Ravi and Asha Bhosle: A class combination

8 September 2019

Wishing Asha Bhosle a very happy 86th birth anniversary (b. 8 September 1933) with a guest article by Hans Jakhar

(Asha Bhosle, despite being the most recorded artiste by miles, remained the ‘other’ singer for most music directors of the Golden Era. All the accolades and the most melodious songs went to her elder sister Lata Mangeshkar. Ravi is among the rare major music directors whose ‘first’ female playback singer by choice was Asha Bhosle. In the ongoing series on Ravi it was natural that her primacy would be highlighted, and no one is better suited than Hans Jakhar to pay a tribute to her on her 86th birth anniversary with her songs for Ravi. Hans is puzzled that some of us are hesitant to count Ravi among the ‘greats’. He is not only a fan of Asha Bhosle, but he also has a deep empathy for her for having suffered the ‘Sister Tax’ in her career.

With this article Hans debuts as a guest author. I am sure the readers would not be surprised by it, the surprise is why it has taken him so long. His comments on the blog posts are full of facts, analysis and insights. Hopefully we would see more from his pen.

Hans is a B. Com and LLB, which reflects in the way he presents his arguments. After working for over 20 years in the central secretariat service in various ministries, he took voluntary retirement and now straddles between two worlds: the rural Haryana, which is his home state, and the urban metropolis of Delhi. The series on Ravi inspired him to write on his songs for Asha Bhosle, for which I am sure the readers of SoY would be grateful to him. Thanks a lot Hans – AK)

Ravi and Asha BhosleSome time back Dr Shetty made a comment to the effect that Asha Bhosle could sing all the songs Lata Mangeshkar could, and in addition she could sing many which Lata could not, so why should Asha be not called the best singer. This thought of his has stuck with me, because, I have come across many who held the same view. There were some who rated Suman Kalyanpur  the better singer. My elder sister who is four years older than me held the same view. In fact, in those days of the late 60s and early 70s, there were a number of magazines in circulation which gave stories about Lata’s manoeuvres. My sister made very angry remarks against her on that count, Suman Kalyanpur was her favourite by far. Though I was younger, I tried to cool her down. At that time I did not have much knowledge about these things and was also a bit hesitant in arguing, especially with elders, so I gave just one argument, that Lata must have special talent and because of that the composers were giving her more songs.

I never wholly agreed with the view but I was always on the lookout for material to test their various strengths. Asha Bhosle supporters – in Haryana there are a lot of them – always spoke in her favour, while Lata Mangeshkar fans vehemently opposed any such thing. Slowly though the propaganda in the magazines petered out and only Lata propaganda remained. Her opponents neither had the resources to match her nor time because most of them were busy with their homes and children. In the radio days, it was the only source for listening to songs, and since Lata had good connections, a number of her songs were played, while Asha got the space only for her extremely popular songs. Later, the record player and cassettes materialised which gave me the choice to listen to the songs I liked and then the internet revolution happened. Now my stand is that Lata is the undisputed number one. The argument that if Asha had got great songs which Lata got does not hold much water. Asha has with her behaviour after she got the number one status proved that she did not have that single-minded dedication and focus which Lata had and which sustained her music. Asha is careless to some extent.

But nobody can dispute her special talent. Lata Mangeshkar could never give the same degree of emotions in songs filled with pathos, which Asha Bhosle did effortlessly. Asha’s rendition of songs like ‘Raaton ko chori chori bole mora kangana‘, ‘Yaad tori aayi main to chham chham royi re‘, ‘Thandi thandi sawan ki phuhaar‘ etc is out of this world and Lata cannot match her. Lata rendition in classical based songs was far superior. Asha could easily modulate her voice to suit even a child’s voice. Lata’s children songs always looked like Lata songs. Asha was the master of qawwalis and she had a unmatched flair in songs with josh, due to which her Punjabi songs are quite outstanding. This  also helped her in duets where she has a clear lead over Lata, who shot herself in the foot by singing less duets with Rafi. Rafi was the best male singer, and especially suited for duets, because duets are mostly composed in romantic genre which is Rafi’s home ground. Lata has just about half of duets which Asha has with Rafi. Lata could not fill up this void with other Golden Era singers like Hemant Kumar, Mukesh and Manna Dey, who had very limited number of songs in Hindi film music. Talat Mahmood I have not included because he had a good rapport with Asha Bhosle in duets and his number with Asha was almost equal to Lata. Besides this, Asha had many memorable duets with Mahendra Kapoor, who was the favourite of pro-Asha composers like OPN, Ravi and N Datta. With Kishore Kumar also, though Lata had some of the great duets, yet Asha’s volume and rapport with him is so much better that Lata cannot come near her in the matter of duets. So overall impact wise Asha comes quite close to Lata. But, in Hindi film music the respect granted to solos is much more.

If we discuss a singer-composer relationship, it is a natural question to ask, what was the role of the composer in the singer’s career and vice versa. The Asha-Lata equation has always been the centre point in such discussions. In his biography on Asha Bhosle, Raju Bharatan declared in the beginning that he would discuss her combination with OP Nayyar, SD Burman and RD Burman only, because no other composer believed in Asha Bhosle and they called her when Lata was not available, or not affordable. While admitting that even SDB and RD did not believe in Asha, he still went on to discuss their combo with Asha. I think he was paid to give a high stature to RD in the book, he could not ignore SDB because he was RD’s father and Asha’s father-in-law and RD was also long-time assistant to SDB. He could not ignore OPN because he was the only composer in the industry who went without Lata and gave special indulgence to Asha as singer. To prove his point he referred to the interviews of Ravi and Khayyam, where they admitted Lata was their first choice. There cannot be a lie as blatant as this. I have not analysed Khayyam’s career in detail, but Ravi was the one whose first choice was always Asha, though he used Lata too in instances where producers or directors insisted on her and also for some songs independently, because he had a high regard for her as a singer. I will give here a quote from that book which will make it clear that Raju Bharatan always compromised the truth to make his point.

As Lata raised her fee to Rs 500 per song by 1953 – in an effort to catch up with ghazal king Talat Mahmood’s special rate – Chitragupta said to her: ‘Now you are beyond my reach Lataji. My producer still can afford only your 1950 fee of Rs 100 for a song’. Whereupon Lata showed her mettle by stating: ‘Just ring and tell me when you think that you have the tune for me. Any such tune by you I will still do for Rs 100.’

Now this quote means only one thing that Lata Mangeshkar was singing for Chitragupta – at least from 1950 – for Rs 100 and though she had raised her price for others to Rs 500 in 1953, she offered to Chitragupta to continue singing for Rs 100. Now most people who do not know facts would believe that because this has been the narrative spread by gossip-mongers like Bharatan. But the hard fact is that Lata did not sing a single song for Chitragupta till 1955 and he was in the business since 1946. Only after the runaway success of Tulsidas in 1954 with Rafi and Asha as his singers, Lata started singing for him in Shiv Bhakta (1955). Till then Asha Bhosle had sung more than 70 songs for Chitragupta, but he, after the success of Bhabhi (1957) with Lata,  unceremoniously put Asha out of his recoding room for four straight years. So moral of the story is don’t believe Raju Bharatan when he says that so and so person said so to me. He simply puts words in the mouth of others to suit his narrative. In fact my view is that most of his stories which he tells to be true are only based on his fertile imagination.

This analogy of Raju Bharatan is wrong also on principle. If we use this analogy for Rafi can we say that Rafi was the first choice for composers and Mukesh, Talat Mahmood or Manna Dey were used when Rafi was not available or affordable. This would not only be an insult of the singers, but also of the composers who gave us such gems by working with a variety of singers. And it would be also against truth that the producers who could hire the top composers could not hire Lata Mangeshkar. He himself gave in that book figures that SJ, LP and KA gave Asha Bhosle around 1000 songs. Was Lata refusing to sing for them, or did their paymasters not have money for her? Yet it is true that because of her special standing, she managed to get songs which were to her liking. Asha had admitted in an interview that some greatly popular songs which she had rehearsed went to Lata after Asha made a mention of the songs before her. She said she later realised that and stopped telling on her own but Lata had other means also. The story of ‘Ae mere watan ke logo‘ is well known. In addition to this Lata passed on the songs of particular type for which Asha became typed and also put narratives which labelled Asha with them. Asha could not oppose this, being a younger sister. This dilemma of Asha I call the ‘Elder Sister Tax’.

If we look at the composers, Naushad never really believed in Asha Bhosle and in the later stages he used her reluctantly, but still he being a class composer gave her some very fine songs. Asha had not much scope with Anil Biswas who had two singers Lata Mangeshkar and Meena Kapoor to cope with. Of the old-timers Asha sang in their 50s films which did not cut much ice. Only C Ramchandra, after his break up with Lata, functioned with Asha and had many great songs with her. Hemant Kumar, though having great rapport with Lata, gave Asha many great songs. N Datta was the one like OPN and Ravi who from the start preferred Asha, but he after the initial success, worked in flop movies. Yet he had some great numbers with Asha. Chitragupta started off with her, but after Lata obliged him, he was a total Lata man. SDB was the one who in the period of tiff with Lata gave Asha great numbers, solos as well as duets, and also with his special style and songs which were not influenced by the OPN mode. But after his make up with Lata, she told him which songs he would give to Asha. RD also like his father gave his best songs to Lata, but still gave great numbers to Asha too. SJ were initially all Lata but later, when they stepped out of her net, used Asha quite a lot. LP were a Lata duo from start to finish, but in their time Asha had grown to a stature of her own, so they also used her a lot. KA had always variety on their agenda, so after their initial success they did not stick with either Lata or Rafi and tried to use a variety of singers. They were the ones who used new singers too. I would not cover later composers, because I don’t know much about their music. So now we are left with OPN and Ravi, the two most important composers, in my view, in Asha’s career.

Now before comparing OPN and Ravi, I give here Asha Bhosle’s statistics for both. OPN used her vocals in 59 of the 65 films he did until 1973, when she broke off with him. In these 59 films he gave 165 solos and 149 duets, making a total of 314 songs. In all he composed 511 songs in 65 films up to 1973. Asha average per film is 5.3 and for solos it is 2.8. In all he gave her 61 percent of songs composed by him. Now for Ravi. Ravi gave a total of 342 songs to Asha, out of which 193 were solos and 149 duets, in 89 out of the 92 films in which he was the composer. In Ravi’s case, I have taken figures up to 1980 because details are available with me up to that period. The three films in which Ravi did not give Asha a song were Chirag Kahan Roshni Kahan (1959), Ghatna (1974) and Ek Mahal Ho Sapnon Ka (1975). Ghatna has only three solos out of which two were for females and EMHSK had one female solo and one male-female duet. So in these two films there was hardly any scope for Ravi to accommodate Asha. CKRK was a Goel Cinecorp film, who always used Asha from the first Ravi film Vachan. In this film Lata sang four solos, Suman Kalyanpur two and Rafi one. I don’t know what the reason was, because Suman was never the favourite of Ravi, as he gave her only one solo and three duets, besides these two solos. Since Rafi-Asha duets will be important for the discussion, it is must to give their number. OPN composed 96 Asha-Rafi duets and Ravi composed 76 duets for them. Ravi gave Rafi 134 solos while OPN gave him only 55.

