a popular Lata – Getta dutt duet from the film Panchayat, Lata Mangeshkar’s Yaad suhani teri from Banarsi Thug and Subhaa na aaye sham na aaye and a popular duet Ek chambeli ke manduve thale sung by Asha Bhonsle and Mohammad rafi from the film Cha cha cha..
Iqbal quereshi was immensely talented and has been able to retain his popularity right upto this day with those who love old film songs of the fifties and sixties… I am listing ten of his best compositions which are all my personal favorites – 1, Yaad suhani teri bani zindgani meri ( Banarsi thug) 2, Subha na aaye sham na aaye ( Cha cha cha) 3, Mujhe raat din yeh khayal hai ( Umar qaid) 4, Aaj mausam bhi masthi mein gaa ne lage ( Banarsi thug) 5, Yeh zindgi ke raaste ( Love in Simla) 6, Phir aane laga yaad wohi ( Yeh dil kisko doon) 7, Jab tak duniya rahe rahenge ( yeh dil kisko doon) 8, Woh hum na the woh tum na the ( cha cha cha) 9, Kiya hai dilruba pyar bhi kabhi ( love in simla) 10, O piya jaana na ( Umar qaid).

619 AK November 20, 2015 at 9:33 pm

AN Gandhe,
Thanks for this detailed information. I have mentioned earlier that Iqbal Qureshi is a very worthy candidate for my series on Forgotten Composers Unforgettable Melodies.

620 Ravindra Kelkar November 23, 2015 at 4:11 pm

Dear All,
Today is Geeta Dutt’s birthday. The only female singer who held her own against Lata, due to her unique talent.
Posting this wonderful song from film Aasman – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfBJUppxwRo

621 AK November 23, 2015 at 4:20 pm

Ravindra Kelkar,
I also convey my tributes to her. You have posted one of her best songs. Thanks a lot.
AK

622 mumbaikar8 November 23, 2015 at 8:23 pm

Ravindra Kelkar,
Thanks for remembering Geeta Dutt’s birthday.
I love this one from Savera
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2dtQs3ESmI

623 mumbaikar8 November 23, 2015 at 8:25 pm

Hans @ 614
Thanks for appreciation and information.

624 A . N. GANDHE November 24, 2015 at 3:18 pm

dear Mumbaikar8
Song from savera was revelation for me. Such great song from my favorite Shailesh Mukharjee. Thanks a lot for uploading that song

625 A . N. GANDHE November 24, 2015 at 3:29 pm

Dear all,
Watch this beauty from Ghar ghar ki baat, Second song of Gulshan Bawara.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlAsmoy5pdM&list=RDMMq0PZWPZuV30&index=2

626 A . N. GANDHE November 24, 2015 at 3:53 pm

Here is piece on Snehal Bhatkar:

Snehal Bhatkar was from Maharashtra and his real name was Vasudev Bhatkar. While officially working for HMV, he used to secretly work as a composer under various pseudonyms like ‘B. Vasudev’, ‘Snehal’ and ‘Snehal Bhatkar’ – out of which the last one seems to have stuck forever! By the way, this pseudonym was a shorter version of his daughter’s name – Snehlata!
Bhatkar and lyricist Kidar Nath Sharma shared a special bond. Bhatkar’s main claim to fame remains Mubarak Begum’s ‘Kabhee Tanhaaiyon Mein Yoon’ – the immortal title song for film maker Kedar Sharma’s Hamari Yaad Aayegi (1961). Actually Bhatkar had originally composed this song for Lata. She had earlier recorded two duets (‘Sochtaa Hoon Yeh Kyaa Kiyaa Maine’ and ‘Jawaan Mohabbat’ with Mukesh) for the film but later in her busy schedule, she could not fit in the new recording. She then suggested that Bhatkar use Asha for this song, but Kedar Sharma opted for Mubarak Begum instead. Mubarak’s distinctive voice and Bhatkar’s exquisite tune then combined to produce an all-time classic!
Other melodious songs to his credit include ‘Ham Par Jaadoo Daal Gaye’ (Gunaah), ‘Raadhaa Ke Man Kee Muraliyaa Pukaare’ (Nand Kishore), ‘Dil Kaa Milnaa Mushkil Hai’ (Hamari Beti), ‘Woh Chalee Gham Kee Hawaa’ (Aaj Ki Baat) and ‘Lehroun pe Lehar’ (Chhabili). Aye mere humsafar (Nutan) Right from the opening couplet ‘Mohabbat mein kaheen do dil hasenge, geet gaayenge/Magar ham gham ke maare raat bhar aansoo bahaayenge’, the song immerses the listener in a moody melancholy!
On May 29, 2007 Bhatkar left this world at the ripe old age of 88 at his residence in South Mumbai. He is survived by two sons, including noted Marathi actor Ramesh Bhatkar and a daughter. His funeral was held at Dadar in Central Mumbai

627 AK November 24, 2015 at 4:16 pm

AN Gandhe,
Thanks a lot for this detailed information. Snehal Bhatkar is One of the sweetest composers. One of my favourite songs is Amir Khusro’s Kaahe ko byahi bides from Suhaagraat (1948). Everyone has sung it, but this is special.

628 ksbhatia November 24, 2015 at 4:28 pm

A N Gandhe ji ;
Kalyanji Anandji almost repeated the Ghar ghar ki baat song In 1960 film Paasport ….Saaz e dil chhead de …. a duet by Rafi and Lata .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JE531uhdvg

629 A . N. GANDHE November 24, 2015 at 4:34 pm

Yes Sir, so they all say. But to me both the songs were different and Yeh sama yeh khushi had sweetness about it. may be raga is same. I am novice with ragas.

630 ksbhatia November 24, 2015 at 4:41 pm

A Kji , A N Gandhe ji ;
Snehal bhatkar has given very different Aroma to the sweetness of songs that carried slow rhythm . My fav. Chhabili ‘s two songs are example for such songs:
1. Aye mere humsafar……Nutan….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgTiTy95aLo
2.Leheron pe leher…….Hemant , Lata….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGy7i8OEUZo

631 A . N. GANDHE November 24, 2015 at 4:54 pm

Another beauty from Snehal bhatkar
Farshiton ki nagari mein main aa gaya hoon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTO3hAVqUUE

632 ksbhatia November 24, 2015 at 5:06 pm

Ravindra Kelkar ji ;
Thanks for reminding Geeta Dutt . As we all know she had that sweet khanak unmatched quality that brought out best of the line songs; be it sad or fast number . Such a wide range of songs can be traced from some of her songs like ……
1. Mera sundre sapna beet gaya…….Do bhai…..S D Burman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBQ60nKcZPg
2.Ye kaun aaya ki mere dil……Baazi…….S D B
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh3Q8ZoBSMg
3.Aye dil mujhe bataa de…..Bhai Bhai……Madan Mohan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKcaNydkNMg
4.Jaane kya tuneh kahi……Pyaasa……S D B
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84MU3gcOxyQ
5Mera naam chin chin ……Howrah bridge……O P Nayyar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVKEMOenP-o
6.Aaj sajan mohe ……….Pyaasa……S D B
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLFnVuv69sM

…….and many more .

633 arvindersharma November 24, 2015 at 5:14 pm

Dear SoY friends,
Time for me to throw my musical hat as Snehal Bhatkar is a very favorite composer of mine.
A full post of SoY was devoted to a song by Snehal Bhatkar, sung by Suman Kalyanpur, ‘Haale dil unko sunaya tha’, where she nearly matc

634 ksbhatia November 24, 2015 at 5:23 pm

……In continuation of # 632…… missed one of my fav.song :
7. Dharti se door gore badaloan [ with Asha as chorus singer ]…..Sangdil……..Sajjad hussain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MUE0NA3HFg

635 A . N. GANDHE November 24, 2015 at 5:30 pm

Dear Arvind sharma ji
Sorry for missing such a beauty like “Hale dil unko sunsna tha” thanks.

636 arvindersharma November 24, 2015 at 5:37 pm

Dear SoY friends,
Time for me to throw my musical hat as Snehal Bhatkar is a very favorite composer of mine.
A full post of SoY was devoted to a song by Snehal Bhatkar, sung by Suman Kalyanpur, ‘Haale dil unko sunaya tha’, where she nearly matches the vocals of lata.
Here are two of my favorite duets
Toone teri nazar ne to qatil bana diya

https://youtu.be/6e9KhbjnRnM

Aapne huzoor mujhe kya se kya bana diya

https://youtu.be/BMIYIHX7lnQ

I also rate Iqbal Qureshi very highly, as AN Gandhe Ji suggested above.
Some of his great compositions were in Panchayat, especially Ta thaiyya kar ke aana.
Gandhe Ji,
enjoyed your write ups.

637 A . N. GANDHE November 24, 2015 at 5:48 pm

Dear Arvind sharma ji,
Thanks a lot for appreciation.

638 Ravindra Kelkar November 24, 2015 at 11:01 pm

ksbhatiyaji(634 comment),
Very well done. Geeta was special. No doubt about it. As you mention, she had it all.

639 ksbhatia November 26, 2015 at 10:48 pm

AK’ji ;
Sun , Sand and Camels songs … I am lifting reference of Javed Akhtar ‘s topic from the main theme : Roshan: the great melody maker……and I am bringing three superb songs written by his father Jaanisar Akhtar . The beauty in these songs lies not only in the wordings but also its composition of the song and its orchestration . The prelude, interlude and song takes you to that historical era which we never have visited but can live only in imagination thru such beautiful songs .
The lyrics of all these songs are very different but its rhythm and beats match your owns.
1. Majandaran- mere watan……..Talat…..Rustam sohrab…Sajjad Hussain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5y0i5V2UTk
2.Ae dilruba nazaren mila…….Lata……..Rustam Sohrab…..Sajjad Hussain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTSHU88yWag
3. Ae dil e nadan……..Lata……Razia Sultana…….Khayyam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdqkN95Y5QE

Note the similarity of tunes of these songs . I think there are few more such songs [ Laila Majnu …? ] which needs to be searched .

640 A.N.Gandhe November 27, 2015 at 5:18 pm

pl notify

641 A.N.Gandhe December 1, 2015 at 4:07 pm

A piece on Bipin Babul

S D Burman: Shikari (Eight Days(aath din) was
also in 1946).
Naushad Premnagar (1940).
Madan Mohan Aankhen (1950)
O P Nayyar Aasmaan (1952).
Hemant Kumar Anandmath (1952).
Rajesh Roshan Kuwara Baap (1974).
Jaidev Joru Kaa Bhai (1950)
R D Burman Chhote Nawab (1961)
Anil Biswas Dharm ki devi (1935).
C Ramchandra Bhaktaraj (1943).
Roshan Neki aur Badi (1949).
Khayyam Footpath (1953).
Ravi Ayodhyapati (1956).
Vasant Desai Shobha (1942).
Salil Do Bigha Zameen
————————————————————–Vish Krishnan further writes:
: SDBurman: Eight Days(aath din) or Shikari both in 1946
: [though Shikari is considered his first].
On a broader base, Kumar Sachin Dev’s musical breaks may well have
happened under the auspices of Calcutta’s New Theatres. He was already a
reasonably well known Bhatiyali singer then, and may even have sung
some songs for a movie or two. My notes are vague on this, but some
filmography publication out at the National Centre of the Performing Arts
(Bombay) suggests that his songs for YAHUDI KI LADKI (early ’30s) may
have been re-recorded by the great Narendranath (aka Pahaadi) Sanyal.
Also influenced by the genius of Kazi Nazrul Islam, the almost 30-year
old rookie went on to borrow a few of the master’s musical phrases in his
later movies.
Burman Dada has definitely done the music for a couple of Bengali movies
in the late ’30s or early ’40s. These were clearly NOTNew Theatres movies
(the holy trinity of Rai Chand Boral, Pankaj Mullick and TBB were pretty
much standard with that company), but they may have been financed by the
studio. I am thinking of productions like RAJGEE, JAKHER DHAN etc.
: Madan Mohan Aankhen (1950)
Out of curiosity, didn’t Madan Mohan do a couple of movies under
the name Mohan Junior? Could they have been prior to AANKHEN?
: OP Nayyar Aasmaan (1952).
After working with Jullundhur Radio for a while, OP’s first movie break
was with Dalsukh Panchholi’s KANEEZ, a popular Munawwar Sultana
movie from the late ’40s. Ghulaam Haider did the main stream music for
it, but the background was by Omkar Prasadji. AASMAAN was also
produced by Panchholi, and though Dalsukh M. died in 1959, one of the
satellite offshoot companies ended up producing the forgettable BIN MAA
KE BACHCHE in the late ’70s interesting only because the company
thought of and recruited OP at a time when the man was totally out of work,
living completely on royalties.
: Hemant Kumar Anandmath (1952).
Like so many of his contemporaries from the state of Bengal (although
he was not born there), Hemanta da’s first musical foray was in liberal
Bengali cinema. Even as a strapping teenager, he had made his name as a
Rabindra Sangeet singer. It must have been the late ’30s then. His early
breaks were not as a composer, but rather as a traditional Bengali singer
first, and then as a singer of Hindi movie songs. Can’t remember the songs
or the movies.
In the late ’40s, after doing his first 2 solo MD assignments for the movies
PURBARAAG and ABHIYAATRI, he just happened to meet theliberal
IPTA crowd. The Indian People’s Theatres Association mayhave selfdestructed under its own burden of bitter in-house politicking, but while it
was on, it attracted only the very best.Veterans like Balraj Sahni,
directors Zia Sarhadi and Khwaja Ahmed Abbas, the intellectual couple
Shahid Lateef and Ismat Chugtai, Prem Dhawan, Shailendra etc only to
name a few. And my top favourite IPTA personalities were director
Hemen Gupta (a staunch anti-British freedom fighter who spent hellishly
long periods in jail), producer-director Bimal Roy, and the man
without a musical parallel as yet, Sir Salil Chowdhury.
Salil Da’s music is well known to have rallied the countryside together
behind the people’s cause. Hemanta Da was on the more serious Rabindra
Sangeet of the world, but the two met for but abrief 4 years. Director
Hemen Gupta made 3 IPTA movies in the late ’40s or early ’50s period
starting with BHULI NAI, and going on with “1942” (a Bengal famine
story), and then the Bankim Chandra adaptation ANAND MATH. All 3
movies are credited to Hemanta Da, but Salil Da was around. It was here
that Hemanta Da formed his musical roots in cinema. Soon after that, he did
the music for FERRY, one of 7 Dev-Geeta Bali movies, also directed by
Hemen Gupta. It is a slow, boring movie, very unlike the more catchy
Dev-SD pairings, but it is worth renting just for the Hemant- Geeta Dutt
songs (e.g. “Yehi Hai Mere Sapnoon Ka Sansaar” and “Rangeeli, Sajeeli,
Chhabili Raani Nindiyaa; Aa Mere Raaja Ki
Aankhon Mein Aa”).
: Jaidev Hum Dono (??).
There were at least 4 movies made by Jaidev before HUM DONO.
JORU KA BHAI, ANJALI, and SAMUDRI DAAKOO are all from the
’50s,and I do believe KINAARE KINAARE was recorded before HUM
DONO.It may have released later.
: Salil Chowdhury Do Bigha Zameen
Again, Salil Da’s movie music break happened in the Bengali medium. Even before that, he was closely identified with left -wing liberal
movements, and admittedly borrowed some of his motifs from
Communist marching tunes (e.g. the DO BIGHA ZAMEEN song “Dharti
Kahe Pukaar Ke” is adapted from a Soviet Red Army propanda song). He began his musical solo career with two Bengali movies -PARIBARTAN and BARJAATRI, before his first (Bimal Roy) Hindi film DO
BIGHA ZAMEEN.Listening to Salil Da talk gives one the feeling of
being indivine presence. I had the honour of saying a couple of words to
him at an IIT Bombay concert. He and assistant Kanu Ghosh (no mean
musician he) were together at some classical evening affair.
While he was passionately involved with harmonic variations (an addiction
he picked up from his doctor brother’s Western classical collection of
albums) he never allowed his music to stray from the Indianness that he
so grandly and eloquently personifies. Some of his folk experiments (e.g.
the Bhangra in USNE KAHAA THAA and the Laavani song from
CHAAND AUR SOORAJ) create a seamless mixture of clearly Western
counterpoint into basic Punjabi and Marathi folk.
Not only has Salil Da worked with some of the greatest movie makers of
our times (Bimal Da, Tapan Sinha, Mrinal Sen, Ritwik Ghatak, and who was
it that made CHEMMEEN…. I forget), but he also holds the distinction for
composing songs for just about every Indian language there is. Nobody else
comes close. I would imagine Chitalkar to be a distant second on that score.
Quite early in his career, Salil Da wrote a long article for some Indian
publication. He chose English as his communication medium, and titled it
“Modern Bengali Music in Crisis”. I believe the NCPA library (Bombay)
has a copy of it.
: Many thanks to Ketan Dholakia and Arun Verma for the answers.
: Some additional information (provided by Ketan):
: C Ramchandra Bhaktaraj (1943).
Anna’s first few movies actually happened in the South. His first solo
MD-ship came from Tamil and Telugu films like JAYAKKODI,
VANAMOHINI and Master Bhagwan’s (perhaps only) Tamil directorial assignment NAARAD NARADI.
It is strange that the man should have ended his movie career with
another Southern production, the Telugu movie AKBAR SALEEM
ANARKALI (late ’70s) – imagine N.T. Rama Rao playing Akbar!!!.
But I think Chitalkar badly wanted to make this movie. He has sort-of
recycled some of his ANARKALI immortals in through this movie, and the
songs exploded into popularity.
C. Ramchandra is clearly one of 3 Bombay music makers whose in fluence
on the South is there to stay. The other two would be of course Salil Da, and
possibly Vasant Desai. Chitalkar probably made HANSO HANSO AI
DUNIYA WAALON and SUKHI JEEVAN before doing BHAKTARAJ,
but I am not sure about that.
: Roshan Neki aur Badi (1949).
I guess the Kidar Sharma-Geeta Bali connection stayed together
for a while.
: Khayyam footpath (1953).
Again, Khaiyyaam may have done a few movies prior to working on Zia
Sarhadi’s lightly radical FOOTPATH. After struggling under Ghulam
Ahmed Chishti’s tutelage, he drifted for a while doing odd jobs. He acted
in Nargis’ ROMEO AND JULIET, and probably also sang in at least one
movie of that time.
It was really the Aziz Khan-Pandit Amarnath connection that lent some
basic confidence to the young man’s faltering faith in Bombay cinema.
Credit is also due to Bulo C. Rani, an almost 3
rd
generation Ranjit
Movietone standard. After stalwarts like Jhande Khan, Banne Khan and
Rewashankar Marwadi moved on, assistants like Gyan Dutt took over the
musical reins, and following that, Bulo(chand) Chandiram Ramchandani
came on the scene. It is hard to describe Khaiyyaam as the fourthgeneration Ranjit Movietoner. That was never the main production
company in his realm.
For some strange reason, he adopted the pseudonym Sharmaji. The first
few movies, five perhaps, were done by Sharmaji. The very first of the
bunch was HEER RANJHA. Curiously enough, perhaps Khaiyyaam’s first
recording was a Punjabi folk song. That influence has stood the test of time!
What is even more odd is that Lata Mangeshkar sang for Khaiyyaam
before she sang for Anil Biswas, SJ or Khemchand Prakash. The HEER
RANJHA song “Kaahe Ko Deenhi Bides” is a traditional Avadhi song now
credited to Ameer Khusro. Lata sang it then, and Jagjit Kaur repeated it in
UMRAAO JAAN – more than 30 years later!
Other Sharmaji movies are PYAAR KI BAATEIN, PARDAA, BIWI and
GUL SANOBAR (Shammi Kapoor’s first movie?). A recent CD of Rafi’s
solo’s features the wonderful BIWI song “Akele Mein Woh Ghabraate
To Honge”. The music there is credited to Khaiyyaam. It was then that
Khaiyyaam got to work with Zia Sarhadi on FOOTPATH.
Just for more trivia, the background of the movie is credited to
Timirbaran Bhattacharya.
: Vasant Desai Shobha (1942).
Oddly enough, Vasant Desai’s first break WAS in Hindi cinema. Ido suspect
that he may have done quite a bit of solo work for hisearly Prabhat Studios
apprenticeship, and never gotten creditedwith any of it.
Prabhat and New Theatres, though they represented practically op posite
ends of India’s film geography, had one striking resem blance. They were
both musically held by their respective Holy Trinities. Vasant Desai’s
own self-proclaimed gurus were the famous Govindrao Tembe, Keshavrao
Bhole and Master Krishnarao Phulambikar. Not only did he get his basic
musical foundation from them, but he may also have acted and sung in
some of the early Shantaram productions like AYODHYECHA RAJA.
Here is where he met Master Vinayak, and we can safely attribute some of
Lata’s early songs to this meeting. Three out of 4 of Master Vinayak’s
Hindi medium creations (JEEVAN YATRA, SUBHADRA and MANDIR)
have Lata’s first few solos. The odd movie out (BADI MAA) was done by
Datta Saheb Koregaonkar, and that was no less great.
Much in the Salil Chowdhury style, Vasant Desai was steeped in the
Marathi folk tradition, working a lot with the GRAAMEEN CHITRAPAT
medium of the countryside. In one of his more uncompromising
moods, he wrote a fiery article for a Marathi movie weekly. The title is “Bas
Zhaali Sangeetachi Ghulamgiri”, also available at the NCPA (Bombay),
I hope. His passion for the Laavani and Powwada genres is evident in
some of his folksy Marathi productions like LOKSHAIR RAMJOSHI.
cheers

642 AK December 1, 2015 at 5:28 pm

AN Gandhe,
This is enormous infornation about the debut of various composers. (But the title of your comment ‘Bipin Babul’ seems to be a misnomer).

Some bits, for example relating to SD Burman-Yahudi Ki Ladki-Pahadi Sanyal have come in for discussion earlier on SoY. I don’t want to write more because most of it is appropriate for a separate post. But thanks a lot for sharing this.

643 ksbhatia December 2, 2015 at 12:24 am

AK ji;
Other day I was watching Ganga Jamuna over DD channel and enjoyed every moment of the movie songs , its music – background music as well . I came across one small bit of one line rendering in a scene where Vyajantimala and Dilip Sahib meet his brother [Munna] as inspector sitting on a horse . The one linner is a sort of duet where one can recogonise Rafi as play back for Dilip but am unable to recognise the female singer for Vyajantimala . The liner goes like …..Chal chal re gudiya pei ki nagariya , aaj ganga ka jamuna se hoi ge milanva …..Is she Lata or some one else ?

644 Ravindra Kelkar December 3, 2015 at 5:09 pm

Dear All,
Today is Dev Anand’s death anniversary, my favourite hero. I post this song as a tribute to him –
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od9wz7WKQMY
A very soulful melody from “Kinare Kinare”. My favourite Manna Dey song.

645 mumbaikar8 December 3, 2015 at 6:07 pm

Ravindra Kelkar.
My favorite too.
My tribute to Dev Anand with this song that depicts his personality? Baat ek raat ki.
Akela hoon main
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQVQ2C-B6ms

646 ksbhatia December 3, 2015 at 11:25 pm

Ravindra Kelkar ji, Mumbaikar8 ;
Both the songs are jewels and gems . Akela hoon main… reflects Dev Anand ‘s happy go lucky charms . Na sahil ki parwah na maujoan ka Dar hai……. is another way of his life that is depicted in Kinare Kinare song .

His youth persona one can very well imagine listening to …….
1. Jo bhi pyar se mila ……Kishore……Nau do Gyaraha
…………….S D B

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHIGwUjtfrA
2.Tu kahan yeh battaa……Rafi…….Tere ghar ke samne…..S D B
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPNfDpLQLSk

647 Gaddeswarup December 9, 2015 at 3:03 pm

Found another film dubbed from Hindi to Telugu. Maya Bazaar 1958 to Veera Ghatotkacha 1959. Most of the Hindi songs are on YouTube and the Telugu songs are here http://sakhiyaa.com/veera-ghatotkacha-1959-వీర-ఘటోత్కచ/

648 ksbhatia December 10, 2015 at 3:21 pm

Ravinder Kelkar ji, Arvinder sharma ji , Mumbaikar8 ;
Recently I was struck with amazing similarity of songs and music of the film Saazish [1959] . Practically all the songs bore the style of O . P . Nayyar . The songs of Saazish were sung by Asha and Rafi and music was given by S.D.Batish . Listen and decide for your self if they deserve the True Copy Tag .
1.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cm4Imrkx7M
2.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2r8u188whc
3.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPsH439un68
4.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93Oe8sNUxxQ
5.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2kV38vyhwQ

649 ksbhatia December 11, 2015 at 10:15 pm

S o Y family ; Today is Dilip Kumar sahib’s 93 rd birthday and I along with my entire family wishes Dilip sahib a very happy birth day .
Dilip sahib have entertained us for so many years – playing a variety of rolls thru out his career – be it tragedy or comedy . He is truly an institute in himself . A lot of efforts are required from the young generation to come up to the standards set by him .
I have practically seen almost all of his movies and some of them are proudly displayed in my collection on the shelf . I can not forget the intense acting ability displayed during his youth days . My fav. films till date are……Babul , Mela , Udan khatola, Deedar , Amar, Ganga Jamuna , Mughal E Azam……and many other . All these movies are special for me as the have beautiful music Tag of Naushad [ Wizard in his own right ].
May God bless Dilip sahib with a very good health and happiness for many more years .

650 AK December 12, 2015 at 9:15 am

KS Bhatiaji,
I add my greetings to him. Incidentally, the songs from all the films you have mentioned have already appeared on SoY.

651 ksbhatia December 12, 2015 at 4:11 pm

Ak ji ;
That’s the beauty of S o Y . It s a big box of collections of gems and jewels . It is a vast canvas that depicts the vast scenes and colors of landscape from rainbows to mirage , thru its beautiful collection of sound of music …..that will live and last forever .

652 Ravindra Kelkar December 13, 2015 at 12:59 am

Bhatiyaji (comment no 648),
I completely agree with you. They are heavily influenced by OP. However, SD Batish is not unique in this. I have with me a number of such songs which are an attempt to give OP type music. Most of those songs are from the time period of 1959 & 1960. The stupendous success of OP music from 1956 to 1958, compelled most of the MDs to come up with this OP style music. This could have been basically due to pressure from financers of the films, who wanted commercial success of the films in which they had put money in. They wanted hit music, which meant OP styled music. The list of MDs who did this (or were forced to do this) includes CR, Naushad, Madan Mohan, N Datta, Ravi, Jaidev, Khaiyyam, Salil Chaudhary, Roshan, Usha Khanna, Chitragupta, Hemant Kumar, & many other small time composers like SD Batish, Sardar Khwatra, etc.

653 ksbhatia December 13, 2015 at 3:10 pm

Ravindra Kelkar ji ;
I think following O P’s style is one thing but S.D.batish’s composition are just copy of OP Nayyar’s music . Yes , Usha Khanna ‘s music in Dil Deke Dekho carried the style of OPNayyar . Naushad sahib did one song in Kohi E Noor and one in Saathi / Aadmi [?] . For other MDs you have listed [ Thanks for that ] I think I have to dig many of their songs and movies .

654 ksbhatia December 14, 2015 at 11:11 pm

SoY family ;
Today is birthday of one of the greatest showman of bollywood… Raj kapoor . The man who excelled in every deptt. of film making . His four pillars ….Shailendra , hasrat, Shanker, jaikishan…were the back bone of his musical treats for the cinema goers of the golden era . Music and songs of Awara and Shree 420 had international impact , acclaimed big success and crossed boundries . In Russia , Raj kapoor and Nargis was a house hold name .
As a remembrence of his musical treat here is his famous song …Pyar hua ikrar hua hai …. There is beautiful back ground music in the movie which starts much before the prelude of the song while Raj and Nargis are engaged in some romantic dialogue . How this beautiful music get merged with the prelude of the song one must observe .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXLzfldeDcM

655 ksbhatia December 17, 2015 at 10:47 pm

After a long time I am reverting back and unwinding a few of my fav. songs in my night time schedule . Here is such one by Mukesh from Begaana with beautiful composition by Sapan Jagmohan .

……Na jaane kaha kho gaya woh zamaana……

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3Tfn0QZhsM
I think this song will win many hearts .

656 ksbhatia December 19, 2015 at 11:49 pm

AK ji ,Hans ji ;
Here is a song from old movie Bhai Bhai which is having minimal chorus of just 3 or 4 seconds . This may find funny to many members .
aye dil mujhe batta de …….Asha……Madan mohan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIMwRbkZW04

Incedently prelude of this song and that of ….Yaad kiya dil ne kahan ho tum …..match quite a bit .

657 gaddeswarup December 20, 2015 at 6:00 am

ksbhatiaji at 656. I think that the singer is Geeta Dutt not Asha.

658 ksbhatia December 20, 2015 at 9:56 pm

Gaddeswarup ji,
Thanks for the correction .
Here is one more yodley song by Kishore kumar that adds up to the listing of such songs .
Tikadam baazi tikadam bazi…..Adhikar ……Avinash Vyas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfYHhjTm4Aw

659 ksbhatia December 20, 2015 at 10:15 pm

Here is one of my fav. sweet good night song by Lata ji from Mirza Sahiba .
Tabiyat theek thi aur …….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkNwQ54tI0A
Such songs are rare to find and one has to dig in many directions to come upto that level . May be Geologists are also giving their ears .

660 gaddeswarup December 22, 2015 at 1:46 pm

ksbhatiaji, I was fascinated by a song in Posti sung by Asha Bhosle and Shamshad Begum and looked up for information about the music director. One link I retained is this http://www.apnaorg.com/articles/sap14/

661 Ravindra Kelkar December 24, 2015 at 2:57 pm

Dear All,
Today is Rafi’s birthday, for me the greatest male singer in Hindi Film Music Industry after KL Saigal.
As a tribute I post here three wonderfule songs
1) Humdono – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCIX-24cEYQ
2) Teen Deviyan -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A95gBIMj1o8
3) Bahare Phir Bhi Aayengi-Duet with Asha – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCLWePUPEkg
You must be wondering what’s common with these three songs. They are all compositions based upon the same Raga – Gaara

662 ksbhatia December 24, 2015 at 4:20 pm

Ravinder Kelkar ji ;
Thanks for the uploads of these beautiful songs of Mohd. Rafi sahib…the most respected singer of the century . I join you and all others in making the tribute by recalling some of his great musical renderings .
First of all I will start with a non filmy Gazal which I think is his all time best……
1. Dard manat kash e dawa na hua ….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Cb4okApfHs
After this soulful gazal another soulful song…..
2.Maan re tu kahe na dheer kare…..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSRN316hGFA
And now various moods of Rafi’s song on DevAnand………..
3.Sun le tu dil ki saza…….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQUZCgcWzcQ
4.Tu kahan ye bataa…….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUgMMgANjV0
5. Khoya khoya chand……
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDDVLE7HV10
6.Hum bekhudi mein tum…….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTVTh_TP-so
7. Dil ka bhawar kare pukar…….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pa97AQ0SyLs
8. Chheda mere dil ne tarana……
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DS9BlwEG6FU
Now two duets with Lataji and Asha ji………
9. Do ghadi woh jo paas aa ………..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWlAtayprGY
10. Hum safar saath apna ……..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCt2PeLwKTU

There are many songs of Rafi sahib which will remain immortal for many generations and centuries .

663 mumbaikar8 December 24, 2015 at 4:37 pm

Ravindra Kelkar,
Thanks or beating me in the remembrance!
AK, and All.
My contribution on this day. Two duets from a forgotten movie which had some great songs
Ek ke baad ek,
This seems to be the rare song in which the song starts as a comedy song and then passing on in to a romantic one. Genius of SDB .
Rafi with Asha
https://youtu.be/NXsnMgWb5ng
And the second one with Geeta Dutt another mesmerizing romantic duet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pncb7PareoI

664 Ravindra Kelkar December 24, 2015 at 9:40 pm

Bhatiyaji,
Wonderful songs, especially the non-filmi gazal. Thanks
Mumbaikar8,
Songs from “Ek Ke Baad Ek” are lovely. I remember seeing the movie, which had a theme of “family planning”. Dev Anand’s brother has 6 or 7 children & then he faces a lot of trouble in maintaining the family. The herione Sharada was a new one, completely unkown. Very surpising that actually Dev Anand accepted the film, a most unusual Dev Anand film.

665 mumbaikar8 December 24, 2015 at 11:56 pm

Ksbhatia,
I think we crossed each other in uploading.
Beautiful songs. I believe Begum Akhtar was impressed how Khayyam made Rafi sing this album and later sang for him. I remember reading it at ASAD once.

Ravindra Kelkar,
Perhaps Dev Anand believed in the subject, I think all human in general and Indian in particular believe in this subject. This movie had two absolutely soulful numbers on family planning.
Again I feel that even today these songs should be the part of voluntary family planning campaign.
Here they are. Feel the level of excellence in music by all the pillars. I get chocked whenever I listen to these songs.

Mannadey Na tel aur na bati

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_yCWaQ6BxA

Geeta Dutt Sudha Malhota

Haath Pasare raste raste

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v06n-YLyt48

666 Gulab December 25, 2015 at 9:05 am

I Love this non filmi ghazal of Rafi. It has been sung by others too. Rafi had that pain in the voice in the ghazal which is present in many of his tragic melodies.

http://youtu.be/wWSBDsEtQ0Y

667 Gulab December 25, 2015 at 9:47 am

One forgotten rafi song – tribute to Bapu

Suno suno aye duniyawalon bapuki ye amar kahani

http://youtu.be/CqMh5TUvJVw

668 mumbaikar8 December 25, 2015 at 9:51 pm

Two film personalities, I am absolutely emotional about, Rafi and Sadhana.
RIP Sadhana. Her good memories shall always remain in our hearts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VlDX_U2PkI

669 ksbhatia December 25, 2015 at 11:16 pm

Ghulab ji ;
Thanks for uploading another masterly crafted and beautiful gazal of Rafi sahib…..Gazab kiya tere wade pe aitbar kiya …..really wonderful .

Rafi sahib’s Bapu ji ki amar kahani directed by Husanlal Bhagatram and penned by Rajendra Krishan was as popular as Lata ji’s ….Aaye mere watan ke logo… during 50s thru 60s . During the same years there was a very popular non filmy song based on Roza which I am not able to locate on Youtube …. that too is a masterpiece.

670 ksbhatia December 25, 2015 at 11:31 pm

Mumbaikar 8 ;
Sadhna was really a darling of the youth during 60s . Her Sadhna cut hair style was a craze among the youth of those days . Her debut film … Love in Shimla…. hold high spirits for her to marvel her acting talent . I hold her performance in Woh Kaun Thi and Arzoo as her career best .
I am uploading a song from Arzoo as a tribute to this great actress .
……….
Bedardi balma tujh ko mera maan yaad karta hai……
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Jx4ikOZhog

671 mumbaikar8 December 26, 2015 at 7:46 am

Bhatiaji,
Are you looking for this Roza song?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN2lG_3B0Wg

672 ksbhatia December 26, 2015 at 3:15 pm

Mumbaikar8 ;
Thanks for this song but I think the one I used to listen over the radio ,some time during 1954-55 , was different . The narration and beats were a little slower and Rafi sahib sang that song very passionately .
Any way my search will go on and will share when I find it .

673 Siddharth December 26, 2015 at 4:09 pm

Bhatiaji,
@656, I think the humming at the start is similar to the prelude in the song – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KZ9SuYrjww

674 mumbaikar8 December 26, 2015 at 11:42 pm

ksbhatiaji,
Here is very interesting article on Bapu Ki kahani Gulabji and you were discussing
http://scroll.in/article/681779/listen-people-of-the-world-to-the-immortal-story-of-gandhi-sings-mohammad-rafi

I am aware of one more Roza song but that is not NFS it is from Alam Ara, have a listen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AtFhpgUUSI

675 Hans December 27, 2015 at 12:34 am

Mumbaikar8,
How our likes coincide. Rafi and Sadhana are my absolute favourites too. Not only boys but girls of our generation were absolutely fanatic about her. She looked so beautiful even in B&W films. I dont remember how many times I have seen Hum Dono, Ek Musafir Ek Haseena and Asli Naqli. She paired with every top actor of her times except Dilip Kumar. And after doing her stint in films she simply forgot the glamour scene. She was the one who could compete with full moon in beauty. Here is a night song which shows full moon. Tera mera pyar amar from Asli Naqli, which is my absolute favourite. Both Sadhna and Lata are just superb.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV0-rrdPJKw

For Rafi I would post a song which has perhaps not been posted by me earlier and is also not very famous, but is an absolute gem. Ruk ruk chamke jhuk jhuk chamke from Pehli Raat – 1959.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtGQJdavOt8

676 ksbhatia December 27, 2015 at 3:48 pm

Mumbaikar8 ;
Yes , you caught it right . The Alam Ara song was the one I was refering to . This and Suno suno aye duniya walo…. were my fav.Rafi sahib ‘s songs in the mid 50s when I was hardly ten years old .
Thanks for the links on immortal story of Ghandhi ji.

677 ksbhatia December 27, 2015 at 5:09 pm

Siddharth ji;
@673 , There were two catch in that song @656 , one was the minimum chorus rendering of just 3 or 4 sec which I think should be a record unless observer like Hans ji come up with more such songs ; the second issue was the prelude similar to Bhai bhai song….. Aye dil muje bata de …which I think is quite similar to that of ….Yaad kiya dil ne..

Yes , the song ….Lo aaye hain din pyar ke [ Thanks for uploading this fab.song ] …. is having prelude quite similar in style to Patita song ; may be for the reason that both the songs carries the SJ masterfully crafted stamp . SJ were masters in composing beautiful preludes, interludes and postludes very effective to the main lyrics and overall song composition [ as is evident from the following listed songs ] .

If Bhai Bhai song qualifies for minimal chorus song then one of the following Five songs of SJ should qualify for maximum chorus duration song.

1. Ajeeb daastan hai ye…….Lata ……SJ……..Dil apna aur preet parai
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4Kh5pCsOnM
2. Yeh duniya hai hamari…..Rafi…..SJ…….Yahudi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XufR5l_W4Q8

3. Aa ab laut challen ……..Mukesh with Lata heading chorus….SJ…….Jis desh mein ganga bahte hai
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99vq8ShTXfw
4. Tere bina aag yeh chandni……Lata , Mannadey…..SJ …Awara
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf4reYrFrVI
5. Raat gaye jab din aata hai [full song]…Mannadey , Asha …SJ…Boot Polish
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf4reYrFrVI

678 ksbhatia December 27, 2015 at 5:15 pm

in continuation….correction in 5th song :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSHUOTfR6BU

679 Hans December 31, 2015 at 12:31 am

Bhatiaji,
You talk about my observation. But, I have listened to the ‘ae dil mujhe bata de’ hundreds of times, but did not observe the chorus. But, in my view the song is not meant for chorus and the chorus in the start seems to be some mistake of re-recording.

Talking of long chorus, you have given very good examples. Here is the song ‘taqat watan ki humse hai’ from Prem Pujari, which for record is a duet of Rafi and Manna Dey with chorus. But, the voices of Rafi and Manna are heard just occasionally.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzepWtjnfwI

680 ksbhatia December 31, 2015 at 11:57 pm

HANS ji;
Your example of Prem Pujari song reminds me of another SD song from Insaan Jag Uttha By Asha , Rafi and chorus :
Mehnat kar insaan jag uthaa…….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K5mjdx5bOQ
The tune is quite similar to Prem Pujari song .

681 ksbhatia January 1, 2016 at 12:00 am

SoY family ;
A very happy NEW YEAR To all the worthy friends from Bhatia family .

682 mumbaikar January 1, 2016 at 6:39 am

Bhatiaji,
Following you in wishing HAPPY NEW YEAR to SOY family.
And a very special Happy New Year to you and your family.

683 mumbaikar January 1, 2016 at 6:54 am

ksbhatia ji, Hans.
Thanks for sharing your favorites. I like Sadhna in black and white more than in color, in color she looked glamorous but in black in white she was simply sweet. And yes Lata did sing specially for her
Both in Parakh and Prem Patra she was … I have no adjectives for that.
Just experience the
Parakh, Mila hai kisika jhumka
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM6ZhcTO61M&feature=player_embedded
Prem Patra Ab aur na koochh bhi Yaad Raha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iM4znNXAqk&feature=player_embedded

684 arvindersharma January 1, 2016 at 9:10 pm

AK Ji and all my dear SoY friends,
Wishing You all my Best Wishes for a Very Happy New Year.
Coming straight to music, the examples given by you all about the dominant chorus songs are fabulous.
One I’ll add, a song from School Master, in which Mahendra Kapoor just sings the opening Mukhda, and the rest is sung by chorus.
Aaj andhere me hain bas insaan

https://youtu.be/79CZJAWDn50

As far as Rafi is concerned, he is my ever favorite.
Just can’t get over this NFS from a very early time, only the MD of the song is not known. I spoke to some, but nothing came over.
Experts are requested to please clarify

Is dil se teri yaad bhulayi nahi jaati
Ye pyar Ki daulat hai lutayi nahi jaati

https://youtu.be/X62rdLxp4Pc

685 AK January 1, 2016 at 10:25 pm

Arvinder Sharmaji,
Thanks for your New Year greetings and I wish you the same. How about songs which are entirely chorus with no identifiable voice, such as Nacho gaao nacho jhoom machao nacho?

There is already a New Year greetings post on SoY.

686 ksbhatia January 3, 2016 at 3:28 pm

Hans ji , Siddharth ji ;
I am coming back to the topic…. Chorus…. which I usually take as of five types :
1. Songs without words , only humming by chorus singers like ajeeb daastan hai yeh , Dil apna……

2. Songs with wording [ same as lines from the main song] and humming …… like … mud mud ke na dekh , shree 420.
3. Songs with words and no humming by chorus singers like…. savere wali gaadi se chale jaainge, Latt Saheb .

4. Songs by chorus singers only , as coated by AK ji …..naacho gao naacho from Amrapali

5. Songs of the kind of Opera Drama . [ This is a research subject for SoY ] I think there is one movie by Kishore Sahu which i am not able to recall [which has such songs] .

Coming back to the Bhai Bhai song , I think there is a hint of chorus [humming ] at 0 .06 to 0.09 in the song uploaded @ 656 i.e

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIMwRbkZW04

I feel this should fall in catg. 1 . The matter is placed for review .

687 Gaddeswarup January 7, 2016 at 6:02 pm

Aah1953 was dubbed as Prema Lekhalu in Telugu. In one song, I just noticed that the A.M.Rajasings first in Telugu whereas in Hindi version Lata Mangeshkar sings first. The Telugu version here http://youtu.be/hmNU6GrY810 Hindi version http://youtu.be/sver9O8K3t8

688 mumbaikar8 January 12, 2016 at 11:57 pm

ksbhatiaji,
It has been a while I have discussed any song with you.
In continuance of your Roza song for Rafi let me move to a Sehra sung by Rafi in Pak Daman.
I remember it glaring on loudspeakers from marriage pandals ( Good old when I was kid:)
Mubarak ho dulha dulhan lo ye shadi from Pak Daman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3o-TqxcV5k#t=159

689 AK January 13, 2016 at 10:01 am

Mumbaikar8,
Permit to enter and thank you profusely for refreshing my memory of this wonderful song. I was struck by its similarity to Naushad’s music, expecially its resemblance to Tere sadke balam, and then I noticed it was Ghulam Mohammad. Yet, full marks to him. I also thought of the irony of this song being forgotten, and an average song Baharo phool barsaao becoming a ‘great’ wedding song.

690 ksbhatia January 13, 2016 at 3:44 pm

Mumbaikar8 , AK ji ;
Many many thanks for this beautiful oldie song of Rafi sahib . This song along with …Chhoad babul ka ghar …..were essential ones to be played during wedding functions and biddaai times . Babul ki duain leti jaa …is still another bidaai song which is regularly played . Mera yaar bana hai dulah….from Chaudvin ka chand was another wedding song of the mid 60s. I think Naushad , S J , Ravi made such songs quite popular during peak of their careers . One can not forget Lata’s beautiful rendering….. Raja ki ayegi barat……a masterly composition of S J.

AK ji , You have really captured the pulse and beat of Rafi saheb song . I am also surprised of its similarity with the tune of Amar’s song . Even the interludes are like of the same composition .

Since the subject of biddai have come up in between , I am uploading one such song from old movie New Delhi .
Gori tere sapnoan ke sajna……Lata , Chorus…..SJ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymkfbETJSqc

691 AK January 13, 2016 at 5:52 pm

KS Bhatiaji,
The New Delhi song is joyous, but the bride seems to be sad. There are some more wedding songs of joy where the ladies are oblivious of the turmoil going inside the bride.

692 mumbaikar8 January 13, 2016 at 6:17 pm

AK,
Thanks for appreciation.
Incidentally when recently I heard this song I thought about how Naushad and Ghulam Mohamed influenced each other’s music and how Baharon phool barsao pushed this soulful Sehra into oblivion.

ksbhatiaji.
Thanks.
I do not much like Babul ki duayen leke ja .l feel that Rafi has gone overboard at times ( I have heard the story of his duaghter’s bidai and him getting emotional).
But the fact is whenever I felt Rafi had gone overboard that song had hit the popularity chart, that proves the Music Directors knew better.

693 ksbhatia January 13, 2016 at 11:22 pm

AK ji; @691 ,
The bride [ Jabeen ] is sad as the marriage is against her will . The situation is similar to Chori Chori song……Manbhavan ke ghar jai gori….in which Nargis is forced to marry Pran against her wishes . This is also a beautiful song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cND0Hi97GfI
That reminds me of one of the best song [ not related to the topic ] by Lata ji …..Rasik balma…. from the same movie . This song is entirely Jaikishan’s composition .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4HdSygZrnc

Mumbaikar8;
I agree with you . The emotional lines seems to be enforced upon Rafi sahib resulting in the dilution of his rendering . On the other hand the Seema song ….kahan ja raha hai ……had a natural emotional throttle . Jaikishan was addement not to rerecord this song because of its correct natural emotional rendering . Convincing Shanker was a little harder for him .

AK ji,
Above two songs were for the situation when the brides marriage to the hero was forced upon her against her wishes . Well here is the one where happiness prevails in every frame of the song . One of the best by Lata ji’s song and Vyjantimala’s beautiful expressive mood and dance .
…..sun re sakhi mohe sajna bulaye…..Nagin…..Hemant kumar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8KH_irQSec

694 Gaddeswarup January 14, 2016 at 3:36 pm

ksbhatiaji at 693, Richard Singer has a couple posts on this topic https://roughinhere.wordpress.com/2011/11/02/dancing-up-a-storm-while-the-bride-suffers-at-her-unwanted-wedding/ and https://roughinhere.wordpress.com/2010/08/02/unwanted-weddings/ and may be more. There are some links in the comments too. Regards, swarup

695 Gaddeswarup January 14, 2016 at 4:08 pm

Ksbhatiaji, Another theme I have wondering about. There seem to be several excellent songs with ‘ nain mile’ ‘mile nain’ or slight variations thereof. I wonder whether you will mention a few good ones at some stage. One of my favourites so far is a Pakistani song http://youtu.be/s30geA0gWxs

696 mumbaikar8 January 14, 2016 at 9:03 pm

Ksbhatiaji,
Thanks for sharing the anecdote about SJ I did not know it.
I personally believe that MD who could tap Rafi’s talent to fullest was SDB. Tang aa chuke hai fron Pyasa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf0LsH0Chf4

697 ksbhatia January 15, 2016 at 12:16 am

Mumbaikar8 ;
I think not only SDB almost all the MDs of golden era like Naushad , SJ, MM , Roshan , O P N and others were as effective in utilising Rafi’s great talent . Not only range it matter most was rafi sahib’s effective modulation of words .
Tang aa chuke hain ….is of course beautiful verse rendering .
After a long time I have come across two similar songs that span ten years in between their composition . Listen to them and get surprised.

1.Raakh na ramakadaa…..Geeta dutt, A R Oza….Mangal Phera.[1949]…Avinash Vyas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSe9doG9qwI
2.Tora manwa kyun gabhraye re…..Geeta dutt…Sadhna[ 1959]….N. Dutta

698 ksbhatia January 15, 2016 at 12:18 am

…..in continuation
tora manwa…….https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVjHjfWd3cE

699 mumbaikar8 January 15, 2016 at 5:54 am

Ksbhatiaji,
I will surprise more, this tune was used by Avinash Vyas himself in hindi movie Dashavtar 1951 before N dutta used it in Sadhana
Dashavtar: Khel re khilone teri kaya aanijani re
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doQpgbf1UFI

700 AK January 15, 2016 at 10:35 pm

KS Bhatiaji, Mumbaikar8
Just thought I should refresh your memory that this song and its versions were first mentioned by Ashok Vaishnavji in his post on Hindi-Gujarati version songs.

701 ksbhatia January 15, 2016 at 10:51 pm

AK ji9;
Oh, thats great ! Any how I enjoyed listening to all of these version songs. I suppose being bhakti pooja song they all were like that.

702 ksbhatia January 15, 2016 at 11:19 pm

Gaddeswarup ji; @695,
Thanks for the links . Richard gave quite a number of songs from Pakistani movies . I suppose there are many such songs in Indian punjabi movies as well, in fact in practically every other movie carried such songs . Here is one such song from Bhangra .
cheti doli toar babula….Shamshad , chorus….Bhangra…Hansraj Behl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UNcwLd60Jw

703 ksbhatia January 15, 2016 at 11:43 pm

Here is mine good night sad melody of the day .
Aye mohabat meri duniya mein tera kaam na tha……….Bees sal baad…….Hemant and Shakeel at their best .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoZEaY9ghjc

704 mumbaikar8 January 16, 2016 at 3:35 am

AK,
I had a doubt that the similarity of Rakh na rarmakda and Tora manva kyoon gabhraye was discussed somewhere but did not know where.
The song from Dashavtar song khel re khone teri kaya aani jaani was not.

705 Ravindra Kelkar January 16, 2016 at 11:53 am

Dear All,
Today is OP Nayyar’s birthday. I post this song, as a rememberance, the number one OP duet for me – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beqTRIpoos8

706 ksbhatia January 16, 2016 at 5:11 pm

Ravindra Kelkar’ji ;
Thanks for reminding O P Nayyar ‘s birthday . A very versatile MD of the era’s gone by . A perfectionist in his own right . Very lovable of his Rock N’ Role and traditional punjabi based tunes . Started his career with some of his finest tunes in Aasman . Here is one birthday song from Aasman itself .
Geeta dutt and chorus….. Pom pom pom baja bole……
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PovD-ZkFr7c

The interlude of this song was so popular that it became the signature tune of Binaca Geet Mala during 50s .

707 atina January 16, 2016 at 9:04 pm

ravindra kelkar # 705
after a duet here is an AB solo composed by OPN on his b’day :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1asF6O45Bg(…poochho na hamen ham unke liye.. from Mitti mein sona/1960/RMA Khan..). it seems this song has, atleast, 2 paras while the link has only one para in AB’s voice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNPyfc5QQiY is a rendering by sangeeta melekar and has 2 paras. the 2nd one can be heard from 3:10 onwards.

708 AK January 16, 2016 at 10:41 pm

KS Bhatiaji,
Where was this outstanding song hiding? Heard it for the first time. Hemant Kumar adapted this tune in Humne dekhi hai un aankhon ki mahakati khushboo to great effect.

709 Ravindra Kelkar January 17, 2016 at 12:17 am

KS Bhatiyaji,
Yes, you are right about the Aasman song, it was the signature tune for Binaca Geetmala, when it started.

AKji,
Did you really hear the Aasman song for the first time? If so, then
since you are not an OP fan(which of course, you have hinted in many of your posts), you are likely to get many such wonderful surprises in future also…..this I am saying in a lighter vein…so don’t take it seriously, I mean no offence…..Actually you are in a way lucky, I now have exhausted all OP offerings, so I look for such surprises from other MDs, in your write ups on SOY, as well as in the songs posted by the knowledgable readers in the comments.

atina,
You are right about the Mitti Me Sona song. Obviously it has two antaras, but due to limitations of the 78 rpm record, only one antara could be accomodated in 3:15 minutes. There are many such songs of earlier era, I remember “Jaiye Aap Kaha Jayenge” from Mere Sanam & “Aaja Mere Pyar ke Sahare” as well as “Kitna Haseen Hai Yeh Jahan” from Humsaya had only one antara in the 78 rpm record. Fortunately, later on HMV released the LPs of these films where we got the full song. However, there is no Video DVD available for Mitti Me Sona & hence we have only one antara available on the record. But thanks for the link which has two antaras, I had heard it before. The lyrics are by Raja Mehendi Ali Khan & they are wonderful.

710 AK January 17, 2016 at 12:38 am

Ravindra Kelkar,
Probably we are talking of different songs. I was referring to KS Bhatiaji’s offering in #703 Ae mohabbat meri duniya mein tera kaam na tha from Bees Saal Baad. This I was hearing for the first time, but I instantly recognised that Hemant Kumar used the same tune later in Humne dekhi hai in aankhon ki mahakati khushboo in Khamoshi. My fault, because I should have realised he had posted another song after that.

711 gaddeswarup January 17, 2016 at 2:05 am

A suggestion: Is it possible to add a ‘like’ button to comments? While browsing through comments, it may help focus on some.

712 mumbaikar8 January 17, 2016 at 7:18 am

Remembering O P Nayyar with songs of two singers he liked but did not work enough.
Geeta Dutt In 12 O Clock kaisa jadu balam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nx2CNe1ACpY

Talat in Baaz Mujhe dekho hasrat ki tasveer hoon maim
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEpvclPJ1-Q

713 mumbaikar8 January 17, 2016 at 7:28 am

AK,
I tried listening both the songs ay mohabbat teri duniya me tera kaam na tha and Humne dekhi un aankhon ki mehakti khoosboon back to back but do not find it similar.

714 AK January 17, 2016 at 1:06 pm

Mumbaikar8,
I heard it again, and again I felt similarity. Let us see if others notice it.

715 ksbhatia January 17, 2016 at 11:41 pm

AK, Ravindra Kelkar[jis], Mumbaikar8;
Thanks . I knew this song …. aye mohabbat….. will attract many listeners because of its sheer magical quality . Not only the song that is masterly crafted in terms of its beautiful lyrics and composition but for Lata’s emotional rendering to each and every word as well . To top it all by Waheeda ji’s expressive acting making each frame a beauty to find place atop fireplace of every vintage art collector. If I remember correctly , this movie got many filmfare awards including best song [ kahin deep jale kahin dil ] , best music , best lyrics , best B @ W photography, best editing, best film [ ? ] etc .

I Think many will agree that this song should have been clubbed with ….kahin deep jale….song as co-winner of best song [ Lata , Shakeel ]…… or may be better .

Now I think this song ….aye mohabat…. carries an un parallel song tag
and deserve not to be weighed against any other song. But, at the back of your mind one just reallise that Hemant ji [ in hamne dekhi hai ] sort of remoulded this song by giving it a little faster beat and pace , keeping the same orchestration that resulted in different style and scale .
I will vote the two songs to be on different platform.

716 ksbhatia January 19, 2016 at 12:31 am

My good night sleep song of today ……..Hai zindgi usiki jo hans hans ke de guzar…… Lata ji…..Poonam [1952]……SJ.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zDSo0PKKUA
This melody should be a taste of every one’s cup .

717 ksbhatia January 19, 2016 at 11:43 pm

AK ji ;
Revisiting my old collection of SJ’s most beautiful crafted songs decorated with jewels of Shailendra and Hasrat Jaipuri . Hope this will find many thumbs up .

1.Hum dard ke maroan ka…….Talat…….Daag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRlfzE9WbW0
2.Koi nahin hai mera is jahan mein………Talat….Daag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZdbCDSLHig
3. Andhe jahan ke andhe raaste….Talat…….Patita
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_QKUWk6anI
4.Tujhe apne paas bulati hai teri duniya….Talat….Patita
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhN4ucpcOOA

I will leave with a happy note for my good night sleep song :
……..Kisine apna bana ke mujhko ……..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmSsc9AnQEo

718 AK January 20, 2016 at 7:21 am

You are in a Talat-SJ mood! You have left out Ae mere dil kahin aur chal? A good one is in Shikast.

