Some unique good good songs

Multiple version songsIf you think there is a glaring mistake in the title of this post, you have to blame Mumbaikar8 for it. She only gave me the idea for this post. Don’t ask me what is her good name, please. If she is not disclosing it, I am also not disclosing it. As you know she is living in the US, but I am living in India only. Therefore, when she is writing mail to me, I am sleeping; and when I am writing to her, she is sleeping. I have reverted back to her many times. But, some things one can talk clear clear only face to face. But, she will be coming to India during vacations only. She cannot prepone her visit for very small small things. However, she suggested some very good good songs for the post. Therefore, I had to do the needful and I am posting it now. The date April 1 is purely coincidental. I hope Mumbaikar8 understands. Little little things often cause big big misunderstandings.

Dear readers, you are still not understanding fully fully? Don’t worry. Once my co-brother’s cousin sister’s son was visiting me to discuss his career plans. He had passed out from the IIT with flying colours. I asked him some very ordinary ordinary things, but he could understand only slowly slowly. You are finding it awkward? You are foreign-returned or what? Just start thinking in Hindi or your mother tongue, everything will be clear clear.

Enough of this tomfoolery. Some English usages, which are unique to Indians, might flummox the foreigners, but our bright kids would continue to pass out from college with flying colours, after which many of them would have arranged marriages, though now a large number is having love-marriage. And, in their professional lives, they would continue to prepone meetings and revert back with replies. Our VVIPs would continue to airdash to disaster sites. These usages are so pervasive that these would be, in due course, accepted as a variant of English.

Such usages have their origin in our native languages and cultural practices. Thus, it makes sense to ask, What is your good name please (आपका शुभनाम क्या है?), because, like Bengalis, most of us have a daak naam and a bhaalo naam. However, one ubiquitous usage in our languages, i.e. repeating words, does not lend itself to such adaptation. Hum Saath Saath Hain, or Kuchh Kuchh Hota Hai or Chhoti Chhoti Baatein are very common in Hindi (हम साथ साथ हैं; कुछ कुछ होता है; छोटी छोटी बातें etc), and, I am sure, it must be in other Indian languages too. But, We Are Together Together, Something Something Happens, or Small Small Things would evoke laughter. Repeat words illustrate the limits of such linguistic/cultural transplants.

You would think there can be hardly anything funny in the use of repeat words in Hindi. But the classic comedy film Chupke Chupke (1975) creates great humour in this scene around repeat words. Om Prakash is already at the end of his tether with his ‘driver’ Dharmendra’s fetish for shudh Hindi, when he notices the latter hiding behind the curtains while Sharmila Tagore is singing. Listen to this dialogue between an exasperated Om Prakash, and the impossibly irritating driver:

Om Prakash (to Dharmendra): तुम वहां खड़े खड़े क्या कर रहे हो?
Dharmendra: खड़ा खड़ा कुछ नहीं कर रहा हूं, साहेब.  आके आके खड़ा हुआ हूं.
Om Prakash: अन्दर आओ, ऐ इधर आ.  ये आके आके क्या होता है? दो बार आके आके का क्या मतलब?
Dharmendra: साहेब, जब आपने खड़े खड़े का दो बार प्रयोग किया तो हमें बहुत अच्छा लगा.  तो हमने उसी छ्न्द में आके आके बोल कर कविता का रस ले लिया.

Scene from Chupke Chupke (01.17 to 2.00)

Since repeat words are used so commonly, with a little probe, one would find them in all Parts of Speech. Hindi grammar has eight PoS, English has the same eight, or nine including the Article. Let me explore the songs of some of the main PoS.

Noun (संज्ञा):

Narad Muni always announced his arrival by repeating Narayan, Narayan. In our Bhakti tradition, great importance was given to chanting of names a hundred or a thousand times. No wonder Manna Dey chants Ram Krishna Hari a number of times in the song Kaal ka pahiya ghoome bhaiya.

1. Saanware Saanware kaahe mose karo jora jori by Lata Mangeshkar from Anuradha (1960), lyrics Shailendra, music Pt. Ravi Shankar

Here is a song where Saanware Saanware, though an adjective (for black), is used as a proper noun for Lord Krishna.

As is evident, common nouns are far more than proper nouns. Daane daane pe likha hai khanewale ka naam; Patta patta boota boota haal hamara jaane hai (this has two sets of repeat words) – our readers like KS Bhatiaji, Arvinder Sharmaji and Hans would surely flood us with their discoveries. Here is a very nice Rafi song not yet posted on SoY.

2. Hai kali kali ke lab par tere husn ka fasana by Rafi from Lala Rukh (1958), lyrics Kaifi Azmi, music Khayam

3. Piya piya piya mera jiya pukaare by Kishore Kumar & Asha Bhosle from Baap Re Baap (1955), lyrics Jan NIsar Akhtar, music OP Nayyar

My post on the best songs of Asha Bhosle by OP Nayyar included Piya piya na laage mora jiya (Phagun). OP Nayyar adds a third ‘Piya’ to great effect in this song.

Repeat pronouns are infinitely more challenging than nouns to find. Hum kaale hain to kya hua dilwaale hain/ Hum tere tere tere chahnewale hain has figured earlier on SoY. KS Bhatia recently posted an interesting song, Jahan tu tu tu wahan main main main, by Mukesh from the film Mud Mud Ke Na Dekh (1960), composed by Hansraj Bahal. There must be more; I am leaving it for our intrepid readers to discover them, and moving on to adjectives.

Adjective (विशेषण):

We are a society of putting emphasis, thus adjectives present the difficulty of choosing from the plenty available.

4. Do naina tumhare pyare pyare by Hemant Kumar and Geeta Dutt from Shrimatiji (1952), lyrics Raja Mehdi Ali Khan, music S Mohinder

The eyes are not only lovely, but they are pyare pyare in this song.

We must be one of the most colour-conscious societies in the world. In the matrimonials everyone desires absolutely fair, pure gori or white-skinned, besides convent-educated, professional, smart as well as homely girl. We must be the only country where celebrities sell men’s fairness cream. Thus, we have Gore gore, O baanke chore. Its converse is a desirable property for zulfein or baadal.

5. Kaare kaare baadra ja re ja re baadra by Lata Mangeshkar from Bhabhi (1957), lyrics Rajendra Krishna, music Chitragupt

There are more songs on Kaale kale baadal, such as, Ho, kaale kaale baadal chhaye piya by Mukesh and Shamshad Begum from Apni Chhaya (1950). Kaali kaali is also a frequently used adjective for ‘night’ or ‘eyes’: Kaali kaali raat re dil bada sataye (Lata Mangeshkar; Sainya 1951; Sajjad Husain).

6. Laal laal gaal, jaan ke hain laagu by Rafi from Mr. X (1957), lyrics Majrooh Sultanpuri, music N Datta

But the colour is also an adjective for emphasis without any negative connotation. My post on the best Asha Bhosle songs by Shankar-Jaikishan gave a prominent place to Laali laali doliya mein laali re dulhaniya. Here is a fun song with repeat of red colour.

7. Laal laal othwa se barse lalaiya ho ki ras chuwela by Talat Mahmoood & Lata Mangeshkar from Laagi Naahi Chhote Ram (1963), lyrics Majrooh Sultanpuri, music Chitragupta

The lady with rosy cheeks must have red lips. Here is a fabulous song from a Bhojpuri film, composed by the great Chitragupta.

8. Oonchi oonchi duniya ki deewarein sainya tod ke main ayi re by Lata Mangeshkar from Nagin (1954), lyrics Rajendra Krishna, music Hemant Kumar

Let me conclude the Adjective with a couple of songs with non-colour emphasis. Each of the dozen songs of Nagin (1954) was a smashing hit. This one is fast-paced in which the girl breaks free from high high walls of societal barrier.

9. Jhuki jhuki si nazar beqaraar hai ke nahi by Jagjit Singh from Arth (1983), lyrics Kaifi Azmi, muisc Jagjit Singh

English has only downcast eyes, but in Hindi Ye jhuke jhuke naina, ye lat bal khaati cast a seductive spell – To dil kyun na mera deewana ho tera. The downcast eyes at times also create a sombre mood, but in that case the nazar would be jhuki jhuki.  This also helps conceal love inside, though दबा दबा  सा सही.

Verb (क्रिया):

Looking for repeat verbs is like Ali Baba getting dazzled by the riches in the cave which opens on Khul ja sim sim. Chalte chalte mere ye geet yaad rakhna; Rote rote guzar gayi raat re; Chale ja chale ja chale ja jahan pyar mile; Jap jap jap jap jap re – the list is endless.

10. Chal chal re naujawan, chalo sang chale hum by Ashok Kumar & Leela Chitnis from Bandhan (1940), lyrics Pradeep, music Ramchandra Pal

Here is a vintage song which became a rallying song in the freedom movement.

11. Chalte chalte yun hi koi mila gaya tha by Lata Mangehskar from Pakeezah (1972), lyrics Kaifi Azmi, music Ghulam Mohammad

‘While I was walking someone met me’ is bland. But what if chalte chalte I happen to meet someone dear?

12. Ja ja ja mere bachpan kahin ja ke chhup nadaan by Lata Mangeshkar from Junglee (1961), lyrics Shailendra, music Shakar-Jaikishan

Shankar-Jaikishan used Ja (Go) thrice in Ja ja re ja baalamwa, but it was interspersed with a re. In Junglee, when the situation demanded, they removed the re as the chirpy Sara Bano shook off her innocence.

Adverb (क्रिया-विशेषण)

Adverb is a force-multiplier for a verb or an adjective. As per Newton’s laws of motion, the force can act in both ways – along the motion or against the motion. When the heart is beating fast in love, expecting the arrival of a dear one, it needs to be calmed down.

13. Dheere dheere machal ae dil-e-beqaraar by Lata Mangeshkar from Anupama (1966), lyrics Kaifi Azmi, music Hemant Kumar

14. Dheere dheere se meri zindagi mein aana, dheere dheere se mere dil ko churana by Kumar Sanu & Anuradha Paudwal from Aashiqui (1990), lyrics Rani Malik, music Nadeem Shravan

There was a famous Don who didn’t like two kinds of women: those who made themselves available too soon and those who came too late. The romance is enhanced when the beloved approaches you धीरे धीरे.

15. Sarakati jaaye hai rukh se naqaab aahista aahistaa by Jagjit Singh (non-film ghazal 1979), lyrics Ameer Minai, music Jagjit Singh

Same is the case with the alluring veil. Though you want the veil to come off, it is beautiful slipping off आहिस्ता आहिस्ता, because that gives the feeling of the moon (lovely face) coming out आहिस्ता आहिस्ता.

16. Uthegi tumhari nazar dheere by Lata Mangeshkar from Ek Raaz (1963), lyrics Majrooh Sultanpuri

If you thought dheere dheere had to be slow-paced, one of the most talented music directors, Chitragupta, composes this fast-paced dance song, picturised on an unknown starlet, Jeevankala. Chitragupta maintains his sugary-syrup sweetness in Lata Mangeshkar’s voice.

17. Do dil mil rahe hain magar chupke chupke by Kumar Sanu from Pardes (1997), lyrics Anand Bakhshi, music Nadeem-Shravan

I started with a clipping from Chupke Chupke.  Let me end with a beautiful song where two hearts meet chupke chupke.  Shahrukh Khan is an emissary for his benefactor’s son, but if he sings so beautifully with the guitar in his hand, no wonder Mahima Chaudhary falls for him instead.

P.S.  No man’s land

After I had finished the post, I realised there are a number of repeat words that lie in a no man’s land. Which parts of speech are balle balle or anh unhu anh unhu of bhangra. I used to think Lara lappa lara lappa are similar nonsensical words, but later I came to know that these are proper words in Punjabi. But what about Adi dappa adi dappa lai rakhda, or Dum dum diga diga? And Shammi Kapoor’s exultation Ho lalla ho lalla ho lalla ho lalla, after he had declared himself Budtammez kaho ya kaho janwar? You might say nonsensical words have to be kept out of this discussion. But in this song, Chitragupt obliterates the distinction between sense and nonsense:

18. Daga daga vai vai vai ho gayi tumse ulfat ho gayi by Lata Mangeshkar from Kali Topi Laal Rumal (1959), lyrics Majrooh Sultanpuri, music Chitragupta

We all know Daga means ‘betrayal’ as in Mohe daga daike sautan ghar jana or Dekhoji dekho mera dil le ke daga nahi dena. But can anyone please tell me what on earth is Daga daga?  And Chitragupt compounds it with vai vai vai.

Now I have started believing that vai vai vai must be some word in a language which Chitragupta understood, because he uses the word again in this song:

19.  Tujhko main jan gayi maan ya na maan vai vai by Lata Mangeshkar & Rafi from Zabak (1961), lyrics Prem Dhavan, music Chitragupt

If you are strong in counting, you can try – in the two songs together, Chitragupt uses ‘vai’ 83 times.

I have covered all the major Parts of Speech. If you enjoyed the post, thanks are due mainly to Mumbaikar8 whose idea it was.

296 comments…read them below or add one

  4. To use the popular TV channels cliché, Double Dhamaka: humorous write-up and great hit songs. We must thank you both, AKji for the article and Mumbaikar8 for the idea.

  5. I do not want to mar the effect of this post by seriously discussing echo word etc. Our languages use them for “special effects,” something that Babubhai Mistry did in old movies, so they are integral part of our languages. And don’t worry overly about Chitragupt’s ‘vai vai’ words. They are there for what we call in Gujarati “shobha ma abhivruddhi”, to increase the embellishment. 🙂

  6. One of the weirdest post to come from the pen of our great AK. There is no end to his lively imagination and his sheer ability to make mountain out of a molehill is astounding to say the least. With my toota foota Hindi, I am nowhere in this field to discuss any song. Hurra Hurra to him.
    I can think of one song from Madhumadhi sung by the great Rafi, picturising a completely besotted Johnny Walker.

    Jungal mein mor nacha, Music Salil Chodhury, lyrics Shailendra

    There are lot of repeat words in the song. It is one of the best songs to be sung portraying the drunkuness of an individual in a devil may care way.

    https://youtu.be/ntCqrQKuh34

  7. Returning here after some time and found some jewels. A command performance! I am sure other songs will be found where words are repeated for effect

  8. Ashokji,
    I am happy you enjoyed it. The link you sent seems to have been been removed by YT.

    Naresh Mankad,
    I could never imagine that there would be a serious academic article on the subject. But Gaddeswarupji often comes up with amazing links. I was only familar with Hindi. It was only my hunch that other Indian languages too use repeat words quite commonly.

    Are you sure ‘vai vai’ are meaningless words, and used only as embellishments?

    DP Rangan,
    I take it that you liked my post. Thanks a lot. Jangal mein mor naacha does have some repeat words, but are down below. To qualify for this post, repeat words should be upfront and a prominent feature of the song.

  11. Very very good AK. I guess ‘na’ in ‘ Na na karte pyar tumhi se kar baithe’ would qualify as interjection – one more grammatical category.

  12. Mahesh,
    Jap jap jap jap jap is repeat words with vengeance! Good one.

    Subodh,
    Thanks a lot. Yes, the songs perfectly fits.

  14. AK, one of the funniest posts on this blog, ever. Thank you for my morning laugh. (And thanks alsoto Mumbaikar for giving you this idea.)

    My immediate responses are:
    Nahi nahi, abhi nahi from Jawani Diwani.
    Jaaneman, jaaneman, tere do nayan from Chhoti si Baat.
    Chup chup khade ho zaroor koyi baat hai from Badi Bahen
    Jhir jhir jhir jhir badarwa barse from Parivaar
    Arre na na na na tauba tauba from Aar Paar

    –so many more, really. But, thank you. I really enjoyed this post.

  15. Gun gun gun gun boley re bhanwar . Suraiya in Afsar

    Gun gun gunjan karta bawra…Geeta Roy in Har har mahadev

    Oui maa oui maa yeh kya ho gaya Lata in Parasmani.

  16. SSW,
    Solid article. Thanks. Adnan Sami’s song, though my favourite, would not fit in my list. But thanks for sharing it.

    Anu,
    Thanks. I am happy you enjoyed it. You have also added some very nice nice songs.

    Mahesh,
    Nice songs.

  17. AK ji , Mumbaikar 8 ;

    A perfect way to laugh on the fool’s day. What an idea ! The subject is so sweet and I think many of my colleagues would be readdy to bat at no 1. As a starter here is a sixer ….

    1.Yeh nain dare dare , liye jam bhare bhare….Hemant….Kohra

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gMhbWeo30o

    2.Dheere dheere chal chand gagan mein…..Rafi, Lata….Love Marriage

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUBkmULoBhA

    3.Ja ja ja bewafa……Geeta Dutt……Aar Paar

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2KuE2G043w

    4. Sun Sun Sun zalima…….Rafi, Geeta Dutt….Aar Paar

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Mr0FleE0rY

    5.Ja ja re ja dewane ja……Rafi , Asha……Grahasti

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F0zGoypwro

    6.Ja ja ja re ja re ja…..Lata…Lata….Naya Ghar

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXEZg6aoJFM

    Here is a four from the colored era movies ……

    7.Tauba tauba kya hoga…..Asha…..Mr. Natwar Lal

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StS0Mf5Lg38

    8.Akele akele kahan ja rahe ho….Rafi….An Evening in Paris

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD1xrgPmBO8

    9.Allah allah allah wo legaye chandi chhalla….Lata…Mere Huzoor

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIqAsK1HCK4

    10.Neend nigahhon se ud jaati hai kyun ke jawani mein ho jaati hai , mohabbat mohabbat mohabbat…..[ uttered 8 times ]…Lata…Lootere

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Jnb4PuO_Ik

    Now a single to bid good night……

    11.Yeh jhuki jhuki jhuki nigahen teri….Rafi….Aao Pyar Karen

    [ watching Sanjeev Kumar as Extra is a fun too ]

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQzgR14DaHQ

    …..to be contd….

  18. AK,
    You have fooled me wholly wholly.
    Thank you for turning my half-baked idea into such a funny post.
    I had promised to get back to you, but other than Guddeswarupji’s article could not find anything relevant, I have a wandering mind and as I did not hear from you again I thought रात गयी बात गयी.
    Thanks Naresh Mankad and Anu for giving credit to my idea but as D P Rangan said “There is no end to his lively imagination and his sheer ability to make mountain out of a molehill is astounding to say the least” so all the credit as well as brickbats to AK:)
    SSW’s article has shown different dimension of repetition.

  19. Really disappointed that a beautiful and tremendously liked song “Teri Pyari Pyari Surat Ko” is missing from the list. Overall choice is ok, but incomplete without this song, in my opinion.

  20. KS Bhatiaji,
    You have been true to your reputation. Terrific songs.

    Mumbaikar8,
    I thought springing a surprise on you would be more enjoyable. Your opening sentence reminded me of a wit: “You can’t fool me, I am too ignorant. 🙂 “

  21. Shanta,
    Welcome to SoY. Teri pyari pyari surat ko has a long history of discussions on this and some other blogs. Therefore, there is a reason to exclude it. It would not be prudent to go over the same story again.

  22. AK, ksbhatiaji,
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5d5lXnDSl4
    Javed talking about Sahir’s lyric writing starting at 9.00 how he wrote Yeh raat yeh chandni on meter while he could have done some tukbandi like aaja aaja and sunja sunja, Sahir has written so many repeated words songs, it is tukbandi at times but not always.
    Here are some of Sahir creations
    Two songs from Gumrah
    Aaja aaja re
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-IVg8Zedng
    Yeh hawa ye hawa
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhCv8N0BJfc
    Most popular qawwali from Baat ek raat ki
    Yeh ishq ishq hai
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaVVoUUKNEY
    One nonsensical from Trishul Gapuchi gapuchi
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKga3TDM2K
    Rafi Geeta OP duet Jahan jahan khayal jata hai
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au-olGIwhAk
    Phrase kise pesh karoon Ghazal
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOB4D2Lymd8
    Basti basti parbat from Railway platform
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec4V8REAT5I
    aan milo aan milo Devdas
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd33Mr_h4g8
    Ude jab jab zulfe teri Naya daur
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VePyuLWBXhw
    and finally two kabhi kabhi songs
    Milti hai zindagi kabhi kabhi
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VePyuLWBXhw
    kabi kabhi mere dil me khayal hai
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdXZJ6dsaW4

  23. Never realised my prattlings has been read by so many. That is the way I am. Life is too sweet to be taken seriously and one who can laugh on himself laughs last. I can only plead mea culpa.

  24. AK ji,

    I was out of Mumbai due to a death in family. I retuned yesterday night and was feeling down and depressed.
    I just visited SOY, out of habit and all my depression and lost mood disappeared instantly after reading your post.
    Believe me I must not have smiled and laughed as much as today ! Really you are simply unique. Mumbaikar might have given you the basic concept, but the way you have developed it and wrapped it in a sheer literary garb has no parallel,indeed !
    Kya baat hai, Kya baat hai !!
    I have enjoyed it and I thank you for writing such wonderful post. THAT is AK !!!
    -AD

  25. Arunji,
    First my deepest condolences for the breavement.

    Your generous words are overwhelming. Thanks a lot.

  26. Delightful, AK – this was so much fun to read. And you’ve got some spectacular songs in your list. I can see many other people have suggested many other songs, so I won’t flood your comments with any more links. Just a couple of songs that came to my mind, some verb repetitions, some adjective, some adverb:

    Hari-hari vasundhara pe neela-neela yeh gagan
    Aaja aaja main hoon pyaar tera
    Chori-chori meri gali aana hai bura
    Badle-badle mere sarkar nazar aate hain

    Oh, there are so many.

  27. Madhu,
    Thanks a lot. There are too many of such songs, but Hari hari vasundhara pe is one of the most elegant.

  28. Excellent! Enjoyable!
    Thanks AK (and Mumbaikar)
    Such good good posts appear on SOY only.
    I will add one more to the list:
    Isharon isharon mein(Kashmir ki kali)

  29. Giri,
    Thanks a lot. After the post was up, the first song that came to my mind was Ishaaron ishaaron mein.

  30. AK ji,
    What a wonderfully innovative theme!!! Guaranteed to uplift the mood for sure. There are scores of Hindi film songs which use repetitive words. In many of such songs, I feel the composers may have suggested this repetition to fit the words into the crafted tune.
    Also, one more food for thought. In Hindu philosophy, the “Japa” (meaning repetition) of a sacred Mantra/Shloka is recommended to achieve spiritual objectives alluded by the Mantra/Shloka. So I suppose it is inherent in our way of thinking.
    Thanks for this unique write-up.

  31. AK ji

    Thanks for your appreciation . The subject is too good and vast I am really enjoying exploring the happy and sad songs alike.

    Continuing with my batting till googly and spinners [ Hans ji and Arvinder Sharma ji ] joins with their flight bowling .

    Here is a song hitting over the fence in a no mans land as it was a wide ball .

    12. Chinchan pappulu , chinchan pappulu , chinchan pappulu …..chhui chhui chhui chhui ..chhoo na lena mujhe chhoo na lena…

    Truely a very ….unique unique unique …. song of its kind fit for No Mans Land or may be main theme as well .

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en2PBE3NxLM

  32. AK ji ;

    Continuing with explorations of beautiful B & W songs that may interest the sharper listeners of SoY .