For getting the representative average for Asha Bhosle with Ravi we have to calculate it for the films where Lata Mangeshkar was not singing. Lata sang for Ravi in 25 films and in those Asha had 53 songs (26 solos). So in the remaining 67 films she had 289 songs and 167 solos and her average for all songs comes to about 4.3, of which solos were about 2.5 per film. So in the average songs OPN is clear leader, and for solos he has a slightly better average.

My view is that despite OPN having better numbers, Ravi has the edge over OPN. The reason is clear. For a female singer in Hindi films, it was a must to sing a variety of songs in variety of situations whether the song was on the heroine or vamp or any other. For Asha Bhosle to come near Lata Mangeshkar she had to sing in the Lata idiom. But the problem with OPN was that he hated Lata and along with her, the Lata idiom. So he set Asha in a voice and style which was the opposite of Lata. This he made to happen slowly and without Asha knowing it. If you look at the earlier Asha songs for OPN like ‘Raat rangeeli chamke tare‘ they were sweet and normal. But, in the end her style for OPN became prominently vampish and many times he set even songs for the heroine in that style. Since this was a new style and became popular, lesser composers copied that and Asha would have become typed but for Ravi. On the other hand Ravi not only gave a variety of songs to Asha, but also presented her voice in different degrees of modulation and he took care that OPN effect did not penetrate too much in his songs. Ravi, SDB and Madan Mohan were the three MDs whose songs with Asha sound very different. There can be exceptions and aberrations, but these three mostly followed the rule.

Another need for a singer to be successful is the share in success of films. Lata Mangeshkar’s initial fame was built around films like Barsaat, Anarkali and Nagin in which she was the dominant singer. Despite there being a few flop films in which she was the main or only singer, the success of these films stayed in the public mind and the failures were forgotten. Other successful films also had prominent contribution from her. If we test OPN-Asha combo on this theory then we find that contribution of Asha’s solo songs was less prominent in OPN’s films as compared to Ravi.

This we can show through examples. OPN’s early runaway successes were in the films where Geeta Dutt and Shamshad Begum were his main female singers. The first two films where Asha Bhosle was the main female singer were Naya Daur (1957) and Tumsa Nahin Dekha (1957). In these films her contribution was in the form of duets with Rafi and solos went to Rafi. So Asha’s share was less. In next year’s hits, Howrah Bridge and Phagun, Asha had a good presence, but OPN gave a series of films in which he seemed to have an obsession with duets. The five films Phagun (1958), Do Ustad (1959), Basant (1960), Jaali Note (1960) and Ek Musafir Ek Hasina (1962) had 31 Asha-Rafi duets. And suddenly from 1962 he limited his number of films like Naushad. For four years running from 1962 to 1965, he gave a hit each year with Ek Musafir Ek Hasina, Phir Wohi Dil Laya Hoon (1963), Kashmir Ki Kali (1964) and Mere Sanam (1965). In all these fims Asha’s solo contribution was very low and it was Rafi all around. These 4 films had 15 Rafi solos, 13 Asha-Rafi duets and only 8 Asha solos out of which just 5 were kept in the films. Most of these solos were in the OPN idiom. Although there is a story that there was an OPN-Rafi fight, but on the basis of facts I have an opinion that due to Asha’s fate in these films, she started some sort of satyagraha to oust Rafi. It must be remembered that this was the time when Lata had stopped singing duets with Rafi.

In 1966 in 6 films Rafi had just 9 solos and only 10 Asha-Rafi duets. And Mahendra Kapoor had made his entry with 4 solos and one duet. In the next 2 years in 6 films, OPN gave just one solo and one duet to Rafi in one film, Humsaya (1968). After that he discarded Rafi. But Asha had made up her mind to quit him and as soon as she announced this OPN went back to Rafi, but the magic had gone and the times had changed.

As against this, have a look at Ravi’s statistics. Asha Bhosle had an important role in each of his hits barring Bharosa (1963) and Door Ki Aawaj (1964). If he gave two great solos to Rafi, ‘Itni haseen itni jawan raat‘ and ‘Ye wadiyan ye fizayen‘ in Aaj Aur Kal (1963), Asha got ‘Mujhe gale se laga lo‘ and ‘Maut kitni bhi sangdil ho’. In Gehra Daag (1963) he gave her 3 solos for 2 by Rafi. If Rafi got 2 ghazals in Kaajal (1965), Asha got ‘Tora man darpan‘ and ‘Mere bhaiyya mere anmol ratan‘. In 1966, in the two hit films, Do Badan and Phool Aur Patthar Rafi got five and Asha six solos. Besides this Asha had her big share in Gumrah and Waqt, where Rafi got only one solo. So it is clear that Ravi not only presented Asha in the Lata idiom, but he also gave her an important share in all his films. Asha had many hit songs even in those Ravi films which did not do good business, which are remembered even now. So in my opinion, Ravi was the most important composer whose share was the most in giving that status which she has now. This will be clearer after watching my song selection and also after readers post this combo’s songs. But, I would say that OPN being the duet king, he has an edge in the matter of Asha duets even over Ravi.

Now I present my selection of songs. I have selected the best and most popular songs instead of the rare, because these will present the true picture of this combo. A number of great solos have been left cooling their heels by me. But, I am sure friends in SOY will post most of them.

1. Chanda mama door ke from Vachan (1955), lyrics Prem Dhawan

This was their first hit, and coming on the heels of her ‘De di hame azadi’ (where she modulated for the male child voice so effortlessly) in the past year with Hemant Kumar, where Ravi was assisting, must have given Asha Bhosle a lot of confidence. It must be remembered that by this time Asha-OPN had done nothing of note though OPN’s intent on using her was shown clearly in Chham Chhama Chham and Baap Re Baap (155). This song has stood the time test as a top lullaby despite so much hype about Lata’s ‘Dheere se aa ja‘. It is significant that Ravi came from Lata Mangeshkar environment under his guru Hemant Kumar, close on the heels of the success of Nagin, but still used only Asha in his maiden film.

2. Bedardi more sainya from Chaudahvin Ka Chand (1960), lyrics Shakeel Badayuni

If I jump straight to a 1960 film from his 1955 debut, this should not mean that Ravi-Asha combine did not do well in between. His success with Asha-Kishore in Dilli Ka Thug (1958) is well known and he had some other songs with her which were hits. But the main problem for Ravi in his initial years as an independent composer was that he was low on confidence and was always dilly-dallying whether he should be independent or keep assisting Hemant Kumar. This dilemma made him tentative. Chaudahvin Ka Chand broke this spell. Each song of this film was a hit. Rafi had a larger share with 5 solos. Asha had 2 solos and a duet with Shamshad Begum, all very important for the story. Ravi also gave a solo to Lata Mangeshkar, ‘Badle badle mere sarkar‘. Normally, Ravi would call Lata when some higher up insisted on her, but here Guru Dutt gave him a free hand and did not even insist on Geeta Dutt. Ravi here used Lata because a different effect for the heroine was needed. Later, on the same ground he used Lata for one song in Do Badan. This mujra song I have included to show that Ravi gave a different treatment to mujra songs than other contemporary composers.

3. Gham dene wale dene ko gham beshumar de from Ghar Ki Laaj (1960), lyrics Rajendra Krishna

I have selected this song for two reasons. First is that this and ‘Ujad gaya panchhi ab tera basera‘ are odd sad songs in the otherwise fun-filled songs of the film, like ‘Lelo chudiyan‘, ‘Aisi taisi sunday ki‘, ‘Laila ki ungliyan‘Tera jhatka laga‘ and ‘Char batti ka nishan’. The second reason are the lyrics. Rajendra Krishna has woven magic here.

ग़म देने वाले देने को ग़म बेशुमार दे
सहने को साथ साथ मगर दिल हज़ार दे

कतरे को कह रहा है समंदर को पी के देख
हर रोज़ दिल पे तीर भी खा और जी के देख
हर रोज़ की ये मौत न दे एक बार दे

कुछ हादसे थे जिनको दिया ज़िंदगी का नाम
जो दिन दिया वो रात सा जो सुबह दी वो शाम
किसने कहा था तुझसे ये उजड़ी बहार दे

खुशियों को हुक्म है के न दिल में समायें वो
अश्कों पे है ये कैद न आँखों में आएं वो
हंसना नहीं तो रोने का ही इख़्तियार दे

4. Haal dil ka sunayen to kaise from Pyar Ka Sagar (1961), lyrics Prem Dhawan

This song is picturised on Meena Kumari who is married to Madan Puri, who is the elder brother of Rajendra Kumar who was lover of Meena Kumari, and is now blind. The lyrics of Dhawan are great and Asha Bhosle has brought out the dilemma of Meena Kumari perfectly. Asha had another equally great solo ‘Raat raat bhar jaag jaag kar intezar karte hain‘, and a superb duet with Rafi, ‘Mujhe pyar ki zindagi dene wale’. Although Rafi was the favourite of Ravi, Rajendra Kumar and Devendra Goel, the two solos, ‘Wafa jinse ki bewafa ho gaye‘ and ‘Sada khush rahe tu zafa karne wale‘, were given to Mukesh, and are easily among his best songs.

5. Maut kitni bhi sangdil ho magar zindagi se to meherban hogi from Aaj Aur Kal (1963), lyrics Sahir Ludhiyanavi

मौत से और कुछ मिले न मिले ज़िन्दगी से तो जान छूटेगी
मुस्कुराहट नसीब हो के न हो आंसुओं की लड़ी तो टूटेगी
हम न होंगे तो ग़म किसे होगा ख़तम हर ग़म की दास्ताँ होगी

This is the second antara, the first is equally impressive. Ever since I have known this song, it has come to mind whenever we lost some near and dear ones. Sahir’s lyrics, Ravi’s tune and Asha Bhosle’s singing have all combined to create this classic. We had a female dog who had cancer and we got her operated twice to save her, but she died at night after bravely bearing the pain and all. Waiting for the morning to bury her, we listened to this song a number of times. The lyrics were a perfect fit. Zindagi was sangdil and maut meherban to her.

6. Kaise kahoon main baat jiya ki sanwariya from Gehra Daag (1963), lyrics Shakeel Badayuni

From lullaby, mujra and sad songs we move to this soft whispering song akin to Rafi’s ‘Tumse kahun ik baat paron se halki‘. This song confirms that there is nothing Asha Bhosle could not do as a singer. There may be a dispute whether OP Ralhan was helping out his ‘saale sahab‘ or Rajendra Kumar did the honours because our Jubilee Kumar was in those days having the Midas touch, but there is no doubt that the music in the film was superb and Asha lent equal hand with Rafi in the score. Rafi with two solos and one duet and Asha with three solos and one duet were the only singers used for the six songs which all were hits. (The YT video quality is poor, therefore I am giving its audio. – AK)

7. Aaj duniya badi suhani hai from Nartaki (1963), lyrics Shakeel Badayuni

This song is picturised on Preeti Bala, who also appeared in films with the other name of Zeb Rehman. She is the part of the triangle in the story. Sunil Dutt is after Nanda who is the nartaki, but Preeti Bala is after Sunil Dutt. The occasion is her birthday. This is one of the rare piano songs when the person never leaves the piano even for a second. I have seen this film long back. Though it is now not available on the YouTube, I have a downloaded copy. About the song you can say only one thing: SWEET. Whenever this song comes to mind, I have to listen this.