719 ksbhatia January 22, 2016 at 12:04 am

AK ji;
With winter in high mode in delhi and north india sunshine is depriving all of us to counter the chill . The …..thandi hawa …..songs are adding more chill to this weather .
……Thandi hawain lehrake aayen……
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1TtVax2t-s
…….Thandi hawa yeh chandni suhani…….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-AJ7HxlUFU
…….Thandi thandi hawa pooche uska pataa…….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6qpIY3x2LM
These songs and hot water bottle…….my good night sleep songs.

720 ksbhatia January 22, 2016 at 11:24 pm

AK ji;
Some time back reference cropped up of Dholak song …chori chori aag se laga ke….as one of your fav. song . Well I have found one more song similar in beats and rhythm . Hope you will like it.
………Chori choriaag se laga ke……..Dholak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0JKLvRADwg
……..Chalo chalo chale hum…..Alibaba and 40 Thieves
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY02XKRI4lk

721 ksbhatia January 22, 2016 at 11:35 pm

My good night sleep song
……Jhomti hai nazar jhoomta hai pyar…..Rafi, Asha…..Alibaba and 40 Thieves.[ 1956]…..S N Tripathi .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R06cYj0MpKY
One of the best duet and very different from many of S N Tripathi’s other classical songs .

722 ksbhatia January 25, 2016 at 4:25 pm

A small correction for above . The movie is Hatimtai and not Alibaba……

723 ksbhatia January 27, 2016 at 10:47 pm

AK ji ;
After witnessing Republic Day celebrations thru out the country a wish list of songs based on cities / villages / mohallas / rivers crop up in my mind. As a first of such songs I am posting a song from Lahore….A beautiful duet by Lata ji and Karan Dewan and music by Shayam Sunder…..
……..Dunya hamare pyar ki yun hi jawan rahe….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emO9aQbCHcs

724 Ravindra Kelkar January 28, 2016 at 2:54 pm

Dear All,
It’s OP Nayyar’s 9th death aniversary today. As a tribute, I post link to the first song recorded by OP in his film music career from the film Aasman sung by CH Atma –
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RFjRr7WPy8

725 ksbhatia January 30, 2016 at 12:30 am

A K , Ravindra Kelkar [ ji’s ] ;
O P Nayyar started with unique sad songs in his first film itself and moved on to some lively musical high beat songs that made every one to put on their dancing shoes . He made us feel as his best listeners and dancers to his fast based melodies when rock n role was in vough . He was perfect fit for spy movies loaded with guns , gals and guitars . Of course horse beats were his signature Id .

While looking for some more sad songs , I was bowled over by this beautiful meloncoly song by Lata ji from Hoor E Arab with music by Ghulam Mohd.
…………….Dar dar ki thokerien hain……
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K91_fPISXpE

726 Ravindra Kelkar January 30, 2016 at 1:39 pm

KS Bhatiyaji,
A very fine song you have posted from Hoor E Arab. One of the innumerable Lata songs of similar type/situation/words, but still of top quality. In case of Lata, I suppose it’s the more the merrier (though these songs are of sad mood).

727 mumbaikar8 January 30, 2016 at 9:50 pm
728 ksbhatia January 30, 2016 at 11:43 pm

Peace for all on this day.
….Allah tero naam……Lata ji……Hum Dono…..Jaidev
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-D79D7m64B8

729 ksbhatia January 31, 2016 at 12:30 am

Ms Mumbaikar8 , AKji, Ravindra Kelkar ji , Jignesh Katodia ji ;
A very rare sweet melody par excellence by one and only Lata ji in the relatively unknown film…Saloni ….with music by Basant Prakash , yet again little known MD .
….Meri veena ke sur saat re…..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hf6Aymj6OHY
Posting this song after listening it several time . Hope every one will like it.

730 Ravindra Kelkar January 31, 2016 at 3:05 pm

kabhatiyaji,
A very fine song indeed, the musical interludes are very interesting. Somehow, the song reminds me of some other familiar song, which I am unable to locate. However, I wonder, why the tune is so meloncholic ? The words of the song are of philosophical nature, with no hint of sadness.

731 Rudolph Lambert Fernandez January 31, 2016 at 9:36 pm
732 AK February 1, 2016 at 8:32 am

Rudolph Lambert Fernandez,
Welcome to SoY and thanks a lot for introducing us to your lovely article. I must say your article enhances the beauty of the song. And come to think of it, the setting is most commonplace: the first bridal night when the husband gets to have a glimpse of his wife for the first time. Only the eternal romantic Guru Dutt – the ‘eccentric genius’ – who was a master of song picturisation, could have infused so much beauty in the song.

733 ksbhatia February 1, 2016 at 4:04 pm

AK’ji ;
A beautiful analysis of chaudvin ka chand song by Mr. R L Fernandez . Really you don’t have to be a master of the language to understand the words , it is the masterful contribution of the various artiste that brings out their very best . Camera movement , following each line of the song and capturing beautiful expressions has been masterly captured . Guru dutt was the master of picturisation of songs and this fact can be seen in almost all of his movies .
As far as waheeda ji’s performance …I think she excelled in each frame of this song . Here I will recall her song …..Aye mohabbat meri duniya mein tera kam na tha….from Bees saal baad . Watching this song , frame by frame , is a treat for the passionate lovers of poetry translating into beautiful visual treatment by Artiste , Cameraman and Editor . Of course the beauty of the lyrics and composer’s composition of the matching tune is a pre – requiste for such songs to get the milestone status .
…..Prem Jogan ban ke …….from Mughal E Azam is another such song [ though not a wedding night song ] which has achieved milestone datum as the most romantic scene ever filmed .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEIE87CAMXA

Bees Saal Baad song…..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSAhlLYnkK4

734 ksbhatia February 1, 2016 at 4:20 pm

Ravindra Kelkar ji ;
Perhaps you are looking for …….Mera chota sa dekho yeh sansar hai…..song from Bhai Bhai .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQgW2TIxaz0

Or , perhaps a 1942/1944 song from an old movie starring Vyjantimala’s mother which I am not able to recall .

Saloni song is not available in movie /song format . It is difficult to asses the sadness factor quoted by you .

735 ksbhatia February 3, 2016 at 12:23 am

Ms Mumbaikar8 ;
One more addition to Wai Wai songs :
……..Aye hoon badi door se……Suman Kalyanpur….Sakhi Robin…Robin Bannerjee
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iem7QMIiikY
I know there is one more such song from a film of the likes of Arabian fantasy movies starring Ajit which i am not able to locate . so the subject is still alive .

736 Rudolph Lambert Fernandez February 3, 2016 at 5:21 pm

Many thanks “AK” & “ksbhatia”. Today is Waheeda’s birthday so I very much hope you will share the article widely in your circles. Very best wishes

737 mumbaikar8 February 3, 2016 at 6:01 pm

ksbhatiaji,
I am kind of busy last few days, have less time for music.
I will try to search the song you are looking for soon, till then I am enjoying the songs you are posting.

738 ksbhatia February 3, 2016 at 11:58 pm

AK’ji;
My good night sleep songs . This time two from the treasure of Salil Da .
……Sawan ki raatoan mein aisa bhi hota hai……Talat, Lata ji…..Prem patra
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKHr_afJM90
………..Thandi thandi saawan ki phhuwar…Asha ji….Jagte Raho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tCiGRyh7vA

739 ksbhatia February 8, 2016 at 11:25 pm

AK ji ;
A beautiful rare song by Asha ji from …..Duniya hai dil waloan ki….with Jimmy as MD .
……..Dil liya gam diya kya kiya…..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv657z0FXEM

740 A. N. Gandhe February 9, 2016 at 5:19 pm

I do not know why i have to do this again. I was already subscribed.

741 AK February 9, 2016 at 10:31 pm

AN Gandhe,
I don’t know myself. I face the same thing often with Anuradha Warrier’s blog to which I have sebscribed. But thanks for persisting.

742 ksbhatia February 11, 2016 at 11:10 pm

AK’ji ;
After a break from the main stream songs I was listening to the great melodies of Naushad sahib’s songs and came across this wonderful song/music that he has left us for years to enjoy . The song is just a one liner having the longest prelude [5.30 m] and perhaps with longest choral singing as well . The song …..Ab raat milan ki….is by Rafi from the film Jadoo . I have heard many lengthy dance numbers in various movies [ like dream sequence of Aan] by Naushad sahib , but being this, as a song , stand clears from the rest .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiL5aO8UzBo

743 ksbhatia February 11, 2016 at 11:28 pm

……in continuation
Another such song with longest prelude music/choral is by Shanker Jaikishan in the movie April Fool . The song is …..Aa gale lag ja mere sapne mere apne……by Rafi . The longer version is not available on YT . Another longest prelude music/choral song by SJ is ….Dil ke jhaokhe mein …from Brahamchari.

744 AK February 12, 2016 at 6:33 am

KS Bhatiaji,
Thanks for sharing this. This is indeed a long dance, but didn’t have much of Rafi’s song.

745 gaddeswarup February 15, 2016 at 3:34 pm

A Hindi song from A telugu film Tyagayya 1946
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0ans2xSbpU
by Jayavanthi Devi http://www.thehindu.com/fr/2005/11/11/stories/2005111104350200.htm
Lyrics by J.A.Rahman (?)

746 AK February 15, 2016 at 10:10 pm

Gaddeswarupji,
Is there something wrong with the audio of the first song? The song seems to be mute.

747 gaddeswarup February 16, 2016 at 11:15 am

AKji at #746. It seems fine on my laptop as well as iPad. There were other instances of Hindi songs and other language songs. In Telugu films. One film Bhakta Prahlada had even some conversations in different languages. Here the accent seems South Indian. So I wondered how others would react to it and I was also curious about the song and whether it is well known in the north at some stage.

748 AK February 17, 2016 at 5:13 pm

Gaddeswaru[ji,
I could hear the song. Wonderful! Thanks a lot. I am aware of several Hindi songs in Bengali films. But this must be a rare case in a South Indian language film. The song is a typical Urdu ghazal, sung in the style of 40s.

749 ksbhatia February 19, 2016 at 12:19 am

My good night song……
….Main dil hun ek arman bharraa…..
Talat……Anhonee……Roshan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ6wD5K9R5Y

750 ksbhatia February 26, 2016 at 12:29 am

My good night song….
…..Nazon ke pale…….
Talat……Shahenshah……….SDB
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGQDWASm_dQ

The prelude of this beautiful song is heard in one of the SJs old movie also . I have to catch up with that .

751 ksbhatia February 28, 2016 at 12:31 am

Rafi saheb , greatest singer at his sweetest best ….
1……Mere geeton ka singhar ho tum……[ Non filmi]…..Khayaam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RS4SBGDiiB4
2……Main kab gata………..[ Non filmi ]………MD[?]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFA78pUW3nU

3. Gazab kiya tere wade ne……..[ Non filmi]……Khayaam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yinsk0nHrQo

752 addeswarup March 4, 2016 at 3:57 am
753 addeswarup March 4, 2016 at 4:10 am

Is this a genuine version song?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPm5vfKuLjs

754 AK March 4, 2016 at 3:34 pm

Gaddeswarupji,
By removing one letter from your name you have tested the computer’s limitations. It kept your comments for moderation.

Both songs are a wonderful find. Everything about Aao kabhi milne is rare. Not only the singer Dolly Qwatra (HFGK mentions Kaatrak), the lyricist Shambul Haque Shams and the music director, Suleman Dafrani, are unknown names. It is listed under Appendix, which is for films which could not be released, but whose songs were released.

Aa ja sanam madhur chandni me hum is a genuine version song in the sense another set of famous singers (at least one of them, Geeta Dutt) has sung the well known duet. However, this is not in any film; they might have sung it in some concert. I do not know whether Ashok M Vaishnav would count it under his MVS type, because such songs are too many.

755 Gaddeswarup March 4, 2016 at 4:28 pm

AKJi at 754. Sorry. It was early in the morning and I have not been sleeping well and the laptop usually omits g unless I press it hard and the iPad keeps changing spellings. A collaborator from Michigan has been here for seven weeks and I had to get back to mathematics and usually I do not sleep well when I do mathematics intensely. Anyway the work seemed to be essentially over a couple of days ago and started browsing songs again. Thanks for the information and I wonder how many interesting songs are still out there.

756 Gaddeswarup March 4, 2016 at 5:18 pm
757 ksbhatia March 9, 2016 at 12:06 am

Sweet sad song by Asha ji from Saranga , a beautiful composition by Sardar malik . Nice picturisation and acting as well .

…..Chali re chali main to desh paraaye……..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGk8Z1lJjEE

Surely a delight for sad songs collectors.

758 ksbhatia March 16, 2016 at 12:00 am

AK ji and all others @729 ;
After listening to Basant Prakash ‘s melody ……Meri veena ke sur saat re….from Saloni I have come across another melodious song by Lata ji by the same composer , Basant Prakash , from the old movie Badnam . The song is of repeattive quality , soothing and hence chosen for good night sleep .
…….Sajan tumse pyar karun mein …….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nS2hjx4CVo

759 ksbhatia March 27, 2016 at 1:04 pm

AK ji;
Posting of two sad songs @56 of ….Ode to the great indian family…..reminds me of another sad english song which I use to listen during mid 70s .
A very emotional song …..Nobody’s child…..by Karen Young
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs9Lt1QEyLA

760 ksbhatia March 31, 2016 at 3:11 pm

One more addition to wai wai songs…..

….Husn majedar ji…..Shamshad , chorus….Sindbad the sailor….Chitragupt….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvT84Q_itCY

761 ksbhatia April 5, 2016 at 12:04 am

Varinder Sharma ji ;
Dattaram’s oldies . SJ’s assistant at his best in Qaidi no 911 .

Tere teer ko hamne pyar se ……Lata., chorus….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7ya51_Vgis

Yeh khile khile taare……Lata, chorus……

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euAkpUKTss0

762 ksbhatia April 22, 2016 at 11:59 pm

AK ji ; Enjoying the soft songs for my evening time to share with others.

1. Jhoomti hai nazar jhoomta hai pyar……Rafi, Asha….Hatimtai…SNT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R06cYj0MpKY

2. Dil ki baazi jeet ke bhi haare….Rafi…Madan manjari….Sardar Malik

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KK-0e0bjDA

3. Tere hum o sanam…..Rafi, suman……Bachpan…..Sardar Malik

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYqOKsQYZQY

4. Tu kahan mein kahan……Suman Kalyanpur….Vazr e Azam….Robin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGDQHUMmvw0

763 gaddeswarup April 23, 2016 at 9:59 am
764 gaddeswarup May 11, 2016 at 3:38 pm

Another Quereshi, Iqbql http://youtu.be/6klAHAdi3bc

765 gaddeswarup May 11, 2016 at 4:05 pm

Oops.i was a bit confused by various Quereshis and hence the comment at 764.

766 ksbhatia May 15, 2016 at 11:21 pm

Gaddeswarup’ji ;
The beautiful duet of Lata, Geeta dutt……Ta thaiya karte aana……already exists in the main AK’s theme of forgotten composers unforgotten melodies on Iqbal Qureshi .

Meanwhile, here is rarest of the rare duet of Mukesh and Shamshad begam [ i am not sure wheather she is the singer here ] . The film is unknown . Some one may have some idea .

…..Mr Mizazi aapa chorusta pe atkiyaji……Film and MD ….unknown.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Jy0AQJKNY8

767 ksbhatia May 15, 2016 at 11:30 pm

……in cntinuation……

Yes the film is Dhani Lugaai , a rajasthani movie of 1964 . MD is still unknown . Any way a good old comedy song heard for the first time .

768 gaddeswarup May 17, 2016 at 1:59 pm
769 ksbhatia June 4, 2016 at 2:41 pm

Sad to know the demise of Suresh Chatwal . A simple man with great talent. He was a Butlarian [ Harcourt Butler higher secondary school , mandir marg, new delhi ] of 1963 batch and was my class mate . He had big dreams of becoming film star at that point of time and pursued his dream joining FTII ,Pune.
A fav. of Hrishikesh mukerji , played Jaya Bahaduri’s brother in Milli , a small role but very nicely played. He was famous for his role in TV serial Nukkad .
May his soul rest in peace .

770 ksbhatia June 11, 2016 at 1:32 pm

Arvinder Sharma ji, Ms. Mumbaikar 8 ;
Another addition to whistle songs…

Jahan jahan khayal jaata hai……Rafi, Geeta….Bade Sarkar…..OPN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWqG6MO_EIA

771 R Vasudevan June 28, 2016 at 4:25 pm

I open a new topic – Music directors of Golden Era

The Golden period of Hindi film songs was between 1950 to 1970 and some say 1945 to 1965 or 1955 to 1975 but I would settle with the first stated. During this liveliest period of music there were about 35 music
directors in Hindi films and I categorise them as follows:

1. Melody Makers – Ravi, Madan Mohan, OP Naayar , Salil chowdhry, Hemanthkumar, Chitragupta, Roshan. These were the composers whose bench mark was Only melody and thing else.
2. All rounders – Shankar Jaikishan, Laxmi-Pyare, Kalyanji Anandji,, SD Burman, C Ramachandra, Naushad, R Burman. They are besides melody makers are capab;e of scoring any type of songs from Quwali to Bhajan, from juicy melody to gazals, from classical to pop and what not.
3. Highly talented but did not get many assignments to score music for films but they deserve to. – Jaidev, Khayam, GS Koli, Iqbal quereshi,Ramlal – You take any of the films even at randim one can find great many hits in each of their films.

If we make a list of 210 songs (10 per year from 1950 to 1970) 80percent of this list will be songs composed by all above said composers. The remaining 20percent in my opinion are the other
composers whom I have not mentioned.

The style of composition of these categorised composers differed but
they all lived up to the expectation and it is difficult to name the best
of all music directors or to list out top ten composers. Such was the compeition and such was their creation and contribution to the era of Golden musical period.

I now invite members view of the categorisation and also their own
opinion on other aspects of golde era such as lyrics, rendering etc.

This is my maiden topic in this fine music based website and I hope
members would join freely to offer their views. Thank you in anticipation.

772 AK June 29, 2016 at 2:24 pm

Mr Vasudevan,
Let me offer my first comment. Upfront let me say this is a very nice way of categorisation. As for specifics, in the first category I am wholeheartedly with Salil Chaudhary, Hemant Kumar, Roshan and Chitragupta. One should also add SN Tripathi in this list. Madan Mohan too one can accept. But OP Nayyar? I thought he was known as the Rythm King.

2. Second category. Surprisingly, in spite of being a great fan of Naushad, I don’t rate him very highly as all-rounder. Post-50s, he is focussed primarily on Rafi and Lata Mangeshkar. One aspect of diversity is also the singers, in which SD Burman is head and shoulders above the others.

3. There would be many. Sajjad Husain, Jamal Sen.

A small point about housekeeping. The main vehicle for carrying on discussion or inviting readers’ comments is a substantive post or an article. If we carry the main discussion on Open House, it would swamp and overtake the blog. Therefore, we may have to adapt a theme for an article, but thanks a lot for this new idea.

773 R Vasudevan June 29, 2016 at 7:04 pm

Thank you Mr AK for your guidance. I am new to this web site and
has not gone thro the various articles, write up etc. I shall be reading
them one by one.

But I have fairly a very good knowledge on Music directors and also
about the songs of the Golden era as I have been hearing Vivida bharathi from my school days, Radio Ceylon, and a few more AIR stations.
Articles on music which was regularly written in Filmfare (mostly by
Raju Bharathan, Pritish Nanday) Uday Tara Pillai’s column in Screen
newspaper and in Illustrated weekly when Khuswant Singh was its
editor was ready by me with great interest. These were my source on information about Music directors,songs etc. Slowly these kind of articles disappeared.

My music directors list does not include stalwarts like Anil Biswas,
Sajjad Husain, Jamal Sen to name some as I rarely heard their compositions except in Bhule Bisre geeth programme that is aired in VB every morning from 0700 to 0730. Although I am a Tamilian and
has been hearing Tamil movie songs from 1950 to 1980 with same
interest but my passion for Hindi old songs is much more than Tamil.

I will shortly come up with an article and I assure you it will be
on a good topic thoroughly researched. Everyone learn from mistakes and improve on guidance and advise of others.

774 AK June 29, 2016 at 10:16 pm

Mr Vasudevan,
That is very exciting. Thanks for your interest. We would be looking forward to it.

775 ksbhatia July 2, 2016 at 1:05 pm

AK ji ;
While browsing thru some of the songs of golden period I struck upon some songs which conveys the mood of ….Rahi[ traveller ]…., happy , sad or romantic ….and came upon the idea as to why not have an article or a mini series on Open House . Yourself can explore such songs and right upon the theme…Rahi .

Meanwhile if we decide upon mini series here I can roll one beautiful song from Devdas [ 0ld ] as a starter .

Maanzil ki chaah mein…..Rafi and chorus….Devdas[1955]….SDB

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtcnkjlduDw

776 AK July 3, 2016 at 1:08 am

KS Bhatiaji,
Thanks for reminding. When I did river, boat and boatman songs, this was mentioned because there are parallels.

777 Arunkumar Deshmukh July 8, 2016 at 6:42 pm

Venkataraman ji and AK ji,

When my article on the Sassi song was posted there was lot of discussion in the RMIM as well as by Emails with Ahay Jain, Dr.Surjit singh ji,Sudhir ji and many others who wrote their opinions.
However nthing was concluded because it is truly difficult since none of the concerned people are available for clarifications and whatever documents are available are vague and create more questions than providing answers to existing questions.
I quote, to start with what Sudhir ji wrote to me ( in part) in his mail.
” I am also attaching an email thread on this topic, initiated by Abhay Jain ji of USA. This communications is as recent as ten days ago, and involves Surjit ji, and other people.

There are additional points in both the above sources, some of which are not yet laid to rest. In some ways, it appears that the original film which was probably being produced in Lahore initially, was shelved, possibly due to partition and possible lack of resources and immediate funding. Further, it appears that it may have been restarted when GA Chisti migrated to Pakistan in 1949. Further, it appears that the songs of the original 1946 unreleased version were published on 78 rpm records. When the film was restarted, and finally released in 1954 in Pakistan, it is possible that the songs could not be published again on 78 rpm, due to copyright reasons. Originally in 1946, the records would have been released under the label of HMV India, and 1954, within less than a decade, it may not have been possible to re-release the same songs under the label of HMV Pakistan.

I have the set of six songs that are referred to in the above communications, as being the songs from the unreleased film from sometimes around 1946.

One important thing is that this song is not sung by Asha Posle. As per the research by Vidur Sury and inputs from Mushtaq Abdullah Sb and Zahoor Chuadhry Sb, the voice behind this song is of Parveen Kausar – originally in 1946 as well as in 1954 when it was released. It is picturized on Asha Posle, as per comments from Vidur Sury ji.

From the entire discussion later on things which became clear are
1. The original film was being produced in lahore in 1946 or so.
2. This song is sung by Parveen kausar and NOT Asha Posley, though Shalin Bhatt stresses that it is Asha Posley only.
3. Ahay jain states, ” Zafar Bhai (Zafar Chaudhari, writer of the book quoted by Surjit singh ji) had clearly stated that the music of the song is originally created by Chisti and had been used by Hemant kumar later for film Shart”
So, it is confirmed that this is originally Chisti’s composition.
Chisti became saintly in his last days and when he was interviewed by Zahoor Chaudhari, he probably did not want any controversy so he must have said that he took permission of Hemant kumar..this is Zahoor’s opinion-not mine.
The article about J C Anand is known to me and I too have read it much earlier. Additionally lot of information about Anand family was given by Cineplot blogger Siddiqi to me in a discussion on RMIM after my series ” Gems from the Migrators”, which had created ripples in India and Pakistan too.
Any amount of discussion on pre-partition matter is unlike to lead to confirmed conclusions, ut one can deduce from available data.
Now ,I hope , it should be clear why I stick to my stand in this case.
-AD

778 N Venkataraman July 8, 2016 at 7:36 pm

Thank you Arun Ji.
I am glad that I revived the topic, else I would not have been privy to the information provided by you. Let me make it clear once again that my intention was not to question your stand, on the contrary I was looking for further information as I have said earlier. Thanks once again.

779 Arunkumar Deshmukh July 8, 2016 at 8:30 pm

N.Venkataraman ji,
I know you did not have any ulterior motive.
Good that I got an opportunity to clarify matters once again.
Problem with old matters is lack of solid proof in documentation.
-AD

780 AK July 8, 2016 at 10:02 pm

Arunji,
This is very clear. Thanks a lot. From this one thing that can be said is that this tune was first made by GA Chishti. If he said he took Hemant Kumar’s permission that was his statement and that may not have been the case.

If the above sequence is correct the only inference is that Hemant Kumar got to know of this tune somehow.

781 Arunkumar Deshmukh July 9, 2016 at 9:41 am

AK ji,

Sudhir ji has already said that he has all the 6 songs of old film Sassi and the records had also been issued of those songs, so it was not difficult for Hemant kumar to get the tune. He took advantage of film Sassi being incomplete and unreleased plus the composer had migrated to Pakistan.
-AD

782 Mahesh July 18, 2016 at 1:37 am

https://youtu.be/1ESncKhjpXg

Nisbat 1949 under Govindram. ( Can be posted in 1949 or stars post but I am posting it here)

HFGK and Atul ji’s blog also says Rafi saab and Shamshad Begum.
But the female voice does not sound like Shamshad Begum to me.
Someone please correct me.

Thanks.

783 AK July 18, 2016 at 9:49 am

Mahesh,
You have raised an interesting point. The female voice seems a combination of many voices to me: p1 % Shamshad Begum, p2 % Rajkumari, p3 % Suraiya, p4 % Zohrabai Ambalewali etc.

784 mumbaikar8 July 19, 2016 at 8:49 am
785 AK July 19, 2016 at 10:27 am

Mumbaikar8,
Sad news, especially because I had an occasion to meet her.
https://www.songsofyore.com/an-evening-with-mubarak-begum-best-songs-of-mubarak-begum/

786 atina July 23, 2016 at 4:06 pm

on his b’day sharing shiv batalvi’s poem…aj din chadheya tere rang varga… sung by rahat fateh ali khan for the movie…love aaj kal …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKqoACy8c_s .
to know more about shiv batalvi visit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiv_Kumar_Batalvi

787 AK July 23, 2016 at 6:47 pm

Atina,
Thanks for mentioning Shiv Batalvi.

788 atina August 4, 2016 at 9:06 pm

on kk’s b’day sharing his composition…path bhoola ek aaya musafir….
from the movie ..door gagan ki chhaon mein ( 1964)….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koDGObzNYeE .
shailendra wrote the song.

789 AK August 4, 2016 at 9:20 pm

Atina,
Very nice song. This film had some of KK’s best songs.

790 Ravindra Kelkar August 6, 2016 at 4:31 pm

Dear All,
Yesterday a new book from Raju Bharatan was published –
‘Asha Bhosale – A Musical Biography’. Thought I should share this information. Some of you might have a soft corner for Asha Bhosale & like to read it. On Amazon site, it could be purchased on-line.
I met Raju Bharatan in person on 29th May 2016 along with two of my friends. We were with him for about two hours & out of that he was talking for about one hour & 55 minutes…A very talkative person, keeps on continuously talking about the Hindi Films Music & its personalities. We had gone to gift him a coffee table book on OP Nayyar – “Kya Baat Hai Is Jadugar Ki”. This book was conceived by my friend Sateesh Paknikar & was inaugurated by Pandit Shivkumar Sharma on 16th Jan 2014 (OP’s birthday), more that two years back. Sateesh is an industrial photographer with special interest in music. The coffee table book has 55 photographs of OPN which come from number photographs Sateesh snapped over the year when we used to visit OPN on his birthday from the period of 1983 to 2003. The book has lyrics of 55 selected songs & Pandit Shivkumar Sharma has written musical appreciation of those songs. It’s written in Hindi.

791 AK August 6, 2016 at 5:00 pm

Ravindra Kelkar,
Thanks a lot for this information. There are many regulars at SoY who are great fans of Asha Bhosle.

792 mumbaikar8 August 15, 2016 at 3:09 pm

Happy Seventieth Independence day.
With this song from First Independence Day.
Remembering the martyrdom of Bapu in first year of Independence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUVWdX2Ikv0

793 ksbhatia August 17, 2016 at 11:23 pm

Ms. Mumbaikar 8;
Thanks for this rare song of first year of independence . Some one has mentioned lyrics by Rajendra krishan but MD is not mentioned . I guess Husanlal Bhagatram as its MD.

As a resiprocal , I am recalling …..Aye mere pyare watan….from Kabuliwala . Dont miss the last stanza which is the ultimate self full love for your country.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAdeqOrfzPA

794 ksbhatia August 22, 2016 at 12:38 am

AK ji ;

Were you at any time looking for this song ?

Neel gagan ki chhaon mein……Lata…..SJ…..Amrapaali

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfS9BWc9y9c

795 AK August 22, 2016 at 10:13 am

KS Bhatiaji,
I do not remember the context. I looked through my older comments but did not find any query to which this song could be an answer. But thanks a lot anyway.

796 A.VENKAT KRISHNAN August 29, 2016 at 7:49 pm

AKji,

I shall be grateful if you put together all songs from 1940 onwards where the piano has been given prime of place alongwith informative write ups of the name of film,year of release, singers, lyricist,music directors ,picturis(ac)tion on which actor (s), actress (es)…one single which immediately comes to my mind with piano..AAP KAY HASSEN RUKH PAY AAJ NAYAA NOOR HAI..

Regards

A.VENKAT KRISHNAN

797 AK August 29, 2016 at 10:26 pm

A Venkat Krishnan,
Welcome to SoY. We all have our favourite piano songs, but what you are asking for is an enormous project. I am not sure if I am up to it. We do have very enthusiastic members, let us see if any one picks up the gauntlet.

798 raghavan vasudevan August 30, 2016 at 8:04 am

Yes a new posting on Piano songs is welcome and I prepared to give a start but I may not be able to upload the songs and hence my posting may
not be entertained.

799 ksbhatia August 31, 2016 at 11:32 pm

I like the idea . Piano is my fav. of all other instruments . There could be many Piano songs . Slowly one can add to the number of songs as and when they are free.

Here I start with….

1. Dil ke jharokhe mein tuj….Rafi,…SJ….Bhramchari….Shammi Kapoor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55Q4wry987Y

2.Dost dost na raha….Mukesh…SJ….Sangam….Raj Kapoor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY5AMJtMY3A

3.Poocho na hamme…Asha…OPN…Mitti mein sona….Mala sinha..?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wj9PMW_B4Q8

…..to be contd…..

800 ksbhatia September 1, 2016 at 11:48 pm

……in continuation of songs @ 799, here are few more Piano songs…..

4.Milte hi aankhen dil….Talat, Shamshad….Naushad …Babul..Dilip kumar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXFURlgbMF0

5.Toote na dil toote na….Mukesh…Naushad….Andaz…Dilip kumar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY31VhGbrM0

6. Jhoom jhoom ke naacho aaj….[ same]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5Ei5MCmJF8

7.Hum aaj kahin dil kho……[ Same ]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOPE2pyavg4

8.Tu kahe agar….[Same]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emuDkBWbibI

9.Darna mohabbat kar le…Lata, Shamshad…Naushad…Andaz…Nargis, Cuckoo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJLGHNgsC8Q

10.Ae Jaane jigar…Mukesh…Anil Biswas….Aaram….Prem nath

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp38GCGFdaA

11. Man mein kisi ki preet basaale…Lata…[ same] ….Madhubala, Premnath

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyNQg7zaIfQ

12. Sab kuch lauta ke …Lata…Ravi….Ek Saal….Madhubala

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyNQg7zaIfQ

13. Main khush naseeb hun…Mukesh, Lata…Ravi….Tower House….Ajit, Shakila

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RW1QA4msUs4

14.Dil ko laakh sambhaala ji….Lata….Chitragupt…Guest House…..Shakila, Ajit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFMZL3xfOHI

15.Hum pyar mein jalne waaloan ko….Lata….MM…Jailor….Geeta Bali

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X1IPWcnVAw

….to be contd,……

801 ksbhatia September 2, 2016 at 9:29 pm

….in continuation of piano songs from 800, here are a few more .

16.Kaun aya ke nigaahon ….Asha….Ravi…Waqt….Sadhna

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYgUXMAbwEQ

17.Chehre pe khushi chhaa jaati hai…..[ same ]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cQ_KiQLGNk

18.Ajii routh kar kahan jaiyega….Lata…SJ…Arzoo….Sadhna

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gck052mPWaE

19.Aye husn zara jaag….Rafi…Naushad…Mere Mehboob…Rajendra Kumar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnFYfKahhdY

20.Aaj ki raat mere dil ki….Rafi….Ram aur Sham….Dilip Kumar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUZkTcjGhIM

21.Kaisi haseen aaj baharoan ki….Rafi, MK….Aadmi…Naushad…Dilip, Manoj

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqhAPD0Tpzw

…….to be contd……

802 ksbhatia September 2, 2016 at 9:40 pm

….in continuation from 801 ……

22.Chaman mein rehkar veeraana….Shamshad…Naushad…Deedar….Nargis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5tEQfKcO-M

23.Aa jao tadpte hain arman…Lata..SJ…Awara….Nargis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJA4oz4Of2s

24.Main dil hun ek armaan bhara….Talat…Roshan…Anhonee..Raj Kapoor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGZcoR9vbGQ

25.Bachpan ke din bhi kya din the…..Asha, Geeta…SDB….Sujata…Shakila, Nutan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewGx9veUfPk

…..to be contd…..

803 ksbhatia September 3, 2016 at 11:38 pm

In continuation of songs from 802 , here are a few additions…

26. Chalo ek bar fir se….MK…..Ravi ….Gumrah…..Sunil Dutt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE5q9kst-Zc

27.Na shikwa hai koi….Lata….Naushad….Amar…..Madhubala

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cbtxuBP-gk

28.Dheere dheere machal…Lata..Hemant Kumar…Anupama….Surekha Pandit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-g21hlpTLis&list=PLUKBmrjgebBNLkG1ThMG5z9Uq7eOQX_N7&index=77

29.Dekh liya mein ne…Rafi, Lata…Naushad…Deedar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um3LC8rlQ_w&list=PLUKBmrjgebBNLkG1ThMG5z9Uq7eOQX_N7&index=39

30.Jeet hi lenge baazi hum tum…..Lata, Rafi….Khayaam…Shola aur Shabnam…Dharmender

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKviOoYELvA

31.Tumahre bulaane ko ji chahata hai….Lata…..Anil Biswas…Laadli

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUtGUY2X9gc

32.Khwaab ho tum ya koi haqueeqat…..Kishore…SDB….Teen Devian….Dev Anand

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw4wLVnFJ-E

33.Cheda mere dil ne tarana tere pyar ka….Rafi…SJ…Asli Naqli

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSIAlk7TOcs

……to be contd….

804 ksbhatia September 4, 2016 at 11:14 pm

….In continuation from 804…..

34.Ajab hai daastan teri ae zindagi…Rafi…SJ….Shararat….Kishore

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2svsXJxTVVQ

35.Agar sunle tu ek nagma…Kishore….Chitragupt…Ek Raaz…Kishore

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY2czieCJZA

36. Hum se na puchho…..Lata….SJ….Kaali Ghatta…..Asha Mathur

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnxTI8nsb-I

….to be contd….

805 ksbhatia September 4, 2016 at 11:38 pm

in continuation….

37. Pyar diwana hota hai…Kishore..RDB…Kati Patang…Rajesh Khanna

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lslZptXok8o&list=PLUKBmrjgebBNLkG1ThMG5z9Uq7eOQX_N7&index=91

38.Yeh Kaun aya roshan…Lata…Naushad…Saathi…Simi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Evd6DmjdtJI

39.Har dil jo pyar karega….Mukesh, Lata, MK…SJ….Sangam…Vyjantimala

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RovyGxgml5Q

40.Eena meena deeka…Kishore…CR…Aasha….Kishore

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MAeNJX-sb4

….to be contd….

806 Raghavan Vasudevan September 6, 2016 at 12:12 pm

As we are going thro this fine web site almost daily to see new postings and comments , adding our own if one wants to let me put up a quiz so that we can go in a pensive mood and recall the great golden era when high class melodies were written, composed and sung.

1. aavo bachcho tumhe diklayaee jhankee hindusthani – this fine
patiorotic song written by Kavi Pradeep was from which film and who
was the Music Director (MD)
2 akhiyaa milake jiya bharma ke chale na dena – who sang this romantic song from the film Rattan
3 Rafi sahib high class rendering of the song “insaaf ka mandir hai ye bagwan ka ghar:” who wrote this sole stirring song and name the film
4 mujko kehte hai kallu ke kavval this duet from Dulha dulhan was
song by Mukesh and ………..
5 phir woi shaam phir woi gham this lovely gazal is from which film
6 Who was the music director of the film Prem Patra
7 On which hindusthani raag is the song ankhiya sung anjiya laag aaj
rendered by Rafi. This was composed by Chitragupta.
8 Hansraj Behl composed this great song :Mohabat zinda rahti hai mar nahi sakta” voiced by Rafi sahib – from which film it is
9 Ustad Bismilla khan played shenahi for this film whose music director was Vasanth Desai – name the film
10 In which film Rafi sahib had sung 11 songs – a record. Name the
film and the MD – It was released in 1960
11 which magazine conducted a survey to select the best song of the century. The song was “man re thu kaahe ko” from the film chitraleka – What was that magazine.
12 SD Burman trade mark/stamp song “dil mein ek tamanna hai”
sung byRafi sahib. Which was that film.
13 Which song is considered Madan Mohan’s first hit song sung by
Mohd. Rafi. Name the film or the song.
14 “hayee tabussam tera, dhoop kil gayee raath mein – thissong is from
one of earliest Sanjeev kumar Name it and who was the MD
15 who was the music director of the film quawali ki raath.

Hope this quiz will help to test your memory.

807 ksbhatia September 6, 2016 at 11:59 pm

Continuing from 805.

41.Ayega kaun yahan….Sharda…SJ….Gumnam……Nanda

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ96kvKTpPc

42.Sabhi Kuchh hai tuj mein…Lata..SJ…Pyar mohabbat…Saira Banu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0GevUGuE64

43.Geet gata hun mein….Kishore…SJ…Lal Patthar….Vinod Mehra

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N47ndACrJJc

….to be contd.

808 ksbhatia September 7, 2016 at 11:56 pm

…..in continuation of 807, here are some more piano songs .

44.Jineh hum bhoolna chhaheyen…..Mukesh…Aabroo…Sonik Omi….Deepak Kumar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO4HEoV_5EI

45.Waqt karta jo wafa…Mukesh….Dil ne pukaara….KA…Shashi Kapoor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4iet7b9XH0

46.Chandi ki deewar na todi….Mukesh…Vishwaas…KA…Jeetender

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbv7C59SgX4

47.Deewano se yeh mat…Mukesh…Upkaar….KA…Manoj Kumar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbv7C59SgX4

48.Aaj yeh meri yeh zindgi….Asha….Yeh Raaste Hain Pyar Ke….Ravi…..Leele Naidu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6GnaEVjpGs

49. Aaya hai mujhe yaad….Mukesh…Devar…Roshan…Dharmendra

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1su-9LHG5A

…….to be contd……

809 ksbhatia September 8, 2016 at 1:09 am

In continuation of songs here are some special songs of the golden era which i would like to merge into vintage piano songs , which may be a few in numbers but otherwise good to look for .

50.Jab se balam ghar aaye…Lata,….. Awara…SJ….Nargis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SV2tpIUz0_4

51. Dil dhadke nazar sharmaiye…Lata…Albela….CR…Geeta Bali

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAWYfLAUVYo

52.Manzil wohi hai pyar ki…Subir sen….Kath Putli….SJ…Balraj Sahni

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zYpScbQ5Dw

53. Jaadu bhare naino mein…..Shamshad…Babul…Naushad…Nargis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Cyp95nzbFs

54.Woh tere pyar ka gam….Mukesh…My Love…..Daan Singh…Shashi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uue3kEn_t4o

55.Naina hai jaadu bhare….Mukesh…Bedard Zamana kya jane….KA…Sailesh kumar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eBwMbahGr0

56.Dil ko lakh sambhala ji….Lata…Guest house…Chitragupt…Ajit, Shakila

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFMZL3xfOHI

57.Naa Bol Pe pe more angana…Shamshad….Dulari…Naushad…Geeta Bali

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmEzcCBSdQM

58.Naino se nain huye char….Lata….Aurat…SJ….Purnima

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpJr40FpS5M

59.Taqdeer jaga ke ayi hoon….Lata…Dulari…Naushad…Madhubala

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alfq3mQTDD0

60.Sunte they naam hum….Lata…Aah [ Piano is used as a prop only to close my doors for golden period songs and opening for vintage songs]….SJ…..Nigar sultana

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Osioi6qvjg

……Shifting to vintage piano songs……..

810 ksbhatia September 8, 2016 at 3:38 pm

VINTAGE PIANO SONGS……

Digging of these vintage songs shows that piano was used in songs of even mid 30s as well. The MDs who extensively used piano in their composition were Sarwasti Devi [ first lady MD of vintage block], Panna lal Ghosh, Pankaj Mullick etc.

While exploration is going on here are a starter of such songs.

My request to all of my friends to contribute to the listings of both golden and vintage songs and enhance the beauty of the lost paradise. Special request goes to Rangan ji, Venkatraman ji, Hans ji, Arvinder Sharma ji, Mumbaikar8….and so on.

1. Teri meri ek kahani…..Shamshad….Nishan [1949]…..Rajeshwar Rao…..Bhanumati , Ranjan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwvLc2d1rYY

2.Chalo sangh chhalen hum…..Ashok , Leela Chitnis…Bandhan[1939]…..Sarswati devi…..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvHkjkuBjxg

3.Pyare Pyare sapne hamare…Devika Rani….Anjaan[ 1941]…Panna Lal Ghosh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPzGFWNYZs4

4.Aye Basant ghata….Devika Rani….Anjaan [1941]…Panna lal Ghosh

https://www.youtube.com/results?q=Aye+basant+ghata&sp=SLQB6gMA

5.Moorakh man sowaat kyun hai…..Pahari sanyal….Dhoop Chhaon[ 1935]…MD[?]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCNPnmTCWyc&index=155&list=PLAB70257DBA40E140

6.Phool bagiya more aana…Meera….Bhabhi[1938]….Sarswati Devi

{ I have a doubt. Though old piano is shown but it sounds like jal tarang}

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfSLJQ_FlC0&index=171&list=PLAB70257DBA40E140

…..to be contd……

811 ksbhatia September 8, 2016 at 11:33 pm

in continuation……

7. Tum bin kal na aave…..Kanan Devi….Lagan[1941]….R C Boral

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRNjlAA7aIo

8. So ja rajkumari so ja…K L Saigal….Zindagi [1940]….Pankaj Mullick

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHWhpqaOP7o

…..to be contd…….

812 raghavan vasudevan September 9, 2016 at 7:51 am

Bhatia sahib I am following your posts.
Did you go through my quiz. Please answer to the quiz if you are
interested. I though mr AK would answer but he has not so far

813 mumbaikar8 September 9, 2016 at 8:29 pm

Ksbhatiaji
I was more of a lyrics listener than instrument’s, after following SSW comments I am trying to comprehend instruments too but I am far far behind you, all the piano songs I know, have been uploaded by you. I am just enjoying your uploads.

814 ksbhatia September 9, 2016 at 11:55 pm

Raghavan Vasudevan ji ;

Yes I have gone thru your quiz and find that like all others you too have a forte of varied interest in all the aspects of music and songs . With many stalwerts glued to this wonderful site it will not be difficult to answer to your quiz. Moreover , with you tube handy , the answers are just click away . It will be a great fun if you go thru the various comments and observations posted in ….Open House….right from page one. You will come across many discoveries and very interesting mini posts as you proceed to read and listen to them .

However I will try to answer to your quiz…..

1.Jagriti, Hemant Kumar
2. Zorabai Ambala
3.Shakeel Badayuni, Amar
4. Lata ji
5.Jahan Ara
6. Salil Chowdhri
7…..
8. Changez Khan
9.Goonj uthi Shehnai
10……
11. Film fare
12. Shakeel badayuni , Benazir
13.O maati ke putle , Mastana
14.Nishan , Usha Khanna
15.Iqbal Qureshi

815 ksbhatia September 10, 2016 at 12:30 am

Ms. Mumbaikar 8;

Every listener of a good song looks upto the various factors that has made the song worthy of your liking . Some songs have a great lift just because of its beautiful lyrics even though they are just narrated with no or minimal musical support . Take , for example , the verses of Pyaasa and the soft Waltz enhancing the lyrics of a romantic duet….Ham aap ki aankhoan mein is dil ko….Similarly the decorative orchestra using various instruments that enhance the melody is sure to win your heart . Here I will quote the song…..Ajeeb dastan hai yeh. In this song every interlude is different and distinctive because highlighter like guitar, accordeon , mouth organ , saxophone / trumpet is used progressively as the song continue. Even the prelude and postlude are different . And the chorus effect is marvelous . So to say that though the lyrics are simple but overall beauty gets enhanced by beautiful orchestra.

Piano has been one of my fav. instrument right from my childhood. The first musical notes that entered my ears when I was just two years old were that from Piano . Our neighbours at that moment of time were christian and were having piano in their house. As I grew Andaz songs were popular and we used to request them to play those songs.

As my interest grew further I got interest in piano accordeon , trumpet, flute, guitar etc.

I might take my next venture on Waltz hindi film songs .

816 raghavan vasudevan September 10, 2016 at 8:41 am

Bhatiaji,

You answered 13 questions out of 15 in which 3 were wrong. Let me wait
for a few days more then I will divulge the answers. No way it was a
tough quiz but only a pass time and a different way instead of posting a
theme which are plenty I chose quiz. Yes among those who regularly visit
site there are experts and stalwarts and I am a novice. I am just an ardent listener of old songs and a big fan of Mohd. Rafi sahib and Shankar Jaikishan.

817 ksbhatia September 10, 2016 at 11:47 pm

Raghavan ji;
Good to know you are Shankar Jaikishan fan . It will be a great fun sharing songs and music of SJ with you .

818 raghavan Vasudevan September 11, 2016 at 8:15 am

Thank you KSBji,

I will come up with my best SJ’s songs but the problem is I do not know
how to upload them. I will confine with the list only.

819 raghavan vasudevan September 12, 2016 at 8:57 am

As no more reply or answers to my quiz is coming up , I am furnishing the answers.
1. Jagriti – Hemanthkumar
2 Zohara
3 Sakeel Badhayuni – Amar
4 Sudha Malhotra
5 Jahan Ara
6 Salil Chowedhry
7 Malkauns
8 Chengis khan
9 Goonj uthi sehnai
10 Basanth released in 1960 – OP Nayar
11 Outlook
12 Benazir
13 Basti Basti…….gata chal – Rly Platform
14 Nishan – Usha khanna
15 Iqbal qureshi.

The quiz was sent for a change from the routine of postings on
topics. There wont be another quiz from me.

820 ksbhatia September 13, 2016 at 1:31 pm

Mumbaikar 8 ;

One more addition to long back yodlee songs….

Ek do teen char baagoan mein aagayi bahar…..Kishore, Asha….Mukkadar…Khemchand Prakash

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GN3tHrwIkvc

821 Durgasharan September 18, 2016 at 6:56 am

AKji,

I was reading your article “The unlucky genius Ghulam Mohammad…”, when I remembered Sajjad Hussain.

Who can forget the hauntingly beautiful “Yeh kaisi ajab dastaan ho gayi hai” sung so well by Suraiyya, or the bewitching “Yeh hawa yeh raat yeh chaandni” by Talat once he/she has heard them.

Raju Bharatan had mentioned in an old Illustrated weekly article about this Lata song “Woh to chale gaye ai dil yaad ko unki pyaar kar”.

An article on Hussain saab will be most welcome.

822 AK September 18, 2016 at 7:23 am

Durgasharanji,
Yes, Sajjad Husain is universally recognised as a genius, though not admired for his interpersonal skills. Let me make a note of it.

823 ksbhatia September 26, 2016 at 12:21 am

AK ji ;

Listening to Asha ji’s beautiful sad song from 1966 movie Zarak Khan composed by S. Mohinder….

Sham ki tanhaiyan hain….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k9d5402KIU

I think S. Mohinder needs to be covered under forgotten master of classical songs.

824 AK September 26, 2016 at 8:09 am

KS Bhatiaji,
This is a very good song. S Mohinder fits the bill perfectly for the series. Fortunately, a lot of material is available on him. I am making a note of it.

825 ksbhatia September 30, 2016 at 1:51 pm

AK ji ;
I was looking up for some oldie songs on Dilwale theme . Got a surprise of three songs which I used to listen and admire over radio days.

1.O dilwale pyar kiye ja….Talat….Kamal Ka Phool[1950]…Shyam Sunder

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1hNpMrlEiM

2.O Dilwale nigahen milale…Mubarak Begum….Circus Queen[1959]…Shafi Nagri

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTf0XJUBtPE

3.Dilwale jal jal kar marjaana….Uma Devi….Natak[1947]…Naushad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BpcWs7DAbg

To me all these are rare gems . Song no 2 prompt me to request you to come up with some mini series of the best of B or C class movies . It will be a great discovery of hidden gems of unknown movies as also unknown music directors .

826 AK October 2, 2016 at 12:42 pm

KS Bhatiaji,
The songs of B/C grade movies do get covered in different headings – either singers or music directors or themes. Since these are overlapping categories already, I am somewhat wary of opening up new categories.

827 Arunkumar Deshmukh October 8, 2016 at 1:44 pm

I feel that there is myth going round our circles for a very long time. It is about the ban of film songs on A.I.R. by the Information Minister B.V.Keskar in early 50s, which, it is believed to be the cause of promoting Radio Ceylon.
Here are some facts about it…

I came across a book,on Google, “Mourning the Nation:Indian cinema in the wake of Partition” written by Bhaskar Sarkar. The book has made a startling statement.

For years now,we have believed that the rise of Radio Ceylon was because All India Radio had banned broadcast of Film songs,as per the instructions of the then Broadcasting Misnister-B.V.Keskar. He had become the Villain.
The book claims that it is NOT TRUE.
” It is true that B V Keskar was a purist.he did not like Hybrid music. He announced a new AIR policy in July-1952. 1) AIR was to reduce Broadcast Time allotted to Film Songs and 2) They will drop the custom of announcing the Film name of the song.
” Irked by the denial of free advertisement for their films on AIR.the producers,in their capacity as Copyright owners took away A.I.R.’s licenses for broadcasting Film songs. That is why Film music disappeared from A.I.R. and it was replaced by classical music. ”

The Hindu-dated March 12, 1954: Film music on AIR said…….

B.V. Keskar, Minister for Information and Broadcasting, told the House of the People in New Delhi on March 11 that it was not the intention of All India Radio to ban completely the broadcast of Indian film music records, but it was their object to restrict the playing of such records only to those which provided good music.

The Minister, who was replying to Seth Govind Das, said that as compared to 1951 and 1952, the use of film music records by AIR had been reduced during 1953.

In that year the total number of film songs broadcast from Delhi Station was 766, against the total number of recorded songs (Indian music) 11,016.

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828 AK October 8, 2016 at 2:07 pm

Arunji,
May be he was not responsible for outright ban, but was he not responsible as per the above information for creating a situation of exodus from AIR to SLBC? It comes to the same thing.

829 Arunkumar Deshmukh October 8, 2016 at 4:47 pm

AK ji,

You may be right in your conclusion, but the point to stress was that there was NO BAN, as popularly believed and spread. The after effects of government policy is a separate issue here. In my opinion, the producers were equqlly responsible for what happened afterwards.

-AD

830 SSW October 8, 2016 at 5:15 pm

Mr. Deshmukh , thank you for the information, I am sure there is more here than the bald statement that the copyright owners took away the right of AIR to broadcast film songs. No businessman is averse to free advertising and they would have continued to stay with AIR unless there were issues. Of course there is always issue of Short Wave v/s Medium Wave broadcasting and I believe Radio Ceylon had better tranmitters than Indian stations.
On Keskar I believe he had his own ideas on what was Indian and what was not and Anthony Gonsalves has an interesting story to tell about him.

831 SSW October 8, 2016 at 5:24 pm

Incidentally just to allay my curiosity, Mr. Deshmukh or anybody else who may have the answer, does the record number that HMV used to release a record with indicate some relation to the manufacture date, recording date or release date? I would think that the release date being subject to other considerations it would more closely ally with the manufacturing or recording date, so chances are that a lower numbered record could still be released after a higher numbered one.

832 D P Rangan October 8, 2016 at 7:00 pm

The qualaity of short wave broadcasts in those days was below par. There was more of disturbance than music. I had an affluent neighbour whose son took maths tuition from me and they had a very big radio and I used to listen to lot of music. Medium wave had a narrow spread. On the contrary Radio Ceylon had its broadcasting studio built by USA. The short wave band was very powerful and I could listen to songs in Delhi in late 50s. They also broadcast in medium wave and people down south around Thirunelveli could listen to it. Subsequently their radio station got burnt and loss of such equipment affected their subsequent airings adversely. AIR was not listener friendly and worked as an unresponsive govt. department. News was given more prominence than music. Late Keskarji also compounded the problem by restricting film music.

833 ksbhatia October 8, 2016 at 11:08 pm

Talking of Ban ; I think at some moment of times in the fifties , there was a ban on playing or broadcasting songs on AIR in which Harmonium was used . At that time only music or songs playing indian instruments were allowed and harmonium was considered as German .

834 gaddeswarup October 9, 2016 at 7:40 am

There is a more serious allegation here ( though banning does not seem strictly correct)
“He was into classical music or folk music. He created some sugam sangeet that is light music. And, the entire lot of film songs – and All India Radio had the best library of film songs ever in the world – he banned film music in the fifties. Records were broken, thrown away.
Broken?
Broken also and thrown away. Or they were sold off, or given away. The whole, their entire library was cleared off Hindi film music.”
From http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1636290&TPN=5

835 Giri October 9, 2016 at 11:05 am

Gaddeswarup@34
I think Amin Sayani has used phrases like “broken”, thrown away”etc. to highlight his feelings about the way HFM was treated by Keskar. If they had really disposed of the records, how are they playing all the old songs on Vividh Bharati?

836 Arunkumar Deshmukh October 9, 2016 at 1:34 pm

For ksbhatia ji @ 33

from http://www.serendip.in….

The Humble Harm-Onium

CultureHistoryMusic
The harmonium was banned on All India Radio’s networks between 1940 and 1971. The instrument was deemed incapable of handling the complex notes of Indian classical music and was also dubbed un-Indian.

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(active tab)
Further reading
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Apparently, harmonium solo pieces are still banned by AIR.

It is said that the ban was initiated by John Foulds, head of the Delhi station’s Western music section as he believed that the harmonium’s tuning limitations could not handle the microtonal requirements of Hindustani music. He also contended that the instrument often overshadowed the singer during broadcasts.

Post independence, the ban continued to remain under the auspices of B.V. Keskar, the I&B minister under Nehru (who was himself not a fan of the instrument).

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837 SSW October 9, 2016 at 5:02 pm

That’s funny Mr.Deshmukh that the banning should be done by an Englishman who was in charge of Western music. Most keyed instruments till the 80s (when the electric organ could use pitch bending to provided microtones) or till the microtonal piano and harmonium were invented (I can provide links to these instruments) is incapable of producing microtones.

So the piano, the accordion etc should have been banned too because not only can they not produce microtones, but they are tuned with equal temperment tuning which is different from the way a natural musical scale is tuned. The natural logarithmic tuning is what Indian music follow, Western music because of harmonic requirements follows equal temperament tuning.

I suppose this ban was only with respect to Indian art(classical) music broadcasts and not to popular song. I think there is a lot of disinformation here written by people who know very little about music.

Of course if AIR only wanted to promote Indian art music and eschew all other Indian folk then they they were a bunch of ignoramuses.