    13.Dagmag Dagmag dole naiya…..Geeta Dutt…..Jogan

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voqQ7M_jBVk

    14.Thandi Thandi Sawan Ki Phhhuwar…..Asha…..Jagte Raho

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krEJY59qYuw

    15.Tum se hi Ghar Ghar Kahai laya……Mukesh….Bhabhi ki Chhuriyan

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeNOjqL7SqI

    16.Soona Soona hai jahan…..Lata…..Lata…..Aurat

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lpAFbOsafM

    17Badle Badle mere sarkar …..Lata…..Chaudhvin ka chand

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pjf9ORFDwQA

    18.Jal Jal ke kahein hum dil se….Geeta dutt…Dil Ki Basti

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sjs5Vup8auA

    19.Ro Ro ke dil pukare…..Lata…..26 January

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRt665sTTfA

    20.Ghir Ghir ke aayi badariya…..Lata….Ek Thi Ladki

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxz9haXVk28

    Well these were a few of my fav. sad songs …..will continue with some happy and romantic songs as well .

  33. Ravindra Kelkarji,
    Thanks a lot for your appreciation. I was trying to find the explanation for this phenomenon in the article linked by Gaddeswarupji (#1). But it only gave a survey across Indian languages and a classification of such duplication. You have given a plausible explanation.

    KS Bhatiaji,
    It is indeed a unique unique unique song. Thanks a lot.

  34. AK ji ;

    Continuing with some happy songs……

    21.Tedhi Tedhi humse phhire …..Shamshad [?] , Manna dey….Musafir

    Must for Keshto Break Dance in his first movie.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNXakYdt-TM

    22.Gore Gore o Baanke Chhore….Lata, Ameerbai ….Samadhi

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Co42dt6HY8Q

    23.Bhini Bhini hai meethi meethi hai…..Lata….Nausharwan E Adil

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkkGsyYCmmI

    24.Hawa hai sard sard….Lata…..Shatranj

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJ9OdE0jvCo

    25.Dil Dil se keh raha hai ….Lata, Talat…..Parchhain

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=razm58FW7ik

    26.Yeh nai nai preet hai…..Lata, Talat…..Pocket Maar

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ew8Z08m8TM

    27.Haule Haule hawa dole……Geeta Dutt….Private

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_xoeW-D-yk

    28.Haule Haule jiya dole…..Lata….Kaise Kahun

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKL1HkCk34M

    29.Halke Halke chalo sanware….Lata, Hemant…Tangewali

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ii4veh1u0cA

    30.Dil Dil se mila kar dekho…Asha….Mem Sahib

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwYF1Ahlm-0

    …… To be Continued…..

  35. AK,
    Ravindra Kelkar is right not only we Japa our mantras or shlolaks but we have repeated words in our Shanskrit chants like Har Har Mahadev and Bam Bam Bhole.
    One more observation, some words make sense only if they are repeated otherwise it is nonsensical or mean something else.
    Example बार बार makes sense only if your repeat बार on its own it is meaningless.
    And घडी घडी means again and again (here again is repeated in English with connecting “and”) in English again stands on its own as again but घडी has a different meaning it means watch or पल but पल पल means every second but घडी घडी means again and again isn’t it interesting

  36. KS Bhatiaji,
    Fantastic songs, especially Tedhi tedhi and Keshto Mukherjee’s dance. Thanks a lot.

    Mumbaikar8,
    Interesting thoughts. The examples you have given can stand single too: ‘Do ghadi wo jo paas aa baithe’, ‘Pal bhar ke liye koi humein’, ‘Ek pal ruk jana’ or ‘Ek baar zara phir kah do’.

  41. AK ji ;

    Some songs from the vintage eras……

    31. Dheere Dheere Aa re baadal…..Ashok Kumar….Kismat

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRNAPGw4fA8

    32.Chal Chal re Naujawan…..Ashok Kumar , Leela Chitnis…Bandhan

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TQzfmgqzRY

    33. Radha Radha Pyari Radha…Ashok Kumar , Leela Chitnis…Kangan

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq2t-63cxhk

    34 Dil dekar Dard Liya Maine Maine Maine…..Jagmohan

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iACacs_D1Jg

    35. Suno Suno Aye Krishan Kaala….K L Saigal….Bhajan

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wYQLjvYaW0

    Ak ji , how come my songs from 13 to 20 posted on 2 nd April are still awaiting moderations .

  42. Mumbaikar@35,
    Very well explained.
    With my limited knowledge of Hindi I feel ‘Bar bar’ is a (p0etic) way of saying ‘every time’. ‘Pal pal’ will mean ‘all the time’. On the other hand ‘pal do pal’ will mean ‘some time’. I hope I am right.
    K.S.Bhatia ji,
    You are batting like Viv Richards!
    I really wonder how you unearth all these gems to suit the topic in every post! Your memory is fantastic.

  45. Giri Ji @42 ;

    Thanks for your complement . In my college days [ I I T , Delhi ] I was labeled by my sporties as study batsman ; as such I used to open my innings as opening batsman and some time as one down at no 3 . Tackling fast bowling was my passion and for this reason I maintained my position in I I T cricket XI for four years till I completed my civil engineering graduation . During this period I happened to play against many state universities and colleges . In my school days , Amarnath brothers were my school mates . Surendra Amarnath and Ramesh Saxena were my class fellows .

    So far I have made 35 runs and , in case I cross 50 , I will try to add 25 to 50 more runs.

    My batting continues and here are some more from the golden period…

    36. O leke pehla pehla pyar…..Shamshad, Rafi…..C I D

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTunDyvW8Hw

    37. Khoya Khoya chand….Rafi….Kala Bazar

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDDVLE7HV10

    38.Khoya Khoya Chanda….Asha….Door Gagan Ki Chaon Mein

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mp2Rxow1F_E

    39.Ghir Ghir ayi kaari badariya….Lata….Shagufa

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdWbMUSxjE0

    40.Saari saari raat teri yaad sataye…Lata….Aji Bas Shukriya

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBBeq01kqow

    ……to be contd……

    So far I have made 35 runs and in case I cross 50

  46. AK,

    You are such a scream! I would rank this post as my favourite on SOY so far!

    Onomatopoeic words like ‘jhanak’ lend themselves to repetition in songs. Here are some examples :

    1. Jhanak jhanak tori baje payaliya
    2. Jhanak jhanak payal baje
    3. Jhan jhan jhan jhan payal
    4. Cham cham baaje re payaliya
    5. San sanan sanan sanan ja ri o pavan

    BTW, wrt your question on ‘vai’, the word means ‘yes’ in Konkani (maybe it is related to the ‘hai’ in Hindi).

    One more song in the genre: Hai na bolo bolo from the Shammi-Hema starrer, ‘Andaz’

  47. AK ji ;

    Continuing my batting and here are few more runs …..hope they are fitting the theme . Do warn me if there is any appeal for run out.

    [ The last line @45 needs to be deleted ]

    41.Chori chori meri galli aana hai bura….Lata….Jaal

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6rwcCUlmDs

    42.Peechhe Peechhe aa kar…..Lata, Hemant….House no 44

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sDBdt5Ebb4

    43.Chal chal re musafir chal….Rafi…..Pooja

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lcf-bnWZpc

    44.Sun Sun Palan Hare……Rafi….Laxmi Pooja

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkIfo-yAYi8

    45.Kya Kya na huye tujh pe sitam…..Rafi….Mohini

    [ The original tune of N. Dutta song….Tu hindu banega na …..]

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIJMjfmRoNs

    46. Gore Gore galon pe yeh kaala til….Rafi, Geeta…Chandu

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epWNBu-THd0

    47.Gore Gore Gullabi gaal Re….Rafi, Asha….Maya Jaal

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYRnnf_SNdQ

    48.Suniye suniye hamara fasana…Rafi, Geeta…..Sindbad ki beti

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HB7BfLA6AtQ

    49.Sambhal sambhal ke chalna…..Geeta Dutt…..10’o Clock

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mioiEbhnPnQ

    50.Do Do Aane chaqu , Char Char Aane Qatari…..Rafi , Geeta Dutt…Raj Sinhasan

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-rbShQt_Zs

    ….That makes Half Century …..will bat for more…..

  48. Here are a couple of khayal bandishes with the ‘repeat word’ phenomenon:

    1. ‘Taarva ginat ginat’ in Raga Bibhas (the Marwa thaat variant), a drut cheez composed by Sadarang, and rendered here by Ashwini Bhide-Deshpande starts at 25:35:

    https:/I have hear/www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwTRQ3iYkiQ&app=desktop#

    2. ‘Jhananan jhananan baje’ , a bandish in Raga Deshkar sung here by Gangubai Hangal (the recording is in 2 parts):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkjInj1heXA
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewvQt8W10zo

    3. ‘Paayo paayo ram’, a vilambit khayal in Raga Kedar, sung here by Mogubai Kurdikar:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OhBVnE8zBw

    4. ‘Ras bheeni bheeni aaye’, a Sadarang-composed drut bandish in Raga Shuddha Kalyan begins at 22:47 in this recording of Bhimsen Joshi’s rendition:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCQywL8B1h4

    5. ‘Gali gali endi tori’, a drut bandish in Raga Basant, begins at 12:00 of this recording of a Bhimsen Joshi performance:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUev9F2SnlU

    There is a ‘Endi Endi tori’ variant as well:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvqln37_AJ4

    BTW this composition was the inspiration for ‘Ketaki gulab juhi’ from Baant Bahar.

    6. ‘Jhanak jhanakwa more bicchua’, a drut bandish in Darbari, starts at 52:55 of this recording of a live performance by Bhimsen Joshi:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKigJpgLEf0

    (Not sure whether it qualifies as a legit entry though because of the ‘wa’ appended to the 2nd ‘jhanak’)

  49. Only two bandishes had come to mind when I started on the comment above but more surfaced to the top of my memory as I started thinking harder and I ended up posting six.

  50. KS Bhatiaji,
    Standing applause from the stadium! At this rate, lower order batsmen would be left to do nothing.

    Ashwin,
    I am happy you enjoyed the post. After knowing the meaning of ‘vai’, I went back to Chitragupt songs. They still sound meaningless. In Tujhko main jaan gayi, he has used entire lines as ‘vai vai vai vai vai…’. My guess is the lyricist was not able to deliver the lines by the deadline, and Chitragupt did not want to wait.

    Thanks a lot for the classical bandishes. ‘Jhanak jhanakwa’ fits in. If we include tarana too, there would be a large number. I have also read/heard experts say that tarana syllables are not meaningless.

  51. AK,

    I said in my comment that ghadi and pal can stand single but not baar it has ek with it, it’s always ek baar, do baar, sau baar or baar baar.

    Giriji

    Thank you very much for appreciation and encouragement.

    I think pal and pal do pal is right but baar baar I think is multiple times and jab jab is every time.

    Bhatiaji,

    http://stats.espncricinfo.com/wi/content/records/282849.html

    According to ESPN Sir Bradman has the highest record of 974 runs in one series. I am sure if you bat consistently in this category you can challenge that record. GOOD LUCK

  52. In poignant remembrance:

    ‘Choomchananana Choomchananana bichua baaje’ in Raga Jaunpuri by Kishori Amonkar (the drut bandish begins at 13:29):

    https://youtu.be/0uKxkzfcF8c

    To quote a friend: There will be no other like her, ever.

  56. Ms. Mumbaikar8;@51 ,

    Thanks for the ESPN record table and for your complements as well . Sir Bradman holds a great respect in cricket field . I have watched him playing cricket on vintage documentaries . He had a great reflexes on the oncoming fast deliveries and my personal opinion is that our great Tendulkar is very close to his style of batting . The other indian batsman that follows them closely are the stylist batsman of yester years…..Nari Contractor , Vijay Manjerekar , Pankaj Roy , Dilip Sardesai and Vinoo Mankad .

    To give a break to the main theme , here are the songs that may fit the no sense hitting the no mans land among the crowds.

    51.Sa sa sa re……Kishore, Asha……Naughty Boy

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVs00ae66qQ

    52.Ta ra ri aa ri…….Rafi, Suraiya……Dastan

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKoiZEmP6dw

    53.Ta ra ra ram mere dil mein sanam….Lata …Hoor E Arab

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhyuPteVWHE

    54. Yeh Zindgi hai Yo Yo……Manmohan Krishan….Aaram

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2paL82FgM0w

    …..to be contd…..

  57. AK ji ,

    Continuing adventure with batting strokes ……

    55.Chori chori aag si dil mein lagake….Sulochana….Dholak

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6znPRi3s6UE

    56.Chori chori yu na mulaqat…..Rafi, Lata…..Pardes

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kVXBnIbbgE

    57.Chori chori ek ishara ho gaya hai….Rafi, Asha….Basant

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsFAtP9lITQ

    58.Tere pechhee firte firte hogaya….Suman, Rafi…Mud Mud Ke Na Dekh

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YitYpmJKr10

    59.Bolo bolo kuchh to bolo…..Rafi …Dil Deke Dekho

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ut7iLzSV3gU

    60.Palti ari palti , palti palti palti kismat palti…..Asha…..Musafir Khana

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9wqWXSYJZ4

    …..to be contd……

  58. ksbhatiaji,
    I have watched all these players I remember Nawab of Pataudi too, now it seems like पिछले जन्म की बात. Only cricket I watch is world cup cricket.
    My sons have moved on to baseball they feel it is a better version of cricket.
    Back to theme, I have seen your defensive as well as aggressive batting that’s why I am sure with your concentration and patience you can make it.

  60. KS Bhatiaji,
    I doubt if you were ever out. #58 was very nice. It is very unusual to see Bharat Bhushan doing chhed chhad.

  62. AK , Mahesh ji[s] ;

    Isaw the movie ….Mud Mud Ke Na Dekh….when it was released in the early 60s . I too was amazed to find Bharat Bhushan in Shammi kapoor avtar . Same goes to Anita Guha whom we used to see her in plenty of Mythological movies . Any way the songs were entertaining . Both the songs posted by Mahesh ji are fab.and I did post them in past in some relevent article.

    Continuing from where I left , here are some more sturdy runs …..

    61.Woh chale….Meri arzoo mitake mitake….Rafi…Humrahi

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFEM3Klmno0

    62.Pehla pehla pyar hai ye…..Suman Kalyanpur….Budtmeez

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e96ug4vusGg

    63.Chodo chodo meri bahiyan saaware…..Suman….Miya Biwi Razi

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdU7_opYBzU

    64.Jhuk jhuk jaaye nazar sharmaiye….Geeta Dutt…Aab E Hayat

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfZa_AOpK-0

    65.Chupke se mile pyase pyase….Rafi, Geeta…..Manzil

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fe-N6g1kLM

    66.Thandi Thandi hawa pooche unka pata….Asha , Geeta…Johnny Walker

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6qpIY3x2LM

    …..to be contd.

  64. KS Bhatiaji,
    #61 and 62 were new to me. Especially #61 with ‘mita ke’ twice and Rajendra Kumar’s dance is too good.

    Praveen,
    Welcome back. I am happy that you found something enjoyable on your return. All the songs of Sardari Begum are excellent. Thanks for adding this.

  65. I forgot to mention in my comment – that song was in line with our subject

    Ghir Ghir Aayee Badariya Kali 🙂

  67. AK ji;

    Yes . Rajendra Kumar danced very well matching the rhythm and fast beats of the song . The composition seems to be of Jaikishan as the prelude suggest….matching that of Sangam ‘s prelude of the song ….har dil jo pyar karega .

    Again continuing with some more runs…

    67.Lele…Lele bahar bahar mein….Asha….Meenar

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcmyYiN8VaU

    68.Jhoom jhoom ke do deewane…..Rafi , ?…..Mastana

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IFPPh9Po_A

    69.Jhanan Jhanan baaje……Lata…..Chand Aur suraj

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaxWthZAgjw

    70.Gori tore nain , nainwa kajar bin kare kare kare…..Rafi, Asha….Mai Suhagan hun

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BItMuq9cir8

    …..coming back with some classified postings.

  68. Ak ji ;

    In the Bollywood of the 60s cricket was very popular and there used to have matches between two teams for which Dilip Kumar and Raj Kapoor were captains . Dilip , Raj , Shammi Kapoor, Jaikishan, Joy Mukerjee , I S Johar , Actress Shammi . , Jabeen , Nanda etc. were good players . The collection were of course for the charities .

    Recalling Raj Kapoor as a bowler , here are some songs/ runs on his overs .

    71.Awara Hun , Awara hun , ya gardish mein aasma ka tara hun, hun hun …….

    ………Mukesh……Awara……

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kY0ffAaCk8

    72.Sunte they naam hum jinka bahar se dekha to dola jiya jhoom jhoom ke……Lata…..Aah

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14Y4Am-ckZ0

    73.Mud Mud ke na dekh….Asha, Manna dey……Shree 420

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3D3YNmg-Ak

    74. Dost Dost na raha……Mukesh…..Sangam

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhv1j286VeQ

    75.Jhanan Jhanan Ghungarwa Baaje…..Lata…..Aah

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtBXo2YZEEM

    76.Nazar Nazar se ho rahi hai baat pyar ki…Lata, Mukesh…..Main Nashe Mein Hun

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtFv3rTeAu0

    77.Yeh raat bheegi bheegi…..Mukesh, Lata….Chori Chori

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1DZxkiMjRo

    ….will come back with some more classified songs.

  69. Ksbhatiaji,
    Seventy songs in five days! Shattering Sobers’s record scoring on noballs and wides?

  70. Naresh P Mankad,
    What a fabulous song Neeli neeli ghata! I don’t remember when I heard it last, if at all. Thanks a lot.

    KS Bhatiaji,
    Too good. But I won’t put Dost dost na raha in this category, because repetition is in a different context.

  71. AK ji ;

    Mistake accepted . Yeh Bade Bade Articles Mein Chooti Chooti Galtiyaan Ho Jaati hain.

    Mumbaikar 8,

    I wish to cross the 100 mark before any other player do in the current I P L matches.

    O P Nayyar is the one Md whose songs carried quite a number of twin as well as group of such words . Want to face his bowling and here are the songs/ runs….His first ball from his very first over [ his first movie ]

    78.Pom Pom Pom baaja bole….Geeta …..Aasman

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PovD-ZkFr7c

    79.Mera naam chin chin chu….Geeta…..Howrah Bridge

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQjXKdyp_wM

    80.Main main main qartoon…..Rafi….Mr. Qartoon M A

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huT8Ei543Us

    81Are na na na na tauba tauba….Rafi, Geeta….

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jex17F2TNlE

    82.Suno suno miss chatterjee….Rafi, Asha….Baharen phir bhi ayengi

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lauAr3hjKpY

    83.Dil par hua aisa jadoo…..Rafi…Mr and Mrs 55

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JneKj6TsTA0

    84.Chun chun ghungroo bole…..Asha….Phagun

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-h6eT2iBGw

    85.Shokh shokh ankhen……Asha…..Phagun

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB4Wq7y3caE

    86.Ek pardesi mera dil legaya….Rafi, Asha….Phagun

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8lFMZqwItE

    …..to be contd…..

  72. AKji,
    Returning to Soy after some lag. No amount of praise is enough for this unique post. Splendid, Hilarious and elevating.Thanks to Mumbaikarji for suggesting this idea and hats off to Bhatiaji for coming up so many songs within few days.

    Here is a couple from me. Hope they are in keeping with the idea.

    Ghunghurwa Baaje Chhananana Chhun by Kanan Devi, film Street Singer (1938), lyrics Arzoo Lucknawi, music R C Boral.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=86&v=3W_cuXc7hzM

    Pyare Pyare Sapne Hamare by Ashok Kumar,Suresh, Rewa Shankar, film Anjaan (1941), lyrics Kavi Pradeep, music Pannalal Ghosh
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=131&v=6_TFJDQ-cTw

  74. Venkataramanji,
    Thanks a lot for your appreciation. On ‘Bam chike..’, my view is that songs with nonsensical words should be kept out. But that restriction is for me and not for the readers. 🙂

  77. Here are few more vintage numbers.
    Sar sar sarabas pay kii dhaaraa by Shanta Apte, film Gopal Krishna (1938), lyrics Pt. Anuj, music Master Krishnarao
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEE1MCbfavM

    Bol Bol Tu Bol Re Ban Ke by Surendra and Jyoti, film Aurat (1940), lyricsSafdar Aah, music Anil Biswas
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryrMzQ2ab6o

    Jaag jaag jaag meethi neend se by Sundari Bai and Shahu Modak, film Aadmi (1939), lyrics Munshi Aziz, music Master Krishnarao
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME5DIXJ2doQ

  78. Not sure whether this one has been listed by Bhatiaji:

    ‘Jhananana jhan jhananana jhan jhananana baaje payaliya’ from Rani Rupmati.

  79. ‘Love, love alone’, a song on the abdication by King Edward, the uncle of the oresent Queen Elizabeth II, sung by Harry Belafonte:

    https://youtu.be/cq9-Fge-dp8

    The 3nd line goes aa follows: ‘It was love, love, love, love, love alone’

  82. AK ji; ,

    With Venkatraman ji and Ashwin Bhandarkar ji joining the band wagon here is my Hello to them…

    87. Hello hello ji kaho kya hai ji…..Kishore, Asha…Bombay Ka Chor

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOaFYnDG7aE

    88.Hello hello le lo sallam mera…Rafi….Band Master

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdj7xeEAG1o

    89.Hello hello hello…[.tending to infinity] …Rafi, Asha…Minister

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkzo-w5dfrA

    90.Hello hello o meri chhamak chhallo….Rafi, Geeta….School Master

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEyYCbQZxf8

    …..will come back with classic in final overs…..

  84. Venkataramanji,
    Welcome to the party!
    I am not good at statistics, but searching for songs earlier I have come to the conclusion that approximately 10% of the songs are repeat word songs. Imagine have many songs we have?
    In Naata Lyricist Tanveer had as many as five songs.
    dhadke dhadke rah rah ke dil bawra
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hQIH7yFj7s
    Suno Suno Ek Nayi Kahani
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YmYy8P02Hc
    Ghir Ghir Chhayi Mast Ghataye
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eusdmpiipaU
    Dekhte Dekhte Jal Gaya Aashiyan
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZM3Ve7O6oY
    aasra chhod de aasra chhod de
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jK9KsCLyXw8

  85. Ak ji ,

    Continuing with some of my fav. classic songs for some final overs left..

    91. Jhoom jhoom ke naacho aaj….Mukesh…Andaz

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sln3l13aNIU

    92.Panchhi ban mein piya piya gaane laga….Lata…Babul

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imegSC8Ku7I

    93.Dil tadap tadap ke kah raha hai….Mukesh, Lata….Madhumati

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o184v83-gkk

    94.Dil mein pyar ka toofan….Lata….Yahudi

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3rTpPLGrTY

    95.Mera dil yeh pukare aaja….Lata….Nagin

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcSCtZtsiHg

    96.Hawa mein udta jaaye mora lal duppatta mal mal ka…Lata…Barsaat

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm87fGL4reE

    97.Jab se balam ghar aaye …..Lata…..Awara

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SV2tpIUz0_4

    98.aankhon aankhon mein tum ko basa ke dekh liya….Lata…Aurat

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BU1OSGv52j8

    99.Bichhde sabhi bari bari…..Rafi…..Kagaz Ke Phool

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bel9oKzrR2I

    100 [A]. Mitwa….Mitwa….Lagi Re Yeh Kaisi…..Talat….Devdas

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=218py1kN1AU

    100[B]. With chorus singing in the background…..[.Manzil ki chaah mein…tede hain raaste ] Main singer Rafi starts with ….