8. Raat chup hai chandani madhosh hai from Ustadon Ke Ustad (1963), lyrics Asad Bhopali

A soft romantic song on the occasion of the lovers meeting in a tense situation, with the hero absconding from a false accusation of being accomplice in a dacoity. Shakila soothes Pradeep Kumar’s emotions with a song filled to the brim with sympathetic love. This was another of Ravi’s 1963 dozen of films with a horde of hit songs. Though in the film Ravi sings a couplet before the start of the Asha song, I am taking it as a solo as the song was issued as such in the records.

9. Aaj ye meri zindagi, dekho nashe men jhumti from Ye Raste Hain Pyar Ke (1963), lyrics Rajendra Krishna

Asha Bhosle’s title song, ‘Ye raaste hain pyar ke‘, in my view is every way better than this song. I have included this because this is in a different genre (sharabi/masti) and also it brings out the essence of the story of seduction and bewafai in a better way. One thing which must be noted that Ravi gave a totally different treatment to this genre than what OPN did, and this was the time when Asha had gone quite far into the OPN song domain.

10. Is tarah toda mera dil, kya mera dil dil na tha from Shehnai (1964), lyrics Rajendra Krishna

I think the sad songs by Asha Bhosle are the best in comparison to other singers, as she fills the right amount of emotions in such a song. Suraiya was the nearest in the matter of sad songs, but Asha takes the emotions to a different plane. This song is one of the absolute favourites of my wife, but don’t deduce from it that I have ever broken her heart. Actually I give a lot of credence to the judgement of persons like her, because they never care who is singing or who has written or who has composed the song. They just care about the song. In North India and particularly in rural parts a substantial number of people fall in this category. It is because of these people that Ravi’s songs became hits. His songs touched the hearts. Many stalwarts at SOY, despite being well informed, have admitted ignorance about many of the famous songs composed by Ravi. The lyrics of the song are marvellous and Asha had done full justice to the emotions. I would request friends to take note of her expression when she sings एक ठोकर ही लगाते ये तो कुछ मुश्किल न था.

11. Mere bhaiyya mere chanda mere anmol ratan from Kaajal (1965), lyrics Sahir Ludhiyanavi

This song is easily among the best in this genre. The other famous songs Lata Mangeshkar’s ‘Bhaiya mere rakhi ke bandhan ko nibhana‘ and Rafi’s ‘Rakhi dhagon ka tyohar‘ are also the top notch songs of this genre. But they focus on the tyohar and mutual relationship. But, lyrics of this song focus only on the bhaiyya and with a purpose too, because Meena Kumari was to lose her bhaiyya soon. This song and the scene following the death of Shailesh present a heart-rending effect.

12. Aage bhi jane na tu, peechhe bhi jane na tu from Waqt (1965), lyrics Sahir Ludhiyanavi

I am going by the chronological order of Ravi’s films, but this song should have been either at the top or the bottom which is the place for the best. This was a very challenging song for the lyricist, composer and singer. The lyricist was asked to write only on one theme and one thread that was this पल. Sahir remained focussed on the पल. He was to write a long song so that the sequence of events, leading to the impending murder, which was to take the story to its climax, were all accommodated during the song. Ravi composed a song for seven and a half minutes. And what did Asha Bhosle do? Ravi had asked her to present a unique voice for the song, which she did so successfully that it became a song for the ages. Events are happening in between the antaras and at the end of the last antara it culminates with the fight between Raj Kumar and Madan Puri. The lyrics are so important that I am giving them here.

आगे भी जाने न तू , पीछे भी जाने न तू
जो भी है बस यही इक पल है

अनजाने सायों का राहों में डेरा है
अनदेखी बाँहों ने हम सबको घेरा है
ये पल उजाला है बाकी अँधेरा है
ये पल गंवाना न ये पल ही तेरा है
जीने वाले सोच ले यही वक़्त है कर ले पूरी आरज़ू

इस पल के जलवों ने महफ़िल सँवारी है
इस पल की गर्मी ने धड़कन उभारी है
इस पल के होने से दुनिया हमारी है
ये पल जो देखो तो सदियों पे भारी है
जीने वाले …….

इस पल के साये में अपना ठिकाना है
इस पल के आगे की हर शै फ़साना है
कल किसने देखा है कल किसने जाना है
इस पल से पायेगा जो तुझको पाना है

13. Jab chali thandi hawa jab uthi kali ghata from Do Badan (1966), lyrics Shakeel Badayuni

The song is one of the best to convey feelings of longing for the beloved. This film was among the topmost grossers of 1966 with each song a super hit. Three Rafi solos, two Asha Bhosle solos (the other was Mat jaiyo naukaria chhod ke) and the Lata solo ‘Lo aa gayi unki yaad’. This was an era when films with tragic ending rarely succeeded, but this was an exception.

14. Zindagi men pyar karna seekh le from Phool Aur Patthar (1966), lyrics Shakeel Badayuni

This film had four Asha Bhosle and two Rafi solos and all were again hits. It goes without saying that the film was a super hit, leading to जितने मुँह उतनी बातें type of gossips about Dharmendra and Meena Kumari. This is a night club song and you can see that Asha despite being firmly settled in the OPN type of songs mould, was used by Ravi in a very different way. He made sure that there was no trace of OPN.

15. Oye oye oye main kya se ho gayi kya from Anmol Moti (1969), lyrics Rajendra Krishna

I won’t describe this song. Ravi perhaps utilized her talents honed at OPN coaching centre for once for this extremely seductive song. But even here the different Ravi touch is evident. Rajendra Krishna also wrote matching lyrics for the occasion.

16. Uljhan suljhe na, rasta soojhe na jaaun kahan from Dhund (1973), lyrics Sahir Ludhiyanavi

This film is from 1973, but I have kept the song because it shows the continuing bonding of Ravi-Asha Bhosle, and the song and the lyrics are superb. I am not good at praising a song, and the song is the last on the list, therefore enjoy it.

Acknowledgement and Disclaimer:

The song links have been embedded from the YouTube only for the listening pleasure of the music lovers. This blog claims no copyright over these, which rests with the respective owners such as Saregama India Limited and other respective owners.

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1 Arunkumar Deshmukh September 8, 2019 at 11:58 am

WOW, WOW and WOW again !
What an article and what choice of songs !
Hats off,Hans ji.
An excellent, logical and full of unbeatable points, the article is one of the best ever I have come across.
Thank you Hans ji.
Thanks, AK ji, for inviting Hans ji to write here.
Hans ji has become an addition to my list of persons of whom I am a fan.
It is indeed a very good article on Asha Bhosle.
Thanks again.
-AD

2 AK September 8, 2019 at 2:10 pm

Arunji,
I am a collateral recipient of your appreciation. Thanks a lot.

3 Hans September 8, 2019 at 3:34 pm

Arunji
I feel so proud and happy for the praise showered by you, who is one of the great achievers. I always look forward to the ‘Bank of Knowledge’ you are for guidance. I have always thought Ravi as the one composer who was the best for Asha, despite the general perception about OPN in public. I wanted to put forward this point and when I saw the Ravi series, I requested AK to let me write about this combo, which he kindly agreed. I would try to be of use in future also with good wishes of seniors like you.

Thanks again for all the encouraging words, which have gone to my heart.

4 Hans September 8, 2019 at 3:38 pm

AK
Thanks for posting my article, with a fine intro. I would try to be a deserving contributor in future also to this great blog which accepts all the varying views.

5 AK September 8, 2019 at 3:58 pm

Hans,
You are always welcome. I was known as a Lata Mangeshkar-partisan. I am sure the readers will welcome the other side, albeit with overcorrection. 🙂

6 Hans September 8, 2019 at 4:44 pm

AK
So you declare that you are not a Lata-partisan now. I am ready to face brickbats of the Lata-brigade SOY friends. 🙂

7 AK September 8, 2019 at 5:10 pm

Hans,
As a matter of fact ‘Lata Mangeshkar-partisan’ is a wrong phrase, because it assumes that anyone can be other than that :). She is a class by herself, towering above everyone else. My only complaint against her is that at a very advance age she has made a couple of inappropriate public statements. It seems she doesn’t have anyone giving the right advice that such utterances do not enhance her image. As for the gossipy stories about her prevalent during her active career, I would like to give the benefit of the doubt to her.

I am happy for Asha Bhosle Fan Club with this article. 🙂

8 S Joseph September 8, 2019 at 5:16 pm

Hans ji

I must congratulate you on your debut with such a great write-up on Ravi – Asha duo . It is clear that the information for this have their origins from your childhood days. So many aspects have been touched . You have included a lot of statistical data and analysis. And then a beautiful collection of songs – each for some strong reason . With this write-up you have reserved a place for yourself among the contributors to this blog.

One point you brought out is that Ravi treated Asha most fairly/generously for his compositions. I would like to mention that one evening we ( around 15-20 of us) had a sitting with Ravi many years ago when he demonstrated the speciality in Asha’s singing when compared to others in the line. I cannot sing and show what he showed us. Also my vocabulary is inadequate to express what Ravi demonstrated that evening .

What I want to tell you is that as a reader I would always expect something even greater in your future write-ups . Even the number of words in this write-up is certainly unusually large. For me there are a lot of new things to learn.

Keep it up.

9 Mahesh September 8, 2019 at 5:45 pm

Hans ji,

Many Thanks for this post.
The only “old” film that I saw in a theatre was Neel Kamal 1968. This movie, I saw in 1990 at Belgaum. Needless to say, I went to see the movie for its famous Rafi saab number.

However, when I came out, the song ringing in my ears was the Asha solo “Hey rom rom mein basane wale ram”. A song sung with perfect dictation and devotion.

Since then, I have been a fan of the combo and yes, they always had something different and pleasant to offer than Ravi’s own association with Lata.

Thanks.

10 N Venkataraman September 8, 2019 at 7:59 pm

Hansji,

I admire the way in which you have argued and established that Ravi was the most important composer whose share was the most in giving Asha Bhosle that status which she has now. The verdict of the Juries will be in favour of your argument. Even the few dissenters, if any, will have to appreciate the strength of your argument you have placed before us, may be even grudgingly. Simply outstanding write up and a good selection of songs.

I would listen to all the songs and go through your detail write-up again and come back if I have something to say.