838 Hans October 11, 2016 at 8:52 pm

Arunji,
About this banning business I would like to share my views. I would agree with AK and SSW here. You gave a reference of some Parliament Question and info given in reply to an MP. I was in Central Govt. and have handled PQs quite a lot – as also AK has done – and am of the opinion that in tricky questions, replies were formulated to dodge the real question. There is a term ‘golmol jawab’ which is commonly used in such instances. The 766 songs that were mentioned may include those from other languages which Keskar did not understand and they may all be from some Bhakti films or from historical films like Rana Pratap or Rani Padmini type which Keskar would like. And all the songs which he did not like were banned.

839 mumbaikar8 October 13, 2016 at 7:24 pm

Ksbhatiji,
Surprising this article projects that the banning of harmonium was proposed by Rabindranath Tagore.
http://humanitiesunderground.org/why-did-the-harmonium-disappear-from-all-india-radio/

840 mumbaikar8 October 14, 2016 at 12:58 pm

Ksbhatiaji,
Continuing.
Harmonium was the preferred instrument for most of the MD’s of golden era for their music sessions.
It is high time we have harmonium songs .
Badi pyari kahani hai Do roti Lata Rafi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5kr3SZ4WVM
Naseeb hoga mera keherbaan kabhi na kabhi 40 Days Asha Manna Dey
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7nNyZpt3rA
Jane Kahan gayi Dil apna aur preet parai Rafi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xocbvff8AuA

841 ksbhatia October 16, 2016 at 8:00 am

Ms.Mumbaikar 8 ;

Songs over Harmonium is a very nice idea . We can have a mini series in this open house. The songs posted by you are my fav. too. Here are some from my side . First from Shankar Jaikishan…..

Hume bhi dedo sahara…..Rafi, chorus…..Seema…..SJ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwPscVP3YaE

Dekha babu chhed ka majaa….Lata….Shararat……SJ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0ogv1VCy2g

Milte he nazar……Kishore….New Delhi…..SJ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqY4N-_x758

842 Ravindra Kelkar October 17, 2016 at 8:50 am

Dear All,
I think Harmonium was banned as an accompanying instrument for the vocal classical recitals on AIR, up to 1971. So till 1971, in all the vocal classical recitals, Sarangi was used an accompanying instrument on AIR. Almost all the renowned singers of the era, in their other Pubilc recitals, used Harmonium as an accompanying instrument along with Tabla, but on AIR they were forced to have Sarangi instead of Harmonium.
I believe, nowadays on Radio, one can listen to a solo Harmonium program also. So it seems the ban has been fully lifted.

843 ksbhatia October 17, 2016 at 5:54 pm

Ravinder Kelkar ji ;

It was really a strange state of affairs . I feel Harmonium other wise should have been honoured and respected most ; as all MDs started composing tunes over harmonium first . The melody and shape what you get is the strokes what key notes of the harmonium had to suffer in making the melodies .

844 ksbhatia October 17, 2016 at 6:22 pm

Ms. Mumbaikar 8 ;

In continuation here are three harmonium songs of Naushad and one from SJ .

1. Murli bairan bhai kanhaiya ….Lata….New Delhi….SJ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufVvFl5Fc6k

2.Huye hum jin ke liye barbad…Rafi…Deedar….Naushad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD6bC-w5_FI

3.Husn waloan ko na dil do….Talat….Babul….Naushad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNzG5viyLmc

4.Nasseb dar pe tere…..Rafi….Deedar….Naushad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQuDCrbsLvc

…..to be contd…..

845 mumbaikar8 October 23, 2016 at 1:22 am

Ksbhatiaji,
I apologize for the delay in response
I do not get notifications of certain blogs in my mailbox. Open house is one of them.
It does not show in “recent comments” too.
Three Naushad songs, he used Piano as well as harmonium equally well.
Like Murli airan bhayi too.

Street singer on harmonium in similar situation.
Leke pahla pahla pyar CID1956
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVmShhhiPPI
Deewane hai deewanon na dar chahiye Zanjeer 1973
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bghg1DNrR3M

846 ksbhatia October 23, 2016 at 6:21 pm

Ms. Mumbaikar 8 ;

To reactivate this site we need to request AK ji for implementation of notifications as proposed by your good self. This will surely open the doors for other visitors to contribute their valued comments/ observations to this rich site .

I am posting some vintage floral songs of which some are rare and some are popular .

1.Rahii maikhaana bataa dena….Bashir…Miss Frontier Mail[1936]….Master Mohd.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvDSAScBHx8

2. Chhote Aseer….Pahari Sanyal…Devdas[1936]…Timir Bairan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEBRv6X86Z4

3.Salamat agar hai jawani…Bashir..Miss Frontier Mail…Master Mohd.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu4nJIlH6_k

4.Roshan hai tere dum se…..P. Sanyal…Devdas…Timir Bairan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9c5XUMUI40

5. Babul mora ….K L Saigal…Devdas…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouheLTzfeBc

Here is an amazing street singer , an old man , may be of 80+ years with many melodies in his bag that he sings beautifully with his accompanied harmonium . I salute such men who earn their lively hood thru their god gifted talent and never beg . His name is Keshav Lal and he is said to have shared stage with V.Shantaram during his happy prime days . He is also said to have taught Pradeep Kumar as to how to play ‘been’ when a song from old movie Nagin was being shot . Film Institute , Pune has made a short film on him which have earned big laurels and awards . One can find many of his songs on Y.T. Here is a one for SoY.

Hai apna dil to awara…..Keashav Lal….[ amazing street singer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv4bExOTckw&list=PL4ZZn2ES35LPLbLfkhX9ct862mWK4CduT&index=7

Not only that he remember full lyrics he fully plays preludes and interludes to minutest details . I once again salute this man .

847 mumbaikar8 October 24, 2016 at 2:44 pm

ksbhatiaji,
I am guilty of forgetting 24th October though I never forget 31st July.
Remembering Manna Dey on this with this amazing NFS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZqlcL6pHTE
Will come back with harmonium songs
You have added some interesting songs. Keshav lal in particular.

848 ksbhatia October 24, 2016 at 5:55 pm

Ms.Mumbaikar 8 ;

Yes I too . Manna Dey lived in our hearts . They say people whom you love and respect lives in your heart. They die only when you forget them . Let his remembrance grow for ever in our hearts .
Sawan ki rimzhim mein…..is a beautiful NFS . Manna dey sang from core of his heart . Meri bhi ek mumtaz thi…… is another NFS that I like . I am posting one song as a tribute to the great singer .

Pal bhar ki pehchaan……Singer and Music by Manna Dey

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OLUCnuTjUs

849 Hans October 24, 2016 at 8:19 pm

Manna Dey sang such hits like ‘jhoomta mausam mast mahina’ and ‘ab kahan jayen hum’ in Ujala. But this song ‘suraj zara aa paas aa’ remains unknown. Hats off to Shailendra also for the great lyrics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On0dRETsTYk

850 Giri October 25, 2016 at 12:26 pm

Remembering this “Kavi” on his “punya thithi”:
–Aaj sajan more ang lagale–Pyaasaa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuhXKK2_p4A

Pure(Sanskritised) Hindi–no Urdu!
What versatility!
Salaam to Sahir the shayar!

851 mumbaikar8 October 25, 2016 at 1:06 pm

Mr. Giri,
Thanks for remembering.
Adding one more Pure(Sanskritised) Hindi from Sahir.
sansar se bhage phirte ho Chitrelakha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pueoTXV6FLY

852 Giri October 25, 2016 at 2:22 pm

Mumbaikar8,@851
Actually I should thank Vividh Bharti. It is their programmes today that reminded me about Sahir saheb

853 Hans October 25, 2016 at 6:44 pm

Further to Mumbaikar8’s mention of the song from the film Chitralekha, I would like to add that all the songs in that film were in chaste Hindi. The songs other than the two most famous songs ‘sansar se’ and ‘man re’ displayed his command over the pure Hindi. Look at this ‘ae re jane na doongi’ with the prelude or alaap whatever you call it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKKhwUaUaQY

His mastery of urdu was also unique. See how he starts the song ‘zindagi zulm sahi’ in Shagoon, with ‘zindagi zulm sahi jabar sahi gham hi sahi, dil ki fariyad sahi rooh ka matam hi sahi’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF4IB9md_OI

His selection of words was just superb. In Barsaat Ki Raat in the song ‘maine shayad tumhen’ ( in the song Bharat Bhushan addresses his song to Madhubala indirectly) he says in the first antara ‘waham se bhi jo ho najuk wo yakeen lagti ho’. Can anybody write such deep meaning words. The whole song is a revelation. Five years later this scene was copied in Bahu Beti and their also Sahir wrote the lyrics of song ‘sabmen shamil ho’. I am posting this song. Look at the lyrics here how he has adapted to the situation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iA-W8mKQYQ

He could adapt to any situation. He could write songs like ‘maut kitni bhi sangdil ho magar zindagi se to meherban hogi, and he could also write ‘khali dabba khali botal’ with equal control on the words. Look how he handled the lyrics of the song ‘main hoon ek hajjam’ in Do Kaliyan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vixbyA_t7pk

854 ksbhatia October 26, 2016 at 6:40 pm

Hans ji @853 ;

Hats off to your worthy comments and observations on the lyricist Sahir and his mastery over choosing words that hit directly at the target . You have given ample examples of which Barsaat ki Raat songs stands my fav. too. Another song from the same film…..Mause to hun wade pe tere…is superb in poetry , situation , composition and rendering .

Many may not be aware that besides urdu , sanskritraised urdu and hindi songs , Sahir has also written punjabi songs , perhaps in one and only one movie Baalo [1951] with N. Dutta as its Music Director . It is interesting to note that some of the songs by Geeta Dutt. So all non Punjabis but giving excellent songs .

Here are two songs from Baalo .

1.Kothe kothe aa kudiye ni tanu baalo da yaar dikhawan…..Geeta Dutt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0lR740tnsM

2.Ik ik aankh meri sawa sawa lakh di…..Geeta dutt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLt7Ff-ekAc

855 ksbhatia October 28, 2016 at 6:59 pm

Ms. Mumbaikar8 ;

Revisited this song again after many weeks . Thought of sharing its beautiful composed lyrics by Hemant Kumar . I have no words to describe Lata ji’s beautiful emotional redention . This song is AK ji’s fav. too .

Aye mohabbat meri duniya mein tera kaam na tha….Bees Saal Baad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44-DhwQQAkg

856 ksbhatia November 22, 2016 at 6:14 pm

AK ji;

Sitting in a tune boat and sailing thru the various waves to find the subject matter that may attract my fellow companions . The navigations hits on an idea to find the ‘ versus ‘ songs , which sort of convey similar situations inciting the birth of similar songs both in melody and content . Its like having a good primer for a perfect painted wall. Three sets of examples are given below. Let us see if SoY members joins in to contribute more of such sets .

A . Nukkad songs ….
1. Azab tori duniya o more rama……Do bigha zamin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvfinOnL2cY

2.Chalat musafir moh liya re……Teesri Kassam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7m8hDAYFkE

3. Hariyala sawan dhol bajaata aya…….Do Bigha Zamin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcKm9OXY0bY

B. Separation songs……

1.Do pal ruka khwabon ka karwaan phir chal diye hum kahan tum kahan…. Veer Zara

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOK3egx58CE

2.Tu kahan main kahan…..Vazir E Azam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51VGlCIwgsQ

3. Alwida alwida alwida o sanam……Private song by Nina and Rajendra Mehta……my fav.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruNa-CXYC0Q

C.Romantic site….

1. Ek shenshah ne banwake haseen taj mahal……..Leader

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7ynxULSns8

2.Taj mahal mein aa jaana…..Private song…Neena and Rajendra Mehta

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bI_dvN_WK7M

857 AK November 23, 2016 at 11:37 am

KS Bhatiaji,
Very nice songs you have mentioned. On every theme you can find dozens of songs.

858 ksbhatia December 11, 2016 at 11:39 am

Today is Dilip Kumar’s Birthday . My family , brothers and sisters joins me in sending the birthday wishes to Dilip Saheb and saira ji on this great day. I can not suppress the fact how his films have entertained we all , in the Bhatia family , thru his great screen presence for so many decades . An institution in himself , a perfectionist to the minutest details leaving many footprints for others to follow .

It is difficult to select best of the song where he gave the best of his acting talent as well. But a song from Devdas do convey the feeling , fully living the character .

Mitwa lagi yeh kaisi lagan…….Talat…..SDB

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=218py1kN1AU

859 ksbhatia December 13, 2016 at 7:12 pm

AK ji ;

Today is another birthday of the great mastercrafter of all time…Raj Kapoor , the one that gave many lessons in film productions for classic generations to follow . Your various articles on Shankar Jaikishan have covered almost every song that pertained to RK films.

Here is a one by Salil da ,which though less popular, but has a stamping class of RK .

Thandee thandee savan ki phuwaar……Asha…..Jagte Raho….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JppOdHzH1_M

860 Ashok Kumar Tyagi December 14, 2016 at 8:30 am

AK ji
Another fabulous year on SoY is drawing to a close. Thanks for providing a series of lovely posts.

For choosing the Music Director for 2017, my suggested list to select from is :-

Madan Mohan
Ravi
Salil Chaudhary
S.N.Tripathi plus Chitragupta
Hemant Kumar plus Kalyanji Anandji
Thanks

861 ksbhatia December 14, 2016 at 9:05 am

AK ji ;
Remembring Shailendra on his death anniv. , a great soul that entertained us for many years with his simple and beautifully written songs for so many years . The classic listeners do feel absence of such great writers but they do live in every one’s heart. Recalling his soul connected song , there are many , but posting one of my fav…….tujhe apne paas bulati hai teri duniya……Patita….Talat….SJ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHQ5T9R2kU0

862 AK December 14, 2016 at 9:46 am

Tyagiji,
Thanks a lot. SoY has come to this stage because of support of readers like you, and most importantly the guest authors who have enhanced the SoY. Chitragupta, KA and Salil Chaudhary have been earlier featured on SoY, but they deserve more. The other MDs you have mentioned are all very important. There are several in my list. Insha Allah, 2017 should also be exciting.

863 ksbhatia December 17, 2016 at 6:37 pm

Arvinder Sharma , Hans ji[s] ;

Its a long time you both have not appeared and blessed the SoY with your collections . Hope every one is fine .

Giving a kick to my old charm vespa which still I adore it very much . Sharing two of Manna Dey’s most beautiful songs of vespa era of the 60′ s.
My good night songs and yours awakening songs .

Roop tumahra…….Sapera [1961]…..Ajit Merchent……

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbzlHCWRYMU

Chale ja rahe hain…..Kinare Kinare[1963]…..Jaidev…..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnLeUsqF12g

864 ksbhatia December 31, 2016 at 6:30 pm

AK ji ;
The year is coming to an end in a few minutes from now and it is my duty to thank SoY family for constantly entertaining with their valuable comments , observation and vies on so many nicely written articles thru out the year . The support that we all got thru various inputs of knowledge was amazing .

Here is a song which I propose as a toast for your blog to flourish for ever….

Zindgi ke safar mein akele they hum…..Rafi….Nartaki…Ravi ….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00Lc-fo0JVM

Me and my family wishes you and your family a very happy and musical new year . Enjoy live , love and laugh thru out the year and beyond.

865 mumbaikar8 December 31, 2016 at 11:04 pm

Bhatiaji,
Very nice song to ring in the New Year with.

HAPPY NEW YEAR TO SOY FAMILY

866 AK December 31, 2016 at 11:46 pm

KS Bhatiaji,
This is my greatest Rafi by Ravi favourite. Thanks a lot for the nice greetings which I heartily reciprocate.

867 D P Rangan January 1, 2017 at 5:49 am

Happy New Year and a great journey ahead in the musical world for SOY during 2017 and far beyond. I pray to God to give AK exceptional good health and retention of high mental calibre to enliven us with his twists and turns in the blogs he writes and the scholarly introduction he pens for guest articles.

868 AK January 1, 2017 at 11:22 am

DP Rangan,
Thanks a lot for your very kind words which I heartily reciprocate. You have already set off 2017 on SoY with a glorious guest article.

869 ksbhatia January 7, 2017 at 7:31 am

Sad to know the untimely death of the actor of the parallel cinema…OM PURI. The actor that rode the high wave with Ardh Satya starred in many Bollywood and Hollywood movies of the classic cinema . Be it serious or comic , he justified the roles to its minutest details and demand of the character ……. Watch the range from Gandhi to Ardh Satya to Mala mal Weekly.

I am not able to recall he singing any filmi song . However here is a song in the background which touches and reflect his personality .

Teri ankhoan se……Jagjit singh…..Dhoop…Lalit Sen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hX8kgyjeYY

870 mumbaikar8 January 7, 2017 at 2:59 pm

Bhatiaji,
Joining you in paying tribute to the great actor.
RIP Om Puri.

871 ksbhatia January 26, 2017 at 6:22 pm

Republic Day Greetings from me and my family to all the members of S o Y family . It rained all day long as predicted by Met Department ; as such was looking for some waltz number to get swayed to the idea of freedom .Struck upon the oldie dance number by Naushad sahib . Raj Kapoor and Suraiya swaying to the beautiful waltz in a song from Dastaan .

1.Tara ri aa ri ra ri…..Rafi, Suraiya…..Dastaan….Naushad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKoiZEmP6dw

This …tara ri …song prompted me to listen to more of such beautiful songs …..

2.Taara ra ram mere dil mein sanam….Lata…..Hoor E Arab….Gulam Mohd.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAmjckkjkJI

3.tara rum tara rum …..Kishore…..Awaaz…Salil Chowdhry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DxdKTEGs4E

4.Uthe sab ke kadam tara rum pum pum….Lata , Amit…Batoan batoan mein…..Rajesh Roshan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHqQ-rS63qM

I think there are few more songs on ….rum pum pum …theme .; will come back with more if found on YT .

872 AK January 27, 2017 at 5:58 am

KS Bhatiaji,
It must have been horrifying for those involved with the arrangements and those who ‘had’ to be present. But greetings to you and all. You have found quite a good number of songs on Ta ra rum.

873 ksbhatia February 4, 2017 at 2:49 pm

AK ji ;

By chance found a rare tarum pum pum comic song of Rafi sahib from equally unknown film….Kya yeh bombai hai . The film and song has many surprises in store , like
1.the hero of the movie is Maruti ! ,
2. the pedestrian dance direction amounting to giggles in the stomach ,
3. continuous funny foot taping by the co actor [ who could this be ?] a great effort by him to match the beats ,
4. Music director Bipin Dutta ‘s answer to the famous Rafi’s song ….Aye dil hai mushkil…

Here goes the song…

Yeh bombai sheher ka bada naam hai….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLjicxuvrcM

874 AK February 5, 2017 at 2:45 am

KS Bhatiaji,
Very nice discovery. It takes a non-cynical look at Bombay.

875 mumbaikar8 February 9, 2017 at 7:04 pm

AK, Bhatiaji, Ashokji,
I remember discussing this version song, but do not remember when and where tried to search but could not find it .
The Mukesh version of ye hansta hua karwan unknown female! Sounds like Mala Sinha? some stage permomance?
Original version Hemant Kumar and Asha Bhonsle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lYcliQ86KU

876 gaddeswarup February 19, 2017 at 6:01 am

mumbaikar8@875
One of the comments in your link “The Female Voice is of not much known singer Miss J. B. Bhisaniya. This name is mentioned on the 78RPM Record!”

877 mumbaikar8 February 19, 2017 at 1:09 pm

Gaddeswarupji,
Thanks for the name of the singer as well as the record number. I thought it was just performed somewhere.
I read somewhere as Geeta Dutt but was quite certain it was wrong.

878 gaddeswarup February 20, 2017 at 6:11 am

I remember reading somewhere ( and might have eben posted about it) that this flute version is by Roshan himself. Does anybody have information on this? http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xwb2vq_ae-ri-main-tu-prem-deewani-mera-dard-na-jane-koi-nau-bahar_music

879 ksbhatia February 26, 2017 at 5:54 pm

AK ji ;

Watched documentary on Music Director Khayyam just now on Doordarshan India TV channel ; presented and anchored by Sharad Dutt ji . He being one of my fav. music director , I enjoyed it thoroughly . Presenting one of his best composition from Razia Sultan….

Ae dil e nadan arzoo kya hai….Lata

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJRIAKQhaYA

880 mumbaikar8 April 4, 2017 at 10:14 am

Hello hello hello !
Testin testin testing

881 mumbaikar8 April 4, 2017 at 10:18 am

AK,
I was testing here because I cannot upload comments on
“Some unique good good songs”.
I have tried to uploaded response thrice. Can you do something about it?

882 mumbaikar8 April 4, 2017 at 10:25 am

RIP Kishori Amonkar.
I believe her mother was very upset when she sang for the Geet Gaya Patththronn that she had to promise her she will never do it again.
tilte song from geet gaya paththron ne

883 mumbaikar8 April 4, 2017 at 10:26 am
884 AK April 4, 2017 at 11:24 am

One of the greatest doyennes leaves us. RIP Kishori Amonkar.

885 AK April 4, 2017 at 11:25 am

Mumbaikar8,
For some odd reason your comment had landed in spam folder. It is posted now. Now there should be no problem.

886 mumbaikar8 April 4, 2017 at 11:30 am

AK,
Thank you for taking prompt action.

887 R Vasudevan April 9, 2017 at 4:36 am

I recently read two books.
1. In God’s voice – a biography on Mohamad Rafi written by
Raju Korti and his colleague. Beautifully written and well narrated with
a lot more anecdotes chipped in appropriate chapters. This extensively researched book not to be missed by Rafi fans. I enjoyed reading it.

2 The other book is written by Khagsh Dev Burman
on RD Burman. They are relatives. This biography is a welcome addition to one’s good book collection. Many unknown facts on RDB
one comes to know about the late composer a true genius.

888 Gaddeswarup April 29, 2017 at 9:29 pm
889 Arunkumar Deshmukh April 30, 2017 at 3:46 am

Gaddeswarup ji,

Big people make Big mistakes.
Actress Shehla and singer Khursheed were TWO SEPARATE persons. Here is the proof-

Here is an extract from the article on Shehla,from the famous Historian of H Films,Mr. Kamlakar Pasupuleti ji.
This will clarify all the facts-

Miss Shehla was one of the earliest actresses of the Hindustani stage and screen . She is often mistaken for veteran actress and singer Khursheed . Needless to say they both are entirely different persons born in different cities hundreds of miles apart . It is not the purpose of this blog to write about Khursheed as plenty has been written about her .

The only theater company Shehla worked for was Madan Theaters of Calcutta . Her career commenced in 1928 as a stage actress and ended after seven years in 1935 .

Her real name was ShamsunNisa . She belonged to a good Muslim family of Kanpur . She was educated in Lucknow . Like her mother she wished to be a good house wife . She was an average looking girl and had no knowledge of dancing and singing . After her father’s death her mother got her married to a youth who was working on stage for Madan theatrical Co , After marriage her husband started pressurizing her to work on the stage .Shahla was unwilling as she always thought singing and dancing on stage is not meant for a domestic wife . She was unable to convince her husband , so she joined the Madan theatersunwillingly . After joining the theater her husband deserted her . Poor and helpless Shehlawas left with no option but to earn her living through acting . She kept on roaming where ever she was made to act . She acted in many stage dramas . Her first role in talkie was Laila Majnu – 1931 in which she performed a good dance , later in the same year she acted inShakuntala . She was given major roles in Hatheli Dulhan & Chatra Bakavali . She played the lead role of a heroine in Muflis Aashiq -1932 and Naqli Doctor – 1933 and established herself as a heroine . Her later film was Diljaani – 1935 . She did not get much recognition as a singer . She spoke chaste Urdu and lead a simple life .

Filmography of Shehla

As stage actress ( 1928 – 1930 )

Alibaba –
Harishchandra –

Movies of Shehla

1931 Laila Majnu – Mst Nissar , Kajjan
1931 Shakuntala – Mst Nissar , Kajjan
1932 Muflis Ashaq – Vittaldas , Mukhtar Begum
1932 Hathili Dulhan- Abbas , Patience Cooper , Mukhtar Begum
1932 Chatra Bakavali – Mst Nissar , Kajjan , Mukhtar Begum
1933 Aankh Ka Nasha – Cawasji , Kajjan & Laxmi

1933 Nakli Doctor – Surajram , Patience C , Miss Badami
1935 Diljaani – Mst Fida Hussain , Leelavati

Filmi Duniya a monthly magazine in Urdu of 1930’s published from Hyderabad Deccan updates in a note that Shehla fell gravely ill in 1934 . Her neighbor a petty businessman took care of her . On her recovery they got married . Shehla proved lucky for him as his business flourished . After completing her assignment at Madan theaters the couple moved over to Lucknow . Shehla was a devotee Hazrat Waris Ali Shah of Deva Sherief , Barabanki .
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890 Gaddeswarup April 30, 2017 at 10:58 am

Arunkumarji, Thanks for the clarification.

891 Canasya May 3, 2017 at 2:33 pm

While looking for a piece from SJ’s Gumnaam I stumbled on to this LokSabha TV video on the unsung heroes of HFM:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B5khEAjQLE

Apologies if someone has posted it earlier.

892 AK May 3, 2017 at 4:08 pm

Canasya,
I don’t think it has been posted earlier. This is wonderful. Thanks a lot.

893 Arunkumar Deshmukh May 4, 2017 at 4:55 pm

In this Rajya sabha VDO on Arrangers, Ashok Sharma,Sitar wadak, who speaks on the screen, is the son of Music Director Bhagatram of Husnalal -Bhagatram jodi.
Though the surname of Bhagatram was Batish, Ashok ji uses Sharma, as this is also a Brahmin surname and will not indicate his link with Bhagatram Batish.
I am having a regular contact with him on phone. He is an A grade artist on A.I.R. also.
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894 ksbhatia May 12, 2017 at 5:42 pm

Wow !! Both Husanlal and Bhagatram ‘s sons were my schoolmates [ junior to me ] and they both used to perform violin in school assembly on visits of V I P s to our school …. Harcourt Butler Higher Secondary School , Mandir Marg, New Delhi .
I think Husanlal’s son is in States and has opened an academy there . My younger brother , who was his class mate , is in touch with him over facebook . I think he was present during the last annual school meet when actor Satish Kaushik was also present .

Chup chup khade ho jaroor koi baat hai…..was the fav. of guest persons.

895 Gaddeswarup May 13, 2017 at 11:42 am

Casanyaji at #891 There seems to be one more part https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D12iE3E0O5o

896 ksbhatia May 24, 2017 at 6:31 am

Recalling old gem of Rafi Naushad combo song after a long time…..

Zindgi aaj mere naam se pachhtati hai……Son Of India

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHqzwsiB-ws

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898 Raghavan Vasudevan June 14, 2017 at 4:03 am

Hai,

My childhood period was at Delhi and studied there for 12 years. Any of our members had their early education at Delhi, if so let me make a request to them to say in brief where they lived.

I lived at Moti Bagh, Sarojini Nagar, Karol Bagh and Raj Nagar.

899 ksbhatia June 16, 2017 at 6:25 pm

The best time i have spend in my childhood was around gole dak khanna …..Reading Road , Rouse Lane, Irwin Road, Mahadev Road and Allenby Road . These names of the roads have now have different names .

Harcourt Butler at Reading Road [ now known as Mandir Marg ] is the school where i did my higher secondary , passing out in 1963.Father retiring , We stayed at Allenby Road till 1967 and there after moved to green park and finally in our own house in vasant vihar.

Raghavan ji , if you are around these places at that moment of time it will be fun remembring and sharing old good times that we had gone thru extended british time period of the late 40s thru mid 60s.

Remembring the god gifted talent of Uma Devi [Tun Tun] ……

Dilwale o Dilwale jal jal kar……Natak…..Naushad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BpcWs7DAbg

…..and another talented singer…..Mubarak Begum……

O Dilwale Nigahen mila lena…..Circus Queen…..Shafi Nagri

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zNy0GiIBRk

The back clock movement generally helps in finding the rare gems.

900 ksbhatia June 16, 2017 at 6:40 pm

AK ji ;
Two songs …..same mukhada .

Mori payal geet sunaiye……Lata……Baap Bete…..MM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo5raE7-gnE

Mori payal geet sunaiye……Usha Mangeshkar….Tarzan and Delilah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLmFfu_MAyM

……900 and still going strong…..come one come all to make it to 1000.

901 AK June 16, 2017 at 8:25 pm

KS Bhatiaji,
Thanks for the songs. MM’s composition is a class apart.

902 Gaddeswarup July 10, 2017 at 1:49 am
903 Gaddeswarup July 23, 2017 at 4:41 am
904 Giri July 29, 2017 at 7:16 pm

Thank you Swaroop ji for bringing this article to the eyes of SOY followers. Although I dont watch movies of present times, whatever music I hear seems to leave a big hollow as far as sad songs are concerned.

905 Ashok Kumar Tyagi August 5, 2017 at 11:09 pm

AK ji
Greetings to you and all readers for forthcoming festivals.
Sir ji baarish ka mausam Hai. Chalo ek khel khelte hain.

I give herein names of a few well known actors. And against these names I indicate one or two MDs. Presumption is like this:
Suppose the actor in question was to produce a movie after becoming famous, the MD mentioned would’ve been the favoured composer to be given charge of that movie.

Dilip K. Naushad
Dev A. SDB
RK. SJ
Bhagwan. CR
Guru Dutt. OPN/SDB
Shammi K. SJ
Sunil Datt. Jaidev/Ravi
Rajendra K. SJ/Naushad
Mehmood. RDB
Johnny W. OPN/Ravi
Joy Mukherjee OPN
Biswajeet. Hemant/OPN
Madhubala. OPN
Mala Sinha. SJ/Madan Mohan
Ashok K. OPN/Ravi/Chitragupta
Raj Kumar. SJ/Ravi
Regards

906 AK August 6, 2017 at 9:19 am

Tyagiji,
I was surprised by the omission of my great favourite Roshan from your list.

Bharat Bhushan – Roshan
Pradeep Kumar – Roshan

In Shammi Kapoor, you can also add OP Nayyar.

907 R Vasudevan August 6, 2017 at 5:04 pm

I would add

Rajesh Khanna – RDB
Asha Parikh – Lakshmikanth Pyarelal
Manoj Kumar – Kalyanji Anandji.

Raj Kapoor having signed SJ for almost all his films but ditched them after the death of Jaikishan. It took a lot of time for me to digest this fact being a fan of SJ. Raj experimented with LP in Bobby, then RDB for Dharam Karam, Ravindra Jain for Ram teri Ganga maili. Had Jai not died so early Raj still would have opted for other music directors as mentioned above is doubtful.

908 Ashok Kumar Tyagi August 6, 2017 at 6:04 pm

AK and RV
Agree with you. It is likely that in 1955 Bharat B would have taken Naushad (Shabab, Baiju B). Now what about
Nargis
Nutan
Vyjayanti Mala
V Shantaram

Regards

909 AK August 6, 2017 at 8:41 pm

V Shantaram – Vasant Desai (In the Vintage Era, Keshavrao Bhole; Master Krishnarao)

Heroines didn’t determine choice of MD.

910 Giri August 10, 2017 at 8:18 pm

How about the hero working with a new MD against the usual ones?
For example:
RK with Qayyam (Phir subah hogi)
Dev Anand with Jaidev (Hum Dono)
Dilip Kumar with LP (Dastan)

911 ksbhatia August 15, 2017 at 12:10 pm

RK with Dattaram…..Parvarish
with Roshan…..Dil hi to hai
with Naushad…..Dastan
Dev Anand with SJ…..Pyar Mohabbat , Asli Naqli, Jab pyar kisi se hota
hai , Kahin aur chal
with Kalyanji Anandji……Banarsi Babu , Kala Baaz , Mahal,
Johny mera naam
with C Ramchander….Sarhad, Baarish , nirala , amar Deep,
Namoona, Insaniyat
with Husanlal Bhagatram……Mohan , Biraha ki Raat, Hum
Ek Hain, Stage , Sanam ,
Dushman
with Rajesh Roshan….Desh Pradesh, Loot Maar, Main
Solan Baras Ki, Man Pasand and one
or two more movies
with Bhappi Lahri……sau Crore, Awal Number, Saache ka
bole bala , Amaan ke Farishte
[ I think together these MDs outnumber SDB and RDB movies]

……will come back for more .

Here I take the opportunity to wish my fellow members a very happy janamashtmi and Happy Independence Day as well .

Of all the versions of …..saare jahan se acha….song , the one I like the most is by Asha ….film Bhai Bahain , Music …N. Dutta

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QE3FGjsAZZk

912 ksbhatia August 15, 2017 at 12:21 pm

Happy Janamashtmi to all the members of So Y family . Two songs that are my fav. are here to share .

O Mere sanwale salone piya…..Lata ……. Kanhaiya…..SJ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAMLkYfxJEw

Murli Bairan Bhai…..Lata….New Delhi…..SJ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyMTQBMjdvs

913 AK September 22, 2017 at 4:47 am

RIP Shakeela
Passed away on Sept 20.

914 ksbhatia September 25, 2017 at 3:38 pm

AK ji;

Very sad to know about Shakila passing away . Along with that…..to me, her memories come back of her great screen presence in the movies of 50s and 60s . The two songs that I rate as Gurudutt ‘s class touch are ……Babu ji dheere chalna….and….Hoon abhi mein jawan …..both from Aar Paar wherein Shakila acting and dance excelled in giving justice to the beautiful OPN’s melodies .

I pray for Shakila’s soul to rest in peace .

915 AK October 1, 2017 at 10:09 am

RIP Tom Alter.
One of my great favourites. Lucky to have seen him live in at least two plays, besides his famous films and TV serials. Wished I could see him live in more plays. Hope they have videographed his Ghalib.

916 arvind October 1, 2017 at 6:11 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhJdWEFR85E

Tom Alter reciting Ghalib’s
‘rahiye ab aisi jagah’….
RIP Tom Alter.

917 Hasmukh Joshi October 2, 2017 at 3:34 am

There are lot of songs based on Arabic/Israeli middle eastern music in hindi films. If somebody can attempt to bring these together in one place it would be awesome. A few I remember are
Husnan ala hai ya habi Har Nazar main so paymane by Usha Khanna later copied by A. R. Rehman in Jalwa dikha diya hamne in Hindustani
Havva Aziza Havva also Usha Khanna in Main hoon Alladin
Vai Vai Main Mar Gayi by LP in Gaddar filmed on Padma Khanna
Hai kali kali ke lab per tere husn ka fasana

I have recently come across this website and enjoy it sooooooo… much…..
Keep it up!

918 AK October 2, 2017 at 6:03 am

Hasmukh Joshi,
Welcome to SoY and thanks a lot for your appreciation. Songs based on Arabic/Middle Eastern tunes were very popular in md-50s to early 60s, such as in Yahudi, Halaku and Yasmin etc

919 ksbhatia October 8, 2017 at 12:05 am

Hasmukh Joshi ji;

This sub stage of SoY had many adventures in the past choosing the title and contributing songs thereupon . Going thru again and again is a great pleasure beside it being the referals also.

Like you I too want some contributions for songs covering …..Sand, Camels and Caravans . We can number them for references whenever required .

920 AK October 8, 2017 at 9:53 am

KS Bhatiaji, Hasmukh Joshi
Sand, camels, caravan, Arabic music. It is interesting topic. Instead of simply listing the songs, the topic deserves a nice write up.

921 Hasmukh Joshi October 9, 2017 at 7:41 am

Namaste from Houston, Texas. I cannot write up nicely like some of the writers on this blog have done. Actually such write ups add to the beauty of the songs and make these old classics shine more by bringing their all facets to light. I would like the songs to be based on arabic/israeli music rather than sand, camels and desert. We have these in Bharat too but we have our Bhartiya music. Songs based on middle eastern music would be something new.
I will continue to look forward to the day when somebody writes up these songs and list them beautifully one after the other so other knowledgeable minds can add more of such songs.

922 Ashok Kumar Tyagi October 11, 2017 at 8:27 pm

AK ji,
There is a good news for Delhi-wallahs. Chanakya Cinema has reopened after a long break. Two kms down South-west we have Sangam Cinema which had opened some time back after lengthy closure. In these long years Priya Cinema has been a popular place for residents of South Delhi. It is a spacious hall – I think our Bhatia Sir lives close-by in Vasant Vihar.
My association with these three halls is over 45 years old. There was a time when Priya showed re-runs of old classic films. I saw movies like Anarkali & Haqeeqat and enjoyed lovely songs(Priya had an excellent sound system.
Thanks.

923 AK October 11, 2017 at 11:13 pm

Tyagiji,
Chanakya has been a part of my life for many years I was in Satya Marg, when I, my wife and the two daughters would walk down for a movie followed by a bite at Nirula’s. In the glitzy avatar it wouldn’t really be the same, but it is great news nevertheless.

924 R Vasudevan October 12, 2017 at 6:01 pm

Glad to know from SOY source that Chanakya cinema is re-opining. Having lived in Delhi during my School and youth phase of my life I have seen films in many theaters in CP, old Delhi area. If some one can inform whether the following move halls are still existing and showing films.

Sudharshan
Race course cinema behind Safdarjung airport
Golcha Paharganj
Delite Asaf Ali Road
Sheela near ND Rly stn.

925 PH Bharadia October 13, 2017 at 1:26 am

AK Sahib,
I read your ‘Open House’ section in S of Y,very interesting information
one can get in it.
Having said it, I would humbly request to you re-arranged listeners letters in ascending dates order( put first recent dates following later dates), to read recent readers views in current system one has to scroll-down that takes good time to find read recent comments.
I think generally readers always read recent date correspondence first.
I highly appreciate your interesting blog for Hindi Film Music.
Thank you.

926 AK October 13, 2017 at 6:37 am

PH Bharadia,
Welcome to SoY and thanks a lot for your information. The sidebar on the left side shows the most recent 24 comments. In each post it appears more logical to read the comments in the order they appeared. One option is to change the display to show a certain number of comments on a post on the page, the remaining either ‘on the next page’ or ‘the previous page’. Let me see how the display can be made more helpful

927 gaddeswarup October 15, 2017 at 1:39 pm

One can also press on ‘leave a comment’ to go to the last page (and then do not leave a comment).

928 Ashok Kumar Tyagi October 19, 2017 at 9:12 pm

AK ji,
Happy deepawali to yourself, all readers and family members.

929 AK October 19, 2017 at 10:31 pm

Tyagiji,
Thanks a lot for your greetings. Wishing the same to you and all.

930 ksbhatia October 29, 2017 at 10:57 pm

AK ji ;

With winter knocking the doors its a fun time to carry on the sub mini series that we all started in this forum long time back and sit and enjoy the winter chill as it get more pleasent.

Just now I was hearing old Rafi song …..Woh sadki Kahen isyi ya diwangi kahen ….and idea struck that many such songs are there with common words like….khodiya , paaliya , milgaya ,lutadiya… etc. So why not collect such songs to be at one place .

To make ball roll , here is the starter……

1. Khamosh zindgi ko ek afsana mil gaya…..Jagjit Kaur….Dil E Nadan…GM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSVknTdMY9k

2. Woh sadgi kahen ise….Rafi….Shama…..GM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXgUv3xoOmY

931 AK October 30, 2017 at 1:10 am

KS Bhatiaji,
If you mean rhyming at the end – radeef or kaafia? But it is an essential feature of a ghazal. Non-ghazal songs too have rhyming ending.

932 Canasya November 5, 2017 at 6:48 pm

Some members of the SoY family may remember fondly Mr. Ripusudan Kumar Allahabadi, one of the announcers of Radio Ceylon during the late 70s/early 80s. You can hear him again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lx633zSem5k

933 AK November 6, 2017 at 9:38 am

Canasya,
Thanks a lot for sharing this. Radio Ceylon’s charm was its galaxy of announcers. My favourite was Manohar Mahajan. I don’t recall Ripusudan. But it was nice of Radio Ceylon to honour him. It is amazing that even after 37 years his voice is so crisp.

934 Canasya November 6, 2017 at 4:31 pm

AK ji,

Manohar Mahajan, of course. But my favourite used to be Dalbir Singh Parmar. Currently they have Jyoti Parmar, his daughter.

http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Repository/getFiles.asp?Style=OliveXLib:LowLevelEntityToPrint_TOINEW&Type=text/html&Locale=english-skin-custom&Path=TOIBG/2010/02/14&ID=Ar00201

935 Gaddeswarup November 6, 2017 at 6:09 pm
936 ksbhatia November 16, 2017 at 3:59 pm

Saddened by the demise of the most photogenic actress of the golden period Shyama…..an expression of many sorrows and joys of silver screen . A smile for many to attract…..Aye dil mujhe bataa de tu kis pe aa gaya hai. A tear in exchange of sorrow…….Ja ja ja o bewafa , kaisa pyar kaisi preet re .

Here is a tear and a smile rare song in her memory…..

Majhi meri naiya ko ji chahe…….Lata…Char Paise[1955]…B D Burman
[ a melody par excellence .]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3x7ZhWU2uA&index=3&list=PL0N5Xw9ii8-_kPEQl_2sOZo597RHsPgcX

937 R Vasudevan November 16, 2017 at 5:40 pm

Yes, indeed a sad news to hear about the passing away of Shyama one of the beautiful heroines of a bygone era. I was a school when I saw Aar-paar, Choomantar Choti Behan, etc and do not remember anything about these films but the songs memory has remained. When I see these songs in video I recall my younger days. She married Fali Mistry who was a great camera man. His films Guide and Johny Mera Naam stands out as his best creation behind the camera. What a pair they were.

938 mumbaikar8 November 16, 2017 at 9:36 pm

ksbhatiaji,
RIP Shyama
Thanks for the beautiful song picturised on Shyama.
She has lip-synched so many memorable songs.
Even her negative roles had best of songs, one such duet from Bhabhi
Chhupa Kar Meri Ankhon Ko
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D22JpfXaa3U

939 AK November 16, 2017 at 10:51 pm

RIP Shyama.
She was vivacious on the screen and got some excellent song to lip-synch.

940 ksbhatia November 18, 2017 at 12:30 am

R Vasudevan ji;

Fali Mistry was famous for his Guru Dutt and Mehboob Khan Production too . Raj Kapoor too roped in him for Barsaat before Taru Dutt and Radhu Karmarkar becoming permanent cinematographers .

Fali Mistry is most remembered for his beautiful camera work for Dilip , Nargis starrer Babul . Beside Fali Mistry , V K Murthy was another master craftsman for Guru Dutt movies like Aar Paar , Kagaz Ke Phool etc. All these Were masters of B&W photography . Another fav.of mine is the legend Dwarka Diwecha who gave many memorable films in B&W as also the colored ones . At the age of 70 he was Director of Photography for Sholay. The photography truly speaks for their wonderful work which we do remember them passionately till date .

I think Shyama married Fali Mistry when both were working together in a film .

941 ksbhatia November 18, 2017 at 12:41 am

Ms. Mumbaikar 8;

You are perfectly right ; the song …..Majhi meri naiya ko…..is really beautifully picturised …; and so have captured the mood thru perfect light and shade photography .

But what take me to higher level of listening pleasure is the lyrics and the beautiful melody composed , by rather unknown MD….B D Burman and a very heart full rendering by Lata ji . Her humming in the song indicates how she is enjoying singing the melody.

The first stanza is very symbolic of the departure of Shyama . May her soul rest in peace .

942 R Vasudevan November 18, 2017 at 8:16 am

Ref 940.
Photography/camera work of Hindi films is rarely discussed in SOY and thanks to Bhatiaji for bringing this topic into focus. I will post a much
detailed comments later today.

943 R Vasudevan November 18, 2017 at 5:28 pm

Like great Music Directors in Hindi cinema there were may stalwarts and ace camera men whose work behind the camera are great.
To recall their greatness in a posting like this is difficult yet I name a few of them. The beauty of Kashmir valley were shot beautifully by
camera men like Taru Dutt (Jab Jan Phool Kile, janwar), K Vaikunt (Raaj), V Gopalakrishna (Kashmir ki Kali, Kati Patang) G Singh(Arzoo)
Alok Das Gupta (Aaradhana) and some great Black & white films of V K Murthy (Kagaz ke Phool and other Guru Dutt movies),
Subrato Mitra (Teesri Kasam), and excellent camera work of Fareedoon A Irani (Mother India) Marcus Batley (Saathi, Ram aur Shyam)
K K Mahajan (Chit chor, Piya ka Ghar) are some I quote and the list goes on. There were some and do not remember their works. Hats off to them all.

944 ksbhatia November 18, 2017 at 11:02 pm

R Vasudevan ji;
I think we should bring out the best songs which high have captured the respective mood in a fine way . To quote an example …..K H Kapadia did a splendid job in capturing the expressions thru close ups in the song…..Gum naam hai koyi. Likewise Bees Saal Baad is another movie which is a landmark for rich B@W movies.

945 R Vasudevan November 19, 2017 at 6:44 pm

Yes I agree. The mood of expression is better conveyed in black & white films. Here are some great camera
work in my opinion.

1. Dil ek Mandir (A Vincent) ruk ja raath tehar ja chanda Meena Kumari at her best –
the role she does no well. close up shots taken from so many different angles and Meena
does not move at all. Amazing camera work.
2 Tere Ghar ke samne (V Ratra) dil ka bamar kare pukar – romantic song shot
inside qutab minar.
3 Anupama ( Jayavanth Pathare) – kuch dil ne kaha kuch bi nahi Lata’s great song. The heroine is expressing
through her feelings that she has fallen in love.
4 Jaal (V K Murthy) ye raath ye chaandini – a juicy romantic song by Hemanth kumar shot well on Dev Anand
5 Jis desh mein ganga bahthi hai (Radhu Kamatkar ) aa aab lout chale – a great song known for
its rich orchestration filmed beautifully
6 Kala baazar – koya koya chand – Dev Anand in jolly good mood.
7 Aaj aur kal – (ye wadhiya ye fizaye bula rahi) lovely location and some beautiful close up of Nanda and Sunil Dutt
8 Woh kaun Thi (lag ja gale) fine close up shots of Sadhana

and the list goes on For sl no 6 7 and 8 6 camera man not known.
Directors like Raj Kapoor, Guru Dutt, Raj Khosla, Vijay Anand, Bimal Roy to name some are known for
superb song picturisation and in Tamil films CV Sridhar and Bheem sing.

946 ksbhatia November 22, 2017 at 12:04 am

R Vasudevan ji;

You really are a sharp visualiser . The listed songs truly stands for well photographed songs conveying the moods from best angles , keeping the tone and texture of B&W effects highlighting the background with perfect contrast .

Well the cinematographer for songs @6,7&8 are ….V Ratra , B M Jogalekar & K H Kapadia . Kapadia did fantastic photography in Gumnam too .

Gum naam hai koi [ for excellent close ups ]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kjyr9JYd3-I

Radhu Karmakar’s excellence in Shree420…..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rW72kDrJvwA

…and now a journey of eye drop in every frame as song proceeds . Beautiful photography by V K Murthy . Beautiful editing too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2KuE2G043w

…..to be contd.

947 ksbhatia November 22, 2017 at 12:17 am

Some rare beautiful songs picturised on artists who sang rarely on screen……

1. Jise dhundti phirti hai meri nazar…..Rafi, Geeta….Sheesh Mahal [1950]….Vasant Desai

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN3eWinzwKA&list=RDAN3eWinzwKA&t=31

2. Chowpati pe kal jo tumse …Rafi, Shamshad….Afsana [1951]…HB

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqyymkZT9O0

948 mumbaikar8 November 25, 2017 at 2:44 am

Meena Kapoor Passed away yesterday!
Read she was suffering for some time.
May her soul rest in peace.

949 arvind November 25, 2017 at 10:08 pm
950 ksbhatia November 26, 2017 at 12:25 am

Sad to know Meena Kapoor is no more . The soft voice , that carried many smiles in all of us , will always be remembered for her beautiful songs . kuchh aur zamana kaheta hai……is a treat for passionate listeners ; and so is …..Meri atariya pe kaga bole.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUe-6YMrtB8

951 Canasya November 27, 2017 at 12:54 am

AK ji:

Manohar Mahajan’s published memoirs in his own voice:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w22XQbA1nUA

952 AK November 27, 2017 at 7:44 am

Canasya,
Thanks a lot for sharing this. I would listen to all the parts at leisure. He has since published it in the book form which I bought for the nostalgia. I should warn the book is very poorly written and pubished (in terms of language, spelling, printing quality).

953 ksbhatia December 4, 2017 at 10:57 pm

Hearing about the loss of Shashi Kapoor has really saddened me . His kind and ever smiling face will always remain in our mind . My sincere condolences goes to Kapoor Families . May God rest his soul in peace.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZvTh-oKwzM

954 AK December 5, 2017 at 3:28 pm

RIP Shashi Kapoor. One word which comes to my mind when I think of him is ‘gentleman’. His persona off- and on-screen evoked the image of a good guy. As a Hindi film actor, he occupied space in the middle, but he made great contributions as producer of films which broke new grounds. Our films still need the Handsome Kapoor.

955 Arunkumar Deshmukh December 11, 2017 at 11:18 am

I am bringing a new point here.
Generally it is considered that Husnlal- Bhagatram was the first pair of composers or at least they started the trend. However, it is NOT true, really. In the early era, when the Talkie films started in 1931, as early as 1932 itself a pair of 2 composers worked for a film- Indrasabha-1932, which had a record 71 songs. Composer Vazir Khan made the tunes and composer Nagardas Nayak played them on Harmonium.Though only Nagardas Nayak’s name is mentioned as its Music Director, HFGK has put up a footnote giving this information, quoting the name of composer Fida Hussain. OK, forget them.

Rewashankar marwadi and Gangaprasad pathak gave music together for Gunsundari- 1934 as well as film Raat ki Raani-35. Forget them also. Rewashankar marwadi then made a pucca pair with composer Banne Khan and this pair gave music to 12 films, as a pair. ( Barrister’s wife-35, College girl-35, Qeemati aansoo-35, Noor-e-watan-35, Chalaak chor-36, Raj Ramani-36, Dil ka daaku-36, Sipahi ki sajani-36, Matalabi Duniya-36, Lehri lala-36, Gaazi Diler-36 and Mitti ka putla-37 ). In my opinion, they should be considered the first pair of MDs as well as Trend setters and NOT Husnlal-Bhagatram. Of course the number of films H-B team did was more ( 52), but that is because after 1935, the speed of making films increased. More films were made in the 40s and the 50s than in the 30s. Moreover many composers left for Pakistan in late 40s, so more films for less composers were available.

Numbers aside, but lack of enough knowledge about the early films and artistes has led to much injustice to the Pioneers, for sure !
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956 AK December 11, 2017 at 2:05 pm

Arunji,
The early films and music are a black box to a great extent. Therefore, it is safer to qualify that HB are the first recognised duo music directors of Hindi films. That begs the question, what about RC Boral-Pankaj Mullick? They have been jointly credited for some films, though it is not conclusively known whether there was a distinct division among them. And what about SJ? Officially, they were a seamless duo, but it is commonly claimed that they divided the songs among themselves based upon their own strengths, such as Shankar for classical dance, Jaikishan for romantic. My own mnemonic is Shankar-Shailendra; Jaikishan-Hasrat Jaipuri. I do not how far it is correct.

The same holds good for several other ‘firsts’. For example, very respected publications mention Saraswati Devi as the first female music director. Again the same general qualification solves all the problems.

957 Manoj December 20, 2017 at 6:57 am

Wish someone makes collection of songs with good print showing “Nostalgic sceneries of BOMBAY (MUMBAI) and SURROUNDINGS” 0f 1940s, 1950s and 1960s.

958 ksbhatia December 22, 2017 at 11:41 pm

Adding to yoddlie songs ….this rare melodious duet by Kishore and Meena Kapoor from the 1953 movie ….Mashooka . A very sweet song with yoddling on the beats of dholak and beautiful harmonium/ piano acordeon .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrPc3pbg5Y4

959 AK December 23, 2017 at 8:06 am

KS Bhatiaji,
Nice song. The yodelling seems to be a standard template, done in ‘Jhumroo’, too.

960 Canasya January 11, 2018 at 11:21 pm

Did you know that we owe the Geetkosh to ‘Gujara hua zamana’? Here is the full story of HFGK in the voice of the great man himself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym7U_x1ktJE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhNwWjJXE0M

Apologies if these have been posted earlier.

961 ksbhatia January 12, 2018 at 12:44 am

Canasya ;

Many thanks for the HFGK uploads. You really made my Day . Being Sikh myself I have found another brother in him ……brother that is passionate to the core of his heart ; following songs and music intensely and cooly too. His Zeal is truly an example for his followers. What he says about times of mid 60s is a nostalgic memory of my life too. It was like a hobby …..looking for MDs and song writers name .

962 ksbhatia January 22, 2018 at 11:30 pm

My family joins me in sending the warm Basant Panchmi greetings to S o Y family. The first day of spring in the Hindu Calendar . …a celebration in yellow and saferon .

With spring in air and blossoms everywhere…..here is a rare song from an old movie Basanta Bahar……a movie that had both hindi as ell as bengali songs .

Naavni kali…..Hira Bai , Amir Khan…..hindi, bengali ….Basanta Bahar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rriysmAcWO0

963 ksbhatia February 5, 2018 at 12:08 am

Two songs for the passionate vintage followers . Theses are the songs of the mid / late 30s and see how they laid the foundation of songs of the early / mid 60s.

1. Lo ji memsaab , hamra pista bahut achha……Hero No.1 [1939]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ELSTwh7oX4

2. Kis ne hai yeh reet banaiye……Gram Kanya / Village Girl[1936]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwC7Osr-8nY

964 AK February 5, 2018 at 8:46 am

KS Bhatiaji,
Thanks for sharing these songs.

965 AK February 25, 2018 at 8:00 am

R.I.P. Sridevi,
Dear friends,
I woke up to a most shocking news that Sridevi is no more. She passed away last night in Dubai due to cardiac arrest. She had gone there for a wedding.

She entered films as a chirpy, ebullient actor who lighted up the screen with frothy, light-hearted roles. She acquired an iconic status for her Hawa hawai act in Mr. India. After a gap, her reincarnation as a serious actor in meaningful roles was equally impressive. She was absolutely great in English Vinglish and Mom. A great future has been cut short.

Deeply saddened at her demise.

966 N Venkataraman February 25, 2018 at 5:50 pm

Indeed very sad and shocking. Let her soul rest in peace.

967 ksbhatia March 7, 2018 at 11:08 pm

AK, Hans, Arvinder Sharma ‘Ji[s];

I think all of us have seen the old classic film Deedar a number of times and to the extent that everyone knows the songs by heart and every bit of dialogues as well . There is one scene where Ashok Kumar is looking at Nargis foto remembring her with a beautiful line ….Yaad mein teri is jahan ko bhhulta jaata hun mein…., at this point the scene shift to Dilip Kumar who complete rest of the lines….Bhuulne wale tuj ko bhi yaad aata hun mein….thru a very appropriate editing and direction .

Deedar was produced some time in 1950/51 . A little known is the fact that these lines were taken from one of the song of the vintage film …..Jawani Ka Nasha [1935] ….sung by Mukhtar Begam . For everyone delight here is the song….

Yaad mein teri jahaan ko…..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5-lRnDqa4w

968 AK March 8, 2018 at 7:46 am

KS Bhatiaji,
Wonderful. कहां कहां से ये सब ढूंढ कर लाते हैं!

969 ksbhatia March 8, 2018 at 2:25 pm

AK ji ;

I just tried reverse sweep to a wide ball and got a four. We will see how India fares in todays match against Bangla Desh . The India’s cricket team seems to be depleted one. Bangla , on other hand , are becoming stronger and stronger.

970 ksbhatia March 8, 2018 at 2:49 pm

SoY members ;

Sad to learn about demise of veteran actress Shammi . After doing a number of pre and post golden period films she continued her acting passion on TV serial too . It is learned that she was being looked after by Asha Parekh for quite time …..and why not, she has send a strong message to the industry…..once a friend , always a friend . I can recall one of the filmfare issue of the mid 50s [ probably 1956 or 57 ] that carried the article and fotos of group of actresses who are fast friends and they were all enjoying some picnic in a garden and doing hoola hoop and other games. They were Shammi , Jabeen, Waheeda Rehman , Asha Parekh and probably Sadhna too.

