Guest article by Anita Rupavataram
(There is no upper age limit for falling in love. As our octogenarian love guru, DP Rangan, has explained in his recent series of articles, love entails going through different phases: ecstasy, agony, flippancy, and finally when the things go wrong, shikwa/shikayat. This has led to a mushroom growth of counsellers and self-proclaimed relationship experts.
Our guest author Anita Rupavataram is rightly sceptical of such experts. She cites some literary sources, too, in her support. Nevertheless, this has not deterred Bollywood, and we have several songs in the nature of an advisory to the lovers.
Anita had debuted as a guest author on SOY in February 2022. This is her second article for the blog. She also writes her own blog of which I am a regular follower. Anita writes very well as you can see from her uncluttered style. Therefore, when she offered to write for SOY on this theme, I had no hesitation in welcoming it as it fitted very well with the series by the Love Guru. Thank you Anita, for an excellent article. – AK)
One of the sections I consciously avoid in any book store is that on self-help books. Belonging to a generation where there were no life coaches and relationship experts during the growing up years, life as it rolled out was (and is still) the biggest advisor and teacher. Thus, there is no connect with such self-improvement books. Today, however, there is no dearth of specialists who could advice you on just about anything under the sun. This is more the case with so many social media platforms mushrooming.
Oscar Wilde wrote in his play An Ideal Husband, “I always pass on good advice. It is the only thing to do with it. It is never of any use to oneself“. As long as one does not have to walk the talk, one can generously part with pearls of wisdom to all and sundry. I am reminded of an iconic scene from Jab We Met where the Station Master starts reeling out unsolicited advice – Akeli ladki khuli tijori ki tarah hoti hai – after the heroine misses the train and seeks his assistance. The gutsy heroine shuts him up by asking him whether the advice is free of cost or has a price tag attached to it as she has no change to part with.
When advice is solicited about matters of the heart, there is no inadequacy of it. Shakespeare’s poem A lover’s complaint is quite topical here. A lover’s complaint is a compressed poem detailing the predicament of an abandoned female lover who laments her undoing at the hands of an unscrupulous male seducer. She explains how advice does not help in matters of the heart and how it only whets the appetite of the lover furthermore.
…Counsel may stop awhile what will not stay;
For when we rage, advice is often seen
By blunting us to make our wits more keen.
‘Nor gives it satisfaction to our blood,
That we must curb it upon others’ proof;
To be forbod the sweets that seem so good,
For fear of harms that preach in our behoof….
(Advice only delays us when we’re set on something. When we are angry, advice — trying to calm us down — ends up making us angrier. And advice cannot satisfy our desires, when we rein them in because someone told us to. It is like being forbidden to eat delicious candy, which we don’t eat because we are afraid of punishment someone has preached about on our behalf. Source : https://www.litcharts.com/shakescleare/)
The relationship advisor is a common character in our films. The protagonist or his/her close friend often dons this role and ably guides the one who seeks advice. Be it in writing love letters, gifting, fixing a rendezvous and many other such allied tasks – advice is always solicited and readily given. But how can one forget Col. Julius Nagendranath Wilfred Singh (Ashok Kumar) of Chhoti Si Baat, whose mission was to professionally assist those who had fallen in love. Colonel Singh through meticulously designed lesson plans and “hands on” training in courtship brings about a positive change in the personality of the protagonist and finally helps him win over the heroine. The character of Colonel Singh is unique and Ashok Kumar is impeccable as the life and relationship coach.
There is also the familiar situation of the possessive or precautious lover advising the counterpart about what to do or what not to. Against this background, I shall now set out to list songs where advice is given in matters of the heart.
1. Mohabbat ki raahon mein chalna sambhal keby Md. Rafi from Udan Khatola (1955), lyrics Shakeel Badayuni, music Naushad.
Here’s Dilip Kumar who is already in love with Nimmi, trying to warn Surya Kumari, the queen, to tread carefully on the path of love. He is obliquely trying to suggest to the infatuated queen that he is already spoken for. One can see a jealous and insecure Nimmi, lurking in the background trying to shoot an arrow as Dilip Kumar sings very prophetically – Na yoon teer phenkon nishaana badal ke. The queen does not seem to be interested in taking the cue and thus ignores the sane advice of Dilip Kumar.
2. Babuji dheere chalna by Geeta Dutt from Aar Paar (1954), lyrics Majrooh Sultanpuri, music O.P.Nayyar.
This club song from Aar Paar featuring Shakila, gives practical advice. After warning that there is a lot of deceit on the path of love, Majrooh, the lyricist of the song says – Ho gayi ho kisi se jo anban, thaam le doosra koi daaman (if you have broken up with one, find another). The foot tapping music and the spirited dance of Shakila have made this song evergreen.
3. Dil use do jo jaan de de by Md. Rafi and Asha Bhosle from Andaz (1971), lyrics Hasrat Jaipuri, music Shankar-Jaikishan.
The advice in this party song is very sane and comes straight from the heart. The mukhda means that you must give your heart to someone who loves you dearly and can do anything for you. One should part with one’s heart only after analysing whether the other person values it enough. Though picturized as a new year party, the song has sublime thoughts embedded. I love the way musical instruments are played one after another throughout the song.
4. Ma ne kaha tha o beta by Shailendra Singh from Chacha Bhatija (1977), lyrics Anand Bakshi, music Laxmikant-Pyarelal.
This piece of advice comes from a mother to her son – firstly not to fall in love and, if love finds him, then not to fear the world. This advice, it appears, is drawn from experience and thus is reliable. It is about being committed and supportive. This is a song picturized on Randhir Kapoor and Yogita Bali.
5. Bade miyan deewanee aise na bano by Md. Rafi & Manna De from Shagird (1967), lyrics Majrooh Sultanpuri, music Laxmikant-Pyarelal.
The word Shagird means ‘pupil’ or ‘disciple’. Here is I.S.Johar as Joy Mukherjee’s Shagird learning practical lessons of how to fall in love. Joy, his guru, gives him all the advice that he can in matters of the heart. He grooms him and gets him on to an exercise regimen. Towards the end of the song, Johar is out on his own but barks up the wrong tree. Dressed in complete western formals, he makes a fool of himself, stuttering and stammering each time he is too close for comfort with Saira – who, incidentally, is Joy’s love interest. The lyrics and the picturisation are fantastic.
6. Tum akele to kabhi baag mein jay ana karo by Md. Rafi & Lata Mangeshkar from Ao Pyaar Karein (1964), lyrics Rajendra Krishan, music Usha Khanna.
This sweet romantic duet featuring Saira Bano and Joy Mukherji is a stage song, where they give each other advice about where not to go and what not to do. The song is all about what is taboo and the consequences of disregarding the advice in a very light hearted manner. At some level, the advice is of course tendered to pull each other’s legs and lacks seriousness. Rajendra Krishna comes up with very imaginative lyrics.
7. Teri pyari pyari surat ko by Md.Rafi from Sasuraal (1961), lyrics Hasrat Jaipuri, music Shankar-Jaikishan.
This song which won Rafi a Filmfare Award and made it to the top of the chart, is penned by the diehard romantic lyricist Hasrat Jaipuri. He apparently wrote the mukhda while referring to his son Akhtar, who was the apple of his eye. While this song is about praising the lover, there is also a piece of advice thrown in, both in the mukhda and the antaras – of how the beloved must protect herself from the nazar (evil eye) of the mirror, the weather, herself and so on.
8. Jhuka ke sar ko bolo by Asha Bhosle & Sapan Chakraborty from Satte Pe Satta (1982), lyrics Gulshan Bawra, music R.D. Burman.
This is again a song that gives advice along with basic training about how to impress a lady and fall in love. Hema Malini tries to civilize her savage brothers-in-law by educating them in etiquette and gentlemanly behaviour. A touch of western classical music and dance along with conversation interspersed in between the song makes it lovable. The credit for such improvisation undoubtedly goes to R.D.Burman.