    Kahin Kahin Chhaon hai ,
    Kahin Kahin Dhoop Hai ;
    Yeh bhi ek roop hai ,
    woh bhi ek roop hai ;
    kai yahan khoiyen ge ,
    kai yahan paayenge ;
    Rahi eeee kai abhi jaayenge ,
    kai abhi aayenge ;
    o rahiieeeee…..
    ….Rafi….Devdas

    This beautifully crafted song is masterly composed by S D Burman and lyrically riched by the writer . Over and above beautifully directed by Bimal Roy capturing the pathos of two women at the cross roads of their lives . The camera work is excellent capturing the scenic effects of the path and the rhythm of the song thru the carriers of the Palki .

  87. Hello, Hello Bhatiaji,
    Congratulations for scoring a swift, unbeaten century. We stand no chance of touching your mile stone.

    Mumbaikarji,
    Yes there must be a good number of repeat word songs. In the film Anjaan (1941), we have three versions of the song Pyare Pyare Sapne Hamare, two versions of the song Sawariya Re Sawariya and another song Chalko Chalko Na Ras Ki Gagariya . Besides another song Mere jivan ke path par Chhaayi ye kaun, there are repeat words, but not in the mukhda.

  89. After going through the wonderful post and the songs listed by you as well the other song-masters (I don’t know why classical/semiclassical concerts figure here!), I would like to list out a few such songs (of yore) from my collection. I hope that fits the bill!
    Zindagi Zindagi Zindagi Paigham SurendraNath_ Paigham 1943 BuloC_Rani
    BijaliSi BijaliSi Chamke Ho Surendranath_ Dynamite -KisKeSajan 1938 Anil Krishna Biswas
    Jhoom Jhoom Ke Naach Re Manwa Surendranath_ Kamal 1949 SD Burman
    Chhup Chhup Ke Na Jiya Jala Zeenat Begum_ Intezaar Ke Baad 1947 Aziz Khan
    Jhool Jhool kar Man Ke Jhoole Zeenat Begum_ Kahan Gaye 1946 Lachchiram Tamar
    RainBhayi RainBhayi Palkon Par Deep Jalaaun Zeenat Begum_ Kahan Gaye 1946 Lachchhiram Tamar
    Tim Tima Tim Tare Sulochana Kadam- Mukesh_ Har Har Mahadev 1950 Avinash Vyas
    Chori Chori AagSi Dil Mein Sulochna Kadam_ Dholak 1951 ShyamSundar
    Ghari Ghari Dil Bhar Aaye Sulochana Kadam_ Bade Bhaiya 1951 Premnath
    Laaga Laaga Re Geeta Dutt, Sulochana Kadam_ Balma Bada Nadaan 1964 Hemant Kumar
    Bole bole bagon main koyaliya Meena kapoor_ Dukhiyaari 1948 Gyan datt
    Pyara pyara hai samaa Meena kapoor, Motilal_ Kamal 1949 S.D.Burman
    Bheegi bheegi raat aayi Meena kapoor_ Aakash 1953 Anil Krishna Biswas
    Zindagi Zindagi Koi Sapna Nahin Hafiz Khan Mastana_ Dr Kotnis Ki Amar Kahani 1946 Vasant Desai
    Janam Janam Ka Nata Asha Bhosle_ Amarjyoti 1984 Jaidev Verma

  90. Peddadu ji;

    What an entry ! Simply fabulous !! All the songs listed are unique and I am going to hear them at my leisure…at my best time of the day.

    Hope to get more of vintage songs from you and Venkatraman ji .

  91. N Venkatraman ji ;

    Thanks for your complements . It is the love of the So Y family that we all are part of . We live our life , exploring such songs and enjoying them now in our grey time . A song to say thanks thanks….

    101. Shukariya , Shukariya , Shukariya ayi pyar tera….Talat…Aaram

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Tp0Sx6ZUkU

    Incidentally , Film Aaram carried four more songs with twin words and they are…..

    102. Mil Mil ke bichhad gayi…..Lata

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YEEcjF_LiM

    103.Bigad bigad ke bani……Lata

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNPsV9Uy0sQ

    104.Balma ja ja ja……Lata

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgatWOZ-QMw

    105.Man mein kisi ki preet basale , o matwale o matwale…..Lata

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwYKZEnDvsw

    Film Aaram’s songs are special to me as it is from my one of the fav. music director… Anil Biswas.

  92. Ms. Mumbaikar 8 @84;

    Nice songs from the old film Naata . Good to note that It came from S. Mohinder the new MD of that time with Super star Madhubala .

  93. KS Bhatiaji,
    Bravo! My compliments too for completing the century no the trot. Many songs are well known but requires attention to notice that they have repeat words.

    Peddadu,
    Thanks for the compliments. I have heard less than half the songs from your list. I would listen to them at leisure. On classical music, many of us who may be illiterate in music, are regular listeners of classical music and are deeply fond of it. That is why on my request Subodh has been writing a series on film songs based on classical ragas. Music being a continuum, it would be impracticable to create boundaries. We can always pass up something which is not of our interest.

  95. AK ji ;

    Thanks for your complements . After the milestone ,or whatever it was , I am thinking of slowing down in order to concentrate , with my utmost precaution , committing to the set boundaries avoiding mistakes .

    A few more from the bank of the honest and charming music director….Chitagupt

    106.Kare kare badra ja re ja re badra….. Lata…..Bhabhi

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHYsDb2Ijrs

    107.Ek raat mein do do chand khile….Mukesh, Lata….barkha

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b3YveyvvGQ

    108.Nazar nazar se ulhaz gayi hai…… Lata……Insaaf

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1wn3QTwtbA

    109.ek ek pal mein badle zamana……Lata…..Naya Sansar

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l1qcz8IR0c

    11o.Kanhaiya re kanhaiya tu man….Lata, Usha……Naya Sansar

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHGFxk9IwGM

    111.Kadam Kadam pe…..Rafi, Lata…..Madam XYZ

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qo4vvP6IOJ8

    All these melodies are from the movies of 1959 except Insaaf which was released in 1956. During and about these years the ground had a hold of Big Wigs like Naushad, SDB, SJ etc. Some how the melodies created by Chitragupt could not found its place in those time . Listening to them now , as retros , is giving a very soothing feeling. Indeed Lata , Chitragupt is a great combo . Hope every one will enjoy listening to them .

  96. Ms. Mumbaikar 8 ;

    Fantastic observations on Madhumati songs . Salil da’s greatest gift to the bollywood cinema . Top of the charts on Lata ji’s ratings.

  97. KS Bhatiaji,
    Off and on I would don an umpire’s hat. I disallow #108 as a short run because ‘nazar nazar’ is not used as repeat words but two separate words. 🙂

  98. A unique article indeed. Let me add a few more songs to the ever growing list.

    1. oh dekho dekho dek raha ha papiya – Film FARIYAD. Snehal Bhatkar
    composed this song sung by Mahendra kapoor and Suman kalyanpur. This song is unique in another way. It is a racy number. Film was released in 1964. Snehal was a good composer but could get limited assignments.
    2. Chale chale ja jahan Pyar Mile – This 1970 released film Jahan Pyar Mile with music by Shankar Jaikishan was pretty ordinary film but had
    a few good songs.
    3. mudu mudu dekh na mud mud ke – Another SJ composed song from the film Shri 420. So early in their career SJ started composing songs in western type as this song proves it.

  100. AK Ji,
    Couldn’t even connect my bat and the ball went flying past for a fiver.
    But the details first

    1st
    K L Saigal
    Ya tasarruf Allah Allah from Yahudi Ki Ladki composed by Pankaj Mullick

    2nd
    K L Saigal
    Janam Janam ka dukhiya prani from Tadbir composed by Lal Mohammed

    3rd
    K L Saigal
    Chupo na chupo na o pyari sajaniya from My Sister composed by Pankaj Mullick

    4th
    K L Saigal
    Rumjhum rumjhum chaal tihari from Tansen composed by Khemchand Prakash

    5th
    K L Saigal
    Pyari pyari soorato from Dushman composed by Pankaj Mullick

    And sixth

    Jao jao he mere Sadhu by KC Dey from Pooran Bhagat composed by RC Boral
    https://youtu.be/T80Cd9Vmc-c
    This is a special one for me as it was introduced by you to me in our second meeting at GK, if you remember.
    And thanks to Mumbaikar8 and you for introducing some interesting and extraordinary posts, which we all relish thoroughly.
    And my congratulations to KS Bhatia Ji, for his relentless pursuit and posting another century of songs, not to forget the initial post and the contributions of Mumbaikar8, Venkataram Ji, Ashwin Ji and another bunch of lovely vintage songs by Peddadu Ji.
    Only regret is Suno Suno he Krishna Kala, which I missed posting

  104. Mr Vasudevan,
    Thanks for your appreciation. It seems Mumbaikar8 is correct in speculating that 10% of all the songs have repeat words. Even if we take 20% as the memorable songs, 10% of that, i.e. 2% of the approximately 45000 songs up to the Golden Era would have repeat words. Thus we are talking about close to 1000 memorable songs that should have repeat words. Nice additions. ‘Mud mud ke na dekh’ has been mentioned earlier.

    Arvinder Sharmaji,
    If you want to compete with KS Bhatiaji, you can’t afford to miss any innings. Fabulous additions. ‘Jaao jaao ae mere sadhu’ never falis to bring tears to my eyes.

    Ashwin,
    Nice that you have posted ‘Chupke chupke..’. It was a difficult choice with so many songs. I have a weakness for Chitragupta.

  108. Arvinder Sharma ji;

    What an entry , must be using heavy bat and what a sixer . The ball gone to third tier of the vintage pavilion .

    All the songs are good remembrance of the best of K l Saigal and Punkaj Mullick songs.

    I ditto your observations on the contributions made by our learned friends and thanks for your complements as well. And I go 100 % with A K ji that you must stick to your wicket/ innings to carry out the mission of postings vintage and golden era songs thru your skillful bating . As estimated by Mumbaikar and AKji there seems to be enough scope to achieve the target of at least 350+ songs altogether.

    Giving a booster here with some more songs…..

    After deleting song no:108 , the numbering is changed.

    111.Jhoom jhoom ke nache manwa….Surindra nath……Kamal

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPcgZJWv9SE

    112.Thoda thoda pyar ho…..Shamshad…..Kamal Ke Phool

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsPed_2FVas

    113.Hato hato ji aati hain jadugarni….Shamshad, Pramodni ….Dilruba

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmLsHF2-eKM

    114.Koi Dil Mein Samaya Chupke Chupke ….Suraiya….Kamal Ka Phool

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02dmbPWSzew

    115.Dekho dekho ji….Geeta Dutt….Dilruba

    Very nice dance number with beautiful long prelude by composer Gyan Dutt. But who is the male singer in the prelude ? Any guess .

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8-RrcEsyA0

    ….to continue….

  109. AK
    You are indeed a campeador of unique themes. Bhatiaji has worked overtime and let loose a deluge which threatens to engulf everyone. He stands at a unique pedestal high up and others can look up in admiration. It is a matter of concern that many of these you tube links would vanish suddenly and lost forever. When I go through some old SOY posts, I see the grinning skeleton on many of the songs. Coute que coute. The only way out is to download mp3 content from these vintage songs posted by Venkataramanji, Arvinderji etc. and preserve it for posterity. Most of these songs do have a still as visual component and can be replicated at a future time as new you tube link. Will await for the considered opinion of the community.

  110. DP Rangan,
    YT removing the links from time to time is something we have to live with. Earlier downloading was simple. If you had downloaded Real Player on your computer, a link got automatically embedded on the top right corner of a YT video “Download with RealPlayer”. I don’t see that link now. There are a number of download softwares, but I have now become wary of malwares. The main risk is of the vanishing of 30s and 40s songs. For later period we are more likely to see replacements.

  111. DP Rangan,
    The software Freemale video downloader is a very good free software to convert YouTube video to mp3.
    All you need to do is copy and paste the url and click the option “convert to mp3”.
    Download only from their website and try to install in advanced version because with standard you might be dumped with unwanted softwares.
    If you do not want to do it, let us know what songs you want we can upload it on a cloud drive and you can move it to your computer from there.

  112. D P Rangan ji ;

    Rightly You said . The vintage songs of 30s and 40s needs to be preserved by whatever means . The efforts made by Venkatraman ji and Arvinder Sharma ji to locate and post the rare songs are the best gifts to SoY members . Preserving every such songs by whatever software available though will surely be a painstaking exercise .

  113. AK
    I have a plethora of software for doing the job. I have to make a start. I have Sandboxie installed and test all new software in it to see its performance.

    Mumbaikar8
    Thanks for the offer. I have latest version of Aiseesoft Streaming Audio Recorder which lifts mp3 from you tube easily. I can also record live video from you tube as it is played. Boilsoft video splitter and video joiner is another one. I have a soundcloud account too and uploaded an instrumental of Uran Khatola chariot song, which I posted on the Tonga post.

  114. AK Ji, Mumbaikar8 and Bhatia Ji
    Thanks for your encouraging words and I have decided to go the easier way for the next lot, picking up some of the best by Lata solos for the post. I had previously twenty songs last night, and the past vanished without a trace, so just five at a time.

    O Ji dhire 2 angana me
    O Ji Haule 2 angana me from Pardes MD Ghulam Mohammad

    https://youtu.be/IWQ2dIPzMmY

    Ang 2 me umang from Bahu MD Hemant Kumar

    https://youtu.be/5XpN_DbEb5c

    Dhire 2 kisne geet cheda-prelude
    Ye mujhko kaun bulaye from Gokul Ka Chor MD Sudhir Phadke

    https://youtu.be/hP-XNLDByo8

    Masti me jhoom 2 jiya lehraye from Sitara MD Ghulam Mohammad

    https://youtu.be/BjF_SIdpxvc

    O piya 2
    Kya man me tumhare main jaanu 3 from Chalees Baba Ek Chor MD SD Burman

    https://youtu.be/aRfTGLNpXjs

    Will continue…

  117. Ranganji,
    Thank you for uploading the songs.
    Bhatiaji, Dustedoff, Arvinderji and Peddadu have uploaded a large number of songs, some of them with the repeat words Chori-chori. This reminds of another vintage number.
    Chori Chori Mori Atariya Pe Aaja Re by Ram Kamlani and Surinder Kaur, film Nao (1948), lyrics D N Madhok, music Gyan Dutt
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5m9H0J3J_7Q

    Surinder Kaur is one of my favourite singers of pre-Lata period. Here is another repeat-word-song rendered by her.
    Mere Uljhe Uljhe Sapne, Sulajh Na Paye by Surinder Kaur, film Lal Dupatta (1948, lyrics Manohar Khanna, music Gyan Dutt
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS_w9yizma4

  119. In continuation

    Suno 2 suno Ji more Rasiya from Jhanak Jhanak Payal Baaje MD Vasant Desai

    https://youtu.be/r2GagXfS138

    Akele 2 Kahan ja rahe ho
    Tumhare sang main bhi chalungi Piya from Sohni Mahiwal MD Naushad

    https://youtu.be/UY9SEmfGbzA

    Gin 2 taare main haar gayi raat Ko from Jadoo MD Naushad

    https://youtu.be/NOWDqFnV70o

    Kadam behke 2 jiya dharak 2 jaye from Bank Manager MD Madanmohan

    https://youtu.be/9tnosabf4tY

    Dil jhoom 2 lehraye from Chandrasena MD Kalyanji Virji Shah

    https://youtu.be/rgsl13v6a5g

    Bansi ki dhun sun tere liye chun 2
    Layi main bagiya se gori 2 Kaliyan from Taaj MD Hemant Kumar

    https://youtu.be/YEHEwIbTPlg

    Jhuk 3 jhoom ghata from Chardiwari MD Salil Chowdhury

    https://youtu.be/ME9SH_mhchY

    Nagri 2 naach rahi hai from Ghar Ghar Ki Baat MD Kalyanji Virji Shah

    https://youtu.be/a_npuzPYVRQ

    Jhuki 2 ankhiyan from Payal MD Hemant Kumar

    https://youtu.be/gyOZmC1_kko

    Gori 2 chandni aur Poonam ki Raat
    Meethi 2 saajna se from Sinhaldweep Ki Sundari MD SN Tripathi

    https://youtu.be/CugC2nPv1C8

    With another genre of songs, will beck, adding more…

  120. Venkataram Ji
    Having lost my posts twice, was only concentrated on the post above, and couldn’t comment on your wonderful songs. Inspired me to post some melodious vintage duets next, having the repeat words.
    And dear Bhatia Ji is also consolidating his long innings by lovely vintage strokes, l with DP Rangan Ji also sharing a lovely vintage triple
    Will be back soon

  122. I am adding a few more songs, which might be of some relevance.

    Chupke chupke se jab se Geeta Dutt- Surendra Nath Maya Machchindra 1951 Premnath
    Chali chali re patang meri chali re Rafi- Bhabhi 1960 Chitragupta
    Jhoom jhoom dhalti raat Lata_ Kohra 1964 Hemant kumar
    Tumhe yaad karte karte Lata Amrapali 1966 Shankar-Jaikishan
    Jhoom raha hai rom rom Asha- others Stree 1961 C.Ramachandra
    Jhilmil jhilmil lahron ka Lata Stree 1961 C.Ramachandra
    Moree chhum chhum baje payaliya Lata Ghunghat 1960 Ravi
    Chhum chhum ghunguroo bole Asha Bhosle Kajal 1965 Ravi
    Wo phoole phoole phirte hain Rafi Amar Jyoti 1965 Vasant Desai
    Laagi re laagi re laagi Lata Amar Jyoti 1965 Vasant Desai
    Jhan jhan jhan jhan jhan baje payaliya Lata- Mahendra Kapoor Amar
    Jyoti 1965 Vasant Desai

    By the way KS.Bhatia @108,
    Your #111 song from Kamal has already listed by @89.

  123. A Huge Congratulations to AK
    He surely has won a runaway uncertain post out of the “goody, goody songs!” as he walked down the road of the “SoY.
    At first I thought AK was pulling the leg of Mumbaikar 8. Then I thought he was joining one of those elderly persons who hated Hindi film culture and film language etc.
    But then I realized his humour steadied the ship of the post and there was no topsy-turvy.but a plain sailing, steady as she goes!
    His taking us from songs to songs with the “Noun to Adverb” is a great invention. Many Vaiyakarans in the Hindi language Bhandar at Varanasi would have frowned upon for his daring to enter into their Sanatani Vaiyakarani Granathalay.
    But what do they know, about Hindi language in the last fifty or so years handled and manipulated by the Hindi Filmwalahs?
    I sincerely think that his present post should be used in the schools during the Hindi language and literature class. I am not joking!
    This will help the students how the words enrich language and expression and would further help them to write in good and amusing Hindi.
    From his examples I think the doubling of the words are not just embellishment as some reader suggested. The lyricists use them for subtle musical notes and nuances or many meanings of shades as well.
    For example in that popular Urdu verse “ (Gharse) Nikalaa to Akela Tha, Log Aaye Aur Karavan Ban Gaya” The words in my quotation may not be correct but the meaning should be.
    But supposing the poet used the doubling words like “Akelaa Akelaa Tha” then the whole meaning would be changed.
    The Hindi film language and literature certainly have improved the state of the language in the early many films. The writers like Kidar Sharma raised the standard of the language used in the films of the New Theatres. Similarly Diwan Sharar helped Raj Kamal and K.A. Abbas also kept RK lovable.
    In England post Beatles the professors of languages and public media found the Beatles songs as alluring as that of Dylan Thomas and Byron. Recently pop songs writer Bob Dylan was given Nobel Prize the same as Ravindra Nath Tagore got in his early youth.
    So my pitch is why Filmy Hindi should not be taught in the Indian schools?
    Shalan Lal
    P.S. ref:Song number 18 “Daga,daga Vai, vai
    The word “Vai” doubled means immediate punishment is required. The word also means “what a daring? As well. From the “Urdu Hindi Dictionary published by Uttear Pradesh. Tandan House, Luknow, 1959
    Pandit Santoshi wrote to create comic effect in the film “Sargam 1950 a character who would double the name e.g. Babu-Babu Bhai or Raja Raja Rajakumar etc.
    Shantaram’s Shakuntala 1943 had first opening song:
    “Pyari Pyari Ye Sukhad Maatrubhumi Apani” written by Ratan Piya music by Vasant Desai
    The song was to defy the British 1942-1946 censorship law.
    Shalan

  124. Peddadu,
    Nice songs.

    Shalan Lal,
    Thanks a lot for your generous praise. I would not give my article such a lofty position as a teaching material. The theme comes from the fact that Hindi (and as it turns out, other South Asian languages) has this unique feature of repeat words occurring inseparably. Why it is so in our languages and not in English/European languages is a matter for serious academic research.

    In the film songs, repeat words are of different kinds: one is those which are commonly used together, the other is using for the sake of fitting in meter. Yet, the third kind is nonsensical words, or what Mr Mankad has described as embellishment in the context of ‘vai vai’. Therefore, there was another approach possible to categorise the songs. Rather than POS, one could have categorised in terms of the kind of use

  125. Let me present some of the best of transitional era duets with the repeat words, and by transitional era, I mean the era of late forties and early fifties, when the composition style went through a change, keeping melody intact, and the instrumentation becoming more pronounced.
    Five songs at a time, for safety

    Sudhi teri madhur 2 from Malti Madhav by Sudhir Phadke and Lata MD Sudhir Phadke
    The lovely song was introduced by Venkataraman Ji a few years ago
    https://youtu.be/K3JzY-g3Ajw

    Baar 2 tum soch rahe ho from Girl’s School by Shankar Dasgupta and Lata MD Anil Biswas

    https://youtu.be/NmP0AiC76j4

    Ho kaale 2 baadal chaye Piya from Apni Chaya by Shamshad Begum and Mukesh MD Husnlal Bhagatram

    https://youtu.be/rakLpCPl7u4

    Bolo 2 sajan from Thes by Rajkumari and Mukesh MD Snehal Bhatkar

    https://youtu.be/Ow1FI-bPv7o

    Dhire 2 Dil me samaya from Husn Ka Chor by Shankar Dasgupta and Sandhya Mukherjee MD Husnlal Bhagatram

    https://youtu.be/MqjFgtEdsgU

    Will continue…

  126. Five more

    Chhip 2 kar mat dekho ji Bhanwar ji from Man Ki Jeet by Bharat Vyas and Sitara Devi (assuming as no information was there) MD SK Paul

    https://youtu.be/JGjyfvnCDms

    Dekho hara 2 ban from Bhookh by Anil Biswas and Shamshad Begum MD Anil Biswas

    https://youtu.be/AkPLCWvP4sI

    Saawan ki ghataao dhire 2 aana from Aage Badho by Khurshid and Rafi
    With a Debonair Dev in the song

    https://youtu.be/ga2Ui3kI3GA

    Kehte Hain Gyani…A lovely Heer style prelude by Shankar Dasgupta followed by Asha singing
    Dhundhla 2 armaan hai

    https://youtu.be/lAs-BhgrD_g

    Kisi ko kya khabar hamare dil par
    Kya 2
    Guzarti hai 3 from Bhai Behan by Prem Lata and Mukesh MD Shyam Sunder

    https://youtu.be/I_aFIAaBsr0

    Will be back..