Shammi excelled in comic and teaser roles and she was at ease when co starred with established actors . A song in her remembrence…….

Hai unki woh nigaahen….Asha…..Aakhri Dao…….MM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFOLdvhKgB8

971 ksbhatia March 19, 2018 at 12:10 am

Ms. Mumbaikar8, Ms. Shalan Lal , Ak’ji ….;

The voice of a singer that fine tunes the composition of a forgotten , nay , never known composer. Yes , was listening to some songs of C grade movies that hold surprises of some beautiful far hidden songs ……that create a nostalgic memories down the retro path …..a soul touching , delightful and spellbinding qawwali is here for all of SoY members to enjoy Radio Days .

Aaj unke Paay e naaz pe…..Kabban Mirza , two others…Captain Azaad[1964]….Peter Nawab [MD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycExFaHKw5g

Kabban Mirza has sung two songs in Razia Sultana [1983] but we have never heard of Music Director Peter Nawab . Listening to rest of the songs of Captain Azaad is a good experience too.

972 AK March 19, 2018 at 8:37 am

KS Bhatiaji,
This is a fabulous song. Thanks for posting it.

973 N Venkataraman March 19, 2018 at 3:32 pm

Bhatiaji,
A nice find. Thanks for sharing it.

974 Shalan Lal March 19, 2018 at 5:49 pm

ksbahtia@971
Yes certainly it is a wonderful song.

I think Bhatiaji you also have stumbled over a new subject title probably could be “Gold Nuggets ” in C grade movies you never wanted to see.

But who would like to go where no person has gone before?

Shalan La

975 ksbhatia March 20, 2018 at 12:44 am

Ms. Shalan Lal, Venkatraman ji , AK ji ;

I believe it is our nature to seek beauty and variety is surely an essence of senses. It does seem that beauty is relative and may differ from person to person ; but it surely holds the promise of happiness . Look at the beautiful landscape fotos or paintings and add to it the beautiful background classical instrumental music and see to itself the beauty getting enhanced…… adding to the thrill of watching them again and again .

To me exploring songs of some films , which i saw and which i missed , irrespective of them being B or C grade , is not only a fun but a treat also . As of now I am looking for songs of movies with CAPTAIN as prefix , like…..Captain Sheeroo , Captain Azaad, Captain India, Captain Kirti Kumar …..etc. Here is one as a starter…..

Badal jaaye duniya na badlen ge hum….Talat….Captain Kishore…Chitragupt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr8I6UEpuZ0

976 N Venkataraman March 20, 2018 at 1:22 pm

Bhatiaji,
Thanks for sharing your happiness and the song Badal jaaye duniya na badlen ge hum.

977 AK March 20, 2018 at 2:52 pm

KS Bhatiaji @971,
I must acknowledge that Aaj unke paay-e-naaz pe was first posted by Sudhir Kapur on Atul Song A Day with an excellent write-up.

https://atulsongaday.me/2016/06/12/aaj-unke-paay-e-naaz-pe-sajdaa-karenge-hum/

978 gaddeswarup April 1, 2018 at 6:57 am

An old article which I did not really understand but it may be of interest to others http://daily.redbullmusicacademy.com/2013/03/ten-electronic-extroverts-from-the-middle-east-and-south-asia-01

979 AK April 1, 2018 at 8:34 pm

Gaddeswarupji,
For me too, the article was a little too technical.

980 Gaddeswarup April 15, 2018 at 4:25 pm

I think that Ashok Vaishnav is inquiring about this song of Jagjit Kaur. In case my comment is missed in the blog here it is https://soundcloud.com/user665354699/mere-chanda-main-teri-chandni-khoj-1953-jagjeet-kaur

981 Ashok Kumar Tyagi April 16, 2018 at 11:37 pm

AK ji
SoY is going to complete 8 years of it’s memorable journey soon. As Venkataraman ji indicated four years back, initially we had 3 posts every two months. The frequency gradually increased. In 2016 we had a number of posts covering the music of SJ. In 2017 Jaidev, Husnlal Bhagat Ram and OP Nayyar were well covered.
Could you please take up the music of Roshan, Madan M., Ravi etc ?
Thanks

982 AK April 17, 2018 at 9:56 am

Tyagiji,
You are a mind-reader. After Anil Biswas-Khemchand Prakash-Naushad-CR-Husnlal-Bhagatram-SJ-OP Nayyar, the next names that come to mind are Roshan, Madan Mohan and Ravi. अभी मंज़िलें और भी हैं.

983 Ashok Kumar Tyagi April 17, 2018 at 5:53 pm

Thanks AK ji
Sometimes I felt that leaving aside Naushad, SDB and SJ; Roshan and Madan Mohan always got with them top-most lyricists. Could you please (or guest writers) take up Roshan/Majrooh/Sahir combo or Madan Mohan/Rajendra Krishan/Raj Mehndi Ali Khan combo – Roshan/Lata/Rafi grouping seems to have been previously taken up.

984 AK April 17, 2018 at 6:13 pm

Tyagiji,
I have covered Roshan’s best songs for Rafi and Lata Mangeshkar because I rated this combo among the best five for that singer with any MD. I have also written on other ‘Madan Mohan’. But they are very diverse and a lot more is still to be covered. However, I have not thought of their combo with a lyricist.

985 mumbaikar8 April 21, 2018 at 3:14 pm

AK,
“The sidebar for ‘Recent comments’ has a certain space. If the comments are coming too fast the older comments go in the background. That is a good sign of increased engagement with SoY.”
Looking for solution:
Can we have ten comments instead of seven and not more than half of it should be consumed by the most popular blog so that comments of the older blogs can stick around for some time.
The biggest casualty of this sliding pattern is “Open House”
I hope I am not burdening you with a ton of work.:(

986 mumbaikar8 April 21, 2018 at 3:29 pm

AK, Venkataramanji,
Recently I heard a song on Radio Ceylon what surprised me was that the song was not an Indian song sung by Manna Dey ( I presumed that he had sung it differently) but a Pakistani song sung by Saleem Raza would you agree or it is my दिमागी खलल
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGg9TBKtlLI
Husn ko Chand Jawani ko Kanwal – Payel ki Jhankar 1966 – Saleem Raza

987 N Venkataraman April 21, 2018 at 4:09 pm

Mumbaikarji,
A good find. Hearing for the first time.
You are right. Off hand his voice sounds like that of Manna Dey.

988 AK April 21, 2018 at 9:52 pm

Mumbaikar8,
The best solution is at the readers’end. Wnenever they post a comment they should remember to check the box ‘Send the follo-up comments by email’. I think many readers do get the comments in the mail box too.

989 ksbhatia April 21, 2018 at 11:40 pm

Ms. Mumbaikar 8 , Venkatraman ji ;
Husn ko chand jawani ko Kanwal……this line I have heard in one of the dream songs starring Dilip Kumar . It is either from Aan or Leader. Will come back If it is true.

To me ….well not mannadey but like Mohinder Kapoor singing in a low octave and in some stanza Mk trembling like Talat ….but surely no indian singer in totality ; only comparable to .

990 Gaddeswarup May 2, 2018 at 7:59 am

I have not found the second part yet. https://youtu.be/bgja2-kPIP4

991 N Venkataraman May 2, 2018 at 11:49 am

Anandaswarupji,
That was fantastic. Thank you for sharing the link. Here is the second part.
https://de-film.com/v-mr-srinivasan-n-chari-reminiscing-about-talat-mahmood-part-2-of-2-tVrR44twp-0.html

992 ksbhatia May 2, 2018 at 2:46 pm

From #989 ….I am still looking for Dilip kumar song . Meanwhile here is one with Dev Anand song ……with same mukhda….Husn ko chand Jawani ko Kanwal …. .

Mil gayi mil gayi re mujh ko mohabbat…Rafi…Pyar Mohabbat….SJ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSbXYsEg61Q

993 Gaddeswarup May 3, 2018 at 2:18 pm

Venkataramanji, Another. A discussion about version songs, Salil Chowdary and others https://youtu.be/M7BMLiHZs7c and https://youtu.be/FLMpJaHIi6E

994 N Venkataraman May 3, 2018 at 2:49 pm

Anandaswarupji,
Thanks for the link. I would like to watch both the parts.

995 Canasya May 3, 2018 at 11:17 pm

Shankar singing ‘Hothon pe sachai rehati hai’. Shankar himself is on harmonium, Dattaram is on tabla, and Dattaram and Mahendra Kapoor are providing the chorus!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWC2gLhqRzQ

This rare 1959 recording was done in Mumbai by Gopal Sharma of Radio Ceylon. And here he is telling all about it (14:35-31:50):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtA9dJLc3Bo

Apologies if posted earlier.

996 N Venkataraman May 7, 2018 at 7:23 pm

Canasyaji,
This is the first time I am listening to Shankar rendering this song and hearing about it. Thanks for sharing the links and the details.

997 Canasya May 7, 2018 at 10:44 pm

Thank you Venkatraman ji. YouTube has another video in which you can see Shankar singing. But it is not an HFS:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5V_8cp4DzQ

998 ksbhatia May 22, 2018 at 1:00 am

Canasya ji;

During B & W door darshan days Shanker was interviewed live by as many as three regular singers of All India Radio and some of them sang SJ’s songs with the mini orchestra of AIR . Shanker on that occasion played a russian tune which he stayed was used in Awara . ….and the scene was when a servant took Raj Kapoor to be a Piano repair mechanic and after a pause played just few notes of russian song.

Watch the scene @ 8.40 onwards…..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ5wCC2zjTY&index=7&list=PL0dAv7eAspFhT3ErHHkpk7kLVDRmEkf3I

999 N Venkataraman May 22, 2018 at 9:56 pm

Bhatiaji,
Thanks for sharing the anecdote and the link.

1000 Canasya May 22, 2018 at 10:07 pm

Bhatiaji,

You have been blessed with tremendous memory for music as well as movies. And the domain of your expertise extends far beyond Bollywood. I truly envy you! Thanks.

1001 ksbhatia May 24, 2018 at 12:49 am

AK ji and all other worthy members of this great blog ;

Congratulations for achieving a Big Milestone of achieving 1000 comments and observations in this Open House nukkad of Songs Of Yore . May its glow shine for ever and members remain as active as before.
I take this opertunity to offer toast of thanks to AK ji with a yoddely duet song by non other than Geeta Dutt and Surendra . Yes ! Surendra yoddeling !

Mein tere dil ki duniya mein…..Geeta Dutt, Surendra…Naya Paisa [1958]….Raja Mehndi Ali Khan…..S.Mohinder

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QIgsXDGu3M

Hip Hip Hurray !

1002 AK May 24, 2018 at 8:37 am

KS Bhatiaji,
Thanks a lot for your very generous words. If the blog has reached here, to a great extent it is the readers’ contribution.

1003 mumbaikar8 May 24, 2018 at 8:00 pm

AK, Bhatiaji,
Congratulation!
Enjoy the similarities and differences of this one
Misl e khayal aaye – film Aaina 1944
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=42&v=84rrBoYv7BQ
and the one we know
Unke Khayal Aaye To
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcvssR8B70M

1004 ksbhatia May 26, 2018 at 4:19 pm

Mumbaikar 8 ;

Just heard the beautiful song you posted on 24th May and what a gift for me on my birth day [ 25 th May] which I entirely devoted for fun with my family in the company of my mother in law [ who is 90+] trickling down to my youngest grand child who is 3+ .

Such pair of songs are rare and when listened together makes an extra impact on their deep meaning . How important is khayal !! A state of super existence of mind . One song …..reincarnation of the other !!

1005 AK May 26, 2018 at 11:32 pm

Mumbaikar8,
I endorse everything said by KS Bhatiaji. What a beautiful song is this Misl-e-khayal aye to aakar chale gaye. Thanks for posting it.

1006 Gaddeswarup May 27, 2018 at 4:39 am

mumbaikar8 at 1003. Thanks. There seem to several other nice songs from that film which I missed completely. Listening to them now.

1007 N Venkataraman May 27, 2018 at 6:00 pm

@1003
Thanks Mumbaikarji for the beautiful song Misl-e-khayal aye to aakar chale gaye

1008 ksbhatia May 28, 2018 at 11:59 pm

Canasya @1000;

Shankar Jaikishan and foreign connection ….Well of the two Jaikishan had more of an inclination of adopting western style in his songs and background music as well . Waltz was their fav. as passionate as their Bhairvi classic was. In Barsaat SJ made an immortal song ……chhod gaye balam …..tune of which was based on Romanian classic ….Waves of Danube / Waltz of Danube or Anniversary song as it is known as well. This waltz tune originally have the roots of the classic of 1880 and the first song based on this tune was cut in 1885. Many legendary followed this tune including Charlie Chaplin ! Raj Kapoor made it as his signature interludes in many films from Barsaat to Dharam Karam .

Coming back to background music ; beside russian bit of music in Awara , Jaikishan used one of the famous…… Hungarian Dance No 5……as background score in Awara , the scene where Raj picked a car from the Patrol Station and police chasing him till he abandon the car in front of Prithviraj bungalow . Hear this music one after the other…..

1. Awara……watch from 5.25 to 6.40

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ5wCC2zjTY&t=400s

2. Hungarian dance No 5…..by Richard Clayderman [ World class piano player….my fav.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2e1wLDhr7hs

3. Charlie chaplin ….Hungarian Dance No 5…..Great Dictator

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vos4eXSM9qA

There quite a few more of background music of SJ’s movies which have enhanced the beauty of the visuals by many multiples.

1009 Canasya May 29, 2018 at 10:31 pm

Bhatia ji:

Years ago, in the US, I had attended a performance of ‘Porgy and Bess’, an opera composed by George Gershwin, and had then looked up some information about him. I was struck by what I thought were similarities between the careers of Gershwin and Jaikishan. In my view, Jaikishan was to HFM what Gershwin was to Hollywood (and Broadway). Gershwin had brought glamour to the erstwhile staid Hollywood (and Broadway) music scene (I am not talking about singing stars here, but about composers). His music was hit, he was popular, and moved with stars even as some critics complained that he was compromising purity by mixing styles of music. And Gershwin had died young, of a brain tumour. Likewise, Jaikishan had brought glamour to HFM. He was probably among the most photographed of our composers. His style of music too, with all that international influence, attracted a lot of criticism at that time. But his music was popular, and he left us early!

1010 Ashok Kumar Tyagi June 6, 2018 at 10:39 pm

AK ji,
As SoY is on the verge of completing eight years’ superb run, please accept heartiest compliments.
About 280 posts – that makes approximately three posts per month. Truly remarkable. Sustaining everyone’s interest this long needs creativity, fresh ideas and hard work.
Best of luck for future endeavours.

1011 AK June 6, 2018 at 11:00 pm

Tyagiji,
I accept your advance greetings with grateful thanks. The 8th anniversary is tomorrow.

1012 Dinesh K Jain June 11, 2018 at 4:46 pm

Just as I have made accidental discovery of this forum on SoY, I recently made discovery of Asha’s NFS Geet Kitne Ga Chuki Hoon. I found it one of her best, and definitely better than most of her filmi songs. Will somebody care to say more about this remarkable song?

1013 N Venkataraman June 11, 2018 at 9:17 pm

Dineshji,
@1012
You are absolutely right about the song and thanks for mentioning this song here again. Listening to the song after a long time.

Akji had posted this song in his article “My favourite ‘special’ Asha Bhosle songs” on 8 September 2011. I started visiting SoY exactly a year later. But I too came across this song for the first time while visiting the earlier posts of SoY. Now you will not find the link to this song in this post. A fresh link should be provided soon. I am posting the link and the lyrics posted by Akji here for the convenience of the readers

गीत कितने गा चुकी हूं इस सुखी जग के लिये
आज रोने दो मुझे पल एक अपने भी लिये
गीत कितने ……
रो रही थी बीन सुर सुनकर सुखी संसार का
नाचती थीं उंगलियां और कांपता हर तार था
आज टूटा तार मेरी बीन का आघात से
आज कुम्हलाया कुसुम मेरा अधिक बरसात से
आज धोने दो नयन के अश्रु खोने दो
नयन के अश्रु खोने दो मुझे
कल सुनाऊंगी मधुर कुछ आज रोने दो मुझे
आज रोने दो मुझे पल एक अपने भी लिये
गीत कितने गा चुकी हूं …

The lyric to the song was penned by Bharat Vyas and music was composed by Pt.Nikhil Ghosh. Pt.Nikhil Ghosh was Pannallal Ghosh’s brother and Anil Biswas’s brother in law. Padma Bhushan Pandit Nikhil Ghosh was a reputed Tabla player. Here is the link to the song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-1m1XAWdOg

AKji wrote a nice introduction to the song,

“There was a world of non-film songs co-existing with films in the Golden Era. They had two broad strands – one based on Sanskritised words was popularly described as geet and the other with more Urdu/Persian roots, ghazal. The two together were described by the generic term private song. Most playback singers straddled both the worlds, the private song gave them more room to explore; in many cases they also wrote and composed the songs. Geets were more literary than an ordinary film song. You have this beautiful geet by Asha Bhosle with incredibly beautiful words. Asha Bhosle can be a master of expressing pathos – you feel she was giving vent to her own deepest sadness when she sings I have sung many songs for this happy world/ Let me today cry for a moment for my own sake. And she ends – Tomorrow I will sing something sweet for you/ But today let me cry for a moment for my own sake.”

Later I heard this song again at “Atul Song a day”. Sudhir Kapoorji wrote a post marking the completion of six thousand songs on ASAD on 23rd May 2012. And this was also the 1000th song of Asha Bhosle to be posted on that blog. Sudhirji wrote in ASAD, I quote,

“Now the song that I select for this write up. A song that sounds like an anti-thesis to the very character and the life story of the personality. And the one better is – this is a non film song. A sound that would evoke nostalgic memories of the late 50s, this song is one of her celebrated non film offerings. The lyrics by BHARAT VYAS go right down into the soul and touch a gloomy string that strum and descend into despair and fatigue. The music composition is by NIKHIL GHOSH – a soft, low key sound that actually enhances the emotions expressed by the words.

Listen to the rendering of the first few lines, listen in peace and silence – and you will feel the tiredness in the voice of the singer. The rendering is truly remarkable, for the voice sounds weary, and the emotion of despair and gloom will overcome the listening. Coming from an artist whose hallmark are the lush and intense sounds “Ye Hai Reshmi Zulfon Ka Andheraa. . .” (‘Mere Sanam’, 1965), it almost feels as if this cannot be Asha Bhosle singing it. But she is.

A marvelous song and a soulful rendering, listening to this song makes one feel, yes, this could well be the signature tune of this accomplished diva, juxtaposing her many thousand recordings against her personal struggles, and private tribulations. Oh Asha ji, yes, kitne hi sunder geet sun liye hain aap se. “

I need not say more. In the comments Arunji added

“The song selected on this eve is also excellent and my favourite. Very few people know that the wordings depicted the true situation in Asha ji’s life at that time.”

1014 N Venkataraman June 11, 2018 at 10:05 pm

In continuation……….
Raju Bharatan in his book “Asha Bhosle- A Musical Biography’ mentions, I quote,

“Geet kitne gaa chuki hoon iss sukhi jug ke liye/aaj rone do mujhe pal ek apne bhi liye – that 1952 (January) GE 23046 ‘private’ song , composed by Nikhil Ghosh from the inspirational son-lyric by Bharat Vyas, a number ‘rendered’ immortal by then angushing Asha Bhosle.”

Most probably, on the other side of the 78 rpm record, was the song Ambuwaa Ki Daari Boley Kaari Koeliyaa by the same combo Asha Bhosle-Pt.Nikhil Ghosh-Bharat Vyas. It appears that originally Pt.Nikhil Ghosh wanted both these songs to be sung by Geeta Dutt.

Arvinderji had posted this song in the article “Multiple Versions Songs (24): Songs having versions across different films – similar initial lyrics in mukhada” on 10th February 2016. The article was written by Ashok Vaishnavji on 31st January 2016.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRiEUhwmyH8&feature=youtu.be

1015 AK June 11, 2018 at 10:31 pm

Dinesh,
Now you must be a happy man with all the information provided by our great record-keeper Venkataramanji.

Venkataramanji,
To say that I am impressed by you would be a gross understatement. Inspired by you I have replaced all the missing links in my post My favourite ‘special’ songs of Asha Bhosle – there were 12 missing links in the post. Now you can visit it in all its glory.

1016 N Venkataraman June 11, 2018 at 11:45 pm

Akji,
@1015
Thanks a lot. I would definitely visit the post. Your efforts wont go waste. But why only me? Like Dineshji, I am sure, many more would like to visit the older posts.
Sometimes I question myself ‘Am I going Overboard?’

1017 mumbaikar8 June 12, 2018 at 8:47 am

Venkataramanji @1016
Leave that question for me:-) (AK will agree) and you continue doing the remarkable job you do.
Thanks

1018 Dinesh K Jain June 12, 2018 at 12:10 pm

I do not have words to express adequately how impressed I am with Venkataraman ji and thankful to him for his thoroughly complete and exhaustive response to my query. He has answered all asked as well as anticipated questions on the topic. Most thankful to him.

1019 N Venkataraman June 12, 2018 at 2:46 pm

Dineshji, Mumbaikarji & Akji
Thanks a lot.

1020 Canasya June 14, 2018 at 11:23 pm

Venkataraman ji @ 1013:

You represent the ‘insitutional memory’ for SoY. Thanks to you and AK ji, the older posts have got a new lease of life. I have begun to slowly visit them and enjoy. Thanks.

1021 ksbhatia June 15, 2018 at 1:12 am

Canasya ji @ 1009 ;

Your comments made me search for George Gershwin ‘s musical movies made in late 40s and early 50’s and listen to his beautiful songs and musical numbers .

As commented early at quite a number of places I had rated Hollywood Musicals …..An American in Paris…. and …Singing in the Rain ….as my fav. movies for its production values , Sets, Choreography , Camera Work , Acting …..and so on . Such movies comes once in a life time and watching on big screen is a wonderful experience . George Gershwin was earlier known for his master piece …..Rhapsody in Blue . A great number which I listen to its varients by James Last , Richard Clyderman and Andre Reiu . A great pleasure to listen when the night approaches . But his musical numbers from …An American in Paris …..are just out of this world . And Gene Kelly ‘s energetic dances are a great treat and lesson to modern generations who quickly are loosing the heritage of the past .

You mentioned and sort of draw parallel lines for Jaikishan as a follower of George Gershwin…..to which I fully endorse your views .

Here are two of Gershwin ‘s masterpieces for readers to enjoy …

Dancing Scene no 2…..An American in Paris

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63gajBOBZnE

Dancing scene no 5…….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpF7a0NFWNY

1022 Canasya June 15, 2018 at 7:42 pm

Bhatia ji @ 1021:

Thanks for the two pieces. Both are exquisite. The fluid motion and the flow of music make them intoxicating. Wonderful!

1023 N Venkataraman June 16, 2018 at 3:36 pm

Today is Hemanta Kumar birth anniversary. I am posting this NFS as a tribute to Hemanta Mukherjee on his 98th birth anniversary.

Zulfon mein Apni, lyrics Faiyaz Hashmi, music Dhirenndra Chandra Mitra
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJX_5JQiy2o

1024 Dinesh K Jain June 16, 2018 at 4:00 pm

1945, K L Sahgal’s immense popularity influenced even Hemant Kumar to sing like him! Like most other singers, HK too sang much better post KLS and his influence.

1025 Dinesh K Jain June 16, 2018 at 4:22 pm

I have generally been intrigued and troubled by the fact that in two-versions songs even a virtuoso like Lata mostly lagged behind the male singers. AK has mentioned this often enough. I am therefore glad to cite a couple of such songs where Lata is distinctly better than her counterparts. From Joru Ka Bhai – Tera (Subah ka) intezar kaun kare; and from Nayi umar ki nayi Fasal – Aaj ki raat badi shokh. I am sure there are others too; maybe a wizard like KSBhatiaji would take it upon himself to identify some more of them and far more readily.

But this also brings me to throwing up the question, why so? Comments would be most welcome.

1026 mumbaikar8 June 16, 2018 at 4:25 pm

Venkataramanji,
Recently I heard this beautifully sung Hemant Kumar song from Pahle Shadi was thinking of sharing it here.
You gave me the opportunity to do that.
Thanks.
HEMANT KUMAR-Film-PEHLI SHADI-1953-Abad Ko Barbad Karna Seekhe Koi Zamane Se
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wc0ey0oYDUM

1027 AK June 16, 2018 at 10:37 pm

Dinesh @1025,
If you mean why some female songs do better than their male counterparts, it is just the exception proving the rules. As for the male version being almost invariably far more popular than the female version, we have discussed several theories on my post on Twin songs. How the song has been picturised, which version was focussed more, how they were commercially produced and circulated and so on. One interesting research mentioned by Gaddeswarupji said that it had to do with the evolution of species in which the male singing had an erotic role to attract the female for mating.

Besides that,the rare songs in which some listeners find the female version better is also a matter of personal choice. In both the examples you have mentioned, in my view, the male solo is far far superior to the other version. Aaj ki raat badi shokh badi natkhat hai probably does not have a female solo version; it has a Rafi solo, and a Rafi-Asha Bhosle duet. Some female solos that have achieved greater fame because of the way they were placed in the story are Aji rooth kar ab kahan jaaiyega; Marna teri gali mein jeena teri gali mein. Both these Lata solos have a ‘sort’ of Rafi version in the film – never heard otherwise. Naturally, the female solos linger.

1028 R Vasudevan June 17, 2018 at 2:07 pm

A quiz on songs of Golden age of Hindi cinema.

1.Which music director was the first MD to receive the National Award for best music. Name the MD and the film.

2 The last song composed by Anil Biswas was for which film. Name the singer and the song also.

3. According to a music historian which song is the most difficult classical composition any playback singer has ever rendered in Hindi films.
Name the singer, the music director and the film.

4 This music director composed all 14 songs of a film in raag Pilu.
Name the MD, and the film

5 Which music director refused to accept Padma Shri award as he felt it came too late in his career. Who was the MD

6. Lata Mangeskar & Talat Mohammad hit duet song ” seene mein sulagte hain armaan” was from which film. Name the MD also.

7 The last song composed by SD Burman was for which film and before it was recorded SDB passed away. Name the film

8. Which was Lata Mangeskar’s first hit song. Name the song and the film.

9 Who played sehanai instrument in the film Goonj uti sehanai especially for the song “tere sur mere geeth”

10 “Awaaz deh kahan hai, duniya mere jawan hai” This fine duet
from the film Anmol Gadi was sung by Noorjahan and who was the male singer.

1029 mumbaikar8 June 17, 2018 at 3:16 pm

AK, @1027
The songs Aaj ki raar badi shokh and Subah ka intezar are twin songs but Aji ruth kar and Marna teri gali are not.
They, as you have mentioned, are “sort” of version songs cause they were not released as songs on records.
They came into existence only after movies were chopped on YouTube .Another example of such “cropped “version song is this duet.
O Door Ke Musafir – Uran Kathola – Rafi & Lata
https://youtu.be/pxAl5yQ2RDY

1030 N Venkataraman June 17, 2018 at 4:44 pm

Vasudevanji,
I can answer 6 questions without much effort.
2. Frankly speaking I can’t recollect the film’s name. It was Anil Biswas’s last film, the song was rendered by Mukesh. The final words were Alvida Alvida.
4. O P Nayyar
6. Tarana 1951, Anil Biswas
7. Mili
9. Ustad Bismillah Khan
10. Surendra

1031 mumbaikar8 June 17, 2018 at 4:50 pm

Venkataramanji,
#2 Alvida alvida is from Chhoti Chhoti Baatein

1032 N Venkataraman June 17, 2018 at 10:53 pm

Thank you Mumbairkarji.

1033 AK June 17, 2018 at 11:33 pm

Mumbaikar8,
You are right. Some songs were repeated in different variations through the film. These were never treated as stand-alone songs. Some examples I can think of: Yaad rakhana chaand taaro is suhani raat ko, Dharti ko aakash pukaare etc. Thanks for mentioning O door ke musafir.

1034 Dinesh K Jain June 18, 2018 at 8:56 am

AK, #1027 – many thanks for taking the trouble for all the info and your comments.

(Btw, when I tried to send this message yesterday , it just would not go for some technical reasons, despite repeated tries! I hope it does now)

1035 R Vasudevan June 19, 2018 at 11:01 am

Luke worm response was received for my quiz so far. Hence I give the answers question no. wise.

1, Kalyanji Anandji – film Saraswathi chandra.
2. Film – Choti Choti Baatein singer Geeta Dutt
song : “kuch aur zamana kahtha hai”
3 Film Seema song ” Man mohana bade jhoote”
based on raag jaijaivanthi Music Director Shankar Jaikishan
4 OP Nayar – film Phagun raag Pilu
5 Hemanth Kumar
6 Film Tarana MD Anil Biswas year 1951
7 Film Mili
8 “aayega aayega aane wala aayega” from the film Mahal
year 1949 Music director Khemchand Prakash
9 Bismilla Khan
10 Surendranath.

Mr Venkatraman answered 5 correctly.

1036 Dinesh K Jain June 19, 2018 at 1:04 pm

AK, I maybe wrong, but on looking around I find that no piece has ever been done on SoY on MD Sajjad Hussain. For me he has been a relativelt late discovery. But I find his music unique, scintillating, and melodious. Now, I know only his more popular songs, and like all MDs he too would have made music not of the same high standard. I would welcome if more information could be provided on him, maybe as a full-length article either by you or by one of our several knowledgeable connoisseurs. Any chance?

1037 AK June 19, 2018 at 2:10 pm

Mr Vasudevan,
It would be difficult to engage readers with quizzes, because these workk in a live setting. Besides, some questions could not have a definite factual answer. For example #3 and #8 are a matter of opinion. Before Ayega aanewala, Lata Mangeshkar had already sung all-time great songs in 1948 – Yaad rakhana chaand taaro is suhani raat ko and Chandra re ja re ja re.

1038 AK June 19, 2018 at 2:12 pm

Dinesh,
You are right, there has been no exclusive post on Sajjad Hussain. But it is a coincidence that you mentioned him when there is one already under planning.

1039 mumbaikar8 June 19, 2018 at 3:04 pm

Mr Vasudevan,
Answer # 2 needs a correction the song Kuchh aur zamana kahta hai
is sung by Meena Kapoor and not Geeta Dutt I wonder how AK did not correct it, for AK this is one the only two songs Meena kapoor will be remembered.

1040 N Venkataraman June 19, 2018 at 3:32 pm

Vasudevanji,
I was under the impression that the answert o your second question was Mukesh’s songs “Alvida, Alvida”. I know that Ganesh Anantharaman in his book ‘Bollywood Melodies: A History of the Hindi Film Song’, mentions “kuch aur zamana kahtha hai” as the last song composed by Anil Biswas. But, I am not sure. There is no way to find out, since both the songs were from Anil Biswas’s last film Choti Choti Baatein (1965). So I would not debate further on this matter. Moreover the song “kuch aur zamana kahtha hai” was rendered by Meena Kapoor and not by Geeta Dutt.

I checked with the Internet and came to know that the first recipient of the National Award for Music Direction was K. V. Mahadevan for his composition in the Tamil film Kandan Karunai(1967). This award was introduced in this year (the 15th edition of the National Film Awards). Kalyanji Anandji got the award in the next year for the film Saraswati Chandra (1968).

Please correct me if I am wrong.
Thank you

1041 Gaddeswarup June 19, 2018 at 4:03 pm

mumbaikar8 at #1039, which is the other? Even I remember more than two by her. There seem to quite a few sweet songs by her which may not be that well known.

1042 mumbaikar8 June 19, 2018 at 4:15 pm

Gaddeswarupji,
The other song is from Aanken. I agree with you she has many memorable songs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbhiLlLID34

1043 Gaddeswarup June 19, 2018 at 4:55 pm

mumbaikar8@ 1942, I guessed wrong. I thought that it would be https://youtu.be/K4CZNFbtXyU

1044 AK June 19, 2018 at 5:01 pm

Mumbaikar8,
I noticed the error in #2, but my mind was focussed on larger issue with such quizzes on this blog. But I must compliment the efforts of Mr Vasudevan.

Mr Vasudevan,
I must appreciate your efforts. I never meant to dishearten you, I was only responding to your point about poor response. Besides, I wanted to highlight difficulties with some type of questions. I would be very unhappy if my comment discourages you from posting such quizzes.

1045 R Vasudevan June 19, 2018 at 8:11 pm

Thanks for those responded to my posting giving the answers. Two clarifications I would like to place on record.

1. None of the questions invented by me and most of them were taken
from the book mentioned by Mr Venkatraman and only thing I did was information I put it across in the form of questions. Few questions were
taken from some other music blog.
2. KV Mahadevan did get national award before KA no doubt but this blog basically about hindi film songs and it goes without saying that it is all about Hindi music and so also were questions on it.

I dare not to bring out another quiz. As SOY completed 8 years and in keeping in tune with this event the quiz was prepared.

RV.

1046 Dinesh K Jain July 3, 2018 at 6:56 pm

Ak, this is to make a suggestion or request, prompted by a jarring thought that has bothered me for long years. It is about Majrooh Sultanpuri.

I notice that SoY has carried only two blogs on lyricists in all its years, on Sahir and on Pradeep, both incomparable for therir own reasons. Sahir himself would have been very upset with you for disregarding lyricists this way. All know how high-brow he was as a lyricist, and it was this arrogance of his that rendered it difficult for him to continue working with top MDs for long, such as SDB after Pyaasa, Jaidev after Mujhe Jeene Do, and OPN after Naya Daur.

But he was absolutely the top-notch. At the other end of the spectrum was Majrooh, who worked with all MDs without any apparent issues, lasted so long in the industry, even won the Phalke Award, and so on.

I do not necessarily question his merit as a Shair, but what I found quite jarring about his songs (I deliberately do not call them lyrics or poetry) was , in my opinion their poor quality as art. Oftentimes, he indulged more in Tukbandi, rather than in poetry; or in craft rather than art. In short, I never much enjoyed what he had to purvey. Yet he lasted so long and successfully, again in my opinion, because all said and done, most times, wordings have not been so important as the musical composition, the orchestration, the singing, and the picturisation. The reason why MDs always commanded and received much fatter price than poor lyricists.

Now, why I am hoping for a response to this either here in the Open House, or, preferably, a full-length blog, on Majrooh, is to know whether these are only my opinions or they are shared more widely even though not often articulated. Do many of us regard him a top lyricist or a poor one as I do? For me he has been a curiosity. Is it only my opinion?

1047 AK July 3, 2018 at 9:39 pm

Dinesh,
I agree entirely with you. The absence of adequate attention on lyricists on this blog has long been a sore point with many readers. The fault is entirely mine. I have explained my reasons a number of times, which are purely practical. My primary criteria for mapping my favourite songs have been music directors and singers. The main markers of a film song have been the film, the music director and the singer. The lyricists came last, and somehow it was difficult to remember their names with respect to a particular song. The other ‘Categories’ such as ‘Year-wise reviews’ or ‘Songs based on themes’ are all overlapping criteria in which I try to avoid repetition. Adding lyricists would only add to overlap, because not many good songs of, say, Majrooh Sultanpuri or Shailendra or Rajendra Krishna would be left which are not already covered. But I agree I need not make a fetish of this. Let me concede that Majrooh and at least ten other lyricists need to be covered exclusively. I would be very happy if a reader attempts to write a nice guest article on lyricists.

1048 Gaddeswarup July 4, 2018 at 2:13 pm

A Sheila Ramani dance in Ananda Math. I could not find the Hindi version but here is the Tamil version https://youtu.be/DM6TZXD1WTI

1049 S Joseph July 18, 2018 at 11:37 am

AKji ,

If not covered yet could we consider subject titles….

(1) songs marvelling beloved’s beauty- in male voice
(2)songs marvelling beloved’s beauty- in female voice.

Many movies have such songs. The lyrics in many such songs are great and some have become very popular.

1050 AK July 18, 2018 at 2:26 pm

S Joseph,
These themes are not covered. Somehow I am not greatly excited because most such songs would be mapped in music director-singer combination. For example, a representative song in the first category is Chaudahvin ka chaand ho. Putting it in Ravi-Rafi occurs more naturally to me. Another outstanding song, and in fact my greater favourite, Ab kya misaal dun main tumhare shabab ki, I have already covered in Roshan-Rafi.

But nothing is ruled out on SoY.

1051 S Joseph July 18, 2018 at 4:40 pm

AKji,
Thanks !
When you say — ‘ nothing is ruled out on SOY ‘ I am very hopeful that someone would surely write an article on this theme on SOY.
My view is that the perspective of the discussions and analysis on SOY is vastly influenced by the subject title. Same song may be taken up for discussion under different subject titles but the approach to the song will be in a different context and would bring out great and different ideas.
Also, SOY has many articles on different themes in the past and not merely restricted to MD-Singer based discussions.
In fact I was wanting to propose that the members of the SOY family be invited to suggest subject titles which could be kept in a subject bank so that any learned member could be invited to write on any of the topics kept in such a bank.

The very large number of songs under this theme that I have suggested itself makes it all the more necessary to invite an article on this theme.

1052 R Vasudevan July 24, 2018 at 12:23 pm

I agree with Mr S Joseph. There can be a topic bank created and listed – those those suggested by SOY members and article written on them by stalwarts of this blog. I have two topics to suggest.

1.articles on song writers – this is long overdue
2. Lyricists – Music Director which team were more successful
Sailendra, Hasrat with SJ
Sahir Ludhinvi with SDB
Sahir Ludhinvi with Ravi
Anand Bakshi with LP
SH Bihari with OPN
Kaifi Azmi with MM

It is difficult to assess which team were more successful but for general interest this can be thought of.

1053 Gaddeswarup July 24, 2018 at 2:37 pm

I am not sure about the singers nor some of the details below., nor the year 1946 “Luckily for Uma, her friend from Delhi came to her village. She was educated and had connections in the Bombay film industry. She wrote to her director friend in the tinsel-town to help Uma. In 1946, all of 13, Uma boarded the train to Bombay without informing her chacha. In Bombay she struck up an instant friendship with actor-director Arun Ahuja and his singer-wife Nirmala Devi (Govinda’s parents). They introduced her to various music directors.

One of them was Allah Rakha who agreed to give her one song in the film Wamaq Azao, the others being sung by Mallika Pukhraj. Thus, Uma Devi sang Hai do dil milte milte reh gaye… and got paid Rs 200, a princely sum those days.” Says a post in Cinestan. The song may be https://youtu.be/unm7_ko3dVs

1054 Gaddeswarup July 24, 2018 at 4:40 pm

It seems Allah Rakha was also a trained singer. It is possible that he may be the singer in the above as well as another song in the film. I wonder whether there are two female singers in the above. The other duet https://youtu.be/GWieYllpecU

1055 AK July 24, 2018 at 10:31 pm

Gaddeswarupji,
The main singer in the first song ‘Haye do dil milte milte rah gaye’ could be anyone from CH Atma to Khan Mastana to SD Batish to GM Durrani. There has to be some basis for speculation about Allah Rakha.

Who is the author of the content in the quotes about Uma Devi? We are familiar with her voice. One can’t say with certainty that she is the singer in the above song. If true, this would predate Afsana likh rahi hun which is recognised by various sources as her first song.

1056 Gaddeswarup July 25, 2018 at 1:04 am

AKJi, it is in the third of the write ups here though some of the information does not seem quite correct, for example, her age in 1946. https://bolywoodfiles.blogspot.com/search/label/uma%20devi

1057 Arunkumar Deshmukh July 27, 2018 at 8:00 am

Friends,

I am very happy to inform you that my first book was published in USA,yesterday, titled as ” Forgotten artists of Early Cinema and The Same Name Confusion ”
The book is based on my articles posted on various sites and Blogs-duly adapted and abridged to suit the book.
This is the result of my work in this field for last so many years.
Book contains profiles of 32 Early Cinema artists and 50 Same Name Artists. I hope this problem will be solved atleast for 50 artists.
Some new articles are also added.
The book is available on Amazon and pothi.com
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1058 AK July 27, 2018 at 10:07 am

Arunji,
Heartiest congratulations. This was long overdue. You still have many more books in you. I am off to ordering the book.

1059 Arunkumar Deshmukh July 27, 2018 at 10:38 am

Thanks AK ji.
I would suggest to you and all others, since Amazon India is yet to get this book here from US, please go for ONLY http://www.pothi.com. Amazon currently charges in dollars and including delivery etc, the price is astronomical.
About future books, who knows ?

1060 Arunkumar Deshmukh July 27, 2018 at 11:08 am

The latest information is….

http://pothi.com/pothi selling at Rs 569 including shipping charges.

amazon.com selling it at Rs 862 including courier charges.

1061 Gaddeswarup July 27, 2018 at 11:13 am
1062 Arunkumar Deshmukh July 27, 2018 at 11:19 am

I think this is Kindle edition.

1063 Gaddeswarup July 27, 2018 at 11:26 am

Arunji at 1062, Paperback is also available but I could not wait and got the kindle version. I am pleased to see that AK is mentioned in the introduction.

1064 Gaddeswarup July 27, 2018 at 11:55 am

Arunji at 1062, The paperback in Australia costs 23 A. Dollars which is over 1150 Indian rupees. The kindle edition costs 7 A. Dollars which is about 350 rupees. In this case, the kindle worked out quite a bit cheaper than the paperback, which is not usually the case. Anyway, the advantage is I could get it immediately and carry many books, now over 200, in my iPad.

1065 AK July 27, 2018 at 5:52 pm

Do you have any contact/helpline number and email of pothi.com? I faced some problems in placing order. They should have announced their contact number and email in any case.

1066 Arunkumar Deshmukh July 27, 2018 at 7:46 pm

AK ji,

Today I got several phone calls about this problem, but later on I was informed that now there is no problem. Kindly try again.
I do not have their numbers, but I will try to get them.

1067 Arunkumar Deshmukh July 27, 2018 at 7:50 pm

You can complain/write here…

https://pothi.com/pothi/contact

1068 mumbaikar8 July 27, 2018 at 8:47 pm

Arunjikumarji,
Congratulations!
In US is is available at $ 5 Kindle and $ 10 paperback.
Surprisingly on Amazon it is cheaper than in India @1060

1069 Arunkumar Deshmukh July 27, 2018 at 9:12 pm

mumbaikar8 #1068

please read #1060

1070 R Vasudevan July 27, 2018 at 10:53 pm

Is it available in Europe where I am presently in as a tourist.

1071 ksbhatia July 28, 2018 at 1:04 am

Arun Kumar Deshmukh ji ;

My heartiest congratulation to you on inriching the music lovers of the knowledge of the bygone era thru your publication . I too will order for it as soon as I land back in india .

1072 Gaddeswarup July 28, 2018 at 3:47 pm

I browsed through the book “Forgotten artists of Early Cinema….”. Most of the work is due to Shri Arunkumar Deshmukh and much of it appeared in various blogs, His comments in various blogs are not there and I hope they will be part of another book. Even though I read most of these pieces before, it is good to have them in one place for revision and for further checking. Such a checking resolved one confusion for me about the singer Trilok Kapoor. I assume that he is the singer of this version so g, despite the picture https://youtu.be/hxabk9-W0Ck

1073 Arunkumar Deshmukh July 28, 2018 at 5:47 pm

Gaddeswarup ji,
The entire book is based on only my writings.
The purpose of this book was to make available information on these less known artists , at one place. Not everyone has read them when they were posted.
But according to me the second part of the book, ” The same name confusion” is more important as there was no such work done ever in the past and it should work as a guide and reference point to future students of Hindi film History. In addition to what was posted earlier on http://www.anmolfankaar.com, in this series, I have written two more new parts with an addition of another 20 artists.
Thanks for giving your views on the book after browsing.
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1074 Arunkumar Deshmukh July 28, 2018 at 5:52 pm

Gaddeswarup ji,
Yes, this version song is by the singer Trilok kapoor.
This song is mentioned in the ‘Version songs ‘section of the HFGK also.
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1075 S Joseph August 1, 2018 at 8:05 pm

AKD ji,
Congratulations on publication of your new book. Your dedication and efforts must be appreciated. This go long way in enlightening students of this field. I would be happy to attend whenever you conduct any public reading of the book.

1076 Dinesh K Jain August 3, 2018 at 10:00 am

I am intrigued about the song Neend Ud Jaye Teri from Juari (1968). A lovely song, picturised on Naaz, Tanuja and Nanda (three Ns!) pining for Shashi Kapoor. It is claimed to be sung by the trio of Mubarak Begum, Suman Kalyanpur, and Krishna Bose (Kalle?), but having heard it carefully, I could make out only MB’s voice for all three damsels – even though it stands to reason that three different singers would have lent their voices for three different characters. Would appreciate to know the factual reality about the song.

1077 mumbaikar8 August 3, 2018 at 9:32 pm

Mr. Dinesh,
I cannot say it is factual reality, but I saw the video and my take is that MB starts for Naaz then Krishna takes over for Tanuja and finally Suman Kalyanpur is singing for Nanda.

1078 AK August 3, 2018 at 9:41 pm

Dinesh, Mumbaikar8,
There are three singers for sure. The doubt arises because there seems to be a good deal of similarity in the voices of Mubarak Begum and Krishna Bose (Kalle?).

1079 mumbaikar8 August 3, 2018 at 10:09 pm

AK,
Agreed similar voices but distinct pronunciations.

1080 Dinesh K Jain August 4, 2018 at 11:49 am

Thanks, AK and Mumbaikar8 for your clarifications.

As I said, I tried to hear the song rather closely, and I heard only one voice. But then I do not quite have an ear for voices and sounds, so maybe that is that.

It is still rather surprising that of the three girls, Tanuja got least mileage. Surely she was a bigger name than Naaz, but her footage is the shortest, and she got Krishna (Bose or Kalle?) to sing for her, the least recognised of the three singers. Any comment on that too?

1081 Dinesh K Jain August 27, 2018 at 7:37 pm

There is a song, or two, which are like vesion songs, both great; they have the same starting wordings, same tune – of course there is some difference of orchestration, both are sung by Lata – one as a solo and the other as a duet with Talat, and both are from the same year 1951, BUT from two different films. with different MDs – both big names, Roshan and CR. “Dil-e-Beqarar So Ja” is from Raag rang and from Ghunghrroo. How could they do this? There was no controversy then? Who plagiarised whom?

1082 AK August 27, 2018 at 9:23 pm

Dinesh,
The two songs sound very different to me. The one from Ghughroo is a typical CR-Lata Mangeshkar composition which he produced those days in large numbers. The Talat Mahmood-Lata Mangeshkar duet from Raag Rang has more of Talat Mahmood flavour, besides sounding very different (to me). Incidentally, both the films are from 1952.

Lata Mangeshkar sings Dil-e-beqaraar so ja from Ghunghroo (1952), music C Ramchandra

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yw81r1D4qkY

Talat Mahmood and Lata Mangeshkar sing Mat chhed zindagi ke khamosh taar so ja, Dil-e-beqaraar so ja from Raag Rang (1952), music Roshan

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J8YcWFhagsQ

1083 Mehfil Mein Meri September 2, 2018 at 9:42 pm

About Neend Ud Jaye,
I heard it closely for the first time today, with earphones on. Then I got to know, there really are three singers. I was also attributing it to Mubaraq Begum alone.
I think mumbaikar8 has nailed it perfectly.
Naaz- MB, Tanuja -Krishna, Nanda – Suman Kalyanpur.
Thanks.
🙂

1084 ksbhatia September 5, 2018 at 12:11 am

SSW, Ak ‘ji[s];

Taking pause and breaks from the songs , I am partially reverting to some of the musical instruments that acted as catalyst in my life bringing fore their charming sound….be it sad, happy , fast or slow. I some time get lost in their beauty wondering how and why music directors or arranger choose that particular instrument that exactly fit in like glove to the melody. I love listening to piano music while I am studying or trying to sleep or even while dusting too . Piano is truly a catalyst to work more as also very relaxing , enjoying your good old past.

In my younger days , around mid 50s, I used to watch gospel prayers being sung in YMCA halls. What impressed me more was that beautiful Piano sound that accompanied the songs and rest of the orchestra . Later on My taste for Piano grew more when I heard the Church Music . All these lead to my love and search for hindi film songs which carried piano as one of the main instrument in making the melody of so many songs .

I think it is worth placing such songs at one place for reference and record . There are many but I am loading a few songs ….that too only from B&W era ….as a starter…..the songs where Piano is used as a prop and where Piano is one of the instrument played in the orchestra .

1. Chhod gaaye baalam…..Mukesh…..Barsat….SJ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxqVJau05As

2.Khwaab ho tum ya koi haqeekat….KK…..Teen Deviyan….SDB

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw4wLVnFJ-E

3. Chalo ek baar phir se…..MK….Gumrah……Ravi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE5q9kst-Zc

4.Milte hi aankhen dil hua…..Talat, Shamshad….Babul….Naushad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPFe7KsEdQg

5. Tera Jaana dil ke armanon…….Lata…..Anari……SJ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URfoTtyxOdU

……will return for more and awaiting contribution from fellow colleagues .

1085 mumbaikar8 September 5, 2018 at 9:17 pm

bhatiaji,
Two SDB songs both with Asha,
Bachpan Ke Din Bhi Kya – Sujata Song
https://youtu.be/GkE-Wu68opc
Koi Aaya Dhadkan Kehti Hai Lajwanti
https://youtu.be/JcoMkXZMjFo
One SJ with Mukesh, one of my favorites of this combo
KOYII BULAAYE AUR KOYII AAYE – MUKESH- SHAILENDRA -SHANKER JAIKISHAN APNE HUE PARAAYE
https://youtu.be/D0I8RIjkoGA

1086 ksbhatia September 5, 2018 at 11:28 pm

Ms.Mumbaikar 8;

I love these songs . Though the Apne huye Paraye song is based on ; or rather copied from one of the melodies of …..Arabian Nights …the flavor and smoothness it carries is awesome . Piano…..Yes ‘ everyone now wants to buy a car having their interiors like piano finish ……little knowing the charm of listening to melodies on Piano …..a stress buster and a relaxing agent .

Before I dig upon my other piano fav. hindi film song , here is a sampler of one of my fav. piano player……world famous Richard Clyderman playing ….Hungarian Dance No.5 . Watch the magic of his intimate hands moving on the key notes. Richard gave background music in Titanic too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2e1wLDhr7hs

Now , more songs for continuity….

6. Jabse balam ghar aaye…..Lata….Awara…..SJ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SV2tpIUz0_4

7. Sab kuchh luta ke hosh……Lata….Ek Saal…..Ravi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M06qGuUH0fo

8. Jhoom Jhoom ke naacho aaj…..Mukesh….Andaz….Naushad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sln3l13aNIU

9. Main khushnasseb hun mujh ko kisi ka pyar….Mukesh …Tower House…..Ravi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enG3YGHnIx4

10. Sunte the naam hum.[ piano as a prop only]…Lata….Aah…..SJ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Osioi6qvjg

…..to be contd.

1087 mumbaikar8 September 6, 2018 at 7:19 am

bhatiaji,
I do not mind the adaptation as long as it is just not a clone, I even enjoy the adapted movies made by Gulzar in the past and Vishal Bhardwaj in present.
It is Salil Choudhury’s death anniversary today, he has some very well adapted songs to his credit too.
Salil Choudhury’s beautiful piano song from Maya with Rafi, they should have had some more songs together, like SDB, Rafi songs with him were very well sung too.
koi sone ke dilwaala koi chaandi ke dilwaala sheeshe ka hai
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyvbgIYqGDg

1088 ksbhatia September 6, 2018 at 2:33 pm

Ms. Mumbaikar 8;

I don’t mind the adaptions as long as intentions are genuine and melody hits the chords and your mind and heart hits pleasantry feelings .

Salil da’s remembrance day and you have really posted a very well crafted song of his. Banki adaiyen dekhna ji dekhna…..is another oe on Piano which I like since my younger days.

With my relaxing mood set in on position …here are some of the old melodies where Piano appears in the visuals and some times not there at all . Some songs have only faint sounds but adds to the melodies .

11. Baanki adayein dekhna ji dekhna….Geeta dutt…Amanat….Sali’da

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R__Ic9GoWY8

12. Chaman mein rehke …..Shamshad….Deedar….Naushad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5tEQfKcO-M

13. Koi kisi ka deewana na bane….Lata….sargam….CR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwABvPSjh2U

14. Na shikwa hai koi [ Piano as a prop]…Lata…Amar….Naushad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cbtxuBP-gk

15. Hum pyar mein jalnewaloan ko….Lata…Jailor…MM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXQY5otyhJ8

……to be contd.

1089 ksbhatia September 6, 2018 at 11:30 pm

Some additional songs ….this time a little happier one also .

16. Sun sun sun o zalima ….Rafi, Geeta….Aar Paar…..OPN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJPeoiG9mk0

17.aye dil mujhe bata de…..Geeta Dutt….Bhai Bhai…MM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKcaNydkNMg

18.Naino se nain hue char….Lata….Aurat….SJ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpJr40FpS5M

19.Ae shama tu bata…..Suraiya….Dastan…..Naushad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xrh9nprsmcs

20.Main dil hun ek armaan bhara….Talat ….Anhonee…..Roshan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcfMW7v_v5o

This song I rate as a beautiful and smoothest combo of Piano superludes and Talat .

…..more to come….

1090 ksbhatia September 7, 2018 at 11:33 pm

In continuation some more piano songs from golden period.

21. Dekhta chala gaya mein zindgi….Rafi, Lata…Gateway of India…MM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI5sjevmpeA&t=135s

22. Hum se na poochho…..Lata…Kali Ghata…..SJ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnxTI8nsb-I

23. Manzil wohi hai pyaar ki…Subir Sen…Kath putli….SJ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGri715PSF4

24.Jadoo bhare naino mein….Shamshad….Babul….Naushad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoZJBeAUIEk

25. Ae jaane jigar …..Mukesh….Aaram….Anil Biswas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lkl9tJper-0

……to be contd.

1091 ksbhatia September 7, 2018 at 11:53 pm

…..in continuation , few more songs.

26. Aap ke haseen rukh …..Rafi….Baharein phir bhi ayeingi….OPN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQblX2TmEZI

27.Poocho na hamein hum unke liye….Asha…Mitti mein sona….OPN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wj9PMW_B4Q8

28. Ajab hai dastan teri zindgi….Rafi….Shararat……SJ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2svsXJxTVVQ

29.Dil ko lakh sambhala ji….Lata….Guest House….Chitragupt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3YDnxUk4dM

30. Dil dhadke nazar sharmaiye….Lata….Albela….CR

……still more to come .

1092 ksbhatia September 8, 2018 at 12:31 am

….in continuation….

30 Dil dhadke nazar sharmaiye…..Lata….Albela….CR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6QMLRvlykU

31.Aye mere dile nadan….Lata…Tower House….Ravi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui0fPCpl7g0

32.Jeet hi lenge baaji …Rafi, Lata….Shola aur Shabnam…Khayyam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06hu0QJ_UO8&t=118s

33. Tum apna ranjo gam…..Jagjit Kaur….Shagoon….Khaayam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8Yr1OOeOT8

34.Hum bulate hi rahe…..Rafi, Asha…Dekh Kabira Roya….MM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A08rgZaOfxk

35.Chheda mere dil ne tarana….Rafi…Asli Naqli…SJ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DS9BlwEG6FU

…….more of golden and some vintage to follow.

1093 ksbhatia September 9, 2018 at 3:20 pm

Still I am in a mood to continue. Yes , If music is the food of love….play on , play on , play on ……

36. Ayi ayi raat suhani …..Lata….Poonam…..SJ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JftOxg9GIgI

37. Man mein kisi ki preet basale….Lata…Aaram…..Anil biswas…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JftOxg9GIgI

38. Taqdeer ka shikwa kaun kare….Lata….Poonam…..SJ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEJOOOwEhLU

39. Kaise koi jiye…..Geeta Dutt….Baad Baan…..HK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEJOOOwEhLU

40. Dheere dheere machhal….Lata….Anupama…..HK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3RiMIAZ1vY

Trying for more….