9. Soch samajhkar dil ko lagana sung by Geeta Dutt from Jaal (1952), lyrics Sahir Ludhiyanvi, music S.D. Burman.
This club song almost similar to the song from Aar Paar (Babuji dheere chalna) cautions those who fall in love. The advice is that one must tread carefully on the path of love for it is difficult to find an honest and committed partner. Dev Anand and Geeta Bali are at the club when this song is sung. It appears that this song is directed at Geeta Bali. I am not sure about the name of the actress (Purnima?) who lip-syncs. The music of the song reminds one of the C. Ramchandra’s tunes of Albela (1951).
10. Is rang badalti duniya mein sung by Md. Rafi from Rajkumar (1964), lyrics Hasrat Jaipuri, music Shankar-Jaikishan.
This song featuring Shammi Kapoor and Sadhana makes you believe that no one can be trusted – even God. The hero feels that the lady must not go out all decked up for the world is full of untrustworthy people. He is not willing to part with her for he does not feel that she will be safe without him. So here’s a possessive and insecure lover who does not want to leave anything to chance and hence gives the lady loads of advice.
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A great writeup with a great selection of songs. Whatever the circumstances , one should be ready for change. Today whoever wants to win , goes in for self help books/media . Many times I use the YouTube. Any blog will go on forever even if it concentrates on this one HFM theme of LOVE. So many posts on love at SOY now .
I add a once popular song that was set in Goa. Those days we did not have many bold women I guess. Mehmood is well meaning but here the lady gets more firm in her resolve as the song moves forward.
‘ Gori chalo na…’/ 1964 / BETI BETE / Hasrat Jaipuri / SJ / Rafi , Asha
https://youtu.be/9YvqtQn_DhU
Anita ji
You have added a nice dimension to Love ballads of Rangan ji .
I find that except for songs 1,2 and 9 all others belong to post 60 period. Was the profession less popular in the vintage and early decade of the golden era?
I think the most memorable love guru was played by Kishor Kumar in Padosan. After realising the futility of being the music guru to Bhola he goes on to lend play back, convince his mama and ultimately plan the fake suicide attempt. And here are few more Kishor songs about love advice
Pyar baantate chalo – Hum sub ustad Hai – Asad Bhopali – LP
https://youtu.be/H43wnqCaPus
You find a similar advice in today’s politics but that has a price tag because it is available in dukaan.
And as an antidote to all the sceptics advising caution with dheere chalo and sambhalke chalna here is Kishor both behind the microphone and on the screen advising with gay abandon
Din jawani ke yaar – Pyar kiye jaa – Rajendra Krishn – LP
https://youtu.be/k7nmIicMwz4
Perhaps this song could be counted here. Dev Anand miserably failed in his efforts to stop her.
‘ Arey yaar meri…’/ 1965 /TEEN DEVIYAN / Majrooh Sultanpuri / SDB / Kishore, Asha
https://youtu.be/M9oQZQvCQqE
Joseph Ji # 1
Thanks a lot for the appreciation! You are right when you say that the theme of love is that which one can explore till the cows come home.
All of us have our own go-to person/books/google devta to get advice, depending on the issue at hand.
Thanks a lot for this song from Beti Bete! There is the man who is advising the lady to be more guarded. But Shubha is totally carefree!
I once heard the interview of Shubha Khote on Vividh Bharati where she said that this song was being shot when she herself was in the process of getting married against her mother’s wishes. She fully identified herself with the character in the song.
Rahul ji # 2
I am glad you liked the new dimension added to love ballads. When in doubt/trouble one must go to someone reliable. And Kishore Kumar in Padosan is indeed the best hands-on guru who does not let his pupil down.
The song from Hum Sab Ustaad hain expands the horizon of love to include empathy and compassion. Such sound advice from Kishore here.
Kishore the comedian is again at his best in Pyaar Kiye Jaa which is a movie with excellent songs and great comedy. The song that you mention is so apt. It is all about living in the present and getting the best out of life.
Joseph ji #3
Thanks for this song from Teen Deviyan!
This song is about sane advice which the lady – who plays the role of a flamboyant actress in the movie – chooses to completely ignore.
This is a nice new topic! I am reminded of the song from KALA BAZAR similar to the one listed from Jaal , Samhalo apna dil dilwalo… I hope this is suitable to the topic .
Good topic,
But I guess, befitting songs are difficult to find!
Would these fit?
Sab kuchh karna is duniya mein – ada
https://youtu.be/LMIeyfYbSpM
Dil ka Karna Aitbaar koi from Halaku
Dil deke dekho title track
Anup
🙂
KB ji# 7
Thanks a lot for this song from Kala Bazaar! It is indeed worth noting that advice is given in club songs – be it from Aar Paar, Jaal or Kala Bazaar.
Anup ji # 8
Thanks, Anupji! You are right when you say that songs on this theme would not be easy to recall. But I guess if one were to think of the different people and contexts in which advice would be tendered, one would find more songs. Club songs, songs by one lover warning the other, songs of the man advising/cautioning the woman and vice versa, songs sung by heartbroken men and women who have learnt the lessons of love the hard way and thus let their experience speak and so on. In fact the song from Devar has these lovely lines by Anand Bakshi –
mujhe kya pataa thaa kabhi ishq mein
raqibon ko qaasid banaate nahin
khataa ho gai mujhse qaasid mere
tere haath paigaam kyun de diyaa
(Raqib meaning a competitor in love and Qaasid meaning messenger) thus implying that the competitor in love must never be made the messenger.)
All the three songs you have suggested are apt – each canvassing the person’s point of view about matters of the heart.
This song is packed with so much of love counselling . But apparently…
Do not know if this fits here.
‘ Dil ko dekho…’/ 1970 / SACHHA JHOOTA / Indeevar / Kalyanji Anandji / Kishore Kumar
https://youtu.be/CoN9LbZS27E
Posting one more song that I am not sure would qualify .
This song was counted as a superhit then.
‘ Pyar deewana hota…’/ 1971 / KATI PATANG / Anand Bakshi / RDB / Kishore
https://youtu.be/wtfRQ76-I7k
There isno dearth of love guru songs in HFM. In fact there are gurus on either side of fence.
Here a mortal singing on the street giving a cautious advice to her partner
Kehta Hai dil rasta mushkil , maloom nahi hai kaha Manzil – Manna Dey
Pyar hua iqarar hua hai- Shree 420- shailendra-SJ – Manna Dey and Lata
https://youtu.be/oXLzfldeDcM
And an immortal kaneej throwing gauntlet at the almighty emporer
Pyar Kiya to darna kya – Mughal-E-Azam – Shakeel- Naushad- Lata
https://youtu.be/5Xif0evTuVk
Or take the case of Helen in Talash
Kar le pyar Karne ke din hai yahi – Majrooh-SDB – Asha
https://youtu.be/s_GV9MPuj80
And it is countered years later by Rishi Kapoor
Meri Umar ke naujawano – Karz – AB – LP- Kishor
https://youtu.be/cBqq_3d_tO0
This may also be love counselling .
Do not know if it gets covered here.
‘ Keh do koi…’/ 1959 / GOONJ UTTHI SHEHNAI / Bharat Vyas / Vasant Desai / Rafi
https://youtu.be/zzyXdC8kFpQ
Mr Joseph, Mr Muli,
In the songs you have posted from @11-14, to my mind the following are clearer love counselling songs. The rest require some interpretation:
Dil ko dekho chehra na dekho;
Meri umar ke naujawaanon;
Kah do koi na kare yahan pyar
The final word is of Anita.
AKji # 15
Thanks for joining the thread of comments, AKji!
Joseph ji # 11, 12, 14,
I would agree with AKji that the songs
Dil ko dekho chehra na dekho and Keh do koi na kare yahaan pyaar qualify – one advising that in love, the focus should be on inner beauty and the other to stay miles away from love as it only brings more sorrow than joy.
The song from Kati Patang – Pyaar Deewaana Hota Hai, I feel is more of a description of love rather than an advisory on it.
Rahul ji # 13
1) Pyaar Hua Iqraar Hua is more of loud thinking I feel. The element of counselling is not very perceptible.