  128. AK ji ;

    Coming back after a break due to break down of my computer . After fine tuning I think I have to restrict posting maximum of five songs as Arvinder Sharma ji is doing . So no risk is anticipated .

    116. Jaagi jaagi akhiyon ke sapno mein ….Rafi….Biwi aur Makaan

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PH2ztx73kXQ

    117.Ja ja re chanda ja re…..Lata…..Private Secretary

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA0fDFfnv8Y

    118. Bach bach kahun sach sach……Geeta Dutt….Farishta

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14uQHbzEMog

    119.Jhoom jhoom ke…..Geeta Dutt…..Coffee House

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beOy3mE5bFs

    120.Jhuka jhuka ke nigahen …..Mukesh, Asha…..Miss Coca Cola

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbUfCdEvots

    ….to be contd…..

  129. Ashwinji,
    #79
    Thanks for uploading the song “It was love, love, love, love, love alone”. I have heard Harry Bellafonte before, not this number. There are a number of Carmen Miranda’s songs with words repeated in succession. Like
    I, “Yi, Yi, Yi, Yi I, Yi, Yi, Yi, Yi ,I”,
    E olha o bambo de bambu, bamboo,
    Cai cai cai cai eu no vou te leventar,
    Co, Co, Co, Co, Co, Co, Ro
    Chica Chica Boom Chic
    Tico Tico no Fuba
    Chico Chico from Puerto Rico

    Unlike Hindi film songs most these repeat words in these songs (I think in Portugese) were mainly for embellishment, emphasis or for fitting the meter.

    I present one of them by Carmen Miranda from film That Night In Rio (1941)
    Cai cai cai cai
    eu no vou te leventar
    Cai cai cai cai
    quem mandou escorregar?

    Fall Fall Fall Fall
    I won’t help you get up
    Fall Fall Fall Fall
    Who told you to slip off?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnZPfTQ4KK4

  130. In continuation…..

    121.Chalo Chalo chale hum ….Rafi , Shamshad…..Alibaba and 40 Thieves

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY02XKRI4lk

    122.Dekho Dekho hazoor…..Rafi, Shamshad…..Alibaba 40 Theives

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSBVsQeuM1c

    123.Har zubaan ruki ruki…..Geeta Dutt….Baaz

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKdiDQlxv6k

    124.Bheega bheega pyar ka samaan….Rafi, Shamshad…..Saawan

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A9GH-HzFn0

    125.Basti basti parbat parbat gaata jaye…..Rafi….Railway Platform

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec4V8REAT5I

    ……to be contd…..

  131. Arvinderji,

    Thanks for the further additions. Bhatiaji is back with a bang. We are looking upto you to give Bhatiaji a semblance of competition. Few more additions from my side;

    Saaqi Saaqi Dil Bujh Hi Gayaa Hai Sine Men by Zohrabai Ambalewali, film Geet (1944), lyrics D N Madhok, music Naushad
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrpRmc2cEsw

    Piya Milan Ko Jane Wali by Amirbai Karnataki, film Dev Kanya (1946), lyrics ?, music Shyamsundar
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEn5ua54wYo

    Jiya Mora Bal Bal Jaye Re by Amirbai Karnataki, film Room No. 9 (1946), lyrics Nakshab Jarchvi, music Rasheed Atre
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYbKI2iQfJo

    Phir Badal Ghir Ghir Aaye Re by Raj Kumari and Zohrabai Ambalewali, film Gaon (1947), lyrics D N Madhok, music Khemchand Prakash
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAlpmV1edSI

    Miya Ji Chori Chori Mulaqat Na Karo by Zohrabai Ambalewali, film Parda (1949), lyrics Swami Ramanand Saraswati, music Sharmaji
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvXLmv5C81o

    Namaste ji, namaste ji by Mohammed Rafi, Shamshad Begum and Zohrabai Ambalewali, film Naach (1949), lyrics Nazim Panipati, music Husnlal Bhagatram
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLICeT7zi7M

  132. N Venkatraman ji;

    Thanks for reminding the Carmen Miranda song from ….That Night in Rio [ 1941 ] . As they say this song was very popular during 40s for one more reason and that is the typical outfit and dress wore by the dancer ; specially the hat which carried quite a number of fruits as decorated items.

    Bollywood was not far behind in copying the best of Hollywood and came up with two songs , one in 1943 picturised on Vyjyantimala’s mother in one tamil movie and the other on Bhanumati in Mangla [1950] movie . Both the songs qualifies for this post and is placed in a single video.

    126, 127….suno suno pyare,…..I yi yi yi ….shamshad [ both songs]

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec4V8REAT5I

    128.Jaiyo, Jaiyo sipahiya…..Shamshad , etc……Nishan [1949]
    [ This song has some parody reminder of folk songs too from bengal , pajab, gugrat etc…]
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xho_DvP1ZTo

    129.Kabootar aaja aaja re…..Geeta Dutt….Mangla[1950]

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPJ8iZWr2Ww

    130.Thandi Thandi raat mein….Shamshad….Saawan Ayaa Re[1949.]

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zVK98A0-Gg

    ….to be contd…..

  133. AK @124
    Parts of the two top songs:

    Girls, Girls, Girls Sung by Salors

    “Girls
    Girls
    Girls
    Yellow
    red
    black or white
    add a little bit of moonlight
    For this intercontinental romance.
    Shy girl
    sexy girl
    they all like that fancy world
    Champagne
    a gentle song and a slow dance.
    Who makes it fun to spend your money
    Who calls you honey
    most every day.
    Girls
    Girls
    Girls – Girls
    Girls
    Girls.
    Well”

    “She loves you Yeas, Yeah Yeash” Written and sung by the Beatles”
    “Oo, she loves you, yeah, yeah, yeah
    She loves you, yeah, yeah, yeah
    With a love like that
    You know you should be glad
    With a love like that
    You know you should be glad
    With a love like that
    You know you should be glad
    Yeah, yeah, yeah,
    Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah”

    Shalan

  134. Bhatiaji,
    You have sent my loose ball crashing into the sight screen for a boundary. Hats off.

    A few more songs from the fortys,
    Prabhu ji, prabhu ji pahale paanv pakhaarun byAmirbai Karnataki, film Bharat Milap (1942), lyrics Pt. Indira, music Shankar Rao Vyas
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdrX-fqZ6Ec

    Bairan Nindiya Kyun Nahi Aaye Kyun Nahi Aaye by Amirbai Karnataki, film Pujari (1946), lyrics Wali Saheb, music Hansraj Behl
    https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xn2j7x_bairan-nindiya-kyun-nahin-aaye-pujaari-1946_shortfilms

    Raat andheri raat andheri chamke tare chamke tare, by Zohrabai Ambalewali, film Dak Bangla (1947), lyrics D N Madhok, music Naresh Bhattacharya
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PZQst5dGfw

    Bolo Ji Dil Loge To Kya Kya Doge by Shamshad Begum and Md. Rafi, film Patanga (1949), lyrics Rajinder Krishan, music C Ramchandra
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PS-jAlgb5KE

  135. Arvinder Sharmaji,
    #125, 126: I am catching up with the songs posted by all the readers after some lag. Chhip chhip kar is too good. These are the songs which need to be downloaded and preserved lest YT take them off.

    Ashwin
    #127: Nice connection you have discovered. There is another connection I can’t help mentioning. Whenever there are two leading ladies, Sanjay Leela Bhansali can’t resist the temptation of having them dance together. He did the even in Devdas in violence of Sharat Chandra with the ‘item’ number Dol re dola re dola re between Madhuri Dixit and Aishwarya Rai. Incidentally, this also happens to have repeat words.

  136. KS Bhatiaji,
    With songs flowing from your bat thick and fast, I am taking time to catch up. The links of #116, 126-127 seem to be some other songs. But don’t worry. I was familiar with the first song, and the others I have heard on YT. Your #122, 129 and 130 are very good. #129 is especially sweet because of the piccturisation.

    Shalan,
    #133: Seems good. Can you please give the link of the song.

    Venkataramanji,
    The song Prabhuji gives me goosebumps. The kevat(s) is overwhelmed with devotion. There is a male voice too. Any idea who it is? Bharat Milap is also a landmark for Amirbai Karnataki, at par with Sindoor and Bhartrihari. There is a song in the same vein I have been looking for many years. It is the scene of Ram’s marriage, and the mother(s) are singing Mora lalana nahlaao ji. Can you or someone please help in locating that song. I have heard it once and fell in love instantly.

    I also immensely liked Jiya mora bal bal jaye.

  137. Venkataraman Ji and Bhatia Ji,
    Enjoyed your additions and especially the vintage songs. Each one is a real gem and have added to my playlists with thanks to both of You.
    AK Ji, thanks for your encouraging words and I can assure you that each one of my songs have been carefully handpicked, as I am especially inclined towards melody, at times even sacrificing some.
    Venkataraman Ji,
    Chasing Bhatia Ji is akin to a two wheeler in persuit of a Mercedes on the highway, so let’s have a song out of it and forgot competition .
    Would be back again and once again, thanks for the beautiful Songs.

  138. Venkatraman ji, Arvinder Sharma ji , AK ji ;

    Thanks for the time to time encouragements ; and that boost my confidence to stick to my wicket and face some more overs.

    No No No there is no competition . We all are riding a vintage 1932 prefect ford car , the likes of one seen in Chalti Ka naam Gaadi and enjoying free ride …..singing our heart out with its theme song…..Babu samjho ishaare , horn pukare pom pom pom . I think this song qualifies the test .

    Ak ji , The link to song #116 is correct . The song start like …..Jaane kahan dekha hai …followed by Jaggi jaagi akhiyoan ke sapnoan mein …
    The link to songs #126,127 , however , are wrong and the correct link is

    Suno suno pyaare…, …I yi yi yi

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0U8A1sQ3Ng

    ……to be contd…..

  139. Coming Back with some more songs….

    131. Amma Amma maien kisko pukarun….Lata….Bahut Din Huye

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuCKzhAhrDI

    132.Do Do haath….Asha, Rafi….Sharabi

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5s0ioQxIrwM

    133.Kadam Kadam Dil Se dil….Manna dey , Mukesh etc…Char Dil Char Rahen

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVdPAZfuGf0

    134.Jis pyar mein yeh haal ho us pyaar se tauba tauba…..Rafi, Mukesh…Phir Subha Hogi

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ztlS88Rf2M

    135.Ruk Ruk chamke…..Rafi….Pehli raat

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKr-yFlpHrc

    ….to be contd…

  140. In continuation….

    136.Rafta Rafta woh hamaare…..MK, Asha….Hum Kahan Ja rahe Hain

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxXK4UAp-bY

    137.Suno suno jaane man….Rafi, Asha….Baat ek raat ki

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVeAhGTPXB0

    138. Mori payal khul khul jaaye…..Rafi, Asha….Grahasthi

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4XjXXA9vqQ

    139.Bar Bar tujhe kya samjhaye….Lata, Rafi…..Aarti

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Do7dknvqPc

    140. Maarenge kas kas ke baan….Asha, Rafi…..Jashan

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpwZDQ1bgbo

    ….to be contd….

  141. In continuation….

    141. Suniye Suniye hamara fasana….Rafi, Geeta….Sindbad Ki Beti

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HB7BfLA6AtQ

    142.Dekho jhoomti jhoomti barsaat,…..Rafi, Asha…Mastani

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2k77vxHdbY

    143.Bheegi bheegi shaam……Geeta Dutt…..Sindbad Ki Beti

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDfNTBtZE6o

    144.Pyar koi kam kam kare…Asha, Rafi….Khiladi

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkeYyP4yC7Y

    145. O matware saajna chala chala mera pyar….Asha….Faulad

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGZdHeDwulQ

    146.Chori chori chandni mein…..Rafi, Asha….Mahasati Savitri

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctCRncnjAes

    …..to be contd.

  142. In continuation….

    147. Meri veena tum bin roye sajna sajna sajna…..Lata…Dekh Kabira Roye

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9GsypFzsyw

    148.Kat te hain dukh mein din pehlu badal badal ke…Lata…Parchaiyen

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kd7tp5Gpj8I

    149.Rula Kar Chal Diye ek din….chaman ro ro ke kehta hai…..Hemant Kumar….Badshah

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE1LzMHt1DE

    150.Nagri nagri dware dware dhoondun re ……Lata…..Mother India

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfeOKmvxpRk

    …..coming up shortly after break….

  143. I think after joining so late and reading so much genuine praise of the write-up, there is no point in attempting it myself. I would say Arunji (comment 24) has put it best, when he said he forgot the melancholy mood after going through a family death situation. Another person who forgets his pains as a result of such glorious posts by AK and other guests is Bhatiaji. He busies himself in the search for songs and consequently is, at least temporarily, relieved of his back pain.

    For me, this topic – besides the songs – took me to my early memories of pre-middle classes. In those days at least, there was a great emphasis by hindi teachers about purity of the language. They told us that twice use of the same word was wrong and they would call them निरर्थक शब्द. Since my father had lot of books, I would read them and I found a lot of these words in the writings of the greatest of hindi writers, after some time I found the courage to ask the teacher about that. His explanation was that the poets mostly used such words for the rhyming or meter requirements. As for the prose writers he called them exceptions and told us not to follow wrong principles. I was not convinced, because there was a lot of use of such words in daily use and found the use meaningful also. But, I did not debate the issue with him because firstly I did not have knowledge enough for the purpose and in those days in schools teachers were supreme.

    Now AK’s post has brought back the subject. These repeat words not only convey meaning but also different meanings in different contexts. Let us take chalte-chalte for example. These words have different meaning in ‘chalte-chalte mere ye geet’ (chalte chalte – kishore) and ‘yun hi koi mil gaya tha sare rah chalte-chalte’ (pakeezah – lata). But that is not all this chalte-chalte conveys another meaning in the song ‘badi der bayi-2, kab loge khabar more raam; chalte-chalte mere pag haare aayi jeevan ki sham.’ (basant bahar – rafi) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DXJD9wMkCw

    Even chal-chal, of which chalte-chalte is the modified form, conveys different meanings in ‘chal-chal re musafir chal’ (pooja -rafi)’, ‘chal-chal-chal mere hathi’ (hathi mere sathi – kishore) and ‘o pagle-2 der na hogi palchhin ki, ke jis din chal-chal-chal hogi’ (kinare kinare – rafi,usha) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FaIkrZQNrs

    But, this is not true in every case. See the use of jab-jab in different songs and I have always found it to mean almost the same thing. There are a number of songs which use jab-jab in mukhda and I would mention a few of them.
    1. jab-jab phool khile – shikast – talat/lata
    2. jab-jab tumhen bhulaya – jahanara – lata/asha
    3. uden jab-jab zulfen – naya daur – rafi/asha
    4. husn jab-jab ishq se – neend hamari khwab tumhare – rafi/asha
    5. jab-jab apna mel hua to dil – mahua – rafi
    6. mujhe jab-jab baharon ka….kal chaman tha – khandan – rafi
    7. jab jab bahaar aayi – taqdeer – rafi

    I have enjoyed the songs posted by all my fellow readers. Bhatiaji, Sharmaji, Venkatramanji are all regulars and Bhandarkarji has also been contributing a lot these days. But, the surprise packet is from Peddaduji and they are all my great favourites.

  145. Hans,
    Your comment is very enlightening. The theme does call for linguistic analysis. Thanks and congrats. Just proves that Dhoni even at no. 6 can dazzle.

  146. Amidst all these song showers which are on tempest scales, a raindrop from me. Am grateful to the veterans for this act of mercy. This song struck me just now.

    Buzdil (1951), Shailendra, S D Burman Lata Mangeshkar

    Jhan jhan jhan payal bhaje

    https://youtu.be/f80AD98_c3E

  147. Should have included one more song very well rendered by Manna Dey and almost similar to the one from Buzdil.

    Geet Govind (1947) Manna Dey, Lyrics Pandit Indra Chandra, Music Gyan Dutt
    Jhan jhan payaliya bhaje

    https://youtu.be/mXo3CVq6UsY

  149. Please pardon me for my act of intrusion. I discover one more song on this Jan jan payale bhaje sung by the doyen Amirbhai Karnataki for the film Chand Tara (1945), lyrics Swami Ramanand Sarawati, Music Gyan Dutt

    https://youtu.be/Da6LSTDQgGY

  152. D P Rangan ji ; @146 onwards ,

    Your innings with ….jhan jhan jhan payaliya baje ….is a great tourney . Finding all the songs at one place is a pleasure to listen to them . I am new to Amirbai Karnatki song from Chand Tara and enjoyed listening to it.

  153. Praveen ji;

    Nice additions of CR’s funny songs from Patanga . Keeping me in my high spirits.

    Hans ji;

    Thanks for your concern on my health issues . Yuo will be glad to know that I am relieved of my back pain and hope the numbness issue of my feet will also follow suit . I am regular in my outings and take rest in between . So no problems.

    Your affair with Hindi reminds me of my elder brother ,[ that you knew of him very well ,] was very enthieu about hindi . Out of some challenge among his colleagues he sat for some departmental exam for selection of Hindi officer and stood first and got the post . Needless to say he was the mentor of interest in hindi film music for all of us in the family.

    Liked your detailed comments on chal, chal ; chalte , chalte songs .

  154. AK ji @136,
    The link you were looking for (‘lalane nahawaoji’ from Bharat Milap) is given below:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-AmHNu2kDM

    I am listing 3 more songs:
    Kadam kadam badhaye ja Chitalkar Ramchandra Samadhi 1950 C.Ramachandra
    Kadam kadam badhaye ja Rafi-others Bada Bhai 1957 Shauqat Dehlvi AKA Naashad
    Haule haule jhooleho jhoole Lata(?) Bahut Din Hue 1954 BS Kalla &
    E.S.Shastri

  155. Going through the write-ups of SoY in its 7th year, I find this post, if we go by the number of comments posted till now (150+), to be the second most popular one. Only “Kuchh to log kahenge” had attracted more comments (227). Shalanji and Hansji have embellished this post with their enlightened comments. Bhatiaji, after completing his 150, has taken fresh stance. With Hansji, Arvinderji, Ranganji, Peddadugaru and others to give you company, you will not run out of partners. Expecting you to complete your double century before the innings comes to an end. Let me contribute a few.
    Rut anokhi pyar anokha tera mera sath anokha aao sajanva chupke chupke aao sajanva chupke chupke by Zohrabai Ambalewali, film Har Har Mahadev (1950), lyrics Saraswati Kumar Deepak (?), music Avinash Vyas
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHe5kDgSd-8

    Lelo Lelo Phuldani Lelo by Shamshad Begum, Zohrabai Ambalewali and Md. Rafi, film Jadoo (1951), lyrics Shakeel Badayuni, music Naushad
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCtforFIDns

    Gaao Taraane Man Ke Ji, Chham Chham, by Shamshad Begum, Md. Rafi, Lata Mangeshkar and Shyam, film Aan (1952), lyrics Shakeel Badayuni, music Naushad
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_41GEg1zfaQ

    Tere Sang Sang Sang Piya Khel Ke Main Rang by Lata Mangeshkar, film Insaniyaat (1955), lyrics Rajinder Krishan, music C Ramchandra
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgpA-1oJU4g

    Rimjhim Rimjhim Barkha Barse Nain More Tarse by Lata Mangeshkar, film Tangawali (1955), lyrics Prem Dhawan, music Salil Chowdhury
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2c0BPwEezs

  156. Continuing with some more songs ……this time with some happy dance numbers from Shankar Jaikishan kitty , my fav. Music Directors . Note the beats , taal, dholak , rhythm , ghoongroo and beautiful orchestra playing in all the songs .

    151.Aaja aaja aaja nadiya kinare…..Lata…..Rajhath

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfJ8Sz-9VBs

    152.Bagoan mein baharoan ….najuk najuk kaliyon….Lata…Choti Bahen

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo4hmUR9s-o

    153.Cham cham lo suno cham cham…..Lata…Ujala

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SM4mgXpAsM

    154.Jhoomta mausam ….yalah yalah dil lai gaiyee…Lata, Manna..Ujala

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6sBs0l0FH4

    155.Baat baat mein rootho na…..Lata…..Seema

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXG4_TLA5qA

    ….to continue…..

  158. Venkataramanji
    “Going through the write-ups of SoY in its 7th year, I find this post, if we go by the number of comments posted till now (150+), to be the second most popular one. Only “Kuchh to log kahenge” had attracted more comments (227).”
    I thought along the same line this morning, as the night is still young and the runs flowing in from so many bats we can expect to go much beyond.

    Ksbhatiaji @141
    Your song #145 Oh matwale sajna is short, I am familiar with this song, it is not chala chala it is chhalak gaya.

  159. AKji,
    #136
    I am glad you liked the songs Prabhuji Prabhuji and Jiya mora bal bal jaye. Both Prem Adib as Ram and Shahu Modak as Bharat were there in the movie. But I am sure, none of them lent their voice for this song Prabhuji Prabhuji. And the song was picturised on Nishad Raja/ Kevatiya. I can only make a calculated guess. Shankar Rao Vyas himself might have lent his voice. Not very sure. It is difficult to get the singers’ name for vintage films. I think, our most revered and dear Arunji can help us in this regard. Peddadugaru has pipped me in posting the song Lalan nahawaawo ji. But there were more repeat-word songs in Bharat Milap (1942). Jug Jug Jivo Re Jug Jug Jivo Re, Utho Utho He Bharat Tumhaare, Jhananan Jhananan Baaj Rahi Hai, Aayaa Raam Raajy Tyohaar and kal honge raja ram kal honge raja ram. Here is the last song.
    Kal honge raja ram, raja ram ram ram re kal honge raja ram, kal ram ram ram re kal honge raja ram
    By Kaushalya and Madhusudan, lyrics Pandit Anuj
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsPm9T6chOw

    With Praveenji and Mumbaikarji chipping with their share, Achhe din to aagaye hain for SoY. With our Sarathi Bhatiaji in command (riding his Mercedes Rath), we will touch new milestones, with the slogan “Sab ke saath sab ka manoranjan. We have reached Bharat Milap. Our next destination is Ram Rajya, I mean Ram Rajya of 1943, made by the same team with the same lead casts. Here are some repeat-word songs from this film.