1094 AK September 9, 2018 at 5:42 pm

KS Bhatiaji,
I am enjoying your piano mood. Your links of #37 (repeat of 36) and 39 (repeat of 38) are wrong. But don’t worry, I heard the songs on YT.

1095 ksbhatia September 9, 2018 at 10:59 pm

AK ji;

Its the mind which set the mood…..and when mind is tuned for soft listening , instrumental western and Talat songs becomes most sort after. Some of the musicals of the late 40s or 50s of both holywood and bollywood movies are my fav. and just coming to my mind are two piano numbers from the famous movie ….Casablanca which i want to share with all of members .

Play it sam….Casablanca

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FXmCqlcrO4

Knock on Wood…..Casablanca

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_f8snT93Bc

Thanks for pointing out the wrong links for songs @37 & 39 , Here are the corrections…..

For song @37…..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyNQg7zaIfQ

For song @39……

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vozWhr_wBbg

…..more to come….

1096 ksbhatia September 9, 2018 at 11:46 pm

I am trying to post at least 50 piano songs of B@W era ; so continuing with my effort …

41. Beqarar dil tu gaaye ja…..Kishore , Sulakshna ….Door Ka Rahi..KK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F7QWdUr38Q

42. Agar sunle ek nagma….Kishore….Ek Raaj….Chitragupt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PIPin4VciY&t=30s

43.Bachpan ke din bhi kya…Asha, Geeta….Sujata…SDB

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewGx9veUfPk

44. Tumhen yaad hoga….Hemant, Lata….Satta Bazar….KA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLl34jZYYSY

45. Tum na jane kis jahan ….Lata…Sazaa…SDB

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSkgzTahEfg

……wait till i complete 50.

1097 ksbhatia September 10, 2018 at 1:29 pm

Here are five more to complete half century of B @ W movie songs featuring piano .

46.Aye pyaase dil bezuban…..Mukesh…Begaunah….SJ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYwgzHleuVU

47.Jab jab bahar aayye….Rafi….Taqdeer….LP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrKOev8F0SM

48.Arman bhare dil ki lagan…Talat, Geeta….Jan Pehchan….Khem chand Prakash

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QO7t6_6QLs

49.Saat samunder paar se…Lata…Taqdeer….LP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSE02xgZn5E

50.Yeh kaun aaya ki mere…Geeta…Baazi…SDB

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh3Q8ZoBSMg

…..to wind up piano songs ; wait for some vintage songs too.

1098 ksbhatia September 10, 2018 at 1:46 pm

It is really a difficult task locating the old gem studded piano songs from vintage era . Will post as and when it strikes the right chords. Here are two to start with…

51. Tum bin kaal na aave…Kanan Devi…Lagan [1941]…R C Boral

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRNjlAA7aIo

52. Pran chahe nain na chahe….Punkaj Malik….private non filmi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbX9geyVe8E

…..to be contd.

1099 AK September 10, 2018 at 2:05 pm

KS Bhatiaji,
You are in scorching form. You are forcing me to write a post on piano songs.

1100 Giri September 14, 2018 at 9:23 pm

Bhatia ji,
Thanks for the shower of piano songs. Enjoyed all of them.
That was only for b/w songs!
If you add colour films also,it will be more than a handful!
AK, please get ready for the post on piano songs.

1101 AK September 14, 2018 at 9:44 pm

Giriji,
Now this is a command for me.

1102 Gaddeswarup September 15, 2018 at 11:36 am

Some piano in this song? https://youtu.be/5Osioi6qvjg From Aah 1953.

1103 Shalan Lal September 15, 2018 at 5:08 pm

Giri 1099, Ak1100 & Gaddeswarup 1101

If you start the Piano songs I want to know are they real piano songs or they are like Dilip Kumar fingering the songs but the sounds are not of the piano key-board?

I have doubt that if any Indian composer actually composed a song on the Piano Keyboard.

The Piano Keyboard needs to practice daily dozen for most of the life to have those notes in the head and heart which are European melodies.

A lot will be needed to think about what is a Piano song in the concept of Hindi film songs or in general the way Indian” Sapta Suran” has been organized.

There are marvelous Chinese and Japanese conductors who have been famous for conducting European music in their own countries for nearly hundred or more years.

And Suzuky in Japan had created monopoly on modern Violin Instrument cheaply available for last seventy years.

Also most of the Keyboard and computerized manipulated Western music instruments come from Japan.

To create Western Musical instruments one needs a very deep understanding of the Western Music.

However the Piano was made popular on the screen by Naushad film “Andaz” but to my disappointment I did not find much Piano music in the Andaz songs.

Perhaps some musicians could play and did play Piano like they played it on the Indian Harmonium popularly known as “Baajaa”.

There is a nice photograph of O.P. Naiyyar sitting by the Piano and tinkling on the Keyboard but was he playing “English Tune Mein Gaana Punjabi-Hindi Gaanaa”?

Just trying to provoke the patriotic Indians like our stand up comedian Mr “Ranganathan” from Shri Lanka!

Silly me! I should have been gainfully employed to do some other useful activity, like multitasking and letting the pots and pans burn and milk go over flow over the kitchen equipment!

Shalan Lal

1104 Gaddeswarup September 15, 2018 at 5:26 pm

Shaman Lal at 1102. There seem to be exceptions: “A duet meant for the Hindi version was composed on the piano by Rajeswara Rao, and Vasan liked it so much he wanted it for the Tamil version too. This song was added after the shoot was over.[2]” from https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apoorva_Sagodharargal_(1949_film)
The Hindi version from Nishan 1949 here https://youtu.be/WG5A4PkxK3Q

1105 AK September 15, 2018 at 9:11 pm

Shalan Lal,
I am confused. If you are saying none of the Hindi film songs known to be piano songs are really piano songs, but some other instruments, you should be able to identify the instrument. Since you are doubting the piano sound in Andaz songs, please enlighten us which instrument actually produced those notes. This has become important because I have been tasked to write an article on piano songs. Fortunately, we have SSW and some others whose knowledge of sounds and notes is of expert level, who can contribute to the debate.

1106 AK September 15, 2018 at 9:23 pm

Gaddeswarupji,
The piano is the central feature in this song. It is used as a resting place by the lady in between her singing. It does not seem the instrument was played.

1107 ksbhatia September 15, 2018 at 10:39 pm

Giri ji @ 1099 ;

Thanks for your appreciation. Piano songs are truly stress busters . Both sad and happy songs brings you at a level platform .

Yes I started with B @ W piano songs….I feel most colour full songs belongs to vintage and golden period . Of course many of Piano songs of the second innings , i.e colour film eras ,are as enjoyable ……and many are fav.of mine ……subject to a condition that real piano is used in its composition and not any electronic instrument .

I am in a pause mood…still lost in piano melodies and surely come later with piano songs of the colour films era.

1108 ksbhatia September 15, 2018 at 10:52 pm

Gaddeswarup’ji @1101;

Thanks for reminding the Nishan song . I am looking of one more song , probably of the movies of the forties where Ranjan again is playing piano.

The Aah song….sunte the nam hum jinka bahar se….i have already mentioned at song no: 10 . …..as it fulfills the condition of Piano appearing as visual. No piano note but Piano accordeon playing at its best .

1109 ksbhatia September 15, 2018 at 11:06 pm

AK ji;

Taking note of Ms. Shalan Lal comments , you need to come up with article with inputs from experts on related field [ now becoming essential ].

I have one point to make here that some time even Director of the movie fail to differntiate between the sound produced by piano or any other close note produced by different instrument while shooting song . …..and non one of the crew members coming forward as a helping hand for corrective measure ! Perhaps Director wants Piano as essential property to enhance Hero / Heroin status.

1110 ksbhatia September 15, 2018 at 11:14 pm

AK ji ;

In continuation , here is a link of the song in support of my views above. The song is superb but got diluted on screen by silly mistake.

Aji rooth kar ab kahan jaiyega….Lata…Arzoo…SJ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJAx_2ZmiuM

1111 Gaddeswarup September 16, 2018 at 9:14 am

I might have missed it in the above links. This seems to be the only song that Hemantha Kumar used from the original film whose music was composed by S.Rajeswararao. From Miss Mary 1957, brindavanka krishna….
https://youtu.be/p9MBrjJYqZI

1112 Shalan Lal September 16, 2018 at 7:04 pm

ksbhatia@ 1106-1109

Extremely intelligent points you have raised and enjoyable too.

AK@1104
As mentioned I wait until SSW comes out with his comment and then try to say something. SSW has perfect idea of the Western Music and the role of the Piano in the Western Music.

Compare to the Indian musical instruments like the one Sarswati carries in her arm or in her lap Piano is very recent in the European music but it helped all great composers and it became very popular during the Victorian time in the West as upright Pianos became affordable for the middleclass and the Grand Pianos became property of the rich householders and theatre companies.

There were once three or four shops near the Metro Cinema in Bombay who sold and repair Pianos.

Piano became a fashion in the Christen houses in Bombay, Poona- Camp area and also in Calcutta and Madras.

Most of the Piano teachers were usually Christian Ladies who played the Piano in the Churches and convent schools.

Why I raised the issue about Piano Music is there is a very big rift between the two styles of music and the huge bodies of works in both styles which have very difficult points to meet.

But some instruments like Violin has been adopted for the classical music on both sides of the big divide. But I think Piano is difficult to adopt in the Indian classical music.

I think you have done one post in which you have said “Piano” as a stage property or a character in the scene.

From this point you may find many Hindi songs that have references to the Piano without Piano music. There may be some piano phrases in the works of C.Ramcahndra, S.D.Burman, O.P.Naiyyar and many. But Naushad except Andaz and Dastan kept himself away from the western music though he was in someway trained in the western music as he was in the company of musicians who played the music to the silent films in Lucknow.

It is a well known fact that Ravindranath Tagore composed many of his songs playing on the Piano. Ravindra Sangeet is a Sangam of both European Music and Indian Music.

So melodies that come from Ravindra Sangeet in the Hindi Films could have Piano tunes or phrases.

Shalan Lal

1113 Giri September 16, 2018 at 7:44 pm

AK,@1100,
It is only a request.

Shalan Lal@1102,Thanks for the explanation. I don’t know anything about piano playing. But the idea is to enjoy the songs as a whole and not the piano piece alone. It is just grouping the songs under a category. After all as they say”peene walon ko peene ka bahana chahiye”, we look for some excuse to classify the songs under different categories.
I always used to wonder how come so many homes (of the affluent people) had piano as a standard fixture and the heros and heroines were experts in that instrument!

1114 ksbhatia September 17, 2018 at 12:53 am

Ms. Shalan Lal @1111;

Thanks for your admiration and encouragements made from time to time . Good music is timeless and carries stamp of perfection….provided it is original and is created with honesty and dedication. Such music is bound to live for ever …….as is in the case of great maestro Naushad . A few of his Piano songs testifies his magic touch.

53. Socha tha kya kya hogaya….Suraiya….Anmol Ghadi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6yjdXCXwcU

54.Dekh liya meine kismat ka….Rafi, Lata…Deedar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=285VsJ4L7nE

55.Yeh mausam aur yeh tanhaiye…..Suraiya…..Dastan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03Fc8pIqyOA

56. Aaj kahan jaa ke…..Shamshad….Anokhi Ada

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8ZUDcnj3is

57. Kyun unhe dil diya haiye yeh kya kiya….Surendra, Shamshad…Anokhi ada

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKWNkL4guR4

…..to be contd.

1115 Shalan Lal September 17, 2018 at 6:11 pm

AK@1112

It is difficult to answer your question/confusion etc.

We have to find out what is a “Piano Sound”. We can perhaps know the sound of Sitar, and Tabala and other Indian instruments. We can also tell the Trumpt sound etc.

But hitting a key on the Piano could be a Piano sound as ringing a bell in the Temple. There the instrument is just another percussion instrument.

The Keyboard of the Piano is the greatest musical invention that has sound of its own if it is played a phrase in the western music or song.

If that phrase or song used and played to synchronise a Hindi song that could still keep its own identity in the song. But just playing or hitting the notes on the keyboard and the song is Indian it will not go together.

In Ravindra Sangeet one can play some of the parts of Piano for example the Chords and they will go well.

This much I can tell for the moment in my thinking and working out exactly what was the role of the Piano in Andaz.

Shalan Lal

1116 Shalan Lal September 17, 2018 at 6:17 pm

AK

It just struck me that the growth of the numbers of the comment has gone over 1100.

It will be nice if this mammoth column could be made into small chunks with some front cover telling the highlights of the chunks it will be easier to go backward for the reference or research purpose.
Is it possible?

Shalan La

1117 AK September 18, 2018 at 12:09 am

Shalan Lal,
What is possible is to limit the maximum number of comments displayed on the page (either in ascending or descending order). That is, if I set the limit to 200 a page, after each 200, the page will change, and after 5 pages covering 1000 comments, the last page, i.e. the current page would show 16 comments, and for browsing earlier comments you have to go back one by one. I tried this for some time but the experience was not very useful. The one you are suggesting is probably not possible. With today’s touch screens, and 8 GB RAM devices, scrolling down pages is not very difficult.

The general search link at the top right corner should be helpful in searching across the blog, and not only that post. I have already added an Index Page of all the posts.

1118 ksbhatia September 18, 2018 at 12:18 am

Ms. Shalan Lal @1114 ;

Music can propel narrative swiftly forward ….Jhoom jhoom ke nacho aaj, or slow it down…..Tod diya dil mera. It often lifts mere dialogue into the realm of poetry……Hum aaj kahin dil kho baithe [ One can read this song as a dialogue ].

Music in art form is recognized universally as mood altering source that is able to effect behavior , activating emotion and memories . The best story telling engage all the senses….the more senses that are simulated , the more people will not only relate to the story but move by it as it proceeds . For achieving this a Director can’t simply focus on visual presentation of facts thru story/screenplay telling but has to create a deeper connection …..and here comes the role of music thru songs and background score.

In the case of Andaz , Director Mehboob Khan rightly chose Piano as main instrument that provided perfect link to story telling ….depicting / symbolising the effect of western culture / club life / modernisation / urbanisation on indian culture . Nargis ultimating failing and uttering……Papa theek kahte theey . So for Andaz …..Music was not only making story interesting but more impactful ……and Piano made a perfect fit in .

1119 ksbhatia September 18, 2018 at 1:04 am

In continuation some more piano gems…..

58. Bholi surat dil ke khote….Lata, CR….Albela…..CR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FW_KRwaRD4

59. Aaj duniya badi suhani hai { perfect piano key notes }….Asha…..Nartaki…..Ravi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3-o6ySsClw

60 . Now a piano song perfected by visual treatment and superb expressions . A real Directors cut …..

Aa jaao tadapte hain arman…..Lata…..Awara…..SJ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJA4oz4Of2s

…..to be contd.

1120 Gaddeswarup September 24, 2018 at 5:45 pm

Fifty minutes of very nice ‘panchi ‘ songs. I hope that somebody will provide the list. https://youtu.be/_Xes_lgm6Is

1121 ksbhatia September 25, 2018 at 1:02 am

Gaddeswarup ji.;

Nice collection of Panchi songs . I am listening to one by one. There is panchi theme of songs in SoY too . It will be worth visiting and listening to songs contributed there also.

1122 ksbhatia September 25, 2018 at 1:21 am

Friends ;

I am trying to switch over to Piano songs of colour era ; but what to do the B & W songs are still pouring in…..probably due to rains still in shower mood.

61. Dil matwala lakh sambhala…..Talat….Bewafa…..A R Qureshi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH97Roull5Q

62. Aansoo samajh ke kyun mujhe….Talat….Chhaya…Salil Da

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkP1V-HjTyo

63.Thaam mujhe mein gir….Subir Sen…..Raaj ki Baat….Robin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rm6viz2ORU

64. Aakhiyon ka noor hai tu….Suman, Mukesh…J M in Goa….KA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSnKe3JkyKo&t=137s

65. Dil matwala lakh sambhala….Lata…[ female version]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEj9fsWdW-U

to be contd….

1123 ksbhatia October 7, 2018 at 2:17 pm

Jignesh Katodia’ji;

Remembering old times thru revisit to coffee house adda [open house] songs . Suman Kalyanpur did some exceptional singing in certain songs that one wish to hear again and again .

Koi bulaiye dhirese tujhe……Mangu [1954]…Mohd.Shaffi….Suman Kalyanpur first song probably .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbLRr4UmWJc

Tu kahan mein kahan….Vazir E Azam [1961]….Robin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGDQHUMmvw0

1124 shalan Lal October 9, 2018 at 5:00 pm

ksbhatia @ 1117
Your thinking about the place of the song in a visual talking art is very important. However not all producers and directors stick to those principles.

Many have used songs as diversion or pure entertainment in the films, many not connected to the story, characters or mood etc.

May be a good idea to make a list of the songs that are totally out of place or used as because the songs were nice and would attract audience just for the songs.

This may be a unique look at the songs.

With reference to your Piano collections above how many have Piano as a stage property and how many are without Piano but the songs have Piano keys sounds?

As far as the songs in the B and W films you have to start with the films of the Bombay Talkies.

The colour films may start with RK’s Sangam.

Shalan Lal

1125 ksbhatia October 10, 2018 at 12:22 am

Ms. Shalan Lal ;

I agree to your statement…..

May be a good idea to make a list of the songs that are totally out of place or used as because the songs were nice and would attract audience just for the songs……..

Such situations are the result of weak narration or weak screenplay ….an escape for onslaught of certain class of film goers . Intelligent directors , however, used comedy as a pause in between highly charged emotional dramas . For such films , likes of Sasural …etc… Mehmood , Shobha Khote , Dhumal , Agha , Om Prakash ,…….were very handy in films starring Meena Kumari, Rajendra Kumar , Sunil Dutt, Mala Sinha …..and so on …. . Audience always craved for comedy scenes when melodrama crossed its limit …..as a need to wipe off their tears .

In old classic movies if one listen to sequel songs and without watching that movie he is bound to get an idea of the story line . Andaz is a classic example . Even in a single song like …..Har dil jo pyar karega… one gets an idea of story line of Sangam . In Awara too every other song gave a push factor on progression / narration of story ……Ek bewafa se pyar kiya [ bholi surat wala niqla looteraa ] ….is again an excellent example .

So its a passion that measures dedication of a successful producer / director . Of course its again a team work of other pillars which are required to be faithful to screenplay under the overall captain of the ship…the director .

Its a good idea to look for piano songs where not even a single key is used . Just listen to Johar and Mehmood in Goa song @64 . Its a great fun for us to see heroin playing piano and getting sounds of tabla and flute . As soon as she leaves the bench piano start playing faintly for only few seconds. Such movies somehow make mockery of not only audience but whole of orchestra players .

I have started looking for links of Piano songs of colour era . In a day or two I will start posting the links limiting to five songs as the computer gets slow down if I post more . I will try to do MD vise ….so that one gets an idea who composed .

1126 Canasya October 10, 2018 at 6:21 pm

Bhatia ji:

You have touched a sore nerve there. There are several songs that I used to like a lot. But I curse the YouTube which showed me their picturisation, and I ended up hating those songs. Here is one (Lata in ‘Devar’; MD: Roshan):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtmngWEFU9k

May be, AKji would one day devote a post to just such songs.

1127 ksbhatia October 10, 2018 at 11:16 pm

Canasya ji ;

You have very rightly picked up the thread to unroll bundle of such songs . The song from Devar is an extreme example of Director’s imagination …..making fool of many dedicated listener and audience too . Here again crew members not coming forward for any alternative suggestions and all the Asstt. Directors either sleeping or taken day off to enjoy hill station . What to say of cast too….at least they and MD should have protested.

1128 AK October 11, 2018 at 1:09 pm

Canasya,
I think most of us savoured our music of the Golden Era/ Vintage Era through radio. I had hardly seen the movies in which they figured. Therefore, I didn’t have much occasion to think about discordance between the song and the picturisation. But with the readers’ comments I would now look at it more carefully.

PS. Nice pick of Duniya mein aisa kahan sabka naseeb hai as the prime example. It was a lovely song until we saw its picturesation.

1129 Canasya October 14, 2018 at 1:36 am

AKji:

Earlier this week, on Oct 8, Radio Ceylon played some rare numbers, courtesy Mr Kushal Gopalka and Ms Shubhlaxmi, including a 1910 recording by Zohrabai Agrawali (Ustaad of Faiyaaz Khan), another by Begum Akhtar sung for Roti (1942; MD: Anil Biswas) but not used, a version song by Mukesh and Kamlesh Kumari (according to one commentator, the voice is that of Ms J.B. Bhisaniya) … .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOEr26L4DVk

1130 AK October 14, 2018 at 1:43 pm

Canasya,
Thanks a lot for sharing this. It is wonderful.

1131 Dinesh K Jain October 15, 2018 at 11:13 am

Two songs, both big hits and much acclaimed, then and even now. KalaPani’s Ham Bekhudi Mein Tumko Pukare Chale Gaye, by Majrooh, and Kajal’s Chhoo Lene Do Najuk Hothon Ko, by the incomarable Sahir. In all these years that I have been listening to Hindi film music, which would be well over half a century, despite my repeated and best efforts I have been unable to understand the lyrics of these songs. In the first one, the whole song, but in particular the line “Tum to na kaho ham khud hi se khele”, and in the second, whether it is about the hero wanting to kiss the heroin or he is urging her to imbibe liquor.

I would appreciate for enlightenment on these from any experts (no conjectures please), so that I can then appreciate and enjoy these songs even more.

1132 AK October 15, 2018 at 1:25 pm

Dinesh,
Chhoo lene do nazuk hothon ko seems more straightforward. It is definitely not urging her to imbibe liquor. From where do you get this? The poet wants to touch her lips as they are as intoxicating as liquor. There is no need to read it up as wanting to kiss her, though that may be the hidden intent.

The first one I would leave for the experts.

1133 Dinesh K Jain October 15, 2018 at 1:56 pm

Thanks, my dear AK, for your prompt response.

You ask me from where I got this doubt. From the song’s wordings itself. Please check out.

“Kuchh aur nahih hain jaam hain ye”. A lover’s tender lips for her suitor are not just a peg, but much more. And who else would know it better than Sahir, a bachelor philanderer.

Likewise, it makes little sense to me, even with the poetic licence, to say that her “Najuk honth” are “betaab dhadakte seenon ka armaan bhara paigam hain ye”. How can lips be described as a message or a mere message?

I do not find the philosophical line “Achchhon ko bura sabit karna duniya ke purani aadat hai yeh” fitting in well here in a romantic song, for, one, there is nothing wrong in what a newly married couple do on their first night, and, secondly, this line is more apt in conjunction with the imbibing of liquor.

And finally and most clinchingly, he says quite unambivalently that “Is may ko mubarak cheez samajh mana ki bahut badnam hain ye”. Here he is categorically and directly speaking of liquor and not of lips. If it was allegoric, to say that lips are ‘bahut badnam’ makes little sense.

I do not intend to get into a semantic debate with you, and if your opinion about the song’s lyrics remains unchanged, I would have no problem, but my doubts would still remain unallayed.

As for the other song, I am waiting and hoping for another expert to comment.

1134 AK October 15, 2018 at 4:08 pm

Dinesh,
I have no problems in agreeing with you, as I also mentioned in my last comment, that we can read it to mean as ‘kissing’. After all, the only way you can touch the peg is with your lips. My difference with you was on ‘urging her to imbibe liquor’. I was not getting that from anywhere. Intoxication from a peg is such a height of pleasure that the poet gives the ultimate compliment to the lady’s lips by comparing them to a peg of wine.

I would use a different expression for Sahir than what you have used. He was a superb poet of unrequited love borne from his own experience.

1135 Shalan Lal October 15, 2018 at 4:46 pm

Dinesh Jain @ 1130 to AK 1933

Very interesting discussion. There is a difference between a poet and a lyric writer,

A poet can express as Sahir has done eslwhere “Ashko meni Jo Paya Hai Who Geetomenin ( Alfaj meain) Diya Hai”

But when the same poet has been paid to write lyrics he has to consider the character, situation and actors etc. Here he is paid todo so. As poet he might not have been paid.

So seeing too much in the lyric is not a very good idea.

But of course your question may be valid and some other time you may be enlightened with the meaning.

I should keep trying it and one day the darkness may disappear.

Shalan

1136 Giri October 15, 2018 at 9:47 pm

Dinesh ji,
I agree with your observation that Rajkumar character is urging Meena kumari character to join him in imbibing liqueur. That goes with the character as he is more interested in drinking than in women. The lines in subsequent stanzas follow the same way.

1137 ksbhatia October 16, 2018 at 1:01 am

There is so much to watch in a human face . It is most interesting to watch the landscape of human face as it stores many channels thru which we all communicate feelings ….social, emotional, enjoyment , curiosity , sadness etc. And Eyes and Lips tells it all. But who sees the face most correctly ….a photographer , painter , mirror , poet or a drunkard person ? ….Aina dekh soorat macchal jayega , Dekha hai teri aankhon mein pyar hi pyar , Tere chehre se nazar nahin hatti nazare hum kya dekhen ,…..all such songs confirms how important is good human face for a good cinema . Some thing is missing in your life when you don’t see a good human face for long .

With or without Liquor poet is at liberty to describe beauty for camera to capture for us to enjoy . They have to be supplement to each other . Many good songs are made down flat by shabby direction or camerworks . Producer caring for already written poetry or poet asked to write on situation is of utmost importance . Jane kya tune kahi…..I think is best example where Director and Cinematographer excelled in capturing extreme contrast of appearence of Human faces of Guru Dutt and Waheeda Rehman . The lyrical qualities overall riding the peak value. There is no other face to interrupt the narration …..is another plus point to a great beauty captured on the celluloide .

1138 mumbaikar8 October 16, 2018 at 8:22 am

Dinesh, AK,
My interpretation of Kajal song.
The mukhda ( is in praise of and) for her resistance to both him and “जाम”
The first antara is expressing hero’s emotions.
बेताब धड़क ते सीनों का अरमान भरा पैग़ाम “ है ये,” he is not referring to lips here his reference is शरमां के यूँ ही खोदे ना रंगीन जवानी की घड़ियाँ.
In the philosophical antara the hero is metaphorically comparing himself to “जाम”.

1139 Dinesh K Jain October 16, 2018 at 9:00 am

Thanks AK, Shalan, Giri, ksbhatia, mumbaikar8 for your welcome and thoughtful comments. With the benefit of your opinions, I again just now saw the video clipping of the Kajal song – after some 50 years, and the video now made it amply clear that the song is actually about Rajkumar persuading Meena Kumari to share his drink of wine, which she being a traditional Indian Nari finds impossible to countenance. There is love too, which she resists only beyond a point, but it is the drink that she finds repugnant, and that is what the hero would like her to share with him. Thank you all again.

I am still awaiting experts’ comments on the Kala Pani song, more celebrated but more mysterious to me.

1140 ksbhatia October 21, 2018 at 12:58 am

With winter setting in and knocking doors of pleasant infusion …..and ….with ceiling fans no longer making sounds …..its a great feeling to be let alone in silence listening to minutest beats and rhythm of classic music of the great masters of golden era. Music and silence combine beautifully when I listen to Naushad sahib treasure of mid 60s of movies which were not so hit but Naushad’s music gave a great gift to serious listeners ….who alligned differently from those craving for modern music .

Naushad’s music still vibrates in my memory touching every low and high nodes , frequency and wave length too. His music and my pleasure on same sound track ! Where words fade out music appears and let the melody continue for ever .

With my Tea Cup full of silence ….now getting filled up by beautiful Tea pot ….nay…a designer floral tea pot beautifully decorated with the teapot jewellery of the 50s and 60s , running over spout ,lid and handle …..and full of warmth of Naushad’s classic melodies ……a dream being relived once again….kal ke sapne aaj bhi aana…

Kal ke sapne aaj bhi aana….Lata….Aadmi [1968]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBUCT1Ddeog

Phir teri kahani yaad aayi…..Lata…..Dil Diya Dard Liya [1966]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LdOXFxvMw8

Payalliya banwari baje……Lata…..Saaz aur Awaz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOtrGK1JlA0&t=131s

Chal diye deke gam yeh na socha ke hum….Lata…Son of India

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8ZhEwT6Rt8

Is’nt it beautiful tea pot ? The aroma still lingering …..will come back for more with refills ….

1141 AK October 21, 2018 at 2:47 am

KS Bhatiaji,
I like the poet in you. I have the same relationship with Naushad, but my songs would be of 50s or earlier: Ho chandan ka palna; Marna teri gali mein jeena teri gali mein; Tere sadke balam; Jaanewale se mulaqat na hone payi; Aaj mere man mein sakhi and so on.

But I want to bring you back to Dinesh’s yet unanswered query on Hum bekhudi mein tumko pukaare chale gaye. The poet KS Bhatia is best suited to respond to him.

1142 ksbhatia October 22, 2018 at 12:58 am

AK ji ;

Thanks for your complement ….but I am not at all a poet. It is only I am carried away by the beautiful remembrance of my winter time I have spend with my parents . My mother was very passionate about british time art and even in early 50s best of imported cutlery and other items were available in one of the most famous store of con.place ….Janki das @ co . My interest grew as I watched her passion for knitting and making other items like Tea Cozy , needle work etc. The other source of information about art was british books and magazines from the library of Ministry of Education . My fav. was….Illustrated Weekly of London . I still remember the various photographs of Queen Elizabeth coronation that appeared in the magazine .

My father didn’t tell me how to live , he lived ,and let me watch him do it. A very dedicated Officer and was fav. of Education Minister . He had a very good handwriting…..Parker ink pen with golden nib….was his fav. One of his handwritten page of the early 30s [ probably 1932 ] I have got it framed…..and the page in fact is a copy of question paper of English Literature of the IAS/IFS & Allied Services….. in which he appeared in 1933. In those days he was the only one among all in his village as most qualified with Masters in Mathematics and English Literature as well . On sundays Prof.from University of Delhi used to visit us for discussions on Wordsworth , Shakespeare , Dickens , Stevenson ….etc. During Mid 50s he used to set Maths paper of Engineering students of Delhi University. So whatever I am today I owe to my parents . Music was there in our family and it will remain for ever .

AK ji , I am as passionate as you are about Naushad . My mind set began only when I heard his compositions of the mid 40s and 50s . Leaving any of Naushad’s movies was impossible for me and my family. Some of the 78 rpm records are still with us as a memory of those times. Those songs and music are in my fav. kettle tucked warm in kashmiri Tea Cozy . The other day I was enjoying the Naushad’s music of the 60s …….. so posted those songs . I some time gets thrilled when I hear a tune of one of his songs appearing as background music in an another film . One such tune is …..chandan ka palna….appearing in a scene in Mother India !

Continuing pour from kettle….

Sawan aaye ya na aaye…..Asha, Rafi…..Dil Diya Dard Liya

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjaWdymhIYc

Saaz ho tum awaz hun mein…..Rafi…..Saaz Aur Awazz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cjhzXGYBj8

Jadoogar katil hazir hai mera dil…..Asha…..Kohinoor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjEoJxmqOyw

…..will come back with title and background score …..

1143 AK October 22, 2018 at 4:39 am

KS Bhatiaji,
I enjoy your free flowing ramblings. But I wanted you to respond to Dinesh on ‘Hum bekhudi mein’.

1144 R Vasudevan November 5, 2018 at 7:02 pm

HAPPY DIWALI TO ALL MEMBERS OF SONG OF YORE BLOG

1145 AK November 5, 2018 at 8:03 pm

Thanks a lot for your greetings and wishing you the same.

1146 ksbhatia November 14, 2018 at 11:37 pm

AK ji ;

Listening to Sardari Begam [1996] classic movie song brought memories of old song from the same mukhda of V.Shantaram’s movie….Subah ka taara [1954] .

Chali pee ke nagar…..Aarti….Vanraj Bhatia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqiaRtf232o

Chali banke dulhan….Lata…C.Ramchandra

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kg4d1SJt264

1147 AK November 15, 2018 at 10:51 am

KS Bhatiaji,
Wah! Chali pee ke nagar in Sardari Begum evokes pathos, and on the same mukhada you have a complete contrast by Shamshad Begum in Mirza Ghalib (1954).

Chali pee ke nagar, ab kaahe ka dar, more baanke balam kotwal by Shamshad Begum from Mirza Ghalib (1954), lyrics
Shakeel Badayuni, music Ghulam Mohammad

1148 ksbhatia November 16, 2018 at 1:48 am

AK ji ;

Yes, this makes a trio of songs , each to its own ; and as you stated ….carrying on with pathos to other phases of life .

The Mirza Ghalib songs throws hints of combo of interludes of Aan and Amar songs ……but…..there is one of SDB’s song which carries the flavour of Gulam Mohd.

O Pardesiya O pardesiya…..Shamshad…..Bahar…..SDB

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFNPMbsINA0

1149 D P Rangan November 19, 2018 at 9:57 pm

How do you convert key words/phrases in the comments section into italics/bold as you can do in words document. Elucidation would be highly appreciated.

1150 Dinesh K Jain November 23, 2018 at 12:34 pm

Hemant Kumar and Kishor Kumar had an interesting and possibly unique relationship in that they both sang songs conposed by the other. Were there any other similar equations?

1151 AK November 23, 2018 at 2:13 pm

Dinesh,
– Both Bengalis
– Both were voices for Dev Anand under another Bengali, SD Burman.

Is there anything else you have in mind?

1152 Dinesh K Jain November 23, 2018 at 8:44 pm

Oh, AK, you missed my point completely. I was wondering if there were any other such pairs of MD-cum-singer, with each having sung under the other’s baton?

1153 Canasya November 23, 2018 at 9:37 pm

Dinesh ji, AKji:

Khali peeli kaahe ko bom maarta hai (KK in Tamasha, 1952; MD: Manna Dey)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee2bwsYiOkM

Ek din aur gaya (Manna Dey in ‘Door ka rahi’, MD: KK)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWEiC1wFrtA&list=PLYVHoWtiFTYOYetq_eZGO36EkTj3WfbfD&index=5

1154 AK November 23, 2018 at 10:24 pm

Canasya,
Great. Some music director-singers had one role more prominent, some others were renowned equally in both. C Ramchandra, Anil Biswas, Ravi, Chitragupta, SN Tripathi, Pankaj Mullick, KC Dey are some more names who might have entered into friendly, reciprocal arrangements with others in the list.

1155 Dinesh K Jain November 24, 2018 at 1:34 pm

Thanks, Canasya and AK for your comments and information.

1156 mumbaikar8 November 28, 2018 at 5:57 am

Ksbhatiaji,
I heard this on Radio Ceylon on Eid E Milad. I think you will appreciate this one .
The Naat is tuned to “Hue hum jinke liye barbaad” and sung by Rafi.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGiie8Ted7E

Lata’s bhajan bhola bhola ratte ratte, though not exact lift, the mukhda sounds very much like nagri nagri dware dware from Mother India, again both songs sung by Lata.
I don’t which one was inspired by whom.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyL5_frPIiY

1157 ksbhatia November 28, 2018 at 11:50 pm

Ms. Mumbaikar 8 ;

Both the songs brought musical nostalgia of emotions . Nothing spurs an emotional reaction like music . But memories are meaningless without emotions. Whenever I listen to Mother India songs its music stick to me as earworm and stay there till its saturation point . The music that I listened as a teenager means a lot to me . It is a sad affair now….the old music is on Rollout and new music in Roaring mode !

Here is a Naushad ‘s magic music that depicts the transition period …….from teenager to adulthood…..as also……. from happy to sad situation . ….My fav.

bachpan ke din bhula na dena……Deedar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXk7LCoizik

1158 Canasya November 30, 2018 at 3:12 pm

AKji:

Manohar Mahajan at Radio Ceylon once again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFz07QzFtqE

And do not forget to listen to this rare Sudha Malhotra-CH Atma duet from ‘Baadshah Salamat’ (MD: Bulo C Rani) perhaps played for the first time at Radio Ceylon (12:00-15:30):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgQG0GNYsKc

1159 AK November 30, 2018 at 8:00 pm

Canasya,
I can’t thank you enough for this. For those of us who were part of the Radio Ceylon ecosystem, such links gives us goosebumps. But can’t help mentioning Manohar Mahajan’s voice has become distinctly thick.

1160 Canasya December 2, 2018 at 11:00 pm

AKji:

The link below is for lovers of version songs. Manohar Mahajan had also presented a special programme on these from Radio Ceylon on Nov 29 (Hemant singing a Rafi song from Aan, Sandhya Mukherjee (or is it Sandhya Rani?) singing a Suraiya song from Dastaan, Roma Devi singing a Lata number from Ek Nazar … :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5M4cei_lTw

1161 AK December 2, 2018 at 11:18 pm

Canasya,
Thanks again.

1162 ksbhatia December 9, 2018 at 11:35 pm

Yesterday was Dharmendra’s 83 rd birthday. An actor par excellence in every role….king of action to tragedy king also. …..and romantic and comedy too!!

Some of my fav. songs from his films…..

Main kahin kavi na banjayun….Rafi…..Pyar hi Pyar…..SJ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4J4FWMML58

Are o shokh kaliyon …..MK…..Jab Yaad Kisi ki Aati hai…..MM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbo2sZXt73A

Ab ke baras bhejo bhaiya ko babul…Asha….Bandini….SDB

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKo4WFKDHYE

1163 arvind December 10, 2018 at 9:08 pm

k s Bhatia @1161
adding to ur list.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1ze3BqgOhQ
(jaane kya dhoondti rehti hain ye aakhen mujh mein
rafi/shola aur shabnam/kaifi azmi/Khayyam/1961).

1164 ksbhatia December 12, 2018 at 12:45 am

Many good wishes to Dilip Sahib on his 96th Birthday. Yes he made and mould our lives to watch best of his films that were fully loaded with best of every thing …..and songs and music the utmost . His trio of B&W films….Mela, Udan Khatola and Babul I rate them among his very best . May he live long to carry on with best of health and happiness.

The songs I love to watch again and again…..

Nadi Kinare paas hamare……Talat, Shamshad,Rafi…..Babul

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pcmc3CNSrww

Jadoo bhare naino mein…..Shamshad…..Babul

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6mdzE9v7yE

Nain mile nain huye baware…..Talat, Lata…..Tarana

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSxhEFgOTXc

1165 AK December 13, 2018 at 8:38 pm

Dear readers,
Please avoid posting any song link of Sa Re Ga Ma or any company which may be the copyright owner of the song. Even though we have no intention of infringing anyone’s copyright, let us all be extra cautious. Some companies seem to be ultra sensitive on such issues.

1166 ksbhatia December 24, 2018 at 11:05 pm

AK ji and friends ;

Mohd. Rafi sahib have sung many songs….. for many different stars ……in many different styles and voice modulations …..to suit and match the voices of stars. But for Rafi sahib own voice i revert back to many of his own non filmi songs …..they are the treasures to relish as and when mood calls for.

Today being his Birthday, here is one non filmi song which I rate one of his best song for beautiful lyrics and very appropriate composition.

Kah ke bhi na aaye mulaqat ko……

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISmNlL-XnpU

1167 AK December 25, 2018 at 11:03 am

KS Bhatiaji,
Great song. Thanks a lot for sharing it. My tributes to the great singer.

1168 Dinesh K Jain January 8, 2019 at 3:10 pm

Can anyone from among several experts on the website tell me why in Chori Chori, a typical Raj Kapoor film, Mukesh was singularly excluded even as Manna Dey sang three popular songs for RK, and even Rafi got to sing 2 songs? I hope it was a good reason like Mukesh being unavailable, and not because of any scandalous one.

1169 AK January 8, 2019 at 3:55 pm

Dinesh,
It was surely not some scandalous reason. Mukesh strayed into film acting and production, and he later realised that was not his cup of tea.

1170 Dinesh K Jain January 8, 2019 at 4:08 pm

Thanks, AK, but does that imply that Mukesh got so preoccupied with acting and production that he had no time, or effectively refused, to sing for Raj Kapoor for a premier film of his! This does sound scandalous to me, in particular retrospectively 6 decades later.

Btw, I never heard of any movies with Mukesh as the hero. Did he specialise in making only immensely forgettable films? Likewise for any of his productions. Nor did he learn a lesson from Talat Mehmood’s similar experience?

1171 ksbhatia January 8, 2019 at 10:13 pm

I remember to have read somewhere that during the recording and making of Chori chori Shankar was on holiday abroad and Jaikishan was wholly in charge of composing and recording songs. After the success of Manna Deys songs in Shree 420 he continued to be prefered for continuing the tempo of hits …..mostly written by Hasrat Jaipuri . On return of Shankar he recorded two songs written by Shailendra and picturised on Johny Walker and Bhagwan……all line clear….and…sawa lakh ki loutery respectively .

Ironically if Jaikishan dominated his music in Chori Chori with Manna Dey’s songs , Shankar had bigger hand in Anari with Mukesh. These two films had unparallel compositions…..not to forget Lata ‘s excellent solo and duets.!!

1172 ksbhatia January 8, 2019 at 10:20 pm

I agree with Dinesh ji @ 1169 . Though Talat was seen in some films at a regular interval ….Mukesh was never visible at all. His other relatives like Moti Sagar and Preeti Sagar however emerged in quite a few movies . As most of these movies were of B/C class they went un noticed.

1173 AK January 9, 2019 at 7:18 am

Dinesh, KS Bhatiaji,
Mukesh debuted in Nirdosh (1941) as an actor-singer with the song Dil hi bujha hua ho to and he acted and sang in a number of films until 1945, when he sang his first song as a ‘playback’ singer in Pahli Nazar with Dil jalta hai to jalne de. Later he was seen in a brief appearance as the gaadiwan in the song Chhoti si ye zindagani in the film Aah (1953). He produced Malhar in which he sang some immortal songs for Roshan. He also produced and played lead roles in Mashooqa (1953, with Suraiya), and Anurag (1956, with Usha Kiran). These forays turned out to be misplacd, though some songs in these movies were outstanding. For example, Koi dil mein hai aur koi hai nazar mein, mohabbat ke nagme main kisko sunaun/ Isi kashamkash mein jiye ja raha hun, kise yaad rakhun kise bhool jaaun from Anurag is a quintessential Mukesh and one of my greatest favourites.

1174 Dinesh K Jain January 9, 2019 at 1:47 pm

Thanks AK and ksbhatia.

I do not wish to keep flogging the horse if it is dead, but my sense is that it is not, not yet. Manna Dey sang three very popular duets in Chori Chori, but no more. If any suggestion is made that RK or SJ did not have Mukesh free for three songs during the entire period while the film was under making, or he was so completely tied up with his stillborn acting and production career in preference to RK’s iconic film, or Jaikishan had some allergy against Mukesh and a strong preference for Manna Day after he sang only 3 songs in Sri 420 as against 3 very popular songs sung by Mukesh including the super hit Mera Joota Hai Japani, all of which I was already quite aware of, allow me to say that it does not wash. Hence my original query, which to my mind remains unanswered. But if there is no answer available, that is no problem either. I just took a chance about an idle curiosity.

Thanks again.

1175 Giri January 11, 2019 at 7:38 pm

I cannot claim to be a better expert than AK, Bhatiaji or Dineshji.
But what I read somewhere was that the film Chori Chori was produced by AVM at Madras. So when the songs were recorded there, Mukesh was busy with his own film and couldn’t go there. That is how Manna Dey came to record for RK. In fact it is said that during the recording,AVM Chettiar asked SJ why Mukesh was not singing for RK and doubted if it would turn out good. SJ explained the situation and after the songs were completed, Chettiar was satisfied.

Bhatiaji, I have read that Manna Dey was closer to Shankar. But what you have said is news to me.

1176 Dinesh K Jain January 12, 2019 at 2:50 pm

Many thanks, Giri. Your further explanation is much appreciated. It is also in line with AK’s first response, and together they make for a fairly plausible explanation. One could still have doubts: the songs could be recorded within about 3 days, or maximum one week, and howsoever busy, Mukesh could always make a dash to Madras for it; or the songs could be recorded in Bombay, or in so many other ways, and why would Mukesh not take some trouble for RK(?), but then those were different days and logistic and communications issues were not so easy to resolve, or there could have been numerous other reasons why it came to be the way it did. The main point is that the end result was as pleasant as it could be even with Mukesh, so I am now willing to rest content here. Thanks all for your efforts.

1177 Gaddeswarup January 23, 2019 at 5:22 pm

This may be well known to others but new to me. All the four articles are in the link https://vijaypkhare.wordpress.com/tag/forgotten-music-directors/

1178 N Venkataraman January 23, 2019 at 6:12 pm

Very useful link. Thanks Gaddeswarupji.

1179 AK January 24, 2019 at 8:01 am

Gaddeswarupji,
Thanks a lot for the link. I had not seen it earlier. I would go through it at leisure.

1180 arvind February 18, 2019 at 10:06 pm

On MD Khaiyyam’s b’day sharing a song from the 1977 movie Shankar Husain :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSwD4Gcvjq8
(Aap yoon faaslon se guzarte rahe…/Lata/Jaan Nisar Akhtar(?)).

1181 ksbhatia February 19, 2019 at 12:17 am

Khayyam ….one of my fav.music director that gave beautiful melodies …soft , truth full , magical supported by nice instrumentals …purely indian….and what not ….beautiful poetry adding up to put smiles for ever.

A song from my heart chissled therein….

aye dil e nadaan….Lata ji…..Razia Sultan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvuhU5Y0rlM

1182 Shachindra Prasad February 21, 2019 at 5:08 pm

AK sir,
My namaskar to the esteemed SOY members. What a fabulous assembly of music lovers.
This is to bring to your kind notice that on 14th February, 2019, I sent a mail requesting to consider inclusion of a song in parodies. I find it unreplied. Perhaps you have not seen it. I sent the comments responding to the second article on parodies. Request a look please.
Shachindra Prasad.

1183 AK February 21, 2019 at 11:17 pm

Shachindraji,
Thanks for your nice words. I am sorry I was late in replying to your earlier comment. Now I have posted my reply on the relevant post and have also linked the song.

1184 ksbhatia February 27, 2019 at 10:51 pm

Ms. Shalan Lal , D P Rangan ji,N Venkatraman ji ;

Some times its a joy to live your own thoughts . Reciprocal melodies ,beautiful songs , nice presentation and marvelous photography …..adding as additional counter arts. In a single movie one can have the feeling ….don’t give up even when it hurts most. Yes, the songs that describes the agony of unrequited love . Each note, slow beats, sad lyrics , beautiful cry , sad smile…..all these in one movie ….AWARA ! Only RK and his team could bring such marvels.

Aa Jao Tadapte Hain Arman

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJA4oz4Of2s

Hum Tujhse Mohabbat Kar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lHlfBGBMN4

This is one little mini topic where we can dwell for similar reciprocal songs …..or at least experimenting with other composers .

1185 N Venkataraman February 28, 2019 at 4:25 pm

Bhatiaji,
When you wrote “Yes, I will switch to blues soon”, I never expected you to come out in open with this mini topic on blues. Well, the first song that occurred to me was the twin songs from Jaal. Does it fit the bill ?

Ye Raat Ye Chandni Phir Kaha by Hemant Kumar, film Jaal (1952), lyrics Sahir Ludhyanvi, music S D Burman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GfUK9Urb6I

Chandni Raate Pyar Ki Baate by Lata Mangeshkar, film Jaal (1952), lyrics Sahir Ludhyanvi, music S D Burman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=9&v=J57-ufa9Uto

1186 ksbhatia March 2, 2019 at 12:10 am

N Venkatraman ji ;

You have really hit the target . The Jaal songs bring forth the pathos of romance. Feeling emotions of each others thru such songs is a great feeling. Pathos evokes emotion and pity too. Feelings of frustration and anger with injustice is never shared…..but felt in heart. Ultimately Romance overcomes Pathos and wins hearts.

Now , another emotional encounter of two highly charged love …..failed by local circumstances. Habits die hard they say ; but the film Daag showed it otherwise. Ultimately Grit and Determination wins…..a law of this universe.

Preet yeh kaisi bol ri duniya…..Lata…..Daag….SJ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6GrBRIkrbk

Koi nahin hai mera is duniya mein….Talat….Daag….SJ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDD1dODXfn4

In both the songs duniya is the referal point .

1187 N Venkataraman March 3, 2019 at 4:30 pm

Bhatiaji,
One more example of love failed by local circumstances. But here providence conspires to reunite the innocent lovers. Not a very high-intensity one, nevertheless… film Bharosa (1963), lyrics Rajinder Krishan, music Ravi

Vo Dil Kahaan Se Laaun Teri Yaad Jo Bhulaade by Lata Mangeshkar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC4e11S5Ds4

Is Bhari Duniya Me, Koi Bhi Hamara Na Hua by Md.Rafi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up4Gkxb66ac

1188 gaddeswarup March 12, 2019 at 7:13 am

I remember some similar stories from earlier posts. This seems based on his son’s remembrances https://scroll.in/reel/916111/madan-mohan-tribute-each-word-of-the-lyric-gained-significance-through-the-way-he-tuned-the-song

1189 gaddeswarup March 12, 2019 at 1:41 pm

Interesting article. I do not think that this is true of Indian film music. https://theamericanscholar.org/the-sound-of-evil/?utm_source=social_media&medium=twitter#.XIdnLBrZWf2

1190 AK March 12, 2019 at 10:27 pm

Gaddeswarupji @1187,
One can understand Madan Mohan’s anguish, but I am still surprised that he could not cope with it. He must have known that he was held in very high esteem, and he had created some everlasting music. To borrow KS Bhatiaji’s phrase he used elsewhere, Madan Mohan won the hearts, even though he may not have won awards.

1191 AK March 12, 2019 at 10:31 pm

Gaddeswarupji @1188,
This is a fascinating article. I can’t remember a similar example from Hindi films. But our new films are coming with unconventional stories; they are also making some very sophisticated crime thrillers. I wouldn’t be surprised if someone comes with a story of a twisted, dark mind being erudite in literature, classical music and high art.

1192 Shachindra Prasad March 17, 2019 at 10:16 pm

AK sir,
I observe from the index that we don’t have an article fully dedicated to music director Vasant Desai. Yes, his songs and brief mention about him are sporadically there under different themes and essays. Vasant Desai created a large number immortal, evergreen songs. Someone from our learned and erudite SOY team needs to research for a writeup on Vasant Desai.
His birth day is in June and an article focussed on him at that time shall be a befitting tribute to the great man.
He was closely associated with V. Shantaram giving great music. It remains unknown why their creative relationship suddenly ended.
He was perhaps the first to use echo sound effect. In 1952, a Marathi film got nomination at Cannes for its music. He was the music director.
I recall a short educational animation movie that mirrors his genius as a music director. It was about ekta in anekta. This small animation movie was made in 1974. It used to be regularly shown on Doordarshan. Sadhna Sargam was barely six years old when she sang ‘ ek gilahri anek gilahri’ under Vasant Desai. Perhaps this movie was awarded in Japan.
Trust, you and respected SOY members will consider my request.

Regards,
Shachindra Prasad.

1193 arvind March 17, 2019 at 10:23 pm

Remembering MD Ghulam Mohammed on his death anniversary.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JS2VY6zGTd4
(chalo dildar chalo/kaif bhopali/Pakeezah/Lata+Rafi/1972 )

1194 AK March 17, 2019 at 10:44 pm

Shachindra Prasadji,
You are right. Vasant Desai is one of the most respected music directors and he has not yet been covereed exclusively on SoY. Now that you have brought him on the radar screen he would surely be covered at an approprate time. And thanks a lot for mentioning Ek chidiya anek chidiya. It was everyone’s favourite. I didn’t know Vasant Desai composed this song.

1195 ksbhatia March 18, 2019 at 11:47 pm

Ms. Shalan Lal , D P Rangan ji, Venkatraman ji , AK ji ;

The reference of Vasant Desai has brought an interesting story/information on Pran .

We all know that Pran has sung many good songs on screen and quite a view of them are liked by many . ….but one song that seldom appear for reference or discussion is the one from 1950 movie Sheesh Mahal ….produced by Sohrab Modi , the Director Producer known for his semi classical / historical/mythological films.

In pre 50s Pran used to be main star acting as hero in many films . Sheesh Mahal was the one movie where Pran reluctantly accepted Villain role ….and there after what followed is History .

Here is one duet song sung by Pran and Nigar Sultana . See how handsome Pran looks in the song ….some how not like a villain but a hero . The Vasant Desai song carries a beautiful melody….not typical of his composition though ….

Jise dhoondhti phirti hai meri nazar..Geeta Dutt_Rafi_Vasant Desai

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiZlFXeptpw

Whenever I see old charming place in the background of a song I can not resist myself sharing with others. What in the background of this song is a beautiful old building that reminds me of pre british india architecture . This building could be from Banglore or Calcutta [ Old City of Joy era] . What made me more interesting in this visual is the presence of Nelson Pillar facing the building . Now such pillars were erected as War Memorials …..design of one can trace to its presence in Trafalger Square London also ….a famous tourist place . . The one erected as Nelson Memorial in Dublin with same design was razed to ground in 1966 by Irish Govt. and new Needle like structure came up later at the same site. The other Pillars that are famous……. reflects the coronation and are made or designed as one like that in Washigton [ known as Needle also]. In 50’s Nelson Square [ residential ] existed near G P O , New Delhi …..that too is now razed and replaced by multistory buildings.

Not going further in History ….I am curious to know whether the building and the pillar still exist in Calcutta or elsewhere ? I think Venkatraman ji can through some light on this. I have a feeling that It could be the one among many structures built by East India Company.

Going to other side of the globe…. I easily remembered this Nelson Pillar design was used as Street Light Pillar in a very famous hollywood musical 50’s movie song …..Singing in the Rain…filmed on Gene Kelly . Hear and see the song and think about presence of Nelson Pillar design in America and India .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w40ushYAaYA

Not going further and back to my KS studio room ….I am lucky to have Two Table Lamps with same Nelson Pillar design….comprising Pedestal , Grooved Pillar and top square design for supporting bulb . The singing of Pran brought all these connection around me. Hoping to find some more .

1196 AK March 19, 2019 at 12:30 pm

KS Bhatiaji,
Your reminiscences are so impressive and enjoyable.
If you are referring to the Washington Monument in DC, that would come under the generic category of an obelisk. The forecourt in Rashtrapati Bhavan has a pillar known as ‘Jaipur Column’. However, Nelson Column seems to be very common in the old European towns. And as for the lamp post in Singing in the Rain, it seems it was freely used in Hindi film songs. These were most probably on real locations but sets.

1197 Shalan Lal March 19, 2019 at 5:13 pm

KSBhatia @ 1194

I am in agreement with AK on the reflection of your writing. I further would say that you have a very keen eye about the monuments as architectural study. I wonder if you have done any photography of the ancient buildings in India and other countries you have travelled.

Sohrab Modi’s film Sheesh Mahal was very good and there were plenty of good songs and beautiful Nasseem Begum acted as heroine perhaps her last role as the heroine in the films.

The Punjabi singer Pushpa Hans dominated the songs in this film. She acted and sang in the “Shantram” film “Apana Desh” and there she sang “Dil-e- Naadaan Tuze Hua Kya” a Ghalib Ghazzal extremely well.

The music was by “Purshottam”. Perhaps AK should do a post on this rare composer.

These are my memories came back with your mention of “Pran”. I like “Pran” he was very good actor as a very bad villain.

He appeared briefly in a Noorjeahn Film as her husband and that started Muslim social films.

He was very good as a user of the young girls in the film “Badi Bahen” .Elsewhere AK has agreed that there was no post so far on “Vasant Desai” who was usually associated with V.Shantaram.

But he gave very good music both in the Hindi films and Marathi film of the period from forties until he died in a lift got caught in the iron spring door.

He lived near Shivaji Park Dadar on the opposite side of where C.Ramchandra used to live.

They both have some memorials in either side of Shivaji Park Dadar, Bombay.

Shalan

1198 ksbhatia March 20, 2019 at 3:58 pm

Ms. Shalan Lal , AK ji;

During our childhood there was no button like….Save… . Yes., past memories are surely side effects of our quest to reach for the best of time we have spend. I regret when the memories are on …Hold…position . Regret becomes ….worry ….when memories are vanishing . Whenever past is in active mode ….never reach for …Delete button .