2) Pyaar Kiya To Darna Kya – I feel this is more a song of defiance than one tendering advice.
3) Kar le Pyaar kar le is perfect. The lyrics say it all –
Hi prince
akele ho?
shaadi nahin ki?
pyaar bhi nahin?
hahahaha
inho ne abhi tak pyaar bhi nahin kiya
hmm hmm hmm
kar le pyaar karle ke din hai yahi…
arre pagley
nazar milaa jahaan miley tujhe koi haseen…
aa main tujhe batla doon
ye pyaar ka rasta chalna..
4) Meri Umar Ke Naujawaanon – perfect example of love counselling. Here’s Rishi Kapoor addressing his peers/contemporaries and asking them to not tread the path of love.
Another popular song . This may qualify here.
‘ Ye mard bade…’/ 1957 / MISS MARY / Rajinder Krishan / Hemant Kumar / Lata , Rafi
https://youtu.be/UE_TAc7CpAU
Ms. Anita
Your post is a peach introducing another dimension on the subject of Love. You are a blog maven. The post is well thought out and written and the collection of songs in support thereof is exemplary. I thoroughly enjoyed them.
Here is a male and female version of the song from El Saal(1957), starring Ashok Kumar and Madhubala.
Sub kuch lute ke hosh mein aaye ( Prem Dhawan /Ravi)
In the male version Ashok Kumar’s conscience accuses him of perfidy in love.
https://youtu.be/Xq_JJHMG9ro
Madhubala, an ingenue, realising the deception of Ashok Kumar sings the same song as a jeremiads.
https://youtu.be/RWqKHCZz-qM
interpret the song especially the female version as a warning to all about perils of unrequited love.
Ms. Anita
Song No. 9 from Jaal.
The name of the dancer is – Khammo. Have no other details.
Purnima is also listed in the bevy of actors. Your assumption could be correct. (IMDB)
I think this club song from Gateway of India has a similar tone to that of ‘babuji dheere chalna’
One of the few songs by Geeta Dutt for Madanmohan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qtzwX1IER4
and,
one more club song from post 2000 era
Murder
Dil Ko Hazaar Baar Roka
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMYcNehZVV0
Bachana Zara Yeh Zamana Hai Bura
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON5WPESOTWg
Anup
🙂
Anitaji@10
Yes,
The lines are very beautiful.
and,
indeed your suggestion of club songs made me think of a few befitting songs whch I’ve added.
Anup
🙂
Anita ji,
Multiple sahelis warning:
Main chalee main chalee
Dekho pyar ki gali..
..
Na na na Na na na
Dekho jaana na wahan.
Joseph Ji #18
This song from Miss Mary is no doubt enjoyable, but it is more of a battle of the sexes. I do not think there is any advice being given in this song.
Rangan Ji # 19 and 20
Thanks a lot for the generous praise! I am glad you liked the theme and the song selection. AK ji has arranged our posts very thoughtfully with one aspect of love logically leading to another.
The song from Ek Saal – both versions – are great. Talat’s version is more to do with repentance. Lata’s version I feel is more about being deceived and taken for a ride. It is about betrayal. I feel that advice in the song is not very direct.
Thanks for mentioning the name of the dancer in song # 9, Rangan ji!
Anupji # 21 & 22
The lines of Anand Bakshi in the song from Devar in chaste Urdu have always fascinated me.
The club songs that you add are apt. I guess one angle that is there in many of these club songs is that of being honey trapped. Thus, many a dancer warns the man/woman about this peril in an oblique manner.
The song from Milaap – Bachna Zara Yeh Zamaana Hin Bura – presents the male as well as the female perspective. While it perhaps begins as a song tendering advice (in raahon se jo bhi guzre
soch samajh kar dil ko uchhaale, it ultimately becomes more of a man vs woman song.
I feel another song from Aar Paar is perhaps more gender neutral – Mohabbat Kar Lo Jee Bhar Lo Aji Kisne Roka Hai?
Dr. Shetty #23
Thanks a lot for this wonderful song from Padosan! Despite a group of sahelis warning the lady she has a totally different perspective and does not relent.
I love the use of one line of Bengali Aami Kichhu Bol.. before the last antara which makes the song even more special.
Anitaji,
An excellent post on the Love Gurus of Bollywood songs. I totally agree with your viewpoint on self-help books and the self-proclaiming life coaches rampant on social media.
A song that should fit here
An upset Shashikala recognizes the start of romance between Leela Naidu and Rehman and highlights the perils of a love affair, especially an extra-marital one.
Yeh Raaste Hain Pyaar Ke 1963
Ravi – RK – Asha
Yeh raaste hain pyar ke chalna sambhal sambhal ke
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPf3ffpXdGk
One more club song and Shashikala again….
Phool Aur Patthar 1966
Ravi – Shakeel – Asha
Zindagi mein pyar karna seekh le
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSo7l1M4eag
A feathery Helen is Jubilee Kumar ‘s Love Guru in
Karle pyaar karne ka din hai yahi.
THALASH.
Sanjay Khan and Mumtaz take turns as Love Guru and obedient disciple.
Aao tumhe main pyar sikha doon..
UPASANA
The Diva is singing praises of Pyar karnewale and enumerating Lovers ‘ virtues.Can she be considered a Love Guru? A glamorous one at that.
Pyar karnewale pyar karte hain Shan se..
SHAN
There is love counselling here and this may qualify.
‘Matwala jiya dole…’/ 1957 / MOTHER INDIA / Shakeel Badayuni / Naushad / Rafi , Lata
https://youtu.be/LCZF5ajp6CA
Dr. Deshpande # 28 & 29
Thanks a lot for appreciating and seconding my views on self-help books and life/relationship coaches.
The songs of Shashikala – one very sober and the other glamorous are apt for the theme. There are so many dark facets of love too that are being uncovered here from honey trapping to adultery.
The club singers indeed are love gurus but are in an altogether different league.
Dr. Shetty #30, 31 & 32
The song from Talash is apt; Rahulji @ 13 has also mentioned it.
The song from Upaasana of course is perfect and advises on viewing love as something divine; it is about being emotionally connected with the person you love.
The song from Shaan I feel is more of a commentary/description of love like Pyaar Deewana Hota Hai from Kati Patang. Not able to put my finger on the advice being given in this song.
Joseph ji # 33
This song is apt. The lyrics which carry advice I feel are:-
karna hai to kar pyaar
na dar
beeti umar aayegi na kal
arre paagal
arre paagal
Anita ji, Pradeep ji
Pradeep ji has posted aao tumhe main pyar sikha du where Sanjay Khan is teaching Mumtaz. Here is Dev Anand engaged in the same activity and the pupil is Vaijayanti mala
Phalsapha pyar ka – Duniya – Hasarat – SJ – Rafi
https://youtu.be/g8t76WtSNIY
And Nutan explaining finer aspects of platonic love to Manish
Chhod de sari duniya – Saraswati Chandra – Indeevar -KA – Lata
Tan se tan ka Milan ho na paye to kya
Man se man ka Milan koi Kam to nahi
https://youtu.be/9urZBwBTsig
And as usual I have a Mehdi Hassan gazal advocating strict denial
Yaro kisi katil se kabhi pyar na karna – Quateel Shifai
https://youtu.be/eK64Azv7VOQ
Anita,
A well thought out topic rendered in a masterly manner. The songs are all representative and popular. As you rightly said this love counselling has been one of the themes regularly present in our cinema. You mentioned Chhoti Se Baat, which was a good example. But, in my view the best example of this is the great comic film Padosan. It is certainly a favourite with AK too and I dont know why this did not occur to any one of you. This film is, from start to finish, nothing but love counselling. The hero is a simpleton like his name (Bhola) and the heroine too cannot pass her 8th Board exams. KK and his mandali are all crazy lot, coming up with crazy solutions. One song from that film has been posted already. I would post here another which is representative of the counselling going on in the film and that is ‘meri pyari bindu’:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4lmVu1u0fE
You posted a Dilip Kumar song at the top. Here is another song filmed on him, from film Babul with starting lines ‘husnwalon ko na dil do’ by Talat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5kJiT2R81w
A similar advice coming from female side can be seen in Sheesh Mahal song ‘husnwalon ki galiyon men’ by Shamshad. Coincidentally both films came in 1950.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ot1611GoUQ
Your fifth song was an advice from hero Joy Mukherjee to comedian IS Johar as Shagird, but in the film Joy was Shagird of Johar who was initially against marriage. Here in film Pyar Ka Bandhan, a comedian Dhumal is given advice by another comedian Johny Walker in which Dhumal also gives his response. The song is ‘sambhal kar ishq farmana’ by Rafi and Balbir.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ID6Qt7Zww04&pp=ygUacHlhciBrYSBiYW5kaGFuIDE5NjMgc29uZ3M%3D
There was a Dev Anand-Vyjyantimala film Duniya in which Dev Anand gives a love lesson. ‘Falsafa pyar ka tum kya jano’ is the song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8t76WtSNIY
In the same song Johny Walker thinks he is a love guru and ends being woman handled by three. ‘Tu hi meri laxmi tu hi meri chhaya’ is also sung by Rafi.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1bINksPrVM
‘Hum tum jise kehta hai shadi’ is from Kaagaz ke Phool where JW counsels against marriage in the presence of Meenu Mumtaz and ends up with the same fate as in the previous song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4BfxFo6-lk
In total contrast to the previous song here in the song ‘o dilwalo matwalo humse shadi karwa lo’ from Taqdeer, he is advertising himself as a marriage counsellor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt5ZpcVyJWI&
In the last comment on song 2 read ‘in the same film’ instead of ‘in the same song’.