    A well-known song
    Kuch bol bol bol been madhur madhur kachu bol by Saraswati Rane, lyrics Ramesh Gupta, music Shankar Rao Vyas
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q3lXwiyyvo

    Jiya dole jiya dole jiya dole dole dole
    aaj jiya dole anand se hamaro
    aaj jiya dole anand se hamaro
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwXeqKu9aHw

    Jhul tu jhul, jhul tu jhul
    jhule me jhul tu jhule me jhul
    jhule me jhul lallaa jhule me jhul
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLTvbkdOgeg

    Dekho dekho dekho dekho ramrajya me
    chahu dish ajab khushali hai
    chahu dish ajab khushali hai
    sukh sampati se hari bhari is bharat ki phulwari hai
    is bharat ki phulwari hai
    kahi yagya hawan kahi vesh pathan
    gaumata ki rakhwali hai gaumata ki rakhwali hai
    hare bhare hai khet ann jal mile sada bhar peth
    jhumati dali dali hai jhumati dali dali hai
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev2ZfIGil8I

    With the advent of Ram Rajya there should be Anand hi Anand everywhere.
    Hey anand bhayo re
    hey bhayo re, hey bhayo re hey
    anand bhayo, are anand bhayo re
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFOmulCOxCo

    Let us move from Treta Yug to Dwapara Yug.
    Here is a classical number by Pt.Jasraj, Aaj to Anand Anand.
    Aaj to Anand Anand
    Puran Brahma Sakal Ghat Vyapak
    So Aayo Grah Nand
    Garg Parasar auru Muni Narad
    Padath Veda Shruthi Chhanda
    Om Puranamadah Purnamidam Purnaat Purnamudachyate,
    Purnasya Purnamaadaaye Purnamevaavashishyate.
    Harijeevan Prabhu Gokula Pragata
    Mithe Sakala Dukha-dvanda

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDRgI4OD6Bs

    Now who will deliver us through Kali Yug? Akji?

  160. AK @ 136

    The Beatls’ first two Albums were very popular in the early sixities.

    The Sailors single appeared late sixties and early seventies and it bacame a runaway success and ever since it had been used by many including mighty Elvis Presley as well.

    At present there is a discussion in the media and pop culture that the “Beatles ” should have been given Nobel Prize.

    There is still hositlity between fans of John Lennon and the fans of Paul Macartney. In certain way I think Paul is far too superior as the lyricist but as the destroyer of the Beatles he has to carry the can.
    The songs I quoted were from my own collection and memories.

    However you should find them on the Internet.

    Shalan Lal

  161. Hans @143

    I totally agree with the view you presented and I am glad AK felt to agree with it as well. Your description of the “Teaching ethos” at the time was very good and how the authoritative teaching held back many good creative writers at the time and held theprogress of the language. We really have to thank the Fimly writers and lyricists to move forward with the langauge and time.

    Thanks agian for bringing in the issue.

    Shalan

    AK@136

    The singing voice in both Ramrajya and Bharat Milap both in Marathi versions as well of that of Manna Dey. We had one 78RPM record of Ramrajya and Manna’s name was there.

    Shalan

  162. Peddadu @154,
    God bless you! And to think that I have been struggling for this song for three years! YT search at times behaves whimsically. I was missing it probably because the song starts with Rani Kaushalya kahe.

    Venkataramanji @155,
    Le lo le lo phuldani le lo: Naushad inspired by C Ramchandra?

    @159
    I feel honoured that I have to deliver the faithful through the Kaliyug. Kaliyug is about uninhibited enjoyment of pleasure. Can anything beat:
    मस्ती भरी रात है
    सोनी कुड़ियों का भी साथ है
    जीने का ले ले मज़ा
    डरने की क्या बात है
    ना ना ना ना ना रे ना रे ना रे

    Na na na na na re na re na re by Daler Mehdi from Mrityudata (1997), lyrics Sameer, music Anand-Milind

    In case you are shocked by the permissiveness, here is a monogamous song. Mika Singh has great respect for our culture and traditions with unparalleled intensity of love:

    Dhinka chika dhinka chika
    Dhinka chika dhinka chika re

    Baarah maheene me baarah tareeke se tujhko pyar jataaunga re
    Dhinka chika dhinka chika re

    Baarah minute bhi lagta hai ab na tere bina rah paaunga re

    January mein jab aayegi winter
    On kar lenge chaahat ka winter
    February jitni chhoti rajaai
    Jisme karen hum chhuppam chhupaai

    The song goes on to describe similar intense love for each month of the calendar. I have not heard such literal ‘Barahmasa’ in our classical/semi-classical repertoire.

    Dhinka chika dhinka chika by Mika Singh and Amrita Kak from Ready (2011), lyrics Ashish Pandit, music Devi Sri Prasad

    Shalan Lal,
    We know Manna Dey sang in Ram Rajya (1943), but I doubt if he sang in Bharat Milap (1942). The unknown voice does not match with his.

  163. Bhatiaji,
    I am glad you have recovered from the back pain and I am sure the numbness will also go because that also comes from the back.

    Your elder brother was a very dear friend of mine. We shared many common interests including music and films. He introduced me to European language films and he had an endless stock of quality jokes. He told me how closely knit your whole family is. I felt very sad when you conveyed the news of his demise. I would have loved to meet him once more before that. I and my wife often talk about him. I still have the video cassette of Phir Wohi Dil Laya Hoon which he presented to me. This I intend to preserve as memory or our friendship.

    We liked many songs and this common liking I share with you. One other common interest between you and me is the love for the red cherry. I also opened for my team. I agree with you that the willing or natural openers have always an advantage in Indian cricket where there is a natural fear for the red cherry. Players like Sachin who opened in shorter version due to the white ball and limits on bouncers could not dare to open in the Tests. i joined my school team before I was 14 as a bowler and in that year came at number 11. As it happened, I was never dismissed at no. 11 in that year. So, when the openers of our school passed out the next year, I was offered the openers’ job which I gladly accepted. As only our higher secondary school and the only college in the town had cricket teams, there was a lot of inter-action. At that time our school’s hockey, cricket and kabaddi teams were superior to the college team. So when I went to college next year, the established seniors tried to play down my role by offering me to bat at no.6 or 7 for the sake of middle order stability. I simply told them that I would be in the team only if I open and face the first ball always.

  164. Mumbaikar8,
    Thanks for the compliments. You have declared Bhatiaji’s song 145 as short, but that starts with ‘o matware saajna’ which is repeated twice. Look at ‘badi der bhai’ which I mentioned in my last post. It has also repeat words ‘badi der bhai’ at the start, though chalte-chalte also appears in the second line of mukhda. You can enjoy two more songs in this category from Faulad, ‘yaad tori aayi main to chham-chham royi re’ (one of the sweetest songs sung by Asha and GS Kohli excels his guru OPN) and ‘ jane jana yun na dekho’
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXlbj2z5XkY
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjTZR9sUpyY

    AK,
    Thanks for the compliments. The idea of the teacher came into my mind, when you mentioned the dialogue between OM Prakash and Dharmendra, because that teacher’s first example was ‘khade-khade’. This film Chupke Chupke is one of the most favourite films of mine, because of the theme. This film has also another unique achievement to its name. This film was broadcast by DD to dissuade people from venturing out during the period of the solar eclipse which occurred on Feb. 16, 1980. The Indian Govt declared half day holiday also on that day. The streets of Delhi looked as if there was curfew on that afternoon, though the eclipse was only partial.

    Regarding linguistic analysis, I think the lyricists of the golden era require to be analysed better. In fact, I believe that the great lyricists have an important role in making it the golden era and there were a number of them. Persons like Rajendra Krishan had multi-faceted roles. He wrote the stories, scripts, dialogues besides lyrics. Padosan, for which you gave credit to KK, was entirely his creation. In that film there was a dialogue uttered many times by Agha ‘jab-jab jo-jo hona hai, tab-tab so-so hota hai’. A number of repeat word songs created by him, have already been listed by others. Padosan is also a storehouse for repeat word songs out of which only one ‘main chali’ has been listed. Rajendra Krishan created the comic effect with a number of repeat words in the songs ‘ek chatur naar’, ‘kehna hai’ and ‘meri pyari bindu’. Even the most famous song of the film ‘mere samne wali khidki’ contains repeat words ukhda-ukhda in the second line of the mukhda. ‘Bhai battoor’ is also repeat word song.

    You declared song 108 by Bhatiaji as not fitting the theme. I think that is not correct. Because if that is the criteria then ‘isharon isharon’ may also go out. Look at the mukhda of ‘mama o mama’ from Parvarish sung by Rafi and Manna Dey. Though this song qualifies on the basis of repetition of the word mama, the word to take note of is ‘chakkar’. It goes thus ‘gharwale khayen chakkar, aisa hai apna chakkar, chakkar men tum nahin aana or pyare mama. You see chakkar has been used thrice here and it has a different meaning at every place. Hasrat Jaipuri, who was the lyricist has shown great creativity here. Such creations should not be ignored for a technicality. Enjoy the song:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dphargF73j4

    As it is very late today, I will continue the discussion and also post some songs tomorrow.

  165. Hans,
    You have again uplifted the discussion. Very nice observation about Padosan. Unfortunately, lyricists were also among people who remained relatively behind the curtains.

    #108 by KS Bhatiaji. If we make it unrestrained, it is true we might lose some good songs. But including such songs misses the underlying linguistic uniqueness of repeat words which are so peculiar to our languages. You have youself carried forward discussion on these lines. But my caution was more a gentle leg pulling of our respected senior. 🙂

    Chham chham royi re is also my great favourite. I also like Mama mama O mama re agreat deal. When I was seraching for the songs for ‘The Great Indian Family’, that was one of the few songs I could find for maternal uncle.

  166. Shalanji,
    Thanks for the support and the concern for our language despite living in a foreign country. I highlighted the general approach to Hindi teaching, but their were sensible people also. During my govt service I spent about 8 years in the Official Language Department under the Ministry of Home Affairs. Functioning of that Department summarised the approach to the language. One school of thought wanted only sanskritised Hindi and they were even against use of Urdu words most of which had origins in the local languages. People with the other extreme thought wanted to allow the use of English words in Devnagari script. The middle path people hoped for a language which is beautiful and it does not lose its originality. When I came to Delhi in 1977, I had in mind the propaganda that south indian people opposed Hindi. But, in Delhi I found it otherwise. What to talk of Hindi, even regional languages are losing ground and the people do not have the same pride in their language. One of my classmates from the small town, who actually came from a village objected to my four year son speaking in Haryanvi. I told him frankly that my son would first learn to speak Haryanvi, then Hindi and then English or any foreign language. After this he stopped socialising with us, fearing that this would spoil the language of his children. In 1977, a number of my panjabi friends talked in panjabi in mutual conversation, but after about 15 years they stopped that practice. Bhatiaji would testify this. The same is the case with other regional languages.

    Hindi cinema was also not left untouched and there was call for use of shudh hindi. But, better sense and commercial interests soon won over the movement.

  167. AK,
    Before I move on to the discussion, let me say something about dazzle of Dhoni. There is no doubt, he is a good player, but I am not impressed with the present propaganda and remember past performances also. I had earlier given my views about Ashwin and Jadeja. For me little master is only Sunil Gavaskar, who faced the best of pace bowling without a helmet and without the bouncer limit rule and the ball never even brushed his scalp. Compare him with Sachin, who wears the helmet and gets struck on that helmet at the rate of half a dozen times per year from bowlers with less than half of the capability of the bowlers from the Sunny era.

    You must remember, there was the Lords Test in 1990, where India needed 454 to save the follow on. India were 348 for 6 when Kapil Dev arrived at the crease with India still needing 106. Kapil scored an unbeaten 77 from 75 balls. After Azhar got out at 393, he took the score to 430 with More. Fraser then dealt a double blow when he dismissed More and Sanjeev Sharma in three balls. Narendra Hirwani, whose batting prowess was well known, somehow blocked the last ball of that over. Now Kapil Dev knew he has to do it on his own and that too in the next over. He blocked the first two balls perhaps to get hold of the nerves and dispatched the next balls straight for sixes thus avoiding follow-on. That is called dazzling display. He scored 8 hundreds in Tests despite him being the main strike bowler, 3 of them on foreign soil (one each in England, South Africa and West Indies). Dhoni just scored one hundred in Pakistan, if we can call it foreign soil. Remaining 5 of his tons came in India on pitches which were blatantly manipulated and against a much lesser opposition. Kapil had much better strike rate than Dhoni in both Tests and ODIs.

    Coming to the discussion. I would have appealed to you to take back your diktat on ‘bam chike’ posted by Venkataramanji, but you have already posted ‘dhinka chika’. Why I wanted you to include such songs was because some nonsensical lines have made great impact as repeat songs. Take this song ‘beta dar mat dar mat dar mat’ from Bhai Behan.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc5TPzDBgAE
    This song is pure repeat word song and one of the best, but what I want to highlight is its last antara which goes like this नाचो डिंग डिंग डिंग डिंग डारा, गाओ ता रा रा रा रा रा, बोलो गिटमिट – ३, ले लो हमसे ख़ुशी का परमिट. Now some may call it nonsensical but it creates a great impact joined with Johny Walker’s acting. Another song that comes to mind is ‘aa gup-chup gup-chup pyare’.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmbuvJHTVQ8
    This song is also in its mukhda itself a repeat word song, but the real impact comes from the words which accompany the song at the start and between the antaras. What to say of the meaning, I have not been able to fully understand the words.

    You posted Daler Mehndi’s na na na na na re. Why this one when we have our own most popular songs from the SOY era. Bhatiaji has already posted at least one such song from Aar Paar. I will post 3 more.
    Na na na re na na hath na lagana – taj mahal – suman and meenu
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0r6w837bDi4
    Na na karte-2, pyar tumhin se – jab jab phool khile – rafi and lata
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4-6lF_KVJw
    and the Rafi-Lata duet from Aradhana ‘baghon men bahaar hai’ which was the most popular song from this film. It starts with Lata chanting na na 8 times in her sweet voice and also ends likewise.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78JhA_TJvBI

  168. Hans,
    Your knowledge of cricket too is impressive.

    About ‘Na na na na na re’ and ‘Dhinka chika’, perhaps you didn’t notice the context. It was Venkataramanji’s discussion about Treta and Dwapar and requested if I could deliver salvation in Kaliyug.

  169. Hans ji AK ji ;

    I am really enjoying the discussions that is going on . I can make a statement here….. that who loves music loves sports too . And Those who play sports are good listeners to good music too. But , as Oprah says , ….Be thankful to what you have ; you will end up having more . Prayers always bring surprises .

    Hans ji , Thanks for the nice words written about my elder brother . We will share some more of the hidden talents of my other brothers [ Yes we are seven brothers and two sisters ] when we meet next .

    So far I think all of us have posted some very fine songs which are mostly from B & W era . I am going to continue to post some more of them till they are exhausted . Then upon I shall be back with some songs from colored eras . If there is a break , assume that my computer is not cooperating .

    Continuing with some more melodies of Shankar Jaikishan.

    156. Iile bili lai la din hain pyare pyare….Lata…Kali Ghata

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-bsxUGBumM

    157.Humse na poocho koi pyar kya …hans hans ke…Lata…Kali Ghata

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3wNAHVv2NQ

    158.Jhoome jhoome dil mera…..Lata… Poonam

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sj1lBOjveqI

    159.Tera jalwa jisne dekho….sochte sochte sawera ho gaya…Lata..Ujala

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk_rXgCSpkI

    160.Sun le mere payaloan ke geet sajna……Lata …Sasural

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1I_uLBkDzg

    to be contd….

  171. Hans,
    I declared song # 145 short citing Bhatiaji’s words
    “O matware saajna chala chala mera pyar….Asha….Faulad”
    You have shifted the post from chhalak gaya mera pyaar to ooo matwale sajana comparing it to badi der bhaee badi der bhaee, personally I think these two are not comparable because in bada der bhaee throughout the song when the phrase is used it is repeated while oo matwale sajna is repeated only once in the beginning, seems like some musical liberty:). This is my opinion the higher authority can the take the decision if it is important enough:)
    Song from Dil deke dekho phrase repeated plus each antra starts with a repeat word.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmKqnL6fn-c

  172. Ksbhatiaji,
    AK in his comment said ‘Even if we take 20% as the memorable songs, 10% of that, i.e. 2% of the approximately 45000 songs up to the Golden Era would have repeat words. Thus we are talking about close to 1000 memorable songs that should have repeat words.”
    I think he has underestimated the power of memory of people like Gaddeswarupji. I was surprised to see him pull out these ( female singer and duet in particular) songs from memory. Shocked by memory power I would estimate around 2000 songs and with Hans twitching the rule I can stick my neck out and say we can double it up that is 4000.
    “gaddeswarup March 30, 2017 at 9:57 am
    Best songs of 1948: And the winners are?
    More by what I remember than by examining the whole collection:
    Best male playback singer: Mukesh, Gayeja geet , Mela
    Best female playback singer: Greta Dutt, O..O Ban Ke Azad Panchhi, Hua Savera
    Best duets:45. Ayi gori Radhika Brij mein bal khati – Meena Kapoor & Neenu Mazumdar
    Best music director: Naushad, Mela”

  173. Hans,
    Chupke chupke is one of my favorite too it is next generation that is my children’s favorite too.
    The dialogue आके आके खड़ा हुआ हूं was regular in their conversation it so happened recently that my son was standing behind my back, I asked him what are you doing? his answer was आके आके खड़ा हुआ हूं we burst into laughter suddenly batti jal gayi oh this can an interesting idea for SOY. The other dialogue that was used mockingly was ‘हूँ ना नहीं हैं ना “
    Chupke Chupke rom (2. 03 to 2.05)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aglxZ0CFGh8
    I had this movie on VHS and whenever my sons’ playfulness would turn violent (raising two boys is a mighty task) I would turn this movie on to calm them down.
    The other movie was Chalti ka Naam Gaadi.
    Two songs on this theme from Chalti ka Naam Gaadi. One more title song was mentioned by Bhatiaji
    My sons’ favorite songs till date
    Yane yane yane pyar ho gaya, manu tera hua ab mera ya hoga
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7S79fOgikc
    Paanch Rupaiya Baara Aanaa
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEJGRwJGFsI

  174. Bhatiayaji, Like you I am also a SJ fan. You have missed so far
    nas nas mein agan tuto hai badan from the film Jaha Pyar mile sung by Lata

  175. A few more:

    1. ‘Mausam mausam, lovely mausam’ by Sulakshana Pandit/Anwar from Thodisi bewafai (MD-Khayyam/Lyricist – Gulzar).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXyQDjYAq9I

    2. One more from the Khayyam/Sulakshana Pandit combo – ‘Ang ang rang chalkaaye’ from ‘Sandhya’.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgvxjWEZ6EU

    3. ‘Gun guna rahe hain bhanware’ from ‘Aradhana’ (Rafi-Asha/SD/Anand Bakshi):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcH4y3A51-U

    4. ‘Gali gali mein kiya re badnaam’ from ‘Hanste Zakhm’ (Asha/Madan Mohan/Kaifi Azmi):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIFOqTTPPDE

    5. ‘Chori chori koyi aaye’ from ‘Noorie’ (Lata-Nitin Mukesh/Khayyam/Naqsh Lyallpuri):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OLa6Fr24lI

  176. Correction – ‘Chori chori koyi aaye’ is a Lata solo, not a Lata-Nitin Mukesh duet.

  177. Hans @166

    It is pity that in India the discussion about good Hindi, pure Hindi, Punjabi Hindi, Urdu Hindi, UPian Hindi, Deccani Hindi, Lucknow Hindi, bengali Hindi, Mharashtrian Hindi and so on still goes on. I hardly know the difference between Hariyanvi Hindi and Punjabi Hindi. And it does not matter to me.

    Whateve they are they all are sweet to me.

    About twenty years or so back Vaijayanthi Mala was main guest to go down the memory lane of her films.
    The inteviewer probably a Delhi Hindiwalah asked her how a Tamil person like her spoke so well in Hindi without any accent?

    She remarked that her mother was Hindi Pracharini in Madras! She picked up good Hindi from her mother tongue!

    Shalan Lal

  178. Raghavan ji ;

    Good to know you are SJ’s music fan too. The song from …Jahan Pyar Mile is in my mind . So far it is being kept pending , as many of theme songs from colored era’s are waiting ; banging their doors to get themselves included . Here are a few more of SJ songs…..

    165. Holi aayi pyari pyari…Lata, Rafi….Pooja

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJcUDUpC258

    166.Matwaali naar thumak thumak…..Mukesh…Ek phool char kante

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlbI7WXnh4E

    167. Tera mera pyar amar…Lata…. Asli Naqli

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV0-rrdPJKw

    168.Le gaya le gaya dil legaya….Lata…..Badshah

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjlLS5cHJlU

    169.Do din ki zindgi mein ……Lata…..Poonam

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlO49ffynPI

    …..to be contd.

  179. Bhatiaji,
    I have listened to numerous praise songs, but none can beat these lines from the song ‘zikra hota hai jab qayamat ka’ from My Love, composed by Daan Singh, written by Anand Bakshi and immortalised by the unique voice of Mukesh.

    तुझको देखा है मेरी नज़रों ने, तेरी तारीफ हो मगर कैसे,
    के बने ये नज़र ज़ुबाँ कैसे, के बने ये ज़ुबाँ नज़र कैसे,
    ना ज़ुबाँ को दिखाई देता है ना निगाहों से बात होती है

    When praising somebody like your brother, I find myself in the same situation. If I had the writing ability of AK, my praise would have looked nicer. Our friendship was not an ordinary one. And yes, he had told me about nine siblings and your Vasant Vihar Bungalow and many other things.

    Regarding your wish to exhaust the repeat songs, I would say it is likely to remain unfulfilled. They are not going to be exhausted even if the whole SOY team post double tons.

  180. Hans ji ;

    Thanks for your shower of praises for my brother who truly was a multi disciplined in many fields that attracted many like minded people from all walks of life . I can imagine the excellent time that you must have spend together sharing your own great knowledge with him . Every one getting entertained by his live jokes was another great feature he excelled in .

    You are right , the more I intend to hurry my closing of B & W period songs the more I get myself surrounded by them . I think it is sure to overtake 200+ stone . Poor colored era songs may have to wait for more time.

    To keep the score board ticking , here are some more…..

    170.Chori chori dil ka lagaana….Talat, Asha…..Bada Bhai

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQd7BdDGeF0

    171.Mera maan jhoom jhoom laheraiye….Talat, Asha…For ladies Only

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eG5Wu3r3L0E

    172.Dil jhoom jhoom laheraiye….lata…Chandrasen

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgsl13v6a5g

    173.Kadam Kadam pe baharien lootata….Rafi , Lata…Madam XYZ
    [ another beautiful melody by Chitragupt.]
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6m1KJHHNEU

    174. Soi Soi chandni hai….Lata….Khazana

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2oRMVPmK40

    …..to be contd.

  181. AK,
    Sorry I did not see the context. But, first I should apologise to Venkataramanji, for not looking seriously at his post, because otherwise he would take a revenge on me by not looking at my posts, which without an exception are lengthy ones. My only defence is that it was late when I opened the site and I had to post my comments. So I took a cursory look and finding that he has given lyrics in detail and having no time to listen to the songs I moved on.

    Regarding cricket I would endorse Bhatiaji’s views. You are also a tennis player. In that field I am perhaps an exception, because I gained quite a good level in many games like hockey, badminton, chess and table tennis. In cricket also I was an all rounder, did informal coaching, organised tournaments, and umpired a lot. After I took VRS in 1998, I had gone back to Charkhi Dadri. In the winter of 1999-2000, Kargil Benefit match was organised in which a number of Delhi-based cricketers like Chetan Sharma, Sehwag, Maninder Singh, Ajay Sharma participated and I umpired in that match.