11 N Venkataraman September 8, 2019 at 8:03 pm

Akji,
Your oft-mentioned, so-called “psychic powers” attributed to me, did not work this time. I failed to anticipate this pleasant surprise. I would rate this write-up as one of the best posted in SoY, simply for its excellent presentation. You have rightly said why it took him so long. Thank you Akji for introducing Hansji as our new guest-writer.

Also, I would like to thank Dr.Shetty whose comment prodded Hansji to do this write-up

12 AK September 8, 2019 at 8:13 pm

Venkataramanji,
All the thanks are obviously owed to Hans. Ravi series inspired him to write on his songs for Asha Bhosle. He must have been waiting for this combination, because he is the best for this. I was happy to host it, because an appropriate tribute for the ‘other sister’ was overdue.

13 mumbaikar8 September 8, 2019 at 8:30 pm

Hans,
Absolutely no way I can express my feeling.
I copy paste what Arunji and Venkataramanji have said.
Like Venkataramanji I will come back agian.
But for now thanks and adding one more gem of this combo no triad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX-SXxM_KGk
Chehre pe khushi chha jaati hai -Waqt-Asha-Saahir-skverma rohini

14 mumbaikar8 September 8, 2019 at 8:36 pm

AK,
Your “other sister” comment reminds me of the other sister? in tennis Serena Williams.

15 Hans September 9, 2019 at 12:12 am

Mr Joseph
Thanks for the nice encouraging words. I have a great satisfaction that my write up was useful to you. I would try to fulfil your expectations in my future articles. You are right that my post is a long one. But, the theme of the post required that. It could have been longer if I had discussed a few prominent films and songs of the combo in the write up, which is customary in such posts. But, since the post was already long, I skipped that portion. You saw that when AK posted a small write up recently, there were demands for more. His latest article is longer. He some times posts longer and at other times shorter as per requirements of the subject or just due to paucity of time. As you must have seen mostly my comments are longer. I dont want to keep anything ambiguous and have a habit of clarifying the things. I am a bit like Shalanji and Ranganji in the matter of posts.

You are the lucky person who met such a person as Ravi and listened to his talk. Mr Kelkar was another who was close to OPN. We would be happy if you could explain further in this matter on the basis of that meeting.

16 Hans September 9, 2019 at 12:27 am

Mahesh
Thanks for your praise. My first film in cinema hall was Phool Aur Patthar which I saw in 1966 when I was not even 13. In that film also there was a magical bhakti number ‘sun le pukar’ which made a great impact on me. Neel Kamal also had another great Asha solo ‘ye zindagi jo thi ab tak teri panahon men’ which was full of pathos.

17 Hans September 9, 2019 at 12:51 am

Venkataramanji
Thanks for the kind words, which are just like honey for me, providing sweet energy. I am elated that you support my argument and I would try to convince further the dissenters. Your further comments would be a boon to all the SOY friends, so I hope you find time to comment and post a few songs.

18 Hans September 9, 2019 at 12:59 am

Mumbaikar8
I knew you would like this post, because we have common likes. Your appreciation is special for me. The song you posted was great as also the solo ‘kaun aaya’, but they paled before ‘aage bhi’. In fact, after the initial gems by Manna Dey and Rafi, it was Asha who took the mantle of music on herself for the remaining part of the film, alongwith duets with Mahendra Kapoor.

This other sister Serena you talk about is a bully. She got wins against the other sister Venus, through family pressure. Just like communist countries ordered who would win when two of their country were in the finals of various sports events.

19 MAHESHCHANDRA THAKORLAL NAIK September 9, 2019 at 8:25 am

Great,Great…….very interesting,informative article………Great…..

20 AK September 9, 2019 at 8:32 am

Mr Maheshchandra Naik,
Welcome to Songs of Yore and thanks a lot for your appreciation.

21 AK September 9, 2019 at 1:15 pm

Mumbaikar8 @14,
This is not an exact parallel. In the case of Williams sisters, the elder one had her time, then age caught up with her and the ‘other sister’ became the main ‘sister’.

22 Hans September 9, 2019 at 2:18 pm

AK @ 7
There is a difference between a fan and a partisan. I am a Lata fan but not a partisan. And on whom she is towering above. She is just slightly better than Asha. And for male singers, you have in your post on twin songs said she could not better even Kishore Kumar.

Actually you have clarified the definition of partisan, by making a mountain of a mole hill by magnifying her statements which are excusable in Indian culture as a sequel to old age and turning all which she consciously did with healthy mind through her whole career as gossip stories. This is just like saying ‘main tumhen mere pita ke qatl ke liye maaf karta hoon par jab main kaam par ja raha tha to peechhe se tokne ke apshakun ke liye tum par mukadama chalaunga’. 🙂

23 Hans September 9, 2019 at 2:39 pm

AK @ 21
Have you seen the date of birth of both of them. Serena is just 1 year 3 months and 9 days younger. Venus got fed up of family interventions and became a non-serious player due to that reason. Venus was even asked to withdraw from the semi-final of Indian Wells Masters in 2001 and when Serena won that tournament she was roundly booed by spectators at the presentation ceremony. Whenever she was losing in the earlier era, Serena would start throwing tantrums and Venus will yield. You can watch old matches for evidence.

While Venus has been a calm athlete, Serena has been throwing tantrums all around. McEnroe was a better player for quite some time, but he was soundly criticised for his tantrums. But, nobody dares to criticise Serena because she would label him a misogynist and a racist.

24 ksbhatia September 9, 2019 at 4:14 pm

Hans ji;

Reading Your article …..well ….Aaj duniya baadi suhani hai…..fantastic taste in music ! What a way to be back enjoying Radio days ! Right Songs …picked up by fork ……..from a well flavored Platter. There was a time when my taste in music was following mainstream MDs…but SoY made it possible for me to look for wider varieties and for that thanks goes to AK and all other guests who contributed excellent articles as times moved on.

The greatest musical instrument given to a singer is the voice. Rafi , Asha , Lata …have been favorite of many because of their wide range of voice modulations and clarity of voice……and that makes them a winner .

All the songs you have posted are favorite of mine . I need to have some time look for songs not covered along with some rare ones too.

25 Hans September 9, 2019 at 5:26 pm

Bhatiaji
Thanks for the poetical compliments. I join you in saying that SOY has been the life line of people like us and AK has nurtured it …. dil se… I know Ravi was one of your favourites even before this series. Waiting for the flood of songs from you as well as Dr Shetty.

26 AK September 9, 2019 at 6:55 pm

Hans,
I pass your comment #23, because there are some things we have to agree to disagree with 🙂 . Apropos #24, Serena did try the ‘misogynist/racist’ jibe against the umpire when she had a meltdown in the US Open 2018 Final loss to Naomi Osaka, but the umpire was not awed. She was widely booed and criticised for her beahaviour. Since you mention John McEnroe, interestingly he came out in her support that she didn’t owe any apology to anyone.

27 S Joseph September 9, 2019 at 7:20 pm

From film ‘ Waqt ‘ ,1965,

Songs:

(1) Chehre pe Khushi Chha jaati hai

https://youtu.be/9tCjVMi5yxU

(2) Kaun aaya ki nigaahon mein Chamak jaag uthi

https://youtu.be/UdmziUpKIYE

MD : Ravi

Singer : Asha

28 Giri September 9, 2019 at 7:31 pm

Hans ji,
Congratulations on your debut on SOY with an excellent article on
Ravi-Asha combine. I am also of the opinion that Ravi played a big role in shaping up the career of Asha. In fact when I was drawn towards Ravi’s music in the sixties, I thought he was also avoiding Lata like OPN!
I also agree with you that Asha brings more emotions to the songs.
I remember your mentioning that you are working on Ravi-Shakeel combination. So I expect another article in the Ravi series.

29 R Vasudevan September 9, 2019 at 7:45 pm

Beautifully written article on Ravi-Asha combination. Chosen songs are equally good. Well done Mr Hans.

30 Shalini September 9, 2019 at 9:15 pm

A few things:

1. Asha is my favorite singer.

2. I have zero interest in the “who’s the greatest/best/most popular/cleverest/shrewdest/humblest/fairest, etc., one of all” game. Not only do I find such talk tiresome and futile, but cheap.

3. I’ve long held Ravi to be an exceptionally dull composer. The recent posts on him on SoY have reaffirmed that view.

I leave with this characteristically uninspired composition by Ravi with a characteristically sparkling Asha. 🙂

Yeh dil hai teri hi nigahon ka nishana/Sanjh Ki Bela/Ravi/Prem Dhawan/Asha Bhonsle/1980
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xwh50r

31 AK September 9, 2019 at 11:09 pm

Shalini,
Aren’t you being too harsh on Ravi? I thought the recent series on him would make many music lovers see him in a better light.

32 Hans September 9, 2019 at 11:38 pm

AK
Yes. McEnroe is such a weird person. In his heyday, I just wanted him to lose, because of his tantrums, though he had such a classy touch game. I always like cool people like Borg, Sampras or Nadal. Though now after the anger against him has subsided after his retirement, I watch his old matches and admire his game.

33 Hans September 9, 2019 at 11:44 pm

Giriji
Thanks for your good wishes and praise. We appear to be having very common views about both Asha and Ravi. I would say that Ravi did not avoid Lata, but he was such a modest person that he felt comfortable working with people who had no airs about them. My Ravi-Shakeel article is already with AK and he would post it when ever it fits in the schedule.

34 Hans September 9, 2019 at 11:45 pm

Vasudevanji
Thanks for the encouragement. I always like your frank views.

35 Hans September 10, 2019 at 12:09 am

Shalini
Thanks for your frank views and also for the Asha song from Sanjh Ki Bela, which was composed in the sanjh ki bela of his Hindi films by Ravi. The same film also had Mukesh’s ‘meri duniya ko baharon se sajaya tumne’.

If you have followed SOY regularly, you will find that there are a number of persons like Shalan Lal, Mumbaikar8, Dinesh, Subodh, SSW, a few others and also me who give their frank views and also enter into debates and still continue to have healthy respect for each other. AK himself also presents his views quite frankly, within the constraints of being the blog master. So you are welcome with your frank views on Ravi. Our only complaint might be that you dont provide us with the benefit of your views regularly.

I dont think criticising anybody can diminish the image of a celebrity, because there are lakhs and lakhs who admire him. In the most prevalent hindi film music example, we find that Rafi and KK fans are always at loggerheads but their fights did not diminish the image of any of them. So I have no problem about your views on Ravi.

Having said this, I find some contrasts in your comments. You have used the words like uninspiring and dull for one and sparkling and favourite for the other of the combo under discussion. These words in themselves contain the degrees of comparison which you hate. Also, after having declared the efforts to grant superlatives, nay even to discuss them as cheap, your formulation about Ravi of being “exceptionally dull composer” though does not contain the suffix of ‘est’, declares him to be the dullest composer.