Some songs in which advice is being given to the female for being under age or inexperienced.
Aabhi kamsin ho – Aaya Toofan – Rafi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpuxxIsjcJk
When she was spurned by the lover she went to her sahelis, who gave the same advice in ‘baby tu chhoti hai’ from Pyar ki Kahani.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmpl9q8PEug
These sahelis wont let her go easily even when she is married.
‘Itni jaldi kya hai gori – Sati Savitri – Lata, Kamal Barot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHiW6G8OG-g&
A popular song. Though given in a drunken state , the message is evergreen and cannot be missed . This song is also famous for the mesmerising use of the saxophone.
‘ Hai duniya ussi…’/ 1964 / KASHMIR KI KALI / SH Bihari /OPN /Rafi
https://youtu.be/7n6vKi-xonQ
Rahul ji # 37
Thanks for this song from Duniya! I was hoping someone would mention this song. Here is Dev Anand explaining the philosophy of love, thus donning the role of friend, philosopher and guide – all to promote the cause of love!
The song from Saraswati Chandra on platonic love is indeed of a different kind. It echoes the idea expressed in Faiz Ahmad Faiz’s famous Nazm
और भी दुख हैं ज़माने में मोहब्बत के सिवा
(There are other pains in life than that of love,)
राहतें और भी हैं वस्ल की राहत के सिवा
(There are other joys too, besides the joy of union)
मुझ से पहली सी मोहब्बत मेरे महबूब न मांग
(My Beloved, please do not expect the same love from me now)
I am reminded of a song of Nutan’s from Yaadgaar (same music director, playback singer and lyricist) saying just the opposite- Ji Path Pe Chala Uss Path Pe Mujhe.
Mehdi Hasan’s ghazal is really qaatilaana!
Hans Ji # 38-41
Thanks a lot for your insightful comments! Padosan actually did not strike me though I had written an entire post on Padosan’s music. This is चिराग तले अंधेरा! But Rahul Ji @ No. 2 pointed out the best love guru of all times – Kishore Kumar in Padosan.
The songs from Sheesh Mahal and Babul are spot on. I had always thought husn was used only for feminine beauty. These songs amply prove that ‘husn’ is gender neutral.
Rafi and Balbir’s Qawaali is really hilarious – अंधे अंधा ठेलिया दोनों कूप पडंत !
The song from Duniya is indeed apt. Rahul ji has also mentioned it @ 37
Tu hi meri Laxmi reminds me of the movie Humraahi where Rajendra Kumar is doing something similar in the beginning of the film. This is three-timing!
I have not dwelt on marriage in this post. I stopped with courtship. There is no doubt that the same sentiments of advocating and opposing marriage – a concomitant/extension of love – would be there in several songs (yaar tum shaadi mat karna of Mehmood for example)
All the three songs that you mention about the girl being naïve and thus needing guidance add another dimension to love counselling. I hope there is similar advice for boys too!
Joseph ji # 42
This is a gem from Kashmir Ki Kali but I feel it is more about eulogizing love rather than advising someone about love.
A popular song then but rarely heard now. Times have also changed . Here the lady is insisting on going ahead even though the man has fears . Could be covered here.
‘ Din hai bahar …’/1965 / WAQT / Sahir Ludhyanvi / Ravi / Asha, Mahendra Kapoor
https://youtu.be/hPpEx-_JWRE
Anita,
Yes I wholly missed Rahul’s post. He has similar likes to me as is seen in ‘falsafa pyar ka’. If I had seen that I would not have mentioned Padosan.
Regarding marriage, I think there should not be any prohibition, because in India of old love was very uncommon except in films. But the songs I mentioned were of pre marriage.
From boys if you mean boys of lesser age then it may not be possible to find such songs. In our films baali umar of females was an important theme and in songs they frequently mentioned ‘mera chhota sa dil’ or ‘nanha sa dil’, which was not the case with males. Male to male advice songs are already posted. I also posted songs from Pyar Ka Bandhan and Kaagaz ke Phool. Another I give here from Phir Subah Hogi where a friend gives advice to another friend and he retorts. The song is ‘jis pyar men ye haal ho’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orLKyuR1mlk
Another song giving advice to males is from Ye Zindagi Kitni Haseen Hai, which meticulously gives step by step advice to male lovers on how to approach a lady.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_huk28fM4
‘Meri umar ke naujawano’ from Karz asks young boys to keep away from love.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBqq_3d_tO0
Here are some songs which are damning Mohabbat.
Mohabbat ke dhokhe men – Badi Behan – Rafi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbMxxHz-bDA
Laanat hai aisi mohabbat pe pyare – Holiday In Bombay – Rafi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNFlotBpSMA
Sabse mehngi cheej mohabbat – Anjaan – Rafi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZ5WNvFVhIM
A very famous song of love prohibition is ‘pardesiyon se na ankhiyan milana’ from Jab Jab Phool Khile. Both versions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hs9us0xln-M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gzZPoylPI4
Anita ji
Hans ji has mentioned O meri pyari bindoo in which at one point Mukri interjects ” Guru , Anuradha nahi Bindoo”
Here is an unusual song from Chashme buddoor (1981)
The song provides several synonyms for love in different languages including one in French. It also lays down the basic qualification required for a love guru.
Dhai akkhar Jo padh jaye
Fajil , aalim guru kahalaye
Pyar lagawat, pranay , mohobbat – Indu Jain – Rajkamal – Anandkumar C. Shailendra Singh and Hariharan
https://youtu.be/bUoRYNaz8Qo
Another song that could be covered here..
‘ Iss duniye mein…’/ 1965 / GUMNAAM / Hasrat Jaipuri / SJ / Lata
https://youtu.be/tKodgq-1TgY
Joseph Ji # 46
This song from Waqt is a duet with the man trying to say that there are other things to worry about in life apart from love and the woman saying that one must fall in love and enjoy life in its entirety. Two different points of view are juxtaposed very effectively in the song.
Yes I wholly missed Rahul’s post. He has similar likes to me as is seen in ‘falsafa pyar ka’. If I had seen that I would not have mentioned Padosan. The song from Karz has also been mentioned by Rahul ji at # 13.
Great minds think alike!!
All the songs you mention are apt, Hans ji! Some of them were not known to me.
The song from Yeh Zindagi Kitni Haseen Hai is almost like the song from Satte pe Satta.