    I have so much interest in sports perhaps, because my father was a very good hockey and chess player. He met the great Dhyan Chand when he was studying law in Delhi University. Dhyan Chand was a simple man and he came one day to university grounds. The players there requested him to show his dribbling skills and he agreed though he was in his late forties and out of practice. My father told me that when the great man started his dribbling, all the players present their – and they were 14-15 of them – tried to dispossess him but failed. After about 10 minutes, he got fed up and scooped the ball with such power and finesse that the ball was lost. When they praised him, he just said that ‘saans chadh gaya tha warna aur khelta’ and walked away.

    Continuing with music and particularly Rajendra Krishan, music lovers know that he had a long association with CR. Albela was a comedy like Padosan. See his specialisation in using repeat words for comic effect.

    ‘O beta jee’ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DPN72QhjH8
    ‘shola jo bhadke’ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPBp45fKado
    ‘sham dhale’ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtfLGrz2XYM
    ‘mere dil ki ghadi’ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4BnTUbXjXc

    I am not posting ‘bholi surat’ which also falls in this category, because I want to post ‘baabdi boobdi bum bum’ from Khazana, which is a unique song in this category and will highlight his specialisation of repeat word songs. If I post more than 5 the comment would go into moderation. I have a request to make here. Can we not have the old arrangement of allowing 10 songs in one go.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8D_PgiSrgTU

    As we see Rajendra Krishan maintained the high level of writing such songs after 17 years in Padosan though CR had gone out of fashion by then.

    RK also wrote lyrics for Azaad which also has a number of repeat word songs and I will only list five from that film because of the five link limit. Here are they:
    1. radha na bole – lata
    2. aplam chaplam – lata and usha
    3. ja ri ja ri o kari badariya – lata
    4. o baliye o baliye chal chaliye – lata and usha
    5. dekhoji bahaar aayi – lata

  182. Mumbaikar8,
    I agree that the treatment of ‘badi der bhai’ and ‘o matware saajna’ is different. The MDs repeated the mukhda just after the antara in different ways. Sometimes they would repeat the first line, sometimes the first few words and in rare cases even the last lines of the mukhda. That is the difference between these two songs. I first entered a theme when AK posted Mukesh’s Dil songs. There he posted the song ‘ye mera deewanapan hai’ which did not have ‘dil’ in the mukhda, but he specifically mentioned that ‘dil’ is present in the aalaap before the song ‘ dil se tujhko bedili hai’. I posted a long list of Mukesh songs with ‘dil’ in it. After having a cursory look AK said that some of them do not seem to fit, basic reason was perhaps he thought there could not be so many ‘dil’ songs. When I persisted, he listened to the mukhdas and agreed that all did fit in the theme. Ever since I have understood that if the theme is present in the mukhda or aalaap it is acceptable and have followed that. I myself take every care to post only eligible songs. You must have seen that when their was so-called medal race going I had defended those who posted against the objections raised. I have come to the defence of Bhatiaji in the same sense. I believe that those who post songs are all mature people and know what they are posting and the readers are also mature people and they can choose what to like and what not to like.

    Here I would present a different case. There is a song ‘ye dil diwana hai’ from Ishq Par Jor Nahin. Look at the wordings of the mukhda. The whole of the mukhda uses just these four words except using ‘to’ at one place. The mukhda goes ये दिल दीवाना है, दिल तो दीवाना है, दीवाना दिल है ये दिल दीवाना. Do you not consider this a great artistry of lyrics by Anand Bakshi. And what a composition from SDB too and the great rendering by two of the best singers makes it a great mukhda. I think any music lover can go on listening only the mukhda again and again.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap9UZoeUHW8

    Or take the case the two greatest of bhajans from Baiju Bawra ‘o duniya ke rakhwale’ and ‘man tadpat’. Both these songs start with ‘bhagwan’ (repeated thrice) and ‘hari om’ (repeated four times), respectively. Rafi chants these words only at the start and not again. Would you place the songs in repeat word category or not. In both these songs these words have great impact, the word sung in a different way each time. In fact this ability of Rafi to sing the same words or lines differently separates him from others and takes his repeat word songs to a different level. I would even put ‘khuli palak men jhutha gussa’ in this category because the song is preceded by ‘jara theharo jara theharo, sada mere dil ki jara sunte jana’, because I love to listen to this line before the song.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bcNdSK_6Vc

    These were examples of Rafi speciality at the start. Now look at his art while rendering the same words at the end. The song is ‘roshan tumhin se duniya’, where he sings ‘salamat raho’ at the end.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0tVGo73c_Y

    You mentioned ‘dil deke dekho’. This film has a horde of repeat word songs. ‘Bolo bolo kuchh to bolo’ has been mentioned already by somebody. I list some others below. Re-listen to them and enjoy.

    1. ho megha re bole ghanan-2, pawan chale sanan-2, payal bole jhanan-2
    2. hum aur tum aur ye sama kya nasha nasha sa hai
    3. rahi mil gaye rahon men
    4. kaun ye aaya mehfil men
    5. bade hain dil ke kale ye neeli si ankhon wale
    6. yaar chulbula hai, haseen dilruba hai
    7. rock rock baby rock, do ekam do do duni chaar

    Regarding Chupke Chupke, I think the theme combined with dialogues and the sense of timing of comedy by all the actors made it the wonder film. How about the dialogue ‘jitna jisam bada hai utna dil bhi bada hai’ with the accompanying scene. In fact each dialogue is unique. And does anybody know anything about the dialogue writers. In contrast, look at Javed Akhtar, who had half share in copying scenes from here and there and he (alone not his partner Salim) gets Padma Bhushan and a number of awards. He also got Sahitya Akademi award, I dont know for what.

  183. Shalanji,

    I think, different Hindis is not the problem of Hindi alone. We have different English also. English English, American English, Australian English, South African English, West Indian English etc. which mostly denote a different accent.

    Regarding Vyjyantimala, I think the interviewer was innocent. Look at other South Indian actresses. They never mastered Hindi. The Bengali stalwarts like Suchitra Sen and Sharmila were never comfortable in delivering hindi dialogues. Vyjyanti was perhaps a rare breed. Even looks wise she did not appear southerner. She was very comfortable in dances of every region. In fact, of the great actresses who were also dancers, I rate her the best.

  184. Hans,
    I think bhatiaji is the Kabira of SOY and have said so, many times, I would never think of offending him, but I would not agree with you that as we are mature and adult we cannot post wrong, everyone is prone to mistake, in “Best songs of 1948: And the winners are?” I posted Aag song by Meena Kapoor as Suraiya song, I am glad Arunji corrected me. I believe in “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you” if I think something is not right I try to correct it, I can be wrong but if convinced otherwise I stand corrected.
    I consider yeh dil diwana hai as Lata Rafi’s one the best.

  185. This thread reminded of Telugu song in which the phrase is not repeated immediately but comes a few times in the song each time, somehow so modulated that it expresses a different feeling such as a question, then expressing anxiety, soothing and agitation. This might have been already discussed somewhere. The expression is ’emanene’ meanig ‘What did she say?’ in a Ghantasala song. There must be similar instances in Hindi songs too. https://youtu.be/oV0JKKnqqYA

  186. 1. ‘Dhitang dhitang bole’ from ‘Awaaz’ (Lata/Salilda/Prem Dhawan)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmOCGNv3Mg8

    The Bengali version by Hemantda:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t33Eg-uAG5Y

    Not sure which came first – the Bengali or the Hindi version. Maybe SSW can throw light on this.

    2. ‘Kuhu kuhu bole koyaliya’ from ‘Suvarnasundari’ (Lata-Rafi/Adinarayana Rao/Bharat Vyas)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uzYiB3uddg

    ‘Hayi hayiga’, the Telugu original by Ghantasala & Jikki:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5ajXn9j1bM

  188. Hans ji ;

    Wow !! So interesting your posts are ….You must come out with some article based on music and sports or comic songs of CR . Your experiences with so many sports stalwarts playing in cricket field and you umpiring the game is a proud moment for S o Y . So , a big jollywood hurray hurray to you .

    As you said earlier , there is no end of this theme songs and posting many of them may fail under microscopic view . For that Faulad song here is a substitute from Jagte Raho….

    Main koi jhoot boleya….Koi na bhai Koina Rafi, Balbir

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgRGJHkS_OQ

  189. Ms. Mumbaikar 8 ;

    My wife is laughing over the change of my name from Kulbir to kabira . She is teasing me as if I have been awarded some Raibahadur ship . After a thought she says original Kulbir is fine but for SoY Kulbira is acceptable .

    My wife is deeply religious . We have Guru Granth Sahib in our house and listening to gurubani is our daily….. peace prayer for all [ Sarbat da Bhalla ]. She is M.Com topper from Himachal University and retired as principal from school of Delhi Admn after serving for many years . She is active listener to my collection of classical indian and western music ….particularly instrumentals . Listening to western instrumentals are a must for both of us during evening for two hours atleast . After dinner is the time I usually devote to SOY .

    Still continuing with my batting for some more runs / songs….this times batting for beautiful melodies of Salil Da…

    175. Meri wafayen tumahari jafaiyen……Asha…….Amaanat

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGMglPa5brY

    176.Haye jhilmil jhilmil….Lata, chorus [Very unique]…Lal batti

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7iZkJG3yxE

    177. baanki adaayen dekhna ji dekhna…..geeta dutt….Amaanat

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k13IIvsTK80

    178.Jhanana jhanana baaje….Lata….Chand aur Suraj

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWvWLo9K3rU

    179.Chhal chhal paani …..Asha, manna dey…..Amaanat

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38-lBE-PHd8

    to be contd…..

  190. Hans ji ;

    Bhagwan , Yakub and Gope were the great comedians who fits into compositions of C Ramchander in perfection modes . Well popular numbers are many and listening them again and again is untiring .

    Here is a duet from CR camp which I think is different….

    180.O Hasina O Hasina sambhal sambhal ke….Geeta, CR…Saaqi

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHCumf3iKqw

    to be contd…..

  191. Mumbaikar8,
    Rest assured I am not blaming you for offending and Bhatiaji is also not taking that otherwise. We should all point out mistakes because our combined effort is to improve SOY and to present correct info for readers. But, this in my view is not the matter of mistake but of perception. If Bhatiaji, had named the wrong singer or the wrong film, then it would have been a mistake. Since you said I am twitching rules, I tried to explain the rules that I see. And gave examples of some songs in which the repeat words never appeared again. I also gave the example of ‘ye dil diwana hai’ to show that this song is repeating the words but is not qualified as repeat word song for the purpose of this post. You see I had even presented my views when AK objected to song 108 and also to his views on ‘nonsensical’ words.

    I mean this much and nothing more. I still think ‘o matware sajana’ as repeat song. I think criteria should not be changed for this thread and when in earlier theme threads the only requirement was the presence of the theme in the mukhda or aalaap preceding it, that should be followed here also. If we have a serious look Bhatiaji might have posted about 5-6 songs which do not have repeat words. I would give an example from the most recent postings. The song is ‘sunoji suno hamari bhi suno’. This song does not fit if we strictly apply the rule though the word suno is used many times.

    I will conclude with posting a song ‘main pagal mera manwa paagal, paagal meri preet re; paglepan ki peer wo jane bichhde jis ka meet re’ which is a better candidate for being disqualified from being a repeat word song on the analogy AK applied to ‘nazar nazar’ at no. 108. Although the song uses ‘paagal’ and ‘paglepan’ beautifully. More and more such lyrics should be discussed, because they are better creations of this kind than some songs which used ‘sun-sun’ or ‘dheere-dheere’ type of simple repeats.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGlIOALKpmI

  192. Ksbhatiaji,
    I am happy I made your wife laugh, most of the times I make people growl.
    I truly mean what I said, you are कबीरा खड़ा बाजार मांगे सब की ख़ैर.
    Instrumentals are not my cup of tea I am as ignorant about instruments as about Ragas, I like lyrics and can relate more with lyrics, and wrong lyrics draw my attention much faster.
    One Kabira doha for you in our theme
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scPbjdTVXK8

  193. Hans,
    I knew bhatiaji would not take it otherwise I wanted to clear any doubts.
    I disagree with you once again when you say it is not the matter of mistake
    I corrected bhatiaji on a matter of mistake, the disagreement with you on “ooo matware sajna “ is matter of perception.
    I have no problem with nazar nazar , in fact here it not just a tukbandi but makes more sense, for bhatiaji that song should be counted because even if AK disallows nazar nazar there is another repeat word nayi nayi.
    Same thing apply to this song from Bhabhi ki chudiyan tum tum se hi ghar ghar kahlaya
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNJrZ5OAFxk
    The impact of repeat word in Leela’s tum na aaonge kabhi piya ………piya the second time amplifies the grief not just twice but multiple times.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-d0j1DB-tk

  194. Mumbaikar8, Hans,
    Sorry for butting in in your conversation. If the point is that #108 should be counted for another repeat word ‘nayi nayi’, that is a valid point. But if it is argued that uses like ‘nazar nazar se kah rahi hai baat pyar ki’ should be counted, that deviates from the concept of repeat words.

  195. AK ji ;
    I totally agree with you . Nazar of one person telling nazar of second person ; so these are separate words and can not be repeat words as you also pointed for sangam song….dost dost na raha . Good Umpiring ! !

    Batting continuing as long as my computer is working….

    181.Jhoom jhoom ke naache manwa….Surender Nath….Kamal

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPcgZJWv9SE

    182.Dilwale Dilwale Jal Jal ke marjaana…..Uma Devi…Natak

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BpcWs7DAbg

    183.Jhir Jhir Jhir Badarva…..Lata, Hemant…..Parivar

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIyAolZkqlo

    184. Mila hai kisi ka jhumka , hare hare….Lata…..Parakh

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1J_Zkfjx3Q

    185.Aaha rim jhim ke pyare pyare…Talat, Lata….Usne kaha Tha

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nfjw5JcalyU

    …..to be contd….

  196. ….continuing with some more songs….

    186.Tum bin sajan barse nayan jab jab badal barse….Rafi, Lata…Gaban

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMYMdpKNK24

    187.Mohabbat chikani chikani hai….Shamshad….Phooloan ke haar

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS2EeHoh_oU

    188.Jaldi jaldi na karo….Shamshad….Phooloan ke haar

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2X3CIG1lKY

    189.Jhum jhum kar door gagan….Madhubala jhaveri , Davendra …ditto
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plnZfhITrkU

    190.Chhoon chhoon baaje payal mori….Lata….Humlog

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQuDGH5Jk30

    to be contd……

  197. ….continuing…..

    191.Chali ja chali ja chalija….Lata…..Humlog

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7JySVatLXs

    192.Gaye chala ja gaye chala ja ek din…..Lata and others…Humlog

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkuYJZKYET4

    193.Bogi bogi bogi yo yo yo….Shamshad, and ?…….Humlog

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jE1JV5YuK64

    194.Hulla gulla laila hulla gulla….Satish batra, Rafi, shamshad…Dholak

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nktAVaCBd4

    195. Chuk chuk chaiyan……Manna dey…..Lal Batti

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrXkfG8yskA

    to be contd….

  198. Computer still working , posting some more from the vintage eras…..

    196. Jogi mat ja mat ja…..Jhutaika Roy…Meera bai Bhajan

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBO1ZamIHJc

    197.Dil dekar dard liya maine maine…..Jagmohan….Private

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVRZNTPfExI

    198.Yeh raatein ..Yeh raatein ye mausam yeh hasna hasaana…Pankaj Mullick…..private.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KShVPx91zaA

    199. Ye kaun aaj aaya savere savere….Pankaj mullick…private

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlRW3FLnW2Q

    …..and extending my respect to all the vetran singers of the past and listeners of SOY family with the marvelous singer of the 40s with this beautiful song…..

    200…Yun na rah rah kar humehen sataiye aaye ajaye aa jayeeye……MASTER MADAN

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2mVmK5PndY

    …and the brilliance of songs will carry on and on and on…..

  200. Bhatiaji
    I was wondering which one will come first, the comments touching the 200 mark or your double century. Congratulations on completing your double century. Bhatiaji, take fresh guard and get ready for another century. With such a good batting pitch and yourself in great form, you should carry your bat. Akji says there are at least 1000 memorable songs that should have repeat words. Mumbaikarji says she would estimate around 2000 songs and with Hans twitching the rule she assures us that we can double it up that is 4000. With plenty of opportunity to score let me give you company at the other end scoring intermittently.

    Kuch Kuch Hone Laga by Asha Bhosle and Shamshad Begum, film Dhake ki Malmal (1956), lyric Jan Nisar Akhtar, music O.P. Nayyar
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWP8k7ZDcD0

    Ashwinji has already posted a song from Suvarna Sundari (comment 186). Here is one more.
    Mujhe na bula chhup chhup chhaliya re mujhe na bula by Lata Mangeshka, film Suvarna Sundari (1957), lyrics Bharat Vyas, music P Adinarayan Rao
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEv8lDlIhsQ

    Akji had mentioned one song and you have posted three more songs from the film Phagun. Here is one more.

    Ja Ja Re Ja Chhod De Kalaai by Md.Rafi and Asha Bhosle, film Phagun (1958), lyrics Qamar Jalalabadi, music O P Nayyar
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQCt0fkALYM

    Bol Bol Bol Bol My Little Dove by Md.Rafi, film Baap Bete (1959), lyrics Rajinder Krishan, music Madan Mohan
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ajs_JCs7DN0

    Bhigaa Bhigaa Pyaar Kaa Samaan by Md.Rafi and Shamshad Begum, film Sawan (1959), lyrics Prem Dhawan, music Hansraj behl
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dk_zWw0C2Ro

    I hope all of them would fit the bill.

  201. Hans @ 183

    I agree about the ” No blame” about the various languages making differences in particular Hindi in India. I am sure within the main 18 or so Indian languages spoken in India similar what is pure Marathi or Pure Kannad and so on must be going on.

    My point is in spite of this purity hundreds of people become successful in their business or work or life in general.

    In Britain presntly there are people from many nations of Europe and also from the world and they all work and enjoy life talking in English with their own accent. Of course once upon a time only Oxbridge accent was accepted. Now the world is your oyster.

    Yes, many Bengali and also Marathi actreses like Sandhya did not feel comfrtable in Hindi. But perhpas they loved their own languages so much that made them uncomfotable in any other language.

    But Lata M and Asha B were very good in other languages as well.

    I see many Indians find it difficult to talk in English when they meet. They resort to their own langauges or talk in broken Hindi.

    Too much love for something is always undoing of the person.

    Shalan

  202. AKji,
    @162
    Yes, the orchestration and the composition are un-Naushad like. Possibly inspired by CR. I can recollect one more such song,

    Dil Dhadak Dhadak Dil Phadak Phadak by Md.Rafi and Suraiya, film Dastan (1950), lyrics Shakeel Badayuni, music Naushad
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1z5tr6DcuPY

    What is the meaning of the word “Wupi”.

    Ta Ra Ri Aa Ra Ri Aa Ra Ri, Ye Saawan Rut Tum Aur Ham Ta Ra Ra Ra Ram from this film was posted by Bhatiaji.

  203. Ashwin @186
    The Bengali version by Hemantda came first. Salilda composed the tune and wrote the Bengali lyrics himself two years before the release of the Hindi film Awaaz.
    Notice how the Awaaz tune starts like a lavani before moving into a different slower almost Caribbean rhythm. A third version of the song came in Malayalam much later which had its own differences in the orchestration. Its worth following the drums in each of the versions. The rhythmic impulses are completely different in each case.

  205. AK ji , Venkatraman ji ;

    Thanks for your wishes and your encouragements from time to time means a lot to me .

    Yes, the songs of Phagun carried many paired words and I think O P N scored quite a number of such songs compared to others . SJ and Chitragupt were a close call for him to compete .

    Bol Bol Bol my little dove is an interesting repeat of kaun yeh aya mehfil mein ……from Dil Deke Dekho . I think Usha Khanna scored over Madan Mohan , though both the songs are exact replica of hollywood vintage song ……stand by me my diaana .

    Its a fun to hear Naushad composing song like ….Dil Dhadak Dhadak…in Dastan . Another of Naushad song that was fun to watch and hear is from Dil Diya Dard Liya……Kya rangeen’e mehfil hai dildaram o jaane yaram , aye vallah ![ song not related to this theme].

    There are certain more song which i still want to post for making up of my wrong , or repeat postings.

    201.O O O O baby mudke zara….Hemant Geeta…..Police

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxXwF-Cn-iQ

    202.Din Din Joban dhalta jaaye….Suraiya…Do Dil

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twj7DW8MCkY

    203.Aa gaey aa gaey….Suraiya…Goonj

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raNPHKXqYiE

    204.Bolo bolo re bhagwan…Suraiya, Shamshad, Amirbai….Sanam

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg1H0zfruT0

    205.Phir nain banware bhar bhar aaye…Suraiya….Do Dil

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEMeK143gDU

    ….to be contd…..

  206. Ksbhatiaji,
    Congratulations on your double century, hope your bat ( your computer) will not spoil the show. Good Luck.

  207. AK,
    As Hans said this is matter of perception, if we go by how we use repeated in our conversation it may seem deviated but I feel that nazar nazar is used in a poetic way, if a word is used with different meaning or context it fascinates me, this song Sham dhale nadiya I love the way sham is used.(Not repeated word)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkIXEbjnVD4
    I have a question about this jaana jaana song.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peooJZXwfxc
    I thing in this song first jaana is “dear” and the second one” go”
    and not “go go”
    I think such unique repeat songs should be awarded bonus points.

  208. Mumbaikar8,
    Sham dhale is a beautiful song. The two ‘Sham’s have different meanings: one ‘evening’, and the other the lover-God Krishna. In Sanskrit/Hindi it is known as ‘Yamak’ alankar (Figures of Speech). Some famous dohas of Rahim have this property, such as Rahiman paani raakhiye, bin paani sab soon, or Kanak kanak te sau guna maadakata adhikaay. I can agree that if someone posts such songs, each would count as two. This is one way to try to compete with KS Bhatiaji. 🙂

    ‘Jana jana’: I doubt if Manju would use ‘jana’ in the sense of romantic ‘dear’ for her bhabhi. It is more likely ‘go go’. Though meaningless, but the lyricists/MDs had to often resort to such fillers for meter. Hans has gone deep into linguistics. Let us see what he and others have to say about this.

  209. I have some pending replies to some of my dear fellow readers, which I will do later at leisure, but now I want give my views on Mumbaikar8’s post because while looking for repeat word songs where the repeat word came deep in the mukhda, I noticed a special pattern. This pattern is found in the songs where in the mukhda the repeat word appears at the fag end.

    When I saw this pattern, I remembered this song ‘jana jana’ from Rattan, but this song uses repeat word ‘kahdo kahdo’ earlier. I would first make it clear that for me ‘jana’ only means going in both instances. Unlike the different meanings of sham in the other song posted by Mumbaikar8. But, this other song is also repeat word song because the word kinare is used twice in the middle.