Old age have all the pleasures of going thru memories of ….vinyl records , Stamps , First day covers , Small round marbles , Post cards , Pen friends letters , Old trunks and Locks , Old Clocks and wrist watches….etc…acquired during all those years . Illusions helps when these are not in your possession ……and what a pleasure when some of them still finds special places on your drawing room walls….to look and enjoy with music.

Yes ; I take pictures and videos whenever I am on vacation with children and grand children . I cherish looking at those visuals watching how my grand daughters looked like when they were 3, 5, 9, 14 …..and I am waiting for them when they celebrate 16 th birthday.

Photography has been my passion since my college days. I used to develop and print my own reels in Photography Club of IIT, Delhi . The elder brothers famous Kodak Box Camera was handy for me to carry over on my outings.

I am curious to watch Pran’s …Sheesh Mahal but I am unable to find it on YT or elsewhere . ….just to find how an artist change his image from Hero to Non Hero Image……or how difficult is the transition.

Meanwhile here is one of my favorite X mas song [ memory of an old x mas card].. by Jim Reeves ….
Enjoy the lyrics and the lilting soft music .

Jim Reeves – An Old Christmas Card

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8GC6PTK7iY

1199 ksbhatia March 26, 2019 at 2:56 pm

N. Venkatraman ji ;

On a least Travelled Road of Country of no Name…..Poetry overtakes the Emotions and Thoughts overpowers the Words . Not finding on any Atlas ……I am still at a lost . True places , however , never are on any Radar or a Map .

Manna Dey (Non Film)- Ye Awara Raaten….V Balsara

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1gbYpY5MlM

After listening to that AIR time gap tune by V Balsara my respect for his composition has gone four fold . He has composed so many beautiful NFS that we at some moment of time in our past have listened to but never knew about the soft spoken gentleman . I am continuesly watching his achievements available on YT . I am glad that I am knowing him better now.

1200 N Venkataraman April 3, 2019 at 5:06 pm

Bhatiaji @ 1194,
In the avalanche of comments, I missed out you posts in the “Open House” section. The current comments appearing on the right side gets swept away by the never ending stream of comments.

Your recollections are interesting and pleasure to read. Thank you Bhatiaji. The building, the War memorial and the minaret in the background of the song is definitely not in Kolkata or anywhere in Bengal. It may be in Hyderabad. Not very sure. Such war memorials and minarets can be found in many places in India. Unless one has definite knowledge, it is difficult to say.

Of course there are several buildings of the Raj era in Kolkata, like The Currency Building, The Town Hall, Metcalfe Hall, The Writers Building, Indian Museum, The National Library, the Victoria Memorial etc etc. I can recollect two war memorials. One is the “Glorious dead Cenetoph” at the Maidan and the other one at College Square. And the Saheed Minar, (previously known as Ochterlony Monument) the minaret like structure resembling Qutub Minar, is still there in the Maidan. You can find the details of the memorials in the links below;

https://rangandatta.wordpress.com/2013/06/05/the-glorious-dead-cenotaph-calcutta-kolkata/
https://www.telegraphindia.com/india/the-bhadralok-goes-to-war/cid/221119
https://www.mapsofindia.com/my-india/travel/shaheed-minar-or-ochterlony-monument-the-qutub-minar-of-kolkata

1201 N Venkataraman April 3, 2019 at 8:09 pm

Bhatiaji @ 1197

The film “Sheesh Mahal” is very much available in YT. Here is the link.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_uFShPQ2ZY

I quickly browsed through the film. Pran meets Nigar Sultana for the first time at the race course. At the entrance I could notice a board mentioning Children under 13 (!) are not allowed in English and Urdu. The dress of the people in and around the race course and the sign board initially made me conclude that it must be Hyderabad. On further probing I noticed that Pran’s car bore an UP number plate. The chances are that the location could be in Lucknow or somewhere in its vicinity.

1202 N Venkataraman April 3, 2019 at 8:40 pm

Bhatiaji @ 1198,

‘On a least Travelled Road of Country of no Name…..Poetry overtakes the Emotions and Thoughts overpowers the Words . Not finding on any Atlas ……I am still at a lost . True places , however , never are on any Radar or a Map .’

I wonder how you could effortlessly give vent to your thoughts. I am listening to this song after a very long time. The song was recorded in 1959 and on the other side was another NFS, Yeh Kaun Chala penned by Madhukar Rajasthani. But I never knew that the music was by V Balsara. Altogether Manna Dey had rendered atleast 16 NFS penned by Madhukar Rajasthani.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iJozd51o0M

1203 ksbhatia April 3, 2019 at 11:32 pm

N Venkatraman ji @1199 , 1200, 1201 ;

Congratulations on crossing 1200 bench mark of Open House and thanks for your various links and inputs which i think will help me on zero downing on the target. Now the link is there I am going to watch the movie for Pran’s first appearance as bad character.

Manna Dey ‘s NFS….yeh kaun chala…I heard it long time back in one of Door Darshan prog. of B &W era . It indeed is a beautiful composition.There are some more NFS composed by V Balsara and sung by Mukesh, Talat, Geeta Dutt …etc. Instrumental composition by V Balsara are amazing ! he truly mastered playing Piano, accordeon, Harmonium and Harmonica . I think he played some touches with Flute also.

Anyway listening is a pleasure….an exit way to problems . Such songs can only be discovered when you walk thru Park Trails . Every such songs carries untold stories . My salute to v Balsara .

1204 N Venkataraman April 4, 2019 at 6:11 pm

Bhatiaji,
Pran started his career in films as a villain in a Punjabi film Yamla Jat (1940). Screenwriter Wali Mohammed Wali spotted him at his hangout at a paan shop in Lahore. Producer and studio owner Dalsukh Pancholi was making a Punjabi film called Yamla Jat in 1939, and he needed a villain. At 19, a reluctant Pran agreed to act in it. The film is not available in YT.

1205 arvind April 6, 2019 at 10:00 pm

Remembering Suchitra Sen on her birthday:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STOM6NZfcrs
(Is mod se jaate hain/Aandhi/lata+KK/Gulzar/R D Burman/1975)

1206 N venkataraman April 7, 2019 at 4:01 pm

Arvindji,
Though belated, joining you in paying tributes to Suchitra Sen.
A song from the Bengali film Indrani by Geeta Dutt
Ogo Sundar Jano Naki
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqoeDh_vDXI

1207 N venkataraman April 7, 2019 at 4:21 pm

Today is Pandit Ravi Shankar’s 100th Birthday, or in other words his birth centenary starts today. My tributes to this great musician.
Jugalbandi between Pandit Ravi Shankar and Yehudi Menuhin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XN8AiDvnZI
Would like to do a post on him by next year 7th April,
if Akji permits.

1208 AK April 7, 2019 at 5:45 pm

Most Welcome. The date is locked for you. I am sure your post will be ready a few months before the due date.

1209 mumbaikar8 May 2, 2019 at 6:53 am

Manna Dey Birth 1st may 1919
He surely deserves more than this:-(
This song says it all
https://youtu.be/vyrOdkr2myw?t=27

1210 Gaddeswarup May 4, 2019 at 10:35 pm

My first trip abroad was to England in 1969. Before that I used to enjoy film songs mainly in Telugu and Hondi. Western music was strange to me. Peter, Paul and Mary’s songs were the first I could relate to moth in music and content. https://www.jacobinmag.com/2019/05/pete-seeger-birthday-folk-music-protest

1211 R Vasudevan May 13, 2019 at 12:12 pm

SOY has a new look which looks good and modern too.

1212 AK May 13, 2019 at 1:54 pm

Mr Vasudevan,
Thanks, but this look was necessitated by compatibility issues with recent updates. I have become used to the old look.

1213 N Venkataraman May 13, 2019 at 2:42 pm

AKji,
Although we all got used to the old look, well the new look also appears good. I guess this change was inevitable.
The only difficulty that I could feel now is the absence of chronological numbering of the comments, which was very useful for reference. Would it be difficult to incorporate the chronological numbering again?

1214 ksbhatia May 13, 2019 at 2:51 pm

Yes. Old references are difficult to trace , if incorporated the new look becomes more usefull.

1215 AK May 22, 2019 at 9:33 pm

Venkataramanji,
The chronological numbering is visible on Google Chrome, on some other browsers it does not show, which is because of compatibility issues with new updates.

1216 Gaddeswarup May 23, 2019 at 3:02 am

Influence of Saigal and Timir Baran on DK Pattammal in one song around 1938 and similar topics in these posts https://sriramv.wordpress.com/2018/02/23/musing-on-some-film-songs-1/

1217 arvind May 24, 2019 at 10:10 pm

Remembering Majrooh Sultanpuri on his death anniversary(24th May).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33bc3ReYKh0
(Rahen na rahen ham/Mamta(1966)/ LM/Roshan

1218 N Venkataraman May 29, 2019 at 6:12 pm

Gaddeswarupji @ 1215
Thanks for the post. Nice find.

1219 N Venkataraman May 29, 2019 at 6:14 pm

AKji @ 1214
The chronological numbering is visible now. Thanks

1220 N Venkataraman May 29, 2019 at 6:14 pm

Arvindji @ 1216
Back after week. Joining you in paying my tributes to Majrooh Sultanpuri, rather belatedly.

1221 arvind June 1, 2019 at 11:36 pm

On Nargis’birthday (1st June) recalling:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcT4UHsjq7c
(Panchhi banoon udti phiroon…/Chori Chori(1956)/LM/Hasrat Jaipuri/SJ.)

1222 N Venkataraman June 5, 2019 at 3:25 pm

Arvindji,
Once again I missed out your post at the ‘Open House’ on Nargis’s 90th Birth anniversary. Here song from the film Taqdeer when Nargis was 14 years old.
Babu Daroga Ji Kaun Kasur Par by Shamshad Begum. Film Taqdeer (1943), lyrics Anjum Pilibhiti, music Rafiq Ghaznavi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHNsPDt6apY

1223 N Venkataraman June 5, 2019 at 4:24 pm

Arvindji
Exremely sorry for posting the wrong link.
Here is the correct link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch7SPJtf_dA

1224 Gaddeswarup June 11, 2019 at 5:09 pm
1225 ksbhatia June 11, 2019 at 10:02 pm

Gaddeswarup ;

Thanks for the link to the article on SJ that made a good apprisal of their work. Long time back I read an article written by Jaikishan’s sister that was very extensive and was in Hindi. It was truly a first hand information that reflected jaikishan’s personality and his varying interests in art and culture……and his bonding with Shanker and Raj Kapoor. He was like a son to Prithviraj Kapoor and affectionately would call hin Papa Ji .

I am unable to trace back the article….if found ….that will make awesome reading once again .

1226 Gaddeswarup June 15, 2019 at 4:57 am

Probably this is not meant for greeting each other. In view of his many contributions to this blog, I wish Raja Venkataraman a very happy birthday.

1227 N Venkataraman June 15, 2019 at 11:58 am

Gaddeswarupji,
I take it as your blessing. Thank a lot. Please accept my respects and love.

1228 Gaddeswarup June 20, 2019 at 3:48 pm

https://www.mpg.de/13559339/0612-verh-060830-the-brains-of-birds-synchronize-when-they-sing-duets
“The brains of birds synchronize when they sing duets
Vocal control areas in the brain of weaver birds fire in time when they sing together”

1229 AK June 20, 2019 at 5:14 pm

Gaddeswarupji,
Fantastic article. Thanks for sharing it.

1230 N Venkataraman June 21, 2019 at 1:24 pm

Gaddeswarupji @ 1227
Thanks for posting this informative article.

1231 Gaddeswarup June 22, 2019 at 11:59 am
1232 N Venkataraman June 22, 2019 at 1:58 pm

Thank you Gaddeswarupji. I have the 2nd edition. It seems this an updated third edition.

1233 Dr Pradeep Kumar Shetty June 22, 2019 at 7:19 pm

I am curious to know which is the first song where Kishore Kumar has done yodelling. There is a reason why ask . Read several articles about the same , but couldn’t get the information.

1234 Shachindra Prasad June 23, 2019 at 5:46 pm

Akji,
Submitting a suggestion. Considering the ‘yore’ period, singer Bhupendra is a late entrant. He is at the tail end of it. Gulzar, R D Burman, Kishore Kumar spoke highly of him. He has given many great songs. He is also an accomplished musician, remembered for many melodious guitar pieces. He gave many good Ghazals too.
If not already done, it would be worthwhile to do some research and write an exclusve post about this wonderful artist.
Please do think.

1235 N Venkataraman June 23, 2019 at 6:59 pm

Pradeepji @ 1232
I think it must be in the 1950 film Muqaddar. There were two duets with Asha Bhosle where you will find him yodeling. There were three music directors in this film, Khemchand Prakash, Bhola Shresatha & James Singh. I guess James Singh could be the MD for both the songs.

The first one…….You will find Kishore yodeling at 1:04
Aati hai yad humko January Feruary, Pahli pahli mulakat hui meri tumhari with Asha Bhosle, lyricsRaj Sekhar, music James Singh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=j2uPgBC-3eo

Here the yodeling is more pronounced.
Ek Do Teen Char Bago Me Aayi Hai Bahar with Asha Bhosle, lyrics Bharat Vyas, music James Singh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=102&v=GN3tHrwIkvc

1236 N Venkataraman June 23, 2019 at 7:06 pm

The first song, Aati hai yad humko January Feruary, was posted by Anupji in th Barahmasa post.

1237 AK June 23, 2019 at 8:08 pm

Shachindraji,
You have rightly said Bhupendra comes at the tail end, and flourished in 70s and later. He was not on my radar screen, but if someone offers to write a guest article I will be very happy to carry it.

1238 Dr Pradeep Kumar Shetty June 24, 2019 at 5:25 pm

N Venkataraman ji,
Thank you very much.
I came across Kishore’s yodelling coming out of a heroine’s mouth for just a few seconds in an early 50s song! I think he was not credited for the same!
Any guesses?
There is a Hemant Kumar’s songs with Others connection!

1239 Dr Pradeep Kumar Shetty June 24, 2019 at 5:31 pm

Shachindra Prasad ji,
Just the other day,I was wondering what would have been the outcome if Bhupinder and Hemant Kumar had sung together!
I like Bhupinder very much. He has sung with most of his contemporary singers except Hemant Kumar, and, perhaps, Mukhesh.

1240 N Venkataraman June 24, 2019 at 8:05 pm

Pradeepji,
Unable to guess. No idea.

1241 Shachindra Prasad June 24, 2019 at 9:56 pm

Pradeepji,
Yes, you are right. As far as I know, Bhpendra Singh did not sing with Mukesh and Hemant Kumar.
I sincerely feel he should be given a tribute by SOY with a well researched post. AKji, I hope, shall find the person with the right creative and researching powers to assign this work. Bhupendra is a living legend.
Thanks for taking note of my comment.

1242 Dr Pradeep Kumar Shetty June 26, 2019 at 9:46 am

N Venkataraman ji,
James Singh ( Jimmy) himself is supposed have done a bit of yodelling in the boisterous Ae Babu O Babu ji main na karoon teri naukri…. Shamshad Begum, SHRIMATI JI,1952.
I was thinking it was Kishore Kumar!

1243 Dr Pradeep Kumar Shetty June 26, 2019 at 9:48 am

Shachindra Prasad ji,
Why don’t you yourself do the post?
I can help you with much information about Bhupinder Singh. Since I like most of his work,I have closely followed it for many years.

1244 Shachindra Prasad June 26, 2019 at 4:22 pm

Dr. Pradeepji,
Oh, no sir. not everyone is endowed with creative writing prowess.
Regards.

1245 Gaddeswarup June 28, 2019 at 8:34 am

I did not realise that there is a Tamil version of Anand Math. Lakshmi Shankar singing for Sheila Ramani. https://youtu.be/DM6TZXD1WTI

1246 AK June 28, 2019 at 10:29 am

Gaddeswarupji,
Nice chorus song.

1247 ksbhatia July 3, 2019 at 5:13 pm

Ms. Shalan lal , Ms. Mumbaikar 8 , Venkatraman ji , Hans ji;

With Monsoon already set in many states , its a state of mind to get it tuned to Megh Malhaar raag based devotional gurbani shabad and classical based songs . I am posting one shabad for all to share this soulful experience .

Malaar Sheetal Raag Hai Har Dhiaaeae Shaant Hoae .. Mia Ki Malhar .. Album Nanak Ki Malhar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-ELJfHrQm0&list=PL9WwnHf_G38REX3snbMaqDFN9katH04hq&index=1

1248 R Vasudevan July 19, 2019 at 8:27 am

SOY is in its 9th year and I am surprised among the Music Directors list Lakshmikanth Pyarelel is yet to figure, We all know how talented the duo are and hundreds of sweetly tuned songs they have given us.

Stalwarts in our group – I request them to come up with an article which
will be welcomed.

1249 AK July 19, 2019 at 12:53 pm

LP are very talented and the most successful duo music director. They also started in the Golden Era, therefore they fall within the time zone of SoY. Thanks for mentioning them.

1250 Arunkumar Deshmukh July 23, 2019 at 10:09 pm

Hans ji,
Here is on SHANTA APTE…..

Few of the modern generation could be remembering Shanta Apte who was a singing star, an accomplished singer and an outstanding actress. Her death anniversary fell on February 28. And in the context of the Women’s Day, she is the right person to recall as she symbolized women power both on and off the screen.

The great artist expired in 1964, her last commendable film being ‘Swayam Siddha’ which was a remarkable film showing how a courageous wife with a physically handicapped husband manages to turn the tide in her favour.
There are two instances from her life which I need to mention. It was in the late 1930s when Filmindia criticized her for her acting in a film. The editor of Filmindia, Baburao Patel, was a ferocious journalist, fearless to the core. He was recognized as a terror in the field of journalism because his reviews of movies in the monthly magazine would often decide the fate of the film. In other words, Baburao was a giant in the field of film journalism who was also the first one to introduce the column in which listeners’ letters were replied by him in a very witty style. Baburao the formidable, the fearless wrote something nasty about Shanta Apte. The day following the release of that issue of Filmindia in the market, Shanta Apte entered the office of Baburao Patel with a whip in her hands. She whipped Baburao Patel to the utter horror of all present. For once Shanta Apte’s whip became mightier than the sword-like pen of Baburao Patel. The most interesting part of the story is that Baburao published the whipping story in his magazine.

DEFIED CONTRACT: The second daring thing that Shanta Apte did was to free herself from contractual obligations. In those days film stars signed contracts with film companies which paid them monthly salaries. They may produce one movie in a year or two, it did not matter. Shanta Apte was under contract with the Prabhat studious with which she had made several memorable films. But as her fame spread far and wide and more and more producers wanted her to act in her films, Shanta Apte realized that the contract with the Prabhat company was acting as a hurdle to her free lancing. She requested the film company to free her from the bondage of the contract, But the company would just not agree, Finally she offered Satyagraha outside the film company. Prabhat were thus forced to relieve her of her contractual obligations. Shanta Apte thereafter became a free bird.
Her first movie was Bhandarkar’s ‘Shyam Sunder’ made in 1932 in Maharathi and was the first movie to celebrate silver jubilee. In 1933 she joined Prabhat Company. Her first movie with them was ‘Amrit Manthan’. Songs like, ‘Raat ayi hai naya rang jamaane ke liye’ became big hits and this was the first Hindi movie to celebrate a silver jubilee in the country. Among other films in which she acted were ‘Amar Jyoti’, ‘Gopal Krisna’, ‘Wahan’,’Rajput Ramani’, ‘Duniya na maane’(1938). In this film Shanta Apte played the role of a rebel and was highly appreciated by the classes and the masses alike.. As a free-lancer she acted in several films including ‘Savitri’,’Mohabbat’. ‘Apna Ghar’, ‘Kadambari’, ‘Bhagya Laxmi’,’Sawan’, ‘Zamindar’, ’Panihari’, ’Subhadra’, ‘Uttara Abhimanyu’, ’Valmik’, ’Mandir’, ’Bhagyavaan’, ’Main Abla Nahin Hoon’, ‘Chandi Pooja’ ‘Swayam Siddha’ and so on.

VERY POPULAR;Her popularity can be gauged from the fact that despite having Noor Jehan, Pancholi(Lahore) booked her for film ‘Zamindar’ and she sang for Ghulam Haider/ . There was one film, ‘Duhai’ in which Shanta Apte was the heroine and Noor Jehan a side heroine. I don’t know how many songs each one of them sang in this movie and whether they, if released, are available today or not..

Likewise a studios in Madras invited her to act in film ‘Savitri’ in which her co-star was M.S.Subbulaxmi the noted singer, then a budding artiste. Shanta Apte was the only star who had acted in film companies of Mumbai, Kolhapur, Madras, Lahore and Calcutta. Although her last completed film was ‘Chandi Pooja’ but her last released film was ‘Swayam Sidha’.I do recall seeing some of Shanta Apte’s films in Palace and Regent (as Raj Kamal was then called). In ‘Bhagya Laxmi’ , if I remember rightly, her hero was Prem Adib. Another film of hers I keenly watched was, ‘Kadambari’. I only remember the last song. It was loaded with fiery emotions. She sings as her husband is laid on the funeral pyre. The song was, ‘Mere janam maran ke saathi, chalo chit ape so jaaen…Mandapva tayyar hai balam chalo jal ke rakh ho jaaen ?’ I specially wish to refer to the line, ‘Mandapva tayyar hai balam’ as this tune was lifted by Naushad for the line, ‘Mandir girta phir ban jaae dil ko kaun sambhale’ –in the song, ‘O duniya ke rakhwale’. She took those notes at a very high pitch most comfortably. I didn’t see film ‘Paniharin’ but I remember listening over and over again to a chorus led by her over AIR Delhi in 1947-48. The song was, ‘Panihari umariya bali, najaria kaali, zara dekh dekh kar chalna O panihari’.

WITH LATA & RAJ;Two of her other films were also noteworthy but for different reasons. One of these was ‘Mandir’. It was in this film that Lata Mangeshkar also made an appearance. And the other film was ‘Valmiki’ in which both Prithviraj and Raj Kapoor also acted.Prabhat movies were beyond my range of comprehension because when she started acting I was not even born. But I have a disc of ‘Raat layi hai naya rang jamane ke liye’ which was her first Hindi film and also the first Hindi film to achieve the distinction of celebrating a silver jubilee in India.In ‘Zamindar’ Shanta Apte acted opposite Narang who had become highly successful in film ‘Khazanchi’. Manorma and Baby Akhtar were her co-stars. Shanta Apte sang a Bhajan with Ghulam Haider (the music director of the film):’Mohe apne hi rang mein rang le he Girdhar Gopal’. There was also a song on the pattern of ‘Eechak dana’ in which Shanta Apte asks riddle and Narang replies and vice versa. There was a successful solo by her too. Incidentally for film ‘Zamindar’, Shanta Apte’s songs were recorded on HMV while Shamshad Begum’s songs were recorded on Jean-O-Phone.
(based and adapted from activeindiatv.com, with thanks)

1251 Arunkumar Deshmukh July 23, 2019 at 10:12 pm

Hans ji,
on Baburao Apte- Shanta Apte’s brother……

Baburao Apte ( variously spelt as Baburao, Bapurao or S R Apte), was the elder brother of actress Shanta Apte. He had started his acting career from the silent era. He acted in 8 silent films. Starting with film Shyamsunder-32, he acted in his first Talkie film, as Radha’s husband- where Radha was his own younger sister, Shanta Apte. In all, he acted in 16 Talkie films, his last film being “Main abla nahin hoon”-49 directed by Shanta Apte herself. He had a very minor role in it-courtesy his sister. He also directed 8 Talkie films from Kala Pahad-33 to Jadu Nagari-40. yes, this film was his last film as a director.

And yes, he was the same person, who brought his own younger sister of 9 years to act in films. He would put a condition in the contract that no other actor will touch her while shooting. If she has a wife’s role, he would do the husband’s role. Fortunately for cine goers, as Shanta Apte grew up as a rebel, she defied this rule and Baburao started his acting and direction separately. He got married and lived separately.

Shanta Apte- though unmarried till end- had a daughter-Nayana Apte. However this news of her daughter was kept a secret. When Shanta Apte died on 28-2-1964, ten years later Nayana declared that she was Shanta Apte’s daughter. Film Historian Isak Mujawar, in one of his books, has said that Nayana was Shanta’s daughter from brother Baburao Apte only. Such matters have no credible proofs anytime. By the way, Nayana Apte became a popular actress on Marathi Stage and in Marathi Cinema. Obviously Baburao Apte was very creative indeed !

1252 Hans July 24, 2019 at 3:21 pm

Arunji
Thanks a lot for the wholesome information. I knew you would do the trick. Most of this information is not in the public domain. I have come to know so many new events. I saw her Duniya Na Mane when doordarshan broadcast it in the DD days. Now I have downloaded it and also Amar Jyoti and Valmiki and watched them. What great films. I think the film makers in early era made lot of efforts to make them as technical help was lacking. Unfortunately very few of the films made in 30s and 40s are available, the era to which Shanta Apte belonged.

1253 AK July 24, 2019 at 5:13 pm

Arunji,
Thanks a lot for the impressive information on Shanta Apte. In the radio era, I don’t remember to have heard her songs, unlike other vintage era singers like Amirbai Karnataki, Zohrabai Ambalewali, and New Theatres singers of the 1930s and 40s like Kanan Devi and Uma Shashi.

1254 Hans July 24, 2019 at 7:16 pm

AK
That was what I was saying. Why she was not mentioned despite being such a craze in her times. She was so popular has been confirmed by Arunji. In fact she had many beautiful songs in the old films, for some of which even videos are available.

1255 dprangan July 24, 2019 at 10:28 pm

Arunkumarji

I uploaded two of Shanta Apte’s duets in Duhai as sound cloud file in mp3. in my post on Bharat Vyas at the start of the songs itself. It was probably Bharat Vyas first venture as a lyricist. The other singer was Rafic Ghaznavi.

1256 Arunkumar Deshmukh July 25, 2019 at 7:06 pm

D P Rangan ji, # 1254
There was only one link given for song ‘mohe neend na aaye’.
For the second song, there was no link, only it was mentioned.
Please check.again.
-AD

1257 dprangan July 25, 2019 at 7:11 pm

Arunkumarji
In the main write up only one link was provided. The second missing link was furnished by Venkataramanji in the comments section. Please look for it there.

1258 Dinesh K Jain July 26, 2019 at 2:52 pm

Well, I keep coming back with my idle curiosity prompting me. But then that is what the Open House is for.

For now, did Lata Mangeshkar and Suman Kalyanpur ever sing a duet together? Or, for that matter, were they ever together in any song, such as a chorus song or a Qawwali?

1259 Dr Pradeep Kumar Shetty July 26, 2019 at 4:18 pm

Dinesh ji,

CHAND, 1959.
Kabhi aaj Kabhi kal Kabhi parson
Aise hi beete barson…

Shailendra, Hemant Kumar.

GAZAL, 1964.
Unse nazrein mili hizaab aa gaya

Sahir,Madan Mohan.
( There are two views. Some say it is Minoo Purushotham and chorus with Lata here.)

1260 AK July 26, 2019 at 10:49 pm

Dinesh,
Lata Mangeshkar and Suman Kalyanpur did sing a proper duet together, which was discovered by Mumbaikar8 for Songs of Yore. I am leaving it for her to post it.

1261 mumbaikar8 July 27, 2019 at 5:14 am

AK,
I am humbled by your generosity.

Dinesh K Jain,

DR.Shetty is right the duet is from Chand.

This song is uploaded and discussed on
https://www.songsofyore.com/suman-kalyanpur-outshines-lata-mangeshkar/ beginning comment # 99.

Dr. Shetty,
The other song you have mentioned from ghazal was discussed by Arunkumarji.

1262 Dinesh K Jain July 27, 2019 at 3:16 pm

Thanks Dr Shetty, AK and mumbaikar, for your informative posts.

So, in effect and for sure, there is only one duet of LM and SK, in Chand. Not surprising! Listening to the song, I could not make out when it was one and when the other.

1263 AK July 27, 2019 at 4:22 pm

Dinesh, Dr Shetty,
Arunji mentions this duet from Ghazal (1964), but he mentions Minoo Pusushottam as the singer with Lata Mangeshkar, the YT link also mentions her, it is not clear how the reference to Suman Kalyanpur came.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jF43dgLXu5Q

1264 Arunkumar Deshmukh July 27, 2019 at 4:46 pm

AK ji,
The song was first recorded in the voices of Lata and Suman. However, for reasons not clear, the film version was in the voice of Lata and Minoo. The Lata-Minoo version is now available but the Lata-Suman version on record- for which the number is given in HFGK and quoted here- is not available on You Tube. May be some collector has it.
HFGK also mentions singers as Lata, Suman and chorus, and then gives a note separately.
-AD

1265 Shalan Lal July 28, 2019 at 5:50 pm

With ref. to the comments 1249 & 1250

Arunkumar as usual has found very good information about Shanta Apte and her Brother Baburao Apte.

The reference about Naina Apte as the daughter of Shanta Apte as the claim has been doubted by many in Pune.

Naina Apte has withdrawn from her artistic life and went back to her place where she was living.

On the Marathi stage I had seen a very famous play in the eighties or nineties called “Kachecha Chandra”. “The Glass Moon”.

This play made a roaring success. It was believed that the play was on the life story of Shanta Apte and Baburao Apte.

The heroin is actress and driven to drinking by her domineering brother who also raped her.

Very unusual and daring play for the Marathi Culture. when the political leader Mr Bal Thakarey was insisting on India’s sacred morality.

Shalan Lal

1266 Hans July 28, 2019 at 6:33 pm

Regarding this Suman/Meenu thing, I have some observations to make. In the credits of the film Ghazal, there is name of only four singers Lata, Rafi, Asha and Suman, but there is no mention of Meenu Purushottam. I think such things of not including the singer’s name in the titles happened in the 40s and for some period in the 50s. In the 60s singers were being credited regularly. So this is strange that her name does not appear despite her singing in the film. Also, Meenu’s voice has something of Usha Mangeshkar in it. I have no other terms to describe it, because I am not technical. This something of Usha was evident in her songs like ‘na na na re re na re hath na laga re’ ‘peetal ki meri gagari’ ‘ni main yaar manana ni’ and ‘raat piya ke sang jagi ri sakhi’ and in her non-film songs it was more pronounced. In the Ghazal song it is absent and the voice sounds like Suman’s. Everybody is talking in hints and nobody is naming Lata for all this, though there hints mean the same. If she was not happy with Suman then why would she sing with her for the record and let it issued and only remove her from the film and use Meenu without credits. And Madan Mohan’s overall record suggests that he did not follow her diktats in the matter of Rafi and Asha, though he had a soft corner for her. Atul Songs a Day also puts their duets number at 2. I have checked until 1970, their is no other song with both Lata and Suman in it and it is not likely that they would have sung after that. I am not disputing the expert claims, but there is a but from my side.

1267 dprangan July 29, 2019 at 4:36 am

@1260
There is an identical song sung by P. Susheela in the film Malliga released in 1957 whereas Madan Mohan song is in the film of 1959. Who copied from whom is the puzzle.
https://youtu.be/kgQMT4s8MWM?t=134

I leave it to experts to ponder on this,

1268 mumbaikar8 July 29, 2019 at 7:04 am

Hans @1265
ASAD puts their duet number at 2 because there is a screen shot of 78 rpm record of this song with singers as Lata and Suman if you go through the comments of this song at ASAD it explains in detail,
but there is no doubt there too, that the song circulating on YouTube has Lata Mangeshkar and Minoo Purshottam.
A recent comment by Raaj Kumar Bothra states that this song was originally recorded with Suman Kalyanour and Minoopurshottam, though but he has not substantiated it.
You have some work to do now
https://atulsongaday.me/2009/12/18/unse-nazren-milin-aur-hijaab-aa-gayaa/

1269 Hans August 3, 2019 at 1:36 am

Mumbaikar8
Typing out a few letters more than you or others is hardly hard work for me. My opinions are made on facts. You have just picked my line on ASAD and ignored all the comments I made about what I thought about the song. Even on ASAD Sudhir Kapur has on 30th July put a comment stating that he has both the versions and he has said that the voice in the song is of Suman Kalyanpur. You have given credence to Mr Bothra’s comment who is at best an occasional commenter there, while others like Atul and Sadanand Kamath are almost for Suman. If he is to be believed then it would transpire that Madan Mohan was like a street composer whose recorded songs could be tampered with at anybody’s beck and call. Madan Mohan was the one composer who had a character of his own and no non-sense type. I cant visualize such a thing in his film.

It may be remembered that this was the time when Lata was not singing duets with Rafi. Statistics show that MM was not happy with Lata for that. During the years 1964 and 65, barring a couple of songs which were recorded earlier, there are no Lata-Rafi duets. In these two years Madan Mohan composed music for 12 films. Out of the 16 male-female duets he composed, Rafi was there in 11 of them with other singers, 2 with Suman and the rest with Asha. On the other hand Lata got only 4 out of the 16. Out of these 4 also 2 went to Talat for his sake and not for Lata’s sake, because MM was using Talat after 3 years’ gap. MM’s character came out in Jahanara where he used Talat despite stiff opposition from the bosses there. The reason why I am saying MM was not happy with Lata was because MM used Suman only for 4 duets ( two with Rafi, one with M. Kapoor and one with Lata ) during this period. He never used Suman earlier or later. Knowing his character he must have deliberately clubbed Suman with Lata for the duet in Ghazal. Regarding the duets scene, if we compare this 1964-65 situation with period immediately prior to this, we find that from 1959-63 he composed 20 male -female duets in 13 films. Rafi was in 12, 4 with Lata and the rest with Asha . Lata was in 11 duets, 4 with Rafi and the rest with others. I think nothing can be more clear that he sided with Rafi during the Lata strike.

You must be remembering that in Anokha Pyar Lata cut the records for all the songs which were sung -UNDISPUTEDLY – by Meena Kapoor in the film. AK in his yearly review credited all the songs to Lata, to which you also objected, if I remember correctly. Now when HFGK clearly mentions the record number of Lata-Suman duet, which at least one person Sudhir Kapur has with him, then how can it be attributed to Meenu, when she is not even mentioned in the titles. Meena Kapoor was a major singer in those days and her voice was easily identifiable on the basis of her other songs. But, Meenu’s voice was hardly familiar to the common public in 1964 with just a couple of duets with very little of her presence. So to me the conspiracy is how people so recognised her voice that even in the absence of her name in titles, she got the credit.

Even after all this you and everybody else is free to have their opinion. But for me, especially after Sudhir Kapur’s comment, there is no Meenu Purushottam in the song.

1270 mumbaikar8 August 3, 2019 at 11:17 am

Hans,
You got me wrong I did not give credence to Mr. Bothra’s comment I said he has not substantiated. The work I wrote about was not about typing out letters but diving deep to find get the truth of Mr. Bothra’s comment. I had attached a smiley after my extra work comment but as usual it disappeared in copy and paste.
On ASAD post in comment #7 Mr. Prakshchandra has uploaded the Sa re ga ma official YouTube video and the credit there is Lata and Minoo.
Mr. kamath’s response to that is
“It is so because the LP records generally have songs taken from the original sound tracks if the films are available. “
That is the LP record and original sound track gives credit to Minoo Purshottam.
I agree there, not only Madan Mohan, most of the MDs SJ, SDB, Roshan had sided with Rafi.
I have no explanation why her name is no there in title, perhaps she got the credit because her name is there in the LP.
My comment preceded Sudhirji’s comment, I have requested Sudhirji to send me the Lata Suman version he has.
The version circulating on you tube in my opinion is Minoo.
Arvinder Sharmaji has good ear in distinguishing singers I would request him to give his input.

1271 Hans August 3, 2019 at 3:18 pm

Mumbaikar8
I perfectly understood you and my remarks were just in lighter vein.

Mr Bothra’s comment had no basis so there was no need to go deep into it. Suman-Meenu, Lata-Suman, Lata-Meenu, this sounds like musical chairs and I described the character of MM and said he would not allow such musical chairs.

You mentioned official saregama video. From that should we deduce that Lata-Meenu record was also issued. If so, where is that. If no, they are violating copyright by copying it from the sound track of the film. And when it is undisputed that Lata-Suman record was issued, then why saregama are not using that record for official purposes. Is this some conspiracy. If you listen to that official video of saregama, you will find it edited. Then why cant the names be edited.

On Mr Kamath’s comment about LP, I can just say that he is misinformed. LP was just a record on which many songs could be stored, because of its long play quality and it cannot be defined to mean it has to be made only from the sound track of the film. The 78 rpm records had limited scope and longer songs were recorded on both sides. That is why in old films we find the limit of 3 minutes, even those songs which were longer in films were pruned to conform to this 3 minute format. After invention of LP, the song companies started to put all songs of a film on one record. That was the only difference. Copy right of the sound track of the film remained with the producer. Since LP records could play for more than 20 minutes, the producers sold the set of LPs of the whole sound track of the hit films to make money. But even they were barred to issue sound track of songs only because of the contract with the song company.

I have already given my opinion on the song, so I have nothing more to say.

1272 arvind August 3, 2019 at 10:02 pm

On their (Shakeel Badayuni and Jaidev ) birth anniversary (August the 3rd) recalling two gems:
1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVO_eVRS-d8
Koi Door Se Aawaaz De/Geeta Dutt/Sahib Biwi Aur Ghulam)/Shakeel Badayuni/Hemanta Kumar/1962 and

2)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Lg1bLwBjLA
Koi gaata main so jaata/K. J.Yesudas/Aalap/H R Bachchan/Jaidev/1977.

1273 arvind August 3, 2019 at 10:15 pm

@1271
Link provided for the Alaap song is not functional.
Providing the link again.Hope it works this time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Lg1bLwBjLA

1274 Dinesh K Jain August 7, 2019 at 10:09 pm

I won’t be surprised if this has already been discussed before on SoY, but I am surprised to find that for Shama’s lovely song Dhadakte Dil Ki Tamanna Ho, Suraiya has sung it for herself as well as for Nimmi, with the two apparently vying with each other for the hero’s love. Unique? And why?

1275 AK August 8, 2019 at 9:38 am

Dinesh,
This song has been mentioned earlier, but this aspect has not been specifically discussed. It is surprising all right, because in the film Suman Kalyanpur has given playback for Nimmi in a couple of songs, and the songs are excellent. The only reason I can think of is that Suraiya’s songs in the film – Mast aankhon mein shararat kabhi aisi to na thi; Aapse pyar hua jata hai, besides Dhadakate dil ki tamannaon – were so exceptional that for this song the producer and the music director must have decided to use her voice for Nimmi too. The same singer singing for several actors in a film, such as Lata Mangeshkar in Barsaat was not so unique.

1276 Dr Pradeep Kumar Shetty August 8, 2019 at 12:04 pm

AK ji,
The uniqueness of the song was in two heroines lip-syncing to the same singer in one song. That one of them is a singing star makes it even more special.
The same singer singing for several artistes ( PATRANI…Lata on Vyjayanthimala, Shashikala, some extra artiste; on Nanda, Helen_ GUMNAAM; Sadhna, Helen_ INTQAAM.
Asha on… Rekha, Anuradha Patel_ IJAAZAT; Meena Kumari, Padmini, Mumtaz_KAAJAL; Zeenat Aman,Neetu Singh_ YKB,Jaya Bhadhuri, Helen_ ANAMIKA….)
AND
The same artiste singing in several voices ( Jaya _ ANAMIKA, PARICHAY; Hema Malini_ KHUSHBOO, LEKIN)
is pretty common.
Another instance of two artistes lip syncing to the same singer in one song that I can readily recall is from THE BURNING TRAIN.
Pal do pal ka saath hamara…Asha Sachdev/ Neetu Singh.
Teri nazar hai mujhpe… Parveen Babi, Hema Malini.
I am sure there are a few more, but not many.

1277 Hans August 8, 2019 at 5:52 pm

Dr Shetty
Dinesh’s queries look simple and innocuous, but there is deep thinking and intelligence behind them. Suraiyya was known as a singing star and after initially giving playback in a couple of Naushad films never gave a playback for another heroine. Dinesh’s question is perhaps in that context. Otherwise there are many instances of what you or AK mention.

In my opinion, this being a very delayed film, Suraiyya had already recorded the song as a solo. Later perhaps in view of the fact that Nimmi was more active than Suraiyya who had already retired, the end was changed to accommodate a happy ending for Nimmi and she lip-synched for a few lines. The abrupt suicide by Suraiyya in the end suggests only that. There have been films the end of which were changed. The most significant film in this regard is Ek Mahal Ho Sapnon Ka – 1975. I have seen this film with three different endings. When the film first came, Dharmendra and Sharmila got married in the end and Leena Chandrawarkar returned to the foreign country from where she had come. Then a time came when Leena became important than Sharmila and the end was changed and Dharmendra married Leena and Sharmila was killed. Then after a while Leena also became irrelevant for the immediate effect and the end was again changed, to what is available on the net these days. In this Dharmendra marries Sharmila and Leena marries Deven Verma. Even in Sholay, when it was first released, Sanjeev Kumar kills Amjad with his feet, but as per the present end, police comes and takes away Amjad.

There is no other explanation possible for Suraiyya playback.

1278 Dr Pradeep Kumar Shetty August 8, 2019 at 8:15 pm

Hans ji,
Exactly my point!
The Singing Star had stopped giving playback to others and hence the song is even more special.

AMAR AKBAR ANTONY.
…. Humko tumse ho gaya hai pyar..
must be one of the very few songs ( or is it the only one?) where Lata is the voice of three heroines_ Parveen Babi,Neetu Singh, Shabana Azmi.

DIL DIYA DARD LIYA
Kya rang e Mehfil hai_ Lata on Waheeda Rehman/Shyama.
DOLI
Aaj main dekhoon jidhar jidhar_ Asha on Babita/ Nazima.

( I had posted a comment earlier. Seems to have disappeared. Hence the repetition.)

1279 DINESH KUMAR JAIN August 9, 2019 at 10:58 am

Thanks AK, Dr Shetty and Hans for taking the trouble of responding on my query.

I find, yet again, that brevity is not always a virtue. In this case, my two points of query, both single-worded, did cause some misunderstanding and confusion. Sorry about that.

Dr Shetty was right on the mark, though. My curiosity was pricked by discovering that the song, in a single voice, was picturised on two different actors in the same song-sequence, and the song had actually been sung by one of the two.

Your knowledgeable comments do confirm to me that this remains a unique song in that sense in the annals of Bollywood Hindi songs.

“Why” has elicited conjectural responses. On seeing the video, I am myself inclined to go along with the possibility that maybe the song was first recorded in Suraiyya’s voice to be picturised on her, later the plan changed to picturise it on Nimmi’s character, Suraiyya would have protested against that in a film which was her own swan song (was Rustam Sohrab released later?), and therefore a compromise was reached in which some footage of the song was also picturised on Suraiyya which clearly looks as irrelevantly inserted. Btw, none of you need agree with my own conjecture.

Just as, in my opinion – and this will provoke our good host AK – this is one of Suraiyya’s best songs, almost Lataesque! I had to check the label to be sure that it was not sung by Lata, but by Suraiyya (admittedly, my ear for musical notes and voices is rather deficient). I may also say, in this context, that I was never a fan of Suraiyya’s singing or voice, especially in her earlier, and, paradoxically more popular, years, but I have long liked this song in particular.

1280 Hans August 9, 2019 at 12:30 pm

Dr Shetty
I have a commoner’s explanation for disappearance of the comments. Bechare word press wale kafi kaam karte hain, to kabhi kabhi bhookh lagne par ekadh comment kha lete hain. Sometimes we post and that does not appear, but when we post another, then both appear. Iske baare men meri raay ye hai ki shayad unhen us comment ka swad achha nahi laga hoga to ulti kar dee. 😉

I think there are many songs in which a singer has given playback for multiple actors. It is a very old trend, film walas continue to experiment. In the 1945 film Zeenat, in the qawwali ‘aahen na bhari shikwe na kiye’ there are three singers listed, but I counted 9 faces who were lip-syncing in the song. I am giving the link, so try to count yourself, you may find more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZRF0S-ahEo

1281 ksbhatia August 9, 2019 at 1:33 pm

Hans ji;

I entirely agree with you and Dr, Shetty also. Big Directors making mistakes and Artistes not pointing to their mistakes !! In Mehboob Khans Mother India song….Dukh bhare din beeto re bhaiya…Nargis singing Shamshad and Asha wordings / lines , Raj Kumar and Rajendra Kumar singing Manna Dey and Rafi wordings / lines . Similarly Helen and Cuckoo both jumble up Lata and Geeta dutt wordings in Yahudi song ….Bechain nazar khoyee si nazar .

Bechain Dil Khoyee Si Nazar ….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI4xJCZ07zI

Dukh Bhare Din Beete Re…..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvaqrhWuKss

1282 DINESH KUMAR JAIN August 9, 2019 at 2:48 pm

Okay, I have just seen Shama, and I admit I was completely wrong. There was a very good reason why Suraiya has sung the song for both. They both love the hero (‘Parwana’), bur Nimmi (Shama), who works for the hero’s family, was just sent to Suraiya (Roshan) to convey the hero’s love message. The irony of the situation is depicted in both girls singing the same song in the same voice!

1283 Hans August 9, 2019 at 4:51 pm

Bhatiaji
In my view these were not mistakes but deliberate variations as part of MDs experimentation. Dukh bhare din type of combination is rare occurrence but ‘bechain dil khoyi si nazar’ type of exchange between singers and actors was done in many songs. One of them is linked here ‘daadi amma dadi amma’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDwhUEYezig

1284 Hans August 13, 2019 at 8:53 pm

Dinesh
Your description of Shama means you have not seen the whole film, but only rushes of some area of the film. After you see the film, you will understand that the song was only composed as a solo for Suraiyya, but later also picturised on Nimmi, which looks unnatural. After you have seen the film and have any doubts about this, mention this and I would explain my reason.

If your liking for the songs or the singers depends on whether they are Lataesque or Kishoresque, then there is hardly any surprise at your unusual likings. 🙂

1285 Dinesh K Jain August 15, 2019 at 1:15 pm

My dear Hans, on the occasions we have met, and these were all pleasant, I did not get the impression that you are given to jumping to unwarranted concusions and inferences. Such as in this case, again.

No, sir; I saw the whole film, and I have to say I fail to see altogether your point that the song looks as if Nimmi in the song was an afterthought addition. You may be right, but the song’s picturisation has no such tell-tale clues. And if it has, you would have to be more perceptive than me, for I perceived none of that.

Also, about my preferance for songs and singers, again you have drawn inferences which were not warranted by my previous observations, unless your superperception transcends beyond reality.

1286 Hans August 17, 2019 at 9:41 pm

Dinesh
You are right. Our meetings were pleasant and on my part it is still pleasant. If anything from me has made you feel bitter, I am ready to take back and unsay all that. On my part, respect for you has only increased after those meetings, because you did not talk much there, so there was no basis for me to make my conclusions. Later I saw that most of your comments were to the point and also frank. As I myself, am very frank, I like frank people. But, sometimes though we are frank, yet we do not like others’ frankness if it works against our desires. I have interacted with a few people with whom my initial interaction was not too pleasant, but later we developed great relationship. I hope for the best in our case too.

Now about my comment which you say is unwarranted conclusion. I had clearly mentioned your ‘description of Shama’, about which you said she was working for the hero’s family. Shama or Nimmi was a cousin of the hero who had become orphaned and was taken into the family. She at all places refers to the hero’s father as khalujaan and mother as khalajaan. Her whole demeanour and her interactions with hero are on equal terms and she has a sprawling and well furnished bedroom for herself where she keeps the picture of the hero. On the other hand there is an elderly woman whom Shama calls bua who is a servant in the family and her whole demeanour is that of a servant throughout the film. When heroes father talks about Shama, he calls her their ‘door ki rishtedar’ and heroes mother clearly says she is her ‘bhanji’, when they are worrying about her marriage.

Shama is not sent to convey love message, but she herself offers to go and the hero is grateful to her. When she goes to Suraiyya, she is asked ‘aap unki kaun lagti hain’ at which she says ‘aap yun samajh lijiye wo mere malik hain’. If you have seen the whole film, and have concluded from this one dialogue -which is in itself ambiguous, because girls call those whom they consider theirs as ‘malik’ – that she was working for the family and ignored all which is clear from my description in the above para, then it is for you to consider whether your conclusion is the right one or not. I have made it amply clear that my conclusion was not unwarranted and I had my reasons to arrive at it and there was no jumping to conclusion on my part. You are still free to persist with your conclusion that Shama was working for the family, but no one who has seen the film is likely to agree with you.

About the song’s picturisation, I mentioned my reasons in 1276 that the film’s end was changed and I mentioned a couple of films whose ends were changed. I have even seen film Aah with the end in which Raj Kapoor dies of TB and Nargis marries Pran, in Moti cinema Chandani Chowk. This end was changed when cure for TB became possible. In Shama also in the end drama Nimmi takes poison and later is shown as survived because she was not given poison but sleep drug by Tun Tun, as if she was a doctor by profession who knew all the drugs. I think in the original film Shama was to die and the hero and Suraiyya were to live happily for ever. I have a feeling that the part in which Nimmi is shown writing lyrics was also added later to show her greatness. In this version Suraiyya’s ghazal is shown to be written by Nimmi. Then who wrote her other two songs. Suraiyya is shown in the film to attend mushairas regularly and take notes. Suraiyya is also shown to exchange her own shers with the hero in the first night. All this shows she was also a shaiyara. The song starts when the hero sits on the armchair and closed his eyes and visualizes Suraiyya singing the nazm which Suraiyya gave him or recited to him( this is not clear because either some portion of the film here have been lost or deliberately deleted when end was changed). At the end of the song the hero tells Nimmi that he saw in his imagination that Roshan (Suraiyya) was here and was singing her nazm to him. When they changed the film perhaps they forgot to change this dialogue. Now when the hero is seeing Suraiyya in his imagination, how come Nimmi is shown singing the song. Also in the same film there is a song ‘dil gaya to gaya dilruba mil gaya’ which was sung by Suman and Shamshad. This song is sung in the neighbourhood in Shamshad’s voice and Nimmi starts singing it in Suman’s voice at her home. If the original plan was to take it on Nimmi then it could have been a duet. But this being a badly delayed film the song had already been issued as a solo by Suraiyya, and the duet could not be explained away. In my opinion, this picturisation was a fraud played on Suraiyya, who had always resisted either to sing for others or to let others sing for her.

You say my inferences about your preferences for songs and singers are based on my super-perception and not your previous observations. There is a long list of your observations about singers like Saigal, Noor Zehan, Suraiyya, Rafi, Mahendra Kapoor, Mukesh etc. and a number of songs have been similarly commented on by you. Look at your last para in comment 1278, where you express a fear that your upcoming comments about Suraiyya would provoke AK. This only means that you are well aware that you are so regular in making such comments that AK usually objects. In the same para while describing the singing of Suraiyya, you say that the popularity of Suraiyya was paradoxical. By saying this you insult the intelligence of the people who made her the best paid star of her times, so much so that she got 5 times the remuneration of the best paid male star of the times, Dilip Kumar. She was not only getting 5 times but was doing on an average half a dozen films in a year as against 1 or 2 by Dilip Kumar. All this made the whole of the bollywood her enemy through the gate of ENVY. When you make this comment you suggest that your sole opinion is better than lakhs and lakhs of people who made her the most popular star of all times.

In the end I would say that whatever I said was followed by a smiley and that was just said in good humour. But, here I unequivocally withdraw what I said in response to you even in good humour here or elsewhere. I shall be careful when I respond to you in future.

1287 ksbhatia August 20, 2019 at 12:24 am

Sad to know the demise of Khayyam , Music Director whose music and songs lived in our heart since ages. One of the most gentle and soft spoken person in music world …is no more…is unbelievable . May his soul rest in Peace .

…..khel kaisa jo pehlu mein tu hi nahin….remembering these lines from one of his best compositions….

Shaam-e Gham Ki Qasam Aaj – Footpath…..Talat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zgla37GgYWM

1288 AK August 20, 2019 at 9:58 am

RIP Khayyam. A most respected music director who gave outstanding music late after the Golden Era, when his stalwart peers had started faltering.

1289 Dr Pradeep Kumar Shetty August 20, 2019 at 12:07 pm

Khayyam Saab’s departure reminds me that Anandji( of KA) and Pyarelal ( of LP) are the last of the stalwart composers from the Golden Era of Hindi film music alive.
Minimal orchestra, stress upon melody and lyrics were the hallmarks of Khayyam’s music.
I have read about Khayyam_ Jagjit Kaur’s charity .They did it silently,not hankering for publicity.
Rest in peace!

1290 Dr Pradeep Kumar Shetty August 20, 2019 at 12:12 pm

I think Khayyam was the first to use Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan for a Hindi movie,in NAKHUDA,1981…
Haq Ali ,Ali Maula Ali… with his nephew Mujahad Ali.
It is widely believed that BANDIT QUEEN that came much later, 1996, was his first Hindi movie.

1291 arvind August 20, 2019 at 3:03 pm

RIP Khayyam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ele3pNFcv_Y
( Kabhi kisi ko muqammal jehan nahin milta/Ahista Ahista ( AA)/Bhupinder/Nida Fazli/1981.
AA was the hindi version of Gejje Pooje- (Anklet/Ghungroo worship)-a kannada movie based on the novel- of the same name- by M K Indira.The story is woven around the devdasi tradition.

1292 AK August 20, 2019 at 3:11 pm

Arvind,
Thanks a lot for adding the song from Ahista Ahista. This is a corroboration that Khayyam continued to give great music well past the Golden Era. And also thanks for the additional information about its connection to the Kannada movie and the novel.

1293 arvind August 20, 2019 at 4:17 pm

An NFS composed by Khayyam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhdJkguRiKo&list=PLb5QLyw2BoFkHMbNHofN4FEqv7OizR1Bc&index=11
Tum Aao Rumjhum Karti/Md. Rafi/Madhukar Rajasthani/1960.

1294 Giri August 20, 2019 at 9:16 pm

RIP Qayyam Saheb, a fine music director.
Here is his interview which was aired on RSTV:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_8oxJf9m1UY

1295 Hans August 21, 2019 at 12:11 am

Khayyam was one of those greats who could not attain that greatness which is recognised as greatness by common people. Arvind has reminded us of his contribution to NFS. None of the MDs has that repertoire of NFS as Khayyam had. In films, for me, the best would always be Shagoon.

A great song from that film. ‘Tum chali jaogi parchhaiyan rah jayengi’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqteZ_MV92Q

1296 mumbaikar8 August 21, 2019 at 6:27 am

Rip Khayyam. He seemed to be a very humble person always grateful despite being one of the most underrated MDs.
His songs were like a breath of fresh air in 80s.

1297 Giri August 21, 2019 at 8:51 pm

Arvind@1290
Thanks for the information on Ahista Ahista. I didn’t know that it was a remake of Gejje Pooje.
Here is another beautiful number from the same film, sung by
Sulochana Pandit:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UvFihtP6440

1298 ksbhatia August 22, 2019 at 12:49 am

AK ji;

The song I usually listen to in continuation to Umrao Jaan songs…..

Ae Dil E Nadaan-Lata Mangeshkar….Razia Sultan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJRIAKQhaYA

1299 AK August 22, 2019 at 8:33 am

KS Bhatiaji,
Ae dil-e-naadan is a beautiful song. But generally people think of Pakeezah in continuation of Umrao Jaan.

1300 Giri August 22, 2019 at 12:12 pm

Sorry. The link given in 1296 above Is is wrong. Correct link is:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nJS9YHBdb-8

1301 R Vasudevan August 22, 2019 at 7:01 pm

With the passing away of Khayyam the last pillar of the Golden Era face has fallen. He was more of melody composer of music than a music director. Even with less orchestration he was able to give us great songs
which have stood the test of time and has remained evergreen.

The trade mark of his background music in the songs he composed
are the lovely piano touch, the gentle brush of guitar though occasionally, the reverberating flute sound, pleasing strings of violins and the soothing musical note of santhoor.

His songs will always linger in our ears

1302 atina August 23, 2019 at 6:09 pm

RIP Khayyam.
Alvida jaan e wafa tera nigehbaan Khuda :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FW2lPvzE-w
Lala Rookh/Khayyam/Asha Bhosle/Kaifi Azmi/1958.