Rahul ji # 49
Hans ji has mentioned O meri pyari bindoo in which at one point Mukri interjects ” Guru , Anuradha nahi Bindoo”
Kishore Kumar is undoubtedly the guru. And incidentally his name in the movie is Vidyapati. Though Kishore’s love life is not a part of Padosan’s plot, Vidyapati and Anuradha are names that appear to have been chosen very consciously.
I am reproducing a part of my post on Padosan (link https://anitamultitasker.wordpress.com/2022/07/03/vintage-era-music-relived-in-films/)
…….Like I said earlier, Padosan is the movie which is replete with vintage era music and references. It is interesting to note that Kishore Kumar’s character is called Vidyapati in the movie. His love story is obviously not the focus of the movie but there are sequences and songs where he refers to Anuradha. Anuradha is one of Saira Banu’s friends who calls his bluff. This sub-plot of course is never developed. Interestingly, Vidyapati is a famous movie made in 1937 by New Theatres based on the life of the famous Mithila poet Vidyapati. One of Vidyapati’s followers was called Anuradha. This role was essayed by Kanan Devi. Thus, the names of the characters were not picked up randomly in Padosan. In fact, when he sings the song Meri Pyaari Bindu in typical Baul style, he inadvertently utters the name ‘Anuradha‘ and his naatak mandali tells him it is Bindu, not Anuradha….
Thanks for this song from Chasme Baddoor. The other songs of this movie have perhaps overshadowed this one. What also is rather baffling is that the lyricist Indu Jain only wrote songs for 3 films of Sai Paranjpye – Katha, Sparsh and Chasme Baddoor. I wonder why she was not prolific! She wrote such beautiful lyrics.
Joseph ji # 50
Thanks for this song from Gumnaam! I feel the song is more about enjoying life and merry making rather than advice about falling in love. The reference to falling in love seems to be only incidental.
Back to songsofyore after ages. Was elated to see the activity and posts here. Interesting article. I feel Loveguru songs are dime a dozen in movie songs. Many have been posted here. But couldn’t find a mention of these two songs (or did I miss it?)
Dil ka lagana acha hai par kabhi kabhi from Patanga
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7H2-gMLicX0
Dile deke dekho dil deke dekho ji from Dil Deke Dekho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4__UkbGW_T4
Hope they qualify for the subject
Praveen,
Welcome to SOY again and thanks a lot for your appreciation. Both the songs cited by you are perfect fit.
Anita
cc. Friends,
You have cited Chhoti Si Baat. I just re-saw Piya Ka Ghar from the same House, and this also had a Love Guru, in a more more funny and less in-your-face manner. Newly married Anil Dhawan and Jaya Bhaduri have to find privacy in a large joint family, living in a small flat in Bombay. His office colleague, Paintal, assumes the role of a Love Guru. At every failed attempt to intimacy, Paintal gives some tips, which leads to more hilarious failure. An exasperated Anil Dhawan is on the verge of beating his friend.
There are many songs on the theme, and there are a large number of films too, having a place for Love Guru. Take Sangam. Having failed repeatedly at her attempts to express her love to Rajendra Kumar, Vyjayanthimala has to take the help of her saheli, who assumes the role of a Love Guru. Vyjayanthimala writes a love letter without any salutation and, accompanied by her saheli, goes up to the roof and throws down the letter to the passing car of her silent lover. But it misses the target, and instead lands in the cycle-basket of the obsessive and garrulous lover Raj Kapoor.
Sahelis and sisters of a shy and modest heroine had to step in to help the love birds drop their reserve. The same was the case with men. I find that in the romantic movies of Gen Z, too, the lovers need their gang to facilitate the relationship. The only difference is that now between ‘single’ and ‘married’, there are many intermediate stages of relationship. Therefore, when they say taking the relationship to the next level, they mean it literally.
Hema Malini tried repeatedly to be the Love Guru of SANYASI.
Chal Sanyasi…
Sun Bal Brahmachari…
When he has become a DUS NUMBRI, she remembers her mother:s advice not to fall in love.
Prem ka rog bada bura
Maka naka ga bai…
Pradeep ji
Same Hema in Dillagi says
Prem hai, Prem hai Piya man ki madhur ek bhavana -Yogesh – Rajesh Roshan -Lata and Nitin Mukesh
https://youtu.be/jdq9PPIEm9I
Rahul@59,
The same Hema Malini says ‘ABCD chhodo naina se naina jodo’ in Raja Jani.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RVtijLPr8g
Anita ji , Hans ji
If Hema advises to shun ABCD and get into eye lock, Her contemporary Vinod Khanna in chaste Hindi pleads to begin (Shree Ganesh)
Priye Praneshwari – Hum tum aur Woh – Verma Malik – KA – Kishor Kumar
https://youtu.be/TOPHwQhwHNw
One more Hema song…
Hema with Shashi K trying to convince/counsel a bitter AB as to how mohabbat bade kaam ki cheez hai
Trishul 1978
Khayyam – Sahir- Lata, KK, Yesudas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOZSCV1W-lI
AK ji,
Sahelis and sisters of a shy and modest heroine had to step in to help the love birds drop their reserve. The same was the case with men. I find that in the romantic movies of Gen Z, too, the lovers need their gang to facilitate the relationship.
I had watched Piya Ka Ghar a long time ago. Paintal’s advice does not achieve the desired results unlike that of Ashok Kumar of Chhoti Si Baat, who is an experienced campaigner.
Sahelis and sisters of a shy and modest heroine had to step in to help the love birds drop their reserve.
While this is usually the case, in Bimal Roy’s Prem Patra (1962), it is the heroine (Sadhana) who writes love letters on behalf of her distant relative (Seema Deo) on her insistence, to the man (Shashi Kapoor) the relative is engaged to. As one would expect, Sadhana loves Shashi Kapoor but a misunderstanding created by an earlier letter while in medical college has made him dislike her. Thus, the movie is aptly titled Prem Patra! And of course in the end, the Qaasid becomes the mehbooba after becoming an unwitting Raqeeb.
I find that in the romantic movies of Gen Z, too, the lovers need their gang to facilitate the relationship. The only difference is that now between ‘single’ and ‘married’, there are many intermediate stages of relationship. Therefore, when they say taking the relationship to the next level, they mean it literally.
I think Gen Z speaks more about relationship status which as you rightly say is very nebulous. I am not sure marriage freezes the relationship status, though ideally it should.
Rahul ji, Dr. Shetty, Dr.Deshpande, Hans ji
The various avataars of Hema Malini are indeed interesting. The Satte pe Satta song in my list of ten is perhaps the most experienced of all these avataars after having been there and done that?!
Khara Khota 1981
Babla – Indeevar – Asha
Zara karke to dekho mere yaar kya hai pyar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGcEtrQhTLw
There is also another version – male one by KK
kabhi hoti nahin hai jiski haar wo to hai pyar
Rekha advising against love…
Apna Bana Lo 1982
LP – AB – Lata
Dekho koi pyar na karna
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeVQ2RR0kTE
The Anitaji’s well-presented and equally plain speaking article and avalanche of the songs in support of both sides the advice providers and advice seekers in the matter of heart – i.e. love, not the cardiac ones!- would have certainly generated a chaotic churn in their minds.
Ms. Anita
How would you rate a song which gives an education of what is love and its relevance in human existence. Here is one from Parchain in the silken voice of Talat Mahmood, Noor Lucnavi/C Ramchandra –
Muhobbat hee no so samjhe pyar kya jane
https://youtu.be/mUtsWBLonSk
In the picture Shanta Ram blinded by the gun discharge by chote rani Jayashree, in whose palace he is convalescing, gives a lecture on the impact on falling in love on an individual through this song. Each antara is different and the interludes are appropriately designed. Sitar has been used splendidly. This is one of the gems of Talat Mahmood and based on raag Bageshri, a favourite of C. Ramchandra.
–
Ms. Anita
Here is a duet from Chaal Baaz (1958) – Anjum Jaipuri/Chitragupt sung by Geeta Dutt and Mohammad Rafi
Ho chat mangni to pat shadee
https://youtu.be/i_mjIQHa67E
The lady is laying a honey trap and is trying to induce the male to commit hara kiri, but the astute male expresses the perils of being in a marital state. The male is giving a warning about of perils of marriage and its aftermath. It is a sort of cautionary education.