36 dprangan September 10, 2019 at 7:27 am

Hansji
I am gobsmacked at the sheer expertise revealed in the post. Your approach in establishing your view about the superiority of Ravi/Asha combination is sheer brilliance to say the least. Heartfelt thanks for mentioning me. I usually do a fast scan like a lawyer on a brief. After repeated scanning I could follow your astute logic. If I were to ask cui bono fuerit on the post, it is the blog followers collectively. You have been efficacious in bolstering your central theme. In conclusion I have no hesitation in stating your post is a tour de force.

37 R Vasudevan September 10, 2019 at 9:50 am

Although there are many fine songs Asha has sung for Ravi including
the ones chosen by the author of this posting, I pick up these numbers.

1 saiya le gayee jiya teri pahli najar (ek phool do mali) a seductive song
2 jeene ki agar andaz hai (yeh zindagi kitni haseen hai) a pathos
3 raath raath bhi jaag khar (Pyar ka sagar) calm and composed – so
beautifully rendered.
4 Zindagi itefaq hai (Aadmi aur insaan) defies description.

38 Dr Pradeep Kumar Shetty September 10, 2019 at 2:38 pm

Hans ji,
Beautiful selection of songs, nice descriptions .
Yes, Aage bhi jaane na tu deserved to be discussed with it’s lyrics. Lovely creation: singer, lyricist, composer, the graceful lady mouthing it, the scene with almost all the major starcast of the movie… everything jelled seamlessly. My top Ravi_ Asha favourite along with Tora man darpan kehlaye ( KAAJAL), Zindagi ittefaq hai and Chandamama door ke.

I like the two other solos of Asha from AADMI AUR INSAAN…
Sahir Ludhianvi.
Zindagi ke rang kayi re Saathi re..
(The less heard ) Itni jaldi na karo Raat ka dil tootega ( clever words here!)

39 Shalan Lal September 10, 2019 at 3:03 pm

The post of Hans is as good as the songs of Asha Bhosle.

AK’s introduction is as suitable as his usual posts are explaining the Asha-Lata syndrome. This kind of relation is very human in all societies and all periods of the history. Some go very bad and some end up in the blood bath.

In their late years it seems that the hot blood is now cooled down and both are basking in the joy of their equal success.

I would not like to compare their achievements with each other. In their art they both are ultimate.

We as the lovers of their art should be forever grateful that we have good taste in music and especially the film music.

So I wish a Happy Birthday to Asha and thanks Hans that he has written a debut post and hope that he would write many other posts and give us further pleasure.
Shalan Lal

40 N Venkataraman September 10, 2019 at 4:27 pm

Hansji,
Loved the songs posted by you.
Ravi has composed many melodious songs which I am familiar with. After listening to the songs posted by you, I realized that many of them, I would not say they were new to me, but less frequently listened songs. Thanks for presenting them.

Chanda mama door ke is an eternal iconic children song. That reminds me of another song by Ravi-Prem Dhawan combo, Chal mere ghode tik tik tik.
Aage bhi jane na tu, peechhe bhi jane na tu, another evergreen song and a favourite of mine. On whom it was picturised?

Bedardi more sainya, Uljhan suljhe na, rasta soojhe na, Jab chali thandi hawa jab uthi kali ghata and Mere bhaiyya mere chanda mere are some of my favourites too.

A lesser heard solo from Dulhan (1958), lyrics S H Bihari
Dil Na Jala Gham Ko Bhula Ja,
https://gaana.com/song/dil-na-jala-gham-ko-bhool-ja?autoplay=true

41 Dr Pradeep Kumar Shetty September 10, 2019 at 4:52 pm

The veritable Rafi fest that was CHAUDHAVIN KA CHAND, 1960 had a solo each for Lata ( Badle badle mere Sarkar nazar aate hain) and Geeta Dutt ( Baalam se milan hoga) and two for Asha ( Bedardi mere Sainya , Shabnam hai kabhi sholay and the lively Dil ki kahani rang laayi hai, Allah duhayi hai duhayi hai…I don’t know why I always think of the SAHIB BIWI AUR GULAAM song Saqiya aaj mujhe neend nahin aayegi whenever I listen to Dil ki kahani…!).
There was a Asha , Shamshad Begum and chorus Qawwali , Sharma ke ye kyon pardanashi….to complete the female songs of the movie.

42 Diljot September 10, 2019 at 5:41 pm

This is the most iconic pair of all time in the history of Indian music industry no one came even inch closer to their cham

43 Hans September 11, 2019 at 10:33 am

Ranganji
And I am gobsmacked at the sheer praise by a person who is the author of some of the most popular posts on SOY. I named two veterans whose abundant energy inspires me and others. AK has told me of your eternal energy and various qualities and Shalanji’s energy is quite evident from her posts and comments.
Thanks for liking my article and also my viewpoint.

44 Hans September 11, 2019 at 11:14 am

Vasudevanji
You seem to be an Asha fan. ‘Zindagi ittefaq hai was initially in my list of 20 songs, then I cut it to 15. But then my son started Anmol Moti when I was finalising the list and I added ‘oye oye oye’. You are perfect in saying this song is beyond description. I dont know what Shalanji would say about a Marxist penning such ‘bhagyavadi’ songs like ‘waqt se din aur raat’ and ‘zindagi ittefaq hai’. And what a selection of words जुल्फ के फन को चूम ले. What a use of the phrase जुल्फ नागिन है डस लेती है. Only Sahir could do that. ‘Raat raat bhar jaag jaag kar’ in no less then the song I selected, but my selection was on the basis of the song being best suited to the story theme and showing the dilemma so beautifully expressed by Meena Kumari on the screen and Asha Bhosle in the song.

Your mention of the song from Ye Zindagi Kitni Haseen Hai, reminds me how a great music score and outstanding lyrics and singing turn to naught when a film fails. Pathos was Asha’s strong point.

As you have not given links, I am providing links to the three songs. The fourth one is a fun-filled song and if anybody wants to listen or watch can search.
1. Zindagi ittefaq hai – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5P-866nZCE
2. Raat raat bhar – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIJHOk3fIfI
3. Jeene ka agar – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_UVID3sHzQ

45 Hans September 11, 2019 at 11:50 am

Dr Shetty
Thanks for liking my post and particularly descriptions. I myself truly believe that my description of a song is not good, though I can describe song situations quite well. ‘Aage bhi’ description was mainly situation details so it turned out to be good.

About her other solos from Aadmi Aur Insan, your statement is right. My father was a fan of Sahir and he liked this song very much. I bought Aadmi aur Insaan cassette only for him. Sahir’s choice of words is always great. Here he says ज़िन्दगी कभी यकीं कभी गुमान है, but in ‘maine shayad tumhen’ he says वहम से भी जो हो नाजुक वो यकीं लगती हो in one of the antaras.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sP_q0gcVzM

Itni jaldi na karo – is one of the most seductive songs. Mumtaz was at her best in this film. What a journey she had from Dara Singh movies to vamp in mainstream cinema to the leading lady. Some of Sahir’s lyrics in the song are not perfectly to meter, but Ravi composes them into a beautiful tune. After your and Vasudevanji’s mention of her solos, I think I should have included one song from this film, because Asha had a huge role in the success of music of this film.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C0tbAaGTlY

46 Hans September 11, 2019 at 11:59 am

Shalanji
Many thanks for the nice words of encouragement which mean a lot to me. I truely believe in what you say about Lata and Asha that they were unique in their own way and we should enjoy songs of both.

When some say Lata cannot sing Asha songs or Asha cannot sing Lata songs, I say to them that is not true. Lata can sing Asha songs, but she would sing them in her own way and similarly Asha would sing Lata songs in her way. There is enough evidence to this in the songs they have sung.

47 Dr Pradeep Kumar Shetty September 11, 2019 at 11:59 am

Hans ji has mentioned DILLI KA THUG , 1958.
By far the best songs from the movie were the two diverse Asha _ Kishore duets : Ye raaten Ye mausam Nadi ka kinara ( Shailendra) & CAT cat , cat mane billi ( Majrooh Sultanpuri). I would rate Kishore’s Hum toh mohabbat kareg
and Geeta Dutt’s O Babu O Lala mausam dekho chala ( both by Majrooh) as the next best.
That leaves the three Asha solos, just average, in my opinion.
Ye bahaar Ye samaa Ye jhoomti jawaniya ,
Seekh le Babu pyar ka jaadoo ( both by S H Bihari). &
Kisiki dil lena ho ya kisiko dil dena ho ( Majrooh).

Similarly, when it comes to GUMRAH, 1963, the score rightfully belongs to Mahinder Kapoor.
I , personally consider Chalo ek baar phir se as his career best. His other solos, Aap aaye toh khayal e dil e nashaad , Aajaa aajaa re are also beautiful.
Then comes his duet with Asha, Ye hawa Ye hawa, fairly good.
The two Asha solos ( can be called as two parts of a single song) , Ek thi ladki meri saheli and Ek Pardesi door se aaya are very average ( I keep on stressing about my opinion being entirely personal.. पसंद अपनी अपनी।).
I see a Asha Bhonsle_ Usha Mangeshkar duet listed for the movie, Murga bole kukkdoo koo, which I don’t remember as ever having heard.

48 Hans September 11, 2019 at 12:51 pm

Venkataramanji
Thanks for liking the songs. I think all the songs, barring song no. 3 – which I selected for its lyrics and overall quality – were popular in their time. Some of them became gradually lesser heard, because all the radio anchors were busy giving Asha a particular type of image.

Despite listening to so many of Ravi songs, the song posted by you from Dulhan was never heard by me earlier. Thanks for posting it. OPN gave Asha a different turn in Howrah Bridge. In this Dulhan song if appears Asha came directly from OPN’s recording room and rendered it, there is so much of influence of that film on it. The lyricist SH Bihari, was also one of the favourites of OPN.

49 Hans September 11, 2019 at 12:53 pm

Diljot
You appear to be a true fan of the Asha-Ravi combination.

50 Dr Pradeep Kumar Shetty September 11, 2019 at 6:42 pm

AK ji, Hans ji,
Lata Mangeshkar did ‘ tower’ over everyone else with her superb rendition of Ae mere Dil e nadaan, tu gam se na ghabrana. … TOWER HOUSE, 1963. I feel it can be definitely counted among her best ‘ haunting’ melodies along with Aayega aayega aayega aanewala aayega, Aajaa re main toh kab se khadi is paar,Kahin deep jale kahin dil, Naina barse rimjhim rimjhim, Tu jahan jahan chalega etc.
The two version Main khushnaseeb hoon ( Mukhesh; Mukhesh, Lata) are the next best remembered songs from the movie.
Asha had three solos, and did justice to all of them.
The soft, conversational Mausam hai jawan ,Noor mein doobe hai nazare; the quintessential Asha ‘ type’ , Ho, Zara bachke shikari shikar karna and the ‘ in Geeta Dutt mould’ Ye situm kya hai banake humko deewana chale. I like the first and the third songs.
Lyrics: Asad Bhopali, all except Zara bachke shikari…

51 Dr Pradeep Kumar Shetty September 11, 2019 at 6:43 pm

The year 1962, not 1963.