1303 j s pande August 24, 2019 at 12:05 am

Have just discovered this forum. Maybe this has been discussed before but
Ae gham e dil kya karoon ,the Nazm by Majaz Lakhnavi was sung in part by Talat Mahmood in a 1953 film and a song with the same refrain sung by Asha Bhonsle in the same film.
Try as I might, I cannot find the verses sung by Asha Bhonsle in any collection of Majaz.
Could somebody kindly throw light on this?

1304 AK August 24, 2019 at 10:00 am

JS Pande,
Welcome to SoY. Asha Bhosle verses are widely available on the net. Google ‘Lyrics of Ae gham-e-dil kya karun Asha Bhosle’.

1305 Gaddeswarup August 25, 2019 at 3:30 am
1306 AK August 25, 2019 at 7:24 am

Gaddeswarupji,
The cultural aspects of tawaifs is well-known to most readers here, but it is still a great pleasure to read a well written article. Thanks for sharing it.

1307 arvind September 5, 2019 at 7:51 pm

Sharing a Mukesh song from the movie Anndata /1972 on Salil Chowdhury’s death anniversary (5 Sept.).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bblHYBckf8g

1308 arvind September 5, 2019 at 8:05 pm

@1306
Nain hamare dekhen laakhon sapne/Annadata/Mukesh/Salil Chowdhury/Yogesh/1972.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bblHYBckf8g

1309 Hans September 6, 2019 at 10:19 am

JS Pande @ 1302
This Asha Bhosle version had only the mukhda from Majaz. The antaras were written by a lesser known lyricist Harsh Tandon, who wrote two more songs in the same film Thokar, music for which was composed by Sardar Malik. In fact, he was the only one lyricist who wrote 3 songs in the film which had 7 lyricists for 9 songs. The remaining lyricists – including Majaz – had one song each.

1310 ksbhatia September 16, 2019 at 12:06 am

Happy Engineer’s Day to all the fellow Engineer’s who worked hard in shaping this country to be counted presently as most progressive country.

Here is a song of 1959 filmed on actual Dam site location in Andhra Pradesh . The construction of Mighty…..Nagarjun Sagar Dam …..was being built and a number of Heavy Machines were employed for faster and early completion . In its upstream another Big Dam …..Srisailam Dam….was built . With these dams the Irrigation, Flood control and Power productions met the requirements as planned .

ye chanda roos ka na ye japan ka..Rafi_Shailendra_S D Burman

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsOukg8xMWM

1311 arvind September 26, 2019 at 9:48 pm

On the death anniversary (Sept.26 ) of Hemanta Kumar sharing the “Door Ka Rahi’ song:
‘Chalti Chale Jaaye Zindagi ki Dagar’.
Shailendra penned the song and Hemanta Kumar sang it under the baton of Kishore Kumar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-PRs50lQ2E

1312 N Venkataraman September 27, 2019 at 12:01 am

Arvindji @ 1310
Thank you for posting this song. Joining you in paying tributes to Hemant Kumar on his death anniversary.

1313 Gaddeswarup September 27, 2019 at 10:48 am

Babul ka ghar : the continuing allure of Hindi film songs. Though I come from a place where backyards are used to grow vegetables rather than lawns, now we are used to having lawns. Today one of the daughter is coming home again, she enjoys sitting in the garden, and so I had to mow it.
https://share.icloud.com/photos/0-8Ag2zUO9JNDkO6qxKhePTSQ#Glen_Waverley,_VIC

1314 Gaddeswarup September 27, 2019 at 11:23 am

ksbhatia at 1309. This is new to me. Thanks. I think this also started the boom of Andhra construction mafia who now dominate the construction industry. But I remember those days and when Nehru came to one of the ceremonies, there was a famous photograph of him with a labourer who said the rehearsed but appealing phrase ‘This is the lamp which you lighted’.i shared the video on Facebook.

1315 ksbhatia September 27, 2019 at 1:47 pm

Gaddeswarup @ 1313;

Yes, you are perfectly right . When Bhakra Dam was nearing completion work of designs and construction of Nagarjuna sagar Dam was also geared up. Being a big project its designs were carried out by central and state govts. Nehru had a great ambitions to push forward developments thru big hydroelectric projects . I feel proud to have been associated with the designing of upstream hydro dam….Srisailam …during mid 70s . Its a great feeling to see it performing to its full capacity. Many visuals are available on YT to enjoy its view when full gates are open .

1316 ksbhatia September 27, 2019 at 1:52 pm

….in continuation , here is one song that was filmed on location of reservoir formed by Nagarjuna Sagar Dam .

Aaja Aai Bahar Dil Hai Bekarar’ Full 4K Video Song – Sadhana | Lata Mangeshkar | Rajkumar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7-d-7EWMHU

1317 Giri September 27, 2019 at 7:39 pm

Bhatia ji,
The location in the song Aaja aayi bahar, I don’t think, is Nagarjuna Sagar dam. It is a place called Kodiveri near the town Gopichetty Palayam in Tamil Nadu. The producer of the movie (G.N.Velumani) hailed from Gopichetty Palayam and he has produced a number of Tamil movies with big stars.
I have seen this place quite a few years back. Now it has been developed into a tourist spot, as can be seen in this video:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YwfOeTw7TPs

1318 ksbhatia September 27, 2019 at 10:49 pm

Giri ji;

Kodiviri Dam is too small a dam where a number of falls [ in the form of Weir ] were made to dissipate the energy and control the discharges downstream of the dam . Between a number of weirs ponds gets created and so also the tourist spots.

Such falls were created downstream of Nagarjun sagar dam also ……where shallow depths ponds gets created due to presence of weir . The tail pond between Srisailam and Nagajuna Sagar Dams are utilised to pump back water on upstream of Srisailam Dam so that more water gets used as recycled for Power generation at Srisailam Power house. During winter or non monsoon season limited water are released thru irrigation sluices to maintain tail water levels for various purposes including tourism.

My team of engineers used the same bamboo circular and square jetties [ as shown in the song ] for inspection of downstream works of these dams . The dancers in one scene are shown standing on the crest of the small weir where small fall gets created. I must mention here that both the dams [ Nagarjun and Srisailam ] are biggest major dams of India and are counted among top 25 dams of the world. To show its magnitude here is one clip from a news channel which shows water being released thru mega gates of both the dams.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev_IqFez3pY

1319 R Vasudevan October 2, 2019 at 8:44 am

I grew up in Delhi and lived for nearly 14 yrs then I came to South.
I visit Delhi infrequently. If any one of our blog members are living
in Delhi or had left recently may please information on my following two questions.

1, Theatres like Race Course cinema, Sudarshan, Delite, Golcha, Amba,
Sheila, Rivoli, one in RK Puram still exist? In my younger days many films I have watched in them.
2 Is the area Kidwai Nagar merged with any neighbourhood?

1320 arvind October 30, 2019 at 11:02 pm

On V.Shantaram’s death anniversary (30 October ) sharing “çhanda ki chhaon mein thandi thandi hawaaon mein o koyi ga raha” a song from “Parchhain” a movie he directed.
Shantaram’s movies invariably had great musical score.
C Ramchandra/NoorLucknavi/LM/1952.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNBbw_HzMQQ&list=PL0N5Xw9ii8–xdaYyWhIDW0D7rDd_b_BG&index=7

1321 N Venkataraman October 31, 2019 at 11:33 pm

Arvindji,
My belated tributes V Shantaram on his 29th death anniversary.
Thanks for posting the nice song, “çhanda ki chhaon mein thandi thandi hawaaon mein o koyi ga raha”.

1322 R Vasudevan November 2, 2019 at 7:00 pm

This is addressed to the Moderator of this blog.

There are some blogs listed in the Links which are either no longer
existing or moved away with a different name. I request these links are taken out.

1323 Hans November 4, 2019 at 3:58 pm

Vasudevanji @ 1318
I am not in Delhi, but I go there occasionally. Regarding cinema halls, Golcha and Delite are still functional, but the old glory is gone. I saw them in March this year when I went to the Sunday Footpath Book Bazaar which used to be in Darya Ganj, but which has now moved towards Delite Cinema. Rivoli is also there. The Sangam theatre in RK Puram is also like old. About others I dont know.

About Kidwai Nagar, the West Kidwai Nagar is the same as old, But East Kidwai Nagar has changed. The grounds opposite AIIMS (North side) where children used to play various games have been taken up mostly in the renovation of the AIIMS crossing on Ring Road which is now Red Light free. A big multi-storey complex has been erected next to INA market towards AIIMS. The govt school in East Kidwai Nagar has perhaps been taken up in this project, though I am not sure because I saw the area from a moving car.

In West Kidwai Nagar DII flats there lived my boss J Srinivasan who was from Tamil Nadu and I had visited his house once. I dont know whether you know him or not. He lived there perhaps upto 1980 or 81, when he retired.

1324 ksbhatia November 4, 2019 at 9:45 pm

R Vasudevan ji, Hans ji;

I have spent my life in Delhi since childhood till 2002 ….. practically 56 years …..when I moved to Gurugaon just prior to my retirement . But still visit my old places of interests as occasion arises.

Most of the time we lived around CP, GPO and later on to South delhi….green park, vasant vihar and my own college days at IIT , Hauz Khas ……from where I used to go to Sudershan talkies with my friends. Markets of Sarojini Nagar , kidwai Nagar and South Extension were frequently visited . So also Sangam, Chanakya , Regal , Plaza, Rivoli and Odeon. Well most of these cinemas have now been renovated and converted into Multiplex Theaters…… but for Regal who has been turned into Wax Museum with poor to average foot fall. Race course and Stadium cinema were worth watch in mid 50s thru 60s. They too have vanished with rapid modernization.

With all multiplexes looking alike in interiors …..my heart still crave for old setup cinemas to enjoy old movies in old charm. Three years back I visited Mussoorie ….a hill station 36km uphill of dehradoon ….. for vacation with my grandchildren . There too the old charms of Rivoli and Regal cinemas have vanished. These were the theaters where I saw Aaram, Deedar in 1952/53 .

Yes those were the days my friend…..days of Francise like crooners singing at Volga, Yorks and Gaylord Restaurants of CP …..right at the centre of downtown of New Delhi of those times.

Mr. Hans ….. I have met him on quite occasions ….and on our first meet he could easily recognize me as he and my elder brother were fast friends….and common link was music and movies . Mr. Vasudevan , whenever you are visiting delhi , feel free to contact me . We two can share our past thru bygone memories .

Since SDB is a theme going on in parallel….here is one song from Jaal ….which again is one of my favorite…..and conveys meeting as well.

चोरी चोरी मेरी गली आना है बुरा..Lata_Sahir_S D Burman

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6rwcCUlmDs

1325 Gaddeswarup November 5, 2019 at 3:04 am
1326 N Venkataraman November 5, 2019 at 8:12 pm

Gaddeswarupji @1324
“Melancholy is the only muse.”
There is a power in sadness too. More than happiness, moments of sadness seem to unearth poignant thoughts, words and ideas.
Thanks for sharing the article.
PS: During my 20s, I stayed alone for 9 years. During this period songs of Mukesh were my best companion. Posting one such song,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=306&v=soyWYejOQyg

1327 Shachindra Prasad November 9, 2019 at 6:40 pm

N Venkatramanji,
About a fortnight back you mentioned about organising a programme in remembrance of Hemant Kumar by your locality club in Kolkata. May I request you to to please hive some highlights. How did it go?

1328 Hans November 9, 2019 at 9:17 pm

Bhatiaji
Your comments got me into the jungle of memories when we used to seek opportunities to watch movies. What we have gone through, many or friends here may not have done. I lived in a small town in my film crazy days. Initially there was no cinema hall there. But, there used to be a touring talkies, running in a tent with a white cloth screen fixed with ropes. The screen used to flutter when there was strong wind. Though the structure was temporary, but they used to show the best hits. Later, a hall was constructed. Besides this, there were towns nearby. I had also seen a film in those days in Gurgaon, where you live now, when we went to play a match there.

We had a poultry farm, and I used to visit Delhi for selling the goods. As the market was near Jama Masjid, I used to see cinema in the nearby halls. Moti, Kumar, Jubilee, Majestic, Jagat, Minerva, Ritz were the halls in that area where I saw films. Later when I got a job in Delhi I saw films in many more halls.

Some memories linger of unusual events. I had narrated watching Bobby when we went to play a match at Rohtak. Near that time Sholay also came. I had seen the film when there was lesser rush. But, later other friends took me to see it again. We were 4 and it was hell of a crowd and I was entrusted the job of getting tickets. Those who go to halls after getting advance booking, dont know the rigours of small towns where there were no advance bookings in those days. There were no lines. Five to six hands entered the window simultaneously. The best chance to get your hand in was when a person got the ticket and was taking the hand out, with which 2-3 hands would always come out. You have to present the exact amount and tickets had to be limited to fingers on your hands, because voice was not likely to reach there. In such situations, I used to get the tickets in 10-15 minutes.

Another experience I had was when I went to see a film with my cousin who lived in Shahdara, Delhi. There was a hall named Swarn, which showed mostly block busters. There after first struggling with tickets, you had to struggle in getting in the hall. This was because most of the seats in the hall were broken. The rush was there to get the seats which were intact.

1329 arvind November 10, 2019 at 9:38 pm

Recalling Farooq Kaiser’s romantic duet, “agar main poochhoon jawab doge” from the movie Shikari (1963), on his death anniversary (10 Nov.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bz0ilF7wvY&list=PLiuSTvZhQvLThHr3SMED06yU3rjYeOGoz&index=2
G.S.Kohli -MD/LM-Rafi.

1330 R Vasudevan November 19, 2019 at 9:13 am

Ref 1323
Mr Bhatiaji I will in touch with you thro SOY as I am planning to visit Delhi next year. Delhi today is pale shadow of its glorious past.

1331 N Venkataraman November 23, 2019 at 12:00 am

Sachindra Prasad @ 1326,
Sorry for not getting back to you sooner. . I failed to notice it in the heap of regular comments.

It was a two hour programme, celebrating Hemanta Mukherjee’s (Hemant Kumar) centenary ,held in an auditorium in our neighborhood on 1st November 2019. Actually the programme was organized by’ Dakshiner Batayan’, an organization run by the better halves of the male members of our club. Since my wife was in charge of the script and music, I had to play a supportive role in the preparation of the script. The programme was in the ‘Baithaki’ format, like an informal chat session, though scripted and rehearsed, interspersed with songs. In all a dozen songs (Hindi film songs, Bengali film songs and NFSs rendered/ composed by Hemanta Mukherejee) were selected and rehearsed for two and a half months and the musicians joined the rehearsals for the last two weeks. There was a background screen showing images and videos related to the discussion/theme. There were video clippings of four more songs shown on the background screen, thus making it in all 16 songs. The programme was well attended. We will be staging the programme again in a different location, with few changes, sometime in March next year.

And thanks a lot for the interest expressed

1332 arvind November 23, 2019 at 10:22 pm

On her B’day (23 Nov.) sharing a Geeta Dutt song from the movie Anubhav .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6FkVPOMtvM
(Meri Jaan Mujhe Jaan Na Kaho Meri Jaan)
Gulzar/Kanu Roy/1971.

1333 N Venkataraman November 23, 2019 at 11:50 pm

Thanks for posting this lovely song which was from her last film. My tributes to Geeta Dutt on her 89th birth anniversary.

1334 arvind November 24, 2019 at 11:32 am

Recalling:
“Do chamakti aankhon mein”
( Geeta Dutt/Detective/Mukul Roy/Shailendra/1958)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UPdS0k_Vj4

1335 Gaddeswarup November 26, 2019 at 1:19 pm

This book seems available for free download at some places https://www.amazon.com/Harmonium-North-Indian-Music/dp/8178223090

1336 N Venkataraman November 26, 2019 at 1:50 pm

@1334
Thanks Gaddeswarupji for the information.

1337 Gaddeswarup November 26, 2019 at 4:19 pm

Short descriptions are also available at various places https://science.sciencemag.org/content/366/6468/eaax0868

1338 Shalan Lal November 26, 2019 at 5:09 pm

R.Vasidevan @ 1329

Just curios Mr Vasudevan !

Which period of Delhi are you talking about when you say “Delhi today is pale shadow of its glorious past.”?

Shalan Lal

1339 AK November 26, 2019 at 9:04 pm

Gaddeswarupji,
Thanks for the link of ‘The Harmonium in North Indian Music’. I was able to download it by signing up. However the article in the Sciencemag is too technical for general reader.

1340 Gaddeswarup November 27, 2019 at 3:03 am

A brief note on the second paper here https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-03567-4

1341 R Vasudevan November 27, 2019 at 5:33 pm

Today’s Delhi.
Pollution, heavy traffic crime rate increase etc.
Though these condition exist in most of our cities around the country
but the first one is going up . My relative living in Delhi for 40 yrs also say that Delhi today is not what it was a decade back. I visited about 8 yrs back.

1342 Rahul Bhagwanrao Muli November 28, 2019 at 11:03 pm

AKji
I have tried to post a comment on your article on Lata- Ravi songs. But somehow I find that it is not getting published. Is the problem with my network or something else?

1343 AK November 29, 2019 at 6:09 am

Rahul Bhagwanrao Muli,
Thanks a lot for your appreciation. Finally you were able to post your comments? That must be a temporary problem.

1344 Rahul Bhagwanrao Muli December 7, 2019 at 6:44 pm

Akji
I am one of the late entrants to SOY. As a result I had missed out on large number of outstanding articles. Now whenever I find sufficient spare time I use to read them along with erudite comments of so many veterans of SOY .
I was reading today your beautiful article on Jaidevji
& Comments thereon
After going through 20 odd comments I found that I was in fact searching for a song which was not in your list nor was it mentioned in these comments.Thats when I decided to post these thoughts but before that I wanted to confirm that the song was not mentioned in any of the 114 comments. It might look rather weird but my heart sank when I read Shaliniji’s comment mentioning Usha Mangeshkar’s song from Sapna. I thought once Sapna gets mentioned it is not long before this gem from Sapna gets mentioned too. But it was not. I double checked it.
This then is the song from Sapna
Jane kitni bar Hrudaya se
The credits show V N Mangal as the lyricist of the song. Myswar also credits him as the producer & writer of this film We do not know whether he wrote songs for any other film.
What is also unique about the song is the use of the word निठुर. I cannot recall any other song using this term ( may be equivalent to Bedardi)
This song is perfect example of ” gentle, soothing quality like a cool breeze” as commented by Subodhji.
Finally I may be pardoned if anybody has mentioned the song but I failed to notice it despite double checking.

1345 Rahul Bhagwanrao Muli December 7, 2019 at 6:52 pm

This is the link
https://youtu.be/WtaZg9mt8d4

1346 AK December 7, 2019 at 10:10 pm

Rahul Bhagwanrao Muli,
I am happy you are going through old articles. It is prudent to go through the old articles one by one backwards by clicking the link given at the bottom. The link you have given has been already approved from the YouTube. Here is another link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtAZg9mt8d4

निठुर is a very nice word. Off hand I don’t remember a song which has used this word, though it is used in many bandishes in classical and light classical genre. Here is a mesmerising rendering by Pt Bhimsen Joshi of a Thumri in Raga Mishra Kafi. निठुर comes at 3.40 onwards.

Ab piya to maanat naahin by Pt. Bhimsen Joshi

1347 Shachindra Prasad December 11, 2019 at 12:00 am

Raul Bhagwanrao Mulijee,
“Jaane kitna baat hriday se’ is a very soothing and melodious song. The listener gets a feel of the depth and height of Jaydev’s talent. Thank you for this song.

1348 Shalan Lal December 11, 2019 at 3:32 pm

Happy Birth Day Dilip Kumar

Born on 11th December 1922, Dilip K will be now 98 years old-a very long life indeed! In Hollywood the comedian and actor Bob Hope lived 102 years and Kirk Douglas is still alive at the age of 105. People who cross the hundred years are called centenareanes So with all the faults of the sin-sin-city of the “Fillum Industries” an actor can live very long. All round Applauses for Dilip Kumar!

Here I remember about him of the forties as an upcoming actor, very briefly as this is not a right place to go about widely and wildly.

Yusuf Khan, a son of Bombay Fruiterer in the Crawford Market was renamed as Dilip Kumar by Devika Rani who briefly gallivanted with a Muslim actor and caused the death of her husband and bedlam in her kingdom of “the Bombay Talkies”. She was the Chief of the Bombay Talkies in its last days. She handed him her rare book about how to act. That was on the “Method Acting”. She did not need it. Soon she was going to take “Film-Sanyas” saying good bye to the goodies and baddies of the tinsel-world and free to gad about with a Russian visual artist.

Dilip Kumar got an immediate chance to act in a film called “Jwar Bhata” 1944 produced by the Bombay Talkies as the second hero. First being Agha Jaani. Later in the fifties Agha did small comic roles. But his small role in the film “Daag” of which Dilip Kumar was the hero, became very famous.

The music of “Jwar Bhata” was scored by the laudable Mr Anil Biswas, Lyrics by Pundit Narendra Sharma and sung by Arun Kumar

Before joining the thick Bombay “fillum-wood” Narendra Sharma was a very good poet in Hindi. A suitable subject for Mr. “Rangan” the master Post- blaster to explore!

Today we have very little information about the film “Jwar Bhata” but it was launched simultaneously in the North and South Indian big cities.

We still hear the song “ Sanjh Ki Bela – साँझ की बेला “ occasionally on the late night Indian Radio stations.

The film “Jwar Bhata” had a Tagorean touch of the story called “Nauka Dubi”. Later in his third film DK had opportunity to act in “Milan” 1946 the Hindi version of the story of “Nauka Dubi”.

His 1947 film “Jugnu” became very famous because of Noor Jehan as the heroine and a good singer of the songs. The film was made by the all Muslim giants of artists in all areas of the film making as a parting souvenir to all Indians, on their way to the new “Pure country” called “Pakistan”!

It is strange even all Muslims artists made this film; the film and the ambiance were based on a story of the Hindu characters one and all!

Dilip had a chance to act in a duet with Noor Jehan “Yahan Badala Wafa Ka Bewafai” in the voice of Rafi and the song and the film became very famous and Dilip Kumar got the status of Box Office success.

In this film Dilip Kumar had a chance to use what was in the book of Method Acting.

Since then Dilip did not look back; films after films he became matinee idol and an imposing ace at the Box office. Dilip K arrived in the Bombay filmdom.

About the method acting and the songs Dilip acted I have got a post but at present there is a great gridlock on the main super highway of the “Songs of Yore”. Let us hope it will be all cleared through to the end of the Year 2020 and we may get a clear 20-20 vision.

Once I met the great thespian or rather he met me in the early sixties in London when there were not many sub-continental people to crowd over him. More about it if I get done the said post!

Happy Birth Day Dilip or shall I say D’lip as Nargis addressed him in the film “Andaz” 1949, D’lip the Master of dialogues-baazi, acting and the acting of the songs! His daunting influence created many shadows like Rajendra Kumar, Dharmendra, Manoj Kumar, Amitabh Bacchan, Shahrukh Khan etc. Dilip Kumar could proudly have said “Hum Bhi Kya Humari Parchhayian Bhi Kaamyaab Hoti Jaati Hai- “हमारी परछाईयाँ’ भी चल रही है.” in the manner of the famous words of सज्जाद हुसेन!

During his halcyon days D’lip was the Marlon Brando of Bollywood. Marlon was a master par excellence of the method acting in Hollywood!

Shalan Lal

1349 N Venkataraman December 11, 2019 at 5:47 pm

Shalanji,
Joining you in wishing a very happy birthday to Dilip Kumar, also paying my tributes to the great actor who reached the pinnacle of stardom very early in his career.
During his days in Khalsa College in Bombay, where Raj Kapoor was also enrolled, Dilip Kumar’s first love was Soccer/Football. He aspired to become the country’s best soccer player. Every evening after college he used to go the grounds behind Metro cinema and play football with others. He was serious about pursuing a career in sports then, but destiny had something else in store for him.

1350 AK December 11, 2019 at 9:20 pm

Shalan Lal,
If the Trailer is any indication your main post on Dilip Kumar is going to be exhaustive as usual. Gridlock on SoY is only an evidence that a lot of things about old films and songs are vying for our attention at the same time, and that SoY is looked upon with respect by guest authors. Please work on your post, I will find a way to schedule it.

1351 Shalan Lal December 12, 2019 at 4:26 pm

N.Venkatraman @1348

Thanks for joining me in praise of Dilip Saab. His contribution to the Indian cinema and holding higher status in the public eye certainly is laudable.

I was not aware about his football playing or his enrolling at the Khalasa College nor that there was an open field behind Metro Cinema as I lived not far away from Metro Cinema. There was a part of the Oval ground on the north as the continuation of the Oval ground which was in front of the High court. Perhaps you mean that one.

About Raj Kapoor playing football may be true as he was a member of the Football club with a reserved seat in the Pavilion at Parel (a district area and a railway station called “Parel” in Bombay.

But my information about both the thespians was that they did not finish their school leaving examination and nor they met until in Bombay Talkies shooting of the film “Neel Kamal of which RK was a hero and Dilip Kumar was a reluctant assistant director under duress as Devika Rani told him that he must learn all aspects of the film making.

Thanks for your comment

Shalan Lal

1352 Shalan Lal December 12, 2019 at 4:40 pm

AK @ 1349

Thanks for your encouraging comment. I totally agree with your view that ” a lot of things about old films and songs are vying for our attention at the same time, and that SoY is looked upon with respect by guest authors. Please work on your post, I will find a way to schedule it”.

Well SoY is for old songs understanding, the songs from the past films and other genres of cultural heritage. So it should go on as long as people have something to say about the old songs. I like them. It enriches my knowledge and understanding of the songs.

My use of the word “gridlock” is in a jocund way. Please do not take it seriously.

Shalan Lal

1353 AK December 12, 2019 at 5:27 pm

Shalan Lal, Venkataramanji,
Dilip Kumar-Raj Kapoor: There are a good number of biographies of both widely available. I had read long ago Dilip Kumar’s ‘Definitive Biography’ by Bunny Reuben. I do not remember the details. But it should be easy to check the facts on which your accounts differ. My general understanding is that they/their families knew each other from their Peshawar days, and that Dilip Kumar was deeply interested in sports. Incidentally I happened to be present at one public function in which Dilip Kumar was felicitated, and as such I am witness to his oratorial skills in chaste Urdu.

1354 Shalan Lal December 13, 2019 at 6:10 pm

AK @ 1352

Thanks for the information about the biographies of the two thespians.
Bunny Ruben’s book is more reliable. His book on RK is in my collection.

If it is available in the British library I may go there.

It is not possible for me for the time being to visit India as I am on a long term engaged with certain commitments in London and cannot leave by base.

However I have got enough information on Dilip Kumar for my post. I do not want to go much in his private life as that is not much needed for the subject I am exploring.

Lord Desai, one time a popular rebel professor at the London School of Economics was knighted in eighties was very much fond of Hindi Film songs and actor Dilip Kumar. He wrote a book on Dilip Kumar but it was published only with the limited copies.

I may find it if it is donated to the University of London or in the library of LSE.

I shall look for it when I will visit central London.

Yes he was a good speaker in Urdu. He also had good knowledge of Marathi and other Indian languages.

He was an extremely gracious person according to the Biography of Leela Chitnis called “Chanderi Duniya.”

Shalan Lal

1355 ksbhatia December 14, 2019 at 12:48 am

Ms. Shalan Lal, AKji, Venkatraman ji @1347….onwards;

Dilip kumar….well the man who carried grace and goodness with ease ….to be showered by affections from all for his superlative performance and screen presence……a rare pearl for Bollywood of the 40s. I am anxiously waiting for his complete story and I am keeping my best designers envelop ready ….the story that will find its place in my chest of drawer after reading.

Dilip, Raj and Devanand have always been three great actors that were favorite of our Bhatia family. Everyone fighting to give ranking of their preferences….and now all grown up…. all agree to the generalized ranking .

As far as Method Acting is concerned I think it was Ashok Kumar who adopted this style right from the day one and carried right upto end .

Besides football, Dilip and Raj were very good in playing Cricket. quite a number of times they played for some cause . At one occasion they were captain of their respective teams that comprised of film artistes to attract audience for collections. Quite a number of clips are available on YT . Watching them playing is quite entertaining itself.

Now, my bests for Dilips films….Babul, Deedar, Mela, Udan Khatola , Amar ….and so on.

1356 AK December 14, 2019 at 10:53 am

KS Bhatiaji, Venkataramanji, Shalan Lal,
It was natural that any discussion on Dilip Kumar would veer towards Method acting. This itself is a vast subject, it is not a universally recognised Gold Standard of acting. I can see Method in Dilip Kumar’s four piano songs in Andaaz (1949) and the ultimate in Devdas (1955) in which he is not presenting the character, but is Devdas himself. I love him and admire him as an actor. But there is also a great deal of critique of the Method, not only for the psychological havoc it can cause to the actor (Dilip Kumar had mental breakdown, and as a therapy he was advised to play comedy roles), but it also hampers spontaneous acting. Hitchcock has said he faced difficulties with Montgomery Clift and Paul Newman because they were Method actors. Another critic has said, “Method actors give you a photograph while real actors give you an oil painting.” (Source: Wikipedia)

I would be interested to know if Jaya Bhaduri was a Method actor, or she might as well be as she went to FTII. But if she wasn’t then we are lucky that we could get Guddi and so many other roles without Method. And how about Motilal? And Ashok Kumar? But I must add here that every actor does ‘prepare’ for the role.

My purpose of joining in was to suggest to Shalan Lal, in case you eulogise Dilip Kumar for Method, you may also briefly touch upon its criticism.

1357 Rahul Bhagwanrao Muli December 14, 2019 at 11:30 am

There is no doubt about the greatness of “Thespian” Dilipsaab but sometimes one can feel that he was lucky to escape closer scrutiny of some of his work.
I remember here what Naseeruddin Shah had to say about Dev Anand . His exact words are
” He is a man whose name evokes a smile. I have been a great fan of his for decades and am not convinced about several others who are supposed to be great actors”
(The Navketan story Cinema Modern- Siddharth Bhatia)
One cannot miss the reference to several others in this context.
Though what Naseeruddin said is open for debate one has to still take a note of it.

1358 AK December 14, 2019 at 1:52 pm

‘Supposed to be great actors’: Is this a snide reference to the Thespian? I think not and hope not, because Nasiruddin Shah is supposed to be among several inspired by him.

1359 Shalan Lal December 14, 2019 at 4:33 pm

AK@1355

Your comment “My purpose of joining in was to suggest to Shalan Lal, in case you eulogise Dilip Kumar for Method, you may also briefly touch upon its criticism.”

This will be indeed addressed as one style takes us to other styles as well and without explaining them the style in question loses its colour and depth.

Your mention of Hitchcock is interesting. Hitchcock had his own agenda how he was going to make a film gripping for the audience.

Almost all actors male and female he used them for his purpose and they had to do exactly what he wanted to them do. His story and direction was very précised like a blue print of an engineer. His choice of the actors also was for what they had created in other films in the course of time. If he had chosen an actor who was a fresh one and amateur like Gregory Peck in his beginning career he would use it for his purpose and make his film more interesting.

Thanks also for “ksbhatia” for his brief “down the memory lane walk.

With reference about Mr. N. Shah who was and perhaps is a very good actor in the parallel films genre. His comments are interesting but they create some provocations. But that could be his aim. We must not get carried away by his needling in our arms.

I shall look into the so called acting or rather style of Dev Aanand. Whatever it was he gave tremendous pleasure to many through the decades of fifties until eighties. And I am one of them who liked him very much.

Today is the birth day of late Raj Kapoor if alive he would have been 95 years old. His acting also will be considered along with Ashok Kumar and other of the same period.

But I thank those who want to go about commenting Dilip K and other
as we should express ourselves about the “Life of Yore”.

Shalan Lal

1360 N Venkataraman December 18, 2019 at 5:31 pm

Shalanji @ 1350, AKji @1352, Bhatiaji @ 1354,

The information I shared was based on the autobiography that I read a couple of years ago. I went back to the library where I read the book. The name of the book was “Dillip Kumar- The Substance And The Shadow”, written by Udayatara Nayar. In the forward to the book Saira Banu wrote, I quote,
‘It is with feelings of excitement and joy that I pen this foreword to my husband’s autobiography, NARRATTED BY HIM, after years of persuasion by me, to my close friend Udayatara Nayar. It has always been an arduous task to prevail upon him, to talk about himself, his life and achievements. I understand it is neither proper nor right for me to extol the virtues of the book you are holding in your hands although I am tempted to do so, the primary reason being my widely known admiration for my husband and the ardent pride with which I always hung on to every word he has uttered to me or to anyone in my presence over the decades we have spent together as a couple. Such is the magic of his command over words and language, be it English or Urdu, and I have no doubt I am not alone when I say this.
……………………………………’

Udayatara Nayar wrote in her introduction to the book, I quote
‘I was helping Saira Banu rearrange the books on the bookshelf in her bedroom when Dilip Kumar picked up a book written by an author who claimed to have known him as no one else did. “This is supposed to be my biography and it is full of distortion and misinformation” he told Saira. “Why don’t you write the story of your life yourself?” Saira queried, gladly seizing the opportunity to pursue her continuous effort to pin him down to write his autobiography.’

As AKji wrote, the Kapoors were very close to Dilip Kumar’s family from Peshawar. Raj Kapoor’s grandfather Dewan Basheshwarnath Kapoor was a regular visitor to their house at Peshawar.

To quote Dilip Kumar,
‘At Khalsa College, I had very few friends. Raj Kapoor became a close pal and he used to take me to his house in Matunga where his father Prithviraj and his demure wife kept the doors of the house open all the time as the sons as well as Prithviraj’s brothers and her brother’s coming and going constantly. ………………… In fact, I felt completely relaxed with Raj’s family. …………’

Recollecting his Bombay Talkies days Dilip Kumar said
‘It was also wonderful to be in the company of Raj Kapoor again after our Khalsa College days.’

The ground that I referred to behind the Metro Cinema was where the Home Guards Division now has its headquarters.

Bhatiaji, You are right. Dilip Kumar also played cricket but his first love then was Soccer. Raj Kapoor like majority of his college friends was a keen cricketer during his college days.

Shalanji, You have set the ball rolling and I would look forward eagerly to your post on Dilip Saab. More then.
I was busy for a few days and hence could not respond earlier. I join you in paying my tributes to Raj Kapoor on his birthday, though belated. BTW Devanand bid farewell to this word on 3rd December (2011).

1361 Gaddeswarup December 19, 2019 at 3:57 am

Venkataraman at 1359, There is a Russian site called Library Genesis (libgen) which is often available after some search where many books are available for free download. The book on Dilip Kumar you mentioned is there.

1362 Shalan Lal December 20, 2019 at 4:22 pm

N.Venkatraman @1359

Thanks for taking so much troubles for defending your points.

Whoever has written about Dilip Kumar or Raj Kapoor often writes as a mythology.

In our times we can have many cross references from other sources to get to the truth.

But problem is, is it worth going through this “Magaj mari and Bheja Ulzani?

I would like to stop this discussion about minor points about the myths of these filmy zulmi fake information and enjoy the filmy buffs and so called writers of the books.

These points about their love for the football or cricket or any other games they played or the myth about they being bosom pals etc.

They do not help to the serious points about how they left the landmarks in the Hindi films that are connected to the songs or even to the real history of the Indian films.

But my apology for showing the illogicality about your earlier comments about them being playing like good friends which I felt coming from your enthusiastic expression about the thespians.

One more point I feel is very difficult to appreciate is that they both were born in “Peshawar” and taking the assumption that they both were connected because they were Peshawari.

RK’s grand father was a Hindu Khandani person. This was the root of the story that he did not like his son Prithviraj who was a graduate and perhaps the only one in the RK family. Prithviraj was becoming a Nadkawala was more in those days was like becoming a lower caste street acrobatic.

This was the story behind the the RK’s first film “Aag”. It was based on the life story of fight for Prithviraj in his early life.

Also however Prthiviraj Peshawari was it is difficult to think that he would have a brotherly relations with a struggling Fruiterer in Bombay just because he came form Peshawar.

Remember Madhubala’s father rejected Dilip Kumar because he was not from a good Khandan a son of Fruiterer in the market stand.

To me even I had given the above explanations they are not good for me who is interested in the history of the film and not so much gossip though it is entertaining.

Once more point: I have a very deep respect for your points of views and your hard work with SoY right form the beginning of the blog.

So please do not feel that I have undermined your points.

Thanks for your good support and encouragement.

Shalan Lal

1363 AK December 21, 2019 at 8:52 am

Shalan Lal,
You have addressed your comment to N Venkataramanji to show the ‘illogicality’ of his views. He is himself competent to answer it, or he may consider it unnecessary to answer it. But you are making a number of disjointed points and some of your logic is questionable, therefore, I am entering the discussion. I hope you understand I am not coming to make the discussion into a wrangling.

None of us personally knows these celebrities. Therefore, when we refer to the personal side of Raj Kapoor and Dilip Kumar, or the latter’s love for sports, or their friendship, inter alia, going back to the two families’ Peshawar days, it is based on what we have read from many sources. We are not claiming that it is the absolute truth. NV is citing the source. You are debunking these things as ‘myth’ created by the writers. And the way you are making your sweeping statement, it seems you are debunking all the information and trivia about the personal side of the cine celebrities in biographies or journals as a myth. It is not clear on what basis you are making this categorical assertion.

Coming to Raj Kapoor-Dilip Kumar, you are debunking the story of their friendship, and family connection from Peshawar on the basis of your ‘presumption’ at the impossibility of such closeness between a “Khandani Hindu and a mere Fruit Merchant”. This presumption is illogical, besides being bigoted, and cannot be called ‘truth’, and the basis for characterising the friendship stories based on some research as ‘myth’. We are all aware of many close friendships between persons from widely different economic and social background and status.

To support your presumption you are citing Madhubala’s father’s objection to her growing closeness to Dilip Kumar, on the ground of his not coming from a ‘good Khandan, and a son of Fruiterer in the market stand’. I don’t know what is your basis for making this statement. It is clear from the trend of your reasoning that this is also based on your ‘presumption’. I have not read anywhere that Madhubala’s father was a wealthy aristocrat to harbour such notions about his status. From all accounts he was a small-timer in films. He was very possessive about Madhubala enacting intimate love scenes, and didn’t want to let go of a hen laying golden eggs. Please also remember, by the late 1940s, 50s and 60s Dilip Kumar was not the ‘son of a Fruiterer’, but arguably the greatest actor of the time, one of the Great Trinity – Dilip, Dev and Raj, and living in a big bungalow in the tony Pali Hill. He was known for his grace, literary taste and impeccable manners. As a recognition of his stature, he was also anointed as Sheriff of Bombay. Madhubala’s father on the other hand was a non-entity, and was an object of ridicule as one scrounging on his daughter’s earnings, and putting spoke in her freedom.

None of us is saying that the personal side of the celebrities amounts to serious discussion about cinema. Biographies of great men are essentially about their life story, but these are recommended reading. The ‘personal’ often throws light on, and has some connection with the ‘professional’ of celebrities.

Are you saying that all the biographies of film personalities and writings in journals on their personal side should be scrapped, and only serious books on cinema should exist?

1364 arvind December 22, 2019 at 11:07 pm

Sharing a Vasant Desai composition on his death anniversary (d. 22 Dec. 1975 )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZQeGe_4370
Do nainon ke pankh lagakar:
Shaque/Gulzar/Kumari Faiyaz/1976

1365 N Venkataraman December 24, 2019 at 6:47 pm

Gaddeswarupji @ 1360,
Thanks for the information. However I managed to get a hard copy the book.

Shalanji @ 1361,
After your rejoinder and AKjis response to our discussion, I too feel there is no point in hanging on to the issue. With due respects, I would abide by your wishes.
Thanks Akji for your response in my absence.

1366 AK December 25, 2019 at 2:23 pm

Venkataramanji,
You are welcome. I waited for a day for your reply, then I entered. You would have said the same thing in a more elegant language. It is best we don’t prolong the discussion.

1367 Shachindra Prasad December 31, 2019 at 12:06 am

AKji,
I sincerely hope that you have not forgotten about a post on Vasant Desai and your antenna is on in this regard.

1368 AK December 31, 2019 at 7:52 am

Noted again.

1369 Raghavan Vasudevan December 31, 2019 at 9:33 am

ADVANCE HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL

LOOKING FORWARD MANY MORE FINE
READING POSTS IN NEW YEAR
ALONG WITH GREAT MANY GOLDEN OLDIES.

1370 AK December 31, 2019 at 4:41 pm

Mr Vasudevan,
I heartily reciprocate your sentiments. Wishing all the readers of SoY a very Happy New Year and enjoyment of music.

1371 Giri December 31, 2019 at 7:13 pm

A very happy new year to all in the SOY family. It is SOY which opened my ears to pre-49 movies and their music.
Thanks to all the contributors and AK.

1372 AK December 31, 2019 at 10:28 pm

Giriji,
Thanks a lot for your appreciation.

1373 arvind January 4, 2020 at 11:08 pm

4 January happens to be the birth anniversary of
Nirupa Roy.
Recalling:Preet Kiye Dukh Hoye
-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS3q8VqJ4nY
(Garam Coat/St.Meera Bai/Pt. Amar Nath/LM/1955.)

1374 arvind January 4, 2020 at 11:27 pm

@1372
the link provided is not functioning.
Hope the one given below works:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS3q8VqJ4nY

1375 ksbhatia February 13, 2020 at 12:41 am

Hans ji, AK ji;

Some people are born with some hole in their heart ….Sometimes it’s the place where the music comes through …..as if coming from a god gifted flute ! get the tone, and the fingers will follow the melody .

Music Director , Roshan was the one who used honey-sweet flute music to make air around you delicious .

A request to AKji if he can start a series of articles based on single playing instrument roping in best of talent and experts in their respective fields. Widening horizon thru instrumental music could be a great relaxing listeners delight.

During my leisure time I listened to Roshans songs that now I am going to share with you all…..

1.dheere se gagri utar re,mera dhul dhul jaye singar..Lata _Pt Shiv Kumar Saroj_Roshan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6vs_I1TcOQ

2. MATWALI MURALIYA BAAJI RE – LATA -SHIV KUMAR SAROJ – ROSHAN -ZINDAGI AUR HUM (1962

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYycN9O4s2Q

1376 AK February 13, 2020 at 7:48 am

KS Bhatiaji,
Only a poet like you could have thought of the imagery like a hole in the heart where the music resides! And Roshan is among the brightest shining lights. And what a song you have added – Dheere se gagri utaar re.

I remember your request for a series on instruments. I am sure experts are also reading it. SoY is propelled by the readers like you. I am sure something will come up.

1377 N Venkataraman February 13, 2020 at 1:48 pm

Bhatiaji,
I have heard heart murmur. Among many causes, it occurs when there is a hole in the heart too. Cardiac murmur.

Heart and music get along. Heart and music make a song.
And you always get along with your heart to craft poetry and song.
As Akji had said a fertile/ creative brain can only associate a hole in the heart with music.
Continue with your ‘Cheer-up’ thoughts and songs.

1378 Gaddeswarup February 13, 2020 at 6:21 pm

ksbhatia @ 1374, There is a flute version of ‘aeri maito prem diwani ‘ in Naubahar, all together the tune appears about five times in the film. I read somewhere that Roshan himself might have played the flute version.

1379 ksbhatia February 13, 2020 at 11:09 pm

AK ji @1375 , Venkatraman ji @1376 ;

Thanks for your appreciation and encouragement.

All these years we have been listening to some great songs composed by various MDs but I feel we some time miss righting about the magic of interludes and contribution of instrumentals which have multiple enhancement effects on the melodies. In both the songs one can note such effects produced by Sitar and flute. Such songs makes me speechless for some moments ….till mind takes over for repeat orders. Yes , one must sit in an easy chair or relaxing sofa while listening such songs. Avoid straight back and flat chairs . A cozy corner is best place to listen even one is to sit on floor. Music is best decorative item Home Sweet Home !!

1380 ksbhatia February 13, 2020 at 11:22 pm

Gaddeswarup ji @1377;

Yes, you are right . I am aware of the flute version used as background music. Similarly , likewise instrumental version of the song ….dil jo na kah saka….was there as background music in the party scene of Mamta . I think quite a number of MDs used their instrumental version of songs in the making at composition stages ….as background music for movies lined up for early release. What matter most is that the composition should satisfy the scenic details. Shankar Jaikishan were fore front runner in this respect.

1381 Manoj February 17, 2020 at 5:22 pm

SONGS based on “jhulfon “. bunch of (lady’s) hair

Teri jhulfonse judai to nahee maagi thi/ jab pyar kisise hota hai
Jhulfon ko hatale chehre se/ sawan ki ghata
Yeh hai reshami jhulfon ka andhera na ghabraiye/mere sanam
Jhulfonki ghata lekar sawan ki paree aai/reshami rumal
Tumhari jhulf ke sayeme sham kar lunga/ naunihal
Jhulfon ki sunahari chhaw taley/zindagi aur toofan
Yeh reshami jhulfe yeh sharbati aankhe/ do rashtey
Kya teri jhulfe hai aaha kya teri aankhe hai/ ham sab ustad hai
Na zatako jhulfon se panee ye motee phut jayenge/shahnai
O hasina jhulfonwali janey jahan/ teesari manzeel
Chhedo na meri jhulfen sab log kya kahenge/ ganga ki laheren
Tu merey samaney hai teri jhulfen hai khulee/ suhagan
Ye bikharee jhulfen yeh khilta gajara/ sahib bibi aur ghulam

1382 N Venkataraman February 17, 2020 at 8:14 pm

Manojji @ 1380,
Nice to see your postings on ‘Jhulf’. Akji wrote an article “My favourite zulf songs” seven to eight years back. You may visit the post.

Dear are the days of youth! Age dwells on the remembrance through the mist of time. In the twilight I love to recall the sunny hour of the morn- all those knots, love-filled locks, even the wild, untamed, unkempt still stays in my memory.

1383 AK February 17, 2020 at 9:16 pm

Manoj, Venkataramanji,
Here is my post on Zulf:

https://www.songsofyore.com/my-favourite-zulf-songs/

1384 R Vasudevan February 21, 2020 at 5:53 pm

Ref 1374 – Some tips to whom so ever going to post a write up on single playing instrument.

Santoor – Ravi
Sarangi – OP Nayar
Accordian/Piano Shankar Jaikihan
Guitar – RD Burman

1385 ksbhatia February 21, 2020 at 11:59 pm

R Vasudevan ji @ 1383;

In fact a real music lover hear a song in totality. Preludes, interludes and postludes are as enjoyable as main composition of stanzas . The multiplying factor is orchestra and single instruments playing are the highlighters of the songs. I did some exercise in posting songs of black and white era where Piano is lead instrument. I am now encouraging myself to take up the songs of colour era as well .

There is a general observation that Piano and Accordion are Shankar Jaikishan’s field for melodies composition. a deep study however reveal that OPN , SDB and Naushad extensively used these instuments wherever situation arises. OPN and SDB’s club songs are examples where accordion takes leads.

1386 ksbhatia February 22, 2020 at 12:57 am

N Venkataraman ji @1381;

…..your self….

Dear are the days of youth! Age dwells on the remembrance through the mist of time. In the twilight I love to recall the sunny hour of the morn- all those knots, love-filled locks, even the wild, untamed, unkempt still stays in my memory……..

Every woman deserves to feel like the queen . In fact every woman says ….I am most beautiful and man says….I am most handsome. But imagine if Comb were never invented there would have been many knotty problems with the ladies ….. managing hairs in their best forms. I think Bald people are most happy when driving a bike…..no frictional loss in speed and no fear of getting ticket for driving bike without Helmet !!

I have a great liking of curly hair styles which ladies of 17th and 18th century used to match with dresses of those times. To draw attention ladies were usually addressed as ….curly tops. Hair adds beauty to a good face . Such beauties are very well projected by many painters and artistes . YT has a bundle of such stuff with very beautiful background music….a great treat for art lovers of vintage era.

So age gracefully and maintain gray hairs as a crown of glory . Some feels that coloring hairs adds to memory loss !!

Chehre Pe Giri Full Song (HD) | Suraj Songs 1966 | Mohammed Rafi Hit Songs | Shankar Jaikishan Songs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H8ifUKdUTw

1387 N Venkataraman February 22, 2020 at 4:29 pm

Bhatiaji @ 1385,
You are at your brilliant best.

“So age gracefully and maintain gray hairs as a crown of glory. Some feels that coloring hairs adds to memory loss !!”

If the above lines are for me then it is a partially misplaced advice, since I have little hair left to get bothered. Yes, I would like to age gracefully with MY crest of glory.

I would like to share a joke from ancient Rome which I came across recently.

A barber,a bald man and a philosopher were travelling in ancient Rome. At night they decided to rest under a tree and take turns to keep an eye on their luggage. First it was the turn of the barber to keep watch and he gets bored. He took out his shaving kit and gave the sleeping philosopher a free shave. Next was the turn of the philosopher to keep watch and the barber woke him up. The philosopher felt his smooth head and he mused to himself:
“That stupid barber!
He has woken up the bald man
instead of waking up the philosopher!”

1388 ksbhatia February 22, 2020 at 11:47 pm

N Venkataraman ji @ 1386;

Ha ha ha !! a nice one .

Yes, Gray is one colour that represent many moods too. ….some time knotty like….shades of grey …..some time represent grey beard of knowledge ….sometime shady deals in grey market ….but above all these ….shailendra’s song from Kabuliwala….

……Raat kaari din ujyara , dono mil gaye saaye

Saanjh ne dekho rang roop ke , kaise bheed mitaye re…..

the stanza says it all elevating grey color to highest level.

Thanks for your sharing tit bits from time to time . Your appreciation means a lot to me.

1389 ksbhatia February 24, 2020 at 12:44 am

D P Rangan ji, N Venkatraman ji , Ms. Shalan Lal ji , Ms. Mumbaikar 8 ji;

Off and On ….as we proceed to enjoy raga based songs …..our mind do get signal to share the wealth of kirtan , shabads, bhajans which we all know are fully loaded with classical based raagas . The more we listen the more divine we began to feel. Its a sort of great blessing ….natural…and not on command !!. We have a sort of a little bit of Baiju bawra living in everyone’s life . Only our radar should work well to catch right signals, notes and waves.

I think ….we all Like minded people ….should share their such experiences of truth while we meditate thru such divine feelings.

A great listening by accompanying my mother to various temples and gurudwaras have made me what I am today….and here is a sampler shabad for all of us to cherish and enjoy and feel closeness to god thru chanting.

Mere man mere man naam nit nit lei….Bhai Harbhans Singh ji

https://media.sikhnet.com/Bhai%20Harbans%20Singh%20(Jagadhari)%20-%20Mere%20Man%20Naam%20Nit%20Nit%20Le.mp3

to be contd.

1390 N Venkataraman March 3, 2020 at 6:03 pm

Bhatiaji @1388,
In the pile of comments, the postings in the open house tend to get lost or become hazy. Though delayed, I could reach your beautiful Shabad “Naam nit Nit lei” and the nice narrative posted on 24th February when I sought within the open house today. True search always lead to blissful results. Thanks for the post.

I remember listening to Shabad Kirtans from films I do not know whether I can call them Shabad Kirtans.
I liked listening to one such Kitrans form the film Halla Bol (2008).

Satnam Shri Waheguru, Tu Parbhu Data Danmat Tu, Hum Thare Thari Jiwo by Sukhwinder Singh, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbGqkRc8Ubw

1391 ksbhatia March 19, 2020 at 12:04 am

N Venkataraman ji;D P Rangan ji , Ms. Shalan Lal ji , Ms. Mumbaikar 8 ji;
AK ji;

With so many songs to listen in a hurridly posted articles some pause in time is needed to get oriented to bhajan and shabad gurubani. Listening them is a great soulful experience . Thanks to Venkatraman ji who takes time off to orient to divinity thru classical raag based kirtans.

Besides Bhai Harbhans Singh ji Raagi I have great liking of other raagis who are regular on recital live at gurudwara Harmandir sahib , Amritsar. I am posting one shabad by Raagi Bhai Dalbir Singh.

MORI RUNJHUN LAYA…… BHAI DALBIR SINGH JI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huW6VQtHoV4

1392 N Venkataraman March 20, 2020 at 10:50 pm

Bhatiaji @ 1390,

Thanks for sharing the Shabad Kirtan of Bhai Dalbir Singh.

We are passing through testing times, fighting an invisible enemy.
Passed on to us by our earlier generations, we resort to prayer during difficult times besides taking necessary precautions. Like a good rest, everyday prayers help us to revitalize our soul and body.

I am confined to my house for the past eight days, advised bed rest by my physician, not inflicted by the latest strain, but due to severe back and hip pain. May be a blessing in disguise!

That gave me ample time to listen to some divine songs and Kirtans too. And by strange coincidence one of the Kirtans I listened, to about a couple of days back, was the Shabad Kirtan “Khana Peena Hasna Sauna” by Bhai Dalbir Singh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrsaI91e0yc

Waheguru, Sat Sri Akal.

1393 ksbhatia March 20, 2020 at 11:43 pm

N Venkataraman @1391;

Sat Sri Akal ,

Yes, its a time for senior citizens to take rest …..and relax over listening to light music over hot cup of tea. Like you I am also down with pain in my legs and feet . I am on with hydro salt therapy for my swelling of feet and the progressive curve is very slow. I have to avoid long hours of standing, sitting and walking as well. I have to take rest after every ten minutes…..its like living on E M I !!.

Under such condition I am on listening spree of Bhajan , Kirtan and Shabads. …..and I feel a great pleasure sharing with you and other members of Soy. Here are two of my favorites….

Kal ka pahiya ghoome bhaiya….Manna Dey…Chanda aur Bijli…SJ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40Yx4AB0-7U

Bhai Harbans Singh Ji – Main Banjaran Ram Ki (Vyakhya Sahit) – Gurmukh Jaag Rahe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQZccu5HEUg&t=555s

1394 N Venkataraman March 23, 2020 at 3:12 pm

Bhatiaji,
Hope you are recovering well.
While lying on my couch to rest my aching back, I happened to recollect the film Tamas, which had a few Kirtans rendered by the Singh Bandhu (Tejpal Singh & Surinder Singh). My first exposure to Shabad Kiratans happened in the 80s.
Listening to their divine rendition sets a serine ambience and pacifies the mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIG_H13tT28

1395 ksbhatia March 24, 2020 at 11:49 pm

N Venkataraman J @ 1393;

Yes. I am in recovering mode and my swelling of feet and calves have reduced….and so also the pain .

Singh Bandhu….well household names of our family . My Brother in law from my sisters side was fast friends and often comes to see him for some chats on religion and classical music. Listening to them live in ones living room is a great charm . Likewise there was one old music director by the name of Chandra who used to come to report of his compositions and tunes . I think he gave music to only one or two films starring Dara singh and Mumtaz. Listening live was again a know how for me as to how the tunes are made. We would give him the situation and he would immediately come up with a relevant tune !!

Venkat ji , I was listening to one shabad by Dalbir Singh ji and immediately got remembered one of Suriya’s old song on same raag….

Bhai Dalbir singh ji Darash Tere Ki Pyas Man Laggi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVXcgKBKczA
.
Dhadkte dil ki tamana ho mer pyar ho tum…… Suraiya

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ4ObATICGU

1396 N Venkataraman March 26, 2020 at 11:41 pm

Bhatiaji @1394,
Happy know that you are on the recovery mode and the swelling and pain have reduced.
Contacted Gaddeswarupji over FB and came to know that is doing fine, busy with gardening and Mathematics.
Came to know over whatsapp that Ranganji too is fine but what is disturbing is that after his return from US is facing social boycott. Like to believe it is not that serious. Besides he is not having internet connection.
And no further news from Shalanji. Hope she and others are well.

‘I was listening to one Shabad by Dalbir Singh ji and immediately got remembered one of Suriya’s old song on same raag’
That was interesting. It seems “Darash Tere Ki Pyas Man Laggi’ is a popular Shabad.

I started listening to Singh Bandhu in the 80s when they were regular artists in the classical programs of Calcutta for few years. I believe they were the Shagrids of Ustad Amir Khan. However they were initially trained by their elder brother G S Sardar. Can you give some additional Information on G S Sardar.