Ranganji
It is indeed one of the best songs of Talat.
C Ramchandra again but in rageshri composes a counter by Beena Roy in Anarkali
Mohobbat aisi dhadkan hai Jo samajhai nahi jati – Hasarat – Lata
https://youtu.be/09uo2EdhkhE
Muliji
You have posted another song in similar vein to that of Parchain. All 13 songs of Anarkali are master pieces.
Many hindi songs are a mixture of more than a raag. This song also has got traces of raags – Maaj Kamaj and Maaru Behag (ref. Hindi cine raags by Dr. K. L. Pandey).
Rahul @61
In the morning when I posted the song @60, I was in a hurry. That song had come to my mind in response to another song from film Bombay Ka Chor. The mukhda was ‘hello hello ji, pyar ki sikha do mujhe ABC’. This a very comic song and was popular for some days, but later it fell out of memory and songs like ‘hai bahare bag duniya chand roj’ and ‘hasrat hi rahi humse bhi kabhi koi pyar karta’ lasted long. Here is the link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OIOm06iY5c
DP Rangan,
The song from Parchhain was one of the first songs which came to my mind. I looking for some grouping and you posted it. This song is out of this world and is one of my favourite Talat songs. You have described it beautifully. Perhaps the closest song that comes to it is ‘balma bada nadan re, preet ki na jane pehchan re’ which is also a CR gem.
Now some duets in which the pair is discussing some love counselling tips.
First, a song from Laadla, ‘paas aakar to na yun sharmaiye’. The very sweet song is filmed on Sudhir, who was the blind boy in Dosti, and Kumud Chhagani, who though beautiful appeared in just a few films.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDnAenNpFKc
Now it is ‘aap yun hi agar huse milte rahe’ from Ek Musafir Ek Haseena. In the previous song the hero was asking her to open up, but here he is giving the opposite advice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlU7BmgLnz0
In the next duet from Neela Akash, ‘aapko pyar jatane ki’, both are advising each other to change the approach towards love.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SfzLkvHU24
In ‘isharon isharon men’ from Kashmir ki Kali, both are seeking the source of the coaching centre where the other went to learn the tactics of love. In the antara Sharmila advocates against openly ‘pyar jatana’ when she says
‘mohabbat jo karte hain wo mohabbat jatate nahin
dhadkanen apne dil ki kabhi kisi ko sunate nahin
maja kya raha jabke khud kar diya ho
mohabbat ka ijhar apni jaban se’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNsNuCitZys
Here are two songs released in the year 1964 , created by two entirely different teams , and says… if in love , then share … .
Do not know if these songs get covered here.
The piano has been played by some unknown .
‘ Tum apna ranjo…’/ 1964 / SHAGOON / Sahir Ludhyanvi / Khayyam / Jagjit Kaur
https://youtu.be/A8Yr1OOeOT8
In continuation from # 75, the 2nd song …
‘ Agar mujhse mohabbat…’/ 1964 / AAP KI PARCHHAIYAN / Raja Medi Ali Khan / Madan Mohan / Lata
https://youtu.be/gfDf-IrA5oQ
Hans ji
I listened to hello hello ji for the first time. It is quite enjoyable.
You have posted a duet from Ek Musafir Ek Hasina. There is a solo from the same film in which Joy explains the finer layers of Mohobbat
Mujhe dekh kar aapka muskurana, mohobbat nahi hai to aur kya hai – SH Bihari – OPN – Rafi
https://youtu.be/MLgvTcs_tt8
And the feeling in the song from Kasmir ki Kali is also expressed in the gazal
Kaun kehta hai Mohobbat ki juba hoti hai – Sahir hoshiyarpuri – Jagjeet and Chitra
https://youtu.be/Ab8XDvhAp_o
Hans
Thanks for appreciating the song I posted from Parchain. I heard this song long back and immediately purchased a LP of all songs of the film even though I had no gramaphone to play it. I saw the movie too. It was quite good even as a tragedy.
Here is a song from Milap (1953), Shakeel Badauni/N Dutta sung by Geeta Dutt and Mohammad Rafi and chorus
Bachna zarayeh zamana hai bura
https://youtu.be/SJtwh5epN58
No live video. Both singers are warning about perils of falling in love.
Dr Deshpande # 65 & 66
Thanks for these two songs! I have not heard them before; it is nice to get a flavour of the 1980s.
Ashok Ji @ 67
Anitaji’s well-presented and equally plain speaking article and avalanche of the songs in support of both sides the advice providers and advice seekers in the matter of heart – i.e. love, not the cardiac ones!- would have certainly generated a chaotic churn in their minds
Thanks, Ashok ji! But I see that you have very astutely skirted the issue by not taking any side and opting to be fence sitter. I am sure with so many doctors as a part of the SOY family, all matters of the heart will be well taken care of!
Rangan ji # 68 & 69
I too love the song from Parchain but I have a bone to pick up with the lyricist of the song. The opening line actually could have been written differently as mohabbat and pyaarmean the same. I had written a post in Hindi where this song was also discussed. Here’s the link. https://anitamultitasker.wordpress.com/2021/06/20/%e0%a4%b2%e0%a5%9e%e0%a5%8d%e0%a5%9b%e0%a5%8b%e0%a4%82-%e0%a4%ae%e0%a5%87%e0%a4%82-%e0%a4%ab%e0%a5%87%e0%a4%b0-%e0%a4%ac%e0%a4%a6%e0%a4%b2-%e0%a4%95%e0%a5%81%e0%a4%9b-%e0%a5%9e%e0%a4%bf%e0%a4%b2/
The song I feel is an attempt to chide the lady and at the same time eulogise love.
The song from Chaal Baaz is lovely! There is a debate about commitment in love which the lady is prepared for but not the man. It goes beyond courtship and deals with formalizing love.
Hans Ji # 74
These lovely duets have compelled me to add two more of the same kind :-
Bikhraake Zulfen Chaman Mein Na Jaana from Nazraana
bikhra ke zulfe chaman mein na jaana, kyon
is liye, ki sharma na jaaye phulon ke saaye
mohabbat ke nagme tum bhi na gaana,kyon
is liye, ki bhanvra tumhaari hansi na udaaye
https://youtu.be/H6V25nDXpSw
and
Tere Pyaar Ka aasra chaahta Hun from Dhool Ka phool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NgyeN0Fjus
zara soch lo dil lagaane se pehale
ki khona bhi padata hai paane ke pehale
ijaazat to le lo zamaane se pehale
ki tum husn ko poojana chaahte ho
bade naasamajh, ho yeh kyaa chaahte ho?
Joseph ji #75 & 76
Thanks for these songs which advise sharing of one’s sorrows with the beloved! In love you find an all weather companion!
Rahul @ 77,
This Bombay Ka Chor song I discovered when I researched Ravi. This song,to some extent, conforms to the demand of Anita @ 44 for a song where a boy is advised. Here she even asks him to keep an aaya for singing lories for him. Such songs we were listening daily without connecting them like this, but thanks to Anita we have become aware of another aspect of them.