52 KB September 11, 2019 at 7:59 pm

Ravi and Asha Bhosle is an ideal combination ! My favorite is Sitaron aaj to hum bhi tumhare saath jaagenge from RAAKHI. However there were several others from films like CHINA TOWN , PHOOL AUR PATHTHAR (Sheeshe se pee & Zindagi mein pyar karna seekh le ) and of course AADMI AUR INSAAN (Zindagi ittefaq hai )

53 N Venkataraman September 12, 2019 at 12:34 am

Hansji @48
I am glad that I could introduce a new Asha-Ravi song. I too felt that it was in OPN mold.
Both Howrah Bridge & Dulhan were released in the same year, 1958. Howrah Bridge was a box office hit. Dulhan did not fare that well. Of course Ravi’s Dilli ka Thug was also a blockbuster that year.

Speaking of Shamsul Huda Behari, between 1962 and 1973 he wrote songs for O P Nayyar in atleast 9 films. Pran jaye par vanchan na Jaye was, I suppose, their last film together, which was incidentally the last film where Asha and O P Nayyar worked together.

But in his early stage of his career (in the 50s) Hemant Kumar gave him a lot of songs in at least 10 films. And there are few memorable songs like Naye Chand Hoga, Na tare Rahenge .

Let me post another Asha song from the 1962 film Isi ka naam duniya hai.
Mujhko Sahara Dene Wale lyrics S H Bihari
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=122&v=SJeRy_Gx5Ts

54 Dr Pradeep Kumar Shetty September 12, 2019 at 4:32 pm

N Venkataraman ji,
The last OPN _ Asha combination, PRAAN JAAYE PAR VACHAN NA JAAYE gave us the lovely Chain se humko kabhi aap ne jeene na diya.
But, it was not OPN’s last film with H S Bihari. KHOON KA BADLA KHOON, 1978 and BIN MAA KE BACHCHE, 1980 had them working together. In fact, the entire writing department of BIN MAA KE BACHCHE ( story, screenplay, dialogues and lyrics) was handled by H S Bihari.

55 Ashwin Bhandarkar September 12, 2019 at 5:18 pm

Hansji,

I fully second Arunji’s views on your debut post. You have made your case for the acknowledgment that is long overdue to Ravi for the pivotal role that he played in Asha’s career, in a very systematic and logical manner with supporting data – a lesson to all those (me included) who have their pet theories and advance them with no cogent arguments or supporting evidence. I look forward to more article from you.

56 Ashok Kumar Tyagi September 12, 2019 at 5:27 pm

Hans bhai
My compliments on a well-reasoned and lovely post. The songs are excellent. I heard some of these songs after a long time.
About song No.12(aage bhi jaane na tu: film Waqt) I agree with your praise regarding its lyrics,music and brilliant rendition by Asha. Events are happening right through the song. Main characters in the story are seen in a state of turmoil/excitement in the song.
Presently giving a ‘viraam’ to my comment; will return shortly saying something more about ‘aage bhi jaane na tu’.
Thanks

57 N Venkataraman September 12, 2019 at 6:50 pm

Pradeepji @54
Yes, you are right and I stand corrected. Thanks.

58 Dr Pradeep Kumar Shetty September 12, 2019 at 7:43 pm

B R Chopra, Ravi, Asha Bhonsle ( and, Mahinder Kapoor) association had a great longevity… GUMRAH, 1963 to AWAM, 1987. A rarity, indeed.
Even in a film like NIKAAH with a Singing Star heroine, Ravi gave Asha a chance in the qawwali Chehra Chupa Liya kisine naqab se.
After Sahir, Hasan Kamaal was the chief lyricist for this Producer / Director _ Composer combination.

59 Hans September 12, 2019 at 8:14 pm

Dr Shetty
‘Ae mere dile nadan’ is my favourite since when I started listening and understanding music. At that time I did not know that it was written by Bihari and composed by Ravi. The lyrics are simple but inspiring and in some tricky situations in life this song has come to mind quite often. Ravi has a lot of gems with Lata which will be revealed when AK writes on this combo and that might come soon. Though Ravi liked Asha, yet he was never agenda driven like some pro-Lata composers who gave comparatively poor tunes to Asha or tried to type her image. And that is the reason, I like Ravi more, because his job was to give his best whoever was the singer. He worked hard for even the smaller producers and that was the reason his hit rate is so high.

We are also getting to know that you have a good knowledge of stats too.

60 Hans September 12, 2019 at 8:42 pm

KB
You have hit the nail on its head. This was evident from their first film Vachan. Chanda mama door ke I mentioned just because it is a very iconic song. Look at her other solos ‘jara seekh lo ankhiyo sharmana’ ‘is jahan men hamen aise jeena pada’ which are a class by themselves. But there is another song ‘wo din kidhar gaye’ which I could not include because I had to include ‘chanda mama’, otherwise it is a gem. Here is the link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1ax3sH86Fk

The song from Raakhi you mentioned is right from the top drawer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQIUA1ifZ-s&t=16s

61 Hans September 12, 2019 at 8:50 pm

Venkataramanji
SH Bihari was a very good lyricist. For Ravi also he wrote 34 songs in 7 films and was fifth ranked in lyricists who wrote for Ravi. But, this combos films could not do wonders at the box office, like OPN-Bihari films.

62 Giri September 12, 2019 at 9:50 pm

Venkatraman ji@53
S.H.Bihari was the producer of Do Badan. But he engaged Shakeel Badayuni for writing the lyrics of all the songs in the movie. All were hits. Seems to have been a large hearted person!

63 Shachindra Prasad September 12, 2019 at 11:58 pm

Hansji,
That you are an innovative thinker is established by this offbeat theme you concieved. The facts, statistics and analyzing the tough creative journey and evolution of two great artistes, Ravi and Asha Bhonsle, convincingly show how their powerful combination created a big bouquet of evergreen music. Also, the sixteen songs you selected reflect your rich, discerning taste.
Going through the narrative, one can’t say it is penned by a debutant. Obviously, SOY members would expect more in future.
There are two points upon which I wish to make my positive submission. One, the length of the theme narrative is slightly more. As you explained to Sri Joseph, when AKji wrote a small article, demand was made for more exhaustive write up. I had made that remark. And now, it is again me requesting for slight reduction of length. Two, the innuendos about Lata should have been milder. This is not because whether the charges or blames are true or untrue. In my sincere view, the Lata factor is largely extraneous to our theme – hence this plea. I am both a fan and partisan of Asha as well as Lata.
AKji, thank you for giving us another good creative writer.

64 ksbhatia September 13, 2019 at 12:12 am

Hans ji ;

Coming back after a compulsory rest .

A sound to make, a certain story to tell…….composition, performance and production get bent and molded …… to reach that creative endpoint. Dance-music outfit who defined the ambient with their high tap designed choreography…..all these and many more were the properties or rather ingredient to show- cast the best narration of Stunt and Fantasy movies of hindi cinema . Wadia movies, Basant Studio productions are well known right from silent era to the extended golden period …but not anymore. This was parallel to what Hollywood movies being produced during their times. Only difference was they had top notch heros working in stunt films !!

Fantasy and Stunt movies were made to live upon or dream on imaginations . A number of such movies of the past were in fact a great entertainer and learning lessons for art set designers as well.

I think more then dozen movies have been produced on ….Alibaba chalis chor right from 40s …with full or part of such titles. Considering these as B or C grade movies , with front bench audience in mind , the high ranked MDs were reluctant to give music to such movies , fearing their own down grading . SDB had in fact gave music to …chalis chor [ ek baba ..?]….and never again.

Ravi gave music to such fantasy film too. The songs were good and Rafi, Asha duet …kya jawan raat hai baharoan ki….was melodious and outstanding…..but by that time the front bencher’s taste shifted to romantic movies.There were three songs by Asha…..all dance numbers and here they are…

Sindbad Alibaba Alladin 1965 : Yeh Haseen Nazare Muntazir Hain : Asha Bhosle : Md Ravi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8Fwon0K94I

Aaj Hai Gulfaam – Sindbad Alibaba Aladdin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BV-xMK75ZE

MERA NAAM JINNY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOIwLGMHBWo

65 AK September 13, 2019 at 8:09 am

Shachindraji,
It feels nice that you are thanking me too. As I have said any reader who has something new to say in an informative and interesting manner is welcome to write a guest post. SoY is now a community forum. Thanks to you too, and other keen readers.

66 Hans September 13, 2019 at 3:20 pm

Ashwin
Thanks for the compliments. Credit for making this my debut post goes to AK. This topic was always in my mind, but I became more eager to write on the subject, ever since I saw Raju Bharatan’s lop-sided theory in the Asha Bhosle biography. So when AK started the series, I offered to write this to which he immediately agreed. As this was to come on 8 Sept. I prepared the Ravi-Shakeel write up and sent it to AK earlier than this one. But, he said the Asha topic is close to my heart and would be more appropriate and that he would post that as a debut post and then schedule the Ravi-Shakeel. How prophetic he was?

I would certainly try to write more. Though I try to write in the same manner, but dont expect every article to be of the same level.

67 Hans September 13, 2019 at 3:28 pm

Tyagi bhai
Thanks for you support. Actually I am overwhelmed by the love and support by friends here. In my view, the song ‘aage bhi’ though greatly popular and an all time hit, did not get its due so far as proper praise is concerned. I dont know why media persons were so scared in praising the iconic Asha Bhosle songs.

68 Hans September 13, 2019 at 4:02 pm

Sachindraji
I am very much obliged to your unqualified praise for my article and also for the selection of songs. Though the word debut is just for form’s sake. Because a person at 65 has already acquired whatever writing skills he has and most of the opinions have also settled in his mind. During govt service I had acquired a good level in writing summaries and sometimes I was asked to do that for subjects which were handled by others.

As to your points, I agree that the article is longer and I had myself realised that and because of that I curtailed the number of songs also. You might have seen that the last 3 or 4 songs have very short descriptions. But, I think for this topic and for this much arguments which were needed to oppose a well set notion, a longer article was needed. Almost half of the article is on comparison with OPN, which was a must.

On Lata, I would say that I am not only a big fan of her songs, but also have a healthy regard for her as a person. But, her actions during her career have deprived us of the variety in the female field, which we enjoyed in the male field throughout. And even prior to Lata’s gaining prominence, there was a lot of variety in the female field. I believe in frankly putting my case, but still adhere to the norms of decency. I have again read my article, but I dont find anything harsh or which could be mellowed down. If you have noticed anything which is objectionable, kindly point that out and I would try to explain or if required take that back. But, one thing is sure, that the Lata matter is not extraneous for this theme, because she has done something which had an adverse effect on careers of others. In fact, whenever any interviewer has asked about other Indian singers, she has either named some famous classical singers or Pakistani male or female singers.

69 N Venkataraman September 13, 2019 at 4:04 pm

Mumbaikarji @ 13,
Was browsing through the comments posted here.
You said ‘Like Venkataramanji I will come back again’.
Thanks for posting “Chehre pe khushi chha jaati hai” (Waqt-1965).