All the songs in Tamas, the renditions and the situation centering the Shabads, left a deep impression on my mind.
These Shabads invoke a sense of total sacrifice, inspiring us to fight the enemy outside or the enemy within.
Whether it is for the sake of Truth, or for the sake of the oppressed ones;
Or to face difficult times fighting the invisible enemy with determination and discipline.
Llstening to them especially in the given situation in the film gives goosebumps.

I am posting both the Shabads from Tamas. I am sure you will be able to give us the historical details of the said Shabads.
This Shabad comes twice in the fim.

Soora So Pehchaniye Jo Lare Deen Ke Het
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4E3fRjbVT4

Deh Shiva Bar Mohe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QtI5zR7zc4

Jo Bole So Nihal…Sat Sri Akal

1397 arvind March 30, 2020 at 11:40 pm

Jagat Musafir Khana:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SEsBKJZEFg
Lyricist Anand Bakshi( d 30/03/2002) singing the song he wrote for the movie Balika Badhu (1976).

1398 N Venkataraman March 31, 2020 at 4:03 pm

Arvindji @1396,
Anand Bakshi singing. Hearing for the first time. Thanks for the post.

1399 Dinesh K Jain April 3, 2020 at 1:43 pm

AK, may I suggest SOY offering its fans a write-up on MD N Dutta, who had only a rather brief innings in the 50s and 60s, despite some top class and popular music including for top banners?

1400 Dinesh K Jain April 3, 2020 at 1:56 pm

Also on Jamal Sen, and Anil Biswas please.

1401 Dinesh K Jain April 3, 2020 at 2:20 pm

And if any of the three has already been covered, can you please be kind enough to provide their links here?

1402 AK April 3, 2020 at 4:16 pm

Dinesh,
There is a whole series on Anil Biswas here.
https://www.songsofyore.com/category/music-directors/anil-biswas/

Jamal Sen has been covered under the Forgotten Composers here.
https://www.songsofyore.com/forgotten-composers-unforgettable-melodies-7-jamal-sen/

It was easy for look for their link on the right under ‘CATEGORIES’. N Datta has not yet been covered but I am a huge admirer of his music as are many readers, so he is bound to be covered on SoY sooner or later. Thanks for mentioning his name.

1403 arvind April 9, 2020 at 10:31 pm

On Jaya Bhaduri ‘s B’Day(09 April) wishing her many happy returns of the day and sharing a song from her movie Doosri Sita:
Din Ja Rahen Hain Ki Raaton Ke Saaye
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUdK8D8QR6M
LM/Gulzar/R D Burman/1974.

1404 N Venkataraman April 9, 2020 at 11:47 pm

Arvindji,
At the fag end of the day I join you in wishing the “Dhanni Meye” many happy returns of the day.

1405 N Venkataraman April 9, 2020 at 11:54 pm

Jaya Bhaduri made her debut in Satyajit Ray’s 1963 film “Mahanagar”.
You can see Jaya Bhaduri in the following link at 00:21 and 00:34

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tx5MsyAYcMk

1406 Raghavan Vasudevan April 10, 2020 at 9:05 am

Ref 1401
I am ready to post WRITE UP on N Dutta but do not know how to upload the songs. If some one is ready to assist me it can be done. For the scrutiny of my text along with the list of songs I will forward it to Mr AK
I may be intimated the e-mail ID

1407 arvind April 10, 2020 at 1:55 pm

Venkatramanji@1404.
Thanks a lot.

1408 AK April 10, 2020 at 4:32 pm

Mr Vsudevan,
My mail id is ak@songsofyore.com. You need not proceed on N Datta as I have some plan on him in my own way. The guest authors do not upload anything. They send their article with the song details to me in Word file. You have seen my articles and the guest articles to have an idea of the content and format I prefer. Thanks a lot for your offer. If you have something unique and interesting pease be in touch with me.

1409 Rahul Bhagwanrao Muli April 16, 2020 at 9:50 am

Arvind ji @ 1396
Anand Bakshi sang at least in 3 other songs
1 opening lines in the song Aaja teri yaad aayi ( Dil Insaan ka …) From Charas
2 solo from Mom ki gudiya
Main dhhond Raha tha sapanomein
3 & wonder of wonders a duet with The nightingale ( how dare he?) From the same film
Bagomein bahar aayi

1410 R Vasudevan April 27, 2020 at 12:12 pm

Today is 33rd death anniversary of music director Shankar of SJ duo. Though the pages of this fine music blog, I pay my respects and homage to this master composer.

In a school there are many teachers but always one Master call him head master and in the same way in the field of Hindi cine Music school Shankar will remain the Master always.

1411 Mahesh April 29, 2020 at 4:32 pm

AKji,
I am not getting and follow up mails from the Open House in my mail.

1412 AK April 29, 2020 at 4:35 pm

Mahesh,
I would look into it. After posting a comment on any post try checking the box at the bottom for follow up comments.

1413 N Venkataraman May 2, 2020 at 11:10 am

Today is Satyajit Ray’s 100th birthday.
Paying my tributes to the great film maker and writer
Posting his theme music he composed for Jai Baba Felunath.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SqwLFcay3g

1414 AK May 2, 2020 at 12:40 pm

Venkataramanji,
Join you in paying my tributes to a great icon of Bengal and a pride of India. The most respected film maker who was known all over the world. Today he would have been 99 years, beginning of his Centenary celebrations. In normal times there would have been a number of Retrospectives of his films. We will miss that. Hope Doordarshan remembers him. I have seen his many films on DD in their Golden Era.

1415 N Venkataraman May 8, 2020 at 7:58 am

AKji,
The comments on the blog are landing in the Spam folder. Some other readers too have mentioned this problem. Can this be fixed so that we start getting the comments in the Inbox?

1416 AK May 8, 2020 at 8:01 am

Venkataramanji,
I don’t know why the Wordpress has behaving like this. This must be from the server in course of some updates. Let me check up this problem.

1417 N Venkataraman May 8, 2020 at 1:21 pm

Today is Rabindranath Tagore’s 159th Birth Anniversary as per Bengali calendar. 25th Baisakh.
Conveying my tributes, posting a Hindi version of a Rabindra Sangeet and its Bengali original.
Gaon Se Door Mathiya La by Vidushi Deepali Nag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYeyxR11AUk

A Postgraduate in English, Dipali Nag took to Hindustani Classical Music at an early age and received training from eminent musicians like Ustad(s) Faiyaz Khan, Basheer Khan and Tassaduq Hussain Khan, all of Agra gharana.

Gram Chhara Oi Ranga Matir Path by Hemanta Mukherjee
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNiQTdi32B8

1418 ksbhatia May 8, 2020 at 1:49 pm

AK ji, Venkatraman ji;

I join to pay my respect to the great Satyajit Ray. Stuned I was when I used to watch his films in various film clubs of the 70s. The crystal clear B &W photography said it all even when there is no dialogue . Sitar and flute in the background were the added attraction . Really A masterclass in his field…the likes of him are yet to be born.

1419 mumbaikar8 May 9, 2020 at 9:19 am

Venkatraman ji; ksbhatiji,
Joining in paying tribute to the great man.
Watched his documentary with an informative interview by Shyam Benegal, beginning at around 15 minute. An hour long though.

“The comments on the blog are landing in the Spam folder.”
Today your comments did not make to my spam folder too 🙁

1420 N Venkataraman May 9, 2020 at 12:33 pm

My tributes to Talat Mahmood on his 22nd death anniversary.

Talat Mahmood has been covered adequately in SoY. Nine articles have been posted- 8 by AKji and one by Ranganji.
Posts on Talat Mahmood had appeared 6 times on his birth anniversaries; 2012-2016 and 2019. 2017 went blank. We had two in 2018. And one of the posts appeared on his death anniversary. And 2014 too we had two posts. The overwhelming response to the posts, show his popularity among SoY readers.
Posting a song from Dost (1954), lyrics Verma Malik, music Hansraj Behl
Aaye Bhi Akela Jaye Bhi Akela
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_lp6Tt9ZrU&feature=emb_title

1421 N Venkataraman May 10, 2020 at 1:56 pm

Today is 115th Birth Annivesary of Pankaj Kumar Mullick.
Paying my tribute to the great singer, composer and actor of the past..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIUyoi75Qfc

1422 N Venkataraman May 11, 2020 at 1:30 pm

Responding to reader’s request, “The Open House” forum was started on 3rd November 2014, with a condolence message on the passing away of Sadashiv Amrapurkar.
Today is the 70th Birth Anniversary of Sadhashiv Amrapurkar and the 108th Birth Anniversary of Sadat Hasan Manto.
Paying my tributes to them through this forum.

1423 N Venkataraman May 19, 2020 at 10:28 am

Paying my respects to Girish Karnad on his 82nd Birth Anniversary.
His first film was in Kannada, “Samskara” and his first Hindi film was “Jadu Ka Sankh”, a children movie.
Nishant and Manthan came later.

Ananda Bhairavi (1983), Song-Brahmanjali
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGF53Z0XHSk

1424 Manoj May 24, 2020 at 3:13 am

Late (Radio Ceylon Announcer _ Udghoshak) Gopal Sharmaji
b 28-12 1931 d 22-05-2020 remembers Shanker Jaikishan few years back:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pxpeIX8eP8

1425 N Venkataraman May 25, 2020 at 10:55 am

Understandably, my net connection was A.W.O.L. for some time. Yesterday it came for an hour or so. Now I find it back. Before It disappears again let me share a message from Bhatiaji who is absent for quite some time (more than 15 days).

The reason for his absence was his long awaited heart oriented treatment in hospital. After the check-ups and treatment, he was discharged yesterday. He is hale and hearty and will be celebrating his birthday today with his family.

Wishing him a very happy birthday and many more happy returns of the day.

1426 Ksbhatia May 25, 2020 at 3:15 pm

Thank you venkatraman ji. I will be back after recovery and rest .

1427 AK May 25, 2020 at 6:03 pm

KS Bhatiaji,
Glad to know your procedure has been successful. Happy birthday and wishing all the best.

1428 Giri May 25, 2020 at 7:24 pm

I join Venkatraman ji and others in wishing Bhatiaji a happy birthday and speedy recovery. His absence has been felt by all.

1429 mumbaikar8 May 25, 2020 at 9:45 pm

Venkataramanji,
Thanks for the update on Bhatiaji.
Did not know he had health issues as well.

Ksbhatiaji,
Wishing a very Happy Birthday and speedy recovery.
Wishing self to have Bhaitaji active on SOY.

1430 Canasya May 26, 2020 at 1:04 am

Bhatiaji,

So glad to see you back. And many happy returns.

1431 S Joseph May 26, 2020 at 4:09 pm

I thank Manoj ji for giving the link to the Gopal Sharma interview on SJ .

1432 Gaddeswaruo June 29, 2020 at 5:47 pm
1433 N Venkataraman July 24, 2020 at 1:18 pm

Eminent danseuse Amala Shankar (27 June 1919 – 24 July 2020) passed away today morning at her residence. She was the widow of dancer and choreographer Uday Shankar and mother of musician Ananda Shankar and actress & dancer Mamata Shankar and sister-in-law of musician and composer Ravi Shankar. Amala Shankar acted in the film ‘Kalpana’ written, co-produced and directed by husband Uday Shankar.She was 101 years old.
I pay my tributes to by expressing my heartfelt respects to Amala Shankar. Pray, her soul rest in peace.

Postin a clipping from the film ‘Kalpana’ (1948).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kd8I0gOktaM
and a song sequence from the film
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5APzd3yquU

1434 AK July 24, 2020 at 1:37 pm

I join in paying my tributes to Amala Shankar. We all know Anand Shankar and Mamta Shankar, but I did not know much about their mother Amala Shankar. Thanks Venkataramanji for posting the two clippings from Kalpana (1948). It has been on my watch list. Hopefully, your comment will spur me to do it sooner than later.

1435 ksbhatia July 26, 2020 at 3:19 pm

Ak ji, Venkatraman ji , Ashwin ji;

Cloudy weather and recall of Malhar shabads is a great bliss. When at Gauwathi I was living in a make shift house which had temporary tin slopping roof. During monsoon and flood season there was hardly any time to go out during weekends. So enjoyed the rain drops making sounds on tin sheets ….varying its rhythm with varying intensity of rain from trickle to heavy.

Two small shabads based on Malhar…….

Sawan Aeya Hey Sakhi .. Meera Malhar .. Album Nanak Ki Malhar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3xuSNfaln8

Barsae Megh Sakhi Ghar Pahun Aae .. Nanak Ki Malhar .. Album Nanak Ki Malhar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLVQPyBP27o

1436 N Venkataraman July 26, 2020 at 4:39 pm

Bhatiaji @ 143,
Thank you for posting the two wonderful compositions in Meera Ki Malhar and Nanak Ki Malhar.
Both the compositions paint a serene spiritual atmosphere.
For the technical aspects of the Raga and composition I will wait for AShwinji’s comments.
Thank you once again Bhatiaji.

1437 Mahesh July 28, 2020 at 9:55 pm
1438 N Venkataraman July 28, 2020 at 10:56 pm

My tributes to Kumkum. RIP
Was the song ‘Kabhi Aar Kabhi Paar’, her first screen appearance?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJFwNErOujc

1439 AK July 29, 2020 at 8:43 am

I join in paying my tributes to Kumkum. She was the lead actor in many films, almost lead actor in other films. And what fabulous dance songs were picturised on her! She was a super star in the first wave of Bhojapuri films, starting with Ae Ganga Maiya Tohe Piyari Chadhaibo. Always delightful to watch. RIP Kumkum.

1440 ksbhatia July 29, 2020 at 11:23 am

Yes. KumKum was an asset to many hit films ….be it even small rolls . A great dancer really . Tera jalwa jis ne dekha , Jadoogar katil hazir hai mera dil, Madhuban mein radhika naache re , Ghunghat nahin kholoan saiyan tore aage , Ja ja re ja balamvua , Dekha babu chhed ka maza…..and the list is unending . Thanks Kumkum for entertaining us all these years . May her soul rest in Peace.

1441 mumbaikar8 August 7, 2020 at 5:20 am

AK,
I am not technically savvy person; I do not know what I am proposing is doable or not but if you think it is possible, I would request you to consider it.
It is about “recent comments” as we are bombarded by comments on two competing posts the comments on other posts are sidelined.
Is it possible to keep the last one or two comments of all the post instead of one or two posts cornering all of them?
On 31st July my comment on Madan Mohan’s post was lost in this barrage.
Only Mr. Rangan noticed.

1442 AK August 7, 2020 at 8:19 am

Mumbaikar8,
This problem has arisen because a post which is eight posts deep is attracting huge number of comments. Same with another post which is four levels deep. These are crowding out comments on other posts in showing up under “Recent comments”.

“Last one or two posts of all the comments”: Perhaps you want to paraphrase it in a different manner. There are about 340 posts now. Surely you don’t mean 340-680 comments to show up.

Since I understand your problem, let me restate it: Show comments of the last 48 hours keeping a limit of 2 for a specific post. That serves the purpose without cluttering the sideroll.

I tried to go through the Settings, but have not been able to find a solution yet. Let me work on it.

Meanwhile I hope you are getting all the comments in mail too (you can opt for that when you register/post a comment). This can be irksome, but for a regular follower it keeps you apprised in real time. The mail also gives link for the post. There is only five minutes extra effort to delete these mails after you have perused the comments.

1443 AK August 18, 2020 at 8:33 am

RIP Pt Jasraj,
The last of the great doyens of classical music has left us. He passed away yesterday in the US at the age of 90. He was a purist who was extremely popular among lay listeners for his sweetness of voice and connect with the audience. The timbre in his voice remained intact well into the eighties. Everything he sang was melodious and appealing. I can’t pick one favourite. I am posting here his Mata Kaalika Bhawani in Raga Adana, which became identified with him.

Mata Kaalika Bhawani by Pt. Jasraj

1444 N Venkataraman August 18, 2020 at 10:37 am

Any ‘Journey’ has to come to an end. Pandit Jasraj lived till a ripe age of 90. Yet we are at a loss to accept the inevitable. He lives a complete life filled with melody and always among his large number of admirers.

Almighty has taken him in his personal care and custody. May his soul rest in peace.
Govind Damodar Madhaveti
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PV8RK0aXcYk&list=RDPV8RK0aXcYk&start_radio=1&t=0

1445 N Venkataraman September 7, 2020 at 10:39 am

My tributes to veteran music director S Mohinder who passed away yesterday in Mumbai. He will be remembered for his award winning music in the Punjabi film ‘Nanak Naam Jahaz Hai’ (1969) and the song ‘Guzra hua zamana aata nahi dobara’, he composed for Lata Mangeshkar for the film ‘Shirin Farhad’ (1956).

Mohd. Rafi – Nanak Naam Jahaz Hai (1969) – Mittar pyaare nu’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiszMZ8khho
RIP S MOHINDER

1446 Mahesh September 7, 2020 at 11:48 am

Venkataraman ji,

Many Thanks for the songs and the message post.
The Laata solo from Shirin Farhad is so very popular but not many people seem to aware of its composer.
Here is an article on his passing away news. It also contains the Hindi films for which he scored music.

https://www.punjabnewsexpress.com/entertainment/news/great-music-director-mohinder-no-more-118870#.X1WVu4MfB9U.whatsapp

Tributes to the composer on his passing away.

Lastly, a popular duet scored by him and sung by Mukesh and Suman Kalyanpur.

https://youtu.be/8ieACqWbuKU

1447 AK September 7, 2020 at 10:46 pm

Venkatarmanji, Mahesh,
If one starts exploring S Mohnider’s songs, one discovers many great songs one didn’t realise were composed by him. Mahesh has added Shama se koi kah de, a duet by Mukesh-Suman Kalyanpur. Jai Bhavani (1961) also had Suman Kalynapur’s one of the best solos, Jhoom ke piya ki gali..aaj main hawa mein udi ja rahi hun. I am happy that I was able to write on him when he was still alive three years ago, and incidentally I find that I have included both theses songs in my post.
https://www.songsofyore.com/best-songs-of-s-mohinder/

RIP S Mohinder.

1448 ksbhatia September 7, 2020 at 11:29 pm

AK ji, Venkatarman ji, Mahesh ji ;

I am really saddened by the news of passing away of one of my favorite music director S . Mohinder . He was to celebrate his 95th birthday on 8th September ….but it was to happen like that.

He left a treasure of music that commands revisiting and reliving thru his trails of songs . As newspapers carried out he was the most humble and a gentleman of quite manners. Lata ji , Asha ji showed great respect to this gentleman of music and have sung best for his compositions. A number of his interviews are available on You Tube . Its worth visiting as it carries the history of music that enveloped the music lovers during those days .

Here is one of my favorite song sung by Asha ji . Listen to the interludes and enjoy his style of orchestra that falls in the group of class music directors of all times.

Shaam Ki Tanhaaiyaan Hain – Zarak Khan (1963) Asha Bhosle, S Mohinder, Anand Bakshi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k9d5402KIU

With heavy heart I pray for his soul to rest in peace .

1449 Mahesh September 8, 2020 at 11:07 am

Sultan-E-Alam (1956)
1. Bahar Aane Ko Hai Ab Rang Badlega Jamane Ka

Khoobsurat Dhokha (1959)
2. Kisi Ka Dil Chura Lena Badi Pyari Shararat Hai
3. Ye Jawani Ye Hasin Raat Khuda Khair Kare

Jai Bhawani (1961)
4. Shama Se Koi Kah De
5. Yahaan Raat Kisi Ki Rote Kate Ya Chain Se Sote

Any more sound bytes of S. Mohinder – Mukesh combo ??

1450 ksbhatia September 12, 2020 at 2:03 pm

Today is Jaikishan’s remembrence day . I get emotional whenever I hear the preludes, interludes and postludes of so many rich crafted songs of SJ . I am 74+ and still living my life hearing those magnificent songs ….happy and sad…that have enriched my life to live with my musical interests and hobbies. Not only songs I do listen to their background and Title theme music from time to time that soothe my mind too. Of the two I think Jaikishan had a big hand in giving background score and here too he excelled in fine crafting highlighting the scenic effects of the movies. Mera Naam Joker background music is available and I often listen to enhance my pleasure over a cup of hot tea. For dance numbers …Shankar excelled . Orchestra playing a number of violins coupled with sitar was his recognition factor . For Jaikishan flute ….his favorite interludes. I think SJ have created a history which every MDs of today should read and follow their path.

1451 AK September 12, 2020 at 3:55 pm

KS Bhatiaji,
I pay my tributes to Jaikishan and SJ. Today Vividh Bharti played their songs in Bhoole Bisre Geet. It is uncanny I had exactly the same wish, if they could have an hour long programme only of their instrumental music. And yes they were equally superb in outside RK films. They were pure melody from their first film Barsaat (1949) till early 60s.

1452 Canasya September 12, 2020 at 7:48 pm

Bhatiaji, AKji:

Joining you in remembering the duo with a link to a sample from their album ‘Raga Jazz Style’:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwKQPnbz4Fk&list=PL6CCD8BC19ABD6864&ab_channel=jonesthatcatwasben

1453 R Vasudevan September 12, 2020 at 8:36 pm

Great day to remember as Jaikishan passed away today years back.

A fan of SJ from my school days, without hearing their songs I have never gone to bed every day. Radio come to my grab first and in case no song of SJ was played in any of their programmes – which is rare – I switch to my own collection.

Today in Vivid Bharathi Jayamala programme featured SJ songs.

A music composer like Jaikishan will never be born.

My tribute to the the great duo.

1454 ksbhatia September 12, 2020 at 11:57 pm

Canasya ji; @ 1451 ;

Enjoyed revisiting ….Raga Jazz Style ….album again after a gap of few years . Each raag is very clearly defined in SJs soft Jazz style. Raag miya malhar is awesome. I think a few raags were played as background music in Bombay Talkies .

1455 ksbhatia September 13, 2020 at 12:02 am

AK ji @ 1450 ;

I endorse your views . SJ were awesome in films outside RK camps too. Badal , Aurat, Daag and many more had great songs that I usually resort to hear again and again . What more when lyrics touches your heart and melody lives for ever.

1456 ksbhatia September 13, 2020 at 12:10 am

R Vasudevan ji ;

It seems we have in common our past school of thoughts . I for me used to celebrate SJs ranking on Binaca Geet Mala whenever they it radio with bunch of melodies. At certain moment of time Binaca Geet Mala carried more than 80 percent of their songs in the listings .

Here is an oldie from Aurat…..

Dard E Ulfat, Haay Dard E Ulfat Chhupaaoon Kahaan, Dil Kee Duniyaa Basaaoon Kahaan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlE3XWwFhtw

Note the touches of Acordeon ….SJs signature instrument .

1457 Malyada September 24, 2020 at 12:49 pm

Dear AK ji,
My heart sank when I could not access SOY over the last few days. Its almost a daily habit now to read old posts and dig out songs which either I havent heard before or long forgotten. The new theme looks really good. One suggestion about Open House – the comments should be in descending date order keeping the latest one on top, that way we dont have to scroll down all the way down to 1450 comments. Kudos to your efforts!!

1458 AK September 24, 2020 at 9:56 pm

Malyada,
I am gratified to have SOY fans like you. Yes, two days of SOY blackout was miserable for all of us. Fortunately, it is up now. Thanks a lot for your support. Silent readers are as important for me as the active ones. As for the sequence of comments I can see your point that in the descending order it may be better. Open House comments are stand alone. But this may not hold good for other posts where the readers may want to see previous comments in continuity. I would check up if it is possible to have a different o of appearance for Open House.

1459 Dr. Rajesh Deshpande September 25, 2020 at 11:59 pm

My heartfelt tribute to the legendary multilingual singer S P Balasubramaniam who unfortunately departed from this world today!!

After being affected by covid19, he gave a long tough fight against the disease for more than a month and half. He turned negative for the virus and showed some signs of recovery, but finally succumbed to the pathological changes already caused to the lungs.

He has left behind a vast repertoire of songs in many languages for us to listen and remember his wonderful inimitable voice and unique style of singing

May his soul rest in peace!!

1460 mumbaikar8 September 26, 2020 at 6:05 am

Joining Dr. Deshpande in paying tribute to S P Balasubramanyam.
He still had many more years to go. Wil be missed.
RIP.
https://youtu.be/iSAN25_pOXw?t=61

1461 Raghavan Vasudevan September 26, 2020 at 10:17 am

I wish to pay my tribute to the great singer SPB.
SPB sang in 14 languages and about 40 thousand songs. A commendable record.
Among the Hindi films . Sanam teri kasam,
Sagar, Hum apke hain kaun, Maine Pyar kiya were some of them.

Incidentally Mohamad Rafi was his favorite singer and in many interviews SPB had said that he drew ispiration from Rafi Sahib and had regretted that he could sing with him.

SPB was a legend. May his fame grow more and more.

1462 Raghavan Vasudevan September 26, 2020 at 10:20 am

A slip in my typing in the penultimate paragraph
………and had regretted that he could not sing with Rafi Sahib.

1463 N Venkataraman September 26, 2020 at 11:20 am

Joining Rajeshji and others in conveying my tributes to S P Balasubramaniam. May his soul RIP.

1464 AK September 26, 2020 at 1:08 pm

Malyada @1457,
I tried to limit 300 comments per page, but the last page instead of showing from 1201 to 1462, numbered it from 1 to 262. This makes referring to a comment by its serial number. There still could be a solution to that, I would check up again.

1465 AK September 26, 2020 at 1:10 pm

SPB’s death makes me terribly sad. Covid is so unpredictable and one feels someone’s life has been snatched away unfairly. RIP SPB.

1466 Giri October 2, 2020 at 1:23 pm

I join others (belatedly) in paying tributes to SPB. A great singer, who, at the peak of his career, used to record a minimum of 15 songs a day. On top of it he was known as a humble human being.
I am posting a song from the Telugu film”Sankabharanam” which got him a national award:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iZACVIMSbOM

1467 ASHOK M VAISHNAV October 14, 2020 at 9:59 am

Kaumudi Munshi, a well-known Gujarati singer, wife of Ninu Muzumdar, passed away on 13-10-2020

TEEN TASVEEREN (1954) – Kaajal kaari raat re – Kaumudi Munshi

https://youtu.be/SfSQik_sJ7Y

TEEN TASVEEREN (1954) – Na poochho ji hamse hamaara fasaana- – Kaumudi Munshi

https://youtu.be/7SSPClgh2FQ

1468 Gaddeswarup October 28, 2020 at 1:47 pm

Usha Iyer has just published a book on Bollywood dance from 1930-90. There may be some common material in the book and her thesis from 2014.
http://d-scholarship.pitt.edu/22815/1/IyerUsha_ETD_2014.pdf

1469 Gaddeswarup October 28, 2020 at 2:46 pm

An excerpt from the book appeared in Scroll. Which discusses Azurie. Another lin, to Saroz Khan, appears on her Facebook wall. https://scroll.in/reel/976857/the-audacious-and-amazing-azurie-a-league-of-nations-in-whom-every-dance-of-the-world-is-found

1470 ksbhatia December 11, 2020 at 4:58 pm

AK ji ;

Many happy returns to Dilip Kumar Sahib who turns 98 yr today. A living legend that remains and will remain in our hearts for ever . We grew watching his films and getting entertained thru his finely tuned crystal clear performance in every role . The songs that he sang on screen ….too are present in our heart . His matching dialogue delivery was awesome and to watch again and again .

A little piece from his most watched fim ….Deedar …follows next.

1471 ksbhatia December 11, 2020 at 5:18 pm

AK ji;

In continuation….

PYAAR BANA BACHPAN KA SAPNA,NASEEB DAR PE TERE AZMAANE – RAFI -SHAKEEL -NAUSHAD ( DEEDAR 1951)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8o1roLCtfo

Bachpan Ke Din Bhula Na (HD) (part 1 – Sad) – Deedar Songs – Dilip Kumar – Nargis Dutt – Mohd Rafi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXk7LCoizik

There are so many songs that one wants to listen again and again . At the same time it is essential to get reminded that Naushad and Shakeel were instrumental in success to his film and his career . Their awesome combo brought back many composition which still are live in our memory banks.

1472 AK December 12, 2020 at 7:44 am

Dilip Kumar is a legend. Besides, he is a literate man and a great public speaker. I wish him the best on his 98th birth anniversary.

1473 Jagadish February 4, 2021 at 8:56 pm

Can you please add a search facility in your website? While there is an index as the content grows it will be really useful.

1474 AK February 4, 2021 at 9:34 pm

Jagadish,
Welcome to SOY. There is indeed a Search facility at the top right corner. It works. This is in addition to the Index and the Categories bar on the right side.

1475 Dr. Rajesh Deshpande February 13, 2021 at 7:30 pm

Greetings to All on the occasion of the 10th World Radio Day!!

Remembering those glorious days when we sat glued to and listened to the Radio for everything – Songs, News, Cricket Commentary, Educational programs, Film promotions, Interviews, Ads etc etc……

Announced in 2011 by the Member States of UNESCO and adopted by the UN Assembly in 2012, February 13 was formally declared as the World Radio Day, the date of the establishment of the UN Radio in 1946.

This year’s theme is NEW WORLD, NEW RADIO
It includes three sub-themes:
Evolution: The world is changing, radio is evolving.
Innovation: The world is changing, radio is adapting and innovating. Connect: The world is changing, radio connects.

Posting a song that came to my mind – Madhubala listening to Zindagi bhar nahin bhulengi on the Radio in Barsaat ki Raat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tuPIVNiJVE

1476 AK February 13, 2021 at 7:36 pm

Dr Deshpande,
Most of us on the SOY owe our romance for old film music to the radio. Thanks for mentioning it.

1477 ksbhatia February 13, 2021 at 11:21 pm

Dr. Rajesh Deshpande ji ;

Yes. Those were the days we really enjoyed listening to the great musicals right from 50s thru 80s . The designs and piano like finish of the radios and radiograms always attracted me a lot. Right ambience I needed to listen to my favorite wave lengths . It was a pleasure watching cursors hitting the foreign channels even with low notes and voices like old rusted vinyl records. Besides hindi farmaishi programme ….it was a great pleasure listening to …..Forces Request , A date with you and Lunch time music. Big Radios Big Music !!

In those times little mini road side shops selling paan , bidi , cigarette and soft drinks too used to have small radios that all ways were in play mode to attract passer byes . This song of an old film says it all….

DOOB JAAYE JO QISMAT KA TAARA -LATA-NOOR LUKHNAVI -C RAMCHANDRA (PARCHHAIN 1952)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nm50ZQ7eDA

…..and ofcourse I remember Madona’s song too….I am a Radio Girl.

1478 Dr. Rajesh Deshpande March 8, 2021 at 11:36 pm

Remembering Sahir Ludhianvi on his 100th Birth Anniversary today….

Since today is also the International Women’s Day, here are two songs penned by Sahir focusing on the plight of women, incidentally both are B R Chopra movies

Sadhana 1958
N. Datta – Lata
Aurat ne janam diya mardon ko
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jadi-lBEYUU

Insaf Ka Tarazu 1980
Ravindra Jain – Asha
Log aurat ko fakat jism samajh lete hain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtPiq58Z57Q

1479 AK March 13, 2021 at 10:52 pm

Dr Deshpande,
Thanks for remembering Sahir Ludhiynavi, one of the top shair-lyricists. I realise he deserves much more on SOY.

1480 Manoj March 23, 2021 at 11:05 pm
1481 AK March 24, 2021 at 12:11 pm

Manoj,
Frankly I am not excited about colouring B&W classics. The only one so far I look forward to is Mughal-e-Azam. I saw the songs. All are my B&W favourites. But thanks a lot.

1482 AK April 24, 2021 at 8:24 am

Dear SOY friends,
I have been trying to maintain a gap of about 10-11 days between posts. You might have noticed this has increased of late. These are chaotic times. I am perfectly all right, but other responsibilities don’t give me a block of time when there is nothing else on mind. I have a lot of ideas, and the journey will go on uninterrupted. Thanks a lot.
AK

1483 Canasya May 8, 2021 at 3:31 pm

R.I.P. Vanraj Bhatia (1928-2021):

Just heard the news that we have lost Vanraj Bhatia, 93. Stunned. This pandemic has left us very poor.

Here is his ‘Mondar baju baju re’ from Bhumika, the singers are Saraswati Rane and Meena Fatarpekar:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVP4Q3sheao

1484 AK May 8, 2021 at 9:35 pm

Canasya,
Deepest condolences. And the music he gave were a class above. Mundarwa baaju re is my favourite from Bhumika. It is nice to see Saraswati Rane back in films. The film world had forgotten her.

1485 Canasya May 23, 2021 at 11:24 pm

R.I.P. Raamlaxman (1942-2021):

Raamlaxman (Vijay Patil in real life) passed away on May 22, deeply mourned by HFM lovers. He was 78.

His music was behind the success of some of the biggest blockbusters during the 1980s and 1990s. Here is Lata singing ‘Dil diwana’ from Maine Pyar Kiya’ (1989):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2Ypq_j2ZuM

1486 AK May 24, 2021 at 9:43 am

Canasya,
I join you in paying my tribute to Ramlaxman. I just came to know he was a single composer and not a duo Ram-Laxman.

1487 AK July 3, 2021 at 6:14 pm

RIP KS Bhatiaji
Just now when a call came from KS Bhatiaji’s number, I responded excitedly “What a pleasure to get a call from you Bhatiaji, How are you?” It was Mrs Bhatia who broke the sad news that he was no more. He had been cured of the Covid19 infection and had returned home from the hospital. He also resumed interacting on the SOY with his usual vigour. But his diabetes and cardiac-related complications did not let him fully be up and running. He had to be again admitted to the hospital, this time not responding to any medication or treatment, finally breathing his last on 30.6.2021. Mrs Bhatia told me that SOY was very dear to his heart, and was an elixir to him. He remembered the blog and its members very fondly.

Mr Bhatia had turned 75 in May 2021. A civil engineer by training. he retired from the government from a high position. It is difficult to find a person with more multi-faceted talents and interests in music, movies, photography and travelling. He was a poet at heart which showed in his lyrical reminiscences and comments.

KS Bhatiaji has truly left a void which is difficult to fill. As I live in the NCR, it has been my privilege to meet both Mr and Mrs Bhatiaji. Deepest condolences to Mrs Bhatia and Bhatia family from myself and SOY family.

1488 Arunkumar Deshmukh July 3, 2021 at 6:48 pm

Very very sorry to learn about Mr. Bhatia’s demise. It is like losing a friend , who I would have loved to meet. His appearance on the Readers’ forum used to light up the show and his old time stories were delightful.
May his soul attain Moksh.
-AD

1489 Giri July 3, 2021 at 7:47 pm

I am shocked by this news of Bhatia ji’s demise. It is a great loss to our fraternity of SOY members. We will miss his reminiscences and his ability to unearth rare songs. I join the members of SOY in condoling his demise.
I pray to the Lord to give strength to his family to bear this irreparable loss.
May his soul rest in peace.

1490 S Joseph July 3, 2021 at 9:09 pm

Very sad to hear of the unfortunate demise of Bhatia ji . We shall miss him at SOY . A very spirited participant at SOY. Around noon today I had posted a message on Bhatia ji’s WhatsApp number. Sometime before Covid had disrupted life I had visited Bhatia ji at his home . A noble soul. May the departed soul RIP and God give strength to the near and dears to bear this irreparable loss.

1491 mumbaikar8 July 3, 2021 at 11:32 pm

Bhatiaji you will be missed forever, at SOY and personally as well.

I am sure you are resting in peace because soul like yours do not seek peace you bring peace.

1492 D P Rangan July 4, 2021 at 8:49 am

Gobsmacked would be a gross understatement at this shocker of news regarding demise of fellow traveller Bhatia. I had been in active contact with him over phone and WhatsApp. A multi faceted gem conversant with western music too, his ascending to heaven will leave a deep void amidst Soy fraternity. My deepest condolences to Mrs. Bhatia and family.

1493 N Venkataraman July 4, 2021 at 2:08 pm

Almighty’s decision to take our beloved Bhatiaji under his permanent care and custody has saddened our hearts. I would personally miss him and so would others in SoY. I would pray to god to give the noble soul eternal peace and give his near and dear ones the strength to bear his absence.

1494 Dr. Manoj Shukla July 4, 2021 at 5:03 pm

Sir, in this never before and marvelous group, ‘search option’ should be added so that one can get info about his interest. If it is already there, kindly let me know how to reach to it.

1495 Dr. Rajesh Deshpande July 4, 2021 at 7:13 pm

Shocked and saddened by the untimely demise of Bhatiaji, one of the stalwarts of SoY!!
It is indeed unfortunate that we lost a multi-faceted and versatile personality to covid19.
Though my association with SoY is only over an year, I always enjoyed his comments which not only included the songs but his own experiences, thoughts and memories written in his unique lyrical style.
My condolences to the Bhatia family!!
May his soul rest in peace!!

1496 AK July 4, 2021 at 7:24 pm

Dr Manoj Shukla,
Welcome to SOY and thanks a lot for your nice words. At the top right hand corner there is the usual ‘Search’ link. But the list of ‘CATEGORIES’ is a very good way to navigate the blog. But the most comprehensive way is to click the ‘Index’ option at the top. It shows all the 370+ posts, and click on anyone.

1497 Shalan Lalavani July 5, 2021 at 4:02 pm

AK @1487 and others now paying tributes K.S.Bhatiaji

My roots are rocked from their very existence after reading AK’s declaring of the sad news of the death of our most loved contributor with so much in-depth knowledge about our loved topic and other references of the Hindi film songs and the films and other matters of life.

He certainly was much loved respected, honoured and venerated as a very close friend of all of us.

I had mentioned him in my article that I was giving finishing touches to send it off to AK with reference to a subtle and poignant point.

We will miss him as long as we will be reading the SoY.

I am just holding my sobs

Shalan Lal

1498 Rahul Bhagwanrao Muli July 5, 2021 at 7:36 pm

Very sad to know about the passing away of Bhatiyaji. Ironically one of the last songs posted by him on क्या भूलूॅं क्या याद करूॅं
was
Aankhe na phero chale jayenge ham.
May his soul rest in peace.

1499 Siddharth July 6, 2021 at 5:47 pm

Heartbreaking to hear the news of Bhatiaji’s demise.
His contribution to SoY is immense. He was a connoisseur of music.
On any topic innumerable songs would just flow from his reservoir.
I have never met him but I can surely say he was a poet at heart, a very knowledgeable and a wonderful human being.
His demise has left a great void and he will always be missed.

1500 Dr. Rajesh Deshpande July 7, 2021 at 3:10 pm

One of the legends of the Golden period of Hindi Cinema Dilip Kumar left for heavenly abode today morning.
A trendsetter and a source of inspiration for all future hindi film actors, he has left behind a monumental body of work, memorable films, superlative performances and immortal songs.

May his soul rest in peace!!

A song in his memory…

Ae mere dil kahin aur chal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4Z8hVP_BSc

1501 AK July 7, 2021 at 3:31 pm

Dilip Kumar was the tallest name in acting. Every aspiring actor took inspiration from him. The last of the greats has left us.

1502 N Venkataraman July 7, 2021 at 8:11 pm

Dilip Kumar, a legendary name and first definitive actor in Indian Cinema, had refined acting to an art form of exalted brilliance.
May his soul rest in peace.

1503 Ashok Kumar Tyagi July 8, 2021 at 2:20 pm

AK ji
The news of death of ‘har-dil-ajeez ‘ KS Bhatia ji is very sad. May his pious soul rest in peace.

1504 Shalanlalvani July 8, 2021 at 3:04 pm

Yes indeed a very sad news about Dilipsaheb. He was 98 years and waiting for his final departure.

A gentleman in the sin-city of fillumland!

He was buried according to the Muslim religious rites and rituals.

According to Islam the dead body waits until the Kayamat. According Jewish and Christian religions this waiting period is ancient middle eastern and Egyptian custom.

When I was young there was a news in the gossipy filmy journal that Dilipsaab wanted to have a Hindu funeral ritual when he would have been dead!

So we can say when Allah would call him on the Kayamat Day we hope Dilip Kumar would be looked up generously by Allah.

Our prayers are with his wife and relatives when they visit the mosque today.

Shalan Lal

1505 Canasya July 8, 2021 at 3:37 pm

Bhatia ji’s first appearance in SoY was in 2013. The date was Sep 27, and the post was ‘Best songs of 1953: and the winners are?’ In comment # 138, he introduced himself thus (and here I am reproducing verbatim from the post):

“AK ji, Iam a new entrant to yours very intresting site and being lover of the golden era of old classic movies; hold intrest in music compositions ,background music ,interludes ,preludes and title music of the movies. I have glanced thru many comments made above and i really appreciate the magnum efforts made by each one in analysis and observations thereon. As I am a big fan of Shanker Jaikishan I will definately vote for them for their contribution of music in the year 1953. …”

What an understatement! He was blessed with a photographic memory, had instant recall, and was a treasure house of information and trivia on films and music not only in Hindi but in other languages too.

The first song he mentioned on SoY was ‘Aankhon aankhon mein tumko chhupake dekh liya’ (Lata in Aurat; MD: SJ). Since he had not provided the link, let me complete the task for him:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rte4rR1NAm4

The partnership that he struck with Dr Shetty over years left us in awe. Upon the appearance of a new post on SoY, all we had to do–after writing a customary comment of appreciation–was to sit back and enjoy the fireworks from the sidelines.

His last few comments were in SoY’s ‘Kya bhooloon kya yaad karoon’ post and were fittingly addressed to AKji (# 1154), Venkataraman ji (# 1173) and to the SoY family in general (# 1174). The last song he posted was ‘Aai saavan rut aai’ (Mukesh & Shamshad in Mela; MD: Naushad), aptly picturized on Dilip Saheb (& Nargis).

His debut on SoY was couple of months after mine, but God loved him more. I am sure, he is among kindred souls, regaling them with his fabuous wit and recall.

1506 AK July 8, 2021 at 7:12 pm

Canasya,
This is a lovely tribute to KS Bhatiaji. I am sure he would be seeing from heaven how fondly we remember him at the SOY.

1507 Canasya July 8, 2021 at 9:01 pm

In his obituary of Dilip Kumar (https://enewsroom.in/dilip-kumar-saab-bollywood-actor/), Resul Pookutty describes an incident during 1997 convocation of FTII, Pune, where the thespian was the chief guest. Students were protesting the policies of Mahesh Bhatt, the Chairman. This made Dilip Kumar unhappy, and he advised discipline in his convocation address. Students sought audience with him to explain their position but were not allowed to meet. They then shouted, “We don’t want to see Dilip Kumar, we want to talk to ‘Vinod Kumar'” (Dilip Kumar’s character in ‘Mashaal’), and he came out, listened to them and gave a ‘thumbs-up’. Mahesh Bhatt soon resigned. (In newspaper accounts of that incident, Mohan Agashe, the then Director of FTII, had called the conduct of students ‘shameful’).

Dilip Kumar became the gold standard of acting for romantic lead in Hindi films. The compulsions of commercial cinema probably deprived us of full benefit of his talent. But his remained a towering, uncontroversial, statesmanlike presence in an industry that thrives on gossips, rumours, and scandals. Madhumati has long been my favourite among his films. But the song below is from Musafir–‘Lagi nahi chhute’ (Dilip Kumar & Lata; MD: Salil Chowdhury):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXLXIs2Sx8k

1508 S Joseph July 8, 2021 at 9:32 pm

There are so many mesmerising performances by Dilip Kumar. One such video clip of a scene from the 1955 movie ‘ DEVDAS ‘ , available on the YouTube , has over 2.33 million views and around 1.3 K fans’ comments .

The link …

https://youtu.be/AlnolKzGiDc

1509 Dr Pradeep Kumar Shetty July 9, 2021 at 6:16 am

Canasya ji,

I would call it a ‘ Complete Tribute ‘. ksbhatia Pa ji would be too happy to see the link to his first song on the blog ( What NV ji always , and often Dr Rajesh ji et al do for me ). Brought tears to my eyes.

He contacted me over email and then WhatsApp, and, we were in touch constantly. After his return from the hospital, I had wished him on ( what was going to be his last ) birthday.

I have met 2 regulars of SOY and have spoken to more than 10 over the phone. I regret I didn’t speak to Pa ji . My loss, entirely.

I pray for Sadgathi and Moksha for the departed soul.

We will miss you on the pages of SOY , Pa ji.

1510 Raghavan Vasudevan July 9, 2021 at 11:59 am

Very sad to hear one of our blog members Mr K S Bhatia ji is no more
I read his postings with interest being a SJ fan like me and also the
link he provides to the songs and related information he used to append.

A fine blog friend leaves us all. May his soul rest in peace.

1511 Ashok M Vaishnav July 9, 2021 at 10:30 pm

No words can express the numbness created by the reading the news of KS Bhatiaji’s eternal departure.

My sincerest condolences to his family.

1512 neeruahaf July 11, 2021 at 1:52 pm

Canasya ji @1505

That’s a lovely tribute you have paid to Bhatia ji. I remember when I discovered SOY in 2019 while discussion was on regarding the Best Songs of 1946, he was extremely encouraging to a newcomer like me.

“I am sure, he is among kindred souls, regaling them with his fabulous wit and recall.” Amen to that.

1513 Gaddeswaruo July 22, 2021 at 3:09 am

This post is referred to in the Wikipedia article on Azurie
https://www.songsofyore.com/songs-of-yore-completes-three-years/

1514 AK July 22, 2021 at 1:46 pm

Gaddeswarupji,
Thanks for drawing our attention. But I am surprised. The deepest research on Azurie has been done by Richard on his ‘Dances on the Footpath’. Wikipedia referencing is not very good, I don’t find its mention.

1515 Gaddeswaruo July 24, 2021 at 1:05 pm

AKJi@1514, I think many of the references for Richard came from Minai and me and I posted some in the above around the same time.

1516 AK February 6, 2022 at 10:04 am

The sad news we all dreaded to hear has come true. End of melody which was part of our lives. RIP Lata Mangeshkar.

1517 N Venkataraman February 6, 2022 at 10:27 am

A era comes to an end.
Maa Saraswati resided in her heart and soul all through out.
Yesterday was “Sree Basant Panchami”, Maa Saraswati Puja in this part;
Today, the “Visarjan Day”, Maa Saraswati has taken Lataji into her permanent care and custody. Praying to the Almighty give the departed soul eternal peace.

1518 Canasya February 6, 2022 at 11:25 am

Venkataraman ji,

Never before did the term ‘end of an era’ appear so significant. At SoY, we have always reckoned the Golden period of HFM with the advent of a diminutive figure with a powerful thin voice that mesmerized all of us. As you have pointed out, today Maa Saraswati chose to take back the gift she had left with us all these decades.

Hafiz Khuda Tumhara.

1519 Sivanandam Palamadai February 6, 2022 at 9:07 pm

Rahe na rahe hum, mehka karenge, banke Kali banke sabha, baag-e- wafa mein….

Naam gum jaayega, chehra yeh badal jayegaa
Meri awaaz hi pehchaan hai….

Meri Beena tum bin roye….

Which song to dedicate to you Lata Didi??

God must have wanted his precious creation back…Om Shanti

1520 Dr. Rajesh Deshpande February 6, 2022 at 11:51 pm

Truly an end of an era as the Nightingale of India left for heavenly abode today!

For everyone growing up between 50s-80s, Lata Didi’s immortal voice and her immortal songs have been an integral part of our lives. Lata has given us a song for every special moment, situation and occasion of our life.

She has left behind a rich musical legacy and a infinite treasure of her immortal songs to last us for generations to come!!

I am sure she is telling us: Tum mujhe yun bhula na paaoge

1521 AK July 19, 2022 at 10:06 pm

Dear friends,
We have lost today a very melodious singer, Bhupinder Singh (6.2.1940-18.7.2022) who had many good songs composed by Madan Mohan in his later years. We remember him as one of the voices in ‘Hoke majboor tumhein usne bulaya hoga’. His everlasting songs include, Dil dhoondhta hai phursat ke raat din; Do diwane shahar mein; Beete na bitayi raina etc.

RIP Bhupinder

1522 N Venkataraman July 19, 2022 at 11:25 pm

Though belated I too join you in paying my tributes to Bhupinder Singh.
May his soul rest in peace.

1523 Ashok M Vaishnav July 22, 2022 at 10:11 am

Noted film historian, Nalin Shah, passed away on 21 July 2022, at the age of 87 years, at Mumbai after a brief illness.

His very keen, unique and in-depth research attitude led him to ferret out the chaff of myths from the wheat of facts.

His writings for Filmfare, G (a film magazine of Vaju Kotak’s Chitralekha group), Playback & Fast Forward, The Pioneer, The Times of India, Hindustan Times, The Hindu, Mid-day etc. attained the stature for their authentic content, objective point-of- view and accurate analysis.

He has authored a book -Melodies, Movies & Memories – which is a very readable presentation of lucid and engrossing stories, covering a wide panorama of subjects, while being a documentation of the Hindi film history

I pray for the eternal peace to his soul.

1524 AK July 22, 2022 at 10:47 am

Ashokji,
I too join in paying my tributes to him. He was a familiar presence on the TV hosting various programmes on film music. I remember him for his fur cap and frequent use of the word ‘maqbool’.

1525 N Venkataraman July 22, 2022 at 12:04 pm

Ashokji,
I too join you in paying my homage to him.
I remember, a few years back, you ad written a post on his book, “Melodies, Movies & Memories”.
May his soul rest in peace.

1526 Mahesh October 16, 2022 at 11:58 pm

LatestLY: Sapan Sengupta Dies; Music Director Was Part of Composer Duo Sapan-Jagmohan During ’60s and ’70s.
https://www.latestly.com/socially/entertainment/bollywood/sapan-sengupta-dies-music-director-was-part-of-composer-duo-sapan-jagmohan-during-60s-and-70s-4337769.html

1527 AK October 18, 2022 at 11:06 am

Mahesh,
Thanks for sharing the article. I don’t know how they got together. They did compose some nice songs, the article could have mentioned some of their well-known songs, such as Phir wo bhooli si yaad aayi hai. Jagmohan Bakshi I knew as the singer of Dekho maane nahi roothi haseena na jaane kya baat hai from Taxi Driver (1954). RIP Sapan Sengupta.

1528 Mahesh October 18, 2022 at 12:04 pm

AK ji,

Its a pity that we can’t even correlate faces of many artists to the wonderful gems that they created. Whether the name of the composer is one person or a duo is also sometimes doubtful.

This article seems to have some more details of the work of the duo.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/music-director-sapan-sengupta-dies/articleshow/94927845.cms

And, here is the most famous song of the duo in both versions and sung by Mukesh.

https://youtu.be/jaqv80dyltk

1529 AK October 18, 2022 at 6:55 pm

Mahesh,
Thanks a lot again for another article. Yes, they were also famous for Mukesh’s Main to har mod par tumko doonga sada.

I think there was no doubt that they were a duo. One duo-sounding but a single composer was Shyamji Ghanshyamji. I don’t know why he adopted such a name, nor if there are others with quirky names.

1530 Unnati Kshirasagar October 20, 2022 at 1:34 pm

I am a frequent visitor to this site, though not a regular one.
I have enjoyed reading the various articles. The thoroughness of them is admirable and really appreciated.

1531 AK October 20, 2022 at 3:28 pm

Unnati Kshirasagar,
Thanks a lot for your appreciation. But if you have something interesting to say, please don’t hold yourself.

1532 AK October 30, 2022 at 8:36 pm

Dear Readers,
I believe some registered readers have not been getting email notifications about new posts on SOY. I request all readers to register themselves again by entering their email in the bottom box captioned “Get mail updates”. You will get a notification from ‘Follow.it’ for confirmation. Please confirm the link, and you will start getting email notifications from future posts.
AK

1533 Sivanandam February 6, 2023 at 4:43 pm

Today is 1st anniversary of the nightingale, Lata. I was expecting some article today!!
Also 4th Feb , we lost another legend..though more popular in South , but having swept away the entire nation with one Hindi song: Bole Re Papihara…Vani Jayaram.

1534 AK February 6, 2023 at 7:38 pm

Mr Sivanandam,
Lata Mangeshkar and Vani Jayaram shall remain in our memories. No explanation except that I maintain suitable gaps between posts, and there is nothing I can add about her after my tribute to her on her death, Lata Mangeshkar lives forever.

1535 R Vasudevan June 14, 2023 at 4:13 pm

Sad to hear hear the demise of Sharadha the singer. She had a unique voice and it was a pity that she sang only under the music direction of Shankar Jaikishan. With her passing away a bird from the nest of S SJ music branch has flew away for ever.
May her soul rest in peace.

1536 Imran August 27, 2023 at 4:09 am

I’ve been looking for a very rare non-film geet by Talat Mahmood that I had heard decades ago. I have a good ear for lyrics so the words and tune are stuck in my memory but I can’t find the wrong anywhere on the internet. Has anyone heard this or can find it?

O mujhe bhulane wale
Teri yaad mita bhi sakta hoon
Main tujhe bhula bhi sakta hoon

1537 AK August 27, 2023 at 9:30 am

Imran,
Welcome to Songs Of Yore. This song is not among the ones I know. You have asked this on another post too. I hope someone on this forum is able to find what you are looking for.

1538 AK August 27, 2023 at 12:39 pm

Imran,
I have enquired from a knowledgeable person Arunkumar Deshmukh. Arun ji has sent me this information:

“I have a complete list of All Talat songs, with details, as given in a book on Talat Mehmood.
In this book entry no.541 says about this song ‘rendered but not recorded’. It has no other details about the writer or composer etc.

Maybe this was taped by some A.I.R. station during the period 40’s to the 60’s.
Enquiries may be made with those who buy the taped lot of songs sold by the A.I.R.stations from time to time.
One such collector could be Syed Zafar Shah. You may be knowing him.”

1539 Imran August 28, 2023 at 3:20 am

Hi AK

Appreciate your prompt reply and inquiry about the song on my behalf. Yes, I do remember reading somewhere that this song was not recorded on an LP or EP. I’ve heard of Syed Zafar and will try to contact him.

Thank you for your help. I’ll let you know if I do manage to find the song. Would love to actually hear it again instead of hearing it in my head.

Kind Regards

1540 AK August 28, 2023 at 7:42 am

Imran,
You are welcome. Hope you find it. Do let me know.

1541 Imran September 1, 2023 at 9:05 pm

Another Talat non-filmi geet I can’t seem to find:

Kyun bhala ye dwaar paar karne mein sanchay
Anjaane ki jay

Not a great composition in my opinion, but would love to hear it again, if someone has mentioned it in the past in this forum.

1542 Ashok Kumar Tyagi October 13, 2023 at 10:38 am

AK ji,
Happy to be back on this column, after a while.
As per habit I submit a request:
Could we have a full post on Ram Lal, the famous MD of films Sehra, Geet Gaya Patthron Ne etc. I was told recently that he was a brilliant musician who played sarangi and flute in several great hits including Mughal-e-Azam.
Regards.

1543 AK October 13, 2023 at 12:53 pm

Tyagi ji,
You can be sure your request has been noted.

1544 R Vasudevan December 31, 2023 at 7:07 pm

Happy new Year to all SOY members.

1545 AK January 1, 2024 at 12:54 pm

Mr Vasudevan,
Thanks a lot for your greetings and wishing you the same.

1546 N Venkataraman February 21, 2024 at 2:52 pm

Ameen Sayani, who enthralled millions of listeners with his iconic “Binaca Geetmala” radio programme, passed away peacefully today at the age of 91. May his soul rest in peace.

1547 AK February 21, 2024 at 10:06 pm

Ameen Sayani was himself an important personality for popularisation of Hindi film music. His passing away is a big loss. RIP Ameen Sayani.

1548 R Vasudevan March 1, 2024 at 9:57 am

When we were young we had listened to Ameen Sayani’s radio programs regularly and some of us may have seen him in action in Film related shows, His passing way not only brings back our memories to some extent but also we realize a link to our past is cut. Such was the impact of late Ameen Sayani on us. His voice was his asset. .

1549 AK March 1, 2024 at 10:57 am

Mr Vasudevan,
I entirely agree with you. Ameen Sayani was a legendary person to achieve so much as a radio announcer.

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