The Ek Musafir Ek Hasina song you mentioned is a natural sequence of the first song. Lyricists in those days wrote songs which were internally connected as per the story of the film. The ghazal you posted fits to the theme which has a number of beautiful songs in our films. One of them was in the same film which explored the same idea beautifully in the second antara of the Asha Bhosle song ‘udhar wo chaal chalte hain’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_enOF07_P8
DP Rangan @ 78,
Here is a song from Mughale Azam, which was sung by the queen herself but was overshadowed by her other more popular songs. The song is ‘ae ishq ye sab duniyawale’. This songs uses almost the same type of arguments used in the Parchhain song for advocating in the opposite direction.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJzwapdk2Cs
Milap was released in 1955 and was N Dutta’s first film. This was produced by the same producer who produced Jaal-1952, for which SDB was the composer and N Dutta his assistant. A number of the Jaal team worked in this one also and they decided perhaps to give the same feel to the music. ‘Ye baharon ka sama’ was counter to ‘ye raat ye chandani fir kahan’ and this group song was like ‘chori chori meri gali aana hai bura’. If you look at N Dutta’s career he was very good at group songs with western type of picturisation. There was another hit film of N Dutta released later in that year Marine Drive. This film too had a group song ‘muhabbat yun bhi hoti hai’ which would fit in the category under discussion in this post.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Nr6Ilg2xLo
Anita ji
Two diametrically opposite advisors
Heartbroken Rajendra Kumar
Keh do koi na kare yaha pyar – Goonj Uthi Shehnai – Bharat Vyas – Vasant Desai – Rafi
https://youtu.be/zzyXdC8kFpQ
Pleading Dev Anand
Sun le tu dil ki sada – Tere Ghar Ke Samne – Hasarat -SDB- Rafi
https://youtu.be/5oLwVcEBWaw
Hans Ji # 84, AKji
Thanks a l0t for this song! Very practical advice being tendered here! I am happy that this post has made everyone do some lateral thinking and list songs – some known and some unknown – from a new perspective.
Rahul Ji # 86
The song from Goonj Uthi Shehnai has already figured in earlier (Joseph ji # 14).
The song from Tere Ghar Ke Saamne is about love in a more generic context. It is addressed to two bickering neighbours who cannot stand each other. Perhaps the song pyaar baante chalo (you had mentioned earlier @2) is a comparable and also Jyot se jyot jagaake chalo from Sant Gyaneshwar?
Anita @ 81,
I have gone through your post on ‘lafjon men pher badal’. I would try to respond to that thought provoking post separately in your blog. For the present I would like to say that poetry or lyrics are not like prose. In poetry everything is not said in detail sequence like prose. Some things are understood from the missing words. When you read poetry of the great poets of the past like Shakespeare or Kalidas or Ghalib, you will find the same trend. To me ‘mohabbat hi na jo samjhe wo jalim pyar kya jane’ would mean ‘jo vyakti mohabbat ka matlab hi na jaanta ho wo pyar karna kaise jaan sakta hain’. So I find no irregularity in the lyrics which not only convey the right meaning but also conform to the rhyming pattern of other words. I would rate the lyrics of this song very high and an achievement for Noor Lucknawi.
Here I would refer to the part of the poem of Shakespeare you mentioned in your post and its translation. The translator there has translated ‘when we rage’ as ‘when we are angry’ and consequently spoiled the whole translation. The poet is talking about the ‘rage of love’. The statement by the translator that we do not calm down, when we are angry, at advice and become angrier, is not practical in the matter of anger, which normally subsides at sane advice. But, the rage of love is the one which rises, because it is a human tendency to revolt when prohibited from doing something. The poet has used ‘satisfaction to our blood’ in the context in which it was used in the 16th and 17th century England. I do not expect a person not knowing this context to translate it correctly. So he has messed it up too. Similarly, he has compared ‘sweets of love’ which the poet is talking about with candy.
The summary is that we should try to understand what the poet is trying to say rather than go for simple translation. This was the advice which Majrooh gave to Jaidev when he tried to interpret ‘jalte hain jiske liye teri ankhon ke diye’ in his own way.
Anita @ 82,
In ‘bikhra ke zulfen’ the heroine gives a terse reply to the hero, just like in ‘hello hello ji’ where he wants to make her his teacher and she calls him a child.
‘Tere pyar ka aasra chahata hoon’ is one of my top favourites and came to my mind along with those duets, but I left it out because in this song there is talk about what ‘duniya’ would say, while the other four duets were between the couple. Also song no 1 and 2 were connected in a special way and 3 and 4 had same theme.
If in the Aao Pyar Karen song, Joy Mukherjee had responded to Saira Bano, I would have gladly included that song in the group I posted. She is clearly taking the lead here in teaching love. She also says ‘agar hothon pe pehre hain to ankhon ko juban kar len’. What a beautiful expression.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHv7YRPPcus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKcLJpn8Pvk
Once a popular song.
He is giving reasons why she should not come close to him but she is giving her reasons why she has to love him.
‘Itna na mujhse…’/ 1961 / CHHAYA / Rajinder Krishan / Salil Choudhary/Talat , Lata
https://youtu.be/Q__-cYB1u18
Anita ji
Yes I agree that the situation of sun le tu makes it a generic love song but I feel that there is more than a hint that part of the song is addressed to Nutan ( especially the third antara).
Now here are two superhit and evergreen songs that address pyar in two different ways :
One may not get more complex yet such a detailed explanation of Ishq than what Sahir does here
Na to karvaa ki talash hai- Barsat ki raat – Roshan
It also carries usual advice
Rah ulfat ki bahut kathin hai
Ise aasa na samajh
https://youtu.be/BQRHuMBtOYY
And one will not get an easier definition than offered by Majrooh in
Dil vil pyar vyar – Shagird – LP – Lata
https://youtu.be/VXDR5L1Ykhc
The PREM ROGi has a student.
Mohabbat hai kya cheez
Ye humko batao
Her curiosity goes very deep:
Ye kisne shuru kee?
CR was a genius who was equally proficient in light as well as serious songs. Here are a few lighter vein songs on this theme.
Albela is a storehouse of such songs. I would use here two songs.
Sham dhale khidki tale
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTLmezFtxic
Haseenon se muhabbat ka bura anjam hota hai
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKDsYuljq18
‘Aana meri jaan sunday ki sunday’ from Shehnai broke many barriers. From the start it would appear a dinner invitation but the song is in reality a great example of love counselling.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9a4NEtZDqI
Praveen posted ‘dil ka lagana achha hai par kabhi kabhi’ from Patanga at 55. I give here another from the same film ‘pehle to ho gayi namaste namaste’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cydzf3nTdoA
‘Dil ka ye engine seetiyan mare’ from Ustad Pedro is love counselling bordering on direct seduction and Lata sang this for and with CR.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzCHVeMJDuU
Most Sahir Ludhyanvi songs have something profound on love. This song may qualify here.
Do not know if this has been posted earlier.
‘ Mann re tu…’/ 1964 / CHITRALEKHA / Sahir Ludhyanvi / Roshan / Rafi
https://youtu.be/ES5yOtqQGks
Four duets with different colours.
‘O ballo soch ke mele jana’ from Khandan presents a defiant lady in response to love advice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmhBN7bt0sE
‘Ladi ankh se ankh’ from Pocketmaar. Dev Anand is given a slap treatment when the street singer starts making fun and he and his friend Gope join the fun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdbfpemyCNg
Now Yakub and Gope face the same music even louder in the form of ‘jooton ki barsaat’. ‘Tabiyat saaf ho gayi’ from Sagai. CR again with his specialisation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYCgtR8Wls4
Too much violence in not goof for health. So we move to calmer waters. In ‘peechhe peechhe aa kar chhoo lo hamen pa kar’ from House No 44, though Kalpana Kartik invites him to touch her but also says ‘aaye jo akadke, marungi pakad ke’. So Dev Anand plays safe and does not touch her. Only follows and hums.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sDBdt5Ebb4
I posted a qawwali @38 and another was posted by Rajul @92. I give here two more qawwalis.
‘Mohabbat karo to karo chhup chhupa ke’ from the lesser known film Kala Samandar is a qawwali in which the male advocates patience and the female throws the caution to the winds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brMz_SqTQJs
In ‘dil haseeno se lagana koi humse seekh le’ initially both sides claim the guru status, but in the antara the female side is mostly commenting on the male tricks which are mostly comical in nature. A very entertaining qawwali indeed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLEMIkNI_so
Film Amar-1954 had 10 songs out of which 9 were female solos, the 10th being the Rafi song ‘insaaf ka mandir hai’. Of the 9 Lata sang 7 – 3 for Madhubala and 4 for Nimmi – and the remaining 2 were sung by Asha for Nimmi.
In the first song here, Nimmi is seeking advice from her sakhis.
Umangon ko sakhi pee ki nagariya kaise le jaun – Lata
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edG1l8xD1g4
I dont know how, but later Nimmi has become an expert and herself offers advice to Dilip Kumar.