Posting two songs from Albeli (1955)
Tum Sang Lagi Balam Mori Ankhiyan, lyrics Ravi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=36&v=n3mFHWIbu6w

O Balma Kyun Na Karun Main Tose, lyrics Raja Mehdi Ali Khan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=162&v=2QUGkntOt5k

70 Hans September 13, 2019 at 4:16 pm

Bhatiaji
The song ‘aaj hai gulfam se bhi badhke teri shaan, alla meherban to gadha pehalwan’ is a classic in itself, with outstanding lyrics by SH Bihari with satirical intonations. Music of this film shows that Ravi never took any film lightly.

71 Hans September 13, 2019 at 9:40 pm

Dr Shetty
In your comment 58, you talked about Nikaah. BR Chopra made a heroine out of Salma Agha with that film and Ravi and Hasan Kamal made a singer out of her. Later evidence shows that she was fit for none. She had no acting skills, dialogue delivery was poor and her looks were still poorer. But her song ‘dil ke armaan aansuon men beh gaye’ has remained a classic. The main reason was her different voice. How we longed for a different voice in the 60s and 70s.

72 N Venkataraman September 14, 2019 at 12:09 am

Giriji @ 61,
It seems Do Badan (1966) was produced by Shamsul Huda Bihari’s brother under the banner J B Productions. It appears that his brother too went by the name Huda Bihari. It appears that Huda Bihari produced two more films Isi ka Naam duniya hai (1962) and Jogi (1982) under J B Productions banner. The song writer for Jogi (1982) too was Shakeel Badayuni, where as the lyrics, story & screenplay for Isi ka Naam duniya hai (1962) was written by S H Bihari.

The title credits for the movie Isi ka Naam duniya hai (1962) clearly makes the distinction. It shows Huda Bihari as the producer and gives credit to S H Bihari for lyrics, screenplay and story. His brother was instrumental in bringing S H Bihari to Bombay in 1947 from Bihar.

Yet I would seek confirmation from Arunji, Akji and Hansji.

73 N Venkataraman September 14, 2019 at 12:38 am

Hansji,
BTW, the music for all the three films, Do Badan, Isi Ka Naam Duniya Hai &, Jogi, were by Ravi.
Jogi & Sindbad Alibaba Aladdin were not in my list of Ravi films. Then the total becomes 94.
I am not posting any Ravi-Shakeel-Asha songs here, since a post on Ravi-Shakil is on the anvil. Would be looking forward to the post.

Posting another song from Isi Ka Naam Duniya (1962)
Madhuban Me Shyam Ki lyrics S H Bihari
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWP8cdny4FQ

74 ASHOK M VAISHNAV September 14, 2019 at 9:55 am

Hansji has done full justice to his core subject of Ravi- Asha Bhosle combination, by selecting their ‘most’ popular(and yet so very representative) songs, and by preceding with a very balanced factual analysis of her relationship with OPN.
His statement that Madan Mohan has used her in his own, independent of Lata and even Asha Bhosles’ the then current style, underscores the imprtance of Ravi in Asha Bhosle’s career.
(P.S. – Though strictly off-the subject, I would like to recall ‘Mohan Ki Asha ‘ @ https://harveypam.wordpress.com/2012/11/02/mohan-ki-asha/ to emphasize the point of importance of the variety in the songs for a singer’s sustained success).
With Hansji, joining the contributors club of SoY, we can look forward to more on Asha Bhosle’s songs.

75 Giri September 14, 2019 at 11:46 am

Venkatraman ji@72,
Thank you for the correction/clarification.
Yet, it appears strange that having brought his brother to the film world himself, he should give the assignment to somebody else. May be it is the influence of Ravi! (And his brother being busy with other films)

76 Dr Pradeep Kumar Shetty September 14, 2019 at 5:29 pm

SANJ KI BELA, 1980.

The credits of this , delayed in the making movie featuring Nutan, Joy Mukherjee, Rehman, Bindu, Laxmi Chaya and I S Johar show Prem Dhawan and Rahi Khanouri ( who? Nom de plume for Ravishankar Sharma? ) as the lyricists. But, some sites name Ravi himself as the lyricist for the title song by Sharda which is played with the credits.

A fairly good Asha song:
Prem Dhawan.
Ye dil hai teri hi nigahon ka nishana.
https:// youtu.be/ CtNq6485Etg

A Mukhesh song …Meri duniya ko baharon se sajaaya tumne is the third song from the movie available on the YouTube.

77 Dr Pradeep Kumar Shetty September 14, 2019 at 5:30 pm

Rahi Khanpuri.

78 Hans September 14, 2019 at 8:21 pm

Venkataramanji
Thanks for considering me as an option @72. But, I am the least option in these matters. Our Chandrayaan mission has never failed when we sent it to our star performer Arunji in all such matters. So he is the final authority. But, your description is based on the titles of the films which seems true.

So far as Ravi’s total number of films is concerned, I have given the number 92 just upto 1980. He gave music in about a dozen hindi films after that, but I do not have complete details.

The devotional song from Isi Ka Naam Duniya Hai posted by you is a gem. Such songs signify the difference between Ravi and OPN’s outlook on Asha.

79 Hans September 14, 2019 at 8:57 pm

Ashok Vaishnavji
Thanks for the nice words. Coming from such a veteran writer himself, this means a lot. I think mention of the harveypam list is very appropriate, because he was perhaps the first to mention anybody else than OPN, SDB and RDB as regards Asha. AK also acknowledged his article when he listed Asha songs with Roshan and Madan Mohan. In fact, Madan Mohan was a true professional and his class is known to all. His contribution to Asha’s repertoire is special, because he was mainly working with Lata. He gave Asha class songs even in films in which he was mainly using Lata.

80 Hans September 14, 2019 at 9:09 pm

Giriji
In the first film his brother used SH Bihari as lyricist and that film was a flop. Ravi and Shakeel were going great guns as a combo, so he also thought to take advantage of it and got a super-hit movie in return. In fact his is the best example of बहती गंगा में हाथ धोना. Another first time producer who got the benefit of this pair was OP Ralhan with super-hit movies Gehra Daag and Phool Aur Patthar. When he left Ravi for SDB for Talaash, he got a flop in return.

81 Hans September 14, 2019 at 9:15 pm

Dr Shetty
HFGK also credits Ravi for the Sharda song.

82 ksbhatia September 14, 2019 at 11:47 pm

Hans ji;

Old songs die hard . They survive as long as melody and lyrics lives. Listening to lullaby and short stories were everyone’s late night dreaming . As we grew ….Comic Books took over …..and then over to Radio Nights to sleep with…Dheere se aaja ree akheean mein .

Ravi had in his bag some of children songs….and as I remember….here is one from Radio Days…

Sapnon Ki Dor Bandhi ……Ghar Sansar 1958…..Asha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgFisKnWDtA

One more song from Ghar Sansar…..

Bhabhi kare apeel aur phir devar bane vakil……..-Ghar Sansar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRuJdoNC-w4

83 Hans September 15, 2019 at 8:37 pm

Bhatiaji
There was a very beautiful lori in Shehnai ‘pawan more angana men dhire dhire aana’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDK-2xOfS30

84 ksbhatia September 15, 2019 at 11:14 pm

Hans ji;

Yes , ‘pawan more angana men dhire dhire aana’ is a beautiful song and its composition is very different from Ravi’s own style .

Ravi’s orchestra was always soft and easy on ears . Here is one such song from Aurat ….an old movie of the late 60s.

Hame Unse Mohabbat Hai – Asha Bhosle, Aurat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diXQSGo8fzI&list=RDdiXQSGo8fzI&start_radio=1

Dance numbers, however, were easily recognizable …..

Kya Kya Najhare Dikhati Hai Ankhiyan – Asha Bhosle, Ghunghat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uStCzbYVNRg

85 ksbhatia September 15, 2019 at 11:47 pm

Hans ji;

It is interesting to note that …… every word , every line , every stanza …..and meaning thereof applies to each character present in the party scene in the song…Age bhi jaane na tu…from WAQT . Sahir’s capabilty is very much present in narration and flow of wordings ….sort of appriasal of the screenplay in a shortest way. Credit goes to cinematographer and editor sticking to the lyrics with proper camera work and cuts …catching the expressions in closeups that reads minds of each character. Simply and exceptionally beautiful.

Another Interesting feature is the presence of quite sensuous beautiful crooner singing the song on screen …..an american lady stated to be married to one Indian. Her name is Eric Lal and she was working as Air Hostess in Air India during those times…… when B R Chopra spotted her during some air flight. The titles also thanked Air India for her giving the performance. [ Eric Lal is not to be confused with another one with the same name who worked in American Ballet Dances and Operas ] .

86 S Joseph September 16, 2019 at 6:19 am

KS Bhatia ji,

I gather from internet in a post by ‘ Dustedoff ‘ – that the name of the lady on screen in a popular song from the movie ‘ WAQT ‘ you have mentioned on 15/9/2019 is ‘ Erica Lall ‘ and also that she is a North Indian. Kindly recheck.

87 Dr Pradeep Kumar Shetty September 16, 2019 at 10:46 am

Just wondering….Ab toh aankh lad chuki, baat bad chuki….CHIRAG KAHAN ROSHNI KAHAN, 1959…cries out Asha, Asha!! How or why did the song go to Suman Kalyanpur, keeping in mind she was not high on Ravi’s list.
Of course, one can never be sure why certain songs went to certain singers, unless clarified by the parties directly involved.
Raju Bharatan would ‘ know’! ( I need a naughty, winking Smiley here).

88 Dr Pradeep Kumar Shetty September 16, 2019 at 10:57 am

S Joseph ji,
The information on Erica Lall provided by ksbhatia ji is what is what is found on reliable sites….an American married to an Indian, and living in Mumbai at that time. I was almost tempted to include this fact when I wrote ‘ the graceful lady’ while discussing the song in my earlier comment.