    Now I will preceed with other songs. Many MDs have followed this pattern and in some cases they themselves have added the word to give a special effect to the song. A song with this pattern I had posted earlier from Faulad ‘jane jana yun na dekho, aaj nafrat se mujhe’. In this song the words ‘ho gayi’ are repeated. In Rattan there is this famous song ‘o jane wale balamwa’ in which the words ‘laut ke aa’ are repeated at the end. In the second line of mukhda also the word ‘bewafa’ is used twice at the end.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh3Um79aoRE
    It seems Naushad was fond of this pattern. He again used it twice in 1949 in Dillagi and Dulari. In Dillagi it was coincidentally Shyam again with Suraiyya in ‘tu mera chand main teri chandani’. Here also the words ‘koi dillagi’ is repeated.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InUbZ1ee8hM
    In Dulari the words ‘o saajana’ are used twice at the end of the song ‘chandani aayi banke’
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9N0x0zRFBgs

    In this category, there are songs of other MDs, but I would make a mention of Ravindra Jain , who gave greatly popular and quality music at a time when many thought that melody was going out of hindi songs. But, even after giving a flurry of hit music and hit films he is not much talked about because he dared to promote singers like Arati Mukherjee and Hemlata.
    The first song is from Geet Gaata Chal ‘main wohi darpan wohi’ by Arati
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2UIzKcOT1k
    The second is from Dulhan Wohi Jo Piya Man Bhaye’, ‘le to aaye ho hamen’ by Hemlata. Here the word sajna is repeated 4 times at the end.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-Hjah2Ir3w

  210. Hans ji ;
    While making explorations of songs with paired and repeated words I came across different sets of songs …

    1. which could be as simple as ….sajna hai mujhe sajna ke liye ….Saudagar which I think should not get approval for inclusion in the theme.

    2. janu janu re kahe ko …..Insaan jag utha… here meaning goes like…. I know… my dear. So janu janu become different words . But considering them as repeat words the overall song becomes a teaser…. I know I know for whom the bangles are tinkling .

    3.In Faulad song I think Jaane jaana are not separate but one word….Jaan E Jaana …..meaning my sweetheart or my dear . Of course the song qualifies for repeat words at the end….hogayi hogayi .

    There is one such song from the old film Aurat …..Dard E Ulfat haye Dard E Ulfat choopaoan kahan which certainly qualify on account of its repeat words.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xa_vmfMmJro

  211. AK,
    Thanks for introducing Yamak. I wasn’t aware of it.
    I liked the way sham was used.
    Can you please translate the doha and explain how kanak is used with different meaning?
    On principle I think I cannot be a contestant in this category.

  213. Ksbhatiaji, @ 210
    I think janu janu from Insaan jag utha is just like jana jana in
    It is I know I know and not my dear I know.
    For me, anyways it is a repeated one with bonus:)

  214. Mumbaikar8,
    ‘Kanak kanak te sau guna maadakata adhikay
    Ye khaaye bauraat hai wo paaye bauraay’

    Kanak (gold) is a hundred times more intoxicating than kanak (dhatura)
    One you need to eat to become crazy, the other makes you crazy by just possessing it.

    ‘Rahiman paani raakhiye bin paani sab soon
    Paani gyo na ubare moti, manush, choon’

    Rahim says you must have Paani, without paani everything is lustreless. It is important for men (humility), for pearl (shine) and lime (water).

  215. AK ji ;

    Great going sir !!….
    kaanch koi maati koi
    raang bherange pyaale;
    pyaas lagi dono baraber
    jis mein paani daale re …. ganga aaye kahan se
    ganga jaaye kahan re….

  216. SSW@203: Thanks for the information. Yes, the transformation within the Awaaz song is delightful!

  217. Hansji,
    From the sidelines I was absorbing the wonderful discussion among the stalwarts (AKji, Yourself, Mumbaikarji, Shalanji) and I have gained little little knowledge. By the way Hansji, I do not have the cheek to take revenge on you. I not only look at your post, but look forward to your post and read them too, even if they are lengthy. Yes it happens sometime we do miss out some comments. That happens with everybody. In fact I have missed two write-ups by our esteemed guest writers this year. I would like to catch-up with them very soon.

    Continuing with repeat word songs here are few more from the 40s.

    Panchi panchi ud ja, ud ja, ud ja panchi ud ja, ud ja, ud ja by Shital Ghosh(?), film Darshan (1941), lyrics Pt. Indra, music Naushad
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miqXMy4MP4w

    Madhoji Madhoji Bharat Me Phir Aao by Heerkumari/Brujmala (?), film Mala (1941), lyrics Balam Pardesi (?), music Naushad
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eXuzWE7OoA

    Chalo Chalo Ri Sakhi Madhuban Me by Rajkumari and Suraiya, film Station Master (1942), lyrics Pyarelal Santoshi, music Naushad
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJTLOzbPGkY

    Bolo Bolo ha Bolo Bolo Re Sajanva Mai Teri Kya by Nirmala, film Kanoon (1943), lyrics D N Madhok, music Naushad
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbxgSP_6rjE

    Bhatiaji has presented a song by Uma Devi form the film Naatak. Here is one more.
    Kale Kale Aaye Badarva by Suraiya, film Naatak (1947), lyrics Shakeel Badyuni, music Naushad
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIfSSVQMBWQ

  218. Akji,
    @162
    On a lighter note
    Thank you Guruji for initiating us with the mool mantra for deliverance of the faithful (read SoY members) in this Kaliyug. Meditation in Satyayug, Sacrifice in Treta Yug, and worship in Dwapar Yug yield desired fruit. Here, as per your pravachan Guruji, it can be attained through uninhibited enjoyment of pleasure. I am not at all shocked by the permissiveness, neither by polygamous songs nor by monogamous songs. Ultimately what counts is love, supreme intensity of love. Sab kuch chalta hai.

    The nearest Barahmasa song (not a repeat word song) that I can remember is “Bara Maheene Line Mari ”

    Repeat, beat and sound are key to the popularity of nursery rhymes among children. Twinkle Twinkle Little Star, Baa, Baa, Black Sheep, Goosey Goosey Gander, Ring a Ring o’ Roses, Jingle bells etc. Again in Naam Sankirtan we find the repetition of the name(s), taking recourse to Naam. So did many other saints and holy men, like Sage Narad. The most common among them is Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Hare Hare, Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Hare Hare. Thus we find repetition of words or phrases has a great impact/influence, especially on children and common masses.

    I came across an article wherein it is stated that songs with repeat phrases are more likely to be successful. According to Researchers/psychologists who analysed five decades of chart-toppers, claim the secret to a smash hit is repeating the lyrics and they found that songs which repeated entire phrases and individual words more often were likely to be commercially successful.

    Thanks to you, Hansji, Mumbaikarji, Shalanji for the erudite phonological discussion on repeat words in Hindi language. I was restricted by my limitations in the language and aptitude. It was a great learning experience, especially the discussion on the use of the same word with different meaning- Yamak. I think in English language it is known as Homology. The following song is a good example of this type. Pt. Narendra Sharma’s poetry has simple words and is easier for me to understand. Here he uses the word “ghanshyaam” as a homonym.

    Ghanshyam Ke Hai Ghanshyam Nayan by Lakshmi Shankar, film Aandhiyan (1952), lyrics Narendra Sharma, music Ustad Ali Akbar Khan
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsdDIMrJCBU

  220. Venkataramanji,
    Very smart discovery of Yamak in PK’s dialogue. There the difference in meaning is due to intonation. Yamak does not depend on intonation, Ghanshyam was a nice example. Incidentally, the first Ghanshyam is also an example of Bahuvrihi samaas.

  221. Bhatiaji, (198)
    I dont consider umpiring in that match an achievement, but thanks for your good wishes. In fact, I was not interested in umpiring in that match because these type of matches are not serious stuff as you know. Nobody is serious while batting, bowling or fielding or while appealing. In fact very few appeals are made in such matches for the umpire to adjudicate. I wanted to help out my chela who was the chief organiser in organisational matters. He had agreed and had set two persons for the job of umpiring. As one of them did not arrive in time I had to do the job.

    At one time when Chetan Sharma was bowling and Ajay Sharma was batting, all the six balls had been bowled and I for a moment forgot to call ‘over’ and he set off to ball. Suddenly the fact came to my mind and I for a moment thought of stopping him but let him go. Ajay Sharma hit him for a six. At this Chetan turned back to me and asked me ‘ye satwin ball thi kya’ (he knew perfectly well that it was the 7th), when I said yes he turned back to Ajay and said ‘ye bol rahen hai ye satwin ball thi’ and both of them and I also were laughing. Once when Sehwag was batting and I was at square leg, he had hit the bowler for two sixes on the fifth and sixth balls. He said to the umpire on the striker’s end “ek ball aur fenkane do main sirji ko ek aur chhakka marna chahta hoon”. The bowler was also interested and the extra ball was allowed. The bowler sent down a wide and Sehwag was showing fake anger and the bowler was laughing like all others.

    So there was a lot of fun and we also collected a handsome amount – with contributions from the players themselves – which was distributed among 29 families of martyrs, which belonged to Charkhi Dadri and the neighbouring areas. By he way, Charkhi Dadri is the place where the famed incident of collision of two ill-fated planes happened in November 1996.

  222. AK, (194)
    You all the rights to butt in or head in or score with a left or right footer or even with ‘hand of god’ a la Maradona. Regarding your nazar nazar logic, to which I do not agree, I want to say something. You posted ‘hai kali kale ke lab par’ and Bhatiaji says you do not consider ‘dost dost na raha’ a repeat word song. I was wondering what would happen if we swap the words in both these songs. They would then look like this.
    ‘है दोस्त दोस्त के लैब पर तेरे हुस्न का फ़साना ‘
    ‘कली कली ना रही फूल फूल ना रहा ‘

  223. Shalanji, (201)
    Your comments are mostly thought provoking and this is no different. I dont agree that the actresses were deficient in Hindi because of their extreme love for their own language. If that was the case, then they should have served their own language and its people. Take the case of Surinder Kaur, who acquitted herself well in hindi songs, yet she left hindi world to serve the cause of panjabi folk. When she went north, a lot of panjabi films were being made, but she did not sing many songs in those films either. When a person comes to perform on some platform, he or she has to give 100 per cent. Look at Lata and Asha they were Marathi too. but they put in hard work and excelled.

    I dont think Sharmila Tagore has any love for Bengali. She always gives her interviews in English and ignores not only her mother tongue but also the language which gave her money, name and fame. She perhaps wanted to look different than other actresses while delivering dialogues, so she kept nursing her imperfection. Look at Lata, she always respects the language which made her and gives interviews in Hindi only, except when she has to talk to some Marathi media person. Look at Dilip Kumar, on the other hand, when listening to him post-retirement one would get an impression that he never knew hindi. He talks only in a highly persianised Urdu and gives interviews only to Muslims. No Muslim, not even Maulvis, Muftis and Imams talk in the Urdu which Dilip uses.

  224. Mumbaikar8,
    By mentioning ‘ye dil diwana hai’ I wanted only to emphasise the artistry of the lyricist who used only those 4 words for the whole mukhda and even then it does not fall in the category of repeat word songs.

    The song you mentioned is great too and has been the subject matter of a separate post in SOY. But, I feel Anil Biswas could not utilise the full talent of Suraiyya in this song.

  225. AK,
    There is also a word कणक which means wheat.
    I think in the second doha paani for manush means ‘शर्म या हया’ and not humility which has a different meaning.You would commonly find use of phrases like ‘iski to aankh ka paani hi mar gaya hai’.

  226. AK,
    Got it! Thanks.
    Venkataramanji,
    PK ka yamak बड़ा आच्छा लगा.
    You have come up with repeated word in yamak, you deserve bonus points for that:)
    Missed Johnny Johnny yes Papa in your nursery rhyme collection.

  228. Bhatiaji, (210 and 215)
    Jaan is an interesting word you have mentioned. I also appreciate your sharp memory in remembering the lines from ‘ganga aaye kahan se’ which fit perfectly to the context of ‘paani’ doha mentioned by AK. On this another paani song ‘paani re paani’ (Shor) came to mind and since it fits as a repeat word song also I am posting it.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YRrrPnNKLM

    When the film came Manoj Kumar was criticised for vulgar picturisation, but the lyrics of the song are irresistible. The last antara says ‘waise to har rang men tera jalwa rang jamaye; par jab tu phire umeedon par tera rang samajh na aaye’. Here ‘rang’ has a different meaning at all three places.

    Regarding the first point emerging out of your post 210, there are to my remembrance, three words ‘jaan’ meaning life or zindagi or jeevan, ‘jaana’ meaning going and ‘jaanana’ meaning ‘to know’. So many variants of these similar looking words have been used in hindi songs that it seems impossible to count. I agree with Mumbaikar8 that in the song ‘janun janun ri’ both the words mean the same akin to knowing, but in my view this is again a variant. By saying ‘janun janun ri’ she is conveying to her sakhi that she has understood what she is upto which is slightly different to ‘i know’. The word knowing in its ‘janana’ form is differently used as in the kabhi-kabhi song ‘ main janata hoon ke tu gair hai’. जानूँ that you mentioned as my dear was not in use in songs or dialogues of that period and is of recent origin. You may call it in AK’s words as kaliyug ki den. This word as per me does not mean my dear, but means ‘meri jaan’ which means my life. You remember the song ‘meri jaan meri jaan’ from Yahudi. The word ‘jane janan’ used in the Faulad song is a variant of जानेजां which means jaan ki jaan or you can say meri jaan ki jaan. Janeman is also a variant of meri jaan, because ‘man’ also means self or myself. Remember the song ‘zaban-e-yaar man turqi’ from ‘ek musafir ek haseena’, which means mere yaar ki bhasha turqi hai. As this song fits the repeat word theme and has not been posted, I give it here. The song with perhaps the longest mukhda.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhh4ng462zQ

    Janana meaning to know is used in other forms also. Jane-pehchane or jane-anjane have been used frequently. Look at the song ‘jane kahan mera jigar’. Here he wants to say ‘na jane kahan mera jigar gaya ji’ but na goes out to make a different impact. Na jane is also directly used such as in the song ‘na jane kahan tum the’.

    We will again talk about this if it does not go out of mind.

  229. Mumbaikar8,
    You are very correct about Naushad. He mastered every form and as he himself was fond of writing poetry, he understood the intricacies and he used to change Shakeel’s lyrics at times and the impact was always top class. For all these reasons he remains a great master.

  230. Hans,
    #222: ‘Hai dost dost ke lab par’ would clearly be a valid entry. ‘Kali kali na rahi phool phool na raha’ would be suspect. I would red flag it. I know you have strong objection.

    #225: You are right. ‘Paani’ for manush should be closer to ‘dignity’ or ‘honour’ than ‘humility’. Thanks for poiting it out.

  231. Seems comments on this posting has no end as songs keep keeping in our mind. Take this case “jhana jhana ka apni payil. This master piece from the film Aashiq proves why SJ’ is a specialist in dance number. Padmini at her best in the dance. I have not gone thro the list – perhaps a mention might have already been made.

  232. Hans @223

    You have boldly and blatantly put the finger on the Filmy world of the tinsel town.

    About Dilip Saab and his Urdu nobody understands apart from the scholars of Farsi is a sad effort to gain the respectability of the Muslim world which presently has become uncompressing to the progressive world of the universal humanity. I think he is lost and withdrawn in the present Muslim ethos and also present Indian politics. However one cannot deny him that he had enriched the dialogues and lyrics speaking in the Hindi films.

    I wonder why he did not act in a Pakistani film. I have seen him talking about Marathi Bhaavgeet and discussing the subtle meanings of them on a Pakistani programme.
    Shalan

  233. Shalan, Hans,
    Please spare Dilip Kumar, at least considering his present physical condition. He has been undoubtedly one of the greatest actors. We have all heard his introductory speech at Albert Hall in the LP of Lata Mangeshkar concert. I was also fortunate to hear him live once. He speaks elegant Urdu; yes it does contain difficult words. Many speakers speak highly sankritised Hindi, we don’t bring in religion in this. I admire persons who speak elegant language. Where does Muslim ethos come in this?

  234. Hans, #225
    When I read AK’s explanation I interpreted “paani” as “Izzat” .
    # 228
    I tend to disagree with your explanation of Jaan-e-man I believe it is jaan of my mann (subconscious mind?)

  236. ‘Jhan jhan jhan jhan paayal’, the chhota khayal in Raga Nat Bihag, has been cited more than once in response to this post. Struck me just now that the bada khayal that is usually sung in this raga is also an example of the ‘repeat word’ phenomenon – its mukhda is ‘Kaise kaise bolat’. Here is a link to a copy of an HMV record of a rendition of both these bandishes by Anjanibai Lolekar.

    https://youtu.be/bUQUZqIA7KY

    If I am not mistaken, Yashwant Kerkar, the tabla artiste in this recording, was none other than Kesarbai’s sibling.

  241. AK ji,
    A unique post and very engaging too.
    A few comments:
    1) Heard the song (song No. 2) – Hai Kali Kali ke lab par – after a long time. In the ninteen-fifties, Khayyam was known for meethi meethi, sahmi sahmi, maddham maddham” tunes. This song shows a different skill of Khayyam.

    2) In the 19 songs linked by you, Kaifi Azmi and Majrooh have written more songs than others.
    3) Some of my friends held a view that ordinarily lyrics was not highlighted​ as much as music on SoY. In this post lyrics is at the centre.
    4) Bhatia Sir @ 45.
    It requires much effort and discipline to excel both in study of engineering and cricket (in those days even a friendly match was of 40 overs each team). Regarding myself, whenever I did well in cricket, my score in Physics (Honours) went down and vice versa. Only after getting job in AFHQ Civil Service I could raise my game upto potential.

    5) Hay Bhagwan. Yeh SoY blog to mujhe maar hi daalega. I started reading this post at 10 PM. Didn’t know how time flew. It was soon 12.30 AM.

    The stroke players of SoY are repeatedly hitting straight drives with ferocious power. The umpire at non-striker end is in great danger.

    Thanks

  248. A few numbers from recent times:

    1. ‘Sajnaji vaari vaari’ from ‘Honeymoon Travels Pvt. Ltd.’
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEMsTk5SPSg

    2. ‘Gal mitthi mithi bol’ from ‘Aisha’
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHsKQ_R0ZqI

    3. ‘Mayya mayya’ from ‘Guru’
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0BURncJM9Q

    4. ‘Malang malang’ from ‘Dhoom 3’
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxoTAvwCr4A

    5. ‘Kamli’ from ‘Dhoom 3’
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8kSrkz8Hz8

    Please note how similar the tune for the ‘mere mahiya sanam jaanam’ portion of this song is to the tune of the sthaayi of ‘ ‘Pyaar karne waale kabhi darte nahin’ from ‘Hero’ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFxp3vrP4uc).

    Another song from the past that uses the same shade of Bhairavi is ‘Jeet lenge baazi hum tum’ , tuned by Khayyam, from ‘Shola aur Shabnam’:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e11lqpcp-tk

  249. Ashwin,
    ‘Hariyala sawan dhol bajata aya’ is a riot of repeat words. It is such a gorgeous song I have to overlook the rules.

    I have been enjoying your classical additions. The Nat Bihag by Anjanibai Kolekar is an interesting addition with the vilambit too having repeat words. The Gaud Malhar by Satyasheel Deshpande left me with mixed feelings. He is gifted with a very melodious voice. The raga and the bandish are fabulous. But I wish he had cut out the vocal acrobatics and concentrated more on the melody. The bonus for me was that many phrases sounded to me as Durga. I need not repeat that I am completely illiterate in music.

    Tyagiji,
    It is a justified complaint that SoY does not give as much importance to lyrics as to the music. I feel some satisfaction when an occasion comes to put the lyrics into focus.

    You have made an interesting observation about preponderance of some combinations in my selection. Analysing the hundreds of songs posted by the readers may reveal if some lyricist-MD had greater fascination for repeat words.

  252. Ms. Mumbaikar8;

    It all depends upon my computer. Some time it works better like now . So posting some more songs on the theme . Hope they are not repeats as I am unable to check the history. As long as they are good listening to them again is a pleasure.

    210. Ek Do Teen aaja mausam hai rangeen….Shamshad….Awara

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lylNQMMfUy4

    211. yaad tori ayi re mein to cham cham roi….Asha….Faulad

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkcv28lYzps

    212.kadam behke behke piya …..lata…..Bank Manager

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqiiZC87C7U

    213.Is duniya mein sab chor chor….Lata…..Bhai Bhai

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KL6L9ki5dgg

    214.Chale ja rahe hain mohabbat ke …..Manna Dey…Kinare Kinare

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnLeUsqF12g

    This song is really a treat for Manna Dey fans . What a composition and beautiful lyrics .

    ……to be contd….

  253. Thanks, AK. You said it – about ‘Hariyala sawan dhol bajata aaya’. It is my favourite rain song from Hindi films, and stands shoulder-to-shoulder with all the other songs, including those based on classical bandishes, in terms of its evoking the feeling of the monsoon.

    Wrt your hearing Durga in Goud Malhar, you are very right and here is why. The fount of all Malhars, including Goud Malhar, is Shuddha Malhar, which has the same scale as Durga, but with different notes being emphasized. You can refer Rajan Paarikar’s site for more details. Shuddha Malhar has more-or-less gone out of vogue now. BTW, did you know that just like there was a Doosri Sita, there is a Doosri Durga as well? This is the Durga of the Khamaj thaat and is close to Rageshri. Listen to this Ragamala rendered by Malini Rajurkar in which the name of each raga is used in the text and cast in the notes of the same raga. The Durga in the sthaayi is the Durga of the Khamaj thaat while the Durga of the antara is the Durga of the Bilawal thaat. The list of the ragas are as follows:

    Sthayi: Durga (Khamaj Thaat), Jaijaiwanti, Bhoop, Des, Saraswati
    Antara: Sohini, Suha, Durga(Bilawal Thaat), Lalit(the shuddha dhaivat variant), Darbari, Basant, Bahar, Bageshri

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drCqaufZWyE

    I will cross-post this on your post on Durga because it belongs there more than it belongs here.

  254. Mumbaikar8 @251:

    I have already named the song – ‘Jeet hi lenge baazi hum tum’ from ‘Shola aur Shabnam’ (1961). The lyrics are by Kaifi Azmi, the music is by Khayyam and the singers are Rafi and Lata.

  255. AK,
    #230 – You can red flag it because you have the red flag. But, every red flag is not likely to have public approval, if there is no justification. By reversing the words I have posed a problem and after this the meanings are different, but still you are approving ‘hai dost-dost ke lab par’ because you posted ‘hai kali-kali’, but red flagging the other one. A song ‘sham dhale’ was posted by Mumbaikar8 that had ‘kinare’ repeated with a pause. I am posting two similarly composed songs. Give your opinion on them and tell the reasons also.
    1. muhabbat ki bas itni dastan hai – baradari – rafi/lata (word is baharen)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwIZDz9CIUE
    2. mere dil ne jo manga mil gaya – rakhwala – lata
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF3YcDRdgKs

    #233 – What connection this discussion has to Dilip’s health condition. Are we abusing him or shouting outside his window. I had mentioned him in some context. For me there is no Muslim question, but if I had to mention the word Muslim, I will not refrain from mentioning it because I have to be politically correct. It is Dilip Kumar who is making it a muslim case by using the farsi words and farsi couplets. To my mind there can be two reasons. One is he feels he has committed some sin as against the muslim world by taking a hindu name for his living and the other is that he wants to show himself as a scholar. To me both reasons are wrong and both are directed at catering to the muslim mind. It is the muslim minds who put arabic and farsi in high esteem, just like the Indians put English in high esteem.