Ik baat kahun mere piya sun le agar tu – Asha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3HeWYWAwp4
This Love Guru is exposed in public in front of the bhaiyon aur behno, Magan Bhai, Chagan Bhai, Ragho ba, Donduba, Karnail n Jarnail Singh et al .
Rafta Rafta dekho aankh mere ladee hai.
Mujhe pyar sikhaya kisne ? Issne.
I always thought The Ugly duckling to Swan story of Rekha began with GHAR and MKS, 1977/8. But, on the fields here, in the company of Panduba et al, in a Marathi polgi avatar Re looks beautiful.
This song has a lot on love. May qualify here.
‘ Chhod de Saari…’/ 1968 / SARASWATICHANDRA / Indeevar / Kalyanji Anandji / Lata
https://youtu.be/9urZBwBTsig
Now some lesser known female solos in this category.
Bhola shikari nishana na jane – Hungama – Lata
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XZR6_Klhto
Kajra na dekhe gajra na dekhe – Suhag Sindoor – Lata
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W37RcAk3eoQ
Pyar ki nishaniyan – Jailor – Asha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0NPtksopj8
Pehle jhuk kar karo salam – Doli – Asha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un7WOmVe8uY
Zulf has been a very popular topic in our old hindi films. So power of the zulf is evident in making an impression. So if anyone puts some prohibitions on the female in the matter of zulf, it should be covered under the topic now being discussed. Anita has already posted ‘bikhra ke zulfen’ @ 82. So I would post here some duets with the same effect, though arguably the best solo on zulf ‘na jhatko zulf se pani’ is also a prohibition.
‘Khuli khuli zulfon ko bandh bhi lo’ from Banarasi Thug is a continuation of ‘bikhra ke zulfen’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MspRKlicXFM
Now in ‘suljhao na uljhi zulfon ko’ from Girls Hostel, he wants the zulfs to be ‘uljhi hui’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UQe_HZIZjE
In the last song he wanted the zulf to be uljhi hui, but in ‘zulfon ko aap yun na sanwara karo’ from Chandan Ka Palna he has perhaps objection to some hairstyle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyEIlRszKEA
Now this one in Bagdad Ki Raten is very unhappy with zulf, so he says ‘zulfon walon se na bhool ke bhi pyar keejiye’. She also fight fire with fire and says ‘muchhon walon pe kabhi na aitbaar kijiye’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n3RmBbENlA
Hans ji @ 90, 94, 96, 97, 98, 101 & 102
Thanks a lot for such multifarious perspectives on love counselling! C Ramchandra’s songs indeed are enjoyable. Both the duets and solos appear somewhat cheeky but actually have some great tips and advice for those who can pick up the cue.
@ 98 – Nimmi confirms my view that life is the biggest teacher. You learn more from experience than from borrowed wisdom.
As regards hairstyling tips go, I guess each person has his/her own preferences and it is these that decide the advice that is tendered.
Rahul ji @ 92
Thanks for these two songs which can simplify or complicate love tips depending upon the need of the hour.
It is interesting that Saira says Dil Vil Pyaar Vyaar… to Joy who prides himself in being the best love counsellor in town. He tries to show I.S.Johar the way but is at a loss when confronted by Saira.
Joseph ji # 91 & 95
Thanks for these two songs. While the song from Chhaya is a gem as far as love counselling goes, I would believe that Man Re … from Chitralekha is more about speaking to oneself and introspecting.
The other song from Chitalekha – Sansaar Se Bhaage Phirte ho perhaps has a more forceful piece of advice on love and that love should not be slighted.
yeh bhog bhi ek tapasya hai
tum tyaag ke maare kya jaano…
Dr Shetty # 93 & 99
Thanks a lot for these two songs!
Both the student and the teacher realize in Prem Rog that it is difficult to explain love in words. It is something that can only be felt and experienced.
The song from Kahaani Kismat Ki is perhaps one acknowledging the contribution of the guru! It is also about love (being) in the air!! I love the bird’s eye view of Flora Fountain of the 1970s. The city is so vibrant.
Anita @ 105,
The same thought came to me when Josephji posted that song. I think when she gave it, Chitralekha never thought that the Yogi would actually try to act on her advice. But this one from Taj-1956 had other ideas she is asking ‘ek baat bata jogi ye jogan kab teri hogi’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgWYRo65moM
But the jogi perhaps became serious and she started ‘nakhra’ and offered sona and chandi instead of dil. ‘Sona laija re’ from Mera Gaon Mera Desh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnTQcLZToZs
Hans Ji # 107
You are spot on! Like they say be careful about what you wish for, for it may come true! Similarly, tender advice after careful thought for someone may actually act upon it.
Thanks for this song from Mera Gaon Mera Desh featuring Asha Parekh. In this movie, Lakshmi Chhaya stole the spotlight, I feel.
I remember AK ji doing a full post on the jogi.
Anita,
My post was titled Jogi, Bhogi or Dhongi. I browsed through it. It is fun going through various shades of these colourful jogis.
So many songs have been posted here. Any repeat postings of a song is unintentional.
Here the lady gives the reason for not being able to do what he desires. This may qualify here.
‘ Paon chhoo lene…’/ 1963 / TAJ MAHAL / Sahir Ludhyanvi / Roshan / Rafi, Lata
https://youtu.be/IE9xeUdPnlU
Do not know if this has been posted here.
She says why she will stay away though he wants her to join him. This may be covered here.
‘ Sambhal aye dil…’ / 1958 / SAADHNA/ Sahir Ludhyanvi / N Datta / Asha , Rafi
https://youtu.be/6LaGzszImU0
Joseph ji #110 & 111
Thanks for these two songs! While the song from Taj Mahal is a perfect example of advice being turned down, in the song from Sadhana, I feel the heroine is speaking to herself and not to the hero whereas the hero addresses her and asks her to follow her heart.
Not yet posted I feel. Another song that may qualify here. So much of advice.
‘Darr na mohabbat…’/ 1949 / ANDAZ / Majrooh Sultanpuri / Naushad / Lata , Shamshad Begum
https://youtu.be/sPGdmAh-gCg
Anita @ 108,
“tender advice after careful thought for someone may actually act upon it.”
In a video somebody was quoting someone, the meaning of which was
‘nobody wants to listen to your opinion’
‘they want to listen to your opinion which is in accordance with their opinion’
I think the same is true for advice also. This is a country of advisers, but the advice may boomerang on you. If the advice has a positive outcome, the receiver is most likely to say I also had the same idea in mind and if the result is negative he may grab your neck.
I am posting two songs with opposing advice and the result is for all to see.
In ‘gore hathon par na zulam karo’ from Pyar Kiye Ja, the hero pampers the feelings of the female duo by praising their delicacy of manner.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wekHG5cptHI
In complete contrast to the advice in the above song, the hero is giving a practical advice of being strong to face the realities of life. But, she is not happy and in the end the hero had to do labour as in the first song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuXY4O8epPI
There have been a number of Rafi songs in the main post as well as in comments. But there has not been an exclusive post on songs by Rafi. I now present here some Rafi songs on the theme.
I mentioned ‘na jhatko zulf se pani’ which is a praise song but is also covered under this theme. After this post I also reviewed some other songs of the same kind. Here is one ‘paas baitho tabiyat behal jayegi’ which is also covered under this theme.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2L18SWM2Ac
Now the next song is just the opposite. This says ‘haseenon se to bas sahab salamat door ki achhi’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHm5y5EyzJQ
Dil Ne Phir Yaad Kiya had Nutan. Jeevan the villain in that film stalked her. IS Johar was her brother. He used her dress to lure Jeevan, who sings this unique song ‘yun chaal chalo na matwali’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOndzUotxT4
The next song has a weird advice coming from Mehmood. ‘Mareeje ishq hoon ae jaane man’ from Bin Baadal Barsaat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSF_5tGEBEc
And here is a song in which comedian Om Prakash gives an advice even to God.
‘O my god, haseenon ko kyun de di itni beauty’ from Hong Kong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZveNJ_Sqt7k