89 Hans September 16, 2019 at 2:51 pm

S Joseph
Here is the link which tells us what Bhatiaji told. Bhatiaji perhaps could not type ‘a’ at the end of Eric which is a male christian name. So he meant Erica. I am not disputing Madhu because there is a lot of gap in information on the smaller actors who appeared in an odd scene or one or two films. Madhu might have more reliable information in this regard.
https://mrandmrs55.com/tag/erica-lal/

90 N Venkataraman September 16, 2019 at 4:29 pm

Hansji, @78
The inclusion of the 1982 film Jogi in my list was a mistake. Omission of Jogi brings down the number upto 1980 to 93. And the total number of songs for this period comes to 670. The change does not cause any impact whatsoever to the argument you have placed before us.
As per the list I have made Ravi gave music to another 13 films (82 songs) after 1980. Thus his total number of films
and songs are 106 and 752 respectively. This is just to update the figures. Here is the list of films and songs;

1. Jogi (1982) – 5 songs, Shakeel Badayuni (4), Anjum Jaipuri (1)
2. Nikaah (1982) – 6 songs, Hasan Kamal (5), Hasrat Mohani (1)
3. Mujhe Shakti Do (1984) – 6 songs, Indeevar (6)
4. Aaj Ki Awaz (1984) – 7 songs, Hasan Kamal (5), Md. Iqbal (1), Traditional 1
5. Hum Do Hamara Do (1984) – 5 songs, Hasan Kamal (5)
6. Tawaif (1985) – 7 songs, Hasan Kamal (7)
7. Dahleez (1986) – 6 songs, Hasan Kamal (6)
8. Khamosh Nigahen (1986) – 8 songs, Ravi (8)
9. Tanha Tanha (1986) – 5 songs, Ravi (5)
10. Awam (1987) – 6 songs, Hasan Kamal (6)
11. Ghar Ki Sukh (1987) – 8 songs, Ravi (8)
12. Mera Suhag (1987) – 6 songs, Ravi (6)
13. Ek Alag Mausam – 7 songs, Kaifi Azmi (5), Jaswanth Badwani (1), Ali Baba (1)

Presenting another Ravi-Asha song
Jogi Jogan Khadi Tere Dwar, lyrics Pt.Madhur, film Prabhu Ka Maya (1955)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nBn5YBJzRE

91 Dr Pradeep Kumar Shetty September 16, 2019 at 5:30 pm

SONE KE HAATH, 1973, the all Asha
album has nothing substantial to offer except the fairy popular Leilo Champa Chameli Gulab leilo….
Asha had two more solos and a duet with Usha Khanna.
Lyrics: Rajinder Krishen.

92 N Venkataraman September 16, 2019 at 6:34 pm

Asha-Ravi in Ayodhyapati (1956)
Chanda Sa Mukhda Chupa Ke, lyrics Saraswati Kumar Deepak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOo2JPJNlRQ

93 N Venkataraman September 16, 2019 at 6:34 pm

Hansji,
Sharing an interesting titbit I came across. Before working as an assistant to Hemant Kumar, Ravi was assistant music director in the film Shrimatiji (1952). There were 3 music directors in this film ;Jimmy, Basant Prakash and S Mohinder. S Mohinder provided the background music for this film besides composing one duet rendered by Hemant Kumar & Asha Bhosle.
.

94 N Venkataraman September 16, 2019 at 7:05 pm

Bhatiaji @ 64, 82, 84
One with your observation”Ravi’s orchestra was always soft and easy on ears” .
Thanks for posting those nice songs. Especially loved listening to Aaj Hai Gulfaam, Sapno Ki Dor Bandhi Palko Ka Palna, Hame Unse Mohabbat Hai . The first two songs penned by S H Bihari. As Hansji has rightly said he was a good lyricist but his films did not do well at box office.

Hansji @ 83
Another nice posting ‘pawan more angana men dhire dhire aana’. Lyrics by Rajinder krishan.

Bhatiaji, Hansji,
I think Asha-Sahir- Ravi trio came together for the first time for the film Aaj aur Kal (1963). Hansji posted the song “Maut kitni bhi sangdil ho magar zindagi se to meherban hogi” from this film. This reminds me of another song, “Teri duniya mein jeene se to behtar hai ki mar jaaye” penned by Sahir for S D Burman for the film House No.44 (1955).

I would like to post another Asha-Sahir-Ravi triad again from the film Aaj aur Kal (1963),
Mujhe Gale Laga lo, Bahut udaas Hoon Mein.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rMZhb6F7Y0

95 AK September 16, 2019 at 7:44 pm

KS Bhatiaji @85, S Joseph @86, Dr Shetty @88, Hans @89,
Aage bhi jaane na tu: The only thing we can say with certainty is that the name of the lady crooning this song on the screen was Erica Lall. This discussion ensures that we will not forget her name easily. We should be quite prepared to live with some gray areas in many information about our old film songs and minor actors. In case of major stars, too, often there is an attempt by the family and admirers to sanitise some information, and at the same time the gossip press goes overboard on the opposite side.

96 Hans September 16, 2019 at 8:57 pm

Bhatiaji @ 84
The Aurat song only signifies how sweet were the songs of this pair. Though this film did not do too well on box office, every song is a gem. So far as dance songs are concerned you cannot like others dance songs after listening to SJ songs. Ravi was not fond of dance songs. But, he composed some great mujra songs and a few bhangra songs very beautifully. One mujra song which is not well known but is a good one is from Door Ki Awaz. ‘Mohe tirchhi nazariya na maro’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a32rUVpBvuw

@85
Sahir has this capability of bringing the essence of screenplay in his songs. There was a song ‘daman men daat laga baithe’ in Dhool Ka Phool, sung by Rafi as background song. This song brought the summary of the whole story in it. This song was picturised when Rajendra Kumar was getting married to Nanda and Mala Sinha who was pregnant goes and finds the event happening. In this song also Sahir brings out what happened earlier and what is likely to happen to Mala Sinha later beautifully.

97 Hans September 16, 2019 at 9:23 pm

Dr Shetty @ 87
You are right Raju Bharatan would certainly know. He has been titled Narad Muni of hindi film music by AK himself. Let me imagine what he would write about the birth of the song.
‘One day the producer of the film Chirag Kahan Roshni Kahan came to my home. He wanted publicity for his new film. You know I have so many connections in the print media. During discussions the music of the film was also mentioned and I advised him to use Lata for Meena Kumari and for a change use Suman for Meenu Mumtaz.’ 😉

Now about the song. In my opinion Suman has sung it beautifully and she has taken the style of Geeta Dutt for the mukhda. The other song she sung in the voice of Lata and it is hard to identify unless you know Lata singing closely.

98 Hans September 16, 2019 at 9:36 pm

Venkataramanji @ 90
Great work. Now the stats are complete for Ravi. It is significant that Ravi (27) and Hasan Kamaal (34) take the lions share in the songs composed by Ravi since 1980. IMDB lists two more films ‘aulad ki khatir’ and ‘wo subah kabhi to aayegi’ in Ravi’s list. Can you confirm whether they are Ravi films or not.

@ 93,94
Good information and a great song ‘mujhe gale se laga lo’. There was also a Rafi-Asha duet with the same mukhda in the film.

99 Hans September 16, 2019 at 9:38 pm

AK
You are absolutely right. At least we know the name of the lady, which was not known at least to me till Bhatiaji mentioned that. So thanks go to Bhatiaji.

100 ksbhatia September 16, 2019 at 11:30 pm

Hans , AK, Venkatraman , Shetty , Shalan Lal ji [s];

Goal of any junior artist is to make it big . If one can point out …..one single unknown actor ……among the big ones on the screen …..then its a great achievement. Erica Lall owned this respect and dignity from many silent admirers .Her screen presence speaks loud of her self -confidence. When you are content to be simply yourself ….. don’t get compared or compete with others….and that is what Erica Lall did in this slow sway lyrical ballroom dance ….winning many hearts.

I think this is a single milestone for single appearance of an artist . What a way to go….shirley maclaine….listening ?

101 ksbhatia September 16, 2019 at 11:57 pm

Venkatraman ji, Hans Ji;

Whenever I think of Sahir’s songs for Ravi …. my mind gets diverted to Sahir’s superb songs for Jaidev and N Dutta too. They all seems to be aligned perfectly….. not settling for something fine….but for something great. Who can forget the gems like…Aurat ne janam diya mardoan ko.[ Sadhna , N Dutta ]….,TERE BACHPAN KO -LATA -SAHIR -JAIDEV- MUJHE JEENE DO…….and Aye mere dile nadan…Ravi. These have all time great shelf lives . Only mood ought to be focused . Such songs lives in the ears of beholders.

102 N Venkataraman September 17, 2019 at 6:00 pm

Hansji @ 98
The IMDB information provided by you is correct. After some difficulty I could gather some information on both the films .
Here are the links,
Title credits of the film Aulad ki Khatir (1989).
https://www.revolvy.com/page/Aulad-Ki-Khatir?stype=videos&cmd=list&cr=1&sml=hRetLITtzMY

And a poster of the film Aulad ki Khatir (1989).
https://www.osianama.com/indian-film-cinema-publicity-memorabilia/song-synopsis-booklets/aulaad-ki-khatir-1989-1104644?classification=CINE&cdt=ssb

A poster of the film Who Subah Kabhi to Aayegi (1991),
https://muvyz.com/moviepage/by283293

From the poster of Who Subah Kabhi to Aayegi (1991), it is clear that the music for the film was by Ravi and the lyrics were penned by Sameer, Arzoo Bhopali, Ravi & one more lyricst whose name I could not read. The details of the songs and the singers are not available.

The title credits of Aulad ki Khatir (1989) leaves no room for any doubt. Both the lyrics & the music were provided by Ravi. Asha Bhosle, Mahendra Kapoor, Suresh Wadkar & Anuradha Paudwal were the singers. I could not obtain the details of the songs, except for a link to one duet “Tu Bhi Tadpega Mujhe Tadapne Wale” by Asha Bhosle and Suresh Wadkar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=34&v=sPWzLCjVIPU

Incidentally Ravi’s son Ajay Shankar Sharma assisted his father in this film. Did he work in any other movie?

The total, as of now, stands at 108.

103 S Joseph September 17, 2019 at 10:10 pm

Film ‘ Aadmi aur Insaan ‘ 1969

‘ Itni jaldi na karo… ‘

Singer .. Asha

MD ….. Ravi

https://youtu.be/wdCsl2Hv7ao

104 Hans September 17, 2019 at 10:40 pm

Bhatiaji @ 100
Your mention of one performance artist brought to memory some such occurrences. The first thing came to mind was film Dosti. The lead actors of this film were rarely seen. I remember some people said that Dilip Kumar got scared of the popularity of these two and got them murdered. There is no end to speculations. The boy who played ‘langda’ was seen in small roles in some films, including Waqt. The other boy was seen in Sant Gyaneshwar and I remember to have seen him in another film. But their reputation was built only on Dosti.

Another such artist was Hemant Kumar’s daughter Ranu Mukherjee. She is known for great rendition of ‘nani teri morni ko mor le gaye’ (Masoom-1960) and also her role as daughter of Balraj Sahni and Leela Naidu in the film Anuradha (1960).

105 Hans September 17, 2019 at 10:47 pm

Venkataramanji
Thanks for the information on these two films. You are a real researcher. We hope songs and singers would also be known some day. It is significant that Asha was with Ravi till the end. I dont know anything about Ravi’s son having assisted him any where.

106 Hans September 17, 2019 at 10:48 pm

S Joseph
This song was mentioned by Dr Shetty at 38. It appears there are so many fans of this great song.

107 Dr Pradeep Kumar Shetty September 18, 2019 at 10:50 am

Hans ji, N Venkataraman ji,
The title song from AULAD KI KHATIR by Mahinder Kapoor…
https:// youtu.be/KIKPTqBr4kk

Cassette cover with the title song…
https://youtu.be/ 1qGQxZOfBsl

A clipping…
https:// youtu.be/ xozBO7oomqA

There are several other shorter clippings available.

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