    In India there are a lot of people who love urdu and I am one of them. My father was born in British India and he learned Urdu, English and Farsi because in that time these were the languages which were taught and also medium of teaching other subjects. It is another matter that in the state of Panjab, the panjabi language was never taught what to talk of hindi. My father learned hindi very late in life when that language became relevant. He never mixed farsi with urdu. Whenever he told us some sher in farsi, he would translate it in urdu (because he was never comfordable in hindi) and we would understand that. I myself know lot more urdu than sanskrit and can read printed urdu, though slowly. Farsi has no connection with urdu except the script and that some words from it have crept into it. Urdu has more words from Indian languages and bolis and its grammar is basically Indian. If there was any remote connection, that has become remoter after partition, because there is hardly any people to people interaction with that language. That cannot be said about Pakistan. Pakistani people still have that interaction and because of that there is a lot of difference in Pakistani Urdu and Indian Urdu. Not many people know that Ghalib, arguably the greatest Urdu poet, wrote Urdu shayari for the first few years (some say he wrote in Urdu only upto the age of 21) and then he started writing in farsi and returned to urdu only at the fag end of his life. He wrote in farsi for a very long time, but still nobody in India knows anything about his parsi shayari. That will make it clear how foreign farsi is to us. So if Dilip relies so heavily on farsi and if he gives interviews only to Muslims (especially those from Pakistan) then that fact would be told and resented by us who have sworn by his films.

    My father was a big fan of his, so I am and so is my son. I have watched almost all of his films. I watched Anokha Milan, particularly because his name was attached to it, though I knew he has a small role. I tolerated Musafir because of him.

    You say many people speak highly sanskritised hindi. Can you name any film star of the hindi world who does this. It is the right of every hindi scholar to speak in the language which is his profession. If an urdu poet speaks in the most difficult urdu and studded with farsi words, it is his right, because he is earning his livelihood by that language. But, if a person earned his livelihood from one type of audience and then he tries to address another type of audience, because for him now there is no use for the earlier audience, then the people have the right to object. And he cannot be defended by playing the Muslim card.

    Do you think that Urdu in itself is not an elegant language? Does if need the crutches of Farsi to make it elegant?

  256. Mumbaikar8, (234)
    There is no problem in that because such words have very deep meanings. These poets like Raheem, Kabir or Surdas constructed these dohas with a lot of effort and they put ‘gaagar men saagar’. The people who write commentaries on these dohas, explain the dohas in anything from half a printed page to 3 pages. Paani is also such a word. It can be interpreted as ‘charitra’ or ‘izzat’ or ‘samman’. But, I had mentioned ‘sharm’ firstly because that is the meaning used in many sayings or muhavaras. ‘Ankh ka paani marna’ or ‘sharm se paani paani hona’ etc. The other reason is that ‘sharm’ is the most important ingredient for having izzat or developing your character. If you have no ‘sharm’ you are not likely to see that you are losing ‘izzat’. If ‘izzat’ is lost due to some other reason, you can restore it, but if you have lost it as a sequel to being ‘besharm’ then there are hardly any chances. You must have heard the song ‘na izzat ki chinta na fikar koi apmaan ki’. Raheem had written a lot of such dohas. Four of them you can find in this song from Akhiyon Ke Jharokhon Se, starting with his doha ‘bade badaai na karen’ which in fact talks about humility, which was mentioned by AK.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVNgOAS2M00

    I am also giving here another doha of his, which has a very deep meaning.
    रहिमन कठिन चितान तै, चिंता को चित चैत
    चिता दहति निर्जीव को, चिंता जीव समेत

    On the other matter (janeman), I would only say that you have also used the word mera mann and not mann. Let us say two sentences i) mera man banarasi saadi pehanane ko kar raha hai and ii) mera man kaju ki barfi khane ka hai. When you say this do you mean to say that your subconscious mind would wear the saadi or eat the barfi.

  257. Hans,#255:
    There is no dispute about repeat words used idiomatically as a linguistic characteristic of Hindi and other languages. There would be several songs containing such ‘pure’ repeat words. Nonsensical words are another class. Many readers have mentioned those songs. In-betwen are the words like “Dost dost na raha”, or “Nazar nazar se kah rahi hai baat pyar ki”, or some other examples you have given. If some readers strongly feel that these words also qualify, we can always co-exist.

    Dilip Kumar-Persianised Urdu-Overt Muslimness:
    I would like to leave Dilip Kumar alone. You have made yourself very clear, and I guess I was also clear. Reiterating out stated positions is not going to add anything new.

  258. Ashwin, #253
    Thanks a lot for your explanation and the beautiful Malini Rajurkar’s link. I am relieved that Durga of Khamaj that is called “Doosri”. In many cases the newer one replaces the real one.

    I remeber a concert I had attended with an equally uninitiated colleague. As the singer presented Gorakh Kalyan, we were puzzled, because there was nothing of Kalyan in this, and sounded more like Bageshree. I called Subodh, who confirmed that the name Gorakh Kalyan is a misnomer, and it is actually closer to Bageshree. (These are the times when I rue my illiteracy. 🙁 )

  259. Hans ji;
    I understand Maan as a derivative of dwelling in heart , as well as a wish to create or perform . It is s one’s own wish to choose this word according to what is there in his/her mind ; like….Mera mann tera pyaasa…kab hogi poori aasha , ….Maan mein kisi ki preet basaale…. .

    Even without using the word maan one can express the hidden feelings like…..dil karta o yaara mera dil kartaa ….., .Ek buut banaonga tera aur pooja karoonga …..and …..Aasha ho ke saawan ho .

    Your reference to Kabir , Rahim and Surdas dohas reminds me of a beautiful song [ which was earlier posted by Ms. Mumbaikar in some other article] …..Kabira Nirbhay Raam….from Kaajal .

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIKK6FJWaTM

    [ Not related to theme ]

  260. AK ji ;
    I totally endorse your views . Dilip Kumar , a living legend , deserve no tags or criticism owing to his vast contribution to hindi film world . Who else can match his dialogue delivery in Mughal E Azam and Gunga Jamuna , the two extreme variants.

  262. AK,
    Forget about Dilip Kumar and enjoy these beautiful repeat word songs.

    First riot of words with shabba khair – din sara guzara – junglee
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owGpGWNoWsg
    Next riot with rabba khair – tan men agni – laat sahab
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73jmmT9dSiY
    Now Rafi kamaal with pyar – de do pyar le lo pyar – pyar hi pyar
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR6Er0k9J2c
    Now look at how he pronounces tauba shikan at the end in
    Ye teri sadgi – shabnam
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yc2OCfg4hx4
    Now look at the bhajan ‘duniya na bhaye’ from ‘basant bahar’
    ‘charnon men charnon men’
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQHUzQ7QwmU

    He was the master of repeat words as he was of every other thing in singing. Muhammad Rafi was a Muslim – a faultless Muslim.

  263. Hans @ 255, AK @ 257 and ksbahtia @260

    I think the ouvre of Hans is extremely brilliant at this comment and elsewhere. He has marked out the difference between the right to criticise without being intruding the personal space and also had shown the linguistic short comings of the Farasi in the context of Indian subcontinent. His thinking is not muddled up but crystal clear between being a blind fan bending down to devotional level of a person and due credit for the contribution.

    In fact his comment writing in this post is very shining like a diamond among the rush of soft words and other ideas in the lyrics, actors acting and how the songs are present on the screen.
    We should have quality of appreciation of the rich contribution without other hang-ups about the artists’s successes or failures.

    One of the ingredients of the flourishing democratic society is that people’s ability to criticise without favour or coming under the heavy pressure of the mountain of the success of the person who needed to be criticised.

    Shalan La

  265. N Venkatraman @202 and AK @ 204

    Venkatramnji “What is the meaning of the word “Wupi”.”
    AK “Venkataramanji, “Whoops of joy”. Dastan often comes to mind for Naushad unlike Naushad

    I want to enter here in the name of providing some more information about the query of delectable Mr Venkatraman. Whenever he had made comments he often mentioned my name so I think it will be nice to respond when I have got some information in this context.
    The original word in the song is as following:

    दिल धड़क-धड़क दिल फड़क-फड़क फड़के
    फड़क-फड़क नैन फड़क-फड़क नैन फड़कें
    ए दिल तू
    हुप्पी
    जादू लगाए
    हुप्पी
    ख़ुशियाँ मनाए जा तरा पम -२
    अँखियाँ मिलाए जा
    दिल में समाए जा
    अपना बनाए जा
    हुप्पी

    dil dha.Dak-dha.Dak dil pha.Dak-pha.Dak pha.Dake
    pha.Dak-pha.Dak nain pha.Dak-pha.Dak nain pha.Dake.n

    e dil tuu
    huppii
    jaaduu lagaa_e
    huppii

    Kushiyaa.N manaa_e jaa taraa pam -2
    a.Nkhiyaa.N milaa_e jaa
    dil me.n samaa_e jaa
    apanaa banaa_e jaa
    huppii

    So what is this word “हुप्पी – huppii ?
    My research tells me that the word “Whoop-whoopee” came along in the American English language and it was mainly popularised by the Theatre writtier, actor, singer and comedian of the Broadway of New York of the late 19th century with the play called “Whopee” by Eddie Cantor who was also a contemporary of Al Jolson who sang and acted in the famous first talking and singing musical film “Jazz Singer”.

    Eddie Cantor also made musical film from the script of his play “Whoopee” that became roaring success.
    Both the actors along with many actors like Marx Bros.etc were rampant on the American stage at the turn of the 19th Century and the beginning of the Hollywood films.

    The main thrust of these artists was to create comic havoc and mayhem on the stage with music, words action and acting etc. So comedy was the king.

    During this time a lot of plays were written about love and sex. However the words about love and sex were not overtly spoken.

    Instead of those brash words soft words were used. In the Western culture if people want to go to the toilet they would say I want to go to the small room, or I want to spend a penny which was a charge for going into toilet. So it was polite, polite!

    So the word “whoopee” was invented to euphemise for “to make love” by Eddie Cantor. Down the decades it was passed down and was very common.

    Both R.K. and Naushad were aware of this word. R.K. because he grew up on the stage where English plays and actors frequented. Naushad knew it because he as a young boy in Lucknow was part of the live music makers of the silent films which invariably were bawdy and funny as they were for the soldiers in the British army.
    Shalan La

  266. SSW @ 261: Thanks a ton for the info and the link!

    AK @ 258: As far as I know, the Durga B made her entry into Hindustani Music only in the early years of the 20th century but became the Dominant Durga very soon, pushing the older Durga K into oblivion.

    Wrt your comment on your raga illiteracy, I would like to draw your attention to the sisters’ response to the 3rd question put to them in this interview of sorts of Ranjani and Gayathri, the Carnatic singing duo:

    http://www.thehindu.com/entertainment/music/ranjani-and-gayathri-answer-questions-from-readers/article18153146.ece

  269. Ashwin @254

    Sorry it was lack of understanding as well ignorance on my part.
    I thought that you were comparing songs # 4 and #5 to Hero song and Jeet hi lenge to the one that you had uploaded.
    I do not understand Raga.
    If AK calls himself illiterate I will have to invent a word for my ignorance.

  271. Mumbaikar8 @268

    Wrt your admission of illiteracy/ignorance, I would refer you to the 3rd paragraph of #265.

  272. Bhatiaji,
    Film Dharti had another repeat word Rafi-Lata duet ‘ye mausam bheega-2 hai hawa bhi jyaada-2 hai’
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huzIk509TjY

    If we look at such songs which have repeat word in the antaras, there comes to mind this unique song ‘ye kisne geet chheda’ from Meri Surat Teri Aankhen. I remember that AK had posted this song in his article on ‘mukesh’s best songs by SDB’ and Mumbaikar8 had objected to his extreme praise for this song. I could not comment on it then, but had read the comments.

    In my view this is a unique composition. The song starts with ‘ye kisne geet chheda, dil mera nache thirak-2’, the second part of the mukhda by Mukesh goes ‘ye kiski zulf bikhari, jag sara gaya mahak-2’. Repeat word at the fag end. And this trend is followed in all the antaras, which is rarely the case. The first antara is
    chori-chori, haule-haule, thandi-thandi hawa aaye
    ( a flurry of repeat words)
    kaliyon ka mukh choome, bagiya ko dulraye,
    daali-daali jaye lachak-lachak
    [what grand lyrics by Shailendra]
    And this trend of rhyming the antara end with mukhda end is present in the other two antaras too, though there are not so many repeat words there. I think this along with the great orchestra combination mesmerises me whenever I listen to this song.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV6KEzdMMHs

    Talking of Mukesh-Suman duets, there is a duet from Modern Girl composed by Ravi, ‘ye mausam rangeen sama, thehr jara o jane-jan, tera mera mera tera pyar hai to phir kaisa sharmana’. I dont know whether AK would approve it as repeat word song, but this is a rare example of the repeat words criss-crossing.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm8vztwdxsk

  275. Hans ji; @271,

    What a song sir ! ….Yeh kisne geet chheda….is an example of its kind , a rare combo of beautiful multiple repeat words and the composition that only SDB and Shailendra could have done . Truely a classic criss cross song . The other song that follows this trend is again by SDB…..yeh dil deewana hai , dil to deewana hai , deewana dil hai yeh ,dil deewana ….. . In both the songs Mukesh, Suman Kalyanpur and Rafi, Lata did equal justice to the composition that produced the desired SDB melodies.

    The other Mukesh, Suman duet…..Yeh mausam rangeen samma….is again a melody par excellence . I remember , when this film was released , K M Amladi , the film critic of The Hindustan Times , was all praise for Ravi’s this lilting melody while covering the review of the film .
    Thanks for posting and reminding the unique songs.

  276. Mumbaikar8, (269)
    You have very smartly diverted the mann topic to your advantage without answering me. I have no problem with that. You are free to do what your ‘mann’ says.

    Regarding the word faultless, I would say I know the philosophy you are talking about, but if that philosophy is to be believed then words like faultless, flawless and a number of other such words should not be there in the dictionary. Suppose two top tennis players play each other and one of them beats the other 62, 63, 63. The match report would tell us that this was a flawless performance. I hope you would understand what I want to say.

    Kindly guide me in which light should I see the video, the link for which you have provided. I would offer my comments according to that.

  277. Bhatiaji,
    Thanks for the kind words. Actually I am only supplementing you. You have already posted a host of my favourite songs which I have enjoyed. In fact, it is the duty of us readers to make the posts more enjoyable, because AK has his limitations because he has a lot to do as a blogger and has not time enough to keep posting more songs. We are thankful to him for providing us the basic dish, which we try to decorate as much as we can.

    Actually, the song ‘ye kisne geet chheda’ is not the lone song which matches the rhyme of mukhda with antara, but this is certainly special. There are other songs too. I am only sampling the trend. Readers can be on the look out for similar songs. Meanwhile, I give two more such songs.

    Gyarah Hazar Ladkiyan had a duet and a solo ‘dil ki tamanna thi masti men’ which both ended the mukhda with ‘hum bhi bahakte chalte-chalte’. Listen to the songs and find for youself how Majrooh rhymes the antaras with chalte-chalte. The special thing is that though the solo is sad and has different lyrics in the antaras, but still Majrooh the same rhyming repeat words in the first two antaras viz. malte-malte and dhalte-dhalte.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmY9aaAmXEQ
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csVpkv0bSgU

    In Chitralekha in song ‘ae ri jane na doongi’ the mukhda ends with ‘moond-moond’ and Sahir rhymes it in the antaras with ‘boond-boond’ and ‘goond-goond’
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAC8web3tHw

  278. I remembered two books on music that I bought years ago but did not read. I looked up ‘repetition’ in both. The first ‘This is your rain on music’ by David Levitin discusses it on page 167. I did not get much out of it except that amygdaloid, the seat of emotions sits next to hippocampus, the seat of memory storage and retrieval. The second book ‘The Music Instinct’ by Philip Ball discusses it in pp124-126. I will just quote one sentence “Music theorist David Huron argues that the evolutionary benefit of accurate prediction makes us predisposed to be pleased when our expectations are fulfilled. Repetition creates expectations specific to the composition or context, and when these expectations are met it binds the music into coherent and satisfying whole”. May be. I think that the unexpected has also a role in music.

  279. ‘Piyu piyu raTata papeeyara’, a bandish in Raga Lalit,;sung here by D.V.Paluskar:

    https://youtu.be/BuTZRIYl9qA

    Here’s another bandish featuring the papeehara – the well-known ‘Bole re papeeyara’ in Raga Miyan Malhar, sung by D.V.Paluskar. The opening line of the antara is ‘Huna huna kara aayi badariya’

    https://youtu.be/pbikDYuGtBA

    The badarawa and papeeyara feature in the chhota khayal bandish starting at 14:25 of this rendition of Raga Sur Malhar by Bhimsen Joshi. There are repeat words in the sthaayi as well as the antara:

    https://youtu.be/R8e4ALyi3cM

  280. Hans ji;

    Thanks for your encouragement . This surely is boosting me to bat for more of B & W songs……..

    216. Gora gora mukhada yeh ….Mukesh….Bhool na jaana [unreleased]

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBaAKfiPFE8

    217.Ban ke chakori gori….Mukesh….Hum matwale naujawan

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hI4v0TaXS_Y

    218.Yaad karoge yaad karoge…..Geeta Dutt….Do Bhai

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TN0Knh8uLlU

    219.Bachhpan ki yaad dheere dheere…..Lalita Deulkar…Shaheed

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZybe9hZ21A

    220. Kadam Kadam badaiye ja…..CR….Samadhi

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1aI46jBNmA

    ….to be contd…..

  281. Hans.
    I am not diverting any topic, all I say is that mind is a guiding force, but one cannot do all mind wants us to do because mind has no ”ankush,” at times one can’t even share what the mind wants with ANYONE. Don’t you agree?
    As per your tennis example, a game, a set or even a match can be faultless but can a career be faultless?
    Talking about career I tend to differ on that too, I think Dilip Kumar is more faultless than Rafi (you know what Rafi means to me) Dilip Kumar does not.
    I like Rafi not because but despite (I see his faults more than his worst critics) but my mann (comes to my rescue) justifies that, as his insecurities, he surely had to face them most of the time.
    It’s an interesting video, Gulzar talks about how Urdu is evolving in different parts of region with local languages’ influence. Perhaps that would add some reason to why Dilip Kumar used a particular form of Urdu. Catering to the audience!

  282. Gaddeswarupji,
    Venkataramanji had earlier mentioned (comment 218) about a study which showed songs which repeated lines and phrases were more likely to be successful. What you tell us is the theoretical explanation for the same phenomenon. You know theories are always disputable and I do not normally read such things on my own. But, when persons like both of you tell such things I enjoy them and also draw my own conclusions. I think the study referred by Venkatramanji and the theory by you mostly pertain to repetitions of composing and are less relevant to the repeat word song sets as designed by AK. Also, I think too much repetition diminishes the song’s likeability. For example, I would like to listen to a ghazal of 3 to 5 minutes duration, instead of the same being stretched by repetition to 15 or 20 minutes. There may be takers for the longer version too, but their number would be very small and they too would not be able to listen to it as many times as the shorter version.

  283. Mumbaikar8,
    Thanks for the response. I did not want to say that you diverted the topic, but just that you used it to your advantage. About the mind I would agree with you on everything except that the mind also has its own ‘ankush’. The mind of ‘mann’ or ‘dil’ or whatever you call it has its own default settings based on your experiences as well as of those around you and it stops you from doing things which are desirable but may endanger you or your honour. That is where the ‘paani’ which Raheem talked about. Another person, viz. a criminal may not have any of the ‘paani’ left and does the same things which others do not do. It all depends on the situations. There are some songs like ‘mann ko pinjare men na dalo’ or ‘dil jo bhi kahega’ or ‘dil karta’ which tell us to do whatever we like, but, there is another song which tells the philosophy about ‘mann’ closest to the acceptable. This is ‘tora man darpan kahlaye, bhale bure sare karmon ko dekhe aur dikhaye’.

    The tennis example I had given was to show that the word flawless cannot be taken in its technical form. I would explain it further to make myself clear. I had talked about two top ranked players, but suppose one top ranked player beat a 150th ranked player with the same score, then the performance would be called routine and not flawless. It all boils down to relativity. The example was given only with a limited purpose and you cannot extend it to career. My calling Rafi faultless was in the same sense. And I was not talking about his career but his personality.

    When you say Rafi means to you more than Dilip Kumar, that itself shows that Rafi had lesser faults than Dilip. I dont know in which sense you are calling Dilip faultless. To me he stepped on other people’s feet too often, which hardly ever was done by Rafi. I dont know of which faults of Rafi you are talking about and thus am in no position to comment.

    On the video I would come back when I have viewed it wholly. On Dilip Kumar’s urdu I had given the same reason ‘catering to the audience’. But, to which audience he was catering to Indian or Pakistani was the question I raised.

  284. I have not posted songs in this as per the format since long. So here I am posting 5 very popular children’s songs with repeat words.

    1. daadi amma daadi amma maan jao
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueJRRmVCBiI
    2. chal mere ghode tik tik tik
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MlVRgUutL0
    3. chhun chhun karti aayi chidiya
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsL82QnlqlM
    4. chakke pe chakka
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJMM8rnX5Kw
    5. lakdi ki kaathi
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chXKA41cec4

  285. Hand at 281, Thanks. I was fairly sure, with language problems, that I was missing the thrust of the post.

  287. Ms. Mumbaikar8 ;

    Thanks for the wishes and the oldie birth day song . Had a great fun today with my family , with cake cutting followed by lunch at the in happening place of Gurgaon……the cyber hub. The place and the ambience is the likes of States and Canada and you have best of food from california to newyork and to toronto as well. Of course Indian Asian and continental food restaurants are in plenty to go for .

    As a return gift here is rafi’s great song …..naachhe man mora magan tikla deegi deegi [repeat words] …..Meri surat teri ankhen …..SDB

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDXmkwiwYzg

  291. Ms. Mumbaikar8;
    Thanks for the lovely song from Mayur Pankh. This song was fav.of my sisters . A great nostalgia feelings.

    Kishore Sahu Shankar Jaikishan team gave us some memorable songs right from Kali Ghata to Hare Kaanch Ki Chooriyan . In between for Kamal Amrohi’s Kishore Sahu directed film….Dil Apna Preet Parai….proved a landmark achievement for Shankar Jaikishan . Hasrat And Shailendra were at their best too. Each song of this film was really a mood setter .

    Two songs from each of the films having repeat words / repeat lines…..

    Ae Jaaneman Ae Jaaneman…..Rafi ….Hare Kaanch…[ A fast number that SJ’s are known for.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlllpP-FZ1w

    Jane kahan gai , jane kahan gai….Rafi…..Dil Apna ….[ …Aaj toota hua dil ka woh saaj hai , ab wo nagme kahan sirf awaz hai……long live Shailendra ]

  295. The comment ” Downcast eyes ” ( simply sad in English )
    Vs ” jhuki jhuki si nazar “( Evokes poetry in Urdu ) brilliant . Enjoyed all the comments too .

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